Is he a memorable villain?
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>>336041949
In the same way the night you get raped is a memorable night.
>>336041949
Dear Sheperd,
Ayy lmao.
Sincerely, Kai Leng aka the meme king
>>336042171
That's the only thing I really remember about him.
>>336042252
Telling from experience?
Nah. He was just this whiny little boy who got upset when The Illusive Man stopped paying attention to him.
>>336041949
He didn't really have enough characterization to love or hate.
Just a glorified merc that made me chuckle over the fact he went out of his way to send spam mail.
>>336041949
who?
>>336041949
Who? He like kinda familiar.
>>336041949
He was a cheap way to get Thane killed, if it weren't for his super speshul nothing personnel backstory he might've just been a random Phantom.
Leng?
>>336041949
he was memorable alright, but not in a good way
same good be said about ME3 as a whole really
>>336041949
Yes but not in a positive way.
>>336041949
Memorable for all the wrong reasons. Also the literal definition of plot armour, you could slap his shit so hard that he'd spill cereal everywhere yet that armour prevents you from taking the win.
Will never stop laughing at the fact that he's asian and has slit eye goggles on.
Bastard ate my Cocopops.
>>336041949
You mean nightwing?
Why couldn't you just shoot him when he was fighting Thane? He might be a super edgy augmented ninja but he can't dodge a Claymore to the face.
>>336043463
is that the only question you had about ME3 really? the game itself plot holed itself practically out of existence it was so rushed
He's literally an unoriginal edgy anime character.
Kai's okay.
Sovereign is GOAT.
>>336043604
No, but already knowing more or less what was going to happen nothing else really surprised me.
It was pretty foreseeable that Mordin or Legion were going to get killed or that the overall was going to make no sense.
But fucking hell, that part was cheap as shit. They just wanted to kill Thane and threw their OC donut steel anime character at him.
Man it is all coming flooding back.
>ME1
ps2 tier graphics and endless elevator action.
>ME2
ok do my choices matter because I'm kind of stuck in the middle here, but the combat is kind of fun. where did the jellyfish guys go? did dev get bored of experimenting?
>ME3
ok can't you increase the difficulty by doing more than infinite spawning enemy sections? ok can't we have some other types of gameplay for variety? ok the ending oh man. Why did Miranda get a worse ass?
>that one book where he literally pissed in Anderson's cereal after breaking into his apartment
One of the worst characters ever
>>336044215
No anon he ate the cereal and pissed in his house plants.
>>336044464
Oh.
That's even worse
>>336044820
Just another day for ME's resident edgelord.
>>336044963
reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC6T3_O2iWc
in the sense that its something so mundane and stupid and yet bioware tries to make it seem like something badass
its hilarious actually
Nightwing is a villian?
He's a madman
A madman!
So Kai Leng the Cereal Killer, Pot Pisser and Toothbrush Murderer killed the best assassin in the galaxy and has as much implants and skill as Shepard?
He's like an edgier, retarded parody of Raiden.
>>336047026
Thane had terminal jellyfish cancer
And it wasn't even a clean kill
>>336044215
>>336044464
>>336044820
>>336044963
Reminder that the book in question was so bad Bioware themselves declared it non-canon
>>336047414
>terminal jellyfish cancer
it's funny how accurate that is
>>336046054
>you will never break into someone's house and eat the cereal out of their cupboard and then proceed to put the cereal box in the exact same place as it was before having ate said cereal
>>336046054
How did Dietz fuck up this bad? His vidya books are usually pretty solid
>>336047868
I dunno but it's worth looking up the list of "stupid shit the author got wrong"
Because it's a pretty impressive list of Just Didn't Care
>>336047781
Absolutely DEVILISH
Truth to be told:Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet.
So you survived our fight on Thessia. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop me. Now an entire planet is dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Shepard needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death.
-KL
>YOU ARE NOT SAREN
Oh my.
>>336048936
Reapers in the ME1
>YOU ARE NOT SAREN
Reapers in the ME2
>I WILL HUNT YOU PERSONALLY INSULT AND TAUNT EACH TIME
>>336049212
Well Sovereign and Harbinger were doing different jobs. Sovereign was just an agent, and was supposed to lay low because he'd be fucked if word got out about him. Harbinger was the full-on leader of the army and wasn't there in person so he didn't have to worry about discovery.
>>336041949
Worst character.
>taunting you for losing
>even though you won but the game stole a victory in the cutscene after it took control away
They did that so wrong.
You can't expect people to feel any sort of emotion when taunted for losing a fight they won the entire time they were in control.
