The fuck? since when are CRT threads not vidya related?
Anyway I'm mad jelly at anyone who has a pvm
continued from >>>336021829
Why is Sony so based?
Mods have been faggots lately. I have a 27" Panasonic CRT tv I got a few years ago that I player older consoles on, it's got component, composite, and s-video.
I'll even play my ps3 on it sometimes.
Whenever I get a proper job and save up some money I want to try and find a non-HD widescreen CRT.
>>336022837
>pvm
Meme monitor
>>336023080
>component
mad jelly
>People who push the CRT meme simply don't understand how finely engineered even the crappy ones need to be.
Don't we have automation now? If they make it to order and charge a premium price it could work
>>336023267
CRTs are full of lead and emit radiation, nobody wants to deal with that anymore when consumers will buy shitty LCDs for just as much.
So what's a good crt monitor for my computer, amnd how much does it cost?
>>336023370
t. Concerned Millennial
>>336022837
I just switched from 28in CRT to 40in LCD flatscreen for my PS3/PS4 and I love the new TV
What's good about the CRTs?
>>336023750
Better for pre-7th gen consoles.
>>336023267
CRTs are labor intensive and difficult to make. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsMsZaSz3Fk
Some enthusiasts have tried to make them, but nobody has been able to do it successfully.
>>336022837
>Pvm
>Neo Geo
Damn, I wish I was rich.
There was a time when your meme CRT screens were better than the early flat monitors but those days are long gone. Stop being fucking stupid and move on.
>>336023170
It is was a bigger jump from quality than I was expecting from just using composite before, colors and text look a lot better. I also forgot to mention I got it for free from a local pawn shop because they just wanted to get rid of the thing for space.
Aside from a widescreen 480I CRT It would be nice to find an HD CRT tv that doesn't have HDMI or any post processing of the image, a few of them do exist I just can't remember the models. Being able to get a non digitally post processed and input lag free 1080i through component would make it great for ps3, 360, ps4, and watching bluray rips on.
>>336022837
reddit mods OP
>>336022995
because the aperture grill "trinitron" patent made everyone use inferior shadow mask technology and it only expired after crt became irrelevant
>>336023987
better blacks better colors better refresh rate less lag
suck a dick fuucboi
>>336024059
Seriously
These sceens are so good for older systems i love it.
>>336024059
They licensed the tech out to other companies, FYI.
>>336023750
They have better contrast and colors than any other display technology, but in most cases are limited to 480i resolution, the other huge benefit for gaming is that they have practically zero input latency which is great for games that require precision and timing. This is why there are still some fighting game tournaments where they use CRT's instead of LCD's.
>>336023750
raw analog video displayed free from abominable korean scaler "technology"
>>336023370
>Radiation
Visible light is the highest energy radiation coming out of a CRT. So unless you think colors give you cancer, or that a TV could be emitting neutrons, then it's totally safe.
>>336024082
>better blacks
Oxymoron
>>336024082
Hurr durr I have never heard of 144hz IPS monitors. My Crt is better than your flatscreen dell that came with your workstation x-DDDDD. Move on buddy its 2000 and fucking 16.
>>336022837
who emulating CRTs here?
>>336024304
Do you think people have CRTs to play modern games?
>>336022837
ive always hated regular crt's
only ones that get a pass from me are the rear/mirror projection crt's are normal ones make me emr/motion sick
they where outdated shit 10 years and they are outdated shit today.
>Hurr CRT is better
Oh so CRT can do 2560x1400p 144hz
>Hurr muh blacks
s-ips
>hurr my response times
ok you got me but alot of CRT's have ghosting as well and color ghosting as well so get fucked.
CRT's ruined my gaming experiance until i got a lcd in 2006 yes it was shit but it didnt rape my eyes.
>>336024035
it's gonna be an energy hog though
>>336024394
Never claimed that they do but when a faggot is arguing that an ancient CRT is superior in colour reproduction he has some fucking massive delusions.
Dusted off my old Sony Trinitron a few months back, forgot how heavy these damn things are
>>336024494
Non flatscreen crt's are the fucking worst.
Oh well curved LCD's are just as retarded.
I used to spend all my 90's on this bad boy to play c64, atari, nes and snes games.
>>336024315
That new Sega front-end is great. It's the first time adding workshop support to a game has ever excited me.
>>336024494
>two OG PS2s
>And a Sony Triniton
Jesus Christ, you must be a titan
>>336022837
CRTs supposedly belong in /vr/, since there's a general there.
>>336024492
>implying it's not
>>336024596
>Flat CRTs
Nice geometry nerd.
>>336024492
Is it fun being this wrong?
>>336024665
Show me a single professional video editor or photographer using a crt and maybe I will reconsider but you wont be able to do that.
CRTs GIVE YOU CANCER
+
CRTs consume x10 the energy of LCDs, and they don't have useful powersave
+
CRTs can't be recycled
+
CRTs have bad non-linearity
also, even if "electrons directly in your head" don't give you cancer, transformers required to power that DO
>>336024315
No TV has that much curve
why are emulator scanlines so shit
how hard is it to simulate a fucking backlight instead of dimming the fuck out of the screen
>>336024813
>also, even if "electrons directly in your head" don't give you cancer, transformers required to power that DO
Stay in school
>>336024801
Professional video editor here...
Lol you're wrong.
I wish I had a pic to post of my previous studio, we had Sony CRTs attached to every work station.
>>336024813
>CRTs GIVE YOU CANCER
>>336024801
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+professional+video+editor+or+photographer+using+a+crt+
There you go m8
>>336023987
Why not have both?
>>336023987
muh reaction time
>>336024681
Your a fucking troll ive had and used flatscreen crt's
i have one in the house still but its a lg pos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA
>tfw playing old games on a CRT while it's raining outside
>>336025124
How stupid are you? They obviously exist, I'm just telling you they have shit geometry. Look at the border on the bottom and tell me it's supposed to be like that
>>336023750
Youre fucking retarded for ever using a crt as your main tv/hd gaming source dumbasd
>>336025075
Ok I looked at the second link that came up and lets see. .
As a photographer you should certainly look for an IPS panel monitor as Rob suggested. They offer probably the best color presentation. At best one that offers hardware calibration but those can be very expensive.
Oh snap an IPS monitor? that sure doesn't sound like a crt to me.
I got this 19" multisync in 2000 or so when my dad bought me an alienware system for christmas as my first gaming PC.
The black levels were always really low but otherwise I didn't see any LCDs that matched it until I upgraded around 2010 to a current asus
Now I have it in parents storage and dont know if I'll ever use it for anything again
old-ass webcam shot of it
>>336025319
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition%3A+cherry+picking
>>336025319
Isn't contrast more important as a photoman? Because VA panel displays have better contrast than IPS, and some have just as good color.
>>336023987
This
Modern TV's and Professional grade monitors s-ips and the like shit over CRT's, yes even the good ones.
There is literally no point to CRT's even existing and thats why they havent for over 10 years.
This thread is a meme and thats fine but if you want to present your nostalgia for the WORST display tech as such go ahead, but dont claim the technology is anything but shit because it will never be anything but.
The color reproduction and other issues are too stupid to overcome.
>>336025297
No shit it has shit geometry its a fucking CRT what do you expect? Even on a good day you could never get them perfect even if you had the top of the line cad monitor of which i have had several
>>336025390
Nice plates anon.
>>336025467
since you are such an expert on the topic, tell me what non CRT has the best reaction time
Panels featuring ULMB > CRT
>>336025448
: ) It was hardly cherry picking when I just opened a random link and saw someone asking for help for getting a new monitor for photography and not a single fucking CRT trash-heap was recommended.
>>336025467
>ips
>better
Call me when its can do black, and not grey
Hopefully you'll be right once OLED is actually a worthwhile investment.
