Seed of a Giant Tree
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>Daily Reminder that most invaders are little bitches and will try to lure you to the enemies even when it's a 1 vs 1
>Daily Reminder to stop by the giant tree in firelink shrine everytime you kill one of these faggots to pick up another seed to make the enemies hostile towards the next casual who invades but can't fight you without becoming a ganksquad with the enemies
>Daily Reminder that most invaders are little bitches and will try to lure you to the enemies even when it's a 1 vs 1
You mean people invading will attempt to win the invasion ? Heaven forbid.
>>336138238
So I really like the seed of giants and I think it makes invasions a lot more fair. That being said the host typically has a phantom or two for backup so to balance things out I wish there was an item that invaders could use that would turn on friendly fire for hosts and phantoms. A reverse giant seed kind of.
I haven't encountered the seed yet. Couldn't invaders just aggro tons of enemies and lure them to the host?
>>336138431
I think the post is born from the frustration that most invaders currently express about the summon system juxtaposed against the attitudes they showed in previous games, where the deck was stacked against the host most of the time, except perhaps right at release of the game where you weren't invaded by twinks nonstop.
>>336139009
Enemies dont react to invaders at all under normal circumstances
>>336139009
yes they can
>use chameleon in the middle of a group of mobs
>host giant seeds
Joke's on you, niglord
you getting raped by invaders+mobs is payback for summoning a fucksquad of 4 people to steamroll your way through the game.
At this point the game allows for both sides to be shitters, so when someone invades or is invaded the only natural reaction is to be as shitty as possible to try and keep/get souls
>>336138431
I won't resort to cheap tactics unless the person I'm invading does. It costs me nothing to invade people, I can even do it while hollowed, they're the ones trying to progress through the level maybe with just a little more HP or they want to summon someone.
So unless they start chugging estus, I won't take a sip. If they're a gank squad with 4 guys trying to pound my ass, I'll run into a group of enemies to even out the fight. Other than that it's just good old simple pvp.
Even if you don't kill them you still likely inconvenienced them making them waste estus or you killed their phantom. PvP is supposed to be fun, but too many people are overly concerned with winning just so they can collect souls they'll never spend on anything.
Like a few NPC's is going to stop me from fucking with you and your 3 - 5 man gank squad.
I've got an obscuring ring, chameleon spell, a bow and know the lay out very well.
Don't even care if I win, seeing 4+ guys tiptoeing around the level, while I take out one player at the time is just gold.
>>336139817
>cheap tactics
That's the whole point. Your "honorable duel" bullshit is what the red soapstone is for.
>>336140420
Not that guy, but it's better for both parties if no estus is involved. Otherwise the invasion is most likely going to be as drawn out as fuck, because it's nearly impossible to keep somebody from healing if you hit them once or twice, so DaS3 invasion meta ends up being about estus racing your opponent if you can't get a quick, clean kill
>>336138431
I bet you're using the dark sword.
We all know that tripfags love big black things in their hands.
>>336140420
It's not an honorable duel. It's called having fun. And frankly, having to kill a guy 5 times over because he keeps chugging estus isn't very fun to me.
Red soapstoners are the people who min max their builds, munch grass before every fight, get mad if you attack while they're buffing their weapon, and will swap out their grass crest shield to the buckler to get dank ass paries half way through the hour long fight.
>>336140610
>DaS3 invasion meta ends up being about estus racing your opponent if you can't get a quick, clean kill
This is what I'm saying, though. You have to use tactics and be a little more clever than the host or things will become drawn out duels like this. Put whatever arbitrary limits on yourself that you please, but few things beat the quick and dirty of cornering a host in a tight squeeze and watching them realize they're done for. Planning and payoff.
>>336140869
>I bet you're using the dark sword.
With a quality build and bow, but that was on my first playthrough which was mostly PvE.
My current NG+ is Demon's Fist + full dragon stone, but I'm thinking of starting a new game as an INT build for more of a challenge.
>>336140923
>having to kill a guy 5 times over because he keeps chugging estus isn't very fun to me.
Then outplay him.
>start a new character
>try to stay low level so I can actually attempt to get gut at PVP without getting assraped in 3 hits
>equip way of the blue so I don't have to deal with farming silver knights
>about a summon every 10 minutes at level 23
>get summoned at the crab lake
>Host had used a seed so the giant crab is proceeding to beat the shit out of the invader.
>invader books it to the black knight
>after some juggling, the invader now has a black night, a giant crab, the cross hollow, AND the executioners going after him, all while the host uses Hidden Body to keep aggro off her
>DUTY FULFILLED
>Get summoned to the same host's world 3 more times in the next half hour
Easiest concords ever. Every time I joined, it was just the dark phantom getting wrecked by the black knight or machete/greatclub npcs. So satisfying to see it happen to them for a change.
>>336138431
hello dark sword fag. did i just kill you earlier in lothric castle?
>>336142537
see >>336141178
>My current NG+ is Demon's Fist + full dragon stone
I haven't played at all this weekend.
>>336142180
What's with that crab fuck
An invasion is not a duel, don't expect fairness from either side.
>>336141178
Please remove your trip. There's no reason to have one, friend.
>>336142793
>Please remove your trip.
No, thank you.
>here's no reason to have one, friend.
There are plenty.
>>336142949
Aaaand, filtered.
Just remember, buckeroo; if you died, nobody would miss you.
>>336142793
>Getting assblasted over a Trip
>Getting assblasted nicely
/v/ is a weird place. Nothing really wrong with tripfaggotry besides some people bringing it up and using it as a derailment method.
Where does one even go to get Giant Tree seeds?
I've gotten 1 from that Giant Tree in Firelink, but it seems a tad wasteful to use it on the first Invader who tries to be a pussy, when I only have the one.
>>336143151
get invaded more, it's 50% spawn rate each invasion or smth. You can try farming them with NPC invasions and boss fog rushing
DARKWRAITHS ON SUICIDE WATCH
THIS WILL GET 400 REPLIES
IM TOO BUSY HAVING FUN WITH MY 2 IRL FRIENDS SUMMONED TO CARE ABOUT "MUH FAIR FIGHT"
>>336143030
>Aaaand, filtered.
You know, from my experience, people saying this usually don't do it.
>>336143151
>besides some people bringing it up and using it as a derailment method.
That's what I'm saying. They're shitposters who will use any flimsy excuse to derail a thread.
>it seems a tad wasteful to use it on the first Invader who tries to be a pussy, when I only have the one.
Keep checking in when you get invaded more. Only use it for someone who is really getting on your nerves.
>>336143151
After getting invaded there's a chance one will regrow at the tree. Check back every so often. You can have up to five at once but the tree will only supply one at a time.
btw what happened to the guy who was softbanning people yesterday?
Hahahhahahaha just black crystal out you morons, you won't die and give them another Estus charge and they wasted the seed.
But really tho, I hate when the host does it in the basement of the area past sully with the two croc rats
>>336143289
>>336143334
Hmm. Good to know, thanks Anons.
And yeah, you're alright Manta, one of the better tripfags, compared to people like Mariel.You really can't top ReliableHentaiDeliverer Scout/Sniper tho.
>>336143334
Yea I dont get those people desu senpai
>In DS1 and 2 the deck is heavily stacked in the invader's favor
>People laugh and tell people to git gud when they lose progress due to an invasion
>DS3 flips the odds and makes it more difficult for an invader to succeed
>Everyone is now a whiny bitch who can't cope with the fact that they can't easily fuck people's progression
You have double estus and 33% more health you FUCKING SHITTER
>>336143519
this is what gets me
>invader has nothing to lose
>has the element of surprise
>host has EVERYTHING to lose (level progress, souls)
>INVADER /STILL/ whine about MUH FAIR FIGHT when theyre the ones being unfair
so fucking funy, these nu-darkwraith in ds3
>>336142793
No idiot, he needs to keep his trip on so we can filter him.
Or just take screencaps of him being a fucking idiot and post it in every thread he's in until he stops.
>>336143803
Invader lose all souls, but I agree
Fucking shitters who can't find a way to fuck with people
>>336143803
DS2 best pvp mechanics
>Invader loses CREO
>Hollow invasions mean higher chance of duels
>Invasion time limit of 10 minutes so invader can't hide in mobs. Also Seed.
>Proper sin system
>>336143965
>lose souls
Oh man, what a consequence.
Does a seed drop when you kill an npc invader?
>>336143869
> take screencaps of him being a fucking idiot
Good luck with that.
>>336144205
lol eat shit and die you cocksucker
>>336144294
No it has a 50% chance of spawning in firelink when any invader spawns. You don't need to win or lose.
>>336143965
Your souls just drop at the location you died in the hosts world. It's not that hard to just go and get them back.
>doing some red eyes after the pontiff bonfire
>host and two phantoms
>oh boy here we go
>hear somebody else invade the world
>thank god, its slightly more balanced
>it's a purple
>they decide to help the host because he just wants his covenant item
>mfw
>>336144496
If so then it's equally simple for the host to just go get theirs back as well.
>>336143297
>my two cents
>>336144587
Nope, the losses sustained if you die are pretty equal for both parites.
>mfw Watchdog thinks he can hide behind big crabs when I got a seed
>>336144534
Purple turncoats are the worst, same with aldritch faithful who don't attack the host of another is attacking. The point of the covenant is to invade and halt his progress you dumbass
Are there peasants in Dark Souls 3?
I'm fine with getting gangbanged by people in my SL. I'm not fine with constantly fighting end game phantoms because the host needed help to get through High Wall of Lothric.
If you invade, all you're trying to accomplish is make someone else's life miserable. If you are an invader, you objectively have no right to complain about anything.
>>336145505
>want to have balanced fight
>have no right to complain
Fucking retard
>>336145618
If you want to have a balanced fight put your sign down in the fight club areas, idiot.
>>336143803
>element of suprise
>literally a huge message about you appears on the hosts screen
>>336145505
The whole point of invasions is pvp, there's maybe 1 guy out of 500 that actually plays through the game.
>get invaded in archdrake peak
>by not one but two invaders
>i'm alone but for some reason they are both trying to lure me up the path filled with enemies past the belfy bonfire
>after about a minute of just looking at them standing in the middle of a mod I remember the giant seed
>Pop it
>one pretty much gets immediately killed
>the other takes notice but instead of running at me to get away he just keeps running further in
>watch for about 30 seconds as the entire mod disappears up the hill and his health is constantly going up and down from healing and getting wrecked
>he dead
the thing that I didn't understand is why they didn't gank me. there were two invaders against just me.