>>336049426
>ME1
>self proclaimed machine-god that says you and all your kind are beneath its notice
>ME2
>tsun-tsun creepy stalker obsessed with a single"bacteria"
>>336041949
I remember him for all the wrong reasons.
>>336049818
Perhaps Harbinger had OCD?
>>336049426
>Sovereign was just an agent, and was supposed to lay low because he'd be fucked if word got out about him
Saren was the one who conviced him to go with such long plan was a better way, Sovereign wanted to just arrive drop thousands of geths and open portal
He never gave enough shit about "living" and was totally alien
>>336041949
I remember he was a cereal killer.
>>336049818
Explained in ME2, the Reapers took personal interest in Shepard because he was responsible for killing Sovereign.
>>336049931
>Reapers took personal interest
lol
This is why me2 was garbage
And Shepard wasn't even one who killed him, it was fucking united fleet of alliance and council and you only survived long enough in the fight
>>336049931
The Reapers also took interest in the galaxy-wide shift to an ammo system and gave into peer pressure. They could have loaded their brainwashed troops with nuclear-death-beam Reaper tech, but no. Thermal Clips are the way of the future.
>>336041949
He makes as much sense as Clone Shepard, the difference is Clone is cheesy and Kai is edgy.
>>336049931
They wouldn't care, though. Sovereign got himself killed.
>Hey Harbinger, Nazara's fucking dead
>Hm, I wonder how that happened
>Seems like he was fighting something called a Shepard when his brain overloaded
>Oh. Well. He always was a rash faggot. Got that from his species, I guess. Chalk it up to retardation
>>336050114
>This is why me2 was garbage
ME2 was the best one M8.
Honestly one of the worst villains I've ever seen in a game; he basically breaks the lore of the entire setting just by existing. Why the fuck is there a ninja in space?
>>336050207
>The Reapers also took interest in the galaxy-wide shift to an ammo system and gave into peer pressure
Because clips>overheat
>>336050207
>every single person in the entire universe of thousands of billions of people stopped using the infinite-ammo versions of guns
>in like a year
>even remote fucking outposts that would benefit greatly from not needing to resupply
>>336041949
I never played any ME games, but this thread pops up every know and then and thanks to that i remember him, so i guess it counts opie
>>336050410
No, practically infinite ammo > ammo
>>336041949
His final boss fight was the most infuriating experiences I have ever had with videogames.
>>336050439
>even outposts that were isolated from communication and trade
>THERMAL CLIPS
Ever since my friend pointed out this inconsistency Jacob's mission became an even bigger shit show. These fuckers were trapped on the planet pre-Sovereign and still ended up with thermal clips.
>>336050596
>planet that's been out of contact for 10 years
>has thermal clips and robots only introduced in the last 2
Why did they even bother
Dude got beat up by a dying lizard. With cancer.
That's the opposite of menacing.
>>336050596
>>336050660
Still better game than first one
>>336050596
>>336050501
>>336050410
There was no change in ammo system, the ammo system is the same. It was a retcon is all, the "clips" aren't actual ammo, they're just things that absorb heat and need to be taken out when they get too hot. The thing about having a huge block of ammo that gets tiny bullets sheared off is still true.
>>336050402
>Why the fuck is there a ninja in space?
Woah anon lets not say anything we can't take back. Phantoms were pretty fantastic. Hand an Iron man like hand weapon and a sword that said fuck you to your shields. Playing as them in MP was pretty fun.
>>336041949
Are you shitting me? How the fuck could anyone forget Kylo Ren?
>>336044215
Kind of reminds me of those /b/ threads where you broke into someone's house and you had to find the perfect spot to poop
>>336050738
Yes, yes, thank you Captain Pedant
You know what we all mean
>fight with thane starts
>thane eventually repels his attack
>then thane decides to randomly charge leng with no strategy only to get stabbed through the gut
What the fuck
>>336050738
Then why doesn't it cool between shots like it had for decades?
>>336051065
According to ME3: "They took that part out to make room for the clips"
>>336051065
No, there's no time.
Use up more galactic resources and kill more robots instead of using the mods already on the market that keep guns from getting CLOSE to overheating.
>>336051009
Don't forget:
>Holds gun right up to guys ahead instead of standing out of arms each
Post actual good antagonists.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/D6O3EW7.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>336051009
>Thane has gun
>Leng has sword
>Thane charges towards him
>>336051318
sounds like cowboy bepop
>>336051317
This guy was almost the fucking same concept but executed better by a massive margin.
>>336051009
>charge at enemy who has a sword while you have a gun
>two people firing at him in close range and you never even see a shot hit near him or fly past him
>he makes no effort to avoid bullets, just slowly walks around with his sword while the bullets are swallowed by a screen transition and vanish
I swear all the Leng stuff was written by a 12 year old naruto fanboy. I don't know what blackmail he had on Bioware to make them put all his garbage into the game though.