>>336025390
What kind of a pathetic fat turd leaves their plates and bowls on the desk?
>>336025467
>>There is literally no point to CRT's even existing
Except for old vidya.
>>336025640
>OLED
Literally CRTled the lcd
all the downsides of CRT with none of the upsides of LCD
gaming s-ips screens do very well for themselves but yes response times are still 6ms
>>336025390
damn how fat are you?
>>336025571
Not him, but I think 10-15ms is the lowest you can get in LCD monitors, and having that on top of 120hz makes it nearly CRT levels of input lag and the perception of lag.
I'm not talking about Response Time, that measure is pure bullshit, it measures the time it takes a pixel to change color, not the time it takes for the screen to show a change when an input is pressed
>>336024628
The thing is, the original thread wasn't really /vr/ related, it was more about why there aren't anyone willing to make "professional" CRT monitors for the hardcore gamer.
I mean come on, you're not going to play quake on an LCD. They even play brood war on crts in korea
>>336025852
to be quite honest i put my fairly new cheapass tv through alot of emu's and gaming sessions and it looks just as good if not better, i find because of the size and my stupid room setup i need to sit further back.
The only reason to have a CRT is to play older games with non-shit picture. There are upscalers that get a good picture on modern displays but those cost an upwards of $300. A good modern LCD will have minimal input lag on a digital source. The lag and awful color arises when you try to use a analogue source on one of these displays, you're stuck with the cheap shitty upscaler built into your display.
>>336025857
I really don't even get what you are getting at there.
Response times aside - IPS cant do fucking blacks at all.
The only good thing about crts is they weren't made to die about 2 years after warranty expires. I'm 24 and the one I have is older than me, I still use it.
>>336025860
>>336025737
Yeah I used to do that. Not fat though, I was obsessed with fitness then, I was actually struggling to gain mass. IIRC I was around 75kg and 195cm
CRTs are very old but still superior, they are fucking huge, and weighty
I wonder how big can be a 21" 16:9 CRT-bro
>>336025390
based rippetoe
also clean your room you slime
>>336025390
>box copy BF2
I like you anon
>>336026152
>CRT's
>Superior
This thread is retarded im out
>>336025891
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313
>>336026167
That pic is from 2010/2011 or so
>>336026152
Carmack used a 16:9
>>336026332
>still posting this meme TN monitor
fuck LCDs
>Have a composite only CRT
>Only have emulators
WAT DO?
>>336026560
Get a CRT monitor if you're only going to emulate.
>>336022995
why do you suck at calibrating your screen? Why do you show the screen at an angle? Why do you place the only light source in the room in such a location that it reflects on the LCD? Why are you shitposting?
>>336026332
>response time =/= input latency
Like I said, there is a reason they use that meme measurement instead of listing the actual input lag. I bet that monitor is decent, but I also bet it has 10-20ms of actual input lag just like the majority of the other modern gaming monitors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ97Ni4Hb3c
>>336026560
You emulate on an LCD with a CRT filter. Going through shitty conversions defeats the purpose of using a CRT
Back then devs actually designed around CRTs and not the hackjobs we get from indie devs these days
>>336026674
that picture is like a decade old, anon
>>336026708
>CRT filter
>>336025893
make an SED, if you insist on retarded electron ray tech
>>336026778
so am I, your point?
retroarch is pretty good desu
>>336026801
ayyyy lmao
>>336026845
I agree, but was there ever a SED that reached the consumer's hands?
>>336023370
They aren't "full" of lead. The emitted radiation is blocked by lead glass on the exterior.
You sound like a massive retard.
>>336026929
MODS
>>336026802
>moeshit
>>336027024
no, because there was no demand
>>336026802
The guy wants the "CRT experience". He will get a better one with filters than with converters.
>>336026929
inb4 b&
>>336026801
emerson biggums am i right? hahalol!
>>336026348
>Carmack
Sums up crt ethusiasts even more perfectly now then back in the day
>OOOH IM SPECIAL
>I USE OUTDATED TRASH
>NOTHING WRONG WITH IT I SWEAR
>>336027056
DLC
>>336027167
lol dude... that's ancient. He probably uses LCD like everyone else now
>>336027119
OP's shitposting already. There's little else to do in this thread than shitpost with the rest
>>336027167
>>336026674
This is the same dude right?
Some fag who started gaming in 2010 I assume
Why do you guys use LCDs? CRTs outperform LCDs in every comparison, For example:
CRTs Can do unlimited resolutions, while LCDs Have extremely limited(sometimes even going as low as 800 x 600 as it's max!)
CRTs have response times the speed of light, which means no ghosting, or getting used to it while trying to play games!
CRTs have true color and good contrast ratios. While LCDs have extremely limited color and poor contrast ratios, if you look at the black on an LCD and then on a CRT, there is no comparison, CRT wins.
CRTs are more durable, if you drop one, The monitor lives on. Whilst if you drop an LCD, it's completely ruined.
CRTs don't have input lag.
CRTs do correct upscaling
CRTs don't get deadpixels and unfixable driver IC issues. whereas most LCDs you buy within the first year will have a dead pixel, if not already having one out of the box.
CRTs come in widescreen: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=widescreen+crt&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq
=&gs_rfai=CdsWImWx3TJy0GJXggwTji5TPDwAAAKoEBU_QDx_y&fp=9c2c65350d4186d5
True that CRTs consume more power, but it's well worth the extra ~$0.50 a month to use them.
The only reason CRTs are no longer sold by companies is because it is no longer profitable to sell them, due to the uninformed public only buying LCDs thinking they're better in every way.
CRTs have better text(xp, vista, and 7 come with a feature to make text more legible on LCDs)
sure, LCDs get the job done, but why would you want to use them? They're the PC of the monitor world, Shitty build quality, Fragile, and Don't do the job as well as their counterparts.
why do you guys pay so much for an LCD? it makes so much more sense to want a CRT.
Would PS2 games look better on a CRT? I've noticed the graphics can look pretty jagged on an LCD tv
>>336027347
>This is the same dude right?
no
>Some fag who started gaming in 2010 I assume
Also no
>>336027474
Sure man, thats why you are talking out of your ass an replying to decade old pictures like they represent anything today.
Lurk some more before you try shitposting again.
>>336027368
>CRTs are more durable, if you drop one, The monitor lives on.
>CRTs have better text
fuck no dude. c'mon man.
>>336027130
I-It's not that small!
>>336027368
Here's the LCD I had before my CRT. it was a clusterfuck of cables to hook up and the resolution always looked crappy.
>>336027456
Anything lowres will look better on a CRT. True niggas have both an LCD and a CRT, if you're planning on playing some ps2 game then I'd highly advise you do it on a CRT.
>>336027541
>talking out of your ass
how so?
>decade old pictures
I don't keep track of memes
>Lurk some more
no u
>try shitposting
you bit
Why not just OLED?
>>336027456
Any console that can't consistently output 480p (PS2 almost only supports 480i) will look better on a standard definition CRT. Emulators, however, will look better on LCD.
>>336027604
Seeing a GC hooked up to a 16:9 monitor seems so wrong for some reason.
what kind of cable do you use
>>336027687
Do they come with high quality scaling for 240p/480i content?
Do people argue this much about something as simple as old TVs? Obviously newer sets have advantages over CRTs, especially in terms of not weighing so much and being easier to transport. But pre-HD consoles look fantastic on them.
I used my grandfather's Trinitron from '94 from time to time. Played THUG, Yakuza 1, Haunting Ground, and Silent Hill 2 along with some PS1 and Gamecube titles on it not too long ago. Looked great and was super nostalgic. I see Trinitron FDs being thrown away all the time, I'd take em home if they weren't so fucking heavy.
