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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NU7JAW2VG4
Mark Kern and the Nostalrius team are in talks with Blizzard, presumably about Legacy Servers. The petition is at nearly 250,000 signatures:
https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhaime-legacy-server-among-world-of-warcraft-community?recruiter=522873458
A lot of cool people who've played WoW have come out in favour of Legacy servers, and some less cool people have given frankly uninformed and unimportant opinions.
Blizzard have said:
> "We explored options for developing classic servers and none could be executed without great difficulty. If we could push a button and all of this would be created, we would. [...]"
> "One other note - we’ve recently been in contact with some of the folks who operated Nostalrius. They obviously care deeply about the game, and we look forward to more conversations with them in the coming weeks."
Hopefully they'll find that golden button they've been looking for and they up the freaking Legacy Servers. here's hoping.
Can't smack the Brack.
>>336001035
With allt he publicity and fan lashabck about this there's a real chance it'll happen.
It's likely no one and Blizzard currently has the knowledge and know-how to even implement Legacy servers. The builds and architecture are likely lost. They need the Nostalrius people who actually managed to reverse-engineer it.
>>336001213
>
Nostalrius didn't use some new-age techno wizardry. The looked up how mechanics actually worked in WoW by looking at Wikis and gameplay, and they rewrote the code. There's enough documentation about WoW Quests and Dungeons during Vanilla that you could faithfully reproduce most of it just by reading up on it (although clearly more research and first-hand knowledge will refine the process).
>>336001415
*deeper research, not more
But yeah, Nostalrius reverse engineered it how you'd reverse engineer anything. You see how it works, and you rebuild it from scratch. It took Nostalrius 5 years, Blizzard wouldn't even break a sweat doing it.
>>336001035
That's a pretty neat promo pic. That night elf looks like a demon hunter and it looks like that group is in ZG.
>tfw it ACTUALLY HAPPENS
>tfw everyone realises how shit it was, just seemed better when you were younger
i cant wait for this
im gonna be ALL OVER those blizzcucks
>>336001213
Nostalrius developers have barely done anything, vast majority of the work has been done by the open source community (the contributors of MaNGOS that Nostalrius is based on, but also the people who originally figured out the WoW server-client protocol, retail theorycrafters etc). Maybe 5% of the code in their emulator is of their own making and that doesn't include the work put into figuring out how the game did work.
>>336001415
Nostalrius developers haven't really done anything of the sort, most of the improvements on their server are server infrastructure related (managing to have stable servers with 10k pop). For example, if you think of questing, at its launch I can't think of a single (at least low-level) quest they had improved in any way compared to open source emulation and whatever fixes they've done since have been making maybe two dozen outright uncompletable quests completable. Hell, in some ways open source emulation for 3.3.5a is better even in terms of vanilla content (for example, mob abilities and patrol paths tend to be better, and some involved quests like Freedom For All Creatures work: https://github.com/TrinityCore/TrinityCore/issues/4823 while it didn't on Nostalrius https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1333).
I don't understand why Blizzard doesn't do Legacy servers or Progression servers. Just charge a few dollars each month for those that play on those servers to make up the cost.
>>336001801
I played Vanilla back in 2013 on a private server (Emerald Dream - Feenix). I vastly prefer Vanilla WoW to any other MMO, including current WoW, which is a ghost of its former self.
Millions will come back to WoW if Legacy servers were announced. Millions quit because of Cata/MoP/WoD
>>336002009
Because it doesn't make up the cost and wouldn't be profitable without attracting tens of thousands of subscribers for months on end (unlikely). There also isn't a clear precedent for how to manage such servers. Not to mention the complications involved with maintaining two entirely different live versions of the game in however many regions Blizzard offers support for.
If it was easy money, they would do it.
>"legacy" servers released at legion
>its just WoD servers
I can see it and its making me laugh.
>>336001898
Fair point, they were building ontop of Mangos, but I still wouldn't completely undermine the effort they put into their server. I've played on other private servers, and Nostalrius was by far the smoothest, most bug-free of the lot. They fixed many glaring problems (hunter pets and shaman quests come to mind). If Blizzard need to know how to run a Vanilla server, Nostalrius ran it seamlessly. If it needs to be that bit more professional, I'm sure they can work it out, especially with Blizzard's resources.
>>336001801
I don't know man, I played a bit of Nostalrius and I liked it more than current WoW.
Leveling up and gaining more skills actually felt meaningful.
>>336001801
>vanilla private servers are still popular
It's gonna be good senpai
>>336001801
>>336002251
Yeah, the nostalgia myth is just that. Vanilla WoW was a legitimately better game. It wasn't balanced, it wasn't as easy and it wasn't as polished, but it doesn't need to be. What people don't seem to realise is that most classes were support classes back in Vanilla. Every class isn't supposed to be equal in ability, because then what's the point of classes? It just because red fireball, green fireball, purple fireball at that point. In Vanilla every class had a very, very distinct role, and a lot of specs weren't PvE viable, because end-game PvE wasn't the sole purpose of the game.
In Vanilla, 1-60 was the game. Now anything that isn't level cap is irrelevant.
>>336002320
As a long time private server player, if Blizzard went after private servers hard after they release Legacy servers, I would be 100% on their side. If Blizzard are providing a service that belongs to them, and others are providing Blizzard's service for free, Blizzard can shut down as many Vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata, WoD, Legion private servers as they want.
As it stands, Vanilla WoW can only be experienced on private servers. Once Blizzard offers it themselves, they can demolish as many private servers as they like.
>>336002437
>a lot of specs weren't PvE viable
Understatement of the fucking century. A lot of specs weren't viable at all in any aspect of the game. Half of those specs flat out did not function at all, or weren't even fleshed out enough to be bothered with putting more than 11 points into. Not to mention that your "very, very distinct role" was spamming buffs, dispels, or sunder armor and was generally boring as fuck.
Vanilla had some great things about it but don't bullshit people into thinking the class design was better than it is now.
>>336002009
They even said
>If we could press 1 button and spend no money while getting a shit ton we would do it.
There's little chance it will happen imo. I feel that we will just get the pristine crap they talked about.
But holy shit is vanilla good and bad at the same time. Unlike the current wow where the whole game starts at max lvl only and everything before that doesn't matter, I always felt that vanilla was 100% the best 1 till you hit 60. After that you hit a wall. You either form a really good bond with a very active guild and start progressing or just dick around. Which is also fun.
Getting a green drop before lvl 10 still feels much better than getting my mythic gear on retail.
>>336002641
Also to add to this, vanilla had garbage class balance. But even when I play on private servers I feel that every single profession is amazing and useful. You can play around so much with them. The only change i'd want in a legacy server from the old vanilla is that they'd balance out the classes abit more, if it's even possible. Do some tweaking and not just drop it as it is.
Because for all the nice things vanilla had it also had the most annoying and horrible design choices compared to any of the expansions.
>>336002610
I admitted it was rough around the edges, but in Vanilla there was a lot of niche esoteric stuff when it came to class design. You could be that rare Feral Druid out in the wild with mastery of the unkempt wild. It was more like a proper RPG. Everything wasn't about min-maxing.
Now every class and every spec is PvE-centric.
>>336002884
>You could be that rare Feral Druid
ftfy
>>336002641
>pristine crap
i cannot for the life of me understand why blizzard thought that was a good trade off
>we want old content back!
>you're not getting it, but you can have the current content instead!
What long dead WoW legends do you think would come back if vanilla legacy servers were announced and released?
>>336001035
Still wouldn't surprise me if nothing came out of this.
>>336003054
well, I'd say it's a half step in the right direction to turn off cross-realm bullshit and the LFD stuff
>>336003091
At best we'll get a lengthy explanation as to why we should all go fuck ourselves
>>336003091
There's a big chance it's a PR stunt. Getting a legacy server is a very very very slim chance, but it's still the biggest hope that ever existed.
>>336002884
>I admitted it was rough around the edges
Yea, you keep downplaying the hard fact that half the specs in the game were utter fucking dogshit for literally every type of content that existed. Even the specs that were viable were terribly designed with multitudes of worthless, low-impact talents and no-brainers in every tier. Calling it "rough around the edges" is comical for anyone who played back then. You could be a feral druid, but you would be useless; compared to WoW right now where feral druids are viable in every facet of the game whether it's PvE, PvP, questing, small group content etc...
They've fucked up the class balance at different points along the way, but trying to claim that vanilla was better in this regard is absolutely ludicrous. Everyone knows how full of shit you are
>>336001035
>a lot of people have come out in favor
yeah but only about 12k people played the thing to begin with
>>336003080
Kungen, WoWHobbs, Kaceytron, Lewis and Simon of the Yogscast, WoWCrendor and many more have definitively said they'd come back to WoW/play more WoW (and stream it / make videos of WoW) if Blizzard did Legacy Servers. Even Total Biscuit and Jesse Cox expressed a bit of interest for Legacy servers (though that doesn't mean they'd come back.