>>336050439
it still gets me how they put this in game, and chose the most retarded unlikeable character to voice that opinion with Shepard going out of his/her way to make fun of him
>>336051510
People loved me2, so of course they would love something like this too
>>336049426
Sovereign was more intimidating than Harbinger ever was, but I was still kind of disappointed that they didn't give him any dialogue in ME3.
Harbinger was hammy, but he was the only Reaper that Shep had any identifiable conflict with at after ME1.
Though maybe that's the point. And they just wanted to backtrack on the taunting and make them seem more impersonable to try and fit the explanation of their motives.
>>336051640
I'm fine with Harbinger having no dialogue in 3.
The only time you talk with Sovereign is a fluke. You poked his digital mind and it spoke to you until it was bored.
Harbinger going out of its way to talk to you on a regular basis removes all threat. This is an ancient bio-robotic monstrosity that has existed from time immemorial and it's got Shepard on speeddial.
>>336051317
I'm actually having a hard time coming up with main villains that I actually really liked. Most of the time they always end up underdeveloped.
Saren and GLaDOS were pretty good I suppose.
>>336041949
raiden's the good guy idiot
Why did people hate the best part of the first mass effect so hard bioware pussied out and removed it?
>>336051317
>>336052151
A lot of the sections that involved the Mako were boring planets.
Mako was rad. Majority of levels w/ Mako were bad.
>>336047414
God damnit
>>336052151
It pisses me off that instead of fixing the issues with the Mako, Bioware just removed it.
>>336052151
Everything the mako was used for outside of the main quest was poorly done.
>>336041949
Unfortunately
Good concept art
Bad execution
>>336051317
Who's up for Atlas Shrugged?
>>336052263
Mako was poorly done, but I've never supported entirely removing a system because it didn't work out.
It could have been done better. Instead they gave up on it.
>every government agreed to use new, untested alien technology
>every military agreed to be rearmed in their entirety
>every weapons manufacturer agreed to make brand new guns using brand new technology
>and make the new technology universal across all non-heavy weapons
>all militias, mercenary groups and raiders/pirates agreed to rearm themselves with the new guns
>the supply lines to make/supply these millions of guns and tens of millions of thermal clips just pop into existence
>all of this happened on a galactic scale
>in two years
>>336052398
m-muh DPS
That's seriously the reason why guns with unlimited ammo were abandoned.
>>336048936
.>YOU EXIST BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT
>>336052372
I enjoyed roaming around in the randomly generated mess that was the side content planet free roam. Not like it was mandatory.
I'm surprised he's not /v/'s favourite character since he's a weab's wet dream
Him and a lot of characters from 3 were just book bait.
>insert nobody character
>give them just enough screentime to make you feel like there is supposed to be a connection
>give no fucking backstory or buildup or climax
>forced to wiki the characher to find out why you should give a shit
>"Oh there was a book with them in it...."
WoW does this shit all the time as well
>>336041949
Memorable in a bad way. Here's hoping the new Mass Effect will learn from his mistakes, but I'm not expecting it.
>>336052398
That can actually happen if a brand new absolutely superiror technology gets discovered, especially during a war.
Planes in 5 years of WW2 advanced from flying windmills to jets.
>>336052551
>these geth are super quick at "reloading" with these thermal clips of theirs
>do you think this could be because they're fucking robots with inhuman reaction times and perfect hand eye coordination?
>no I'm sure the regular soldier used to not using his gun like a retard and letting it cool down will be just as good at reloading as any robot
>>336052394
I imagine that there'll be plenty of that in Andromeda.
>gun that cools down while not in use
>gun that needs reloading
Even if it took 4x as long to cool, you could pull out your side arm and use that instead. Plus you can focus on not getting shot.
Reloading requires attention. People also make mistakes while reloading since they need to do it fast while under pressure.
The cooling would have to take AGES to justify replacing with reloading.
Keep in mind too, that no one can actually load weapons (even future space weapons, it's still taking something out and putting something in) as fast as you can in video games.
>>336052398
>in Metal Gear Solid we go from simple Radios in MGS3 to holograms in MGSV
>before the Codec was invented
>no one complaints but instead embraces it
It's a common problem.
>>336052551
Going from overheat to thermal paste pickups was hardly bad compared to how gutted the attachment system was in the subsequent games. There was that one rad gun mod that quadrupled your heat buildup per shot but turned any gun you put it on into an artillery cannon. Why get rid of rad shit like that?