>>336027456
Yeah, though some PS2 games support HDTVs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games_with_alternate_display_modes
>>336027604
>j dilla
mah nigga
>>336023750
>uses consoles tailor made for hd displays
>lol what's good about crt's?
>>336027916
>something as simple as old TVs
they argue that it's not simple, and that they're not old TVs. They're also needlessly obsessed with bullshit
>>336027896
Scart to BNC, it's a real shame Scart never caught on in the US.
Are " HD CRTs" amny good? how much do they go for nowadays?
also are lightgun games functional on them? my current crt is pny.
>>336028051
scart was never necessary. The problem was a lack of RGB.
>>336027901
240p isn't a broadcast format, any digital tv that supports it is accidental, not design
>>336028147
>scart was never necessary
but scart was convenient, which helped its adoption
>>336023837
really? that there seems like medieval technology in terms of production
these things must have been mass produced right? seems really really labor intensive
>>336028051
European TV master race.
>Supports nice looking PAL TV
>Can do 60Hz for games that use it
>SCART with RGB
Too bad our console games are locked at 50Hz.
>>336028126
They have nice color and motion quality, but don't really have any other advantages. All the downsides of a LCD and all the downsides of a CRT.
>Also are lightgun games functional on them?
They won't work on them.
>>336028186
I really don't see what that has to do with my question.
>>336028126
no and no.
it maybe hard to understand now, but 2000's era crt hdtvs were used as a cheap form of hdtv; much like lcd and plasma they generally use a digital scaler that fucks shit up
>>336028296
If you hummed Green Hill Zone right now, would it be 17% slower than if I did it?
>>336028126
One flat HD CRT I saw went around for $2,400?
>>336028531
I suppose that depends on what the tune was timed against, refresh rate or timer
>>336028018
It is though. Anything at HD resolution, use an HDTV tv. Lower resolution stuff, like 6th Gen and below, CRTs are a better bet. I'd say the only not simple thing is the whole rabbit hole of RGB setups and scanline adjustment and what have you. But that's mainly for enthusiasts. For the average person, the best thing is having an HD set-up along with a CRT with your old consoles in your basement or something. Not everyone has the luxury of space, so emulation and ports are another option for older games.
I currently have a raspberry pie 2 and an old Panasonic crt tv. Is this an ideal emulator set up?
>>336028594
>>336028640
Is this normal to you?
https://youtu.be/__ErBf409Dk
Personally I miss seeing old tech in movies these days. I loved jurassic park because it was so cozy and nostalgic
I certainly didn't like jurassic world where everyone had super duper samsung "smart watches" for all the normies to relate to
It's why I absolutely loved alien isolation, because they had the balls to stick with the setting that the first Alien movie introduced and made it retrofuturistic. I absolutely applaud them for that
call me an autist but I'm just a tech enthusiast
>>336028865
I always thought the drums sounded better at 50hz.
>>336024494
Why 2 PS2's? LAN?
>>336029040
>average CRT enthusiast.png
>>336023370
>full of lead and emit radiation
That hasn't been a problem since the 70's.
>>336029040
I miss the 90's grey or whatever all technology had. Fuck
I use a Sony Trinitron, I think it's the KV-20M10, but it might be one of the other KV models. Pic related isn't my photo, but its the one I have. Is this a good CRT? Can I do better?
>>336028248
A surprising amount of things cannot be simply automated. That's why they still make things where labour is cheap, because you still need humans to do simple stuff.
>>336028804
how the fuck did you take this picture
>>336029223
Blame postmodernism.
>>336029040
I just noticed the four Hershey's bars and stress toy on his desk, truly a fat fuck. Bravo Spielberg.
>>336029251
A newer Trinitron with S-video or Component will give you a much nicer picture.
I got my PVM for free.
Anyone on /v/ own one of these bad boys?
>>336029040
Literally him
>>336029363
google images. I just have tv that looks similar
>>336029572
>>336029530
Lucky cunts
>>336029443
Thanks. Got any reccomendations? Should I look into RGB?
>>336029040
>>336029223
I agree
You guys have probably noticed how everything is so flate, clean, sterile and childish everything is nowadays, right? Fuck google for that material design shit. We were supposed to be in a cyberpunk world now
>>336029132
yep + I like having a backup in the case the original goes tits up
>>336029787
>Got any reccomendations?
Not really I'm afraid I use RGB
>Should I look into RGB?
That's really up to you, it's pretty awesome once everything is set up but if you don't get lucky you'll end up overpaying for an RGB capable display.
>>336026061
Did you make it, anon?
>>336029881
>schway
Mah nigga
>>336026560
Get a raspberry pi, they have composite video output.
>720p Sony CRT TV
>has VGA in even
It is glorious.
>>336023837
I hate to be that guy, but dont you guys miss when discovery channel was all about science, history and education?
>>336030838
They only output 480i, not 240p.
>>336031358
yeah what happened
>>336031358
>discovery channel
>history and education
Sorry bro but DC was just for entertainment. The shit they were pumping out is so thin and sometimes straight up sensational.
It's an insult to actual historians and chronists.
>>336031776
people interested in science, history and education were a really small minority, thus companies decided to appeal to a bigger market by doing retarded reality tv shit, like people making bikes, cars, and machine fights
>>336029740
everyone on /vr/ hates me for getting mine free. Also tripfagging now since I didn't before but someone started pretending to be me.
Heading back to /vr/ now, just checking in.
>>336029040
You're right, and cool
>>336031884
>DC was just for entertainment
What about all those shows about ancient civilizations, different cultures and animals?
Were really those just for entertainment???
I learned a lot about egypt and europe thanks to those shows back in the 90s
Since we're on the subject of CRTs and old tech, I'd just like to add that in the future, readers of Gibson's Neuromancer will get the completely wrong idea from the first line of the novel.
>The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel.
>>336029040
Them holograms tho
>>336032298
so..... gray? black?
>>336032361
New movies lack grit, that's the main problem. Dunno if it's just an illusion because everything is in high definition, but everything is so ultra clean and sterile.
Then you have CGI abominations like the star wars prequels
>>336032550
or static
>>336032550
he's probably referring to snow, instead of plain black. That mix of slightly blueish (CRT) ever-shifting grey with a complete lack of form or structure, that you just can't get a visual hold on. You could say it's hard to describe, which is why Gibson used that tech-related simile to begin with. Everyone knew exactly what it looked like, and got the right idea, even if it's hard to describe in cold hard technical terms.
>>336032591
And I'm not saying all movies are bad, there are plenty of movies that are gritty and dark. I really liked The Reverent for it's cinematography. Capeshit is an asbolute cancer though
>>336032735
ok, static is a much better word. Yes, that is what Gibson referred to.
Anybody else happen to know that screen as "war of ants"?
>>336032735
yeah, that's not a color.
>>336032858
>The Reverent
Thanks for the laugh Anon, working at a theater I'd hear that one all the time.
>>336032939
you don't read often, do you?
Posting. Sup /v/?
>Sony KV32-FV310
>Highest end CRT in the 480i line (before they moved on to "Fine Pitch" and "Super Fine Pitch")
>Two component inputs, two S-video inputs, front S-video input
>Audio out with variable volume for headphones
>Built in subwoofer and surprisingly good sound
>Comfy ass scanlines when displaying 240p content
I only wish this thing could render 480p, then it would be GOLD.I actually had to retake a good pic of it, since the only other one I have has me in thigh-high socks. T-t-thanks /g/
>>336033053
post it anyway
>>336032298
>dead channels are blue
What are you smoking?
>>336032298
Hello /v/
>>336033053
That's a very nice CRT. Just get a PC monitor for 480p stuff.