Those are ALL big names I've listed.
Vanilla with bc classes would be the perfect game
Vanilla WoW is garbage. Is it better than the shitshow that current WoW is? Sure it is, but I most definitely wouldn't play Vanilla over it. There is nowhere near enough content.
No, the best case scenario would be to have a server that is up to date, only with certain garbage features disabled, such as flying mounts, LFG/R, heirlooms and Garrisons.
That is what I want, but still there is one thing that won't be so easy to fix, and that's how strong your character is in comparison to other monsters. You can mow shit down now with ease and 0 downtime. It's not rewarding in the slightest.
I'm playing a level 32 shaman currently on retail and my spells have a mana cost of 2. TWO. My max mana is something silly like 4 thousand as well.
>>336003198
There's an overwhelming chance they are coming eventually
There is zero chance it will be announced before we're a few months into Legion. Blizz is still counting on 10m losers going out and buying a box
>>336003316
>Kungen
Naw, he'll go like "IT'S NOT LIKE MUH VANILLAS BCUS DEI DID THING" (thing being something irrelevant as fuck like new models)
>>336003367
yea well, blizzard has never gotten enemy balance right. in vanilla if you pulled more than one enemy you instantly died and all the enemies were bunched together in groups of ten and ran away at the speed of sound when they got low.
>>336001035
My best memories of WoW was the duels in Nagrand and farming elemental plateau for hours on end. I would not mind paying for a legacy server, even if it was only vanilla.
>>336003225
> Yea, you keep downplaying the hard fact that half the specs in the game were utter fucking dogshit
It's an mmoRPG you fucking faggot. For Vanilla Blizzard basically created one PvE spec per class, and the rest weren't about being doing mad dps, or healing, or tanking. They were about being the hero you wanted to be. You could be some wonky spec out in the world and enjoy it your own way. I fucking played an elemental Shaman, and I enjoyed the fuck out of it for months, especially for PvP.
If you wanted to raid or be a top-end PvPer, you might have to respec. So what. You could have fun being you, you don't have to give a shit what the min-maxers did.
My whole life I thought that the fireball came from the dwarf's gun
Fuck me
>this is neo-wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfobcr0-EA4
>>336003527
>the rest weren't about being doing mad dps, or healing, or tanking. They were about being the hero you wanted to be
Now they're about being the hero you want to be and you can actually do dps, healing or tanking. There is literally no disadvantage to the modern class design compared to vanilla. You're utterly fucking blind to the way the game actually was back then
>>336003251
This is about Legacy Servers, not Nostalrius. 15k were playing on an illegal underground word of mouth server. Imagine what the numbers would be if Blizzard released their own official servers. I would wager it would be 1~2 million.
>>336003316
wowcrendor said he doesn't care, which seems odd to me because he's such a nostalgiafag
>>336002610
Lots of specs aren't PvE viable in retail WoW.
>>336003527
so roleplaying as a viable spec is somehow worse than roleplaying as a spec that sucks dick and doesn't even function properly? fucking kill yourself. disc priests used to have divine spirit as a 31 point talent. WOW that EPIC roleplaying with my useless buffbot spec! thanks vanilla!
No matter what, they're not going to use Nostalrius' core.
>>336003634
Seems like you're confusing viable with optimal. I knew you were a retard but I didn't expect you to also be illiterate.
And regardless of the current state of PvE balance, you will never successfully make the argument that it was better in vanilla. Don't dig yourself a deeper hole
>>336003527
>lol class balance is useless in a RPG!! I looooooveeee le 3.5! best arrrpeeegeeee evuuuuurrrr
Oh shit!
ABANDON THREAD, LE EPIC /tg/ RETARDS ARE HERE!
>>336003590
>word of mouth
Nostalgius was marketed out the ass. It became a gaming fad like DayZ or early 2012 Dark Souls. Attracting people, not just for the game it provided, but for the idea of being a part of the next big thing in underground gaymen culture
>>336003756
If a spec is doing less than half the damage of another, it isn't viable
>"Blizzard might make vanilla legacy servers!"
>mfw i'd much rather have wotlk
>>336003756
No, survival is literally no viable, PvE or PvP. Bringing SV hunters to progression in Mythic wipes you because you will hit the Enrage and wipe unless several of your DPS are overgeared enough to carry them. Assassination Rogues are in the same position, alongside BM Hunters.
>>336003870
>Half
>>336003225
>WoW right now where feral druids are viable in every facet of the game
But that's his point. Everyone can do everything. I couldnt agree more about vanilla classes needing work but every class being capable at every task is pointless. Vanilla, although shocking in certain aspects of class progression, still made you pick a class based on a certain task or area of the game that you wanted to focus on. They should of focused on improving that element rather than making your class compatible to nearly everything
>>336002241
I'm not saying they did nothing at all but the claims people make are outright ridiculous and give an entirely wrong impression to people who aren't familiar with private server scene. Nostalrius devs do deserve credit, but I'd give the most of the credit for them not being fucking jews and running an unadulterated server without pay2win or boosted rates or anything of the sort. And while they do deserve credit for the improvements they've made as well, people should also remember the guys who got the other 95% details to "work" rather than parading Nostalrius devs around as though they were the first people to ever make a WoW private server.
>>336003623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI36m3E2ijU
In this video he says he would play on Vanilla servers and film Machinima on it. There are Machinima videos he's wanted to make, but he's been unable to because he wanted to film them in pre-Cata Azeroth.
>>336003914
Isn't arcane the best by far DPS spec and kinda overtuned?
>>336003914
>comparing sub 20 second kills to 1 minute+ kills
But yeah Surv is dogshit atm
>>336003978
Arcane is the best but not by that margin. It's maybe 15% overtuned, not 100%.
>>336004002
Thing is you can't get a 20 second kill with a SV Hunter in the raid.
>>336003926
But his point is retarded because everyone can not do anything. A holy priest can't tank; a rogue can't heal.
>still made you pick a class based on a certain task or area of the game that you wanted to focus on
And then prepicked your spec because the talent system was fucking horrible
>>336004038
Oh yes, I know.
But is also dogshit outside of high end raiding?
>>336001801
Dumb frogposter
>>336004107
SV is Dogshit in every aspect. It's completely broken. I mean you can probably do quests with it. Not much else.
>>336004159
Oh well.
Why?
Why keep running the same dungeons over and over again for the same loot?
Why?
There's so much more added to the game. If it's not challenging enough as it is, just find something else to do with your life.
Why do this to yourselves?
>>336003978
Slightly overtuned. Has more to do with the fact that ring + Class trinket & Prophecy of Fear are ridiculous together.
>>336003756
The dog poster wasn't me. I understand where some of the frustration with Vanilla class balance comes from, especially when you start playing one spec and you find out you're a bit shit practically speaking and you have to switch your entire spec, but I don't think class-balance is the end-all be-all. Back in early WoW the focus wasn't end-game. A lot of specs were RP specs, and they let you be your own little unique adventurer.
>>336003452
Agreed, when Legion subs start to nose dive like WoD then they'll bust out Legacy.
>>336004321
>I don't think class-balance is the end-all be-all
I never said it was. I only said that that retard pretending like Vanilla class balance was "better" because half the specs were shit is a fucking moron
Legacy servers are not likely to happen. They also must continue to shut down private servers to actively defend their ip, it's the way the laws work.
I just hope that Blizzard will take another look a vanilla and all versions of WoW and take the things of value from it as they move forward.
It's like them to consistently take from other games and polish it up into something for WoW. It's been full of systems/ideas from other games/mmos since the beginning. Unfortunately I feel like they have left behind a lot of things overtime that were original to WoW itself, and that is a great loss.
For myself I lost my niche as an arms warrior in WoD PvP. The ability strip removed too many mechanics (disarm, root, banners, taste for blood, overpower, shield swapping, etc) that they believed were unnecessary.
This made it so that in pvp my opponent and I can't react to each other in all of the little and complex ways that we used to do (root a hunters disengage, disarm a warrior's die by the sword so they cannot parry, overpower a rogues evasion, just time stuns with bladestorm to break them after they hit you, etc).
These changes took a lot from me. Just dealing massive amounts of damage and killing players is boring to me. All I'm doing is watching health bars move up and down. For myself, the real thrill of pvp came from reacting and anticipating to what my opponents will do and exploiting it and capitalizing on mistakes. I just don't feel engaged in the game anymore, for when I die or kill there isn't as much depth or complexity to think about and there are no options in combat to exploit. I used to be able to excel as a warrior if I wanted to, there was always a detail I missed. Now the cds are too big, basic, and simple, there aren't nearly as many elegant solutions to my problems. It just feels like a different and inferior game to me now.
who gives a fuck
WHO
GIVES
A
FUCK
you legacy fags are worse than the normal blizzdrones, but go ahead and give blizzard money for an old version of the game
why would you pay a sub for a game that's not gonna get any more patches? that's the whole justification for paying a sub in the first place
>>336004067
> A holy priest can't tank; a rogue can't heal.
