looking for a good mmo time sink so i can stop playing csgo
> wow is ruined
> dragon ball mmo somehow shut down after 5 seconds of being released
> elder scrolls mmo sucks
> lord of the rings mmo sucks too
what do i do
>>336162981
>> dragon ball mmo somehow shut down after 5 seconds of being released
What?
FF XIV?
>>336162981
have you tried rift or neverwinter? I hear those are ok.
my timesink however is path of exile.
>>336162981
FFXIV heavensward or Destiny.
elder scrolls is ok
I've actually been playing destiny a lot lately.
I'm personally trying Runescape again, it's been pretty decent so far.
Butt what about the lewd mods for WOW
Wait for legacy wow servers.
Have you considered picking up a hobby? MMOs are merely timesinks.
>>336162981
FFXIV is a big time sink if you plan on leveling multiple jobs on one character, I got 3000 hours in that game and I only have 7 jobs at 60 out of 20 something.
Eve online
>>336163302
Playing video games is a hobby.
>>336163206
old school right
>>336163436
Why does everyone love oldschool so much other than muh nostalgia?
>>336163302
hobbies are equally as pointless timesinks
>>336163268
epic meme
Not too familiar with MMOs, but I hear Dungeons & Dragons Online is alright. Also, FF14. In years past, Guild Wars, Warhammer Online, and FF11, but I think Warhammer got shut down.
>>336163528
Are you retarded?
>MMO
LOL
>>336163503
EOC sucks cock.
Legacy mode on RS3 makes you weaker than everyone else.
PKing is dead on RS3
Deathtouched darts made it so I got my firecape with no effort.
Removed all sense of achievement from the game because they cum xp all over you
People only play RS3 because they don't want to start over.
>>336163786
What's a useful hobby? More useful than playing video games? Let's see who the retard is.
>>336162981
You go play FF14
WoW is still the best MMO. In this cesspool genre.
>>336163934
reading, making music, woodworking, spelunking
>>336162981
EVE
>>336162981
FFXIV
>>336163146
>>336162981
Rift is a good F2p MMO in a similar vein as WOW, dunno how well the raiding community has held up since F2p, but I am sure you can still find raiders.
Neverwinter is f2p, can be very fun, has decent pvp, but has lots of pay wall issues and gimmicky shit involving currency.
Skyforge is a decent F2p MMO that is instanced and action oriented. Again, lots of currency shit and limits but I find it very fun.
As far as Pay, ff14 is decent, and if you really want a second job and are patient and adventurous, try EVE. you'll love it or hate.
>>336163934
So I guess you were the real retard
>>336163934
Gunsmithing.
>>336164010
reading- I read on videogames. Videogames are social. Sitting in front of a book creates anti-social tendencies and gives you no real-world skills.
Making music - everything you could possibly write has already been created or done better. there are more people who make money from videogames than from making music.
Woodworking- useless skill. it just gives you the illusion of being productive. in reality, noone wants your birdhouses.
spelunking - huge waste of time, dangerous, need people to go with you every time, can just watch videos.
wow is still good guys
MU Online
>>336164610
not even a real hobby. costs thousands to get into. Can just buy guns which are more reliable and cheaper
>>336164657
Epic photoshop bro
>>336163528
Let's be real here; not all hobbies were created equal.
A hobby where you just consume other people's work is not on the same level as those where you create or learn something yourself.
Unless you're an American, creation trumps consumption every time.
>>336163436
I'm actually playing the latest version.
Back when Runescape was new I was just a wee lad and didn't touch much of Runescape's content at all, so I can't actually say if oldschool is better or not.
I've also heard Black Desert is decent. But if you're looking for something similar to WoW then don't bother, as it doesn't have dungeons or raids? Not sure how they keep people going but that's what I've heard
Oldschool runescape is the only one left. Sure its grindy as hell but what other games can you kill nerds and take their shit they took countless hours grinding for?
>>336164612
wew lad
>>336162981
Guild Wars 2
Wildstar
>>336164774
>costs thousands to get into
Are you honestly trying to say you have not spent thousands on vidya?
game is hard
>>336162981
Final Fantasy Rebirth
>>336164935
this, its free to play
>>336165031
Too bad there is almost nothing to do at max level.
>>336164935
>>336165103
Not so fast /gw2g/.
>>336164961
tens of thousands. you need a decent lathe, forge, probably a drill press, vices, welding kits, plastic molds, materials....and whatever else you need.
>>336165031
>ff fags try to make the game seem complex
>2.5 sec gcd
Isn't Tree of Savior becoming f2p sometime this month?
Anyone know if it's any good? I hear it's really grindy
>>336165263
I am the last bastion of justice.
HoT made pic related x2 worse where it sucks.
Gw2 gets worse every update.
Do not play Shillwars2.
Unless your a pedo or furry, then its your containment MMO.
>>336164910
Frank is so mediocre. I'll never understand why he caught on as a thing on this site. Plus, he's playing it really safe with his humour thing lately; making fun of rich white folks isn't exactly subversive or extreme.
>>336164612
>I read on videogames
Yeah garbage, if you learn anything from reading in a videogame it's about a made up world that has no effect on real life. Reading literature can make you smarter as well as teaching you about different cultures.
