WoW: Legion - Will it be good?
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What are the chances that this expansion will be good?
Are you going to try it out?
>>336211405
>Asking this question when nostalrius fanboys are still on the hunt for blizzard or retail player blood
>>336211552
>Acting like the victim again.
There's shit flinging on both sides faggot.
>>336211405
THE MOVIE WILL BE SHIT AND IM EMBARASSED THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ADVERTISED AND PEOPLE I KNOW ARE GOING TO KNOW ABOUT IT
IT LOOKS LIKE ASS AND I REFUSE TO FUCKING WATCH IT!! FUCK YOU BLIZZARD WHY DO YOU HAVE TO RUIN EVERYTHING GOOD THAT YOU CREATE
FAT DOG PICTURE
>Its the same shill WoW thread as always
>>336211405
Endgame will be less about raiding it seems due to how surumar works with telling its story, artifacts seem pretty cool albeit done by other games, class halls seem like a more social garrison 2.0 with less intrusion of dailies and time gated stuff. Not muh story on the legion itself has been shown, only know about the seperate zone stories.
>>336213587
>homestuck
Just came into this thread to say we hate you more faggot.
>>336211405
Chances are pretty low. I think it will be worth subbing for the first few months, after that though, I wouldn't count on it. For me it really comes down to how good the new 5-man system is with the -affixes, and how fun the specs are. I actually think a lot of the specs look fun this time around but you never know how fun it will be until you actually play it.
>>336211405
no, it wont.
Cataclysm fucked up the game. No one plays this shit after that idiotic expansion
>Are you going to try it out?
please don't post in blatant shill threads retards
>>336214556
By no one you mean you? Wow still has 5mil playerbase
>>336217387
Not that anon, but it will raise and then it will fall below 5 million after some time.
>>336214556
How about instead of getting upset over my opinion, you contribute meaningfully to the conversation I'm trying to facilitate? I'm not trying to fucking argue which game is best, I told you this is my first. Just because this is 4chan doesn't mean you have to be an asshole all the time.
>>336214556
A shame really, MoP was actually pretty good in the middle of it's life cycle. If not for the 14 months of SoO and the horrible daily grind at the beginning it would've been TBC tier good.
>>336211405
>What are the chances that this expansion will be good?
zero pasento
>>336222041
>MoP was actually pretty good
Nice meme
>>336211405
Now hearing some more opinions about the pristine realms and they not willing to put effort into real vanilla realms, I had the idea to have legion have a pristine realm and not a wod one. The reason for that is, nobody cares about wod anymore and certainly not leveling super low. Also wod is build to have the catch up mechanics to skip most raids. Now this is just fucked and gives no feeling of progress at all.
Now my hope is, they add the pristine servers for legion without lfr and catch up mechanics for the new raids and new zones to let people experience progressing through the game like we used to do until wotlk. This would be the only reason for me to get the expansion, if they core of the game would be about the server community and progress, as it should be. Remove all cross realms and lfr, just a server with people working their way up to beat bosses
>>336211405
Will buy, my friends still play and blackrock foundry was kinda fun so maybe one of the raids will at least be passable.
It's a shadow of what it once was, but it's still somehow more playable than a lot of the other shit out right now.
>>336211405
I told myself the only thing that'd make me go back was Demon Hunters and they did it, so I'll at least try it out.
I doubt it'll be good just because WoD was such shit and in general I like the game less as time goes on. That said, there are some features that I hope they do well, especially dungeons. If the new keystone system can really revitalize 5-man dungeon content as a decent endgame for casuals then I'd be thrilled, since I always preferred good 5-man content to raiding. But with raid difficulty tiers staying the same I'm not sure how dungeons are meant to fit in with LFR/babby normal raid modes.
The skill pruning and class changes in general also look like pure shit. So terrible I'm dropping the class I've mained since vanilla with absolutely no thought of ever picking it up again.
So, Legion looks like a mixed bag to me right now. Some promising stuff but given Blizz's recent track record with WoW it'll probably be shit in the end.
>>336223536
Normal isn't baby tier because people still constantly fail at it and LFR is 100% optional. Heroics and Mythics are the hardest they've ever been and the only thing to come close is release Sunwell.
>>336223061
I doubt pristine servers as they described them would be successful. Slower leveling worked back in vanilla primarily because leveling could be difficult and there were a number of group quests and elite mobs that forced you to seek out groups for things other than just dungeons. Slowing down the leveling experience on retail would just be boring. There are no elites, no group quests, still no need to do simple things like eat or drink between mobs or pull mobs out of groups to prevent taking on too many at once since it used to be so dangerous to do so for most classes.
>>336211405
Selling Points:
>30 new weapons
>New class
>10 more levels
>More garrisons
>CoD prestige pvp overhaul
>More year-long droughts
No chance this expansion will increase subscriber numbers, but they dont care about that anymore.
If even 1 million people buy Legion, they can justify making another expansion in 2 years.
>>336223636
LFR groups fail all the time, doesn't mean it isn't braindead ezmode.
Regardless, that's not the point I was trying to make. When you've got raids tuned for shit players and LFR tuned for a raid with half the players afk on the low end, and Heroics and Mythics on the high end, where are keystone 5-mans supposed to fit in terms of effort required/rewards gained?
>>336223793
Normal isn't tuned for shit players it's tuned for the average player. Keystones will likely fall between Normal and Heroic or Heroic level depending on the dungeon/combination.
>>336223903
The average player is shit. Always has been, always will be.
TL;DR blog ahead.
>2007
>friend lets me play wow on her acc on my computer
>after spending several hours as a blood elf mage, running down the dead scar and seeing how far I could go before I had to return to eat and heal, I got bored and quit
>2008, a year later
>get into theon retrospect, absolutely atrociouswebcomic 'Looking for Group'
>decide to play again on a trial acc
>roll a human lock, start playing
>by the time I hit the trial cap, I was hooked
>get the full game, love playing through it, doing stupid things like wearing strength/agi staves and cloaks because they had more stamina
>wrath hits at the end of the year as I'm approaching level 70
>get super into it, start learning how to do my job right, get into raiding
>eventually, roll a paladin because my guild needed more mdps/tanks
>when ICC came out, ended up joining a progression guild
>absolutely loved raiding
>cata hits
>race my friend to 85
>love the challenge of the instances until the nerfs
>still, get into raiding a bit
>but the spark dies
>come back after several months
>my guild falls apart because of a retarded GM and woman drama not relating to said GM
>change servers, start playing horde
>mop hits
>hit 90 soon after, but don't get super into it
>stop playing, come back several months later for ToT
>get into raiding, roll a disc priest and get her and my prot warrior main to raid level
>still, it's not the same
>nowex convinces me to try SW:TOR
>it's a blast, get super into it
>wow is no longer the game I loved, end up slowly playing less and less
>sub ran out in 2014
>never re-subbed
the only way I'll ever come back is if blizz actually follows through with their talks with the nost devs and releases legacy servers. I won't play legion, but I'll pay to play on BC/wrath servers.
>>336223702
Consider the following: The level 100 boost is an option for the pristine server. I agree that the leveling would take ages, but my point is that the new expansion would be played like a version of WoW that I really enjoyed without all the stuff that makes it unpersonel and meaningless. I still love the game and want to see it being good, but not in the current form
>>336223793
>>336223903
You will be able to get mythic raid gear in the dungeons
>>336217387
bro, it's probably at like 3 million now or even lower
they don't announce their subscription number considering the damage done
>>336223930
the average player doesn't care of killing a boss with 100m extra hp because names dont mean shit anymore on this shit game
Already bought the Collectors Edition and hyped because of the alpha. Kept myself in the dark, but really want to try the alpha to put some of my concerns to rest over a few class/specs I enjoy playing.
I mostly play the game now to raid. We're currently 11/13 Mythic, however it's most likely we'll end up stopping entirely because lack of attendance being an issue for two weeks straight.
People are burned out and people just don't care anymore. I don't blame them. We're tired and we just want Legion.
>tfw it ends up being really good, and the expansion that WoD should've been, but the people that felt betrayed by warlords won't bother to even try it out
>tfw they'll eventually try it towards the end of the expansion, and feel deep regret for missing it, the same way faggots that started in TBC feel regret for not starting WoW earlier
>>336211405
By golly, is it already time for another one?
I'm sure it'll have more pokeymans, and an incorporation of Hearthstone where you can play it against other players at the taverns (if that isn't already a thing,) and maybe there will be more model opdates and dances so SFM people will have some new toys for their dreadful choice in hobby.
>>336224115
nice try shill
>>336224115
I automatically like Legion because it isn't WoD.
>>336217387
>WoW
>still 5 million
Not even half. There is a reason why they stopped publising sub numbers and are giving out WoD literally for free. Hint - it's not because they have too many retards still playing.
>>336224115
don't forget to give it out for free half-way in exp shill , and i will try it out
>>336224053
Names never mattered you stupid cunt.
>>336223972
>the only way I'll ever come back is if blizz actually follows through with their talks with the nost devs and releases legacy servers
they won't. you can stop waiting.
>>336224254
Dude. Estimates put them at 5. If you've got any sort of proof otherwise I'd be intrigued.
>Are you going to try it out?
obviously :(
fuck it, resubbing now
FUCK YOU OP
>>336224401
oh well, guess my characters will forever wallow, then.
at least private servers are...almost as good.
>>336223981
It comes down to how Legion is designed. You can't take a game designed around automatic cross-server group finders and trivial solo content, remove all the automated grouping and cross-server stuff, and end up with a fun, fulfilling, social experience. The boring solo shit would still be boring solo shit.
Things in Legion would have to encourage grouping or otherwise social gameplay for the pristine server to really be what people wanted.
>>336224420
he has none. he's just a salty legacy babby.
>>336224354
congratulations at starting wow with wotlk kid
>>336224115
Sadly expansions are only fun within the first few weeks for years, when the world and dungeons and professions are actually all meaningful, since there is no progression and the next major patch will skip old content
>>336224420
>any prof
visit all cities and tell me if you see more than 200 players between cities/ashran at peak hours
or better , find a picture of highmaul / brf / hellfire entrance the day they were released
>>336224515
It isn't built around group finders, you can literally go and walk to any dungeon/raid you want in any of the expansions. It hasn't changed in that respect since Vanilla, it's just that LFG is infinitely better because sitting in Orgrimmar going PLS 1 PROT 4 DUNGEON PST ME isn't the engaging social experience you spastics make it out to be.
>>336224595
Names have literally never mattered, the hail of "wow grats" in 1 after getting a realm first isn't "names mattering".
>>336224515
Yes, and now during the alpha is still the time to give them the input, to make legion viable for the pristine experience, because wod is not. I can't post on the official forums with my unactive account, otherwise I would do it
Tell me anons. Let's say that there are still subscribers at 5 million (or maybe above, let's say that 5.6 million) that are playing WoW to this day.
How much will it rise when Legion waltzes in? And more importantly, how much the numbers will plummet down when everything Blizzard planned for the game in the patches is released?
>>336224629
>Sadly expansions are only fun within the first few weeks for years
yea, i can't wait to repeat
1 month of garrisons that don't work
2 days in a stone players must click 1 by 1
and server downtime 6 days peer weeki agree with you but that isn't going to be the case anymore after wod
>>336224662
>literally
thanks for proving to be a troll , enjoy your stay on 4chan
>he thinks theres as always been realm first announces
enjoy your stay wotlkbaby
>>336224658
Highmaul on release was pretty packed on Shadow Council.