>>336146146
Were you using an Estoc/shortsword?
That would be a good reason, those users tend to be able to stunlock up to 3 people at a time if they're good and Invaders are paranoid.
Also those 2 sound fucking retarded.
>>336146502
I use the great scythe. its not the fastest but it'll fuck people up.
>he doesn't use the Dragonslayer's Spear
>he doesn't joust will all the other spear users
>>336147196
>Great Scythe
Then yeah, they had no fucking reason to pussy out, Scythes are really meh. Especially that one from the guy before Pontiff.
Not great, but not bad.
>Ft. Guy who uses Pyromancies and Chaos Scythes
>gets invaded
>uses seed almost immediately
>either invader leaves or they'll be severely weakened and distracted by the mobs for me to ambush
Too bad it's really limited.
>>336146502
You cant stunlock more than one person with a fucking estoc unless they're standing dick to ass estoc is good but it aint that good amigo.
I got banned from online because the game thought I was hacking
Is there any way to get it back?
>>336149159
You WERE hacking, asshole
What's frostbite do? Description says "saps health", so it's basically poison?
>>336140610
>it's nearly impossible to keep somebody from healing if you hit them once or twice
It's not though, unless you're too scared to go after them when they retreat.
>>336149781
Slows stamina regen I believe
>tfw they use the seed and still die to the enemies
Seed is so much fun for both sides. If an invader is being annoying, or the stakes are high, pop the seed.
Invading and host pops a seed? Aggro everything big and nasty and take them to visit the host.
Duels are duels, and can be great fun, where skill and honor rule the day.
Invasions are no holds barred gutter fights where you know damn well you are planning to ruin someone's day. Might as well play to it, host and invader both.
>>336149781
Saps some health, lowers defenses and slows stamina regeneration.
>equip offhand equipment that can parry
>equip hornet ring
>pray for the best when the host and their phantoms start swinging at you with reckless abandon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZJ7z5xEgg
>MY FUCKING FACE WHEN
>>336139009
They can but from my experiences, they will attack the invader more than the host. And then you have to deal with monsters, 2-3 phantoms, and the host all at once. Now I know I'm not much of a pvp guy but this is a bit much
>use getting summoned to risk free explore area while helping them, then do it solo
>get invaded
>hit him twice and he runs away, trying to lure us backstabs or into mobs
>we ignore him and keep going, chase him off, or fight him and enemies together before he runs off
>hes been so bent on leading away he gets lost and cant find us
>we fight the boss and he gets sent away
90% of my experience getting invaded, i have no idea what joy they get out of doing this
I just don't follow them when they run off. they usually get bored and come back
>>336138238
>host pops a seed
>kite enemies to his location
>pelt him with charms
>watch him get ganked by mobs
Was losing part of your plan?
>>336152782
>kite enemies to his location
How do you get them to stop attacking you and to attack them or their phantoms? Every time I've attempted this the phantoms just tear through them while they are focused on me
>>336144784
>implying people can't see the seed status effect
>>336153127
I got to hold your hand too?
Just did a playthrough alone, embered, and popping dry finger almost constantly. Here's my report:
>Every, and I mean EVERY red I encountered ran away and chugged whenever they were remotely in danger
>Reds in particular will not engage without support from mobs. Grapes will occasionally attack alone, but will usually wait until you've taken a few hits
>On the flip side, invaders became super aggressive when there were 2 invaders vs 1 host
>2/3rds of reds used straight swords/estoc, others used katanas. One guy actually used whips, which was great. Another 2 used Fume GS. But other than that, NO VARIATION
>Grapes try to twink in low level areas as much as possible like gigantic gaping vaginas
All this crying about
>muh ganksquads
means nothing. You don't change your tactics if a host is alone, and you attempt to gank whenever possible, just like everybody else.
Get fucked invaders, you deserve everything you get.
wew lad
>>336150352
lol this nigga hasnt even played the game
you can't punish healing for shit and you cant pressure infinite roll invincibility for shit
>>336153276
Forgive me for asking for a tip
>>336153310
Anyone complaining about a fair fight in an invasion either host or red is a fucking retard save that shit for fight club.
>>336153856
You can at the very least get a 2hit combo on every estus.
>>336153910
You're not paying attend, how the hell don't you know how to kite? Just roll and use alluring g skulls if need be. You can also use rapport and atonement. And this >>336139595
Invaders
>Has all the enemies on their side, can deliberately build, itemize and plan for PvP and fight mostly PvE host, holds all the choice to invade
>Host pops giant seed
>Goes online to whine
>Host has phantoms
>Goes online to whine
>Invaders lose nothing and host stands to lose everything
>STILL goes online to whine
I have no sympathy for invaders.
>>336154026
WOW A 2 HIT COMBO WITH A FAST WEAPON AFTER EVERY 700 HEALTH HEAL
KILL YOURSELF
>unequip weapon when i invade
>equip it again when i get summoned
>they are obviously way below upgrading than i am
>>336154091
I mean, that's just if you're bad at timing your attacks on their rolls.
If you're that unskilled you gotta take what you can get, nawmean?
>>336154105
doesn't work that way.
>>>336138238
>Got invaded every time within a second from logging in while in the second bonfire of Archdragon Peak
>Finally cave in and decide to confront the invader
>Use one of these bad boys
>Wreck him together with the npc invader summoned by the bell lady
Invaders have no rights.
>dark sword
>summon wish wishi washi
>meme name
which one of you faggots was this
>>336152259
This sums up pretty much every single one of my invasions as well. Even when I'm solo the invader always tries to lure me towards mobs and I'm not gonna fall for that shit, i wasn't born yesterday. So more often than not I run off in some other direction to keep doing my own thing and after 5 minutes they "return to their world" because i'm not falling for their trap or their too stupid to find me. Even when its just me and one phantom reds always seem to run off and hide then leave after a few minutes.
>>336154260
Yeah yeah just dismiss it like I'm bad
I'll fist your fucking ass
So everyone and their mom just spams roll away. How do you even hit them, with the invincibility frames and by the time they're vulnerable they're way out of range?
>>336154406
try redit if you want to find who it was
>>336142771
snibeti snab
>>336144303
Like now for example.
>>336154406
>invade host with meme name
>do all I can to kill them, even if that means hiding to wait for backup
>summoned by memefaggot
>get them to the boss, sit down and watch them burn
Fuck every single one of you.
>>336154552
dash attacks.
>>336145742
what is obscuring ring
>>336154552
You roll+R1 right after them and catch them as they recover
>>336154085
/thread
Shit's stacked against them, maybe a tad too much all things considered, but they (mostly) deserve it, most of them are literal dickwraiths who will use those same tactics solo or v. a group. Ironically, the few times I've been invaded, always solo, I usually get pretty nice guys/twinks who want to fuck with me. Both of which are fun.
In comparison to my Grape Runs.
>Summoned as Grape
>Literal 50/50 chance I get a decent host
>it's either wave hello and get a katana to the face
>or we go off on jolly (albeit tenuous) co-operation
>If shit gets bad, I turn on the Host, but otherwise, I play nice until they turn on me or we reach the gate
>At which point I fight until I die or they enter and I go home, having had fun.
I don't get why people have to win in this game. It's more fun to just run around and enjoy yourself with friends/strangers.
>>336154754
Hm, okay. Maybe a long range weapon (like great hammer) dashing jump attack?
>don't use game mechanics because muh honor
>>336154406
preserverence sword art is very underrated
>>336154863
Well specifically for me the UGS running r1 is super effective. I guess it depends on what weapon you're using.
>>336138431
>I can't win without ganking :(((
>>336154831
Oh fuck, I forgot roll to R1 had an attack too. Thanks.
>try BKS
>all these fuckers getting owned by perseverance
>>336142774
/this
>mfw invading as a purple just to demolish gayboy reds
>mfw i killed so many of them once the game freaked out and gave me two shackles at once
>>336154105
What are you lying for? To seem cooler on an anonymous jap rice paper folding website?
>>336154971
>saying this when hosts will summon endless phantoms
>mfw winning anyway
>>336155010
its like a slightly better version of stomp in my opinion
>mfw grapist
>just to kill someone, doesn't mater
>mfw fight clubs
>>336155010
Perseverance doesn't work right now. What's the point of lying?
>>336155369
Holy shit, that is beautiful.
>Blends in perfectly with the other bodies
>Invader is a total retard and misses the Ember markings
>>336154552
you need a weapon with running r1 stab with phantom range or don't bother
>>336155369
i'm confused, couldn't he see the host's hp/name?
>>336155514
The talisman poise skill works so why wouldn't the sword skills that are similar to it work as well?
>>336155590
or charge
>>336155369
That red nigga needs to pay attention to shit. Only moving knight and he's standing right on top of you.
>>336155369
Are you serious? YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS.
>>336155536
Embers weren't being given off that I could see though.
>>336155423
Low level halfway fortress grape fight clubs have been the best pvp experiences I've had in the series.
>>336155617
if you know ANYTHING ABOUT INVADING
you'd know that invaders cannot see host hp/name until they actually get hit
>>336155684
Because poise doesn't work in das3 right now
>>336155369
typical fume sword user
>>336143395
You can also check the tree in the Untended Graves version of Firelink.
>>336155514
both unfaltering prayer and all perseverance variations work to my experience. That's why Sirris is semi-competent when summoned, she actually uses that skill while healing.
>>336155760
>Embers
Watch the cape on the host. And the armor itself in a few spots, but mostly the cape in that vid.
>>336155760
>>336155536
that's actually somethign i'm curious about, would an invader be able to see the ember sparks from a chameleon'd host? i feel like it defeats the purpose, at least for the host
>>336155802
to be fair that's new to this game so don't be grilling the guy over that you fucking faggot
>>336155617
You're confused because you haven't played the game and there's always at least one of you retards in every thread too.
Hostiles can't see names/health bars unless they lock on.
>>336155804
>don't use Unfaltering Prayer
>get hit once
>stagger
>use it
>get hit 6 times
>don't stagger
Seems to be working to me anon.
>>336155804
Poise doesn't work but the WA that grant it work fine.
>>336155939
No it isn't.
>>336138738
You're literally describing mad phantoms.