>everything you could possibly write has already been created or done better
That's not true and a fucking cop out, why don't you come up with a real reason? Any kind of creative outlet is good for your heatlh both in terms of emotion and intellect.
>woodworking is useless cuz noone wants to buy your birdhouse
This is again false, are you actually retarded? Are you really going to sit here and imply that nobody makes money on the side with woodworking? That's objectively false.
>spelunking huge waste of time
On top of giving you a sense of real life adventure it also makes for good exercise and is very healthy
Now let's see what benefits you get from an MMO
>teamwork, something that can be obtained from playing sports, which teach you objectively better teamwork since there is a higher skill ceiling
>....
I mean, you can pretend that spending hundreds of dollars and hours to get to level 100 in a game means something, but the truth is that it doesn't mean anything.
>>336164974
see ^^
>>336165103
>>336165263
Just play GW1, it's better
>>336164864
that's subjective. one can argue that learning a language on rosetta stone is consumption of a product. Is building a birdhouse really more productive?
Is pouring candle wax into molds really better than re-creating the titanic in minecraft?
>>336165263
oh no
an mmo isn't full of straight people
whatever will I do
big fucking deal
>>336165279
Orrrrr, you could buy fucked up guns for cheap, and then spend the time learning to fix them.
Buying only the items and parts you need, as you need, over a period of 15 years, until you have built up a good workshop.
You do not have to go full autist, you are basically talking about getting an FFL and setting up shop.
>>336164462
>>336162981
whatever happened to archage?>
i had so much fun with that game.
the pvp was probably my favorite
and the builds were a lot of fun to customize
>>336162981
Try Wildstar I have leveled a few characters up and I'm enjoying it so far.
>>336165512
You are indeed correct. I was thinking on limited binaries without taking into account the nuances of things. You could arguably be more creative in a video game than when you painted a picture, for instance.
>>336165683
I think it ended up being pay to win, the cash shop had a lot of options for improving performance.
>>336165683
i played archeage and once I got to max level I got bored. You really have to find a good community to enjoy it the most and I wasn't able to do so.
>>336165263
>only responses to the trans dialogue: wow so brave, thank you for your service, you are amazing and special in every way
Gets me every time.
>>336165437
>reading literature can teach you about different cultures.
Waste of time. I can watch so many history channel episodes and save so much time. or I can read a summary on wikipedia and save hours.
ok heres a real reason music is a waste of time- its an arbitrary instrument that plays sounds when you press it. you might as well be learning a fisher price toy, spending hundreds of hours tinkering with an object.
Very few people make money woodworking. Wood is an outdated material. it's heavy, not weather resistant, and expensive. I'd rather go to ikea and buy something cheap and light.
walking on a treadmill and pushups are good exercise too. no caves required.
>>336165930
thats too bad.
i remember i payed for 1 month of sub and got so much shit done and was set.
>>336165591
with 0 real-life application. guns are very simple devices, any idiot can fix a gun.
>>336165565
Tumblr is that way.
>>336163113
>>336163180
he asked for a good MMO
>>336165591
you expect to spend 5-10 hours a day fixing guns? unless you run the repair division for smith+wesson that seems unlikely.
And repetative and boring
>>336163113
weeb shit
Official legacy servers soon desu
>>336162981
eve is the ultimate time sink
>>336166078
You still haven't explained how MMOs are better than any of those or how they're not a waste of time in general.
I even gave you teamwork, effectively helping your argument, which of course you're trying to make completely one-sided by treating your assumptions as facts. But of course as I said above the teamwork experienced through sports in real life is much more rewarding and usable than any teamwork you learn in an MMO.
Don't go near GW2, utterly uninteresting
>>336164867
play old school. its actually better.
>>336165031
>ability spam
>rotations
>Skill
Fuck that, WOW was better when it was about reactionary roles rather then DPS rotations, every MMO that has copied that gameplay style is clunky shit, even "action" MMOs that just got rid of auto attack
>>336165263
Fantasy worlds attract strange people. In other news, bears still shit in woods.
>>336166501
Chill blizzdrone, nobody wants to play your shitty MMO.
>>336166860
OK simple. you can spend more time playing an MMO.
You would go crazy reading for 5-10 hours every single day.
You would go crazy writing music for 5-10 hours every single day.
You would go crazy woodworking for 5-10 hours every single day.
It's not possible to go spelunking for 5-10 hours every single day.
It is possible to play MMOs for 5-10 hours a day. they have variety and a social aspect. They don't require daylight or good weather and are relatively cheap. That's why its a better hobby.
>>336166348
I agree. Hence why I am saying it is a good starting point.
>>336166535
Do you not understand what a hobby is?
>>336166078
>Waste of time. I can watch so many history channel episodes and save so much time. or I can read a summary on wikipedia and save hours.
It's hilarious when people legit think this kind of shit puts them on the same level as professor's or even just people who research things thoroughly.
This unwarranted confidence in one's intellect is a really obvious symptom of the wiki generation.
>>336167162
FF14 is a shittier MMO
Its seriously not good. That's coming from an avid MMO player who's tried both.
>>336167321
learning is outdated. the information I can get online is far more reliable than something a professor remembers from school 20-50 years ago.
Just play comfy indie MMOs.