>>336033141
on many modern TVs they are indeed blue. That's precisely the thing I meant to point out.
Readers of the day will immediately understand it as static. Depending on the TVs modern readers are around, they will associate dead channels with clear blue, or don't understand the idea of a dead channel
>>336033023
maybe that's why. guy sounds like a shitty writer. could've just said "it looked like......" instead of color.
>>336033053
I need to get a 240p test suite set up so I can actually configure it... geometry is slightly off. But here, (barely) visible scanlines. I need a better camera.
>>336033053
What's the point of component, especially two, if it can't do 480p?
>>336032298
people in the future won't read anyway. no problem.
>>336032985
Why normies liked that shit movie made by a spic so much?
>>336033335
you're the only person I ever met that had a problem understanding that line. You're also on 4chan, which means you're trying to be technically correct to one-up someone. Troll or retard? Neither option makes you look good.
>>336033184
That's what I've been thinking...
... unless I can get my hands on one of those 300 pound behemoth 40" 4:3 Hi-Scan XBR800s. That would be a dream and a nightmare.
>>336033443
RGB level video clarity.
>>336033452
People wanting to seem artsy, a good chunk of the customers were bored by it.
>>336033443
Higher picture quality than composite or S-video. The picture quality of component is nearly identical to RGB, save for some luminance differences (which can be adjusted out anyway). So it's a poor man's alternative to RGB, especially if you can get a SCART to YPbPr converter.
>>336033562
>>336033673
>has enough money for all those hugely overpriced games + custom boxes and scaler (good goy)
>uses a fuck huge flatscreen instead of a much cheaper CRT that gives a better image
>>336025467
When did "meme" lose all meaning again? Around the time weeaboo did?
>>336033562
>>336033673
Holy shit I'm jealous. That's a beautiful setup.
>Hipster general
>>>/vr/
>>336033874
>>336033772
was the ps1 controller cable that short, or it is a 3rd party controller??
>>336033179
hi there.
>>336027675
You seriously need to get off of /v/. You are everything that's wrong with this board.
>>336034001
That desk could be really tall, anon.
>>336033582
They digitally process the image
>>336034080
Debugging unit, region-free right out of the box.
>>336033562
>>336033673
Fucking gorgeous, man.
>>336034070
Damn. Is that the case with all CRTs that have a higher number of lines than 480i? I'd really love to get a larger display for 480p games than a monitor, but if it comes down to it I guess I could just buckle down and find one. How does the digital processing look?
>>336033772
>Chocobo Racing
Mi negro
>>336034179
why was Sony wasting even a single cent on custom design for debug units? They can't spare a couple nickels for BC, but pull this nonsense?
>>336034179
that is so unfair, I wish my ps2 still in the closet was region free
>>336034374
>They can't spare a couple nickels for BC
never mind, wrong box
>>336034064
>That desk could be really tall, anon.
are you trolling me?
>>336034374
>custom design
It's just different BIOS man.
>>336034497
Modchips are dirt cheap and soldering is a useful skill to have.
Been scanning craigslist for about a week now looking for a CRT. I haven't learned much.
What would you all recommend for a CRT? Mostly just looking to play gamecube/N64 on it socially. Anything i should know while looking around?
>>336034497
>my ps2 still in the closet
that's gay
>>336034023
fuck
>>336034582
I never liked the idea of hardware modding because I don't have the skills
Software modding is no problem for me tho
>>336034549
Now youre just imagining things.
>>336034602
Get one with S-video, outside of modification/ungodly expensive component cables that's the best video quality you can get out of those consoles. They even use the exact same cables.
>>336034549
That's not where the cable goes. Might have to adjust levels on the image to see it
>>336034343
>all CRTs that have a higher number of lines than 480i
Only consumer televisions. Monitors do not do any processing because they're multisync.
>>336034716
Neat, thanks anon.
>>336034582
>It's just different BIOS man.
It clearly has TEST lettering on the top. In PS2 font. Especially for low volume, like debugging units, such a customization is gonna cost
My CRT is on its death bed. It's at that stage where it needs to warm up before the colors are normal again.
>>336034602
Region? If NA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA
Any of these that AREN'T "high scan" or "super fine pitch" are good for older games. Just find one with the inputs and size you want.
>>336034549
>>336034001
Japanese controllers seem to have shorter cable lengths than American controllers.
My American SNES controller has a cable length roughly twice that of the Japanese SFC controller, and they're both authentic Mitsumi-made controllers.
Wonder why?
>>336035123
otakus sit on the floor in front of their tv, amerifats sit on the sofa half a mile away from it
>>336035123
Japanese tend to have smaller rooms.
America got NICE BIG AMERICAN ROOMS
Thats what id guess.
>>336024813
>low doses of non-ionizing radiation gives you cancer
>>336035123
Maybe because they sat on the floor close to the tv? You know in that anime or that opening of gamecenter cx episodes, those jap kids sit like right next to the console and tv
>>336034797
What do you think is the largest I'll find as far as multisync-compatible CRTs go?
regardless of what anyone says
CRT's have lower "resolution"
awful colors
scanning <---fuck this in particular
I think the only reason to play on a CRT is to play older games.
>>336035123
thanks for the info!
>>336035027
Im going about as old as an N64 so not super duper old. Still suggest anything not high scan and super fine pitch?
Thanks anon.
>>336033458
keeping riding that Gibson dick, man. ;)
>>336035228
radiation isn't healthy, anon.
>>336035503
will do
>>336035375
>awful colors
>>336027368
lol, better text? you retarded m8? text looks so blurry.
more durable? do you even science? CRTs weigh so much the momentum is greater than that of an LCD/LED, so the chances of damage are actually higher.
>>336035375
... That's exactly what we're endorsing in this thread you dingus
>Low resolution
They match (or 2:1 match) the expected output resolution of retro consoles
>Awful colors
With a good CRT (read: trinitron) you get some beautiful colors and a very deep black level. What are you on about?
>Scanning
Invisible to the naked eye, only a concern if you suffer from scanning headaches.
>>336035367
Depends on how long you want to wait to find one. you can find them between 30~40" if you look hard for long enough (NEC and Mitsubishi made them at those sizes). Or you could go for something common like a 20" PC monitor.
>>336035601
neither is fucking your mom bareback, but we do it anyway
How much do PVMs go for?
>>336035697
Dropped my CRT face-first onto the floor once when it slipped out of my grip. This is a 32" 175lb CRT.
It landed with a massive crash, and a controller was caught underneath. The controller was literally pulverized under the glass screen - it was fucking flattened. But the CRT was fine. I put it back up, started it up, and it played and ran flawlessly.
An LCD would not have survived a similar drop.
>>336035123
Why do you think retard
Japanese have tiny houses, tiny rooms compared to the average American living room
They don't need wires 6 feet long
>>336035495
The high scan / super fine pitch will lag on all their inputs, and will digitally scale anything lower than 480p. If you just really want a CRT TV, and want to use it with modern stuff, the XBR960 (and similar) are the best you can get.
>>336035725
I've already got one CRT and I'm patient enough to wait for another. Any links on what to look out for from NEC and Mitsubishi MultiSync CRTs? I'm assuming they're aperture-grille as well?
>>336035895
>An LCD would not have survived a similar drop
an LCD would not have slipped out of your grip
>>336035970
Ah. Im specifically looking for lagless. Thanks anon, ill go with the not hi scan and shit.
>>336035895
Definitely.
Our CRT fell from the tv table flat on top of our of ps2. The TV was fine and looked just the same, our PS2 got a crack on the right side because of the pressure, but it still works fine to this day
a lot of people like to give it shit for the laser or something, but most of the units were robust
>>336036029
here. I should mention, this will NOT be a replacement for my current television; I plan to have one for 480i, and one for 480p. With that in mind, are the higher-end Sony models okay, or do I still need to go searching for one that's multisync to get good 480p compatibility?