>>336149781
>>336150565
>>336151594
Also slows movement/roll speed slightly.
>>336155909
Yes, everyone can see Host Sparks from the Chameleon and Branch effects. But it usually is so faint, that you can't tell.
>Street Signs Captcha
>Side of a van
>>336155760
>>336155875
>>336155909
Invaders don't see embers, retards
It's like you never invaded
>>336155875
The host sees that not the invader afaik invader does not see those particle effects.
>>336155978
Yeah it is your health bar and name in black box is always visible when you'e nearby in previous games
>>336155954
That fucking dumb. It's just glitch right? The devs can fix it, right? Or is it part of the game?
>>336144587
Except the host was progressing. So they lost their progression, lost their souls, and lost an ember.
Invaders lose their probably 4k souls that they aren't even invading for.
>>336155950
>>336155802
i have played, i just don't invade. Sorry, I admit I'm more of someone who likes co-oping and helping others.
>>336155939
thanks man, yeah i just didn't know how invasions are, personally.
>>336156114
If you're locking on yeah.
I just got the farron greatsword, this moveset is pure sex but I haven't tried it on anything yet, how shit is it
does the dagger parry benefit from leo ring?
>>336155980
Comparing an item vs something someone has to summon/get invaded by and it only works on the grapist.
>>336156165
Might be a bug or it could be intentional.
From is so incompetent no one knows for sure.
>>336155875
Yes, but little embers fly off you when you move around. I didn't see that here, might have something to do with the gesture.
>>336152782
>Kite
Don't lie kid, once you aggro them, they're on you, even if you run up straight to the host's face if he doesn't hit them, they're still on your ass.
>>336138238
I only lure hosts into enemies if the host
>Uses estus
>Has a friend and fights me 2vs1 instead of 2 1v1's
>uses uchikatana
>>336154105
Based off your best upgraded weapon
>>336153310
>regularly invade with a whip
>see post about a guy who thought it was cool to be invaded by a whip user
>feel much better about my weird choice in weapons
Well, I did it. I beat the game as a luck/bleed build. Probably going to respec to quality and use the Astora Greatsword for NG+ though.
>>336152012
>that guy wiggling his shield around like they didn't just get fucking outplayed
delicious
>>336156328
No, you always run away like a pathetic coward and black crystal out even if it's just 1v1 and things didn't go your way
>>336138431
INVADERS ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES
I WAS ON MY LAST GODDAMN HUMANITY
>>336156204
NOPE
TYPICAL /V/ SOULS PLAYER, A FUCKING MORON
>>336156314
>what are alluring skulls
>what is rapport
>what are branches
>what is atonement
Get fucked summonbabby
>>336156391
then how am I getting invasions in the forest with a +6 weapon?
>>336154091
If you stick close to them, you can interrupt their heals with backstabs, kicks, pokes, or chains until they're dead.
It takes about a second for the heal to begin, all you gotta do is stop them within that time frame.
>>336156195
Thanks for actually putting the movie title in the image name.
wheres the best place to pop seeds and hide from invaders.
im getting a little tired of the archives.
>get invaded on bridge to lothric princes
>kill everything while the grapist keeps hiding behind mobs
>kill all mobs
>grapist black crystals out
There are some very obvious issues with the balance of Shit in this game
Literally no reason to use anything other than a longsword
Stamina recharge is way way way to quick
Rolls use way way way too little stamina
Rolls also have way way way too many invincibility frames
Those combined with bad netcode make this a huge shitfest most of the time.
Don't know how From made these retarded design decisions.
>>336138238
More like
>invade
>fight against the host and 3 phantoms
>they use meme weapons and shields
>I kill 2 of them but die
>host claps and squats on my dead body
>thinks he's a hot shot
>fast forward a few hours
>invade the same host but this time he's alone
>proceed to curbstomp his ass
>runs from me and jumps to his death
>messages me and calls me a faggot
wew lad this sure is fun :^)
>>336156596
You aren't the only person in the world with a +4 - +8 weapon
>>336156728
Happens constantly
>>336156393
The funniest thing I've seen so far was when I was invading in the forrest early on and just using a random whip I picked up. Guy i was hitting with it kept trying to parry it for some reason.
>>336156605
np, it's a fun movie. i think better than V/H/S in terms of that type of format. Check it out
>>336154091
It's a battle of attrition, them drinking estus guarantees hits. Eventually they'll run out of estus and you can just finish them off.
Siegward's Cell in Profaned Capital/Irithyll Dungeon.
>all those Jailers
>toxic swamp with spider monsters
>monstrosities of sin
They're gonna hate you
>>336156791
>invade the same host but this time he's alone
Things that never happend.
I never invaded anyone that didn't at least have 1 phantom or didn't run off to the bonfire to summon his buttbiddies.
>>336156598
It's pretty easy to get the space to get a heal off.
>>336156791
>invade
>getting stomped so run
>host gets cocky seeing his phantoms messing me up and charges with a running R1
>parry
>HOST OF EMBERS DESTROYED
If only you could see their faces when they realize how SHIT they are.
>>336156760
long sword is a SL80meta meme
just get gud and get to the build variety meta that is 120
>>336156728
its kinda sad how many invaders do this. Like youre not really invading if your just standing their hoping the host is going to die to the enemies. your more like a cheerleader for the other team.
>>336157018
It happens quite a lot actually, I've invaded the same host thrice. The two times they had phantoms backing them up. The third I guess I invaded early and got him without any phantoms to back him up.
>>336157067
I've been 130 for a week. There are even more dark swords than ever.
Friendly reminder that enemies are still hostile to you as well, so you are mostly just enabling me to lead a small army to you and your buttbuddies to deal with :^)
Keep using them seeds to naturalize your numbers advantage man. Please.
>>336157018
I've done that too. Invading a lone host is rare but it does happen.
>Invading as a mound-maker at the second bonfire in Undead Settlement
>Consistently spawn in the house with the rat people or nearby the tree on fire with the hollow fucks praying around it
>Equip Untrue White Ring or whatever the fuck its name is to look like a white phantom
>Use the Curl Up emote in the face of the Matron
>Host and his buttbuddies start cleaning the packs one by one
>When the matron gets up, I jump in and chaos ensues
>They panic
>Don't know who to hit as I'm white
>Mfw duty fulfilled in the most exquisite way
>>336157318
Too bad I know how tethering works so you can never lead any amount of enemies to me :)
>>336156165
>>336156293
There is a value set to below 1 that restricts poise. If you use CE to change it to 1, Poise works correctly.
WA probably alter that value to >1, so that poise works dramatically better than it should.
It would be a very simple fix for From to make if anyone can do it with a little number tweak in CE.
>Invade some guy's game last night on High Wall
>Sit down and wait in full sight
>"Host is summoning another phantom..."
>Host and his phantoms charge at me from all angles, don't stop for a second or emote or anything - gank me.
>I think "Whatever."
>I do some more invasions.
>About 20 minutes later, get sent to that same guy's world
>This time, I'm ready.
>Roll around like a motherfucker, lure them towards the Pus of Man abomination and manage to take out the gold phantom
>The host goes and summons ANOTHER phantom
>By this point, I lie in wait until they pass by me, and follow them.
>The host gets onto the lift shortcut, while a phantom stays behind and another is already down there.
>I run forward as the lift pulls away, and before the topside phantom can react, jump down the lift shaft.
>Plunge attack right on the host, who panics and runs off the lift
>They fall to the floor below, taking just enough damage to kill them.
>Wave to the other phantom down here as he gawps on in horror.
That was fun. I generally try to be sporting as an invader, in ways such as leading the host back to a bonfire/to a new bonfire before I fight them, but some people are just begging for dirty tricks.
>>336138238
>Seed of giants
Every time?? You get a fucking seed EVERY time? 3v1 isnt enough for you faggots that you need to use those?
The more I hear about this fucking games PvP nose dive, the less likely I am going to buy it.
Can someone photoshop Miyazaki pulling the ethernet on an invasion? Thanks.
>>336156897
People just don't know how to handle whips for some reason.
You'd think the twenty hour charge up time on every attack would be an indicator that you just have to put pressure on the guy.
I've got a backup club that I use for when that does happen, though.
>>336157025
It happens from time to time, but if you aren't preventing healing 90% of the time, you're pretty bad at PvP and should probably just stop.
>>336157018
Stop invading low lv areas and move your ass to anor londo .
>>336152012
How do you do the double riposte
>>336138238
>Seed of Giant Tree
>implying any Invader won't run a Rape Train on you
>>336157441
That's fine, I probably won't get you if you have phantoms then. You aren't stupid. If a host plays it right and plays well, you deserve to win 100% of the time with phantoms. 98% of you are stupid as fuck and can be baited into your own demise in that situation though.
>>336157843
when you equip the hornet ring it also changes your attack animations as well as boosting the damage
>>336138238
>>336138431
I've seen cancer of all kinds.
I've beaten and been beat by kirk rolling parry shield estocs, greatwall of estoc, and full tank parry only daggers.
But nothing compares to the cancer that is a 1v1 dried finger summoned phantom running away and baiting you into every enemy in the location for an hour after running out of their sparing amount of estus and multi slot healing spells while you have over 60% left.
I have never felt the need to seed before but this would be an instance that it's required.
At least the purple I summoned rammed a sword on a stick up his ass and he had to leave emberless, I bent over backwards, he wen't home with his shackle, and I could finally exit the game without a DC.
>>336145618
Thats what your reddit fightclubs are for nerd
>>336138238
I'm an invader and I can agree to this message
>>336157818
Why would I want to invade fight clubs? You invade for the chaos, not the "fair and honorobu" dueling.
Low level, non-meta is where the real fun is at as far as invasions go.
>>336157254
use something with HA then
the BK GA has HA on every attack, the R2 is non-parryable and it has a 3hit COMBO that deals 1000-1200 damage.
>Black Bow; a short jaunt in the swamps and a little hand to hand
>Hawk Ring; the demise of a friend
>Poison Arrows; 100 souls each
>Pelting a host through a sea of phantoms from 100 feet away and watching his life slowly tick down because he has no idea where you are; priceless.
>>336158189
Yeah and where the new players are. You aren't good, if you want true chaos go invade at the area after pontiff. Majority of the time there'll be hosts waiting with phantoms, along with other invaders joining in.