They still have all the bullshit you love and hate about MMOs, but aren't skinnerbox linear grinds.
>>336167326
>FF14 is a shittier MMO
-Lots of content
-Lots of QOL content
-People still plays the old content
-Progressive progression and not just "level up to 60 and do the last Raid :D"
-Wide variety of jobs
-FF fanservice at every corner
Much better than FacebookMMo that today is WoW.
>>336167321
What's more useful though? reading a 500 page book on one civilization full of fluff words that takes, lets say 5 days to get through... or watching 150 hours of history channel specials?
>>336167673
>QOL content
Dropped
The only reason why people play the old content is because its still new and hasn't nerfed its EXP grind to death
And "progressive end game" doesn't mean shit if you have LFR.
>>336167683
>history channel
Are you actually being serious? Isn't it obvious that they're entertainment first, maybe some learning a distant second? It's watered down and simplified for viewer gratification.
Might be good for a shallow overview of a subject, but you're not going to come away knowledgeable.
>>336167673
>lots of content
Every game ever made.
lots of QOL content
Every mmo ever made
people still plays the old content
Every mmo ever made
Progressive progression
every mmo ever made, and you literally said nothing
wide variety of jobs
like professions in every mmo ever made
FF fanservice
fanservice ike every game ever made
You literally said nothing. I'll trump everything you said actually.
At least WoW and 90% of other main mmos have voiced NPCs
>>336167169
Lol ok so you're retarded, now it makes sense.
We're talking about HOBBIES not JOBS. If you're spending 5-10 hours a day on your hobby then it isn't a hobby anymore.
You just need to accept the fact that you waste your life on a worthless timesink anon, if something happens to your savefile or whatever then bam that's it, there goes all your progress. If I read a book and then someone burns it, I still have the knowledge retained in my mind unless I get some brain disease or something and if you're going to actually try and use that for your argument then it effects playing an MMO the same way.except any braindead idiot can play an MMO
>>336167993
>FFXIV is like every other mmo ever made
>but it's shit because it doesn't have voiced NPCs
>>336167993
>At least WoW and 90% of other main mmos have voiced NPCs
So does FFXIV you retard.
WoWfags are so salty about FFXIV it's pathetic.
>>336167993
nigga do you want squeenix tier voice overs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0
>>336165930
>rush to max
>tell people this
>people tell me to fuck off and that it's not pay to win because you don't need to reroll gear
>months later people find out I was right
>get no credit
I BROKE THAT STORY.
>>336167915
the overview that a person would get of several topics would be more valuable than the recollection of someone who read a 500 page book.
Watching a TV show generally holds attention better, most books can be dry and hard to absorb at times.
>>336167831
>And "progressive end game" doesn't mean shit if you have LFR.
But you have to gear up or you can't go into the raid. And to gear up you have to follow the same road everybody does
lvl60 dungeons > Alex1-4 > LVl60 hard dungeons > Dark Void > Alex 5-8 > Extremes
>>336167993
>lots of QOL content
>Every mmo ever made
Being able to take selfies and post directly on twitter and fb is not "QOL".
>>336168157
we're not the ones who are so insecure we come on /v/ and beg people to play our shitty weeb game.
I don't even play WoW anymore. I'm objectively saying FF14 sucks cock.
And the FF14 I played didn't have voiced NPCs. So idk what game you played unless they patched it recently
>>336165361
Please respond to this
>>336168370
patching the UI is QOL
Removing bugs is QOL
everything is QOL
Every MMO on planet earth does patches.
>>336168135
Yes, he provided 0 points as to why FF14 is better than anything else.
So I listed one reason because I'm lazy.
>>336162981
>playing call of strike global duty
>while Rainbow 6 Siege is a thing
top fucking kekeke
>>336168116
people don't spend 5 hours a day doing hobbies?
Everything is a worthless timesink.
I can argue that if my save files go, at least I'll retain the experience.
Any braindead idiot can learn any hobby.
>>336168261
Valuable if you wanted to impress your mother or dullards with History 101 maybe.
To actually be taken seriously you'd have to read a lot of 'dry' books, articles, journals and web pages.
>>336167483
what game
>>336167993
>At least WoW and 90% of other main mmos have voiced NPCs
What?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoM4YtSeVY4
>>336168516
>at least we dont have to beg people to play our game
because wow shills aren't a thing right, either way try both out and see what you like more
Play old school runescape to experience the nostalgia that might not be there for you if you hadn't played it as a kid.
>>336168116
>trying so hard to be cultured
>wah my hobby is better than yours
if he wants to play an mmo, why do you care? mind your own fucking business and have fun reading your books instead of trying to force people to do what you like.
>>336168595
>>336165361
its f2p from the start
its just that backers can play sooner
>>336169156
fuck you faggot he said >>336163934 and I fucking answered him
go fuck yourself you whiny little shit, if you're so easily offended by the idea that MMO's are a huge waste of time and money then you obviously agree with me
do what you like, but don't pretend it's somehow beneficial to anything outside of your constant desire for instant gratification through the guise of "levelling up" and "getting sweet gear"
Atlantica Online
>>336169530
look at him go
>>336169137
FF14 shills are much more annoying and aggressive.