>>336036029
>I'm assuming they're aperture-grille as well?
slot-mask
NEC: XM and XP models (29 and 37 inch)
Mitsubishi: AM models (32 to 42 inch)
>>336033673
Where's yours ps3/Xbox 360 games ?
>>336036037
If I manage to drop a phone and shatter it, what makes you think I can't trip and drop an LCD?
Well /v/?
>>336036441
That looks awful.
>>336036421
just that an LCD being lighter and smaller means you get better grip on it, compared to a CRT. If you have a habit of greasing up your hands before touching technology, nothing can help you.
>phone
arguing for the durability of a CRT is like arguing for Nokia feature phones as being the best phones ever
>>336036370
>AM
If you're only interested in the older models, sure.
XC models came later and were usually higher spec.
>>336036815
witness the "unlimited resolution" as mentioned by 336027368
>>336023987
Let them live in their fantasy world.
People who think CRTs are better than modern day OLEDs are just as retarded as people who think tube amps are better than transistor amps.
They're simply there to be taken advantage of monetarily.
>>336036441
pretty much any fucking thing that isn't on an emulator
>>336023987
Good luck with your LCD, retard.
>>336037019
Are you 12?
>>336037153
are you suggesting that one peripheral relying on special hardware is a reason to fuck over the vast majority of your library, instead of just dusting off that special hardware if, and only if, you're gonna use that peripheral?
>>336033673
>those terrible custom boxes
>>336037019
>People who think CRTs are better than modern day OLEDs...
>... simply there to be taken advantage of monetarily
Funny, last I checked, OLEDs were a LOT more expensive than CRTs. Got a nice OLED TV you'd like to show us, Anon?
NESRGB on D20F1U.
>>336037340
>last I checked, OLEDs were a LOT more expensive than CRTs
they're also lighter, require less space while having a larger screen (optional), support more modern inputs, likely much higher resolutions and are, if desired, brand new
>>336037597
I really don't see how most of that stuff applies to old video games Anon.
>>336037309
NES isn't the only console with light gun games, my underage friend.
>>336033673
can you provide further explanation about those structures on the right to hold controllers?
I want something like that for my house
>>336036815
Damn Kya, /vr/ must be pretty bad these days if you're posting in a crt thread on /v/
>>336037725
the ability to use the display for old and new games alike, instead of having two displays?
>>336029357
Despite this I just dream there was somebody that would have a lean business and make CRTs to order. That way they won't have unsold stock and bear the costs of that. I mean, there are probably many retro gamers who would want to get their hands on a brand new quality CRT, and non-retro gamers too, of course I'm probably wrong
>>336037843
It sucks
>>336037019
>People who think CRTs are better than modern day OLEDs
Holy fuck you're retarded. Put a modern TV receiving a 240p signal and come back to tell us the nice results you get.
>>336037597
>Lighter, less space
Nice to have, but not something that can't be worked around.
>Higher resolution, more inputs
These are great for modern games and television. If you're playing modern games then yes, OLEDs are a superior choice.
>Brand new
Also nice to have.
Just remember though, there's a tool for a job and a modern display just isn't a good fit for a retro game. Just as a retro display isn't a good fit for a modern game.
>>336037762
where did I specify the zapper? Are you suggesting on any of the major home systems of the day the light gun was the primary control?
>>336037807
Not my setup, sorry
The guy posts on /vr/ but I have no idea who it is. you might just want to ask there if you're really interested. Unless he happens to be here.
With that said, they look kinda custom built
>>336037843
/vr/ is overrun with emulator and piratefags who derail threads simply because people choose to buy games and not emulate.
A lot like /v/ basically, but since it's slower the shitposting goes on longer.
>>336037847
So they come with acceptable scaling capabilities for low resolutions? I really don't see the point if I have to get a $300 XRGB scaler with it, I'm not exactly at a loss for space.
>>336037847
That's like saying you could use an CRT for old and new games alike. The new games will look shitty on a old CRT. Old games will look shitty on a new LCD.
>>336037725
Because you're stuck in the past and don't know how things past the ps2 era work.
>>336023370
I have news for you. The only way to perceive light is for it to be radiating. Otherwise, it would disappear right away and you will see nothing.
>>336037936
>not something that can't be worked around
Since when are workarounds mandatory?
>there's a tool for a job and a modern display just isn't a good fit for a retro game
Not everyone can afford the space to have two displays for the same use case (video games in the living room), so it's useful to have options that work for both ends
I gave my 60 inch flatscreen near new TV away for free to some poor dude. The fuck have I done.
>>336037980
The same goes for puristfags. How about both and you extremists stop being such cunts
>>336038153
CRT 60cm I mean
>>336038034
>Old games will look shitty on a new LCD
good thing the exchange was about OLEDs
>>336038041
But I'm not asking about things past the PS2 era.
>>336024494
>tfw have OG PS2, and the AV cable input has been fucked up and loose for years, but still works
Best console of all time.
> Unironically spending hundreds of dollars on PVMs and scallers like the framemeister
> For fucking pixelated games
They were never meant to be played on setups that good. Metal Slug was meant to be played in a shitty CRT on some dank arcade
>>336038154
Pirate and Emulatorfags are the elitists. They shitpost in any thread and act superior because they hack their systems and get games for "Free". Why don't you stop acting like shitposting cunts?
>>336038243
I'll revise the statement. Old games will look shitty on any fixed-pixel display that isn't at its native resolution.
>>336038014
>I'm not exactly at a loss for space
Then you're not the target group, carry on
>>336035280
BIG
>>336038287
Arcade CRTs used RGB, so it makes sense to find RGB displays for arcade games. PVMs just happen to be the easiest to use.
/vr/ was specifically created to reduce the spam on /v/ while also allowing you to have real discussions without being pushed completely off the index in 5 minutes
the world moved on from CRTS as soon as it possibly could, we wish that you would do the same, if not for us, then for yourselves
at the very minimum take this to your board
>>336038346
>on any fixed-pixel display
You've seen >>336036815 ? The resolution of these elements is way below 4k. At that point a shader can fully emulate that behavior
>>336038149
I live in a student housing apartment where my total space is probably half that of a normal room. I still find space for two entertainment centers; one for retro games, one for modern games.
That being said, if you can't afford the space, how on earth can you afford an OLED TV?
Either way, I understand the option isn't for everyone. If you are incapable of owning two displays, then don't. But if you are, it's very well worth it. But please don't come and try to dismiss CRT owners because you're incapable of owning one personally.
>>336025893
I imagine profitability. How many people, out of the millions of people who play games, on ALL platforms, are going to seriously run out and buy a CRT?
Not many. CRTs probably cost more than LCDs to produce as well. It's just not cost effective for a business.
Which is a damn shame, 'cause I'd be all for it.
So about this CRT meme
let's say you have two CS:GO teams of equal skill and equipment, except one team has CRTs and the other LCDs
Would the CRT team have an advantage?
Ceterius paribus, all else being equal etc etc
>>336038310
Puristfags shitpost in emulator threads.
Emulatorfags shitpost in buyfag threads.
It's not one being elitist over the other, both do it.
If you think any is better than the other you clearly don't understand that the solution is to be respectful of people's choices. Now you're just being tribal and rooting for your side as if it wasn't the same shit but on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Again, pic related is the way to go.
>>336038664
zero input lag so yes.
>>336038539
>At that point a shader can fully emulate that behavior
Yeah it's theoretically possible to get the look if the display has a high enough resolution. But that only works if you're emulating.