>>336158281
>poison mattering
>'priceless' format
XD my dude, XD
>>336155909
One thing I've noticed, is that if you wear the Untrue Dark Ring while embered, it hides those smoldering effects, so it would work even better. Not sure about the embers flying off when moving around, but those are hard to spot in bright areas.
>>336158219
Hyper armor is a meme.
Anyone with half a brain can kill someone using a weapon with it.
I wish it wasn't this way. I had a lot more fun with DaS1 lagrolling and fishing for backstabs at this point.
>>336158281
Too bad 99 arrows and 40 poison knives aren't enough to proc poison on anybody
>>336158281
How much did you put into luck? Poison is SHIT in tins game and I haven't heard of a way to induce toxic. Maybe dung pies? Also, you forgot your obscuring and farron ring.
>tfw have 2 dedicated characters for invading
>one is a 60 int mage with EVERY magic damage boosting item + obscuring ring
>mfw 1 shotting faggots with soul stream/ HCSM+CSS
>The other is an obscuring ring 40/40 greatbow user
>mfw knocking people off cliffs or landing headshots
>get invaded in demon ruins
>fag immediatly runs away expecting me to follow him trying ti make a shitty area even shittier
>stay put and just use seed
>within less than 5 get INVADER BANISHED
OR
>trying to get through archives
>on the stairs to find twin princes
>invader just tries to kill me if im only fighting an enemy and wont try to fight me one on one.
>fuck this im so close im not dying now.
>use seed
>he gets wrecked by the knights within seconds
Most of you invaders are scrubs, im gonna be using that seed all day to filter you gimps out.
>>336157812
You're never going to prevent healing 90% of the time unless the dude is sipping right in your face 90% of the time.
>>336153252
If you see a robot in a room, and its eyes turning from green to red, that doesn't exactly change the fact that they're probably going to start running to a new safe spot to avoid the killer robot.
>>336157632
Stop caring. Yeah, it's harder to win invasions than it's ever been, but the vast majority of the people you invade are PVE casuals who have about a 10th as much of the experience you do. Yeah, there's going to be times where you run into 3 people running Dark Sword/Estoc and they catch you, but so what? If they beat you, they've only done exactly what they were supposed to do with those odds.
With enough tenacity and a willingness to use every tool at your disposal(Lloyd's, enemies, hornet parries), your chances are still pretty good and it will outright embarrass them if you do manage to win. That's what invading is about. Stop worrying about having a "fair" chance in every invasion and embrace the chaos.
>>336159040
Most hosts heal when they lose 40% hp, it's about anticipating the heal.
>>336159083
This nigga gets it.You know that was bait?
>>336158432
I want new players. Killing new players is part of the fun and has been since Demon's Souls. I don't give a single fuck about if I'm "good" or not since this isn't some high skill, well balanced fighting game. PVP is meant to be played casually and invasions are meant to be filthy. It's completely within spirit of the game, has been a part of things since the beginning of the series, and there's not a single thing you can do to stop me.
I don't even really care about getting ganked, I just don't know why the hosts need an army of phantoms to get through these levels. They're easy as fuck.
>>336159040
>they're rolling/running away
>roll/run after them
>they stop to heal because their camera swapped positions
>rolling R2 into them
>heal interrupted
>they die
GG faggot.
>>336156728
I've noticed three trends from my 'pacifist' invasions. Running behind enemies means:
>1. The host stays in the bonfire forever and gets 'Failed to summon phantom' errors for about twenty minutes.
>2. They charge at me after using the seed, and usually end up getting themselves killed on the mob train we both created.
>3. They just play the game as normal and they reach the boss door.
I cannot fucking stand option 1. players. You're terrified of a glorified scarecrow at this point.
>>336159379
Okay, I just think that's unsatisfying. I'm not even saying anything about high skill, you're literally killing braindead players that only know R1 and L1. It feels more fun winning when the odds are highly stacked against you.
>PVP is meant to be played casually and invasions are meant to be filthy.
Of course, you can play filthy at any SL. Baiting attacks for parries while having a hornet ring equipped, or being a dick with great bow + obscuring ring.
>>336159228
Theres no anticipation you're either right next to the dude or you don't stop his heal and just take a chunk of the recovered life.
Is promised walk of peace in this game?
>>336159447
The password system has led to people being able to play the game with a bunch of friends with minimal difficulty. 90% of the time when you see someone with more than two phantoms making their way through a level, they're all friends with each other on Steam. People are far more comfortable playing that way than they are summoning randoms.
Yeah, they're probably ruining the game for themselves, but oh well. It's not like they'll be playing the game next month.
>>336159636
Man your basically saying wow im so happy the host is a shitter with no spacial awareness.
>>336159821
Nah you're just bad.
>>336159842
>not saying tranquil walk of peace
>DaS2 was his first game
Shitposting aside, I don't think it is.
>>336158662
My SL120 guy is at ~40 luck.
I like luck. I didn't invest much in Vigor/Endurance/Vitality this time around because, well, stamina regen is insane, rolling is OP, and equip load is a joke.
>>336158643
>>336158494
Poison works pretty well for me, and poison arrows aren't weak even without the aux effect. 60 Dex with a +10 Black Bow seems to deal around 300 damage to most of you faggots, which is only 3-4 hits to death if I don't get a head shot.
>>336159953
>im autistic enough to remember the name every spell
>anime face
>>336159928
No, I'm basically saying that 90% of everyone is a shitter with no spacial awareness.
Go ahead and try that tactic out, man. It'll work 90% of the time.
>>336159707
Here's a hint the host doesn't know you're not a huge faggot so why would he run to basically certain death when he can just summon a gank squad?
>>336160119
>proving I'm right
There is no reason to get so defensive over DaS2 being your first game.
>>336159939
ok amigo
>trying to red invade when it's constant 3+v1
>Not just joining Blueberries and going afk while you rack up ears
stretch out.gest
>>336146146
>mod
>>336160301
Demon's was my first you stupid nigger.
(You)
>>336141178
>Quality build
>Dark Sword
Choose one.
>>336160425
Why wouldn't the host just send you away? Does BC send every phantom home?
@336160476
>lying on the internet
>being so defensive over blatant shitposting
Thanks for the (you)
>>336160597
>Why wouldn't the host just send you away? Does BC send every phantom home?
You can chose who to send home.
>>336160425
>afk as blueberry for 20 hours
>zero summons
Yeah it's so easy anon
>>336142949
So why DO you keep the trip on, then?
>>336160790
So we can filter him easily.
>>336160790
Because they're an underaged fat faggot that doesn't get any attention.
>>336160949
Doing gods work.
So, I heard that streaming hacker finally got banned, am i in the clear for pvping again? Or are there more assholes doing it?
>>336160783
i got like seven ears watching shit on youtube for an hour.
Not much but it beats trying to farm them from silver knights.
>>336160221
One guy had two phantoms already, and he was just taunting over and over, and then rolling way if I ran in front of the pack. It was embarrassing.
>>336153310
I'll agree with you for the most part but once and a while this won't happen. I try to never do these things when I'm an invader (will only estus if the host does.)
Had a nice invade after Pontiff while I was leveling Aldrich Faithful ranks. The guy had another AF in his world and I just sat and let them fight, then let him kill his giants and then we both ran back to the area just outside Pontiff's room. I was actually surprised he followed me there instead of booking it, he easily could've ignored me. He was a chill guy.
this game has by FAR the worst pvp of the entire series. if memezaki wasnt on the title you faglords would shit talk it even more.
>>336160119
He didn't have to know the name of every spell in the game, just the name of the one you butchered.
Has anyone gotten the soldering iron to work? Do you need to land an R2 or something?
>>336159806
>Of course, you can play filthy at any SL. Baiting attacks for parries while having a hornet ring equipped
You aren't going to parry a good player in this game with any sort of regularity. They'll mix up their attacks or dead angle them. If you show it more than once, they'll get a read on it you'll be riding the pain train to a BS(although sometimes you can roll out of it if you're using caestus because of how quick the animation is).
I do actually play in some relatively high end duels with regulairty, but the randomness of invasions is far more interesting to me. If we were just talking about murdering straight out of the box players 1v1 the entire time, it would be one thing, but random invasions are well..random. You don't know what you're going to run into with regards to skill level(and there's a fair number of people PVE'ing who aren't terrible at PVP 7 years into this series life) or number of players. Most of the time it is newer players, but it doesn't matter how skilled you are when it comes to a gank. Unless you're fighting players who are literally braindead, ganks are always a unique challenge in this game.
The skill level of the players you are fighting matters a lot less when one slight mistake in spacing can lead to more than half of your health being gone. That's accented even further when you are fighting a group that can heal three times as often as you can. A really good invader will still win more than half the time, but the rush of dealing with the entire deck being stacked against you and succeeding doesn't get old.
>>336161202
Well not much to say about that then.
>host loses everything
>Literally by the bonfire 90% of the time.
>>336154796
>Host runs to nearest bonfire and summons guys for half an hour.
What about the ring?
>>336162332
I just kill the phantoms, get estus back for every kill, then kill the host
>>336162487
Easily the best change they've made. You even get a sippy if a redbro dies during the festivities too.
>>336155909
If it does, it's not enough for people to notice. When I was co-opting with my friend we would chameleon ourselves to see how long it took invaders to find us. It took a while.
Any fun gimmick builds for 30-40 pvp?
>>336160949
>He still doesn't use forced anonymous
>Invade in catacombs
>spawn at the start of the level, follow the trail of dead skelingtons
>get all the way to the end, the bridge is up
>"oh, he must just be about to challenge wolnir"
>get to the fog gate and see the host, no phantoms, just sitting right outside wolnir
>pause for a bit, dont really like killing afk players
>he turns around and starts spamming fireballs and me
>I run in, get him in an l1>l2>r2 combo with warden's twinblades, get a bleed proc so he's at like 20% health
>he backs off into the fog gate
>"okay, well whatever, time to try agai-"
>I get hit by a throwing dagger
>FROM THE FOG GATE
>remember you need to take a sippy from the skull mug to start wolnir
>the host comes back out with his ugs, tries to hit me, backs off into the fog gate when I running attack him
>this continues for several minutes
>eventually just sit out of line of site of the fog gate, wondering if the host is even going to attempt wolnir
>walk back over after a couple of minutes and the host is still right outside the fog gate, waiting for me
>black crystal out
It's like From is allergic to testing their levels. I remember in ds2 that there were areas that were completely un-accessible to invaders because they couldn't flip certain switches, like in those columns the controlled the pillars in sunken king. I guess I'm done invading catacombswhich to be fair was kinda ridiculous on my bleed build considering all of the enemies there do bleed damage
I prefer mound making over rosaria.