I've played FF14 for 6 months and WoW.
I can say that FF14 sucks cock from an educated perspective.
>>336169530
every hobby on planet earth is a huge waste of time and money. Equally so. MMOs are no less of a waste of time than anything else.
>>336169530
>fuck you faggot
>go fuck yourself you whiny little shit
sounds like you're the one whining. you're obviously underage and have autism, sorry other people don't love your hobby. cry more kiddo.
>>336169079
>cutscenes are voiced
Groundbreaking.
>>336168964
>spending 100s of hours preparing for a deep discussion in the off-chance you meet someone who has also spent 100s of hours studying the same exact topic you spent 100s of hours studying
>>336169530
>look how many swear words I know! ;D XD :)
the star wars one free
the ragnarok clone is free
>>336169530
you are going to die one day and all of your endeavors will be forgotten by everyone
>>336162981
Runescape
>>336162981
Small man on a submarine doesn't notice the giant woman looking in.jpg
>>336169790
>>336170067
>>336170074
>>336171009
>>336171079
>all this butthurt
>still nobody giving any good arguments to defend MMOs
>underage actually resorting to the "you and everyone will die" response
loving every (you)
>>336169941
Anyone who talks like you do is not educated at all and is in fact a retard.
FACT - People who shitposting FFXIV and claim it isn't the best MMO are morons.
FACT - People who shitpost FFXIV and claim it isn't the best MMO are anally devastated WoWfags.
FACT - FFXIV is the best MMO at the moment, with the most content, the best overall aesthetic, the best music, the best story, and the best franchise behind it.
>>336162981
Nostfags are literally Goobergate 2.0
>WoW
>Ruined
Sorry, it's never been better. Stop living in the past.
>>336170580
Yeah those NPCs in WoW that rehash the same generic one liners for all of them sure are amazing :^)
>>336167673
I recently started FFXIV and have been having a blast. It's all thanks to /v/ too. I love how you can be every class on one character instead of having multiple alts. It makes a real connection between me and the character I'm leveling with.
>>336162981
Blade and soul is pretty good. The combat is highly active like in a fighting game where you really have to dodge and block incoming attacks. The questing is easy and fast with some more challenging bosses inbetween. Has a decent story too at the start. I don't know how the endgame is, but the leveling was enjoyable
>>336171991
which is why you sound like a north korean talking about kim jung un
>Hating FFXIV
>When this exists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkMfJBDFZM
>>336172369
why did you screenshot that? you're giving him too much attention just ignore him
Wurm Unlimited desu. /v/ has been playing for months now consecutively and now we have our own private server ran by /v/ but open to pubs as well.
Server's name is The Virgin Islands if you care
>>336162981
Kronos II
>inb4 nostalgiafag
I'm just playing it because it's free
>>336172118
at least when you talk to a quest giver, they say something. I don't remember but im pretty sure that they read the quest to you.
Again, for the 100th time, I don't play WoW... Idk what you're trying to prove to me? That a game I don't play sucks? okay.
I am telling you, as an ex FF14 player that your game isn't good. In fact, it's bad.
>>336171074
>not the good star wars game
rip
>>336172839
As long as you're having fun then it's fine. I only played Nost because it was free too. I could give a flying fuck if retail gets legacy servers or not, because I sure as hell am not going to pay to play an old ass game.
>>336172250
sounds like someone who is typing with a gun held to their head
>>336172578
Stay mad WoWfag.
>>336167993
>>wide variety of jobs
>like professions in every mmo ever made
Except professions have been a problem for most MMOs, especially modern WoW.
>>336163195
Destiny has nothing that is considered as timesink. fuck off, destiny is shit. Plain shit.
And he said mmo, so fuck off you ignorant twat.
BTW, destiny has 1 stat, 1 bloody stats and basically zero class variation. Did you ever played neocron 2 by any chance¿ don't answer, you underaged faggot.
>>336173045
>at least when you talk to a quest giver, they say something. I don't remember but im pretty sure that they read the quest to you.
In WoW? No they absolutely fucking do not. They just regurgitate generic one-liners in the same voice for almost every single NPC of that race. Only a few significant NPCs have their own unique voices in WoW.
>>336163061
The fact that you missed it was proof enough.
Rumor mill says parts of it was reused in the newest Dragonball game
>>336173517
>>336173386
I don't play WoW. I got bored with it after many years.
I used to play FF14. It's a terrible game. I got bored with it after 6 months. It's actual shit. I'd rather pay to have a cactus inserted in my dickhole than spend another dime on that mess of a MMO.
Have fun with your clunky awkward mmo. Actually don't. Have fun sitting on forums convincing people to play your clunky awkward mmo.
>>336164612
>>336173242
Not really. I'menjoyingmyself. The cutscenes are better than WoW, it has better droprates which are drops always happen instead of me killing hundreds of zebras only to find out none of them have hooves. The only bad part of it all is having to get used to the new terms, like duties instead of instances.
>>336164612
>>336164010
Fuck off I'd buy his bird houses. Birds need to have affordable living too you cunt.
>>336164612
(You)
>>336173530
ok, whatever lol. at least they say something... not silence.
