>all these constant delays
>we still barely know anything about it, except that it might be very different from typical Zeldas
>all this pressure inadvertently building hype
>basically the Wii U's swan song
It's gonna end up being shit, there's no possible way they can deliver at this point.
It's an Aonuma game. It was dead in its brainstorming phase.
Twilight princess all over again boys
It will be the exact same thing we've gotten for years with tacked-on features and foisted social undertones.
This is how Nintendo works. How this fact escapes some people is beyond me.
>>336138042
>That subtitle
>>336138285
Sooo... The version for the older console will be better?
>>336138042
Of course it will be shit. Zelda has been shit for more than a decade and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking casual Nintendouche.
>>336138246
Fuck off, Sean Malstrom
>>336138285
Consider me hyped then
>>336138350
No bruh. It's obvious as fuck Miyamoto played Skyrim and went 'holy shit' and is going to do something different based on that.
>>336138350
Uh, no. What makes this Zelda different as OP mentioned, is that Aonuma is trying his hand at Western vidya trends, like Max Payne/RDR slow-mo combat, an Open World sandbox, and most likely there will be blips on the map marking sidequests.
Unless this was all scrapped in favor of something new, which is definitely a possibility.
>>336139856
>is that Aonuma is trying his hand at Western vidya trends, like Max Payne/RDR slow-mo combat, an Open World sandbox, and most likely there will be blips on the map marking sidequests.
See >>336138350
>the exact same thing we've gotten for years with tacked-on features
After a decade of disappointing Legend of Zelda games, I gave up on the series. All I can hope for is a game that's not as bad as SS or TP
Aonuma is a hack, and should be removed.
>>336140107
I liked ALBW so I still have hope.
>>336140023
>the exact same thing except wildly different
Filtered.
>>336140234
>I liked ALBW so I still have hope.
You have bad taste as well
>>336140402
> wildly different
I take it you haven't played many video games.
Despite what paid reviews say, slapping a few gimmicks onto a game like open world, (which was essentially already a thing), slo-mo combat (the same combat system but with a "cinematic" feel!), and map blips (cosmetic change) do not a wildly different experience make. The core is still going to be the same shit. Get over it.
>>336140616
He means wildly different to the Zelda series you dumb retard
>>336141117
>He means wildly different to the Zelda series you dumb retard
>He
Anyways, the point still stands. Every successive game in the series is exactly as I have described.
>>336138042
When was the last time a game had such a high bar to top. I mean,practically ALL of nintendo's console market is relying on this single game.
Holy shit that is SO much pressure for one single game...
For nintendo'sake it better be thr second comming of christ
It's a good thing that we don't know anything about it a year before release. I hope they reveal as little as possible so it can actually be about discovery
>it's had a lot of work there's no way it can be good
ok shitposter you got me, i'm not hyped anymore.
>>336141643
Maybe it will teach them to fucking try.
>>336138042
Elder Scrolls dethroned Zelda long ago as dungeon and exploration games, as far as the mainstream cares anymore. They'll buy this because "MUH ZELDA!", but with how Nintendo is, I doubt this will be some amazing game by this point.
They're gonna push out the Duke Nukem Forever of Zelda games with this, where it was pushed back and remade constantly due to ideas that were too big and impractical, while the competition has built up over the years to give similar game experiences on a consistent basis.
>>336138553
Depends on what the NX's dumb gimmick is.
>>336138350
>foisted social undertones
You should probably stick to your first language when you post. It clearly isn't english.
>>336138042
how can it be a swan song if its going to be on another platform?
>>336143563
Is there a problem ? That post was concise.
>>336138246
>m-muh Aonuma boogeyman
Anyone have the quote of them saying they want to do something like Skyrim with the new Zelda?
>>336143673
What fucking Zelda game has "foisted social undertones"?
How can something be an undertone and be forced? Doesn't that make it an overtone?
Back to the point though, when has a Nintendo game ever had any of this shit?
>>336143661
It's the Wii U's swansong and the NX grand opening act.
>>336140441
No, you do.
The only thing wrong with ALBW was that it was too easy due to not scaling up in difficulty per dungeon.
>>336143928
This is the closest Aonuma has come to that
“I think the base of our secret sauce has always been Ocarina of Time. But this time, the change in flavor will be like going from Japanese food to Western style food. Perhaps, players will be surprised. Please look forward to it, because I think we’ll be able to make ‘something new’ like Ocarina of Time was.”