Hahaha that's a fair call
>And then prepicked your spec because the talent system was fucking horrible
Couldn't agree more, I just meant they should of worked on making that style of talent work, rather than cutting it down to the simple level it is today. Its obviously just my view on things but I feel like the simplifications they made were just a lazy, less time-consuming way of handling the task
>old wow client didnt support macs
>old wow client used old server hardware
>you'd have to download a new client just to play old wow
>adding rolling expansions means if you wanted to play on vanilla again you'd have to redownload the client
>no battle.net integration
>vanilla wow had many exploits that were patched out as soon as they were found, bringing back vanilla would mean all those exploits would be well documented and available for use
>major class imbalances in general
>less overall optimization
>very little mod support or baseline features like extra hotbar binding and keys
Blizzard's ideal version of a vanilla WoW server would be to support battle.net, use a single client for their entire service, support many expansions and versions at the same time, fix exploits, retain quality of time changes like dressing room, hotbars, achievements and having a graphics slider
Blizzard has a stick so far up its ass it wouldnt settle for anything less than perfection, which makes this task pretty much impossible for them.
>>336004405
>your PVP reasoning
Part of that was why I loved monk in PVE -and- PVP in Mists. I thought they did an awesome job adding a new class and the sky was the limit. I had SO many fucking buttons and skills to use, even as a Brewmaster I had shit I could do to outplay people or tank cleverly.
Then I heard about WOD, and oh boy. Now I hear about what they've done to my baby shaman in Legion.
>>336003830
>became a gaming fad like DayZ or early 2012 Dark Souls
Lol fuck off, put down the crackpipe m8.
>>336004458
y u so mad doe?
>>336001035
Hey if you get those legacy severs I say well done but I will say this. Nostalgia has a funny way of rose tinted everything, so you might not end up liking what you get but if you do good for you
>>336004565
From a 100% gamist stand point, today's talents are 10 times better than any other iteration of, however the carrot on the stick is more >fun.Best way would be old talents plus new ones, as two separate things, so you get a bunch of passives and some actives via tree and the game changers via the table
>>336004653
because this forum is flooded with these cuckthreads for weeks now
why can't people just quit playing blizzard games and be done with it?
>>336004619
your very first point is a straight up blatant lie
>>336003914
Play a fire mage doing MC, BWL or Onyxia. I'll take half damage over doing literally no damage.
It's very possible that even Blizz devs themselves want legacy servers but someone higher up decided that marketing wouldn't mesh well with that
>>336004725
>stop liking what i don't like
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>336004725
Well then don't read them faggot.
>>336004693
I regularly play video games that were made in the early 90s and I still enjoy them just as much as I did back then, I don't see how WoW would be any different
>Post yfw Blizz surprises us all by taking the initiative for once and makes a server for each expansion so you can pick your favorite one
>>336004725
And im trying to avoid Das3 spoilers but yelling at /v/ isn't going to help me.
Sorry bro but you can't change peoplelet alone a whole community
>>336004898
Why set yourself up for such disappointment?
>>336004898
guys let's play on cata
>>336004915
There is literally nothing to spoil in DaS3.
>>336004709
From a 100% gamist stand point, WoW is a terrible game in all its incarnationsOf coursh, WoW is 100% gamist designed today, but the only reason people actually play is because they still feel achievements are extrinsically meaningful because of what a cultural behemoth WoW used to be
>>336004816
it's not about liking the game, it's about supporting jews
but go ahead and give them your shekels blizzdrone
>>336004898
>Tfw getting to raid MC and ICC back to back.
>>336004709
well i will be honest, the most up to date version of talents I experienced was in MoP for a 10 day return trial and I wasn't phased. Maybe they have done more work on it since then but there is still a LOT i dislike about the current state of the game so it wouldn't matter to me too much
>>336004952
>Said nobody
>>336005041
I hate to break this to you, but the world is run by jews.
>>336004846
stfu
the page is flooded with them, that's annoying enough
>don't read them huehuehue
eat a dick shill
>>336005072
Hard to believe, but there are private Cata servers
>>336004969
Hahahaha maybe for some, depends what you are playing for
>>336005084
and you support them, I don't
>>336002251
>classes have 50+ spells
>you mash 1-3 of them in raid/dungeons
>meaningful
>>336004741
It's not.
Mac support for the WoW client was PATCHED IN, it was launched with zero support
so if you plan on launching the game on 1.0 and do rolling raid content, mac customers are fucked
>>336005029
Factually wrong, the only terrible gamist game out there are pretty old RPGs like arcanum where balance and decisions really don't matter jackshit since something is obviously OP as fuck and doing anything else is gimping yourself for >fun.
>>336005156
You don't buy anything ever?
>>336005154
No, there is literally nothing. The entire plot is just references to the first game. Other than that you got shit on 4 dudes then go somewhere and sit down and it ends. That's all.
>>336005161
But that is not how patch progression works.
You are given the latest patch for that version of the game (1.12.1) so that all errors, glitches, bugs and exploits are sorted. Content is then removed from the game and released over time as if it were receiving patches that only effect game play.
>>336001035
If they made Legacy and it was a separate sub, would you pay for it /v/?
>>336005161
People actually play games on macs? I thought they were for hipster college students to brag about how they don't have a Windows computer to write their essays on.
>Over the years we have talked about a “pristine realm”. In essence that would turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder.
When they say they will turn off heirloom gear....please don't tell me they just mean the increased exp portion of heirloom gear. PLEASE don't tell me that is what they mean.
Please tell me they're just going to do the right thing and flatout remove heirloom gear from the pristine servers.
the exp gain from heirloom gear isn't even the issue. The issue is the absurd stats they give which destroys PvE and PvP
>>336005380
Yes, but I would stop paying the retail sub and wouldn't buy Legion, so they would have shot themselves in the foot there.
Business wise making it a single sub makes the most sense.
>>336005270
how it references the original and ties it to the current game is what im interested in, I just like a blind play through km8. If there really is nothing to it then ill figure it out at the end
you can play however you want
>>336005458
They'd still get their money either way anon, not everyone is like you anyway.
>>336005380
I would. There's no reason to be subbed to current WoW.
If it's the same sub, I'll pay it to play Legacy. If it's a different sub, I'll pay it to play Legacy.
Fuck current WoW.
>>336005425
No heirloom at all.
Also
>Muh lowbie peeveeepai/peeveeerrr
wtf u on nigger?
>>336005425
I agree but whenever people make this arguement I always see the other side saying
"well heirlooom gear is just as god as blue gear from dungoens"
>>336005425
Who cares?
You're still retardedly powerful compared to mobs, even without heirlooms
The game still encourages extreme stratification of the playerbase
The game discourages interaction with strangers
The world is still over-designed on-rails cata questing
>>336001801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM40cK5tu7w
look at all those blizzcucks in denial
how much do you think they're getting paid to pretend to like vanilla?
>>336005552
Heirloom gear is quite literally twink gear at every point in the game up to level 90. Twink gear without working to get twink gear.
Anybody that doesn't have heirlooms will get 2-3 shotted by somebody with heirloom gear, and will deal no fucking damage to them.
>>336005189
not from jews
>>336001035
Can I do this in a WoW legacy server?
>>336005546
>it's a different sub you must pay on top of a live realms sub
That's what JaGeX intended originally for OSRS
>>336005380
If they do it sensibly id be tempted, if they involve ma bois from nost, then i would probably cave
>>336005458
Especially in terms of measuring what is a more popular game and making them more money. That way, if vanilla gameplay is favoured by most, they can fix the fuck up that is modern wow
>>336005625
>Not showing end-game raiding or custom pvp events
hahahaha
nostcucks
>>336005384
Nah they're for people who actually use ram intensive applications built on open gl
>>336005701
>if vanilla gameplay is favoured by most, they can fix the fuck up that is modern wow
You literally cannot fix modern wow to work the way classic worked
>>336005625
Look at all those nostcucks, thinking they like anything other than [current year] game. Who the fuck do they think they are? How dare they not be in complete agreement with Blizzard's current vision of WoW.
>>336005671
soon you will can't do this even in vindictus :^)
>>336005606
i did get slightly excited about pristine until i then imagined it and thoughof all of the points you have laid out in your post
I just wanna make a level 1 human and spend hours after hours leveling in elwynn forest in my own, comfy phase.
Looting copper coins and saving up for that mount at level 40.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvW-QTiZLQ0
>>336005425
Also
>Level 1 warrior with 3/4 valor and an arcanite reaper
>Level 20 mage with almost full dreadmist and a headmaster's charge riding around on a corehound
You faggots talk so much about class homogenization you overlook that the homogenization of aesthetics.