>>336173806
>buyer's remorse: the post
>>336173806
>>336174404
I actually am guilty of shilling for FFXIV. I felt like shit that I spent $70 on it near release, so I tried telling my friends it was better than WoW and posted on /v/ to get people to talk about it.
I grew up since then and quit the game
>>336174404
Can't admit others like games that you're not interested in? It's a shocker. You tell us then, what's the best MMO?and it better not be Vanilla WoW
>>336174780
you should be asking the other people here who relentlessly claim FF14 is better than WoW
and they guy above saying "FACT - People who shitpost FFXIV and claim it isn't the best MMO are anally devastated WoWfags."
What a hypocrite.
>turning juegos into a job
How about
Uncharted 2
Killer 7
Hatsune Miku Project Diva F 2nd
Play these, let me know what you think.
>movie game
>pretentious game
>anime trash
THATS A COOL OPINION MAN THATS A REALLLY FUCKIING ORIGINAL IDEA YOU HAVE THERE MAN THE REFINED TASTE YOU EXHIBIT I AM IN AWWW DUUUUUDE
>>336174701
good thing I only spent 60 for both core game and expansion. I'm havingfun. I'm sorry you couldn't find enjoyment in it.
>>336174965
>short linear-shit
>pretentious garbage
>idol-shit
>>336174040
Yeah reading sure is hard, generic shitty dialogue rehashed across all NPCs sure is better than actually well written non-voiced dialogue. :^)
Oh yeah, FFXIV's cutscenes are voice by the way, and the writing is better than the rubbish you find in WoW by a long shot.
>>336174954
I was an avid wow player and am now enjoying FFXIV due to the state wow is in now. I'll admit that WoW combat is a lot more crisp, but I personally like the feel of FFXIV. Maybe it's because I'm fresh to the game that hasn't treated me like a beaten housewife.
Still. I'd like to know. What MMO do you think is better?
>>336174954
>you should be asking the other people here who relentlessly claim FF14 is better than WoW
Only because WoWfags relentlessly shitpost FFXIV with outright lies to try to get people not to play it so they don't lose anymore players from their sinking ship.
>>336169043
haven and hearth, senpai
>>336175128
>subjectivity: the post
>>336173658
It was up for a decent amount of time. Had an english patch and all that, I played it to cap and unlocked super saiyan but that was as far as i got.
It was a fun novelty, but a shit game.
>>336175183
'07 Scape
>>336175239
I've played both games and FF14 sucks dong.
I quit WoW and I'm telling you FF14 is terrible.
>>336164010
>spelunking
>useful
Yeah, getting some cave named after you because you died climbing down a tiny hole for no reason sure is useful
>MMO defenders are complete cancer
How did I not make this connection before? Of course the most bitter people are ones that waste insane amounts of time and money on literally nothing, it's so obvious.
>>336175779
It's not. Have fun with your autistic quest of trying to convince the world of that though.
>>336171814
>underage actually resorting to the "you and everyone will die" response
are they wrong? as long as death and decay exist everything that you do is equally as meaningless, you could argue that more people benefit from a hobby like woodworking or making music but does that really make a difference?
>>336175917
It's goo exercise as well
Ya know I'm still waiting for someone to give a good reason for MMOs not being a complete waste of time, nobody has given one yet everyone is just being bitter reactionaries.
>>336165437
nothing means anything retard.
>>336167673
High quality shitpost
>>336176013
Have fun with your autistic quest of trying to convince the world that FF14 is actually worthwhile instead of playing your shitty game.
Try not to cry too much from buyer's remorse.
>>336176016
Of course he isn't wrong, it's an objective fact that everyone will die and every trace of my achievements and endeavors will one day cease to exist. I was just making fun of the fact that instead of trying to give some kind of argument he was just resorting to "nothing matters" as if that benefits anybody or furthers the discussion.
>>336176081
>nothing means anything retard.
Did you seriously just type this out? Holy fuck
>>336169530
You reading books is beneficial to no one and is just gratification of your desires, friendo.
>>336176206
>>336176206
>instead of playing your shitty game.
But I'm literally playing it right now and enjoying myself.
>>336176265
it does further the discussion.
Everything is equally pointless, so people should just spend their time how they wish.
No hobby is more useful than the other, therefore everything is equally useless.
>>336176354
>look how much fun im having guys!
>here let me screenshot the fun im having
>look at how many fun hours i spent on my fun game
>im having so much fun right now
>>336176567
Why do you hate fun?
>>336176719
you mean people desperately yearning for my validation?
In the vein of naming hobbies to get into. I recently started brewing beer. Cheap to get into, and you get some high quality beer at the end of your work. Plus you can share it with other people. Just finished drinking my latch batch, gonna brew another soon.
>>336176265
>I was just making fun of the fact that instead of trying to give some kind of argument he was just resorting to "nothing matters" as if that benefits anybody or furthers the discussion.
but isn't that kind of the argument there? that at the end of the day none of those thing are really more "important" than the others so shouldn't we just do what ever we enjoy most and spend our time that way? the only reason you think those things are any more of a valuable use of your time is because you apply some greater value to them, when in reality all of them are just ways to make our time on this planet feel like it had some form of purpose.
>>336176884
>literally playing World of Warcraft IRL by being a brewmaster
Wow. Grow up and realize that Vanilla wow is by far the greatest time ANYONE has ever had playing the game.