>>336224738
Assuming 5 million players, I think 7-8 million peak at launch falling back to 6 for the majority of the expansion and down to 4-5 by the end. That sort of pattern seems to be the trend since MoP.
>>336224843
You're spouting a lot of vitriol but not giving a single example of names mattering.
>Blizzcucks will pay 49€ for this
>Blizzcucks will pay 14€/month for this
I seriously wish I made this up.
>>336225009
DELETE THIS
>>336224658
Well. Yeah. If we talk active players, 5 million might be stretching it, but they're assumed to have 5 million paying subscribers, for whatever that's worth.
Which I assume is a bit, if they don't even stress the servers or require tech support due to not actually playing.
>>336225009
Nothing wrong with that, it only gives you cosmetics stuff and doesn't isolate you from the world.
>>336225009
IT WILL BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME!
>>336225009
I can't even decipher what I'm looking at.
>>336224738
20 million at launch
>>336225146
>"come back"
>Blizzard sent me a free copy of WoD with 10 days trial
>activate it, play for a bit and get buyers remorse despite not even having paid for it
Just set up legacy realms and be done with it. This """"game"""" is beyond saving at this point
>>336225009
It's already been stated the current system isn't fleshed out and finalized.
However to confront your troll, all the follower system is for now is finding quests for you, including story quests, and scout missions.
These aren't like WoD garrison missions now.
>>336224738
Subs are lower than 4 million at this point, and even less excluding bots, chinese gold farmers and players with several accounts.
>>336225296
>i-it's just a BETA!
Is this some kind of epic falseflagging by Nostfags to make retailcucks look even more pathetic?
>>336225346
It's actually an Alpha.
can I get like a free week right now?
>>336224857
That's what I thought too, but the number at launch may be larger.
The reason it is dropping is that not only they made WoW accessible to others, but also added elements that made the game more forgiving and at some places easier.
NOT TO MENTION THE DROP IN THE STORY DEPARTMENT.
Vanilla, TBC and WoTLK weren't masterpieces, but everything after Cataclysm was awful.
I can say that the whole policy of releasing an expansion every 11-14 months is what causes WoW to become so bad.
If they released an expansion minimum every three years, put more thought into the story, professions, mechanics and so one, then the game's situation would've been much more different.
>>336225214
I don't think so. It will go above 5 million, but it won't be 20 million.
>>336225327
It's that bad? So WoW is slowly dying on life support. And it's actually Blizzard's fault.
>>336225327
>lower than 4 million
How do you arrive at that number?
>>336225263
Exactly. It's only a matter of time before they cave in and admit defeat.
They'll recoup so much money from nostolgia servers they'll be kicking themselves for not been having doing it for years.
>>336225346
-It's still alpha.
-I hate Nost.
-It's been stated several times the follower system is getting a revamp and current things are placeholders.
>>336224738
>WoD was the most hyped up Expansion ever
>10 million people come back, drop it immediately after they see what a pile of shit modern wow has become
>Literally nobody outside of the official forums and mmo-champion even cares about Legion
>only press Blizzard gets is when they shut down the 12 year old version of their game which became too successful
It's almost sad. I feel sorry for the current devs.
I'll probably dip out completely at this point. My friends will be playing it so that's a bit of a bummer not playing with them but I just don't enjoy the game anymore.
>>336217387
>No one plays this shit after that idiotic expansion
>By no one you mean you?
>I play this shit after that idiotic expansion
Yeah good one retard.
>>336225417
It's just an educated guess. Subs have been going down steadily over time and it's gotten so bad that Blizzard flat out declines to release numbers at this point so I'm only assuming the worst.
>>336225524
>It's been stated several times the follower system is getting a revamp and current things are placeholders
>game releases in two months
>"It's been stated several times the follower system is getting a revamp and current things are placeholders"
Could someone please put these Blizzcucks out of their misery? It hurts to watch.
>>336225608
They still give out numbers for investors. They just publicly don't release them anymore.
>>336225407
Rather than the fast expansion cycle, I think the largest problem facing the game right now is the slow pace of content.
They're losing players because of the huge gaps between major patches. These people get bored and don't come back.
The short expansion cycles are a symptom of the problem though. Instead of making shitty new expansions with a skeleton crew, they should be spending that time on content patches.
>>336225652
>129 days, 13 hours, 22 minutes until Legion comes out.
>two months
Nice counting.
>>336225524
Why would you hate nost? I played both retail and nost during this expansion cycle, nost is great for the year long gaps between new content. I hope blizzard really does work out things with the nost team so we can get retail legacy servers.
>>336225686
Can't really blame them. They get humiliated enough by critics and their "playerbase" already, no need to publish subscriber numbers and humilate them even further.
>>336225548
That's why I played wod for the release month, people dragged me into it and then we all lost interest, me being the first one
>>336225751
>>129 days, 13 hours, 22 minutes of doing the same fucking raid you've done for over a year in four different difficulty settings
>people actually pay for this
lmao
>>336225767
Nostfags are some of the worst people I've ever encountered online
>>336225914
>hating the game because of people who play it
ah, that's so /v/
>>336225686
At the same time they also show off their profits due the blizzard shop and I am sure tokens and character boosts are making a good amount of money. They pretty much turned it pay2win by those things and people jump on it that are still playing. So they don't really mind the low sub numbers, it just looks bad to the playerbase
>>336225767
I'll bite and say I did try Nost for about an hour. I remember commenting a lot saying, "Wow I forgot we don't have X or Y."
Vanilla was largely unfinished, unbalanced, broken, and poorly itemized gear in the first two tiers. AQ20/40 was pretty badly itemized as well. Naxx40 was probably the only raid in vanilla WoW that as itemized well.
>>336225772
Neither can I. Even did say, "never again would we wait another year for content." It'll be a year before September I think.
>>336225891
>makes incorrect statement
>gets told it's incorrect
>brings up something that is completely irrelevant to the topic
Can you see your mistake? Also the pic is wrong
>>336225993
Nost isn't a fucking game you retarded faggot
>>336225608
Well, It's not a poorly educated guess, but it seems less educated than guessing at 5.
Which is already less than what they had at the end of the first year, and little enough to not want to talk about it.
>>336211405
They were literally holding onto demon hunters until their subs dipped. This should tell you everything you need to know, that they're not interested in making a good game anymore and only interested in sensationalism to make a quick buck. I guarantee if their subs keep dropping their next expansion will involve something else like an Ogre playable race, but if their subs miraculously go up they will hold off on the popular shit to bring us more orc stories.
>>336226012
I completely understand the statement that playing nost felt like playing a game from 2002. I just think the appropriate response to not really feeling it is indifference rather than seething hatred.
>>336226072
>semantics
that's pretty /v/ too
>>336226108
>They were literally holding onto demon hunters until their subs dipped. This should tell you everything you need to know
Source: your ass
>>336225891
Most people will use the month before Legion comes out, the pre-patch, to test things out. Don't be surprised if there is a small surge in players coming back during pre-patch to get things done.
>people pay for this
It's almost as if people enjoy doing things that you don't enjoy doing, anon. Some people have just started to come back for their own personal reasons.
>>336226108
>They were literally holding onto demon hunters until their subs dipped.
Blizzard did say they wanted to add Demon Hunters in BC.
>>336225545
It will bite Blizzard in the arse one day. And it will be so hard that even their most ardent fans will be leaving them one by one.
At this point they should think of a contingency plan if WoW fails.
They should really go and start re-focusing their resources on the games that made them famous as well as on Overwatch.
On the other hand I think re-focusing resources on their old franchises (the RTS WarCraft, StarCraft and Diablo) is a bad thing due to how they screwed up the latter two and how they'd screw up the first one if they tried to make a WarCraft IV. So Overwatch is what is left for them.
>>336225702
This. Frequent patches and slow expansion cycle with an actual crew doing it is what this game needs again.
>>336225914
Same here.
>nice thread about Legion
>talking about Order Hall missions, bull prepping, Demon Hunters and black breeding
>suddenly Nostcucks show up and shit up the thread
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
WE MUST STOP THEM, BLIZZBROS
>>336226163
People have been wanting demon hunters for years, it was a guaranteed way to make cash, so of course they held onto it until they needed it.
>>336226229
>At this point they should think of a contingency plan if WoW fails.
Hearthstone has already brought them a very large fanbase and they've made quite a large chunk of change.
Overwatch is looking decent and they've already got planned e-sports coverage for it, including competitive teams and other little things.
>>336226284
Trying to hard to be funny
>>336226354
Nah it was worth a chuckle.
Already preordered but I'm a little annoyed at the stupid shit they're adding.
I still think it will be better than MoP, WoD and Cata.
>>336226229
> Frequent patches and slow expansion cycle with an actual crew doing it is what this game needs again.
To be fair to Blizzard, most of the original team that worked on the game have moved on. They're training the new guys, or they were, to learn how to use the 10 year old engine.
I imagine it's a farcry from what they were taught.
>>336226229
>At this point they should think of a contingency plan if WoW fails.
I honestly think they're letting WoW die out on purpose with the hopes that people will migrate to their newer games. The profit/cost ratio for something like Hearthstone far outweighs the amount of players they will lose in the process, it makes good business sense if they can get even half of their players to swap to new games and let WoW die.
>>336225406
pls
>>336226543
Blizzard did say 10 more years of Warcraft. They're trying to invite players back through the movie, and Legion.
Give them a fair chance and perhaps they'll (slightly) bounce back.
>>336211405
I'm going to get it, I've played every expansion and enjoyed something from every single one to an extent. If nothing else ill have something to play with my friends for a while.
>>336226729
I dunno. I'm unfazed by the negativity and trolling but I have no friends to play WoW with anymore.
>>336226816
That's unfortunate, i have at least 4 friends including my brother who will play. I have relatively high hopes for legion it looks like they're doing a lot of things right and they've done some satisfying class changes from what i've tried in the alpha
>>336226479
You can always cancel your preorder before its too late.
>>336226351
Yeah, but will the contents for them be satisfying in the future? Or will these games also share the curse that is plaguing WoW?
>>336226526
That's a pity here then. Though still the whole frequent expansion thing is not justified in this case.
>>336226543
As I mentioned, but will the content for it be satisfying in the future? Will it too share the same curse as WoW?
I don't know the future, but they should really slow down a little and think how to do thinks more thoroughly.
>>336226663
If they'll do so with the level of writing they showed after WoTLK, not to mention with making the game more forgiving and easier to level and get stuff, then WoW will be dead next year or in 2018/19.
>>336226729
>I'm buying it because I've bought every other expansion
This. But I'm not happy about it.
>>336226729
This. I'm pretty unfazed with the negative press and various other bits and the game has its own merits.
Plus I can't see myself playing another MMO since Wildstar shit the bed after a month of launch, and F2P hasn't saved it.
FFXIV upgraded to Asian tiers of grinding. Maybe not on par with XI grinding, but it's getting somewhat close.
>>336226969
>Yeah, but will the contents for them be satisfying in the future? Or will these games also share the curse that is plaguing WoW?
Considering how often they churn out expansions for Hearthstone, yeah. But the thing is, more cards = harder to balance shit. Look at Magic: The Gathering.
>That's a pity here then. Though still the whole frequent expansion thing is not justified in this case.