>>336050207
>>336050738
it would cost more to make disposable heatsinks that reload faster that a manual internal cooling system. the clips are only usefull for specops or small scale operations, as it is far more cost efficiant to have a weapon with low supply and matinence.
>>336052798
In this case it would be like every soldier in every army being issued a plane because planes are the future of warfare and everyone has to have one
He's memorable, but for all the wrong reasons. The same way that a man shitting on my living room carpet would be memorable
Kai Leng
>kick the fuck out of him in a fight
>defeats me in a cutscene
>trash talks via email
>Shep (you know, your character) gets all saddy-wad because he failed
No. Fuck you Bioware. I wish I'd never played your piece of shit.
>>336052880
This.
Why not carry another of the weapon you specialize in? If you only specialize in pistols, why not two pistols? When one overheats for some reason, go to the other pistol.
>>336051317
Pagan Min did nothing wrong.
>You will never go shoot some guns with him.
>>336051447
At least Spike had the excuse of being too injured to shoot straight and was fighting a meth head.
>>336053164
Fucking Shepard bawling over Thessia, like beating Fag Li's ass into the dirt and taking the Prothean VI thing would have driven the Reapers off the planet
The fuck were they thinking
>>336053182
>If you only specialize in pistols, why not two pistols?
>you will never be the Revolver Ocelot of space
The last thing I expected from this thread was depression.
>>336052394
I actually really liked the Hammerhead. Shame it didn't get integrated into the main game in time to mean anything.
>>336053182
You DO carry multiple (three, actually, not even just 2) weapons in ME, and you COULD swap while one cools in ME1.
Not to mention that combat armor in ME is designed to hold 3 guns with ease, as well as allow them to easily be stowed/drawn when needed.
Considering that, having to reload them all manually rather then having them "self reload" while not used seems like a huge step back.
>>336052398
It also retroactively applied to weapons that no-one had access to in 10 years.
>>336053275
Seems like they had too many writers all trying to outdo each other.
>>336053429
Right.
I'm saying why carry weapons you don't specialize in?
If you're proficient in sniper rifles, why carry the shotgun?
Four fucking sniper rifles.
Shoot, switch, repeat.
>>336047416
They declared it non-canon but put references to it above all the other books in Mass Effect 3, Kai Leng's cyborg status, Kahlee Sanders location, mention of characters killed off in that book.
They said they were going to release a re-written version of the book, but then the ending fiasco happened and they never bothered.
>>336052398
>>the supply lines to make/supply these millions of guns and tens of millions of thermal clips just pop into existence
Each race has hundreds of planets which each have billions of people living on it.
You'd need to make a lot more than 'millions' of guns to even supply a tenth of the population.
>>336052398
fucking bioware
>>336052398
You reading waaaaayyyyyyy too deep famalamjam
I always enjoyed some of the planet descriptions.
>>336052398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEnIQWXCgzQ
>>336052398
Wasn't it just something that we're supposed to pretend was always there? First words out of Shepard's mouth when he wakes up is about there not being a thermal clip for his gun. Surely he knew about them from two years before unless it's just lazy writing.
>>336052151
Worst part is that they did get an alternative in the DLC but it was really limited. The new vehicle was neat
>>336054376
>clip a wall
>suffer a scratch
>WARNING WARNING
Hammerhead was made of wet paper
>>336054293
This. Combined with the bgm makes it enjoyable
>>336051317
>>336054364
Where is that scene? I never got it.
>>336054364
Oh cool, they set up their own strawman to help deflect plot hole questions.
was the infinite amunition in ME ever explained? I don't remember seeing anything about it
>>336054639
Should've read the codex then
>>336054639
Stick bricks of metal in their guns and the guns shave off little slivers and shoot them.
I didn't remember him at all until someone brought him up.
>>336052880
It really would have been better if it worked the way it did in ME1, but with thermal clips being some sort of usable item like medigel that instantly resets your weapon heat. Then the Soldier class could have had a skill tree that lets them carry more clips and enhances them to prevent weapon heat buildup for a few seconds after being used.
Worst part is, I remember reading that they were trying something like this out early in development, but the playtesters were too retarded to figure out how it worked, so they scrapped it instead.
>>336054619
>that's stupid
>no it isn't
On par with the rest of ME3's writing, at least
>>336054489
I liked how fragile it was, considering how mobile it was. Once you got the hang of it, it was easy to avoid getting touched. But the missions really did need some better checkpointing to tone down the frustration of dying to a single mistake after having already taken out ten heavy mechs, especially in the early missions when you had no idea how to control the damn thing.
>>336051125
But... that isn't how heat works. It doesn't just stop dissipating.
>>336054364
>>336054619
I like how he brings up the limited "ammo" thing, and she's just "N-no, that doesn't count".