It used to be a warlock in tattered clothes looking to one day don the full dreadmist gear or starting as a warrior with a shitty sword working up to full plate gear then making your own arcanite reaper as you collect your valor pieces.
>>336005792
explain
>>336005839
It'll remove some major flaws in current WoW, but it'll still be the exact same shitty WoD content, with a lot more major flaws still left in.
>>336005786
>Having multiple non-stat food boofs on the bar
lol poorfag spotted
>>336005927
check how much people is online right know
your game is dying mateshame because it was better than bdo and b&s
>>336005782
I reckon you could. Just have another cataclysmic expansion, only do it right this time
honestly the "pristine server" option isn't a bad deal at all
keep all the current expansions, but remove LFG and crossrealm, possibly flying mounts. you're gonna have to leave your garrison to look for groups.
>>336005996
not dying on korea and CN :^)
>>336005996
It's nexon's kikery at play as usual.
>Make it so fucking grindy that KOREANS laugh at you
>????
>People leave
>Current WoW low level experience
>Easy as fuck
>Managed to kill that boss at the end of the Ghostlands blood elf questline that recommends having 5 players to kill on my own at level 20 when he's level 21.
>Did this without heirlooms
Neo-WoW is so fucking shit.
>>336006038
>tfw they get the good version of the game
reeee
>>336006124
you can play CN Vindi easy and install an english mod
>>336001035
>"We explored options for developing classic servers and none could be executed without great difficulty."
What sort of architecture were you using?
Load up the old version and slap it on a server.
Yes I realise there's the problem with WoW not supporting downgrading the client. Have the user use two clients. Your game is 20 fucking gigabytes, another 120Mb .exe won't kill it.
I bet what they're doing is finding a way to get the Dungeon Finder working in vanilla.
Or a way to implement the cash shop, so you could buy pets and mounts and unique looking gear.
Vanilla had its flaws, true. Healers and Warriors levelled at the speed of a snail in tar, Hybrids were useless, PvP was imba as fuck. But shit, at least it wasn't a garrison and retard-finder simulator.
>>336001035
I hope that you get legacy servers so you finally fucking shut up about it.
>>336006202
Blizzard shit the bed and accidentally their entire version control software nearly 7 years ago.
>>336006237
>so you finally fucking shut up about it
Is that what you think?
>>336006202
Which classes had an easy time in Vanilla as far as leveling went?
Warlocks, mages and hunters perhaps?
>>336006103
Old wow was 10 times easier, people just fucking sucked at WoW and the logistics were a pain. That's where all the difficulty was, logistics.
>>336006328
Well, complaining about not having it. I know every one of these fuckers will still run around and act like they're hot shit for playing a decade old version of a game.
Never ever, legacycucks
Another thing I'll miss from Nost is that it had a server pop that was easily 6x what blizzard allows.
I doubt cross-realm ANYTHING would work on vanilla, so you'd pretty much need those 100,000 player per server pop so you could find 40 people up for a BWL run.
>>336005904
Good point.
>>336006374
Hunters, Warlocks, and Paladins. Mages were held back by needing to chug constantly.
>>336006237
Not gonna happen
If they don't, threads whining about it continue
If they do, threads parading it around will take it's place
The shitposting never ends.
when official legacy servers arrive, will you guys learn the cooking profession as you level up? or skip it til maybe later
>250k signatures
>nostalrius had 800k players
yeah mate, it will "happen"
So Legacy fags, I have a question.
After you've inevitably exhausted the meager amount of content that Vanilla WoW has, what then? You just gonna quit? You gonna cry for them to add BC to the Vanilla server?
I'm dead serious btw, what the fuck are you expecting to happen? Because I don't know about yous, but I couldn't run those same few raids over and over again and find that enjoyable.
>>336006601
Most of those 800k got bored as fuck playing it or were bots trying to sell gold.
>>336006552
Probably going to make a Rogue, so absolutely.
>tfw Thistle Tea
>>336006658
They will still try to be the biggest faggots possible.
>>336006383
Nahhh it's really not. I played both of them back to back (Wrath and WoD) to see the difference, and-
>could pull 3+ enemies without dying or requiring healing (not a tanking class either), unlike the older stuff where if you pulled more than one you were fucked in the early game
>mobs die before a single rotation is done, bosses maybe survive one rotation, compared to the older stuff where you need to take it slow
>almost never had to drink in wod, had to drink constantly when i played the vanilla content in wrath
I did like that WoD was waaaaay more fucking streamlined, though. It's a better game mechanically, but way too fucking easy. Perhaps Vanilla was too hard, too. The Night Elf starting zone in particular, especially the quest with the druids in the cave, is utterly fucking brutal. I've yet to actually solo that one.
>>336006552
>when
IF legacy servers come i will level up first aid, cooking, fishing and probably herbalism/alchemy. Might do LW/BS/tailoring depending on what class I choose.
>>336006601
Registered users. They had about 150k active which is still a lot. I didn't play but i signed the petition.
>>336003367
The leveling was streamlined mostly because they keep adding 10 levels to any expansion like retards and so to compensate they made leveling from 1-100 faster than 1-60 even without heirlooms, classic wow could solve this since it would have an 80 cap at best.
>>336006790
I'm talking about actual game, not fucking levelling. Levelling was just tedious in vanilla and is trivial no matter what.
>>336006601
>be Mike Morhaime
>getting old and contemplative
>look back on career and legacy
>will you leave behind something worthwhile?
>get email from Mark Kern about preserving history and making Azeroth great again
>Mike Morhaime smile and eyes sparkle
>>336006436
>Paladins
No.
Hunters did well.
Warlocks did well enough, though they tended to alternate Drain Life and Life Tap.
Rogues did well enough vs. single mobs, though tended to get plowed vs. many
Mages spent more time drinking than fighting.
Retdins were zzz
Warriors were zzz
Shadowpreists were zzz + needing to drink
Ferals were like worse Rogues. They did do better vs. multiple mobs though.
Balance druids were hahaha
However, it's important to note the payoff.
At level 60, Warriors were necessary in PvE as pretty much the only viable tank for many encounters.
Healers were in great need.
Rogues were decent at max level but overpopulated as shit, same as hunters, so good luck finding a group.
Warlocks and Mages kind of got shit on in PvP.
Paladins, Druids - lol hybrids
>>336003878
iktf bruh
>>336006896
Jesus, not even DA fanfiction is that cringeworthy.
>We can't push a button and make classic servers
but that's literally what the team at nostalrius did.
>>336006853
The guy you were replying to was talking about levelling, though.
>>336006552
Bitch I am going to run Razorfen Downs for the tea recipe.
>>336006928
And don't forget that you only even took a hunter for tranq shot. Your entire job was sit there, wait till we need a tranq shot.
>>336006896
>Mike Morhaime smile and eyes sparkle
>Run to get the phone, call mark
>He's hyped, he's happy
>Call him a fucking cuck and legacy never ever
>Later on mark kills himself
>Happiness reached
>>336006928
>Shadowpreists were zzz + needing to drink
>Shadow Priests
>Needing to Drink
Spirit Tap + Wand spec. Assuming you weren't retarded, Shadow Priests were one of the fastest leveling specs in the game.
>>336006928
you forgot about shamanzzzzz
Bear druid were pretty great vs multiple mobs, could clear well.
>>336006928
>Warlocks and Mages kind of got shit on in PvP.
This couldn't be more incorrect. Let me remind you that fear spam was a real issue that made Undead mandatory for horde PVP players, and that 3 minute mages were a thing.
>>336007030
Enchantmentwas pretty fun only because windfury was retarded.
>>336003878
>>336006938
Wrathbabbies really are the worst.
>>336007043
I tried out retail WoW recently and fear doesn't even make you run away anymore, wtf!? so it's just a stun now? fucking lame. and now they're struggling with all the classes being the same? well no fucking shit you idiot game designers, don't give them all exactly the same abilities you idiots
>>336007112
>he thinks wrath wasn't the height of the game
>>336007112
No, Vanilla manbabies are. TBC is the best with MOP in close second.
>>336007108
True, that was ok. I lvld as elemental which was pretty slow and later raided as resto. Resto shaman in raids and dungeons was fun but elemental was pretty shit. Windfury procs on windfury procs on windfury procs in pvp was great though, had a pvp buddy who ran around killing everyone as I healed.
>>336001035
>Blizzard's completely and within their right to shut down Nost
>Even if they didn't want to, they still have to protect their IP
>Thousands of autists take this as Blizzard hating everyone and everything and try to say that they're jealous or some bullshit like that
>Despite the fact that these people know Blizzard is within their rights, they say that it's not "ethical", like that means anything
>>336007159
Yeah I don't, because it wasn't. Wrath was a good expansion but it was still watered down and catered to fucking casuals such as yourself.
>>336005625
>1 world boss with the whole server to fight for it per week
Wouldn't that make it exclusive to try hard guilds and the only way you can ever get a kill yourself is to join said guild? That's not taking in account one of the sides isn't camping the other.