Rewards me for killing phantom's and wasting their time wasting time helping some dumb schmuck.
Post some webms please
My computer died and my craptop can't run DS3 so I need a little fix
>>336162487
Stop posting this. Those guys were fucking awful.
>>336154406
>that agni and rhudra co-op
sick
>>336164289
it doesnt stop me from invading well
goddamn people ya'll suck at this game, just surprise them
>invade in Halfway Fortress/Crucifixion Woods area
>host has 2 phantoms with him
>and a Blue Sentinel just got summoned as I spawned
>it's just me in the whole world
>host popped a Seed
>lead them around on a merry chase
>jump off high ledges and get them to kill themselves because they thought they could follow and get no damage because I didn't
>except I had the cat ring equipped
It was glorious.
4 dumb cunts dying at once. I wish I actually had a video of that.
>>336144534
>invade as a grape
>host has 2 phantoms with him
>suddenly Rosaria's Finger invades
>except the stupid faggot goes after me
>even though he will literally get nothing out of it
Why? What was the point?
>>336164573
>>336164573
Wear the Slumbering Dragoncrest Ring if you want surprise people who aren't mentally handicapped.
>>336138238
If summoning a new Phantom respawned enemies as well then it everything would be perfect.
Having a covenant devoted to hunting phantoms would be great as well.
What sl and weapon level should you have when invading in the catacombs?
>>336165750
>Having a covenant devoted to hunting phantoms
Grapes?
if it was just "kill phantom get reward." i feel like it'd be too easy.
>>336165435
>wear the untrue dark ring
>dumb ass invaders goes after me when it is clear who the host is(pro tip, it isn't the guy alone)
>>336165989
Not only that, but the Host is shown with white letters, as opposed to Red/Purple.
>>336138238
>doesn't like invasions.
You know you can just play the game offline, right? It's not like you're missing out on much besides a thousand dumbshits leaving "praise the sun" everywhere.
>>336165941
30-40
maybe a + 4 weapon, preferably enchanted by fire
The only time I ever result to luring to enemies is when theres host and 2+ phantoms. i know i wont win.
i was invaded earlier today. just me, i was wining and the dude ran off to try and get me to follow him to the enemies. i used the seed, they started to attack and he ran back to fight me where i was. i kek'd
>>336166298
but anon, this small patch of sunshine, surely a will LULPRAISETHESUN will be an amazing message to leave.
Thinking of making a Catacomb level range version of my grave warden blade bleed build.
Is it feasible at that level range?
>>336165971
Mound makers already have "kill phantoms get reward." If the issue is phantoms trivializing the area then the obvious solution would be:
1) Summoning phantoms respawns enemies (as its ridiculous that a player can literally outnumber enemy spawns with phantom spawns)
2) Have a covenant devoted to the execution of Phantom helpers
>>336166960
Just like with Bloodborne summoning phantoms should cost something.
Some guy used the seed on me in the Grand Archives. Probably figured I'd die but I went through the whole level up to right before the 3 npcs at the top and killed everything.
must have been neat for him. just sitting there then suddenly getting the item from the crystal sage.
>>336166590
Try jumping.
Also, I'm in trouble, please recommend this message
>>336153310
>Every, and I mean EVERY red I encountered ran away and chugged whenever they were remotely in danger
so?
>Reds in particular will not engage without support from mobs
I always run in alone to fuck shit up, even when out numbered.
>weapons
i always change it up. recently ive been using a +8 branding iron. fun.
not everyone plays the same, anon.
How to fix darkmoons
A) Remove Blue Sentinals
B) Red Eye Orb invades the world of anyone who is currently being invaded but with priority to Way of Blue fags if there are any
C) Kill Invader to get ear.
Is that so hard?
>>336167386
>I'm in trouble, please recommend this message
>help me
ive never been against these messages. never know, if could help someone when they need it.
i remember in demons souls, id see those message with SO many ratings. I think that person was helped many, many moons ago
>>336167778
>Red Eye Orb invades the world
i wish i could choose an 'invade anywhere I DONT FUCKING CARE' option. its so dependent on soul level that you have to only invade in one area over and over, or just hope where ever you are someone else is around the same level.
>>336153310
If you are solo then the its a bit lame for an invader to refuse to engage without ganking with mobs.
If you are one of those coward as fuck hosts who has 3-4 phantoms and still refuses to engage unless it is invader alone then you are the worst of the worst.
>Able to invade Tombs at lvl 100.
What the hell are people doing in here at lvl 90-130?
>>336168257
i regularly rotate areas and try to invade for 5mins, then go to another.
yes, i have not much to do
>>336168257
Probably in NG+ cycle
>>336168536
Ah, of course. Why did I not think of that.
>>336168536
can you invade people in ng+ when you arent?
im at level 102 and just farting around in end game, havent journied 2 yet.
>>336168680
there's no restriction between cyles as far as i know.
>>336168130
This happens way too much. Hosts and phantoms that are so chickenshit that they just hide if they can't straight gank them.
I am presently playing against a host that is hiding and resummoning his buddies over and over again.
I have killed the same guy "Nob" three times already.
>>336169468
anon! youre ruining theyre happy play fun co-op time with friends!
>>336169468
You risk nothing invading. He will have use one of those rare embers if he wants to keep playing with his bros.
>>336170265
>rare embers
i got well over 100 in my first playthrough.
unless youre joking
>>336170265
First playthrough I played casually and ended up with over 70 embers. Since you don't lose embers on dying (unlike Humanities in DS1) this is a really pathetic display.
If invaders are intended to stop players from having phantoms play the stage for them FROM is doing a bad job of countering this. Present system only rewards ganking on both ends.
>>336170265
>Rare
This is the worst part. The whole game is utterly filled with embers.
When I invade if the host will 1v1 then I will fight honorably. I won't use estus until he does. However, if it's 2v1, 3v1, 4v1, or even 5v1 I will use all the enemies that I possibly can to help me.
>Go through an army of Phantoms
>Host hides like a bitch the entire time
>Finally get to the point that phantoms start immediately leaving due to being put up with hosts BS
>Immediately d/c when I finally locate him and chase him down
I hate being ambushed by invader phantoms as much as anyone but the alternative of allowing players to sit back and summon phantom armies to play the stage for them with literally zero cost is far worse.
>>336154796
>Getting sunbro medals for killing people
Thats not supposed to be how it works...
>>336145742
Really wish there was an item that allowed us to forward false messages of our death. Or send random false invasion/phantom signs. Anything to mess with player intel.
>>336172360
Considering the covenant deity is a God of War, it's not farfetched.
>>336172360
Considering how lame many hosts have been its understandable that even Way of Sun is tired of their bullshit.
>>336170548
Embers are basically the same dealio you just get humanity from killing shit occasionally still humanity is a consumable item you could use to summon whenever dying with it wasnt a big deal.
Invading into 1v3s is fine, just play a war of attrition and punish anyone who pokes out too far
What rustles me is when the host summons people during an invasion, shit should be disabled so that way of the blue actually has a purpose
Postan' Cr1TiKaL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3il-zx0TFF4
>>336172360
I found it quicker to rank up this way.
>>336172975
In Dark Souls 1 hosts lost all humanities if they died and were unable to recover their green blob of shit.
Dark Souls 3 you only lose souls.
This is worlds different.
>>336172902
>>336172902
>>336173227
But... jolly cooperation...
>>336173324
You lose your embered form and need to re-ember from a consumable ds1 you lose your humanities and guess what you get more from a consumable the only difference is the humanity consumables were not nearly as common as embers but it is the same shit you dingus.
>>336156539
How? They throw them at you like it's going out of style and it's so easy to get more.
>>336173763
Are you pretending to be dense or are you just stupid?
>>336140168
>Don't even care if I win, seeing 4+ guys tiptoeing around the level, while I take out one player at the time is just gold.
I like how every invader in Dark Souls makes this claim when really they just get their salad tossed and lie on the internet about how good they are.
>>336173324
And the only thing having multiple humanity helped IIRC was item drop rate so hard necessary to have multiple.
>been using the Estoc since Dark Souls 1
>got hyped seeing a class start with it
>mfw it's going to get nerfed
>In Way of the Blue
>get invaded
>start goofing off with invader
>Blue Sentinel invades
>doesn't want to goof off
>attacks invader and beats him
>Blue Sentinel gives me shit for not helping him
I don't gank. Ever. I was just gesturing at him.
>>336173203
most unfunny shit I've ever seen
>>336173957
It also improved the damage of chaos weapons like Quelaag's sword and raised resistances or something.
>>336173957
Dark Souls 1 had many systems that favored invaders too much. Best way to get humanities was actually invading, invading healed you to max, and invading could be used by invaders... So basically a competent invader likely had more effective health recovery consumables than your average player.
I actually really disliked this system but if hosts are permitted such huge advantages then there should be something that puts the fear of god into having them summon phantom armies. I prefer having summon costs or having enemies respawn on phantom summoning. But anything is better than what we have presently.
>>336173763
You dont remember how humanity worked did you?
>>336138238
Wow, you must've gotten killed by a lot of invaders to be this mad.
It's not like seed will change much, anyways. The average player is such a gigantic faggot that they will summon a squad and wait for a blue guy to show up 9 times out of 10. Very few have the balls to duel.
>>336174472
Please tell me im fucking wrong here are there not humanity consumables in DS1 that give you fucking humanity? Exactly like the ember consumable in 3 and you don't need more than 1 to summon so how the fuck are they not basically the same apart from stacking humanity for item drop rate/ >>336174268
what he said.
>>336174559
>...and wait for a blue guy
This is based, not faggotry. Blue Sentinels / Darkmoons need all the summons they can get and host is taking a risk waiting on FROM's incompetent network code to call the police before they get ambushed.
>>336174806
And you can only use one Ember at a time, whereas hard Humanity also doubled as healing items you could use to your heart's content (ie, as many as you have).
>>336138238
Threadly reminder that some people still can't win even with 2 assholes backing them up, and are so buttblasted they must turn the entire world against an invader just to scrape a win.
>>336138238
>Muh pvp honor.
Dark Autism 3.