>>336054639
Since guns all use mass effect accelerators in them, the projectiles that they fire are just tiny pieces of metal that are shaved off from a large block and fired at relativistic speeds, making them just as powerful as large calibur bullets fired from modern weapons. The codex says the blocks are good for several days' worth of duty.
>>336055373
I mean I doubt that if they just went and said "yeah we changed it and continuity is fucked deal with it" anyone would've had a problem
it's just so pathetic that the writers would try to defend their shit in-game through a retard character and at the same time fail to come up with convincing explanations even in-game
>>336052151
How did people manage to do super jumps with that thing anyway? I could never figure out how.
>>336055359
I don't think any of the writers for ME2 remembered that Mass Effect was semi-hard sci-fi
>>336055951
mods/.ini edits
>>336055712
Yeah, might've as well have it just be a soft retcon or just tell us to deal with it.
Reminds of when that fallout 4 dev didn't know about some lore, tried to explain it then went "w-who cares, nerds!" when people called him out on it.
>>336056160
Did that seriously happen?
>>336054859
Except they did have that skill. Adrenaline Rush. Pretty sure they could carry more ammo through passives too.
>>336056251
Yes, Pete Hines got bitchy when everyone told him Jet wasn't a Pre-War drug
>>336054364
Funny thing is that by the end of ME1 you could have upgraded to the point that you'd be able to fire an assault rifle continuously throughout an entire level without breaks. There was like zero heat generation if you got the best stuff. It was actually a bit boring because you would just incapacitate enemies with paralysis or singularity and then simply stand there and fire at them until they died.
>>336054364
mass effect 1 was probably the most comfy game ever
>>336056360
iirc the bible mentions that it has the same name as a pre-war drug
pretty sure whoever wrote the terminal didn't know that, and also didn't know the current jet wasn't around pre-war, but it still serves as an excuse
>>336055997
It's silly really you could have had the reload gameplay but in many other formats that would be more consistent. A small amount of care in level design would have been all that would be needed.
If we take the lore from the spaceships codex have guns with a small reservoir of a synthetic liquid, in case of emergencies this could be vented out to quickly deplete the weapon's built up heat. Previously this was untenable in standard conflicts due to the liquid being heavy to carry in excess however advances in Omnitool/other plot device technology made rapid fabrication of replacement coolant using scavenged weaponry on the field possible.
Gameplay wise it'd just make every gun behave like Javik's rifle from 3 in that it can cool down on it's own slowly or it could vent and empty it's heat immediately but you'd be limited to doing it only a couple of times and would need to earn more charges by killing enemies for their guns.
>>336056361
It's a single player RPG (not a shootan) though - if you grinded enough and built yourself a meta-gun, who should forbid you if you're having fun with it?
>>336052398
>every government agreed to use new, untested alien technology
Based on alien technology. Not untested.
>every military agreed to be rearmed in their entirety
The new guns hit with more power. It was either upgrade, or be unable to break through enemy shields.
>every weapons manufacturer agreed to make brand new guns using brand new technology
There are like five major weapons manufacturers. And each of them are spying on one another and reverse engineering each other's shit.
>and make the new technology universal across all non-heavy weapons
Nope. Cerberus upgrades a couple old weapons to use the new heat sinks. Nobody else is mentioned doing it.
>all militias, mercenary groups and raiders/pirates agreed to rearm themselves with the new guns
The ones who could, yes. You're telling me that powerful mercenary gangs can't get their hands on some advanced weaponry?
>the supply lines to make/supply these millions of guns and tens of millions of thermal clips just pop into existence
Mass effect technology makes it easier to mass produce shit.
>all of this happened on a galactic scale
Yes. That's exactly how they managed to create so many guns/clips.
>in two years
Tight, but not impossible. 6 months in development, 6 months for early production/testing, 6 months for mass production, 6 months for the gangs and fringe groups to get their hands on them. And that's assuming galactic time is on Earth years, which it probably isn't.
>>336052328
That was how Bioware treated every unpolished gameplay element in Mass Effect.
>>336057524
>Attempting to defend this awful Mass Effect Retcon
All of 2 and 3 was retconning all the great stuff we were just starting to learn about in 1. It's as if the new writer almost went out of his way to diminish all of the original writer's stuff... Wow.
>>336052892
You're kidding right?
I saw plenty of complaints about the "80s tech" in MGSV.