>>336144586
This.
>>336144017
>What fucking Zelda game has "foisted social undertones"?
Where did I say that ?
>How can something be an undertone and be forced?
That's not quite what "foist" means.
It means to put something where it doesn't belong, e.g. social issues in a children's fantasy game. Just because something doesn't belong doesn't immediately make it stick out.
Also, "undertone" and "overtone" are essentially synonyms, with the only real distinctions coming from local use. English is a fun language.
>when has a Nintendo game ever had any of this shit?
The same thing with some gimmicks slapped on ?
Every series coming from the gamecube to the Wii, for one. Specifically Twilight Princess' use of Wii motion waggling for the sword on the Wii version while the superior Gamecube version had you pressing buttons like a sane person.
>>336143736
>Noooo! Stop using logic! Stop noticing trends!
>Thinking is a meme!
Go read any Aonuma interview then try to defend him.
Nintendo is a fucking joke.
I don't even dislike Nintendo fans.
>>336145438
>Interviews are worth anything.
You both are a bunch of jokers.
>>336138246
Fucking this.
>>336143736
It's blatantly obvious that Aonuma hates Zelda, just read his interviews and look at the results of the games he's made. Aonuma is cancer, you're denying reality.
>>336145001
Calling it now.
>Cinematic dungeons with baby tier puzzles and long stretches of button mashing combat
>Easy cinematic bosses
>Massive open world with nothing in it but monsters and the occasional cave containing a heart piece that is accessed by lighting a torch
>Due to casuals complaining about missing heart pieces Link now automatically picks up heart pieces after boss
>>336145661
They give insight into how someone thinks and how much influence they have on the development process. You know, evidence you can use to back up arguments, rather than relying on memes and ad hominem.
>>336139856
>What makes this Zelda different
Lol, do you not remember them saying Skyward Sword would be "open world" and then it was literally the most linear Zelda to date
>>336146145
Interviews are worthless and are nothing more than advertisement, people who think interviews have actual value end up backing kickstarters.
>>336144586
That completely undermines the entire game and the game's obsession with heart pieces.
>Broken promises
Uh, what promise did Nintendo break again? Because they never promised that the new Zelda would be a Wii U exclusive. Fucking hell I'm surprised that they're still even bothering to release the game on Wii U with the NX around. Also delaying the game so that it's not a rushed piece of shit is ALWAYS a good thing.
>>336141303
you are one of the gayest tripfags I have ever seen on this board holy shit filtered
>>336144586
>not scaling up in difficulty per dungeon
Is this bait
That's the nature of being able to play the dungeons in whatever order you want which is what everyone bitched about the games not having until then
>>336138570
this
Link to the Past was the last good one. the rest are memes.
>>336146493
Pre-release interviews are advertising, true, and you shouldn't trust anything they say without proof. That said, post-release interviews are the best way to understand why a game ended up the way it did.
>>336138042
>mfw the new Zelda might not even get a subtitle
>>336138042
they always say it'll be different.
no reason to believe this will deliver it'll be oblivion/skyrim with worse elements everywhere and cel shading. oh and no voice acting.
>>336147148
Fair and true enough, it's amazing the disparity that can be found in statements after the finished product is out.
>>336147308
>It's a HD remake of the first game
That could actually be pretty co...It's a HD reimagining of the first game, roughly translating to "it has the same story but with lots more references to the time line and Kingdom Hearts combat"All of the bosses have one eye now as well.
>>336138350
you'll probably be able to summon people to help like dark souls. only somehow they'll screw it up.
>>336146859
''Yes Zelda is definitely releasing in 2015, I'm sure''
Anon please you are triggering me.
>>336146391
They never said Skyward Sword was open world.
They said that the areas outside dungeons would feel like dungeons, and they wanted to alter the "exploring a field ->conquering a dungeon -> returning to the field" of past games. I remember a lot of folks thinking that meant Skyward Sword was going to have a level select system similar to Four Swords, which is kind of what ended up happening.
>>336138042
>all these constant delays
Name two.
>>336147854
Who fucking gives a shit about some release date put out by some retarded marketer who has no idea how video games work? Literally every major video game besides maybe Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty will be delayed months, maybe years, because game development is hell and those companies live in it.