>>336007112
I've been playing since open beta. Wrath pre-dungeon finder was the peak of WoW .
>>336007274
>Wouldn't that make it exclusive to the people that actually put work into it?
Shit fuck call the police.
>>336007170
>TBC is the best with MOP in close second
I agree TBC was the best but MOP second? Nah mate, fuck off.
>faggots still want to play their watered down everquest
If you want to play a shit game why not go straight to the source and slurp down that dribbly bile out of a puckering asshole?
>>336007274
Or you could just gank their healers every time they pull, or have a Warrior taunt the boss to evade range and reset it to prevent them killing it. World Bosses in vanilla were PvP flashpoints.
>>336007332
>I have a shit opinion
Okay.
>Bunch of normalfags like Jontron latch onto Nostalrius
>Gets shut down
>Everyone throws a huge fucking shitfit over nothing
Blizzard has closed private servers down before, what the fuck makes this any different? Just because of the normalfags playing it?
>>336007215
>protect their IP
other game studios allow mod teams and fans to use their IP all the time. this excuse is bullshit. even if it were a real concern, they could make a simple license agreement like lots of other companies do
>>336006552
>being a rugged warrior on an adventure in azeroth
>not camping and cooking food along the way
>>336006806
>IF
They are getting announced once the Legion sub spike dies down
When this whole controversy caught the attention of the decision-makers in Activision, you can be certain they went to mike for an explanation why he is not tapping into the market
>>336007363
MOP had some great raids, gave players a reason to be out in the world and team up for some bosses (which were pretty LOL), unique content such as scenarios, and overall a pleasant map design. MOP was def a step in the right direction compared to Cata, WOD, and even Wrath. Most of its sins were born before the expac itself.
>>336007159
Let me be more specific.
Wrath's "Heroics" were retard tier baby mode, until they introduced TotC and the ICC 5mans.
TotC shit on the players because they have no idea how to horse. Aside from that it's kind of meh.
Now, Ulduar was a good raid.
ICC was a good raid.
Ruby Sanctum was a good raid.
Maly was a good raid.
You know what weren't good raids?
Naxx, as it was ezmoded.
ToC25, it sucked hard in many ways. (though I do admit I enjoyed playing Ikaruga)
and Obsidain Sanctum, given that it was basically a retard check given form.
Oh, and there's one thing I need to complain about
VIOLET HOLD
FUCK THAT INSTANCE
I get VH on the random 5man? Instant quit. VH had so much bullshit waiting and "muh roleplay" and lame ass waiting shit.
Oculus? no, Oculus was fine. Easily one of the fastest 5mans to run. Though I will never quite understand how everyone on the Amber drake seems to drink paint and not know how to use the numbers 1 2 and 3 in the correct order.
>>336006853
Leveling was THE game game in Vanilla, less so in TBC and even less so Wrath until it was made irrelevant.
>>336007226
>le contrarian meme :^)
>>336007562
A VALIANT DEFENSE
>>336007435
>He thinks it's an excuse
WoW's an MMO you fucking retard, how long are you going to stay ignorant?
It'd be one thing if WoW wasn't still around today, but it is.
Actually, know what? Never fucking mind. There's no point in arguing with you kind of people on /v/, you all circlejerk and lie to yourselves and there's no reasonable way that you people will ever listen until you get what you want.
Literal screaming children, but even worse than that.
>>336007472
>be mike morhaime
>called into activation shareholders meeting to explain why no legacy servers
>blame the brack for everything
>>336007592
>He actually thinks the general consensus is that Wrath was the peak of the game in anything but player numbers
If that were the case wouldn't everyone be petitioning for Wrath servers instead? Wrathbabbies are the contrarian minority I'm afraid.
>>336005160
>not rolling hunter
>not using eye of the beast on your level 60 stealth cat
>not standing on the outskirts of goldshire and killing all the low levels with only your pet
>>336007619
People also have no idea how to run Gundrak.
Pink is the Retard Route. It involves far more trash packs that is necessary. It seems to be the route everyone takes.
Green is the Pro route. By swimming, you can skip the trash.
>but what about the fish?
Tank aggros, DoT & HoT as you move.
I will never understand why people refuse to do the jump into the water. I haven't counted but it has to skip at least 4 trash packs.
>>336007435
>allow MOD teams
are you dumb? there's a huge difference between making a mod and hosting a private server
>>336001898
Have you ever played a stock mangos vanilla server? Jesus Christ you are retarded, the work they did was extremely extensive and outstanding. This is like saying that web designers have to write every single plugin they use from the ground up for every website they make, or else its not their work.
>>336007939
you think IP law has a special clause in it for third party MMO servers vs offline mods? leave the legal analysis to the experts m8
>>336001801
So that's why nostalrius was filled to the brim with players?
>>336008214
They have a precedent, so they can easily win any lawsuit against some shitead private server. Assuming it is US based, of course.
>>336007869
Pink is better for leveling since everyone needs to collect items for the quest and packs go down fast for reasonable XP
>>336007159
It had one good patch (3.1). The 5-mans were worthless from the start, there was one good encounter at launch (Sartharion+3D on 10-man), TOC is a contender for the worst raid ever and ICC is mediocre. Most of the arena seasons are also shit (S5 had outrageous balance issues, S8 also had a lot of retarded shit with the patch lasting so long everyone could get Shadowmourne, and I think the overall style of PvP was worse than in TBC: generally speaking, ignoring the most cancerous matchups, and not focusing on arenas exclusively).
Now, WotLK does have some strengths like more classes becoming more involved to play (although when thinking of class design as a whole, it's a step back with all the homogenization, fucking awful style of healing and tanking, and classes getting too powerful), nice environment, better quest variety and it represents the peak in convenience while the game still feels like an MMORPG (at least prior to 3.3 patch). But even if we ignore the quality of endgame content, there's plenty of terrible designs to compensate, ranging from gutted professions (identical stat boosts without them offering anything else of worth is so exciting) to bastardizing designs that worked in TBC (for example, I 100% agree flying is an inherent handicap to world PvP and exploration, but TBC had a multitude of designs that made it not such a big deal, ranging from 3s mount cast times making escaping that much more difficult to fast flying actually being prestigeous and 60% speed providing an incentive to use ground mount, while WotLK hyperinflation made the cost of fast flying trivial, while the slow flying was buffed anyway) and introducing designs that were damning the moment they were introduced (like RDF).
>>336008328
Nost was in France. the EU Supreme Commission has already declared that post-purchase EULA agreements are not legally binding, so Nost was legal under EU law.
That said, they couldn't afford to actually take it to court, so Blizzard wins by default.
>>336006202
They've said before that they don't have any copies of the original WoW. It's more than a decade ffs.
>>336001035
Why in fuck would Mark "Abuse muh employees and waste tens of millions of dollars because i'm a retarded sociopath" Kern be in talks with anyone? He has nothing to do with Nostalrius?
Also
>In talks with Nost
>A unstable server that was barely blizzlike
Why in fuck would they want Nost to do legacy instead of Kronos?
>>336008535
>Nost was legal under EU law.
No, it was copyright infringement. You can't just take someone elses shit and host it yourself.
>>336006672
If Blizzard is aloud to inflate their numbers with the Chinese, so is Nost.
>>336008328
What precedent? Wowscape comes to my mind as another server that was shut down but that didn't go to court either and there's several key differences that might make a difference in the ruling anyway (Wowscape was blatantly for-profit enterprise, Nostalrius was hosted in France, and even if tried in US courts, there's a recent ruling that makes a special exception for reverse-engineered games for the purpose of preserving them: it talks about museums and such like but without actual legal precedent, who knows for certain how courts would interpret it in non-profit private server context).
Where can I play a good WoW (not this modern-casual bullshit) for free?
>>336008851
No it wasn't, their server side code was all original, therefore not copyright, and the client used to access the server was legally purchased you shithead.
>>336008861
I never said that blizzard was ALLOWED to either.
>>336008937
Kronos, but I've heard the servers are packed.
>>336008818
Because he's an attention whore?
>>336008938
>client used to access the server was legally purchased you shithead.
No it's not, you buy the game client to connect to Blizzard's servers. The price is the license to play the particular expansion. It's all in the TOS.
Why do people keep making this argument? It would be laughed out of any court, even the tinpot African country ones.
>>336008937
WoW has always been casual
>>336008674
>11 year old raid
why do you think it should still be relevant today?
>>336008938
Warcraft belongs to blizzard, you can't just do whatever you want with it.
There's a reason GW shut down fan projects, it's not just because they're a cackling evil corporation, it's because if they didn't shut them down once they became aware of it they'd risk losing their IP.
>>336009041
>No it's not, you buy the game client to connect to Blizzard's servers. The price is the license to play the particular expansion. It's all in the TOS.