>>336056620
>knew almost nothing about the game
>get bored and some friend lends me some games
>play everything except mass effect
>finally play it
>hearing the menu music for the first time
>all the world building
>learn about everything talking with npc's and reading the codex all day
>talking to sovereign on virmire
>sticking so many heatsinks to your gun that it fires incendiary rounds forever
>exploring random planets all over the galaxy
I wish I could play it for the first time again
>>336054497
That map theme tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtS3BRC9MDM
This is probably my favorite thing to come out of Mass Effect.
>>336057994
Only on /v/
>>336057847
It's not even a retcon. It's the natural progression of weaponry. Someone makes a gun. Someone develops shields to stop that gun. Someone else builds a better gun to blast through those shields. Someone else builds better shields.
>>336057524
You're an idiot
>>336057847
>Tech never advances the post
>>336058485(You)
>>336058598(You)
>>336052398
>play ME3
>do Citadel DLC
>find this gun
>no thermal clips needed
>proceed to use this and only this for the rest of the game and subsequent playthroughs
I like to think that this is the same kind of gun Zaeed used for all those bounties back in the day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rSQj44IJvQ
>>336058598
>advances
>by building in a design flaw that removes one of the key advantage mass acceleration weaponry had: that they could operate for months without needing supplies.
>>336058485
>In Mass Effect 2, personal weapons have undergone a massive shift. It was discovered that, in an age of kinetic barriers, most firefights were won by the side who could put the most rounds downrange the fastest. As such, detachable heat sinks, known as thermal clips, were adopted first by the geth, and shortly thereafter by organic arms manufacturers.
tldr; reason behind it clips is that shooting more projectiles means you win, which is what clips allow you to do because they are faster than waiting for a gun to cool. The thing is, in ME you could literally achieve infinite or near infinite firing of your weapon if you use good heat sinks. You don't even need to get the best ones for your gun to fire more consistently than ME2 weapons.
Gameplay wise, thermal clips work EXACTLY like limited ammunition does. Even without a heatsink the gun should still be able to dissipate some head through the air and itself for a fee shots before damaging itself.
The writers are such fucking hacks
>>336058352
Nah it wasn't just here. It was one of the more common complaints about the game that I saw, though it was usually drowned out by the more legitimate complaints like a shitty plot, boring characters, and no good boss fights.
>they gave the asian character
>a chinky eyed mask
What the fuck. What were they thinking?
>>336059821
HE IS NINJA WITH THE SPESHUR SORD
END OF RINE SHEPAD
DING DONG BANNU
Am I the only one thinking his physical design isn't actually bad and it's just the way he was handled is the problem?
>>336054619
>>336055373
Am I the only one that thought the writers were poking fun at themselves here?
I'd always seen Verner as hapless but likeable, and I'd figured that was the intent. I thought his complaints about the disposable thermal clips were supposed to paint him as the only one not drinking the Kool-Aid, and through him, the writers were saying "yeah, we know it's dumb."
I mean, after those lines in ME2 where he mentions poking through crates for stuff people had left lying around, or getting a lot done just by asking people if they need anything, I figured winking at the audience had become his thing.
>>336054639
They technically do have limited ammunition, you just shave off tiny amounts of a solid brick of tungsten or polonium or whatever and fire them at incredible speeds. NPCs do mention running out occasionally, but those are always used to illustrate extremely prolonged combat.
Okay nigga, I didn't read the codex and am too retarded to figure it out by myself. What the fuck is a Mass Effect?
>>336060594
yeah, I was referring to limited ammo in the gameplay, not the lore
>>336060461
Verner seemed more like a jab at the players than the devs.
Shepard, when discussing thermal magazines, treats him like an obviously incorrect moron.
>>336054364
>it's not ammunition
I'm sorry, are these the same people who wrote the characters refer to BULLETS?
>>336060905
A plot device that explains why we have warp drives, energy shields and force powers.
>>336060905
Space Magic.
Humans discovered the big Mass Relays and were all "the fuck is this energy this thing uses? oh cool now we fart mind reading lasers, thats pretty handy. wonder what else we can do with this stuff?"
40k vs Mass Effect
Who wins?
>>336052398
>Shepard wakes up from a two year coma
>First line from him is that his weapon is missing a clip
>>336060905
You use element zero to change the mass of an object and this is called the mass effect.
>>336057524
So in 2 years they went back and replaced all the guns in areas that have been inaccessible and closed off from civilization.
Apologists are this pathetic.
>>336060461
>Am I the only one that thought the writers were poking fun at themselves here?
Nope. The whole speech was from start to finish them mocking the nay-sayers
>>336060905
the technology everything is based on can interact with matter and change it's mass.
>>336058826
Nope. Zaeed used the Avenger, that's a Lancer, basically an Avenger on steroids. Same general design though.
>>336060461
>asks rational questions
>gets treated like a retard
Nah, obvious sockpuppet.