>>336028865
This seems wrong on some very visceral level
>>336038528
This wasn't supposed to be a CRT general, the original thread asked a legitimate question in relation to MODERN gaming which the mods pruned for no reason
>>336038664
Only if both CRTs and LCDs are of the same aspect ratio and resolution. Then, the CRT team would have an advantage, IE Sony FW900 VS a 27" "gaming" LCD.
>>336038578
>if you can't afford the space, how on earth can you afford an OLED TV?
have a nice living room design, with one center location for the TV. Not a TV, the TV. Why waste any of the remaining room design on a glass box? Sometimes "affording" is not a matter of money.
>please don't come and try to dismiss CRT owners
I was responding to someone that dismissed OLEDs as feasible option. At no point have I called CRTs unfit (though they are for new games and hence mixed environments). I just pointed out that OLEDs do offer features for their price.
>>336038664
>>336038734
1ms advantage
>>336038751
>that only works if you're emulating.
or you take one of these fancy converter boxes
>>336038889
response time is not display lag.
>>336038862
Silly anon, you put the retro game station in the basement! Then you fill it with neon lights and logos, a full bar, an arcade...
Much better than a living room.
>>336038528
>/vr/ was specifically created to reduce the spam on /v/
Holy fuck you're stupid or a newfriend.
There was never spam about retro games. /vr/ was created specifically because talking about retro games in /v/ would just get pruned out quickly, it was impossible, since people would rather just talk about the hot new things coming up.
And there was a very clear disclaimer when /vr/ was created that it didn't mean that retro games were banned on /v/, it just gave people an alternative board where retro gaming discussion was possible.
>>336038802
Also people shouldn't get their panties in a twist just because there's a thread that should or should not be on /v/. These threads aren't regular, it's nice with a change of pace once in a while and go down the memory lane. Like seriously, with so many non-vidya threads on /v/ for the past hours, this can't hurt.
Anyway /vr/ is a graveyard
>>336039189
>Anyway /vr/ is a graveyard
it's in your hands, undertaker
Lets see you wall mount that ugly piece of shit.
The only reason you people like that awful technology is because of the natural blur of the display and thanks to scanlines your imagination fills in on the gaps on the shittiness of the actual visuals of those games making it look good.
Why stress your neck with nostalgia goggles when you can bake the nostalgia right into the screen, right?
>>336039335
>Lets see you wall mount that CRT.
yes, please. The bigger the better. That sounds too crazy to dismiss
>>336036441
what emulator is this?
>>336039441
>>336039335
CHECKMATE ATHEISTS
>>336039335
2/10, too obvious
>>336039557
Retroarch
>>336039558
That's tiny, we need bigger.
>>336039557
RetroArch. Great emulator with a ton of features but suffers from input lag.
>>336039558
that's a tiny one. Wall-mount some 40" monster, be sure to add pics of the mount itself and the wall
>>336036441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWxYuIH1Xxg
>>336039558
Have hospitals gone too far
>>336036441
My eyes hurt.
>>336039637
>RetroArch. Great emulator
frontend
>>336039335
Why do you need to wall mount a TV? Fucking kids these days.
>>336028804
>vampire posts on /v/
>>336035895
Had a mate dislocate his knee carrying a huge CRT for a Halo night we had planned. He drank off the pain while playing Halo and got surgery the next day.
>>336039335
mounting tvs are for normies, casuals and old people anyway
>>336039687
Shit that triggered something I had buried way deep inside
I used to fall asleep every night watching those fucking VHS'
>>336039791
>being a weak-kneed-boned motherfucker
drink more milk
>>336039753
I'd just like to interject for a moment.
What you’re referring to as an emulator, is in fact, Libretro/Retroarch, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Libretro plus Retroarch. Retroarch is not an emulator unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Libretro system made useful by the Libretro core API, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full suite of tools as defined by Themaister.
>>336039756
Because it's 2016 and modern people like functional simplified living spaces, not cluttered rats nests.
>>336039634
>>336039660
I imagine it would be possible, though you'd need to custom-design the wall mount, probably with three arms mounted to the wall and some THICK ass steel.
>>336039954
wrong quote? Because that's what I've been saying
>>336039832
Honestly what's so wrong with playing HD games on a CRT? It looks cool, right?
>>336039917
>moleperson posts on /v/
>>336027368
>They're the PC of the monitor world
Lost me here.
>>336040019
you need to custom-design the wall, because the forces are gonna be brutal
>>336039984
>muh clean look
>muh minimalism
literally a normie, I bet you buy apple products too
>>336040054
YEAH, I have a lot of fun...
>>336039984
>Because it's YEAR
Spoken like a true 12 year old. Go do your homework.
>>336040050
the joke
your head
>>336040156
it's not a joke if you're the only person laughing
>>336040175
Why would I pay for hipster counter-culturalist garbage like crt screens and apple products anon? Perhaps I should listen to all my music on records too, because muh infinite level of detail.
Naked crt monitors are fucking sexy
>>336039984
[CURRENT YEAR] intensifies
>>336033849
Are you an idiot? You know 4k exists now right?
>>336040375
this is a blue board, anon!
>>336040305
>>336040175
tbf, not ALL apple products are awful. iPod Classics are decent and well known for good DACs.
But if you buy an iPad there's no saving you.
>>336040410
The fuck does that have to do with anything
![[Over-Time] The Hero Yoshihiko and the Key of Evil Spirits - 08 [049B23D0].mkv_snapshot_23.21_[2013.05.20_22.24.06].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YgNU6RT.jpg "[Over-Time] The Hero Yoshihiko and the Key of Evil Spirits - 08 [049B23D0].mkv snapshot 23.21 [2013.05.20 22.24.06]")
>>336040305
>>336040507
4k is a high enough resolution to emulate CRTs if you insist, or get the pixels if you prefer that
>>336040610
>emulate
Gross and gay.
>>336040507
>CRT gives much better image
>Obviously never watched anything on a 4k teli
TV's aren't just for video games anon.
>>336040610
CRT emulation isn't quite just there yet, even though making strides.
Besides, it's not like you can emulate a CRT signal when playing the legit consoles.
And 240p and 480p signals on modern TVs still look terrible.
>>336027167
That TV is from 1995 you autist
>>336040835
>it's not like you can emulate a CRT signal when playing the legit consoles.
converter box
>>336040736
Nigga how can you poiple not understand that the CRTs are just for playing retro games since the modern TVs handle the 240p signals like fucking dogshit.
The CRTs aren't for general purpose you numbnuts.
>>336040736
>4K
So, uh, how about all that native 4K content, right? Sure is a lot of it right now, yep. Just turned on my new 4K TV and I'm enjoying watching the new Game of Thrones.
No, no, it's not upscaled from 720p or 1080i, don't be absurd, I bought a 4K TV!
>>336040540
fuck you /v/ is always invading /vr/.
>>336040898
I hope you're joking
Converter boxes don't emulate CRTs. At best they give you scanline options, but you'll never get aperture grills with a converter box, specially in 4k.
>>336022837
I have a 20L5 :^)
>>336040997
5 player Xmen I assume?
>>336040898
Still looks worse than on a standard def television.
>>336022837
BECAUSE CRT A SHIT
A SHIT M8
IPS MASTERRACE
>>336041102
>Converter boxes don't emulate CRTs
That's up to the box
>you'll never
a pi with a nice gpu to back it up would be plenty for the task
Why not just enjoy the best of both worlds?
My setup includes a 27-inch WEGA Trinitron and a 144hz Asus monitor, and I regularly switch between the two. Only thing I need right now is an S-video cable for a model 1 Genesis, if those even exist.
>>336041270
I'm not talking about the possibility of it happening, I'm talking about what's available now.
>why don't you use a 4K TV instead of a CRT and use a converter box with perfect CRT emulation that doesn't exist yet
I honestly don't get your point.