>first collect three X by fighting three bosses
>then collect 5 Y by fighting five bosses
>then fight ganondorf
>but not before he fuses with something
>and then becomes a monster
>>336147919
Not OP but I can only think of 2 actually.
-Premiere gameplay ends with a 2015 promise.
-Last teaser ends with ''2016''
>>336148065
>retarded marketer
Jesus I know people don't like Aonuma but that's a little harsh anon.
>>336148152
But Ganondorf didn't become a monster in WW.
>>336138042
Just from what we know about the game I'm fully expecting it to break the OoT mold and be a non-linear, Zelda 1-style game where you can go almost anywhere from the start and do the dungeons out of order. What little we've seen it already looks significantly better than Skyward Sword, and if ALBW is any indication it will be.
>>336148152
how dare Zelda be Zelda.
>Wii U's swan song
>buying the inferior version
Always a cuck
>>336147919
2015 -> 2016
2016 -> 3/2017
3/2017 -> ???/2017
>>336140441
>>thing you like
SHIT
>>336138042
Every Zelda game gets delayed, this is nothing new.
wiiu version will be scrapped it'll be released in 2018, holiday season for nx as an exclusive.
>>336148312
>Blindly wants to buy the NX despite the Wii U being an absolute dumpster fire of a console
Never change, Nintencuck.
>>336148227
You think that Aonuma's the one who puts out the offical word on a release date?
"Aonuma, when's new Zelda?"
"Well, it might be late 2016, but I wouldn't doubt that it could go well into 2017 as w-"
"2016, got it."
>>336147919
The release date literally got changed twice this fucking week you idiot
>>336148467
Please, go play dark souls 3 and be quiet.
>>336144586
>The only thing
that's a huge thing tho
Can't wait to play this game and have it tell me everytime I start it up that a green rupee is worth one rupee
>>336148484
Anon stop pretending to be retarded, the Zelda video had Aonuma literally saying ''Yes Zelda is releasing 2015''
>>336148484
>Miyamoto: So it'll be released this year?
>Aonuma: Yes, it's definitely coming this year!
>said on camera in 2015
>Yes, we are aiming for a 2015 release
>hey i'm also going to release the new Star Fox in 2015 it'll be amazing!
Broken dreams everywhere
>>336138042
The question is, will it really be worth playing on the WiiU?
We still don't know if there will be any difference in the 2 versions.
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>>336148608
not like Zelda is known for its challenge. not really an issue.
>>336148756
"Okay, say that it's coming out in 2015."
"What? That's impossible, especially with us working on the NX version!"
"Of course it's impossible, we just have to trick a couple thousand more people into buying the Wii U to get rid of stock before we unveil the NX version. If we say 2016, people will think "That's a long way off, I'll wait for the next gen version. If we say it's coming out soon people will jump on and buy our old system to prepare for it."
>>336147308
What if
>Legend of Zelda for Wii U & Legend of Zelda for NX
>>336148560
>twice
what?
>>336145328
>Where did I say that ?
Probably the first post in this idiotic reply chain.
>>336138350
>>336138350
>>336140023
Fuck off tripfag
>>336148619
that was a blue rupee.
and it did it every time you grabbed one.
>>336148815
It'll play fine on Wii U, but the NX version is definitely going to be the definitive one. Spec wise the NX is going to be a big upgrade, it won't be like Gamecube and Wii Twilight Princess where there was no difference.
>>336149078
From 2016 to 3/2017 during the investor's call earlier this week
From 3/2017 to just 2017 yesterday
>>336138042
Zelda is Nintendo's swan song. They probably put too much money on this game and their only chance of getting profits out of it is to release it on both Wii U and the new console.
I too would like a Wii U exclusive but they can't do it now that they announced the Wii U successor. As for me, I already knew that I won't buy the next system the moment I bought my Wii U. At least not before a huge price cut.
>>336146493
That's exactly the thing though, if they're meant to be an advertisement they do a shitty fucking job because they make it clear just how much of a hack Aonuma is.
>>336148794
Star Fox was amazing though.
>>336149248
>Spec wise the NX is going to be a big upgrade
bullshit. and even if it is, they're screwed. they're not differentiating themselves from competitiors enough. we can't have three same-y consoles on the market. it's never tolerated it for long.
>>336149375
Sure was AMAZING to have a 64 remake with wack controls.
>>336149285
and then 2017 to ?????
>>336149381
>we can't have three same-y consoles on the market. it's never tolerated it for long.