Be careful in Pontiffs you guys. Our hero is doing it again!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3uA4hv5xAAWarv6vxjGA3A/live
>>336175215
Too be fair it's been in every Souls game
>mfw someone bows to me and expects me to not lovetap them
>>336175329
>invade, guy bows
>I shrug or do the "no" gesture
I do give them a fair warning that I'm gonna be playing dirty as fuck
>>336162487
Nice, it feels good to crunch the host and his boys
>>336164289
stfu faggot
>>336175223
pathetic
>>336173227
>Not doing Yhorm 30 times in a row.
Bad form.
>Using Uchigatana just for now until I get the Washing Pole
>Getting so much hate for it
Whats the deal guys? I mean its not even that OP or anything, not that I've noticed anyway.
>>336175481
>invade
>bow
>guy starts summoning
>runs for the boss door when I'm too hard to swarm
>>336176234
>runs for the boss door when I'm too hard to swarm
If only this was more common on my end. At least there would be an end to the suffering then.
>>336176234
>>336176343
Easiest way to beat "muh honor" invaders.
>Gets invaded
>Run to bonfire and wait.
>Invader starts attacking, like a shitter, predictable as all hell.
>Dodging all his attacks.
>Not fighting back, just dodging
>Invader gets pissed off and black crystals out.
I'm level 75 and want to do some co-op/invasion stuff. Is after pontiff still the best place to hang out?
I really prefer fighting a host with helpers. They play normally, even aggressively, and won't hide away from mobs until I've been killed.
>invade
>see ganksquad
>breakdance them to death with farron GS
Is it just me being lucky and getting shitters all the time or do people really not know how to fight against the Farron GS?
>>336142180
Nah, fampai
I've gotten concords before the summoning animation even finishes.
>>336176142
All fast weapons are OP because
>lol no poise.
>>336178705
>What is hyper armor
>>336178871
Doesn't activate until half way into the animation and lots of weapons don't have it, despite being slower than faggot weapons.
>>336178996
I have been hyper armor tanking R1 spammers with my Halberd for hours.
And I have had plenty of hyper armor trades with Great Axe and hammer user as well.
>have invaded only twice so far
>both times were against gank squads
>both time ended in me looking like a complete idiot and a dick to boot
I can't do it. I just can't. I don't know how people get anything fun out of it. I've been inadvertently involved in some fight club shit but only because I was trying to be sunbro.
I'm curious about the purple guys but I haven't met their covenant yet. They seem to be the most interesting in their killing phantoms or host deal. Never summoned one myself though for fear of being attacked.
>drop a purple summon sign at a starting bonfire, in a non-fightclub area
>get summoned
>wave to the host, start killing mobs to show i'm friendly
>immediately get r1 spammed to death the second my back is turned.
Why? I showed no ill-intent, and i was helping you. Its not like i invaded, YOU summoned ME, so why immediately kill me? If you wanted to fight someone, why not summon a red?
>>336179151
Purples are good to summon if you've already got an invader around, as you can run to the hills and an enterprising purple will happily take a red's head over yours.
>invade solo host
>runs away and summons as many phantoms as he can
>barely manage to kill two of them
>host can just continue summoning phantoms
So much fun
As a purple i found the easiest way to get shackles is to drop a summon sign and help people, and then just let them die of their own stupidity when the pull too many mobs or walk into an obvious ambush.
I just find it remarkable how many players will intent fully kill themselves off as phantoms to get resummoned by the same host repeatedly.
Phantom system is broken as fuck.
>>336179465
Yeah, I figured but they're never there when I actually need them. Hell, I play the game non-embered most of the time now and I'm just past Abyss Watchers.
I've got a solid near 50 embers but it just invites more bullshit than good for me at this point.
I figure I'll do the summoning/PvP covenant stuff more on my NG+ once I finally beat this game.
>>336179151
>haven't met their covenant yet
It's the most fun PvP covenant in the game.
Either you read the wiki to find them literally second or third covenant.
If you killed the greatwood before finding them, you can't join them until the very end of the game, if you didn't piss off dorkmoon chick.
If you did, you can't join them at all. You have to go into NG+.
Grapes are good for killing invaders, especially if you're on your own.
Since they fulfill their duty by either killing any kind of phantom, or you
If you have people summoned already, they have to kill all the people you have summoned or the equivalent amount of invaders, or just you.
>mfw finally got hcsm/crystal soul spear and soul stream
OH BABY THE FUN BEGINS NOW
>>336179662
>invade a gank squad
>wait until literally any phantom is distracted and melee swinging at something
>steady chant
>crystal soul spear
>1000 damage literally impossible to survive unless they have 40+ vigor
>get a sippy back
>>336180026
>soul streamInvade in the catacombs while wearing the obscuring ring.Wait by the stairs.The one with the rolling skeleton ballKnock that bitch host off with kamehameha when he comes prancing down the stairs.
Best spell in the game.
>>336179965
>If you killed the greatwood before finding them
Welp, I'm fucked then. I felt I really explored every area really well too until that boss.
By dorkmoon chick do you mean Yuria? I'm trying to do that hollow ending thing but I have no idea what I'm really doing going in blind and it's not like these NPC side quests are blatant in any way.
>>336180519
Where are you, fellow? We'll see if we can help you.
How do you get the red eye orb? I thought I did his quest correctly but apparently not.
>>336179462
Because no matter what, a purples end goal is pretty much the same, they're just glorified reds. If they could say, enter a boss gate, and help with a boss, the covenant would be one of the best. But they can't, they're there to do one thing, kill the host or his friendly phantoms, so there's no reason to feign trust even for a little while, or on the one in a hundred chance someone wants to go against the point of their covenant and help a host
purple is wasted potential and already garbage, pray it gets fixed one day.
For those that have pumped valuable resources into Luck: does it pan out with Hollow Infusion into weapons down the line.
I did it for easy drops initially. Now I hear it might be viable but I don't know anybody who fucks with it. I've got a solid 25 points right now.
>This is a SL 20 +2 weapon invasion
>>336180789
40 LUCK
40 DEX
>>336180749
But then why summon me in the first place? Its not like there are a lack of white/gold signs.
>>336180789
Hollow Infusion hardly removes STR/DEX scaling, so it really adds up on top of getting a luck boost if you are hollowed.
>>336180789
if your going dex/luck it works fine corvian scythe or anri's straight sword are solid options.
>>336180789
I'm doing luck/bleed using wardens twin blades, and there is nothing better than bleeding a motherfucker for 45% of their health.
I have about 45 luck right now
Is there another popular invasion spot that isn't Irithyll?
Also, why were some bosses renamed? Wasn't it supposed to be "Dancer of the Frigid Valley" instead of Boreal?
>>336154796
Astora GS, finaly someone who uses that great weapon, nice choice!
>>336181062
This. Dank Purples are like wild cards. I say go with it. They're always near the bonfire. To sate their thirst summon a sacrificial lamb or two at the end to make their work worth it.
Wouldn't want them to go hungry.
So how do you guys deal with roll spammers? Players that are just running around to summon phantoms and aren't fighting at all? The invincibility frames are ridiculous.
>>336181446
Thanks Frank.
>>336165435
>Invade in cathedral as purple with untrue dark ring
>See a red phantom die to the host, 2 phantoms, and fun police
>Fuck with them in the graveyard for a bit and then run away when they start to gank
>Another red invades, starts attacking me
>Take off my ring to show I'm a purple and not the host
>He proceeds to fight and kill me anyway, getting literally nothing out of it besides making his job to kill the host harder
Fucking why
>>336181062
They summoned you to kill you and get a vertabrate shackle out of it.
that's the only reason people will summon a purple any more, it was only fun for the first 30 minutes after release before people learned about it.
>>336181725
I'm reasonably sure it has to be young children or just generally stupid people who don't get the concept.
What's confusing is how they managed to get that far, or have red eye orbs
Who thought 3-4 Phantoms was a good idea? Whomever that is needs to be shot.
>>336180519
>By dorkmoon chick do you mean Yuria?
No, Sirris.
She shows up in firelink, wears white robes/armor.
She gets pissed off if you offer a pale tongue or respec/change appearance at Rosaria's.
Making you unable to complete her side quest, which in turn voids your second chance to join mound-makers.
When this happens, she shows up in firelink to tell you she's pissed and then disappears from the game.
How far into the game are you? Heavy spoilers ahead if you're still early in the game.. But I'm assuming you have completed Anor Londo.
If you didn't piss her off yet:Go back to where you fought the Greatwood (not pit of hollows, just walk from dilapidated bridge to boss room), but ony after having killed Aldrich, the "bow" boss in anor londo, use summon sign on the ground there.
>>336181725
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Xo4rCfg1Q
>>336182318
Reminder that we have to thank that faggot Iron Pineapple for filling up online with shitters using the Estoc.
>>336182318
This is one of those things that just makes you uncomfortable to watch because of how stupid someone can be. It's like secondhand cringe, but worse.
>>336182138
Don't you need to help withthe phantom fight on the Irithyll Bridgefirst?
>get invaded by dragoncuck on my faith build
>>336181406
Quality translation.
Soul of Cinder is supposed to be Avatar of Kings/Lords
>>336182690
Don't think so, but maybe.
>>336182737
Yeah, I also remember Iudex being called "Judge Gundyr" in the preview build.
I love it when fog doors bug out. Especially when I get to kill the Phantoms outside.
>>336182850
I guess using the latin word for judge is more sophisticated orpretentious
>>336138238
Today:
> invading in dragon area 2nd bonfire
> host has 2 phantoms waiting for me at the bonfire
> darkmoon summoned through concord
> manage to kill a phantom with a bell mob distracting the others
> host rushes back to bonfire and summons another
> have to retreat into the mobs
> the blue and a white die trying to get me in long neck mobs
> bigger neck mob catches other phantom by surprise, I finish him off
> host starts running before I finish his buddy
> I take chase but he has quite a lead
> runs past long neck mobs, runs past giant dragon, runs past big crystal lizards, runs past summoner mob and naked Richard
> he reaches the belfry bonfire, ignites it
> realizes he can't sit down with me in his world, and I'm seconds away
> "lost connection from host world"
Fuck invasion imbalance, fuck being able to run/dodge and evade infinitely, fuck being able to run past literally every mob on the map, and fuck people who alt f4 to get away.
>>336143803
If you die as an invader you lose your souls though, and you have to go pick them up where you died in the host's world.