>>336061284
>ridiculously overpowered bullshit vs normal sci-fi, who wins?
how is that even a question
>>336061284
Imperial Guard solos
>>336051317
Kreia is the only "villain" I can think of who I actually agreed with. She was absolutely right about the Force creating an unending war for balance between the Light side and Dark side, unconcerned with the trillions of lives it destroys along the way. Destroying it completely probably would save more lives rather than perpetuating the conflict forever.
Kai Leng became memorable after the whole Stanry Woo thing.
>>336061560
Imperial guard farts in the general direction of the ME universe and it collapses. Even the Tau can solo it.
>>336061290
This triggers me badly.
It made me stop playing the game the first time I tried starting up.
>>336041949
Nightwing?
>>336061284
>entire FTL network in ME can be taken down in one concerted strike
Hmm.
>>336041949
he rides the border between the game being self aware of what a stupid edgelord anime faggot he is, and actually being played straight as a stupid edgelord anime faggot
>>336059246
>most rounds downrange the fastest
Key phrase. It doesn't matter if you can shoot for a million years, because your shields will give out before then. Heat sinks are good for spacecraft and vehicles that shoot at one another for extended periods of time. But most firefights in ME2 are quick skirmishes between small squads, and in ME3 the reaper forces are too tough, fast, and numerous to defeat with a war of attrition. In both cases, burst damage and hit and run tactics are the way to go.
>>336061284
Just ram The Citadel with a bunch of ships.
>>336061521
>Lancer, basically an Avenger on sterioids
Why couldn't they have just made the Lancer standard issue instead of the shitty Avenger?
>>336051317
Shepard Clone was a good antagonist, also Petrovsky was neat, knew how to war and shit, had code of honor by letting Aria retreat and shit.
>>336061960
Same reason developed nations like the US equip their soldiers with less than the best possible tech science can produce. Money. That shit ain't feasible on a large enough scale.
>>336060905
Real answer:
There's this space shit called Element Zero, or eezo. Lore is purposefully vague on what it is. But basically you run an electrical current through it and you can create a mass effect field. These fields change the mass of objects and areas. So you can create insanely dense and light materials, have FTL travel by basically creating tubes of frictionless spacethat's not really how it works but that's how I make sense of it in my mindand there are some people with the shit on their nervous system who can do cool force powers. Pretty much everything in the games is based on this tech.
>>336061284
The average docking clamp on a civilian ship from 40K is larger and more well armed than the largest and most well armed ship in the Mass Effect lore.
>>336061369
No they didn't. Try reading again.
>>336062175
>Lore is purposefully vague on what it is.
It's the force, more or less.
>>336056361
Yes if you got a lot of heatsinks the gun would never overheat but the damage would be lower as well. You could just get the +10000% heat generation +600% damage
>>336060349
Everyone thinks thé same anon
>>336061043
>>336061390
>>336061526
Except that fans argued both sides of the argument. It's not a hidden insult, for fuck's sake.
>>336062257
Which makes it even more fun
>>336062175
Yeah man, it's all that damn friction in space that makes it so hard for us to develop FTL travel.
>>336062175
>have FTL travel by basically creating tubes of frictionless spacethat's not really how it works but that's how I make sense of it in my mind
the problem with ftl is that the faster an object goes, the more it's mass increases. More mass = more energy required to move the object. This gets worse the closer you get to light speed, meaning the amount of energy required to move something going that fast would be impossible to generate. Mass effect fields remedy this by reducing the mass so much that the amount of energy is easily attained by your average ship drive.
>>336061284
>>336062418
Sovereign class ships were only about 2km in size, they'll get steamrolled.
>>336062296
No, eezo is a tangible substance. One of the writers confirmed it's not a chemical element, but it's not clear what EXACTLY it is because that's the point where the science ends and the fantasy begins.
>>336062257
it's shit like this that attracts manchildren with power fantasies to 40k
>>336062328
And that's exactly what they did. Only instead of waiting 10 seconds for your gun to cool down, you just do a 1 second reload.
>>336051317
Well he should be a good antagonist because he was written by the acclaimed writer: Stephen King.
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>>336051317
>>336062136
>Shepard Clone was a good antagonist
He was a retarded piece of shit and everything about that DLC was utterly disgusting.
Petrovsky was good, everything else about Omega DLC was bad.
>>336062175
In essence FTL works in the same way the tantalus drive in the Normandy works (creating a gravity well that the ship falls into). Mass effect fields compress spacetime in front of the ship and expands it behind. It's like putting a toy ship on a sheet of paper and dragging the paper across the floor. The ship itself isn't actually moving just the space around it, and it gets dragged on for the ride. This circumvents the conventional rule of being unable to move faster than light.Nasa is trying to figure out how to do this in real life, but we don't have the unobtanium to do it yet.