I'm sure the 5 people in Japan that own an Xbox One are going to have a difficult decision to make.
I don't mind the delays as long as it ends up being a GOAT game.
>>336149507
Controls are fine, stop complaining on a game you clearly never played.
>>336149593
>Japanese
>buying consoles
they don't care anymore.
>>336149615
So the controls work, what about the game is amazing?
>>336149381
You think it won't be a big upgrade? You think it'll be another TP situation where the next gen console is actually literally the same hardware as the previous gen console, and thus the port is literally identical?
Because personally, I highly doubt that.
>>336149014
>both versions are half a game each
>>336149615
no he totally did
the /v/ wii u conundrum is that nobody owns a wii u but everybody also does so the know how bad the games are
>>336138246
>>336145667
>>336145667
>>336145438
>B-b-but AONUMA!
Hey, guess who was responsible for designing the Zelda games you all LOVE to hold up as the best in the series? Oh, right, Aonuma. He designed dungeons, enemies, items, etc. in fucking OoT, he designed at least half the dungeons himself.
You people are just fucking so fucking hilariously ignorant it almost hurts to laugh at you. When he's actually directly involved in the design process it doesn't count and it was everyone else involved that made the game great. When he's a figurehead, he's Satan incarnate and is personally responsible for ruining the game despite not actually designing any of the content.
>>336149750
why would it?
no indication Nintendo cares about that.
>>336149841
desu nobody ever said the dungeons were bad
dungeons were the best part of Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword, they've always been the best part of otherwise mediocre zelda games too
>NX releases in 2017
>Sony and Microsoft announce new consoles at E3 2017
Nintendo always a step behind lmao
>>336149841
Nice falseflag
>>336149735
I hope you aren't implying Xbox is doing well in the West.
>>336140107
>dislikes best zeldas
Please check yourself into a retirement home
>>336149985
one of them will drop out anyway.
shame it's not sony.
>>336149381
>bullshit. and even if it is, they're screwed. they're not differentiating themselves from competitiors enough.
That's not a concern. One of the very few things they've repeatedly said about the NX is that it's going to feature "brand new concept" i.e. a new gimmick.
>we can't have three same-y consoles on the market. it's never tolerated it for long.
Says who? In Japan the console market is ripe for a leader. The Xbone is non-existent over there and the PS4 isn't lighting the charts on fire. Overseas, Nintendo absolutely needs the NX to be powerful in order to attract third party developers The NX won't be successful without mainstream games normie eat up like Fallout, Madden, Destiny, and Call of Duty, they're the reason the PS4 is selling so well and why the 360 so well before. Just look at the Wii U to see how well Nintendo does without them.
>>336149841
Dungeon designer = can't ruin the game with his shit ideas
Head honcho = can ruin the game with his shit ideas
What's complicated about this?
>>336149841
The real issue is the pacing and overall control and usefulness of what you have access to in a lot of recent Zelda games. That shit was Koizumi in OoT and MM and him leaving the series after WW becomes immediately apparent.
>>336149978
>Nintendo NX rumours is that it's more powerful than the PS4 and Xbone, a half step generation like the Wii U was to the 360, or the Wii to the Gamecube
>MS and Sony suddenly come out with rumours that they're making .5 consoles
Oh boy, nintendo's gonna have a tough time
>>336149615
>Controls are fine
Nintendrones will defend anything
>>336149970
I hated SS dungeons. tp were pretty good though. every single thing in SS felt barren and empty. and sterile like some child's mcdonald's playplace.
>>336150090
Microsoft has literally done more damage to gaming in two gens than Nintendo, Sony and Sega have done collectively since the 80's. I would tolerate ten Sonys if it meant Microsoft would fuck off.
>>336150181
I can't see the .5 consoles actually getting much support though. No dev in their right mind would make exclusives for them.
>>336149978
>>336150181
>implying normies are going to drop another $400 on a marginally better system while their old one, that they only bought 2 years ago, still works fine and plays the same games.
The .5 consoles are going to fucking fail, hard. There's a reason console generations always last at least 5 years. Nintendo is going to have a hard time launching and selling a console mid-generation, but I guarantee you the NX is going to do better than any of the .5 consoles.
>>336150270
You liked tp's dungeons?
>>336150274
those other three haven't done damage though. xbox 1 was literally just a shitty pc that weighed as much as a truck. and it popularized fps on console. it's to blame for everything.