>>336041378
Genesis can't S-video without a mod.
>>336040375
>you will never own a candy cab
>>336041245
>IPS
So, anon, have you spoken to your doctor about your vision issues yet? Yknow, since you don't notice the IPS glow, inferior blacks, response time, backlight unevenness...
At least bring up OLED as a valid competitor.
>muh lcd can do 4k bla bla
yeah but it can NOT DO 15khz hahahaha
>>336041378
Anon that's the point. Nobody is arguing you playing Dark Souls 3 on a 240p CRT.
>>336041135
did you get it for FREE 20L5 GUY
>>336041452
>I'm talking about what's available now
might not want to use "never" then
>I honestly don't get your point.
converter boxes are getting there, it's a matter of time at this point. Resolution is no longer holding back flat panels, and what's missing in the gap is in speedy development
>>336041528
me too sadly I will never be a true baller.
>>336041630
>spending hundreds of dollars to imitate the look of something you can get for less than $100, usually for free
I just don't get it.
>>336041630
The never part is about aperture grills. Something like the CRT-Royale filter still needs a pretty good GPU to handle it at 4K, and still it's not perfect yet. A raspi could never ever handle something like CRT-Royale at 4K, not even my old laptop could handle CRT-Royale at 1080p.
And considering that the best filter that converter boxes are able to offer these days is still scanlines and nearest neighbor stretching, which is the barebones of filters, I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>336041529
Yes the glow is a shit but it doesnt really affect me since i dont stare at a fucking black screen like an autist
Response time is good enough to wreck scrubs in unreal tournament
backlight is even because its not a cheap piece of shit, and even then i dont stare at a black screen
also it has the exact same amount of motion blur as my old 90s crt. its also brighter and has better color reproduction than my old crt
Accurate colors> your shitty meme black levels
>>336041980
>I just don't get it.
space, the ability to use the same display for old and new input
>>336041992
And pray tell anon, what kind of CRT did you have? You're not going to compare the IPS monitor you blew $400 on to a pre-packaged 1024x768 Dell piece of shit, are you?
>>336041985
>A raspi could never ever handle something like CRT-Royale at 4K
The task of the pi is not the shading. I did say "with a nice GPU" for a reason
>/crt/
Why would I bother with 240p emulation on a TV or a CRT when a handheld or phone could do it nicely.
>>336042172
A sony Trinitron 37 inch tv and an 18 inch 1280x1024 viewsonic
i still use the tv for my ps2
>>336042232
why's the dude staring at the center, when there's a perfectly fine CRT on top of the box on the right?
>>336042194
You're just building a monster then. At that point you're better off just getting your old CRT from the attic.
>>336027368
Why do you guys use CRTs? LCDs outperform CRTs, for example:
LCD can have a forward curved display
LCD exists in ultrawide aspect ratios
Top of the line IPS LCDs have true nonblack colors without the 1000 drawbacks of having to own and use a CRT
LCD can handle ultra high resolutions and ultra high refresh rates without exploding
LCD can be dropped and it's just fine because it has a simple clean PCB with a few cables. If you drop your CRT, enjoy either getting a broom and dustpan to pick up all that broken glass or tossing it in the grabage because the ridiculously heavy components broke apart due to the heavy force of the drop
If your LCD ever has any problem whatsoever you can easily ship it out and get a replacement. If your CRT ever has any problem, I hope you have $80 handy to pay just for shipping to send it out
LCDs have USB passthrough ports for convenience
LCDs support far, far, far, far, far superior video standards such as Displayport
LCDs can be mounted on monitor arms with ease to create anything from dual/triple-monitor gaming setups to hexamonitor+ professional workstations
LCDs have monitor stands that can be adjusted for height, swivel, pivot, rotation, etc
Your LCD will never start a house fire
Your LCD does not weight 7 metric tons or give you eye cancer
Sure, CRTs just work, but why would you want to use them? They're the Mac of the monitor world, shitty devices that only the biggest manchildren/hipsters would ever be caught using.
>>336042343
>monster
haven't been keeping track of shader capability development in the last decade, have you?
>old CRT from the attic
- don't have one
- don't want a second screen in the room, especially one that's considerably smaller and thicker
>>336042326
>phone touch controls
>dirty thumbs covering entire screen
>>336024604
>1701
My nigga
>>336042439
>They're the Mac of the monitor world
lol
>>336041512
Well shit, didn't even know that. Thanks mate.
>>336039557
Genesis Plus GX libretro
>>336022837
Where can I find/buy this EXACT crt?
I love how cube-like it is.
>>336042439
>no "LCDs have the same response time as CRT"
Your post is missing the only thing that actually matters, because it wouldn't be true and it's the main reason anyone uses CRT.
mini crt with built in betamax player. muh dick
>>336042937
Why did Sony make so many good CRTs?
>>336042867
craiglist maybe?
If you're a thrifter, check thriftstores and flea markets
If you're really lucky you might find a business getting rid of old equipment and give it away for free
>>336042867
Pretty much all Sony PVM and BVM models have that cube shape. Prices range anywhere from tens to thousands depending on what's available locally and how good the display is.
>>336042439
>CRT
Can play standard def games without control delay
>LCD
Cannot play standard def games without control delay
Checkmate LCDfags.
>>336042560
>haven't been keeping track of shader capability development in the last decade, have you?
Yes I have, what had I said that makes you think otherwise? I did mention CRT-Royale did I not?
Anon all I'm saying is that if you have a gpu tied to a raspi which connects to your 4K tv through hdmi just so you could get a CRT-like signal output, it's time to consider it's *maybe* not worth the effort.
But again it's your choice. You're the one proclaiming that 4K is currently so much better for retro games but in the meantime those converter boxes are just not there yet. At best you can do it with emulation, which I have no problem with, but you know for some systems and some games it's not possible.
>>336042867
There are different models of PVMs btw, I'm not really that into it so I don't know which is best suites, but all of them are very cuboid
>>336043134
>I did mention CRT-Royale did I not?
Misunderstanding, I meant the hardware, not the shader fragments.
>it's *maybe* not worth the effort.
the alternative is a second display, aka unacceptable
>>336043079
Tens? As in cheap?
I would hope so, considering most people don't like CRTs.
I consider myself a retroish gamer (mostly late 90's / early 2000s), but I'm not very experienced with this /vr/ stuff.
>>336043318
Yeah.
My friend bought an 8" PVM for about $30, a 32" BVM could cost you about $2,000.
>>336042937
>its actually microcassette player
>>336043052
becauseit's a sony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3eBic62EEE
>>336027604
mf doom and j dilla
i hope you're not one of those "i'm a deep person, i like deep hiphop" people
>>336043318
that particular crt tech is reasonably rare and desired, which can make it very expensive. clueless people might still give them away for very little money, but it's rare and over quickly
>>336043290
>the alternative is a second display, aka unacceptable
Join the 2 screens master race Anon. I have my retarded CRT right next to my 1080p HDTV. It's fucking comfy just looking at it
>>336042439
>LCDs have input lag, all but top end models have under 20ms
>Response time varies and again the most expensive models are the only ones with decent times
>OLED will bring back the burn problems plasma had so a full time screen won't be possible
The monitor world is pretty sad, I can't even get a decent non curved 1080p 32 inch monitor with low input lag and response times.
>>336029572
what is this and how much are they?
>>336043318
I got my 1353md for $25 locally but on eBay...
>>336043469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqenjpQBbO8
>>336043562
>right next to
That's not joining. Either one is, or both are, off-center
Jeez there's so many different PVMs. Which one should I look after? I don't mind a small 14 incher
>>336043052
Sony was great once. Then it sold it good technology in favor of "STYLE"
Now it just sells overpriced garbage because the branding name carries it.