True. You'd think the "BIGGEST TEAM YET" would churn out things a little faster. Don't forget they spent six months of WoD alpha training the new blood.
>If they'll do so with the level of writing they showed after WoTLK, not to mention with making the game more forgiving and easier to level and get stuff, then WoW will be dead next year or in 2018/19.
All they'd have to do is follow the lore, not shit up the writing, and make it decent. So far things in-game have their own purpose. I've watched bits and pieces of the alpha and the writing doesn't look like shit. Passable? Yes. But not shit.
>>336211405
>What are the chances that this expansion will be good?
Well I would just say "LMAO >LEGION >GOOD >MODERN BLIZZARD HAHAHAHHA" but let me go into detail.
Every expansion after WOTLK has suffered from quality problems all round. Whether it be the poorly written storyline, the poorly designed end game content, or the fact that they now rather develop more paid shop content and leave the actual game baron of anything to do.
Cata and WoD are the 2 worst expansions ever made. WoD is complete and utter gutter tier garbage in every respect. A complete joke. Devs seem to not care about this and still act like smug, high horse riding faggots.
Legion is for me, their last chance. If they fuck up again, I will literally delete my characters and quit.
Why do people even want Vanilla back?
>shit bugs
>shit leveling
>shit class balance
>using the latest modded ui and checking your wow database for best vanilla armor
>you will never experience WoW for the first time ever again
>>336227004
I'm not buying it for that reason, like I said at the very least I'll get a few weeks of entertainment out of it and that's good enough for me
Also I don't have to pay for any of it because of being related to a blizzard employee privilege.
>>336227167
the way I see it WoW can't get much worse. I've played since the beginning of Vanilla and I can honestly say WoD is the worst expansion in my opinion.
>>336226816
>no friends to play WoW with anymore
My wife's bull and her son play on Kronos2. I considered playing with them, but I fear vanilla wow would not fit my current lifestyle.
Is there any info if pristine servers will be a thing for legion? If they have it for the next expansion, I would be in. Playing vanilla and tbc for the past years does get boring and I want to see the game being good again. Everyone else can play their shitty lfr and and lfd with anonymous people, if I get a server where I can play as the game is supposed to be played like
>>336225993
You gotta love it.
>>336226085
Yeah I'm a bit of a pessimist. Especially in the scope of recent trends.
Morning cup of coffee bump
youtube.com/watch?v=Do5s0MQvF9s&ab_channel=Wowmusicable
>>336227206
t.druid/paladin cuck player
>>336227263
>WoD/Legion
>pristine
>game being good again
Am I getting memed or what
>>336227206
its fucking awful to see blizzard listening to the "WE WANT VANILLA WAAAA" faggots, but ignore and delete posts when actual criticisms is posted about
>lack of legion content
>island removed from legion
>ability pruning concerns
>pvp conerns (no new bgs, arenas, could've changed)
>LEGION GARRISONS, WTF
Blizzard don't listen to ANY customer mass hysteria complaints which are upvoted by the thousands.
They are a joke.
>mfw this guy is in charge and people still think it will be good
>>336227231
>Kronos2
Did they open a new realm recently?
>>336217387
that 5 mil number has dropped significantly that number is accurate from about a little over a year ago.
The only thing we know for sure is that it is significantly less.
But yeah i'd argue that even if there were 5 mil, that specific group of 5 mil might as well be nobodys considering they are the very same casual cancer cell cuck trash that fueled this problem in the first place.
Essentially, their votes are irrelevant because their existence is cancerous.
>>336227231
>"waah no friends"
>>"My wife's bull and her son"
Have you ever thought it's because people don't want to be associated in your world of debauched autism and shit?
>>336227218
>the way I see it WoW can't get much worse. I've played since the beginning of Vanilla and I can honestly say WoD is the worst expansion in my opinion.
Can't argue with that. WoD has been nothing but a disappointment. I'm at least hyped for Legion for all the right reasons. I even downloaded the sandbox of the alpha to look around and I'm quite impressed.
>>336227206
In spite all of that it's still better than the shit we have now.
>>336227352
>but ignore and delete posts when actual criticisms is posted about
Despite what you may think - the people working at Blizzard aren't completly retarded. They know damn well Legion is already a lost cause so why the fuck should they bother?
>>336227370
yes, because queue in the original server was too large
it's called Kronos 2, and there's always fucking queue
>>336211405
>What are the chances that this expansion will be good?
0.1%
>Are you going to try it out?
No because I don't want to be part of their "We can live off the subscriber spike at the beginning of the expansion and not make any content for the rest of it" statistic.
>>336227348
No, I don't care about the leveling, but the new expansion without catch up mechanics to skip raids to have actual progress and a server community are the main flaws and pristine would fix it. Obviously nobody cares for it for wod, but the next expansion
>>336227352
>>island removed from legion
Future content for a patch most likely.
>ability pruning concerns
I'll take an ability that gives me five options over one ability that gives me one option.
>Legion garrisons
Considering they aren't garrisons and you aren't really rewarded through the garrison mission list anymore in Legion, this is kinda laughably silly.
>>336227370
Yeah, they did. Probably a third one soon because literally nobody wants to play vanilla so the server gets flooded with people who just want to proof the bros on the official forums "wrong". Hell, they even level to 60 and raid just to spite my fellow Blizzbros.
That's some real dedication.
>>336225545
>nobody outside of the official forums and mmo-champion even cares about Legion
Why are people so delusional about WoW in 2016? Do you honestly think this will sell less than 7-8 million?
>>336227454
>They know damn well Legion is already a lost cause so why the fuck should they bother?
I'd love some solid proof of this, otherwise you're just trolling.
>>336213374
>they are on the hunt
>they are acting like the victim
>>336227569
forgot my picture
>>336227639
>Do you honestly think this will sell less than 7-8 million?
At this point? Yes. Probably around 5.
>>336217387
That was true like 9 months ago or whatever. Before that the sub count had dropped by 1.5 million in 3 months.
>>336227781
I'm honestly curious how much WoW will bounce back with the new expansion. Every pre-patch there's usually a large surge of people coming to test the new content.
A lot usually head over to the PTR first since Pre-Legion patch class changes are added onto the PTR before live.
>>336227865
WoD had the biggest spike yet, but I also imagine it had the most people leaving completely disheartened. I would be surprised if it was as big this time, but of course we wont know because they've stopped reporting numbers in their quarterly earnings reports.
>>336225296
Seriously at this point how can they be trusted with a "oh it's just beta" thing? I'm still waiting for what zone is going to be cut before release because "we're training a lot of new people and we can't get them to take their thumbs out of each other asses yet."
>>336225118
>Nothing wrong with that.
>>336227167
>Considering how often they churn out expansions for Hearthstone, yeah. But the thing is, more cards = harder to balance shit. Look at Magic: The Gathering.
Yep. Too much content can cause balancing issues.
>True. You'd think the "BIGGEST TEAM YET" would churn out things a little faster. Don't forget they spent six months of WoD alpha training the new blood.
Agreed here with new bloods. On the other hand they could've spent nine months on alpha training and overall making the game more polished and better working. Then again...frequent expansion release and shit.
>All they'd have to do is follow the lore, not shit up the writing, and make it decent. So far things in-game have their own purpose. I've watched bits and pieces of the alpha and the writing doesn't look like shit. Passable? Yes. But not shit.
The actual problem is pulling off ridiculous things like making Thrall a Green Jesus, everyone doing at one point stupid things or making characters undergo bad development like they did with Garrosh. If they put more effort into his character, Garro would've been quite likeable, yet due to the idiocy of Thrall and other bullshit...you can see where I am going.
At this point Blizzard should do what Disney did with the expanded universe of Star Wars, retcon WoW and everything that appeared after WCIII and TFT, and carefully and slowly make WCIV with none of the bullshit modern WoW presented. I wouldn't be angry if they included Draenei, instead of calling them Draenei they could call them Pure Eredar while the word Draenei would be reserved for those in Outland. I wouldn't be even angry if they included characters from WoW like Garrosh, but as long as they make them well done and fleshed out.
But knowing Neo-Blizzard, they'd prioritize profit over anything else. It's not wrong to aim for profit, but they should also try to put more effort in the quality of their products.
>>336227934
Calling it now that if it spikes up to pre-draenor levels, they will report the spike, then go back to not reporting when it plummets.
>>336211405
>followers are back as well as some shitty research thing that takes weeks at a time
>using the same weapons for the entire expansion
Don't think so senpai
>>336228002
They've added all the zones into the game currently, complete with world quests, campaign quests, and storyline. I don't think they'll remove anything else. To be fair, they did remove that giant island on the south east portion of the map, but I'd safely chalk that up to them experimenting since it was very early alpha when it appeared and disappeared.
>>336228098
>Yep. Too much content can cause balancing issues.
No comment. Just agreement.
>Agreed here with new bloods. On the other hand they could've spent nine months on alpha training and overall making the game more polished and better working. Then again...frequent expansion release and shit.
Let actions speak for themselves. If Legion is fun, then they did a good job. Hopefully after the last content patch in Legion is release, they'll have already developed a good bit of foundation for the next expansion, if any.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBBxm3yTr0&ab_channel=CinelleTV
>Draenor promised the world and was the worst expansion to date
Lost the last of my faith with Draenor desu senpai.
>expanding on Garrisons
>EVERYONE GETS AN ASHBRINGER
>further homogenization of classes
Nope nope nope never falling for this shit again. Nope.
>>336228414
See you at Legion.
Riddle me this: if the subscription money is supposed to pay for new content, why do expansions cost additional money?
>>336228473
Because
>>336228473
Because bobby kotick has to pay for the gold plates in his swimming pool, theyre not cheap man
>Everquest Next cancelled
>Dark Age of Camelot reboot was kickstarted
I'm doomed to suffer through WoW or stupid chink shit with gender-locked classes.
>What are the chances that this expansion will be good?
eh, probably not high
>Are you going to try it out?
I don't know. I've tried every previous expansion even when I said I wouldn't. My friends and I all go in together, and then we drop out one by one faster with each expansion. I might be done with WoW for good. I'd have been playing it nearly 12 years by the time Legion comes out, so I had more than a good run.
>>336213485
depressing to think that people who have never touched Warcraft let alone wow will watch the movie and talk about it
>>336228262
>If Legion is fun, then they did a good job.
And here is the first big thing. IF. THE IF PART.
I'm actually happy they finally added Demon Hunters as a hero class. I'm happy that now something big is going on, but with the whole everyone getting cool weapons like Ashbringer copies and making classes less distinct is something that can actually make people feel to some point betrayed.
Hell, the simplification of the stats thing is already atrocious.
Also the writing and lore. There are people that also play games for the story and lore bits, there are people that play for the sake of challenge and mechanics, and there are those who do both.
Neglecting any of these via butchering or simplifying is what can kill a game at one point. Seriously see what they did to the factions.
Horde gets more focus than the Alliance yet after what happened in Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria, people feel like they butchered the faction. And the Alliance doesn't get this much focus and even Horde players have enough of Horde stuff. This is also important to remember. Too much focus on one thing and neglecting the others is what can make a game to slowly die out.
Why the fuck are they just giving Ashbringer to everyone now? How could they fuck up so bad? If they wanted to include Ashbringer there's so many cooler ways they could have done it.