>>336150527
>>implying normies are going to drop another $400 on a marginally better system while their old one
you don't know how normies work, do you?
>>336149736
The game is also fine. It is short but intense which allow instant fun and lots of replay value. I see it as an arcade game like Metal Slug or a shmup. It's just that some of you wanted it to be a 10-15 hours linear game with cinematics and dialogues (like bayonetta).
>>336150579
Let's not set aside the brutal corporate warfare Microsoft also brought. Corporate warfare in gaming has always been underhanded but Microsoft stepped it the fuck up.
>>336150527
I dunno, you're talking about the same generation that loves getting cucked by apple with pointless iphone upgrades every other year..
>>336150495
most devs on pc don't make exclusives for high end machines.
same thing right?
what's the issue?
>>336150579
Also while it was clearly necessary in the 80's Nintendo inarguably did long term damage to the industry by shutting out third party devs. It is exactly the reason Nintendo is stagnating now.
>>336138042
Isn't this the one that's rumored to have a female protagonist?
>>336150823
Point is, developers are going to keep making games on the same level of the standard PS4 and Xbone, and thus, presumably, also on the level of the NX.
>>336151140
black female protagonist, yes. maybe you can make link a gerudo.
>>336151271
Nah it's just going to be Linkle.
>>336151235
with options to run better. there's literally nothing devs can only do with the hardware they couldn't do with the inferior hardware (more poorly of course)
hell, even a game like dead rising could've been done on ps2. albeit with shitty framerate and draw distance. but still could've been playable.
>>336149841
Yeah he did the dungeons in MM and they were pretty great, but his management is awful and he clearly has no ideas.
I mean fuck, think about this, he's admitted that he gave up on Zelda 1 on the first Octorok and never liked the game, now he's spent 5 years trying to make a game that emulates Zelda 1. What the fuck is this guy's logic?
>>336150808
Consoles aren't phones. Cellphones have always come with the expectation that you'll upgrade it every few years, they're designed around planned obsolescence. Consoles have always come with the expectation that your purchase will last 5+ years. That expectation isn't going suddenly change overnight like Sony is expecting and that's why the PS4.5 is (hopefully) going to fail.
>>336150789
How does that make it amazing though? It's basically the same game as 3 generations ago with different controls and no secret final boss or whatever.
You should expect more after so long.
>>336151453
aonuma here: I just want to make you guys happy. :)
>>336151482
>that's why the PS4.5 is (hopefully) going to fail.
if it doesn't, then console gaming is deader than dead. the situation is already looking grim across the board, but that would just take the cake
>>336138285
I hope. TP is my favorite Zelda. Coincidentally Aonuma has gone on record saying that he's using TP as a starting point of sorts for Zelda U, saying that much of what he's implementing now are ideas he first had while making that game.
>>336151453
Miyamoto's original vision for Zelda was not based on any previous game either, and he never even played games before he started making them. Miyamoto's entire design philosophy is entirely incompatible with your retarded requirement of having to play the previous entry in order to make the next one.
Isn't it a good thing that Aonuma is working from that same foundation that Miyamoto was, instead of just being a Zelda fan trying to recreate the experience of their favorite game?
>>336151814
Yup. One of the biggest advantages of console is that developers are making games for fixed hardware, meaning they can optimize their games to that specific hardware set and not have to worry about a multitude of factors. It's how games like GTAV were able to be made for 2005-tier hardware like the 2360. Sony, and potentially Microsoft, are shitting over that entire aspect and are fucking over consumers who just bought their PS4/Xbones 2 years ago.
>>336151814
>console gaming is deader than dead if a new thing succeeds
You realize how fucking retarded that sounds, right? You're basically saying that if a new idea succeeds and makes money and is popular, then that means the i dustry behind that idea is dead. Dead industries don't make money and popular things aren't considered dead.
>>336152531
No because he didn't make it.
>>336138042
Chances are this is going to be an open world game acceptable by early 7th gen standards.
>>336153110
Not like that matters considering how shit post-6th gen standards have been anyways.
>>336152182
He's talking about how Twilight Princess was delayed so it could be on both the wii and the gamecube nothing about the actual game itself.
>>336153110
And that's a bad thing? Most games past 6th gen are pretty fucking awful.
>>336153420
I guess that makes more sense in context but my statement still stands.
>>336152632
you know exactly what I mean. Things aren't supposed to be this way.