>>336043754
It's not that it's garbage, just hard to differentiate with digital technology. Everything is basically the same
Apple differentiates itself very with it's hipster design, but most importantly software
>>336043689
The HDTV is centered with the couch. The CRT is to the side. If I want to play the CRT I go to the left side of the couch.
It's not perfect but what can you do, it's a compromise solution, shit ain't perfect.
>>336043750
Well what do you want to do with it? If you don't want to go down the rabbit hole that is RGB at least find one with S-video.
Now this thread is making me think of getting a CRT computer screen for old games. Are they worth it for old games such as Counter Strike and DOOM?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzexb3b1Z2Q
>>336043929
>but what can you do, it's a compromise solution
and we've gone full circle to the OLED 4k with the pi box next to it
>>336041628
nah I got it off ebay for like $150 before people realized faggots would buy them for $800
>>336043913
It's not garbage sure, but it's overpriced. For the same quality you can always find a competing product that's much cheaper. Sony always overprices their products because people assume it's better. And it used to be back in the day, but now they're just riding on their good reputation, that is slowly being tarnished.
>>336044019
>DOOM
vanilla? maybe, if you want the full retro experience. source port? You're fooling yourself
>>336044048
Not full circle, now we're in a loop again. That solution doesn't exist yet, etc etc, yada yada. Let us continue this discussion in 10 years when the technology actually exists.
>>336044125
Uh, sure. I have no idea. If I check all the retailers in my country, sony isn't usually more expensive than the other options, at least not with TVs. Cameras? Probably
Got 4x PVM 9L2 monitors for free last week. Let another dude have one, told him to come to me first if he ever wanted to get rid of it.
Have to go pull the option card out of another one of my monitors for the 9L2 to have RGB input. Pretty great size for people with small rooms. Much better than the 5 inch monitors. 14 inch is still probably preferable (have 2 of those though so whatever).
Playing with reverse-mounted lenses - found an old Canon SLR at a garage sale for $5, so I got a cheap lens out of it.
>>336044265
I bet you an internet it will take<3years
>>336023750
All the "im a vegan ecksdee so randumb retro gamurz" like their stupid scanlines
>>336043941
PS2 is the only "old" console I have left (yeah I know it's not retro but jeez) so maybe I could hook that up.
>>336044019
KotOR
Morrowind
Fallout 1 / 2
Diablo 1 / 2
StarCraft
Warcraft 1-3
Really, any game without native widescreen support.
>>336043424
Anyone who would buy a 32 or even 24 inch BVM/PVM is (1) out of their minds because it's heavy and huge as fuck and (2) loaded. Originally those monitors sold for almost as much as a cheap new car. At 10% of their original prices, they're still fucking expensive.
>>336040835
The only real handicap to emulating crt is resolution, because of the narrowness of actual scanlines.
On a good 4k display at some distance it would look quite good.
>>336044769
or just get a 4:3 flat panel
>>336044442
I knew you would show up.
>>336044610
PS2 and that generation is the only generation that's in the display limbo. Some games look better on CRT and some look better on HDTVs. And the ones that look better on HDTVs look better with PCSX2 anyway, provided that games is compatible.
So if you're thinking of getting a CRT to play PS2 games, really don't bother.
>>336044914
I did this personally. Its a shitty solution since all 4:3 LCD monitors of a decent panel type have aged and lost brightness and color accuracy.
>>336044926
o/
I decided to resolve to be here and continue not being a dick but using a tripcode anyway.and I'll continue having opinions but generally being helpful
From /vr/ - compariuson of aperture grille and one type of shadow mask at 14 inches, both using RGB on broadcast-quality monitors.
>>336045029
> crt
> playing with an emulator
Underage trash
>>336027604
i can tell you're white
>>336044867
Yes I'm aware. And the distance thing is kind of an important point that most people don't get. But again, they're getting there but not there yet. And CRT-Royale with the default settings looks kinda gnarly, wish they updated it.
CRTs weren't meant to be played upclose just like a PC monitor, you need to give it some distance, so underagebans always comment "that looks terrible" or "it hurts my eyes". Fuck's sake.
>>336045256
>reading comprehension
I'd return the compliment but I'm aware that you don't need to be underageb& to be stupid.
>>336045197
right looks better to me. Left has these annoying interruptions, right is more even. Seems to have more vibrant colors too. Frankly, disregarding the CRT screen elements, whatever they're called, right looks like something that would be trivial to emulate with a very cheap scanline filter.
What was /vr/'s consensus on the pic?
>>336045197
Rami is cute! CUTE!
>>336044857
>Anyone who would buy a 32 or even 24 inch BVM/PVM is (1) out of their minds because it's heavy and huge as fuck and (2) loaded.
Me and my friend are planning on getting one with our saved funds, it's not really outrageous. It's a pretty good deal.
>>336045892
where have her scanlines gone?
>>336045892
Rami's games are mediocre! MEDIOCRE!
I hope CRT threads become a /v/ thing, you already shat enough at /vr/
>>336043591
It's a Sony BVM-D32E1WU. They are usually priced around $2,000.
>>336023750
Makes sense for retro games---especially games that require precise timing like rhythm games. Try playing Parapper the Rapper on a modern HDTV and having the images sync with the audio. Not happening.
It's an edge case purchase---if you plan to get really in Beatmania, DDR or really love scanlines in your classic vidya. Everyone else, need not apply.
I have a PVM, when I first saw it demoing with a DVD through RGB, it was very bright, but with my SNES on RGB it seems dim, even with brightness all the way up.
Any suggestions? RGB signal booster? Not enough power for the PVM?
>>336046470
take off your sunglasses when playing the SNES
>>336045786
Most of /vr/ follows the left (aperture grille) meme.
I take your view though and prefer right.
The convergence on right isn't ideal because I haven't cracked it open to deal with it yet. You can probably get the same 'vividness' out of an aperture grille if you bump up the contrast a bit, though.
I just am more comfortable with the right.
>>336046470
you want to boost contrast, not brightness.
>>336046221
>>336043591
>>336029572
Neat, that one supports 480i and 480p content.
Too bad it's a flat tube though. Also that price is pretty high.
>>336041138
I thought the two screen set-up was for the six person variant of the game.
>>336046630
Even with both all the way up it seems dark.
I still have a CRT in case a melee tournament breaks out.
>>336022837
>tfw bought 14M4E on ebay and had it SHIPPED
>tfw retarded for considering it for the huge price and not picking it up myself
>tfw it came broken
>tfw when i didn't return it
>>336047549
>buying anything off jewbay
>>336028804
as far as I know raspberry pie only outputs 480i and up.
>>336046749
It goes up to 720p which is pretty neat.
It also has these expansion slots that are reserved for inputs, which is pretty cool. The expanions for the slots are pricey as fuck though, I don't bother with those anyhow. Using switches are way better for it.
>>336047693
>buying anything of jewbay that can easily be broken
I made the mistake of buying an LED HDTV off Amazon. Screen was in literal pieces when it arrived. Luckily, I bitched to customer service and they comped return shipping.
CRTs--especially large ones---probably need to be cargo shipped.
>>336026061
What was his name again, /fit/?
>>336042439
Because my old consoles look better on it.
I suggest you deal with that faggot.
>>336047464
You mean that thing that happen like weekly almost everywhere
>>336039954
heh heh
>>336048381
Yeah, exactly that.
>>336048848
angry kids beating the crap out of each other with controller flails is not a Melee tournament
>>336048848
Who youmain my good man?
>>336048968
Feel free to stop posting any time
>>336049076
Link with an Okay shiek and marth
Move aside, plebs
>>336042326
>phone
FUCKING KIDS. You have to be 18 to post here faggot.
>>336035280
>Tfw Greek