>>336174020
Made me chuckle
>open thread expecting actual discussion about multiple mmorpgs
>only wowfags and ff14fags arguing like stupid kids
thanks /v/
>>336176281
>read book
>analyze concept in book
>explain concept to other reader that missed the concept on their reading
>perhaps they can help elaborate on a concept I missed
>we're both intellectually stronger for having discussed and come to an understanding on said concept
there you go, friendo
>>336176447
you're pretending that everything eventually fading into nothing is somehow the equivalent of the here and now being pointless, which it isn't
if everything is equally pointless then how come spending 5-10 hours a day playing an MMO is more pointless than spending 5-10 hours cleaning up trash at your local park?
before you go full retard, let me explain that playing an MMO=spending money to waste time and cleaning up a park=potentially saving an animal's life that otherwise might have choked on the trash you picked up
next you're just going to say that that animal's life was pointless, but what if it was a chicken that was later slaughtered and used for food? then you'll probably say that it's pointless to eat or something because we're going to die anyway, but if you really believed that then you would kill yourself
FFXIV is a WoW reskin with a 2.5 sec GCD and zero open-world content, don't believe the shills.
Yes WoW is far from what it once was, but if you can get past all the garrison facebook bullshit, mythic dungeons / raids and high-level pvp are plenty satisfying.
TL;DR even though WoW is relatively shit now, it's still the best MMO.
You probably don't actually want to play an MMO.
>>336177237
but cleaning up trash is equally pointless. Some people enjoy having a clean park, so that's what they do.
its no different than me sitting in front of the computer.
Sure, it's all pointless. But that doesn't mean that anyone should end their life sooner.
That's like saying you might as well leave a movie before it starts because it will eventually end.
It's worthwhile to stay and enjoy yourself while it lasts.
>>336177004
are you discrediting the entire intellectual evolution of the human race? you do realize that the work of our ancestors is what led us to where we are now in terms of scientific advancements, if you consider the entire of human achievement worthless then whatever but some of us try to get something out of life
I mean if everything is so pointless then why spend time playing an MMO? If nothing matters then why aren't you risking your life for some adventurous thrills or going out and hitting on every beautiful woman you see?
the fact is that a lot of you fuckers will sit here and use the "nothing matters" argument to justify spending months worth of time in front of your computer just to level up a character that doesn't exist, when in reality you don't actually believe that "nothing matters"
>>336177187
this
Mabinogi is a pretty comfy MMO.
>>336163369
Eve Online, seconded.
>>336177237
>intellectually stronger by circle jerking over a books concepts or """"""""""""" deeper meanings """""""""
lol
>>336177810
spreadsheet simulator
>>336177187
the mmo genre is filled with too much cynicism and bitterness for any real discussion to be had
>>336177237
>it's pointless to eat or something because we're going to die anyway, but if you really believed that then you would kill yourself
you're not wrong, life doesn't have a point and there is no real reason not to kill yourself. the only reason we all don't just drop dead is because we mostly find being alive to be more enjoyable than being dead, so if were not in a rush to die why not spend it doing stupid shit like playing mmos or picking up trash in a park
>>336177649
It is different from you sitting in front of the computer though
>sit in front of a computer all day
>nothing happens but you lost money
vs
>clean up a park
>potentially save the life of an animal
Can you really not see the point I'm trying to make here? I mean you can sit here and tell yourself that you sitting in front of a computer is the equivalent of Goncharov writing Oblomov, but the fact is that it isn't and that people around the world have benefitted in some way from one while nobody, including yourself, has benefitted from the other.
>>336177870
Are you implying that this isn't true?
>>336168516
>objectively
stop anon just stop
>>336177187
People dismiss every other MMO as a grindfest or p2w. Most MMO's don't really appeal to /v/ so I have no idea why they keep talking about them.
EVE is harsh on day one, and stays that way," Syncaine writes. "WoW holds your hand from 1-85, and makes sure you get a cookie regardless if you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place."
>>336173780
Play it now they improved it ALOT
>>336177662
At least I can spend months in front of my computer, unlike the tribesmen on the nile river.
Or babies who die after birth.
There's no greater meaning to life. The objective in life isn't to make yourself better. God doesn't have a plan for you.
It's literally to do whatever you want, and reproduce.
>>336162981
FF14 While being weeb shit is actually decent as a time sink. Played it for a month while i waited for ds3. Its pretty fun. Never got to end game stuff though but just as something to do while bored it was good.
>>336162981
subscribe toesea xd
MMOs are shit nowasays. I just spend my time playing a MapleStory private server and Tree of Savior.
>>336178338
lol? heavensward is far worse than vanilla ffxiv so you must be delusional
>>336178046
and you could be immune to hiv and by catching it, you could provide the human race with the perfect antibodies to make the cure.
It's arbitrary. see >>336178340
There's no higher purpose to anything.
>>336177992
sure, you can bring a drake
>>336163061
There was a Korean only dragonball mmo called Dragonball Online. It was a fun time killer. There is a group bringing it back in all English called Dragonball Online Revelations. >>336163113
>>336178340
Are you implying that pintless=do whatever you want and reproduce? If those are the things that define human existence then it's obviously not pointless, you just listed two points that go against your own argument for life being pointless.