>>336156173
>So they lost their progression
There are like a million short cuts in Dark Souls 3, and running past enemies is easy as fuck if there are no dogs around.
>>336182619
Only a matter of time before we see Havel's Greatshield shitters then?
>people say magic is shit
>in the last 10 invasions i have yet to not one shot someone with crystal soul spear
IT DOES OVER 1000 DAMAGE WITHOUT STEADY CHANT BOYS
>>336183232
It's already happening, met three of those fucks in a row today.
>>336183240
How much INT fampai
I don't know where to take faith, 40, 50 or 60.
>>336183240
Shhh QUALITY is all that matters
>>336183175
>if there are no dogs around
>dogs teleport respawn right behind you if you get too far
Thats just pure evil
>>336140869
savage
>>336183419
60 int is where you stopim sl 80 as well
>>336183240
>allowing yourself to get hit by filthy magick
>>336183341
Upgrade your Shotel boys.
>>336183419
Pure faith?
60.
Int and Faith see good improvements from 40 til 60, unlike Str and Dex.
>>336183749
>implying i dont bide my time until someone is doing literally anything and then run up with my trusty obscuring ring on and bop them in the back
i can even target you before i become visible to you
if that fails its just trusty 300 damage a swing dead angled flashsword spam
>>336183854
I'm on 1st playthrough, I can't find a Shotel anywhere, help?
>>336182080
Such bullshit how the host has such a huge advantage when it comes to be invaded
>can summon phantoms
>can use a seed to take away an advantage the invader has
>dark spirits can hurt each other but host summon phantoms can't hurt the host or each other unless mad
the soul level scale is incredibly tipped in their favor as well even if you invade a host -10 your soul level (which is a blue fucking moon) they can still get blue spirit summon with a soul level over 20 yours.
if you are soul level 15 and invade as a mad spirit its possible for you get a host with a soul level of 50. That said 50 can then summon up a person with a soul level 70 or get a blue with a soul level of 80
such crap
Hosts who want to pvp and take full advantage of this bullshit making gank squads such are assholes
>>336146146
There have been lots of times I've invaded and it looks like the Host is alone but his Phatnoms are just hiding around a corner.
>>336184054
Patches.
>>336184054
Also before you ask why I'm invading on my first playthrough, the Farron GS is just too much fun to use.
>>336184126
And where is he? I seem to have missed him completely. I'm at the Dancer part.
>>336184206
Buy the 20k souls key from the handmaiden andunlock and explore the area behind the giant seed tree. You should find him.
>>336184073
Hey amigo you want to fight fair go to fucking fight club.
>>336166291
as a aldrich faithfull using untrue dark ring, i get a lot. A LOT. of aldrich faithfuls, reds and grapes that go after me, even after i quit the ring. also got an aldritch today that followed me all the invasion not understanding why he couldnt hit me.
My character is 100% mage with no stats placed to non mage purposes. Only have 369 hp and run around naked. Never seen another magic user in pvp, it's always sword and shield cucks. Crystal soul spear does over 1600 damage and is an easy long range 1HKO, penetrates through shields like butter. 40+ successful invasion streak at the moment. Get gud scrubs.
>>336179767
Jesus this.
>invade
>know this is exhaustion hunting so Harass the host and his phantoms through the level
>potshots and firebombs out of nowhere, shoot one of them off a cliff and the other falls to his death chasing me
>one phantom left
>every time he so much as gets a scratch the host sends him back and resummons him
>like seven times
>gank their fagot asses taking some silver knights
I was more annoyed by the constant summoning than the host being a complete coward who didn't dare go through the level by himself.
Seriously. YOU. whoever you are. FUCK YOU.
>>336184305
Thanks bud. Also, is the Cathedral UGS worth using? It looks sick as fuck for me and I wanna use it but don't want to dump souls and shards into it for nothing. And why do people call the Farron GS shit?
Sorry if I ask too much, I'm just curious.
>>336181941
YOU CAN GET VERTEBRAE BY KILLING PURPLES!?
>>336138238
>host used that on me once in the Anor Londo area
>I just brought all the enemies to him
But I'm guessing that seed is good for tight places like the Irythil Dungeons.
>>336184378
Invaders are the last line of defense against players whom have phantoms auto-pilot the game for them.
I can understand giving the player advantages for 1v1 where there is constant fear of ambush and attrition against mobs. But there should be some severe downside to summoning multiple phantoms; epecially +3. Right now it just isn't there at all.
>hitting someone for a 1100 damage soul spear and then a 300 flash sword
>still arent dead
Anyone having trouble getting summoned as a Watchdog of Farron? I've been wearing the symbol for hours and I still haven't got summoned once.
>>336184414
>1600 damage
is your int 99?
>>336184657
Speaking of ambushes, am I in the minority who felt Das3 relied too much on ambush encounters or archers sniping while you engage mobs?
Seems like everytime you engage a visible mob there are a billion thieves clinging on the wall or snipers shooting arrow or tossing stuff at you
>>336184724
If you're higher than level 25-30 you're wasting your time.
>>336184378
Fuck fight club
I don't want a fair fight.
Its just such shit that dark souls 3 invaded hosts have such a huge advantage over invaders when compared to demons souls or dark souls invasions
>Invade at Consumed King's Garden
>See the host's name
>Same as mine (Xavier)
>Hardly see my name in vidya and have yet to meet another person with it.
>Get excited, sprint towards the end of the area to find him.
>He's at the top of the stairs before the fog wall.
>Stand a good distance away and bow.
>He turns around and sprints down the stairs.
>"Connection error. Returning to your world."
>>336154085
>>Has all the enemies on their side
>Host refuses to go to the enemies
>Invader can't do shit
Anyone killed by trying to fight an Invader near enemies deserves it.
>>336184724
Auto summon comvenants are fucked aside from Aldritch Faithfuls below level 65.
>invade host low level, Blue Sentinal get summoned everytime
>put on Blue Sentinal, never get summoned
>get invaded alone by 2 wolves, 1 red, no sentinal come to my aid
Fuck the convenants in this game
>>336184906
Ambushes, traps, and enemies generally using geographical advantages seems par the course. I think the bigger shame is that it is so easy to trivialize most of it with pulling strategies. Especially using a bow / crossbow. Especially when enemies are blocked by invisible walls.
>>336184501
>is the Cathedral UGS worth using?
No idea, I haven't played a strength build in 3 yet.
Try it out. Seems to have a unique weapon art.
Most weapons are viable in some way in PvP.
There is only a select few which are objectively worse than others.
>And why do people call the Farron GS shit?
Do they?
My guess is because some who use it just spam the anime weapon art, which leaves you vulnerable as shit if you haven't invested into enough stamina, and it's piss easy avoid, unless you unlock while using it, which barely anyone does.
>host is sitting among his phantoms squatting and laughing in the face of invaders
>not just soul streaming one of them
>>336152012
I am erect
>>336184956
I made another character just to see if this is true and Blue Sentinel and Farron's bitches are still broken for me.
I have not once been summoned as a Blue Sentinel in hours and have only been summoned 3 times. In contrast I can get constant action as an invader, sunbro, or in my other files as Aldrich.
FROM just done fucked up somehow.
>>336185097
SL 99 with a +10 weapon.
Aldrich summons are either every 2-5 minutes or 1 every half hour. Luckily I only have this and Darkmoon left otherwise I'd just start NG+. Fuck coveants only covenant I had fun with was grapebros.
>invade, surprisingly no army of phantoms for a change
>host awaits me at the bonfire
>named Ludwig, wielding a crossbow in the off-hand and a longsword
>bow, drop him pic related and crystal out
>>336185454
Cathedral UGS does have a unique weapon art in a way, it still has a stomp but you do an over the shoulder spin attack.
Also, the trick with Farron is that the weapon art changes depending when you press L1. For example, I swing twice and if I press L1, I'll do the flip, which is what most people don't know and shit their pants when I go full Artorias on them.
>>336185764
>grapebros
Mounds is the only fun way to invade just because killing host phantoms isn't a futile endeavor any longer.
Every time someone uses a seed I lead as much as I can to the host
Mobs are easy for me to dodge it's their problem not mine
>>336185867
Well, people are getting used to Farron GS, way to many people use the L1 to initiate, seen it be parried countless times now.
>I'll do the flip
You free aim that right?
>>336184501
I've been using it since I got it from Cathedral. Heavy now and +10 with 40 str and I'm digging it. Almost everything dies in 2-3 hits, 3-4 sometimes for PvP. Knight Slayer Ring + Hornet Ring if you want free 1hkos on hosts with a shield up.
i love when i get seeded as aldrich faithful, especially when theyre hanging out down in the sewers with the two crocodogs
>>336186137
Of course, also can you really parry the initiation flip? Never seen someone do it, even though people tried it against me.
>put down white-purple sign
>get summoned by duel faggots
>>336180792
>Smough's Hammer at SL20-30
Guy probably goes down in 3-4 hits.
Do Phantoms think you don't get the reward if they kill you right after the Host dies?
So many times I've killed the Host and the Phantoms just attack me like they still have something to protect, do they get something for killing Invaders after they kill the Host?
>>336186371
It's more like a "why not?" sort of thing.
>>336186225
Yes, it can absolutely be parried. Seen it a couple of times.
It's even easy to parry the follow up, which most users tend to use.
Block the initiation, parry the follow up.
>>336186371
They're just dicks. They know it makes no difference.
Best thing that happened to me just now:
>invade as purple
>host summons a purple to help him out
>traitor promptly attacks me and the two try to corner me
>attack host and he attempts to parry, parries purple phantom instead
>riposte and one-shot him
>host runs off to summon more phantoms
Absolutely wonderful.
>>336186678
In my opinion, you should NEVER follow up on the initiation, only use the 2nd attack if he's circling around you. Do a swing at him or into the air, then spin, he'll probably raise his shield which will stamina drain him pretty hard, then finish off with either flip or normals.
Also, almost ALL heavy attacks can be charged, no matter what weapon sort.
Why can't invaders hang out and watch the host and phantoms fight the boss? I mean if the reason they enter the fog door is to flee me I want some compensation for doing half the bosses work for them.
>>336152012
>yfw this is some gamur grill being carried by chads then brags she beat dark souls
>>336185779
I hope that guy had a good laugh when he picked that up.