>>336152531
Miyamoto had very little to do with zelda up until Ocarina of Time, when he rehashed most of the ideas Takashi Tezuka used for a link to the past.
He then gave the series to Eiji Aonuma and started his "upending the tea table" persona.
Miyamoto is a hack that has been overused by Nintendo and gotten drunk on his own image.
>>336149841
But Aonuma didn't work on LttP.
>>336155193
>Miyamoto had very little to do with zelda up until Ocarina of Time
That's slightly arguable considering he started the series.
>>336155193
>Miyamoto had very little to do with zelda up until Ocarina of Time
Revisionist history at its finest
>>336155569
He created the idea, but he had very little to do with any of the games.
He's the one that close to Twilight Princess's release "upended the tea table" and demanded something more from it.
Which is when the wolf segment was tacked on, from a supposed new IP.
You'll see this if you watch the first twilight princess trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOW7BpvW9Rk
With a more lord of the rings feel, and armies of lizalfos
>>336151453
>he gave up on Zelda 1 on the first Octorok
At least get it right, faggot
He quit because he went to another screen where there were more octoroks and assumed the game had no enemy variety which he didn't like because the octoroks' projectiles kept hitting him
>>336155193
A bit of hyperbole here, but there is a tidbit or truth here. Miyamoto has been used as an image by Nintendo. Even now, I don't think he has as much real power as people think he does. (ie: Paper Mario)
I have to wonder if Aonuma is the same post-TP.
Depending on Nintendo's E3 I might just sell my Wii U. I'm not optimistic.
The fact that I haven't already sold it makes me a stupid Nintendo shill, I guess.
>>336138553
Considering it was designed with it in mind, yes.
>>336138042
>tfw you believed in Nintendo only for them to let you down
Fuck Nintendo
>>336156096
I doubt TP changed anything out of all his games considering it's the second most successful Zelda game.
>>336156117
Not just directed at you but what are people really hoping will come from nintendo still?
That the nx will somehow blow their minds and be the best thing ever imagined? With nintendos track record why would people still have that faith?
People are expecting zelda wii u/nx to be so fantastic that it will be the saving grace? can that even happen any more?
>>336155868
>he had very little to do with any of the games
>The Legend of Zelda
>Lead designer: Shigeru Miyamoto
>Director: Shigeru Miyamoto
>Producer: Shigeru Miyamoto
Sounds pretty fucking involved to me, anon.
>>336156436
I mean that, after TP, he moved to a producer role, just like Miyamoto before him.
>>336156117
Selling a console depending by an annual gaming show makes you look way more stupid, just saying.
It's embarassing how much some people take this kind of crap personal. It's like you buy and sell stuff without thinking, you just do it because someone else tells you to do so.
>>336156504
I've basically lost hope at this point. Being a Nintendo fan is suffering. I just stay with them because I used to like the games they put out, and lately it's just a case of clinging to that last hope that Nintendo could be good again.
>>336156554
>he did one game
>>336156643
Which is why Skyward Sword was such a shit because its made by the people that grew up not understanding why the zelda games were good, made by a guy that never understood what made zelda good, taught by a man that never understood his own idea.
>>336156727
E3 will tell me what's left to get excited about for the Wii U until it's forgotten for the NX. If it's just Zelda then that's not enough to justify me holding on to the console.
>>336157080
I dunno. The director did MC before, and the two games have a lot of similarities. (mostly in plot though, which is weird)
>>336157113
There is nothing coming for the wii u besides zelda wii u (which nintendo will do a twilight princess and say the definite version is the wii version) and paper mario color splash.
Nintendo will only show zelda wii u this e3.
>>336157080
>he did one game
More like "he did the first game". If that doesn't tie him to the backbone of the series, I don't know what does.
>>336157080
SS is an okay game on its own merits. Flawed, but still decent. It did kind of miss the boat on what makes Zelda what it is.
>>336157113
I still don't get it. On E3 2006 people sold the GC just because the Wii was announced? People sold their N64 when the GC was announced? What kind of shitty reasoning is that?
>>336158190
It's not about having the NX announced, it's about the support and games still coming for the Wii U. If there won't be any more exciting games for the Wii U then what's the point keeping it?
>>336158190
Don't you know that old toys are worthless once the shiny new ones come out?
>>336153713
No, you're right:
https://youtu.be/J_EXrJHsJzQ?t=4m20s
He's definitely saying he's building on elements from TP.