>>336228067
the garrisons were not inherently bad. the problem with WoD was a lack of outdoor content and this has been addressed in Legion with literally hundreds of world quests at max level. why do people not understand this? even just seeing the image fucking triggers them, lmao pathetic
>>336229067
>the garrisons were not inherently bad.
An isolated instanced area for facebook games and chores is inherently bad
>>336229061
It's a vain attempt to try and entice people to come back to the game by offering them shiny new shit in orange letters.
>>336227304
t. epic meme rogue ganker
>>336229061
I think the legendary weapons should have been reserved for high end raiding, it would have given something people to strive for
>>336229067
I think it's a massive sin for the garrison to be involved in what you do so much. From Point A to Point B, there's always your garrison between Point A and B.
It's somewhat annoying.
At least in Legion things look a lot better, and you can see other players in your class hall.
>>336229368
But it's not fair if not everyone can get it!
>>336229273
This.
>>336229067
WoD had plenty of outdoor content, it was just executed abysmally and nobody liked it - just like what will happen in Legion because Blizzard is too focused on making mini games and cellphone apps instead of actually improving the existing game.
>>336229412
A legendary was never earned by a single person, it's a raid or guild effort. I mean at least they learned that handing out a legendary at the very end of an expansion like the sunwell bow is really pointless, because all content was done at this point.
>>336229494
>WoD had plenty of outdoor content
not really. for a long time you just had the daily apexis grind quest and maybe the option to farm garrison resources. the garrison campaign quests were easy as fuck and artificially spread out, and they didn't give you any worthwhile rewards. there was literally nothing decent to do other than raid or level up alts. tanaan didn't help either since it was just more zone grinding with more apexis shit which only gave you crappy catch up gear which was actually worse than LFR shit. a lack of cool, meaningful things to do was a gigantic problem for this expansion and luckily that's been addressed.
>>336229273
there's nothing wrong with it as long as it doesn't play the game for you (which it did in WoD but it won't in Legion since you have to farm resources yourself and the order hall missions are only good for tiny amounts of gold and other fairly meaningless shit; the focus of your efforts will be out in the world). Watcher said the OH missions are like 3% of what you do at max level, it's just something you occasionally check on and then forget until next time you're there. in WoD it was like 90% of max level focus.
>>336225891
this time they will do only one raid cut in 3 patches
>>336228215
yeah because feeling useless until you get your BiS weapon is so much fun just to go through the process again of fighting your teammates over the most important item slot in the game every tier
What the fuck is the Warcraft film even doing?
>>336211405
The game is going to be shit and i'm going to play it anyway just in case I enjoy it regardless
>>336227363
This guy terrifies the hell out of me and I hope to god all his terrible decisions don't make it to live
"Hey this is terrible, I feel weak and can't tank well"
"You can't, but you can"
>>336211405
No
It went from being focussed on the WORLD of Warcraft to the GAME "World of Warcraft" - that is what killed it.
That and there was no real story after Arthas' death
>>336230506
Patch of WoW
>>336229412
There has to be some middle ground between literal welfare and only being available to nolifers
>>336230942
Why?
>>336230990
Its needs to be feasibly obtainable for it to provide an incentive, but not too easily obtainable for it to lose all value
>>336231063
Isn't that what Epic gear was supposed to be?
>>336230990
because not everyone has the same taste as you, believe it or not.
>>336211405
I don't know what all the whining is about, WoD blows but Legion looks pretty awesome. For once, even the changes to classes look like improvements, and they're listening to fans; they gave marksman hunters their pets back and still streamlined their design.
>>336230286
So casual I can't handle it.
You people are what ruined the mmorpg genre.
The point is that having the best in slot IS something special, something you worked for.
It's like logging in runescape and having all lvl 99 stats, what's the point of playing besides for some ERP
>>336211552
Oh yeah.
So how did the guy respond to the petition?
>>336231329
Why are you mad?
Why can't the nolifers have something for themselves?
Why must it always be taken and given to the masses?
>>336231782
you still have to roll for relic slots that make your weapon stronger, it's not like the weapon is completely forgotten in the loot table, not to mention trinkets and tier sets are still potentially game-changing so those are things you still have to compete for.
and besides, most of it isn't merit-based. high end guilds use loot council and just give the items to whomever they feel would be able to benefit the raid the most with it, not to mention nepotism is still a thing that plagues most raids.
i can't even tell what someone like you actually wants from a game like this. you'll probably say "for gear to matter again" and it does when it comes to min-maxing. the artifact weapon will be no different. what's the problem?
>>336231747
>they're listening to fans
somebody hasn't seen the blue posts on the brewmaster and blood forums!
>>336232162
because nolifers are not important to society as a whole. most people consider them useless and are pretty undeserving of most of the things they have since they feel entitled to the spoils of capitalism while throwing nothing back into the pot.
>>336232234
Celestalon brought back Expel Harm and now it collects the orbs for you if they're in precarious spots so you can heal yourself on-demand. so that's something.
>>336226229
>a contingency plan if WoW fails.
idiot. they wouldnt have sold themselves to CoDivision if they careed about making good franchises. their contingency plan is to get folded into activision even more and keep the blizzard brand to keep selling warcraft slash and league of unity engine with whatever monitization the suits and the market dictate.
>>336232489
They still despawn if you move more than like 20 yards away.
>>336232639
probably a bug since the spell has a 30 yard range.
>>336232194
Your opinions are shit.
>>336232858
y-you too...
>>336232780
Even if it's 30 yards that's completely fucking retarded. Flying Serpent Kick moves you 50 yards and it's a primary movement ability for BrM.
A tank who can't move and mitigate at the same time is worthless. Imagine trying to tank Archi with that strat, by the time you start spawning orbs he'd be casting Allure again.
>>336232308
But they are important and most people, like you, are wrong.
You're the one unwilling to work and thus undeserving of most things, demanding they instead be given to you just for existing.
>>336222252
>Decide to play WoW again
>Remember MoP will be a zone i need to level in
>Stop playing
I hate that expansion with every fiber of my being I will take the no content drought in WoD then a fucking april fool expansion any day
>>336233026
just pay for the level boost ;^)
>>336230506
>That and there was no real story after Arthas' death
Fucking please. They butchered the story from BC onwards.
>>336225009
Do you still get mats and gold from world quests and class halls? If yes, i don't see how professions could ever come back since they also lowered the mats requirement.
>>336233026
WoD literally gives you a free level 90 so you can skip MoP, and it was being given away for free to inactive players yesterday.
Check your email, you probably got one.
>>336233095
They really fuck you coming and going now, don't they.
>>336232948
>Flying Serpent Kick
>BrM
do you play world of warcraft?
>>336233004
>video games
>work
loving every laugh
>>336233267
Chi Torpedo I mean.
>>336232639
>>336232780
>Despawn after 20-30 yards
>Huge number of bosses require you to move further than that, or just teleport you somewhere else entirely at points
the orbs have never been fun regardless, after all the pruning I don't know why or how they're still around, especially since MW lost theirs
>>336232948
>BrM
>Flying Serpent Kick
I wish
>primary movement ability
>mfw
So did they confirm to make pristine servers? I am only willing to try legion if they are pristine without lfr and cross realm shit. If it has server community and progress, I would even be able to handle the class hall shit. Everyone talks about the slow leveling and that is really not the selling point, I want an expansion that is keeping me play for more than two weeks
>>336233410
chi torpedo does NOT move you 50 yards, and most tanks will probably take Tiger's Lust anyway since it's a flat speed increase that allows for more precise movement.
>>336211405
considering the track record of shitting around for the last years it probably won't be good
Especially not with jay fuck that loser wilson
>>336233481
no they did not confirm that. it was just an offhanded suggestion that everyone took as an offer or a confirmation of it.
>>336233452
yeah i always felt like it should just be a stacking buff that you could spend at any point.
>>336233391
>Just give me all of the best loot in the game because I suck. It doesn't matter that I'm garbage, and that other people are much better at the game than I am, I still deserve to have everything they do.
k
>>336224115
just because they cut an expansion in half to sell them seperately doesn't mean it ends up being good because it's complete now
>>336233620
Getting that is more realistic than a vanilla server, I hope they work on it
>>336211405
If it's good then I'll play it, if it's bad then I won't. I have other hobbies, WoW is not the only game I play
I'm not sure why people care so much
>>336233837
>LFR gear is the best loot in the game
>>336233391
But you won't be laughing for long when everything is just handed to you and you become bored and quit the game.
>>336234061
>mythic gear is just handed to you
>>336234098
Only if your guild carries you.
>>336234098
>Implying it isn't
>>336234165
>implying it is
>>336234148
and that never happens until several months into the raid tier when enough people can actually do it, and even then just barely until everyone eventually has the whole raid on farm (which most guilds cannot do even in the tiers that last over a year)
>>336234061
>implying gear is why I raid
>>336234165
Only 3.17% of guilds cleared mythic archimonde
>>336234327
>implying gear from the last boss in the entire expansion on the hardest difficulty means anything at all
>>336234327
Meanwhile you can get free Mythic Archi loot by downing HFA 8 times, and HFA is free loot.
>>336234489
>there is no point to raiding the last tier since a new expansion will inevitably come
might as well not play WoW at all, even vanilla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fea71ZhDzZ4
This video makes me sad because it shows just how out of touch Blizzard are nowadays. They used to have so much passion.
>>336234550
>might as well not play WoW at all, even vanilla.
finally you understand
>>336234274
Fair enough. Unless we're talking Mythic dungeons.
>>336234327
I imagine that number is somewhat higher. How many got SoO mythic?
>>336234302
I stopped being in a raiding guild mid cata when they intriduced lfr. Gear is fun and all, but being able to see the raids and bosses is also a reward, especially when doing it with your guild. I don't really have any motivation to spend time in a raidguild to do the same bosses on easy to hard mode several time. This is the cheapest way possible to keep people busy
>>336226229
>Overwatch
>Not dead in a month
The game is a piece of crapand selling an FPS to RPG fans like blizzard will never work.
Great fap bait tho.
>>336234629
mythic dungeons are pointless once you're geared up enough for normal/heroic HFC (unless you want the BoA trinkets for Legion). we'll just have to see if carries will even be possible in Mythic+ dungeons in Legion.
>>336234743
>The game is a piece of crap and selling an FPS to RPG fans like blizzard will never work.
Isn't that what people said about Heartstone? I'll never understand how the fuck did that get popular when the initial response was "God is dead"
>>336234743
you do know dozens of millions of people play hearthstone, right? it's not just RPG fans.
also, 8 million people signed up for the beta. if this game dies, it'll be because blizzard intentionally killed it.
>>336234743
Blizzdrones eat up anything that drizzles out of Blizzard's butthole
Notice how when Blizzard failed to acquire Dota 2 (i.e. the biggest mistake the company ever made) the drones were saying that ASSFAGGOTS was shit anyway, nobody wanted Dota 2, they hated it, etc. then as soon as Blizzard comes out with their own clone (which is hands down the worst of them all gameplay-wise) they suddenly love ASSFAGGOTS. Same with Hearthstone. If it's made by Blizzard, people WILL hug its nuts firmly.
>>336234629
There was no mythic SoO, just heroic and 7% of guilds cleared heroic Garrosh
>>336234790
>mythic dungeons are pointless once you're geared up enough for normal/heroic HFC
Completely untrue. Warforged Mythic dungeon trinkets are BiS for half the specs in the game. Fire Mage's BiS trinkets in particular (Bonemaws Big Toe, the strength trinket from SMBG) or Khira's Adrenaline Injector from Iron Docks (you can only use one, since they share a CD).