>>336138238
SERIOUSLY INVADING IN THIS FUCKING GAME IS SO FUCKING GAY
>Invade
>faggot has 3 butt buddies
>get gang banged to death
>invade
>guy is alone
>HURR BLUE SPURIT
>get ganked
>invade
>fucker is sliding around at the speed of sound in tframe
>moves at mach 2
>gets behind me and backstabs
>>336186774
The correct way to purple phantom is to turn on the host or "your team" if things don't go your way.
>Get summoned as grape.
>Fellow grape bro is also summoned.
>Host being invaded by red.
>Start chasing red
>Fellow grape has really low health after a plunging attack.
>Intentionally tap him on the head lightly with my sword.
>Duty fulfilled.Pretty sure the host got fucked by the red after that
I love Mound-makers.
>>336187191
>invade
>guy is alone
>HURR BLUE SPURIT
>get ganked
But thats intended anon.
If blue spirits are being summoned that implies host isn't a phantom summoning faggot who has an army play the stage for them.
Don't forget one blue faggot kill == two hosts. Its win-win for everyone.
The only legit complaints are how retardedly lenient it is for hosts to summon phantom armies.
>>336187015
mfw I got good anyway and crushed a dude bro pair
>Invade fight club
>put weapon away
>start punching Host
>he starts punching back
>soon everyone's punching the shit out of each other
>when we get to low health faggot White Phantom pulls out a katana and murders me
>>336187409
I forgot to mention the fact that the blueballers usually come in after the cocksucker already summoned one or two more phantoms before him
>>336187482
Come back when you win a 4 or 5v1 son.
>>336187223
I just love when you end up with huge cluster-fucks of invaders and phantoms. Just today I invaded at the Settlement as a purple only to run into a red and another (summoned) purple at a crossroads. We all basically looked at each other waved a bit and you could practically hear, "Okay... so where's the host?"
As if on queue the 'Holy Knight Whatshisface' invasion message popped up and all three of us immediately turned and ran towards the 2nd bonfire á la 'the rape train cometh, baby'.
>pussy invaders just want one-sided duels because they are too shit for fight clubs
>>336187504
>invade, turns out it's spontaneous fight club
>red and phantom just finishing up their duel, phantom wins
>he heals up and I approach him
>we fight and I end up winning
>promptly get back-stabbed by recently spawned red
At least the host and phantoms immediately gang-banged him for disrespecting the fight club.
>>336187568
I've done that before actually
if the host already has 3 phantoms, it means hes used the dried finger, and an fellow invader is coming
most pre SL60 are horrible at the game, especially since a majority of them followed whatever most viewed guide pooed up in a google search
this is especially common in areas where their are territorial invaders
but what do I know, PSN players are plentiful and BAD
>invade area after pontiff as a grape
>its a giant seed + all the enemies are alive meme
>"kill host or 3 phantoms"
>notice all the invisible ghost niggas are dead
>"i wonder where they could possibly be"
>lead aldritch and dark spirit over
>host and 2 phantoms jump out from the end of the tunnel as soon as me and my bros get there
>hit the host and 1 phantom with crystal soul spear, killing the phantom and leaving host with like 20hp
>gesture aldritch nigga to run in there and he does the absolute madman
>kill all 3 of the remaining people with 1 crystal soul spear
why arent you faggots playing wizards
>>336187015
anon please i already came myself hard enough when i landed that totally sick and purposefully timed skillful parry. you don't need to try to arouse me with lies
>>336187919
Because muh QUALITYRaw is superior for many weapons until rather high levels anyways
>duel someone
>parry and riposte his attack
>he survives with a sliver of health
>manages to get away and heal
This happened like three times... almost made me pull up the character planner for min-maxing.
>>336138238
>get invaded in Anal Rodeo 2.0 right at the elevator
>already have the doors open to the aldrich fight
>wait for invader
>dump all estus so he knows I'm not a shitter
>he doesn't dump all estus
>whatever, that makes the fight more fun
>Invader is some no armor/greataxe retard who walks into my sword swings
>keeps running off to heal up
>finally givaes up and just runs up the stairs to the silver nights while spamming that "hey"
>use a seed tree of giants
>mfw he runs inside to try and get away form the sliver knights
>>336187828
Well done.
>Kill 3 phantoms
>Host hides in fog door
What do I do anons?Why do we even have boss areas that dont auto initiate? Any player that knows this works is not a newbie either.
>>336188247
>not charming them after the riposte
No one to blame but yourself.
>>336188326
In fact that the host refuses to kill the boss implies to me that he has a low level character designed purely for ganking invaders.
Maybe this should be re-titled "gank souls"
>>336188247
>he survives with a sliver of health
Get a washing pole and chase that bitch down.
>getting really good at using the painting guardians sword on my left hand
>been using Astora Straight Sword as main but need something more rewarding but don't want to move up to Dark Sword
Shit, I've been using a straight sword and parrying the fucking world this whole time. I kind of want to start using a thrust weapon but have no idea where to start.
>>336176234
enzo ;_;
>>336188247
most people will roll backwards after the riposte, so move to the right and behind him right after, then time your swing right so it hits once his roll iframes are gone to finish him off
>>336188473
I've been using Dragonslayer Spear since forever. Far from the best and weak to circle-strafing, but I prefer it over the usual meme weapons.
>>336180734
>you invade/find a tongue
>you kill the wraith under/in the undead settlement and go back to him and saw you fucked it up
Daily reminder to equip pic related while clearing a level and not PvPing. Blues are desperate for summons.
>itt: people realize that dark souls was never designed with pvp in mind
>invade in the woods
>host has three phantoms
>mobs are dead
>one decides to be a hero and gets parried and butcher knifed to death
>group just stares
>connection error
REALLY? There's 3 of you, just fucking rush me!
>>336189142
>mechanic present in every game
>but it's not for realsies
>>336188806
This. Watching people play that equip sunbros because LULEPICKEK and never even white stone, drives me crazy
>>336189142
(you)
>>336189142
>Design stages for single player traversal
>Unmitigated 4-5 phantom gangbangs aren't a problem
If anything PvE is reliant on PvP with how FROM designed the game.
One possible fix would be to make enemies (except bosses) stronger and much more aggressive if the host summons phantoms.
Furthermore, you could give them moves specifically made to counter vs. multiple players (wide swings like from Fume Knight, whirlwind attacks etc.). That way summoning wouldn't turn the game into super-easy mode and people would be inclined to summon less, meaning fewer gang-bangs.
>>336189915
They're not going to do anything. Git or get out.
>>336189915
>Summoning costs
>Respawn enemies on phantom summoning
>Give a single estus per new summon to invaders (you also get estus when killing a phantom dont forget)
I prefer all of the above much more. Scaling up enemies is the laziest solution possible -- And likely wont change too much due to how the mechanics are designed.
I don't mind fighting people with phantoms, but the amount of people summoning 2 or 3 phantoms for the last boss was really sad to see.
>>336190648
>sad to see.
if its how they have fun or if they just cant seem to beat it, then whats the big deal.
>>336190852
There is jolly cooperation and then there is gang-raping the game's asshole with an unstoppable respawning phantom army. This element of the game is so badly designed it is detrimental to everything else.
So what are the different levels I should stop at to get good invasions?
I fucked up my first character and brought him all the way to 150.
Now I'm thinking of stopping at 100-120.
But what about lower levels to invade in the early game?
>>336190852
I feel like if you've gone through the game getting help for everything, you could at least fight the last boss by yourself. It's not a particularly hard fight.
>>336191226
>can't kill something like Wolnir without summons
>being able to do Soul
Nah.
>>336140610
>don't use this mechanic in a game it's stupid
>but my mechanic in a game that kills you and sends you back to the bonfire is A okay.
>>336157018
>I never invaded anyone that didn't at least have 1 phantom
I summoned a grape bro for honorobu duel, something must have triggered cause I was immediately invaded by a red phantom and a watch dog right after wards, despite me having been in the road of sacrifice for a good 12mins prior.
I was alone of course.
>>336191039
>ganking invaders is detrimental to everything else in a game that doesnt even need them to be good to begin with
>>336191497
The game was designed to be beatable with a single player. If you don't think that having multiple phantoms with no repercussions is a design problem you are dense as shit.
>>336191226
Ive been in games where i was summoned with two other phantoms and a host against Cinder and everyone but me died. So summons doesnt really make everything 100% easier for them
>>336192083
All that really illustrates is the standard of such players.
>>336155909
most people use shitty effects like blur that hides those sparks. you can be pretty much open in ground and opponents ignore you
>>336192318
Thats what im saying. If theyre not good on their on, at least they can try to get more help to make it LESS impossible. Nothings worse than not being able to finish a game.
>>336192318
This.
>invade as a red
>majority if not all of my invasions are against a host or just 1 phantom
>invade as a grape
>literally the last 9/10 invasions have been either fight clubs or hosts with 2 level synced friends
>>336192083
Funnily enough, having fought Soul of Cinder solo and then helping people, it's way fucking harder with phantoms. I don't know if the way its health works is different from other bosses, but when summoned I was barely able to chip his health but on my own I was doing probably about a tenth of his HP per hit.
>>336193039
>having fought Soul of Cinder solo and then helping people, it's way fucking harder with phantoms
this is objectively wrong because it doesnt take any ability what so ever to just kite the boss around and take turns holding its aggro as the phantoms do damage
the only time its harder is if you summon phantoms and they die right off the bat
>>336192971
Phew lads.
And that is intended for "maximum chaos." Really it should always be this way with invasions becoming MUCH more aggressive the more phantoms you have. A 3-4 Phantom host should be facing an unending stream of fucking invaders. And should at least have an invader cap equal to the number of phantoms summoned.
>>336193039
Yeah, ive felt that also. Part of it I think is because he obviously targets and goes after one person so you can hit him from behind and easily tell when he switches to you. When theres more people hes all over the place.
I do think health scales, somewhat. Havent been too sure, but it feels different between me and a host and me, a host and more phantoms.
>>336193212
>objectively wrong
thats incorrect. hes way more spastic with 2+ phantoms.
>>336193212
>this is objectively wrong
>the only time its harder
So it's not objectively wrong? Let's assume normal conditions where 50% of players are shit and you'll lose a phantom or two and be at a disadvantage.
>>336193384
Health definitely scales up when there's phantoms but with Soul of Cinder it seems like the scaling is way more apparent.