Entertainment is pointless, reproduction is pointless, life is pointless according to someone that thinks like you do. So you still haven't given a good reason for not killing yourself (and no I don't mean that in a snarky "an hero fgt" way) by admitting that being alive is better than being dead you are also admitting that there is a point to life otherwise you wouldn't choose to carry it out. I don't think you actually believe what you're saying.
>>336178821
its pointless so make your own points. And reproduction is obviously a goal, as seen in every species to ever exist. However it too, is pointless but its the closest thing we have to meaning in regards to our existence.
That's like saying you might as well leave a movie before it starts because it will eventually end.
It's worthwhile to stay and enjoy yourself while it lasts.
The reason to not kill yourself is that you enjoy experiences, but that itself is not a point to life.
>>336179171
cont.
Similiar to how I enjoy videogames. I enjoy myself while playing them, however they are pointless.
just because they are pointless doesn't mean I'm not going to play.
>>336177662
I really dont know how you can fail to understand this after having it explained to you so much. NONE of the things you listed are any more of a meaningful use of my time than the other, you only think they are. You're making the mistake of confusing your opinion with what is objectively true, and that is the fact that there is no greater reason to exist outside of the ones we come up with for ourselves, and if that happens to be playing shitty MMOs for hours on end, then so be it
Play EVE Online if you want something with some depth, it's not easy. The first journalist to ever log in to the game got shot down in the first 30 seconds of flight, it's not forgiving. When you die you lose everything you had on your ship, forever. It's like if you died in WoW and lost all your armor, mount and anything else you had equipped.
>>336178776
oh yeah I vaguely remember that. I was wondering what had happened to it.
>>336178641
No it isn't. When will retards stop trying to force this meme?
>>336162981
All MMO's suck unless you play with someone else. Period.
That's why most MMO's suck right now, they traded community for easy service. They're time sinks, and unless you're a really boring cunt those shouldn't be fun without other people you know.
>"You don't need to form a raid party (let alone a guild), just que up and go to town!"
>"Specialized classes with buffs to maximize the group? Fuck that! everyone can do everything now!"
>"Even if a class gives specific buffs, the enemies are easy enough to where you don't fucking need to match buffs accordingly!"
>"We also made the boss mechanics so easy you don't even need to be working with the same people to get to a high level of coordination"
>>336178152
Doing something like that isn't really going to translate outside of what you're specifically doing - that is over-analyzing a certain type of book/text, and forming and telling others coherent thoughts. Thing about skills is they're very specialized, and are rare to translate over to other skills/fields that aren't exceedingly similar. Maybe that's a big part of what you consider "intellectualism", but for a STEM person (the epitome of intellectualism), that isn't going to be too useful.
>>336179358
I enjoy playing videogames as well, which is why I'm on this board. I'm not arguing against videogames, I'm arguing against devoting a ridiculous amount of time to them, specifically MMOs that are more often than not just instant gratification machines designed to weasel you out of money by giving you the false sense of progress. If real life with its myriad of possibilities and unpredictable outcomes is pointless, then a virtual world with limited possibilities and outcomes is only more pointless in my opinion.
>>336179369
You're also assuming that your opinions are objectively true as well, we don't know what happens after death and whether or not life has any effect on it so it makes just as much sense to believe that doing something in life will lead to a higher purpose as it does to believe that doing nothing will not matter because there is nothing after death that is impacted by the choices we make in life.
If you consider humanity as a whole to be pointless then more power to you, but I personally believe that it is a waste of time to hold such opinions and devote oneself to not giving a damn about the world around us. Do what you will, but keep in mind that one day you'll die and when you do you'll evaluate your entire life in one moment and that one moment will reveal to you something you never understood before, but it will be too late to put that new understanding to use. My advice: find the understanding now and live it.
>>336180048
but for a STEM person (the epitome of intellectualism)
entirely subjective, but I don't have the time to further argue and I probably won't change your mind anyway so whatever
>>336180405
>circle jerking over books is intellectualism
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I find the thought of someone thinking this funny.
>>336180664
in the same way I find it funny that someone would devote themselves to studying engineering so they can figure out how to measure the qualities of soil in order for a McDonalds to be built on it
to each their own
>>336169941
same guy you've replied too i've played wow off and on for about 3-4 years and 14 since ARR release both have their problems but blizzard mainly outshines FF in that department since for some reason blizz does everything in it's power to piss their fans off and it shows, and for FF HW could have been a lot better at the start if yoshi and crew didn't take a break right when the game launched
>>336165683
I still play, but only because I sunk a couple hundred bucks into it. The game is kinda dead. The only server with any population is run by two guilds on either faction. Each of their members have dropped thousands if not tens of thousand on upgrades to just stomp kids all day. Kinda drove a lot of people out of the game.
Not to mention the labor system. Your ability to level up crafting, open loot chests that drop from mobs, pretty much everything is controlled by labor points which you generate 5 every 5 minutes. Some chests dropped cost 100 labor. So have fun literally doing one thing every two hours. It's not even pay to win, it is, but a better wording would be deposit another 10 dollars to keep playing.
Vindictus or Blade and Soul.