>>336063103
Who is she already ?
>>336063208
>Citadel
>Bad
Shit opinion are not welcome in this board
>>336063103
Imagine if the spectres actually got expanded into a decent organization. You got missions form the council and you could choose which ones you do because you won't be able to do them all and depending on what other spectres get them they could play out differently and have consequences on the world.>Bioware game>consequences
>>336062328
The DPS is actually higher when you get the heat generation down enough that you can fire for just thirty seconds without needing to wait for the rifle to cool down. The explosive rounds are kinda fun on their own, but the overall damage output isn't worth it unless you're playing at a difficulty level where you can take out the NPCs in just a shot or two.
>>336063208
>this shirt is ruined - the post
>>336063365
>A DLC where 99% of it might as well be fanwank taken directly from the hellhole that is Bioware forums or any other fanfiction site
>Good
>>336063495
It was amazing because it didn't take itself seriously, it didn't have the whole thing about Shepard bawling over every shitty thing that happens whether you like it or not.
>>336063495
It's either that or forced starchild drama with bioshit and I'd rather have the fanservice.
>>336063665
I'd rather have a good game and good DLC on top of it, I got neither so EA didn't get any money.
>>336041949
The most memorable thing about him was a rapefic where he was characterized as Archer and cornholed all the girls of the Normandy.
>>336063290
Best bossfight in all three games, and the only enemy who can claim to be on the same moral ground as Shepard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNtXsy3EKvA
>>336063717
why are you in this thread then?
>>336041949
I forgot about him.
Thx to your shit post the memory.
Anger.
Hate.
Is back.
>>336063495
>new enemy types
>arena mode
>challenging bossfight
>seeing all the great characters
>good balance between story and gameplay
>easter eggs
>fanservice
OH MY GOD SUCH A PIECE OF SHIT I'M TRIGGERED
Lets discuss how shitty Andromeda is going to be.
>New galaxy
>when we haven't even explored 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the Milky way
>thermal clips in another Galaxy
>>336052394
>It could have been done better. Instead they gave up on it.
Just like they did with the inventory system and the story.
>>336063972
>thermal clips in another Galaxy
Considering you'll be taking your weapons to another galaxy I don't see the problem. Unless the natives there also just so happen to use the same thermal clips.
>>336064105
they will say that before us, another group of aliens from Milky way infiltrated Andromeda and brought the thermal clip technology with them
>see a kid once, don't even get to properly see him die
>have PTSD over it despite having seen way crazier shit in the past
>>336063745
can someone make a mod replacing all his dialogue with Archer lines?
>platform Shepard's standing on collapses
"Looks like you were in the... DANGER ZONE!"
>open Thessia email
>obnoxious voicemail message starts playing
I loved the weapon customization in the first one.
>make a blunderbuss of a shotgun that overheats in a single round and can't hit the broad side of a barn, but kills anything it so much as scratches
>>336064717
IT'S NOT FUCKING PTSD
IT'S THE FUCKING CATALYST TRYING TO COMMUNICATE
HOLY FUCK OUT OF ALL THE MASS EFFECT SHITPOSTING THIS ONE PISSES ME OFF THE MOST
>>336064897
>You are the chosen one
>Catalyst talks only to you
>>336064897
He's right though, fuck the Catalyst being a kid.
He could've been whoever got nuked at Virmire or Thane or something instead of some faggy child.
>>336064897
The catalyst was trying to communicate before you even built the thing or found the plans for it?
We'll bang okay?
>>336064897
Why is the catalyst represented by a kid anyways
That's like Soveriegn being a cat
>>336065406
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyk3kRuQ9KI
>>336044210
>Why did Miranda get a worse ass?
And why the fuck does Ashley look like a tranny barbie hybrid
>>336065406
Because having a great power being represented by a small child is """""deep"""""
>>336065576
I played ME1 and ME2 over again just to save Kaidan because of it.
>>336065148
you became the chosen one when you got the cypher and other prothean shit in your head.
>>336065181
>>336065406
because it's not using Shepard's memories, it's creating an appearance. kid was never real.
>>336065197
you never built the catalyst, that's the crucible. the catalyst was part of the Citadel, the center intelligence for all the reapers. the protheans fucked with it so that it couldn't call out to the reapers, setting the plot for ME1. when the reapers finally arrived it gained enough power to reach out to Shepard, whose mind was jacked up by the protheans and Cerberus.
>>336050743
>WAS
>>336065757
>>336066375
>cypher
You are dead and restored, no cypher in your head at this point.