Khira's Adrenaline Injector Warforged to 710 or higher is better DPS for a Fire Mage than 730 Desecrated Shadowmoon Insignia.
Khira's is an Agility trinket btw.
>>336234934
They didn't fail to acquire. They literally told icefrog to fuck off.
>>336235107
I would call that a failure
>>336235130
I would call that pure retardation.
>>336224513
Don't listen to shitposters, there is a chance.
>>336234550
I think you're misunderstanding me here, friend.
There's merit to seeing and clearing all of the content on all difficulties
But now that you've killed mythic archimonde, the hardest fight in the game, there isn't much left, is there? Or are you going to keep going for more gear?
>>336234934
Didn't work with diablo3. Pretty much dead at this point
So I've been a horde baby all my time on WoW and got sick of the neckbeard tier anger problems so I decided to roll on Stormrage for a chance of pace with Alliance
What am I in for?
>>336235376
The exact same thing except with more furries.
>>336235376
standing in Stormwind then standing in your garrison
>>336235229
most guilds would probably farm it for the mount every week. and at that point if they're very skilled, THEN they could start formulating comps that could potentially carry people through the fight, which is another venture in itself since it requires a change in strategy. either way, if the guild felt like it then they would probably keep raiding anyway just because of the community they've formed, or they'll all just fuck off and come back for the next expansion where some people will stay online to do pvp and farm transmog and other shit that doesn't really have a stated goal and is just something to do for personal reasons.
>>336234512
Wrong, fagtron, weapons, tier, and class trinkets aren't in the cache loot tables.
>>336235712
Archi drops more than weapons, tier and class trinkets retard.
>>336235849
OH MAN, HE DROPS POORLY ITEMIZED GEAR THAT GIVES YOU MORE OF YOUR PRIMARY STAT!
STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES, IT ISN'T WORTH DOWNING MYTHIC ARCHIE ANYMORE
>>336235502
Exactly, but the gear that drops isn't the driving force, is it? Not even for the people who raid for gear normally
All of the gear you get leading up to the final boss of the expansion on the hardest difficulty is there to make the fight easier, or even in the majority of cases; possible. The presence of gear on that loot table is unnecessary, not that i'd want it to be removed of course, it's not doing any harm there
Wait, how is archimonde a raid boss when he died at the world tree in warcraft3?
>>336235712
Archi class trinkets are in the cache list.
>>336236032
demuns can't die if they aren't killed in the twisting nether
t. christopher schlomo metzenberg
>>336236032
Time is convoluted in Azeroth.
>>336223972
Is MoP free or something? Checked my account and it said that I had it.
>>336236838
Every expansion until the newest one is included in the base game.
Lately even WoD was given out for free in US I think
>>336236906
Yeah they're giving out WoD and 7 days free to people who haven't bought it yet. Seems pretty desperate desu.
>>336236906
Huh.
Yeah I got an email begging me to resub with free game time and WoD.Honestly, it's tempting.
>>336237157
If you haven't played WoD it's an ok time sink. The leveling is quite fun the first time in draenor
>>336234743
>hating on overwatch
literally one of the best games coming out this year and here you are being a faggot
>>336237157
The leveling is actually the best part of the expansion until it all falls together on max level
>>336237347
Might give it a shot in July when I'm off work. Dust off the old Mage and Paladin.
>>336237038
Not a bad marketing ploy. For staters, no one wants to buy 2 expansions. If you play again and get the new expansion, they make money. If you just subscribe for a few months, they make money. The only way they lose is if people stop buying expansions because they figure they get then for free in 2 years anyway.
That's probably why we don't get legacy servers, come to think of it. Can't push expansions if they don't invalidate old content.
>>336237347
>>336237448
Leveling seemed mediocre compared to TBC/Wrath desu.
>>336237674
tbc lvling was boring as fuck though. Wrath was much better, cata was horrible mop was decent and wod was good
>>336237626
But they do encourage you to buy two expansions
>>336237674
Ten timer better than pandaland leveling and everything before cata had no real questline, that was traditional go from city to city and do stuff. That's fine, but now they want to tell stories with one big questline and they did it really good on wod
I got the WoD and 7 days free, haven't played since start of cata, was a hardcore raider back from vanilla to wrath, what's a decently populated EU server , i just want to be in a guild with people to talk to .
>>336237626
The way I see it vanilla servers could probably help them hang on to subscribers during content droughts. Like now in WoD they had some of the fastest subscriber drops they've ever had, maybe more people would have stayed subbed if they had the option to do vanilla content without it being brokenly easy. People always talk like you either play legacy or you play current without thinking about the fact that a lot of people would probably play both, which takes more time than just playing one of them, which results in needing to stay subscribed more.
But maybe Blizzard has researched that angle too already.
If they released vanilla servers and you paid the same subscription fee I'd definitely check out the current game whenever there was a new patch and get all the raid content on farm before going back to vanilla desu.
>>336237979
http://www.wowprogress.com/realms/rank/eu
Personally a fan of Kazzak desu
>>336237991
But how did they respond to petitionplease respond
>>336238093
>Horde 23318 Alliance 169
What the fuck, for the record i was on Defias Brotherhood horde side, don't mind starting fresh since apparently i keep my titles cross realm.
>>336238093
>that 138:1 horde:alliance ratio
wew
>>336238298
Defias has pretty good population balance. It's really like 6 realms glued together. If you want to raid alliance is the better side though.
>>336237816
>>336237934
Well at the time you were comparing TBC to Vanilla, it was a massive change, heaps of cool new shit and impressive zones etc.
WoD compared to what's come before is.. shit, at least comparing how I felt while experiencing them all anyway.
>>336211405
No, they baited me three expansions in row, at this point I would just seal my fate as best goy.
>>336238480
Forgot to say, better but not by much so it doesn't really matter
>>336237816
>Wrath
>good leveling
>>336238298
Funny, that's actually the realm I played on after I played on Kazzak
>tfw started playing again late in 5.4 and our guild was still top 5 after a few months
>tfw occasionally pugged with one of the other top guilds and they were all retards carried by having grinded for gears for several weeks more
>tfw a fanboy guild popped up on horde side
Revamped PvP has got me hooked going into this expansion. PvP being balanced separate from PvE? Long overdue. If they can find a way to introduce viable tank specs into the meta, that would probably set this expansion over the top.
In short, can't wait to get back to dueling infront of Stormwind again. Probably one of the last places in the world that still has some semblance of community.
>>336238547
TBC was just more linear vanilla lvling with occasional pvp zone objective and bombing run. I don't see how you could feel it was a huge step. I started with vanilla and for me TBC lvling was nothing special.
The zones looked cool though
>>336211405
movie looks shit xpac looks meh, pandaland tier at best which is enough to get me playing again so noice?
>>336238768
The thing I'm interested in is the mythic 5-mans. In BC I almost only did 5-mans because I had no guild and I still thought that was fun enough to sub for, but I never thought that about any 5-mans after WotLK. Will depend just as much on the design of the dungeons as it depends on the system itself though desu.
Probably will wait with buying/subbing until at least a month in to see what the initial reactions are. I bought WoD day one and I realized it was shit within the month so maybe that situation can be avoid.
pretty good plan by blizzo tho
>make movie about your game franchise
>get pg13 rating
>all these young nerd will go in and watch it
>get boner over cgi graphix and shit
>go buy wow cause of movie
>ohh look new expansion
>$100 for collectors edition
>better ask mum to preorder that shit
>legion comes out
>cant log in because servers are overloading
>get in after 12 hour queue
>laggy af
>too many people
>get kicked from server
>blizzo makin that mad bank running laps round those beta nerds
tbqh familia i wanna get legions just so i can log in and see the absolute chaos that ensues just like WoD but at the same time im not going to because wow is gay af now
>>336211405
The questing story might be interesting.
The dungeon content at end game might be interesting.
They've had a bunch of people assigned to this expansion. One might hope that means content patches. Several over the course of a year. More like MoP in that regard than WoD.
The beaten wife's dream that it'll be different this time.
That we won't wait 12-15 months from the last Legion content to the launch of the MLP expansion.
If I missed points to be "hopeful" about by all means add your own.Like, favorite & subscribe.
>>336238547
I still like some of the old questlines, but today it has a much better flow. Leveldesign, music and overall design of areas is the only thing that improved over the years in my eyes. What we complain about is the core of the game
>>336225891
DELET THJIS NOW!!!11!!
>>336239128
This meme isn't funny anymore.
>>336239087
I mostly agree, also feel a lot of the off the beaten path type stuff is gone now too, hard to explain really.
I'll probably try it when it goes on sale for like 20 yurobucks soon after it bombs on launch and blizzard panics. Just like with MoP.
Buying a movie ticket gets you:
>World of Warcraft and all of the expansions until Warlords of Draenor and a free month of gametime
>The four film inspired transmog items
>The code for these rewards will be emailed by May 27 and must be used by August 1.
What a fucking joke this company is. I guarantee no cinemas in my backwater country will even have this deal.
>>336240586
Some people will probably do it just got Gul'dan's staff though.
I think you guys have changed just as much as the game has. Theres lot of potential for open world content in Legion if you take charge to do it.
>>336240586
That shield would go great with my holy Paladin transmog.
>>336240586
source? last time i saw this it was just a rumor
>>336240667
didn't i get that axe as an honor reward like 3-4 seasons ago?
I guessing I'm buying a ticket just for that fucking transmog.
Even If I refuse to go outside and see the shitty movie.
>>336240891
Check MMO-C front page, just updated.
>>336240894
Honestly looks like a reskinned Betrayer of Humanity.
>>336238994
>>go buy wow cause of movie
The movie ticket actually comes with the base game through Warlords and a free month. Everyone going to watch that movie will give it a try.
>>336240197
who is this semen demon?
>>336241034
Is this the part where Blizzard shows up during launch week and is like "GUYS THE SUB COUNT IS BACK UP TO 10 BILLION WE DID IT" but then never reports the count again after it recedes again like Warlords?
>>336240976
>Honestly looks like a reskinned Betrayer of Humanity.
Yeah i see it, could be. Funny how i remember specific items from all the raids because some of my raiders would droll over the drops every week.
>"Deathbringers will this week i feel it"
I'm sure IT'LL FIX EVERYTHING
https://youtu.be/54J-rzv3SHw
https://youtu.be/m66Pd3pRK5Q
>>336241424
Warforged and sockets in WoD ruined this feeling for me. Getting 2pc or 4pc tier or a weapon/trinket was always exciting, now it's just depressing when you don't get the best roll on the item but spend dkp or w/e on it anyway because it's still an upgrade.
Greatly contributed to raider burnout this expansion imo, along with other obvious factors.
Blizzard has a really fucked up reward system nowadays. korean grinder mmos feel more rewarding than pugging HFC for no loot 4 weeks in a row.
>>336241834
>tfw at 730 but still grinding Mythic dungeons because it drops BiS trinkets for my spec if they're warforged to 715+
Shit's retarded.
>>336242041
i don't even have the urge to come back for gold cmode transmog this expac. Made sure i earned MoP golds but i just don't feel the impetus this time around for it or heroic Arch.