A ToS which is NOT LEGALLY BINDING IN THE EU. I just said that you fucktard. Post-purchase EULA agreements have been declared invalid in the EU, Australia, New Zealand, and pretty much every country that isn't America.
>>336009109
>Post-purchase EULA agreements
WoW's EULA is not post-purchase. You can return the game if you disagree with it, and you can't install the client unless if you agree to it.
Furthermore, EU law prohibits ToS that waives the right of arbitration; it doesn't make ToS illegal or ineffective.
Maybe you should read up instead of being this triggered?
>>336007625
there's literally no legal precendent that shows that not protecting your ip makes you lose it, you are the baby that is simply refusing to look at things as they are, a special kind of retard. Blizzard has any right to shut down nost, but it's certainly not because they would lose their ip if they didn't shut it down. Pathetic.
>>336009109
No, ToS are legally binding, but ToS can be illegal in which case they aren't.
If your ToS are all within the law, it is legally binding.
EULA are totally fucking different.
>>336008851
Nostalrius actually did provide a download link for 1.12.1 client so there's that. But this is again the "is linking torrents legal" debate (I don't know how it is in US or France).
However, the server software has been made from scratch, no copyrighted Blizzard material there. Or well, there's some (for example, the localization in WoW works such that the server does send the names of NPCs and items to the client), but would that count as copyright infringement? I severely doubt it. There are precedents of derivative works that use FAR more non-original material (Phantom Edit, for example) and they were fine (in this case it didn't go to court either but Lucasfilm said they'd sue if they could), same goes with reverse-engineering software (Real Alternative for example, the case was dismissed and RealTek had to play the author for damages).
>>336001035
>mein fuhrer you think you do but you don't
kek
>>336009259
exactly, who gives a fuck if they have a right to shut down Nost, fact is they shouldn't want to and they don't need to
>>336009235
That still doesn't mean that people can just do what they want with a company's software. Especially on the scale that Nost was.
>>336009305
>no copyrighted Blizzard material there
Except you know, every single asset.
You're comparing a none profit that someone just made and threw out there, to someone using all their assets, their IP, everything, and hosting what is effectively a competing product. If they stripped away all the warcraft and then did it, that's a different thing entirely.
>>336009462
The assets are 100% client-side, a part of the client that the user might have legally obtained.
>>336009543
That's not how that works, you fuck.
>>336009543
That the user had a licence to use within the context defined by blizzard. Which is how all software works.
You're still failing to address the fact that they were using blizzard's IP, assets, art, brand, etc with no legal right to do so.
>>336009624
this thread has images from WoW in it, does that mean blizzard has to shut down 4chan to 'protect their IP'?
>>336007274
Nightmare dragons respawned roughly around the same time, so unless one guild was so much better than the others, if your guild is part of the top brass, you probably will get one dragon. Guilds usually had alliances for dragon events, so there was a raid group of people PvPing and other group of people taking loot.
>>336009671
No, for Internet discussions it's considered to be under "fair use".
>>336001035
This picture really captured me into trying WoW when I was younger. After playing Wc3 forever, this picture some reason captured my most exciting interest.
also
>night elf demon hunter in vanilla screenshot
>took them 10 yr to make it
>>336009758
Though IIRC, in Japan that was actually the case, web boards and threads would get closed for posting pictures from official artbooks and shit.
>>336009671
Are you really this retarded? Screenshots are a whole different beast than the software being copied outright. Even someone using a fucking tree from WoW in their game it would be illegal and the offender can be sued over it. If the dumb faggot took a picture and uploaded to their website, it is perfectly fine.
>>336009973
Nost didn't copy any software. They made original server code, which other people, using separate software, connected to.
>>336001035
enjoy your pristine servers, nostalcucksreal talk i think blizzard should sell licenses that are periodically (something like annually) refreshed and offer no tech support for legacy servers. that way retail can continue to evolve and pissbabies have their containment zones to pretend they will enjoy for all eternity
>>336010025
That's still illegally using it, you faggot.
>>336010025
They didn't make an original world, models, lore, brand, etc.
If they took all that and made an original game from it you might have a leg to stand on, as it is they took all that and then used it to run someone elses game.
>>336010085
>They didn't make an original world, models, lore, brand etc.
None of this is in server code. This is all in the client, which Nost did not change or modify in any way. They simply made a server that other people, using a client they had legally licensed, could connect to.
>>336010175
>using a client they had legally licensed
ffs the "legally licensed" part means they have to pay Blizzard 15 bucks to use. How do you not get this?
You buying the game CD doesn't entitle you to use it for perpetuity. Blizzard is not selling you WoW, they're selling you access to the WoW service.
I can't believe people are this dumb. You can argue, for example, that Vanilla WoW would qualify as "abandoned property", but only a full retard would go "hurr, not copyright infringement".
>>336010175
THAT.IS.STILL.ILLEGAL.
Holy fuck. That is still a blizzard product in the end, no matter if the actual server belonged to someone else. You simply cannot legally host a company's MMO on a server you own without their express consent. Obviously Nost didn't have Blizzard's consent since they got shut the fuck down.
>>336010272
there you go quoting a TOS that isn't enforceable in the EU again. you're argument is pretty invalid
>>336010175
But that's not how the licence works. Your WoW licnece lets you connect to blizzard, and only blizzard. So you aren't allowed to do that, other people aren't allowed to make their own servers and have people connect to it. These are just not things you're allowed to do.
>>336009624
>assets
Besides details like the server sending a string like "Thrall" to the client, no they aren't.
>art
Looking at the website as it was in Archive.org, I think there's one picture of a dwarf that is Blizzard's (and I wouldn't be surprised if it was in a fansite kit), I'm pretty sure the others are fanart that are copyrighted by someone but not Blizzard.
>Brand/"IP"
It's branded as Nostalrius, there doesn't seem to be even a mention of World of Warcraft or other Blizzard trademarks.
>>336010337
>It's branded as Nostalrius, there doesn't seem to be even a mention of World of Warcraft or other Blizzard trademarks.
Except, you know, THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME.
Jesus fucking Christ you have to be trolling, no one is this goddamn retarded.
>>336010336
So then it was completely legal for me to connect to Nost using my legally licensed client which I pay a sub fee for then. Glad we've reached an understanding.
>that vanilla gear
H A P P E N I N G
>>336010317
No, ToS ARE legally binding you chucklefuck. They're only not if the ToS is illegal or found to be in violation of something. Stop mixing up EULA and ToS.
The ToS is lieterally "this is what you are paying for and what this service is"
>>336010438
>more heirlooms
t-thanks blizzard
>>336010317
Not even the nigger laws of EU would say that it is OK to copy an MMO and host it yourself without the company's approval first.
>>336010317
>a TOS that isn't enforceable in the EU
ToS is applicable in the EU; otherwise, Steam and other gaming companies wouldn't sell their products.
>>336005139
It's the latest WoW expansion that can be considered "polished" by new private server standards. Also some people prefer the retarded rotation-based spammy PvP in cata and """""""balanced"""""""" classes
>>336008906
Man WoWscape. I played that shit during late TBC era when money was super tight. Fucking total moneygrab of a server run by some huge cunt of an old lady.
Fucking donor packages were somewhere to the tune of 300 to 400 dollars and gave you custom legendary god gear. GMs were just whoever sucked the managements dick and they'd fuck with people and randomly attack cities out of boredom.
The best part was all the buggy shit.
Hunter Pets specifically had a bug where they would retaim attack speed bonuses permenantly if they were dismissed with it active. Some fuckery would fold the DPS increase into their base attack when resummoned, but each time the time between attacks would go up exponentially along with the base damage. The end result was a pet that would hit once every 1,200 days, but would hit for the tune of 13 to 15 million damage, allowing you to one or two shot anything in the game (dismissing and resummoning to make another attack quicker).
Also, "Spell Hunters" became popular when they started realizing that Arcane Shot was bugged to provide far too much scaling with spellpower. A Hunter geared in all caster stuff could land 6k to 7k Arcane shots every 6 seconds.
Many quest items were also bugged and became toy-like, such as the rod from the BE starting area thst turned the quest NPCs into pigs, could be used on any player or NPC.
Place was a shitshow but still fun to dick around on for awhile.
>>336010484
so why don't they give Nost their approval?
>if we could push a button and make legacy servers we would
>b-b-bu PROTECT MUH IP
>>336010480
The models are vanilla era too. Guys get hyped.
>>336007730
>using eye of kilrog to wipe raids for shits and giggles
>MCing people off of boats just before the zone boundary so they have to spirit rez
>using far sight to explore the map
>naming your pet as a rare and using eye of the beast to kill idiots
>all the class quests
>engineering was actually good
>those rogue duels for lockpick skill farming spots
I miss it all.
>>336010427
No because it isn't blizzard's servers. Those are the only servers you are allowed to connect to. Jesus penus.