>>336158642
I seriously hope people don't actually throw things away the second they don't see a need for them. What a fucking disgrace that logic is
Gotta love how this post >>336158642 exemplifies perfectly this post >>336158659
>>336158748
Funny, because the game reminds me more of Wind Waker the more I know about it.
>Colorful style
>Open world
>Gliding
I guess it can be argued that it's the fusion of both concepts, due to the horse riding and all.
>>336155996
So he gave up after the first octorok.
>>336138042
shit? Not necessarily
Unable to deliver to the expectations of fans? Absolutely
let's face it, every time a game is delayed, our expectations of the final result are subconciously raised, to make it 'worth waiting the extra time for', the longer it's delayed, even if it's a quality product in the end, the less people will like it.
>>336149841
>guess who was responsible for designing the Zelda games you all LOVE to hold up as the best in the series? Oh right, Aonuma.
None of the games Aonuma has worked on are anywhere close to being the best in the series.
>He designed dungeons, enemies, items, etc. in fucking OoT, he designed at least half the dungeons himself.
You keep spouting this revisionist history. All Aonuma did in OoT was some dungeon design here and there, and he was responsible for the Water Temple, the temple that everyone hates.
Aonuma has said himself he's unable to beat the original Zelda and dies to Octoroks. He has said himself that the things he found most fun to do in Link to the Past were lifting rocks and cutting grass.
You keep defending this man that BLATANTLY hates Zelda itself. A man that was only hired because he made wooden dolls in college and Miyamoto liked that. A man with zero game design experience was given COMPLETE FUCKING CONTROL of a series and has RUN THE SERIES INTO THE GROUND UNDER HIS DIRECTION.
But no, it's just a coincidence! The single common thread among all shitty Zelda games is just a coincidence!
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>>336148152
isn't that why its a "series"
as long as everything in between is good, who cares if it follows the same pattern? Its not like the other games didn't try to trough in twists and surprises
>>336149841
The skills required to design a good dungeon are not the same skills required to direct the development of an entire game.
>>336159527
miyamoto doesn't even develop games anymore. he just produces them.
HAVE YOU EVER MADE A GAME?
Still don't understand the hate for delays.
If they need the time to make a better game, good. I mean sure it sucks that we have to wait but if you get THAT invested into it, thats your own fault.
I'd rather have a good game in the future then a bad one now, is what I'm saying. You should be glad Nintendo still cares enough about their product to delay it (potentially losing them money) rather than release an unfinished, broken one, as many publishers tend to do these days.
>>336151601
>Its basically the same game
Did you even play it friendo?
>>336159934
I thought Project Guard/Star Fox Guard was Miyamoto.
>>336160007
wrong developer, asshat
>>336138042
>Thats what shitposters really believe
>>336160305
That was directed at everyone thinking they can make the ultimate game, not the people actually making games. Also language.
>>336160012
I've seen a dozen posts like these and I feel like you'd have to have no idea what the situation is to say that.
This isn't a case of "we need to delay it to make it better :)" this is very clearly a case of "Wii U is dead so fuck everyone that invested in that sinking ship, we're delaying it so we can launch it on NX which will hopefully be less of a disaster".
The game has probably been finished for a while now and most of the time they've taken has just been for porting it.
>>336160276
producer. maybe producers have a large part of actually developing, I don't know. thought they mostly promoted things, etc. all the boring stuff.
guess the role is different from a movie producer.
>>336160676
You can't say that for sure. I guess we'll just have to wait until e3
>>336160791
Huh, I thought he said he was developing a handful of smaller projects a while back and Project Guard was one of them.
>>336160012
I'd rather have a pretty good game now, and an even better version a little later.
why do devs hate money?
>>336150527
>there's a reason console generations always last at least 5 years
that's funny, because if the NX comes out in 2017, and the Wii U came out in 2012, then the lifespan of the console will be 5 years.
>>336161889
4 and a half but close enough, and still a better deal than the GBA was given.
>>336159527
In the near future /v/ will decide that he was an idea guy all along. would not surprise me.
>>336162267
Miyamoto is literally and idea guy + designer.
>>336161034
>You can't say that for sure
I suppose I can't because I can't see the internal workings of this company, but basic logic should tell you what's going on when it goes from being a 2015 title to a 2016 title to a 2017 title that just so happens to coincide with the release of their new console.