Still decked in Heroic/Mythic BRF, unsubbed since about 2 months into 6.2. Got my legendary ring and a normal Arch kill and felt done. Raid guild fell apart so that's partly the reason.
>>336241834
>>336242041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6q5GpyhqCg
Couldn't be summed up any better than in this video, coming from a method raider.
The entire loot system in Legion was fucking trash.
WF has killed motivation and excitement for loot, when it was supposed to make doing farm bosses a viable choice. What a fucking joke.
>>336237580
the free gametime expires in two weeks though. read the email
>>336224254
Wait, the entire game is free (obviously sub not in mind) right now?
If that is the case I might make an entirely new account and play through the game in iron man mode or something.
>>336231920
We don't know yet because nobody is willing to release that information
>>336226351
>>336226229
This and that.
Hearthstone just passed what, 10 million players? 20? The majority has spent money on the game, probably more than they ever would have on WoW.
>>336242613
thanks for making me check senpai, haven't played in four years, gonna try WoD now.
>>336223636
>Heroics and Mythics are the hardest they've ever been
>Archimonde Mythic was defeated after 3 weeks
wew
>>336244186
Since the introduction of heroics end bosses really haven't lived long without bullshit like Algalon's 1 hr timer or limited attempts. Only reason the boss would last long when a guild is doing attempts 80+ hours a week is if it is a gear check making it impossible to complete without doing the raid more for better gear, which has little to do with difficulty
>>336244819
That's basically the shit they were pulling back in MC. No facing Ragnaros until you grind out Hydraxian Waterlords rep, which is a bullshit gating mechanic.
>>336223536
>So terrible I'm dropping the class I've mained since vanilla with absolutely no thought of ever picking it up again.
I'm guessing you mained lock?
>>336211405
There is literally a thread every day asking this game question, and it consists of the same arguments every time.
>>336246235
>warlords of draenor
>one of the most iconic warrior abilities ever was turned into an optional glyph
>>336245809
Literally nobody actually grinded it. By the time your group was good enough to get to Rag everyone literally was exhalted anyways.
>>336245809
Yeah they've always done it. I think the most underhanded gating they pulled was intentionally making Kael'Thas impossible in BC.
People hold up the fact that Ragnaros lasted so long as some kind of game design achievement but the reality is that it was mostly the result of people's attitude being different, so it took longer for people to hit 60, longer to gear people up, longer to grind out the rep, etc.. The poopsocking mentality didn't arise until later, and on Nost Ragnaros lasted what, two weeks? That's purely because players are different now and knowledge is more widespread. The same goes for new retail bosses as people get time to test them on PTR, they already have the strats when a new raid comes out, they already have the gear, they already have taken time off their job so they can play the first 36 hours non-stop.
When people say "xyz boss died in such a short time!" they don't take into account that most likely every single boss in WoW would be killed just as efficiently if people always had the same mentality and tools as they do now. Put the Nihilum or SK-Gaming from late BC into vanilla and they would have killed Ragnaros within a couple of weeks too.
>>336246475
I love how people who never played vanilla think it was one big fat grind after another when actually the only real grind were the silithid insects and the winterspring mount, and the important thing is that you could do it at your own pace, either grind it all at once or do a little, instead of gated grind like MoP dailies.
>>336246420
W-What
What did they do
I'm Arms btw
>>336246993
removed cleave, made it a glyph for heroic strike.
>>336211405
It has a better chance of being better than WoD simply because it's got more content coming out the door, but it's all a matter of content updates and whether Blizzard will pull through or not.
I want to believe now that Overwatch is finished that more support will go towards WoW, but that's probably a pipe dream.
>>336247115
Whaaaaaaat. Not that I used it often in arena or BGs due to Sweeping Strikes but whaaaaaaaaat.
>>336241785
Why?
>>336241785
I literally do not see a difference.
>>336246993
arms was killed in WoD. they made it a braindead spec. it looks better in legion.
>>336247115
I guess the thinking is that it's too complicated to have two sort of similar skills on the action bar with cleave and HS so instead they want you to make the choice before each boss fight depending on whether it's a single target fight or a fight where you can cleave. Can't say I like it as it leaves less skill in the actual execution of a fight. But I do understand why they did it since it does contribute to the idea of glyphs/talents being meaningful instead of there being one setup that's correct in all situations. That is, assuming there actually is a damage penalty when using the cleave glyph.
>>336246916
>argent dawn
>timbermaw hold
>every BG rep
>PvP ranking
>>336247531
not afaik, just a straight 'heroic strike now hits 3 targets instead of 1'
which can still lead to problems with stuff like CCing, but it's still a shitty change.
>>336246916
If you were in a high level progress raiding guild, you literally had to spend hundreds of gold every week and grind for days on end just so you would have all the potions, flasks, dark/demonic runes, world buffs, mana oils, buff food and a host of other bullshit that was excrutiating to farm especially if you were a tank or a healer.
I would love having legacy servers as much as anyone else, but Vanilla was IN FACT a very grindy game for anybody who wanted to see content beyond BWL, and I would even go as far as to say that it was virtually impossible to pull off if you also had a life outside of the game.
>>336247527
Tell me about it. I tried out WoD because of that free 7 day trial thing, got into a BG and just raped the hell out of everyone, it's really easy.
>>336247660
Oh, in that case it's just dumb. I guess you wont have it on in the mythic 5-mans, but otherwise it's going to be permanently used.
>>336211405
gonna try it. It's probably gonna be fun at first and then become boring because of lack of content. Just like the past few expansions. I don't really understand how Blizzard is okay with over a year without new content.
>>336247516
Human stands more pronounced with his shoulders back and his arms are out more instead of staying close to his body
Troll bends his arms all the way and bounces a little bit. Little to no difference.
it's probably gonna suck but i'm going to play itonly if it get bundled with legacy servers
>>336247728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0SjQZCB5iU
>>336247986
careful, you might wake the shitposters up
>>336238298
pigs shouldn't actually consume dairy and other animal products
>>336248034
That's not Bajheera.
>>336248034
I mean even during WOTLK Arms wasn't the most complex fucking spec but holy shit this is bad.
>>336247723
>and grind for days on end
you're pushing it
>and I would even go as far as to say that it was virtually impossible to pull off if you also had a life outside of the game.
ok whatever
>>336247615
>argent dawn
really easy to do, by the time naxx came out most people were already at least halfway through honored if not revered
>timbermaw hold
easy and far from mandatory, and the only good reward was at honored if I remember correctly
>every BG rep
would go up by themselves if you were doing any serious PvP
>PvP ranking
ladder based so of course you had to keep your place, idiot
>>336248034
I can actually play Arms with my 360 controller now! (hell, I can handle like 20+ skills on ffxiv with the same controller, so)
>>336248180
who
>>336224629
I'm really really worried that this is how they will handle world quests.
I'm worried that once they release the new raid, the world quests will become entirely irrelevant (since they reward garbage) and we'll end up doing LFR or some other dailies in a much smaller zone instead.
Ideally they will just add a handful of new world quests and scale up the rewards to be the new entry level.
>>336248387
I used to play my elemental shaman on a 360 pad in WotLK. Even did ICC HC up to Saurfang with it. I think in Legion pretty much every DPS class can be played on pad, only healers and tanks need the mouse for targeting.
I wanted to do something more gimmicky like a guitar hero controller but I never got it to work with my PC.
>>336247527
Arms in WoD is just a less interesting Fury.
I've always felt that Fury was more appealing than Arms (having two twohanded weapons feels amazing and they are very rewarding to upgrade) and having Bladestorm be baseline only solidifies that opinion.
But WoD really really butchered Arms. There is zero incentive for me to try the spec.
>>336248034
rip fury
>ability pruning received universally negative feedback
>LOL WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN THOUGH
>garrison facebook games received universally negative feedback
>LOL WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN THOUGH
>no flying received universally negative feedback
>LOL WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN THOUGH
>>336248295
The fact people completed the grind doesn't validate it as a gating concept.
>>336248559
Target spapping is the only tricky bit with a controller.
There are enough buttons for every class, just need to use a modifier (ex: Hold R2 + Square) to increase the number of buttons.
>>336248731
>no flying received universally negative feedback
>>336248731
I'd rather they try to make those things work than just remove them.
Based on the alpha (and players in the alpha) new facebook table is actually done properly.
It's more of a way to get a few extra rewards from your daily grind. You can only afford missions for doing quests (never seen missions drop them) so I view it more as the 'rested xp' of end game grind.
>>336248672
>RET IS GREAT AGAIN
;_;
>>336248752
it wasn't gating it was gameplay based progression
>>336248648
I loved fury before titan's grip desu, but after TG it was always like "you can either have two 2h weapons or one, which spec do you choose"? and the answer was obvious. Just felt like fury lost something when that happened. And their single minded fury shit or whatever never worked, so now it'll always be 2x2h. But I stopped playing my warrior at the end of BC already so I'm probably a bit biased since I never played seriously with it after TG.
>>336248773
Yeah, I used the right thumbstick to move the pointer around, clicking it was like right clicking and I used the back button for tab targetting (which is all DPS needs 90% of the time anyway) so it worked well, but I can't imagine how you'd do that as a healer. Maybe an addon like healbot that always picks the lowest health target for you, but that's not always the guy you want to heal either.
>>336248672
Fury is still better than any other DPS I have any interest in playing.
Ret is mindless and ezpz to the xtereme.
Mages are DPS rotations are all one button rotation + a couple procs and maybe a cooldown.
Balance druid is just too dull to level.
Hunter is hunter.
As far as DPS specs go, Fury is easily the most appealing one that is at all high on that list.
>>336249029
>Maybe an addon like healbot that always picks the lowest health target for you
That's not allowed. That's considering botting/scripting.
Can't make an addon that targets/heals people depending on health.
>>336249029
>I loved fury before titan's grip desu, but after TG it was always like "you can either have two 2h weapons or one, which spec do you choose"? and the answer was obvious. Just felt like fury lost something when that happened. And their single minded fury shit or whatever never worked, so now it'll always be 2x2h. But I stopped playing my warrior at the end of BC already so I'm probably a bit biased since I never played seriously with it after TG.
Your info is a bit dated.
It's not 2x 2handed weapons or 1x 2handed weapon, it's 2x 2handed or 2x 1handed.
The 2x 1handed is fully viable, and for many gear levels is better than TG DPS wise.
But why the fuck would anyone use two one handers as a fury warr? The whole point is using double two handers and being a boss.
>>336249029
>I loved fury before titan's grip desu, but after TG it was always like "you can either have two 2h weapons or one, which spec do you choose"?
Yup, arms became the spec you ran when you didn't have the gear to go fury or if you were doing arena.
>>336248731
Flying ruined WoW, fuck you.
Okay lads, how do I make enough gold doing minimal work to sustain a subscription off tokens indefinitely?
I want to be able to log in once a month and fuck around without having to think about spending money.
>>336241785
>shoving the new animations onto the old models
Fuck you Blizz. If I want the new animations, I'll use the new models.
>>336249258
You know what you can do? Make a raid frame that sorts people by their HP. The lowest is at the top which you target by default.
>>336249236
>Mages are DPS rotations are all one button rotation + a couple procs and maybe a cooldown
All mage specs are way harder than any warrior spec
>>336249412
>But why the fuck would anyone use two one handers as a fury warr? The whole point is using double two handers and being a boss.
>>336249512
You need to log in daily for this to work, but only for a few minutes.