>>336010502
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/119739-Steam-TOS-Leads-to-Trouble-in-Germany
Blizzard has the exact same clause in their ToS, therefore their ToS is invalid in Germany
>>336010606
I want to believe so bad, but still holding my breath.
>>336010597
Because they want to have the money for themselves, rather than allow a couple of fogs raking in donation money.
>>336010390
In principle you could build the client from scratch as well with completely new art assets and such like and it'd communicate with the server just fine. The fact that people connect to the server with WoW 1.12.1 client (which they could have acquired legally, and with EULA invalid in EU, it doesn't matter if it says you can't connect to other servers) is coincidental.
>>336010614
oh man I forgot about mind control, that shit was hilarious
did vanilla have undead race being affected by 'vs undead' spells or had they streamlined that away already?
>>336010656
You can't tell the difference between a marketplace having that provision and a single game, really? you do know context is quite important right?
>>336010759
Please stop, your armchair understanding of law is actually painful to read at this point.
>>336010614
I miss Eyes of the Beast for scouting in WPvP, and using my cat to sneak around and find RPers cybering in "private" locations and messing with them.
Literally nerfing fun by taking it out.
>>336010872
>rping
>>336010780
I'm pretty sure they were counted as humanoid as early as beta. They were also supposed to be able to speak common.
Druids however in cat and bear form are considered beasts and subject to both beastslaying enchants and hunter's scare beast.
You also couldn't interact with most NPCs when shapeshifted. A small detail but it all added up.
>>336005671
dude vindictus sucks dick you don't need to remind us every thread
>>336010871
Well, last time I checked, there's no legal precedent so you might as well shut up as well.
It's also worth noting that plenty of other servers have allegedly received cease and desist letters as well (even popular for-profit ones like Molten/Warmane) and nothing has come out of that so Blizzard too seems uninclined to go to court.
>>336010780
Undead were susceptable to things like Turn Undead and Excorcism only in the beta. This was also the only time Undead spoke in Common and could cross-faction communicate.
When live launched they made Undead still classified as Humanoid targets and removed Common from their language lists.
People got by for a bit by using symbols to "speak" to the other side before that too was patched out.
>>336010872
How the fuck do you mess with them?
>>336001801
I never touched Vanilla (I joined 6 months into TBC) and i'm loving it.
Get fucked cuck
Are you people fucking retarded? It's not physically possible without pretty much recoding their entire system, to which all their new games are tied. They already said no. What kind of nostalgia cucks still think it's possible, let alone Blizz being willing to just go back on the no they already gave, because muh petition?
They'll be told it's not going to happen to their face so they can see the fat nerds weep.
>>336010438
massive troll post 100%
>>336010872
eye of the beast, farsight, it's funny you used to be able to abuse the game with those abilities.
farsight you could cap from across the map or a hunter could cap with their pet.
>>336011070
Unstealthed my cat after a gross /me line and jumped him around or sat on them.
If they were enemy faction I would just hit them and run or kill them with the pet if they were low level enough.
BLIZZARD JUST POSTED THIS ON TWITTER
https://twitter.com/Blizzard_Ent/status/726124670353694721
>>336010727
>>336010727
>>336001035
Activision is a big corporation - do you think they are going to bend because of vocal minority? They can't do two competing products. No matter how much fucking neckbeards will vote.
World of Warcraft is facebook tier of game until the end, face it.
>>336005846
>tfw entering the barrens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5s0MQvF9s
>>336010614
>onyxia reset night
>horde guild all dons eye patches and pirate hats
>take over the Menethil boat at primetime and deny alliance from raiding
>have guys in their ventrilo
>alliance raid guilds call to head to booty bay to take the boat to ratchet instead
>we hearth and take the zeppelin to grom'gol to head them off
>entire night is alliance raid guilds laying siege to horde pvp guilds
>continues for months
>>336011159
Neither of those abilities (along with Eagle Eye) let you interact with anything with a gear icon, including chests and flags. No idea what you're talking about.
>>336011282
>Onyxia raid night
>Ony dies, loot distributed
>The one fucking skinner in the guild left his Finkles in his bank
>By the time he gets back the corpse despawned
Thanks Blizz.
>>336011272
the feels you always get listening to the original OST
>>336011416
>Finkle's Skinner
>first thing that comes to mind is the board on Darknest where you could find download links to nude skins
>>336011416
>40 people
>1 skinner
shit guild desu
>>336003930
I did a lot of research on wow mechanics back in the day for the molten core emulation which I think still runs the Warmane wotlk servers. Everything you said is right on. Nostalrius' biggest strengths are emulating the most nostalgic time on Wow, not profiteering off of it, and PR.
Most of vanilla wows content was already developed by other people before the server opened. Vanilla wow quests and bosses were very simple compared to wotlk for example when blizzard introduced quest instances. The hardest part about reverse engineering a vanilla server would be finding out how a lot of endgame mechanics and balances worked. Wikis and patch notes can only go so far, you need anecdotal evidence from vanilla veterans that have a clear memory of how things were in a specific patch if you hope to make your server anything like the original.
>>336011282
>MC/BWL reset night
>Guild takes over Blackrock Mountain common area and Forgewright's Tomb chains
>Mindcontrolling people into the lava or off the cliff onto the ramp for lethal fall damage
>People stationed at the one ramp out of it to kill those lucky enough to make it there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR69zVmPb80&t=41s
>>336001035
The petition has 250k signatures because it's free. no one will play in official legacy servers. You assholes just want free shit.
>>336011735
>He thinks people wouldn't pay to play on an official version of WoW that isn't shit
>He thinks people just want free shit and it's not about how shit retail is now
>He continues to sub to WoW because he trusts in Blizz
Man I hate nu-Blizzard era Blizzdrones.
>>336011856
I haven't played since cata launch. I just like pointing out how delusional nostfags are.
>>336003496
Fucking murlocs on the coast of dark shore would pull the entire zone if you aggrod one.
>>336011735
>crudely veiled "STOP HAVING FUN DOING THINGS I DONT LIKE" post
settle down there champ
Ill roll a paladin on vanilla
Easiest class ever
>get some +healing and +mp5
>spam rank 1 FoL
>literally impossible to go oom and you heal for 600+
>>336011908
Wow you haven't played since the launch of the beggining of the worst era of WoW and you're making fun of people enjoying the glory days of live?
What in the actual fuck are you even doing opening your mouth for?
>>336007332
>That picture
What the fuck
the entire unded campaign in w3 was arthas literally destroying his own kingdom and his kingdom allies and everything in general
They should have made important lore characters neutral to avoid retarded shit like this
>>336011992
>stop having fun doing things i don't like
I like vanilla, i don't like nostfags.
The legacy servers will fail.
>>336011993
Gotta be a rogue
/e pickpockets %t for 57 silver
Despite being a decade old this will probably still fool people because they'll just assume vanilla let you do that.
>>336011735
I can already play WoW for free with WoD's token system or Public Test Realms and I choose not to play it.
>>336012149
>my opinions are facts
when will you learn?
>>336012073
>reading comprehension
I've probably been playing this game longer than any of you self-righteous fucks.
>>336012112
>the entire unded campaign in w3 was arthas literally destroying his own kingdom and his kingdom allies and everything in general
That was after he grabbed the frostmourne tho
Still stupid
>>336011993
>Ranked spells
>Frost Mage
>Rank 1 frostbolt for a cheap, .5 second cast snare thst had a chance to root
>Kite and spam until it procced
>Unload with delicious shattering max Rank Frostbolt + Cone of Cold
>>336012167
How bad is stealth, could you spam LBRS for lockboxes or would you get knocked out of stealth
>>336012112
To be fair he does say "I suspect" and "might be".
Uther is a fucking idiot and cannot be treated as a reliable source of information.
they should just completely overhaul and scrap current wow
release a new game, maybe even called World of Warcraft maybe called something else
use the new technology, new graphics engine, new ui
its a fresh mmo, everyone starts fresh, using all the best aspects of vanilla, wrath and tbc, levels are 1-60
same classes or new ones, whatever
just you your character, the world and other players, no pet battles, no group finder, no achievements, no store, no flying, no character services, no transmog
it could be the world of warcraft, kalimdor, eastern kingdoms, gryphons and wyverns as we knew it, it could be something completely different, a new high fantasy mmo
>>336012320
Easier said than done: the post
>>336012320
I heard World of StarCraft is in the making from my buddy who works at blizz.
>>336012281
Is that uther?
Thats even worse
Literally shiits on the scene where arthas goes to get the urn that contains his father's ashes
>>336001035
why is a cenarion circle guard, a loch modan mountaineer, a lvl 20 warlock and a lvl 30 warrior trying to kill Vael in ZG?
I am shaking my head family to be honest
>>336012472
honestly a diablo one would be 10x's better.