>>336180405
>assuming we aren't actively trying to enjoy life
None of us stare at walls and allow garbage to pile up. If we want to spend 24/7 on mmos, more power to us. If that's my definition of a satisfying life, then its my right.
The best analogy I can give is we're fish in a goldfish bowl in some waiting room with noone watching us. Nothing we could possibly do in our bowl will ever matter, its just not possible.
Who's to tell the fish in the bowl how to live his life?
And objectively, there is no higher purpose as discussed earlier. If there was, it would be incredibly cruel and unfair. It's like people from first world countries claiming god has a plan for everyone.
it's obviously not true looking at children suffering horrific fates and animals enduring unimaginable abuse.
>>336180405
So really at the end of all this we just have to agree that this discussion is just a matter of us having clashing opinions on existence and that both are equally viable views of it, go our separate ways, and admit that really we should have just focused on the video games instead?
>>336175917
I laughed really really really hard about this.
>>336181529
>And objectively, there is no higher purpose as discussed earlier. If there was, it would be incredibly cruel and unfair.
I never said it was fair, if there is a higher purpose then yes cruelty and unfairness will be a truth of the world and life as they always have been. Simultaneously, they are human constructs. Animals eat other animals babies and will rip them apart while still alive, are you really going to imply that those animals are cruel? They're simply working on instinct, there's no cruelty there.
>>336171991
>MFW Level 60 BLM
>Only able to enjoy the game when leveling in new content because I can actually have a bit of creativity while leveling
>Get sick of the game when it becomes Hotbar Flowchart Tome Grind: Maybe You'll Do Savage in 10 Months When Everyone's Made It Their Bitch
>Even if you were flawless you'd still probably be out DPS'd by a SMN despite being the Nuke Everything job
FACT - FFXIV is trash that's just WoW with a crystal coat of paint, I hear 1.0 was closer to XI but it got Bahamut rained down on it so I'll never know.
>>336182027
a baby with a leukemia is a human construct?
What purpose does the baby have? To teach the parents a lesson about life to post on facebook?
Meanwhile kids die of ebola in africa and frequently during childbirth
>>336164017
Well, it's definitely a time sink.
>>336182369
>>336182369
cont
My point being, it's incredibly narcissistic to think that there's a higher purpose, spiritual or otherwise to life.
"Everything happens for a reason" is wrong.
>>336182369
>>336182743
What I'm trying to say is that dying is a fact of life, the method of how one dies has nothing to do with life having purpose or not. I'm not arguing for God having some kind of grand plan that we all fall into like a puzzle piece, I'm just saying that the possibility of life having a higher meaning is very much possible and something we won't know until we die.
The parents of that poor baby feel grief on Earth and that is selfish, what does the baby feel now that it's gone? What if it has been welcomed into some kind of blissful nirvana that is undoubtedly better than the life it would have lived? Then it's selfish of the parents to wish that their baby had not died solely so that they wouldn't have to deal with the grief of losing a child. If the afterlife exists and it's better than the life we live now then it's ridiculous to mourn for people that have passed on into it as their exitence there is better than it was here for them, it's only our existence now that has become tainted due to the grief of loss.
Fan of the Occult? Like Dark Lore, Mythology, and also Secret Societies?
The Secret World, its got a bit of a pay wall for content and the game is poorly optimized but, HOLY SHIT Is the immersion great, I've had shit my pants fear moments and the story-writing is spot on as fuck with the lore provided.
It is what I've been investing my time in on the Roleplay Server which cross faction RP is a REAL thing.
Three sides to pick from:
The Illuminati: Basically what you'd imagine, America's biggest faces running the world as the Elite.
The Templar: European Born Crusaders who have a heavy focus on being the defends of the world.
The Dragon: Secret Asian Organization ALA Monks and Ninjas 'n shit with a Dragon Child Leader or something.
The Player base, also, is seriously chill as fuck, you can be brand new in Dungeons and you'll get guided through and if you make mistakes, people aren't gonna reem you for it.
>>336162981
dungeons and dragons online was pretty god iam suprised no one talks about it. classes actually had pretty distinct roles and later dungeons were pretty cool.
>>336163268
Never gonna happen.
>>336181126
>finding it funny that people would devote themselves to the things that have built modern society
bookfags, everyone.
>>336176035
Roleplay.
Gameplay (WoW's is plenty fine).
Persistent realm.
Economy (which most genres don't have).
>>336165683
Its playerbase got replaced by Black Desert, which isn't that much better to be honest
>>336164612
this is what autism looks like, friends.
>reading a book gives you no real-world skills
>should never learn to play music because someone is always going to be better
>woodworking is useless because it isnt productive
this is how you distinguish successful individuals from retarded NEETs who play vidya their whole lives.
Wildstar is pretty good, it's a shame no one plays it. They were too late with the fix updates.
>>336186060
I make 2k+ USD a month on my woodworking hobby alone, and I can quit my job whenever I wanted to NEET it up and live off that hobby and play videogame all day on the slow days. I find it hilarious that a mentally ill leech was looking down on that hobby, but it's okay. Not everyone can have craft of their own.
>>336186389
I stopped playing on launch because of leveling.
>>336182238
1.0 was awful.
And if you follow rotations you read online you're retarded and bad.