>Garrison
>Inn Lv3
>Barracks Lv3
>Every week you go to inn and hire a follower with Treasure Hunter trait
>Do all gold missions and train treasure hunters
>Keep doing this
>eventually you make shitloads of gold
>Haven't played since WOTLK
>Last thing I remember doing is playing some bgs, blowing people the fuck out with charge mortal strike hamstring rend overpower mortal strike EXECUUUUUUUUTE
Hell you got to a certain point where you didn't even need to pop Recklessness anymore, you just shat out crits constantly. A Rogue friend of mine reached over 45 crit occasionally.
>>336249587
Fire is the only mage spec that requires any real management. Arcane and Frost are snorefests.
Fire best spec.
>>336249412
Idk senpai, I just thought dual wielding my 1h blacksmithing axe with another epic in BC was straight fire.
>>336249661
Do garrisons really make THAT much? Last time I logged in the missions were all for like 100g, and tokens were like 40k.
>mfw I log into the game for the first time in years and I'm completely lost with the talent system a big ass adventuring guid pops into my face and shit
jesus
>>336249587
Have you played WoD? Mage specs are more mindless than ever.
Even if warr has as simple of a rotation (which I dont agree with) the very fact they are melee makes them more difficult.
>>336249892
You tell me. This is a single month.
>>336244819
H Arthas and Yogg 0 both lasted a long time after their raid released. (Full released in the case of ICC).
H Arthas: 46 days (after Heroic modes became avalible, since ICC normal had a staggered release).
Yogg 0: 85 days
>>336249892
Treasure Hunter stacks.
That 100g will be like 400g once you have the treasure hunters around to double it.
>>336249892
>tokens were like 40k.
Yeah it's retarded.
Unless you were already gold capped before the expansion, you can buy like at most 3 months worth of game time for 12 years worth of saved gold.
>>336250006
The raid group for the first kill for Yogg 0 were all banned too since they used an exploit to kill it.
>>336249991
wew
>>336250006
Arthas had limited attempts, no?
And people generally had given up on Yogg and waited for them to fix it since it was assumed the fight was broken. People from Ensidia said they were burned out on the game from underperforming so hard and then they came to a boss that seemed like it was just broken, and in the end it was only beaten by people exploiting a bug.
>>336248672
>monks
>death knights
>>336250179
>Arthas had limited attempts, no?
You know it's been so long I honestly can't fucking remember, but now that you mention it, I think you're right.
I'm resubbing with my old guild (who're all just people I've known IRL), so I'll at least be having fun with friends in some form.
BRO
DOUBLE JUMP
>>336246235
No I've mained Monk.
>>336250425
You've mained monk since vanilla?
Damn.
>>336250389
>Warsong Gulch
>Demon Hunters pick up enemy flag
>Run to the top of the castle area
>Double jump over the top
>They can glide all the way back to their own base with the flag without being attackable
It's pretty funny desu.
>>336211405
Anyone who has actually been following the alpha knows straight away that the expansion is going to be good. The only holdouts at this point are people still buttmad over Warlords who haven't bothered to do their research.
The amount of content in just the initial patch already appears to far outstrip that of Warlords. You got unique order hall questlines for every class, the massive suramar overarching story, the profession questlines, world quests, new challenge mode dungeons, revamped prestige style PvP with its own talent tree (fucking FINALLY), etc.
AND, this is without a single bit of cut content. By this point in Warlords testing, promised areas and features were dropping left and right. So far, nothing has been dropped for Legion. (Before anyone mentions Thal'dranath, that was always billed as this expansions 'catch up island' from the beginning)
>>336225490
Reminds me of DOTA.
>>336250530
Even then you can't really blame people for being skeptic after such a complete shitfest as WoD.
>>336248672
>Arms Warrior better than Fury
But that isn't possible. I've NEVER seen an Arms Warrior beat an equally geared Fury warrior. I main Fury, and my Mythic group wants me to stay Fury because I do a clear 30k difference from Arms.
>Marksmanship Hunter under Combat Rogue and Ret Paladin
Also bullshit. I've got Marksman hunters in HEROIC gear doing 80k+ dps, and mythic geared Paladins doing just above that. Marksman Hunters do bullshit amounts of DPS with shit gear, and they'll likely do more.
>Subtlety under Arcane
Even more incorrect. Ignoring that 18 sec Mythic Reaver, I've never seen an Arcane mage in Mythics outdps a Frost mage.
These charts always look like bullshit, but since I got into a proper group that clears Mythic every week, I've not seen any truth in these charts.
What are the chances that every World of Warcraft post is from a paid shill?
Are you going to respond?
>>336250882
>For item level 745
Keep in mind this is full BiS gear.
>>336250530
I hope you get paid well because youre a very good shill
So what's a fun class to play for 7 days and experience WoD content with ?
I have them all at level 70-80 but I don't know how any of them work.
>>336250913
I'm not, it's just a game I played for 10 years so I like talking about it.
>>336251067
Arms if you never played it before
>>336250530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujh0VHCW3cY
""""""""""""""""""good"""""""""""""""""
>>336250882
You realize that chart is an extremely bad representation right? It's every boss and only for people who are 745+ (that is, less than 1% of the population) over the last two weeks. Look at where it puts Fire mage. Fire is very nearly as good as Arcane between 720 and 740 ilvls, not down the bottom.
>>336249892
Setting up a garrison for gold-making takes time though...and come Legion in 3~4 months, they are nerfing gold income from garrisons
>>336251203
>We know we fucked everything up, but look! Shiny colors!
They're getting desperate
>>336250882
>I've never seen an Arcane mage in Mythics outdps a Frost mage.
Then you've never played with a decent mage, Frost is complete garbage. Arcane shits on it on 1 or 3+ targets and Fire just shits all over it regardless of the number of targets (but still can't beat Arcane on single target.
>>336250731
I suppose, but there's some people out there that are evidently so burned that they won't even look at what Legion is offering objectively. I mean c'mon, just get over it.
>>336251051
If just telling the truth makes me a shill, then I should've been getting paid a long time ago.
REV UP THAT GOLDFARM
>Not just hosting your own sandbox so you and your friends can dick around doing whatever the fuck you want
>>336251203
I don't see how cosmetics tie into the quality of an expansion. Vanilla and BC had tons of silly shit like this, so I guess they must've been trash, too.
>>336251441
Not even a big amount of gold by today's standards
>>336251453
it got old pretty fast after we 2 manned unscripted Naxx
>>336251453
>Seal of Righteousness not on bars
Retardins ladies and gentlemen.
>>336250882
>>336251042
>>336251221
This is what it looks like if you don't have the retarded 645+ filter in.
>>336251481
http://beta.wowdb.com/spells/220262-glyph-of-blinkbow
http://beta.wowdb.com/spells/220257-glyph-of-the-falling-rainbow
As expected of a blizzcuck
>>336251441
>buying relevant epics with gold from a vendor
wew
>>336251601
You just posted a link to the glyphs.
How does that explain what the issue with them is?
The guy you replied to, and myself, don't see how optional cosmetics make an expansion bad. Regardless of how many times you post a link to the glyphs.
>>336251601
Legion is sure turning out to be Diablo 3.
>>336251601
???
What is that supposed to prove? You shitposters aren't even making sense anymore. Your programming must be busted.
>>336251543
Unscripted? Most boss fights are decently scripted in mine.
>>336251556
Command for solo/groups, Vengeance for bosses. Righteousness is obsolete.
>>336251441
>New Dalaran is the main hub for everyone
>Set Hearthstone there
>Ring now invalid and worthless
GG Blizz.
Reminder that Blizzard actively shills on /v/ and has done for some time.
so far it seems like they only worked on certain specs, so i hope they have big plans that are not in alpha yet, its likely, i'm hopeful at least. i mean outlaw, shadow, disc, some are obviously "legion" specs are are almost working well enough ready for beta, but then some like prot (both), ass, BM, are still seemingly half missing.
all the pve stuff seems fantastic. loads more almost horizontal progression type stuff and personal journeys. it has to be better than garrison campaign, which isn't even really a thing, just an afterthought series of disconnected quests. everything ties in nicely since you have the AP and order resources and what not as you do everything. the scaling CMs stuff is something that will probably be great later, it's supposedly a boring flat scaling atm. if they actually do more interesting permutations this could be great and even reintroduce 10 man dungeons without too much extra work needed.
on the one hand class halls seems like a cop-out of the fact you couldn't make garrisons more like player housing and personal, so you scrapped it to focus on the shitty click'n'wait minigame some more. on the other hand, their promise is that the implementation will be much better. i'm not hopeful about it.
ilvls in pvp apparently mean about .1% as opposed to more like 1% power, and you have prestige talents etc. is this like the biggest thing to happen to pvp since arenas, or resilience, or what? i don't even know, but at least from an outsider perspective this seems pretty major, and good or bad the sort of thing that would at least interest everyone to come and try it.
>>336251567
How is Arms still ahead of Fury? Fury does way more damage.
>>336251929
Why isn't this shit banned like MLP?
>>336247527
How is spamming Slam to fish for CS resets "better"?
>>336251894
Just like it was in WotLK
These rings are for 3 things: So you get an achievement, to drain some gold from the economy, and to allow you to set your HS in another location while still being able to teleport to Dalaran.
>>336251894
Are they shifting the portals from the Pandaland shrines to newDalaran?
>>336250116
They're 83k in EU, stop whining.
>>336251982
Fury is the king of two-target cleave. and outperforms Fury on any fight with between 2 and 5 consistent targets (ie most of HFC). Fury is better for Progression, since it has higher single target burst for priority adds, but once you get it to farm status, Arms is much better for meterwhoring.
>>336252301
Arms is the king of two-target cleave* I mean.
>>336250530
>The only holdouts at this point are people still buttmad over Warlords who haven't bothered to do their research.
And warriors, fuck whoever greenlit the changes they made to Fury after the initial build. And now they're calling it mostly done with just tuning to do, fuck that shit.
>>336250530
>saying its going to be good while posting that
Kek.
>>336251567
>Destro is that low
Damn, what happened?
>>336252582
>Fuck whoever greenlit the changes they made to Fury
That would be the same guy here >>336227363. Look on the bright side, at least you haven't got it as bad as Brewmasters.
>>336252018
/v/ never learns man
And i bet you'll see the same shit for the xpac after legion when legion turns out to be garbage
Alpha tester here. Legion's outlook is unpredictable, we still havent seen a lot of reward systems fully implemented and final adjustments to things like artifact power gains wont come until later. On the upside, the enviroment looks amazing, Suramar especially is gorgeous.
Ask me anything and I can try to give you an answer about Legion.
>>336252716
It just doesn't scale as well as Aff. Destro is fantastic all the way up until ~725 where it starts dropping off. It's not actually a bad spec, it's just at the extreme gear levels, the spec that scales the best performs the best.
>>336252814
Is it going to be like wod where everyone drops it after a month or will there actually be shit to do at 100
>>336252814
Are the mythic 5-mans good enough that someone could reasonably do them instead of raiding and still feel like they weren't wasting their money?
>>336252978
I mean 110
>>336227363
>when the tank tells me not to heal him until 40%
>>336253274
DON'T HEAL ME YOU FUCK I'M AT MY SWEET SPOT
>>336252978
Entirely up to Blizzard really. If World Quests rewards are rapidly outpaced by LFR (no known ilvl for LFR yet) or some other source of gear. Artifact power grind might give things a bit more life but if Blizzard throws gear at you like they have since Wrath its gonna be fucked quickly. I haven't seen reputation rewards yet either, so I dont know how those play in either. Plus the legendary grind should take some time, but apparently the droprate is higher from harder content so you will likely be focusing on dungeons and raids for those rather than just grinding.
Overall I think the artifact power (depending on adjustments to how fast you gain it) and new dungeon system will have people do more than just raid log, but as of right now I cant say how long the world quests will last for the average player. If you want it, there is grinding the PvP prestige but if you aren't already just spamming BGs that probably wont interest you.
>>336253029
They're pretty fun, and take a lot longer than current dungeons so you could easily fill you night up doing just 2-4 dungeons at a decent difficulty. I havent tested a higher level one yet but some of my guildmates (mythic raiders mind you) said it fucked their ass. The dungeons dont scale gear down though, so if you plan on trying to do them you are going to want to supplement your character with gear from another source if you are trying to pug.
>>336255270
the tank is in his sweet spot, don t heal him
t. Celestalon
>>336255408
I love this new meme!
>>336225891
>people pay for this
Isn't this the motto of the Nost fags who are throwing a fit because Blizzard took away their free pirated/emulated server?
>>336247527
>it looks better in legion.
I have some bad news. They made it WOD arms 2.0 and haven't made ANY warrior changes for 6+ builds.
Then we finally got a tweet from retard leader sparkledragon, saying they weren't changing anything and it would go live in its current state.
Warriors are a dead class.
>>336255947
The only positive part about the death of warriors is I now have no reason to even give Legion a shot. Saved me a chunk of money.
I mostly just want to play dress up
LOOK AT ME I'M SO FUCKING ORIGINAL LOOK AT THAT WHITE AND GOLD I'M SO FUCKING RIGHTEOUS I FUCKING SHIT THE LIGHT
>>336256542
players holding the ashbringers looks so dumb desu
>>336256542
Also my Mages 'Fuck you I'm a Phoenix' look
>>336256635
They do, they really do. That one Talent that shoots bolts out of the Disc looks neat, shame its a channel and will barely see use.
>>336249494
It ruined world pvpfags and explorefags, the two most vocal faggot factions of an MMO game.
>>336256635
At least they have a chance of looking better than Tirion. Dude was wearing a fucking dress, for crying out loud.
>>336211405
Vanilla wow was a loli sucking your penis
TBC was an emo teenage girl doing it
WOTLK was an somewhat hot MILF doing it.
CATACLYSM was a fat cougar
PANDARIA was a furry homosexual old chinese guy
DRAENOR was you jacking off yourself
In LEGION wow players jack off each-other.,
>>336249236
>wild strike.
>wild strike,
>wild strike/
>wild strike;
>wild strike'
>wild strike[
>wild strike]
>>336257237
>how to do completely shit DPS in 7 easy steps
>>336256542
>some ashbringer models don't have the medallion
Thank god. That will be it a little bit less weird seeing them everywhere.
>>336257237
>wildstrike
>wildstrike
>not enough rage
>not enough rage
>not enough rage
>not enough rage
>not enough rage
>>336257813
>Bloodthirst didn't crit
>Berserker Rage
>Raging Blow
>Bloodthirst didn't crit
>Autohit
>Bloodthirst didn't crit
>Wild Strike
>Bloodthirst didn't crit
>Autohit
>Bloodthirst didn't crit
>Wild Strike
>>336257237
>bag of wet branches hits the ground
>bag of wet branches hits the ground
>bag of wet branches hits the ground
>bag of wet branches hits the ground
>bag of wet branches hits the ground
>bag of wet branches hits the ground
>bag of wet branches hits the ground
Glad I changed it to the heroic strike sound, such terrible sound design on one skill.
I played every expansion except WoD, because I didn't want to blow money on it (forgetting that I'd already bought, because I'm retarded). They all had redeeming qualities. I'm imagine this will too, but this is the first time I'm not completely confident it will.
>>336225118
lol, most of the Legion content is time gated behind that shit.
>>336258050
Fucking THIS.
>35% unbuffed crit
>STILL randomly get no crit on Bloodthirst
Fuck RNG. What amount of crit do I need to get 100% crits with Bloodthirst? 50% crit?
garrisons 2.0
nuff said
>>336211405
Reminder that Nostfags are literally Goobergate 2.0.
Legion will be the greatest expansion yet!
>>336258541
Garrisons in Legion are fine.
You can't even do them without doing some dailies first for the resources.
It's not like WoD where you log in once a day on all 100s and start missions.
You'll only be able to do them as a follow up to some world questing.
Serious question: Are you guys all cynical and think Legion woll fail or are you cautiously optimistic and hoping WoW becomes good again and you can play it again?
>>336259618
I think it's going to suck so that if it's even the least bit good I'll be positively surprised
>>336259618
Neither for me. I hope that I can have fun. I have fun in Warlords, but it's lacking since I've hit Mythic, got my Moose, and have BIS gear from Heroic. I don't even NEED mythic gear, since it'll just be gone in a few months anyway. Seeing as the game is basically free to play with Gold instead of Gametime, I can actually enjoy the month I "pay" for. $15 feels wasted on a content drought, and they STILL have not given me a fucking alpha/beta invite, so they get no money from me outside of buying Legion and maybe a ticket for the movie.
All I really do anyway is farm for transmog and mounts, and I make 50k gold quick enough in four weeks to pay for my tokens, so it's justifiable to keep playing.
>>336259618
I hope it makes the game better, but I'm not holding my fucking breath. Blizzard just fucking sucks now. Any developer/designer of value left long ago.
>>336259618
I was cautiously optimistic until the recent blue post confirmed warriors dead.
>>336260205
Please share.
Warrior is one of the classes I was getting to 100 for possible use in Legion.
>>336259716
Soo you want it to be good, but you are sceptical?
Good. I just hate people who literally want wow to fail just because it's a different game to 2004 Vanilla.
WoW is a very different game today, but it can be a good game albeit very different and appealing to a different crowd, just because it's not quite your brand of tea anymore doesn't mean it should fail.
>>336260365
that isn't what he said nigga.
>>336260321
Disregard hi. That's the wow player base attitude. If there are 11 classes, at any given time 10 of them are worthless and 1 is super mega imba. They have no other way to view balance.
Unholy getting a lot of love in alpha so far. I was skeptical of the new 1 rune system but the spec flows nicely with it. Dark Arbiter does retarded amounts of damage too. Not like BoS but the pooling RP gameplay for it is there.
>>336261345
Doesn't Unholy have the option of attacking entirely from range now? Or was that just a temporary thing/bug?
>Theaters will offer you the game, one month of gameplay, plus 4 Transmog Weapons for seeing the Warcraft movie
>Begging this hard for people to see your shit movie
>>336261251
>If there are 11 classes, at any given time 10 of them are worthless and 1 is super mega imba
Mage. It's always mage.
>>336261546
It's a talent. Clawing Shadows. Does full shadow damage instead of the physical/shadow portion that SS does. Good for fights where you're moving a lot or out of range of the boss. Tuning isn't done so I doubt it becomes better than SS. Likely a situational ability. Nice for questing though.
http://blizzheart.com/en/wow/theaters-will-offer-you-the-game-and-4-transmog-weapons/
Warcraft Movie ticket will add 1 month + WoD to your account.
Will this workout for Blizzard or just make them bleed out money?
>>336262224
It's a great strat to boost numbers before the quarter.
>>336258050
>bloodthrist didn't crit
>enrage
>>336225146
The true portrait of Christ was vanilla WoW. You're missing the part where TBC was a net loss for the game due to way too many gimmicks. The addition of arenas was obviously a good thing but holy shit they really ruined everything with flying mounts, inflated item values, etc.
They basically set the bar so high with that one xpac that every one after it needed a boatload of gimmicks, new cities, and a complete retooling of the game.
Fast forward to today with WoD and look at what we got: le garrison. The garrison was the killing blow to the community aspect of WoW where people at least wanted to go out into the world to farm mats so that they could sell them in the city while they wait on queues.
>>336227206
>Vanilla
>shit class balance
No.
>>336263884
>net loss
>more subs
ok
>>336255270
>no mages standing in fire
You've never played this game have you? :^)
>>336264142
I mean net loss in terms of game quality. I guess I shouldn't have picked a businessy term.
>>336211405
End game will be good but class will suck, there will be like 4 fun dps specs at launch and 2 fun healer spec at launch but disc will be nerfet in oblivion in raid patch.
There will also tanking will be problematic because new system will relay more on healer and when MoP/WoD boys will flok legion expecting things will be same it will be legendary shit storm in forums when HC clearing rate is like 30%.
>>336264591
>I mean net loss in terms of game quality
no
>>336260321
Fury's rotation bloat due to BT's crit being stuck in the new Wild Strike and Enrage only being 4 seconds, it's this rare class that actually have too many buttons that have to compete for way too short windows. Arms is hit Slam until CS resets.
>>336259618
Unlike most shills (on each side) I'm actually being all comfy in the Alpha with my guild so I actually tried the content firsthand.
As far as I can remember with all the other ones, the release of Legion will be the expansion with more content than any other one as soon as Raids/Mythic+ dungeons open
It's all about for how long the World Quests will be able to stay appealing, rep+profession quests included
>>336262224
Giving out transmog literally costs nothing to them, they already give wod for free to everyone, and they have free trial accounts anyway. I'm assuming the one free month is just for new players too.
I'll wait for the movie to release then try out WoD, make some money and play a month or two into Legion, see if I like it.
>>336225545
You know how shitty current devs must feel, there is only handful of original wow devs left, and new team just wanna make fun game only be bombarded that original was way better.
>>336217387
>5 mil
By now it's less than 3m, and an overwhelming majority of that number is chinese players with atleast 3 seconds of game time remaining on their account that hasn't been spent because they haven't logged in and played yet.
>>336225545
>10 million people come back, drop it immediately after they see what a pile of shit modern wow has become
Implying they came back from Vanilla? Nigga you retarded? WoW had 10+ mil even in Cataclysm, that stands for Modern Wow already.
> only press Blizzard gets is when they shut down the 12 year old version of their game which became too successfu
> 7000 average concurrent playerbase
Less than a High Pop. server.
> 150'000 total active account in the past month,
Even circlejerking about "wow just 3 mil players now, totally dead", still 1/20th of WoW's playerbase.
800'000 lifetime registered accounts
> Retal WoW has more than 40 million.
> too successful
>>336228098
Blizz did't make Garro likable because some players would fell bad to defeat him if he was well developed character. Look at Sylvanas, in wotlk/cata it looked like she might be boss some day, but they can't make her boss whiteout huge out cry of her fanboyz
>>336267107
For an illegal server with no advertising where anyone who plays could lose all the time they put into it at any time yes, it's impressive they grew from 0 to almost a million in a year.
>>336215253
Hey somebody made a post for a game I don't like. Time to call them a shill and make another DS3/BB thread
>>336267473
When you went and looked at WoW Private server lists sites Nostalrius was always at the top3 listed, either for total players or for player growth at the start
Between private servers it was advertised all right
>>336268479
Yeah but that's nothing compared to the kind of advertising Blizzard can do. It only reaches people who are already inclined to play on private servers, which is a pretty niche audience desu.