>>336012216
>hurr durr I'm the only late 20 early 30 spergy neckbeard still posting on 4chan about vanilla
To which I say fuck you. Played since the start. Never picked up Nost but it sounded fun. Blizz hopefully doing something productive in their talks, but probably just finding out how to maximum jew vanilla WoW out to people.
>>336012262
This was the reason instances got their 5 an hour reset limit. Little chinese gold farmer rogues spamming those all day when they weren't farming Runecloth in Tyr's Hand.
When is the meeting?
>>336012524
diablo 3 m8, GL beating that.
動物園の餌か
>>336012262
You needed to spec into stealth in subtlety and stay behind mobs otherwise you will get spotted pretty frequently. Also Sap needed talent points to have a 90% chance of not knocking you out of stealth.
I think night elves also had marginally better stealth because of their racial. But yes it's perfectly doable with some care.
>>336012520
>Never got the kilt from that Night Elf in game
>Never got the glaive from that Night Elf in game
>ZG wasn't a thing when this promo image was made (on the back of the original retail box).
>>336007472
>They are getting announced once the Legion sub spike dies down
Not going to happen lmao
>>336012764
Night Elves had the equivilent of 1 extra Stealth Level yes. With master of Subtlety maxed they had 6 extra stealth levels, increased further by that one pair of boots that also added a stealth level.
>>336013220
I can't remember if Humans or Nelves were the alliance fotm for PVE rogues, Humans had weapon skill on swords but I think combat daggers was the general hotness back then?
Dwarves were generally on par with Humans PVP wise because of stoneskin.
>>336013412
>not going gnome for escape master
gnomes are the master race
>>336013458
Gnomes are ugly as fuck though. If I'm gonna play something for 1000 hours I don't want to be sickened by their appearance every time I log on.
>>336012320
Lol, the only reason WoW still exists today is because of a very successful marketing campaign (shilling) for WoD. That big spike there from 7.5m to 10m subscribers, that's nothing but the population of a dying mmo hoping for one final shot at glory, but quickly realizing wod is as much shit as cataclysm and mists of pandaria were.
Let wow die Blizzard, it's over. Just focus on Vanilla>TBC>Wotlk on 6 year cycles. Expand the content each cycle, continue the story through single player games, novels, whatever.
>>336013412
Nelves were always the FotM for Alliance rogues. Extra crit, extra stealth level (an undocumented passive of Shadowmeld to make it not useless for Rogues) and being aesthetically pleasing made it easy.
Worst part of being a NE in Vanilla was making your first corpse run from Teldrasil to Darkshore to Menethil Harbor through the Wetlands and Loch Modan, Dun Morough and finally Ironforge to catch the tram to Stormwind just so you could RP in the Lion's Pride Inn and dance naked on the mailbox. That or level with your human buddies.
Trip took the better part of an hour.
>>336013607
This.
>>336011993
dorf paladin for me most likely
I wonder if in Legacy servers they will patch rogues, the most nerfed class in the game
>>336013776
>Worst part
That was a good aspect of the game. Racial segregation of starting and low level lvling zones if you didn't want to dedicate to migrating to another races starting areas.
>>336013776
It built character, just like every horde rogue had to endure the rite of passage to get a deifas mask before level 20.
>>336013220
The talent gave three levels of stealth equivalence
The underlying mechanic was a hidden stealth skill that was checked against a hidden stealth detection skill of the enemy. Shadowmeld increased the stealth skill by +5 points. Each rank of the talent added +3 points
>>336011993
>tfw ret paladin overpopulation
pls no, i want to be unique guys
Night Elves = Undead
Human = Orc
Gnome = Tauren
Dwarf = Troll
In terms of popularity
I never got around to trying nostalrius but what is it free? I don't know how these private servers work. I know WOW is free to download and you can play up to level 20 before they start charging you.
>>336014119
Nost was free
Private servers exist because it's FREE compared to sub wow
>>336014023
never understood gnome popularity, i started playing wow in 2005 ended in 2nd month of cata, and i never even once, even for fun, even from pure curiosity made a gnome character. i think im just too proud.
>>336014119
don't you understand the concept of free?
it literally means free, no charge like WOW official servers
>>336014182
People who mained gnomes grew up to be pewdiepie fans. It is a documented, peer reviewed fact.
>>336001035
There will be a record number of people on the legacy server at launch, then month by month, the numbers will drop until it's a ghost town, especially if there's a separate monthly fee. Launch WoW was an unbalanced mess.
>>336014023
thats their counter races, if you use faction change items like the orb trinket
but human is the most popular alliance race, not night elves
>>336014023This also happens to be the list of "equivalent races" used by the game engine e.g. for determining which race you turn into when you use Orb of Deception
>Make official legacy servers
>Unobtainable transmog models in Legion that you obtain in the legacy servers (Naxx stuff, Scarlet set) gets added to the Legion wardrobe
I would play the shit out of legacy servers for however long to get those juicy transmogs
>>336014197
you can play retail for free
>>336005380
It would be nice if current retail subs got it for free and maybe a legacy only sub for like $5 a month.
>>336014339
>people ninjaing shit left and right to have it added to le wardrobe
pls no
>>336014274
>There will be a record number of people on the legacy server at launch, then month by month, the numbers will drop until it's a ghost town
Ofc the numbers will drop over the months, but it will absolutely not be a ghost town, there'll be a healthy population to justify keeping the servers running.
>vanilla serves with updated character models
also
>tfw no Alterac Valley that lasts for hours, even days
>>336013943
And then they had the honor of getting assraped at level 20 failing their poison quest a dozen times.
Fuck you Zanzil.
So why are the blood elves in the Horde again guys? Never made sense, never will.
>>336014492
>day long AVs
>Korrak the Bloodrager shitting on verybody because both sides fighting each other for it
>turning in flesh to summon Lok and try to break the Ally choke point between Icewing and Stormpike Gy
>Running like hell when they summoned the AoE Moonfire spamming Archdruid
>Sending in batches of Mages spamming Arcane Explosion to break the choke point at the Alliance bridge
I miss it, Anon.
>>336014531
Because Horde players needed an aesthetically pleasing class to play as.
>>336014464
keep dreaming, once people realize there will never be new content and none of the new features, models, etc they will leave, you also forget auction houses were not linked in vanilla and you could not roll both horde and alliance on the same pvp server. good luck with population imbalances
you can already tell by this thread thats exactly what will happen, wanting features from current wow and not wanting to pay the full sub fee
>>336014889
>keep dreaming
Jesus, you're actually serious.
I can't be bothered trying to reason with intellectually inferior people such as yourself, so I'll just have you know that you're wrong.
>>336014813
NO FUN ALLOWED
GO BACK TO YOUR GARRISON
>>336014492
If there are updated character models, I'm out... the new character models are the worst thing Blizzard has ever done to WoW
>>336014531
Because Blizz fucked up by having NE fold into the Alliance.
In WC3 era, Night Elves were basically a third faction , only working with the Humans at Mt. Hyjal to stop a common enemy.
It would have been easier to have Blood Elves remain an "enemy faction" along with Naga and Illidan's demons, and folded the few High Elves left back into the Alliance.
>>336014492
>>vanilla serves with updated character models
I swear I will fucking murder someone if this happens
>b-b-but they are objectively better
Resolution wise? Absolutely. But it would ruin the old-WoW thing
And most importantly: The new models are retarded Dreamworks-styled caricatures with animations that are more over the top retardedly unfunny than Red Alert 3
>b-b-but make it a toggle
Fuck off. That's the worst possible option. MMOs are about letting people be together in a world. A pretty big part of that is letting people be together in the SAME world. Showing people completely different models would be retarded
Not to mention a lot of old gear doesn't work well on the new skeletons. Clipping issues and weird stretching is everywhere
>>336001718
Not a promo pick. One of the original hype pics from vanilla. Long long ago.
DH were considered to be part of the original game.
>>336015068
Agreed.
>>336001035
I lost it at: my dps rotation is 2 buttons.
>>336002610
Vanilla class design was better than current one, at least classes were unique back then...
>>336014023
this is wrong, look at the population data for any private server and youll see humans and undead are the most popular because they look the most like the player
i guess it helps immersion or something
>>336014182
>never understood gnome popularity
Various factors come in.
>their racial being very good, especially for casters
>being little shits, don't forget that people never used tab to target other players in pvp
>appearance clashing, both visual and lorewise, with what people knew from warcraft 3
>gnome warrior
>>336013412
Combat daggers were always worse than combat swords.
Weapon skill was so strong that you were stupid if you didn't go human for pve. Fury warriors would even wear those level 44 mail gloves because they were literally the best dps gloves in the game, despite only having some weapon skill on them.
>>336011213
Made me lol
>>336001801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuOYmqSF6OQ
2/10 Here's your (You)
>>336008471
To be fair ulduar was probably the best raid in existence of WoW, the only one where there were hardmodes done right. Things have started going downhill after that (although the launch raids were total shit, who thought ezmode naxx was a good idea?).
>legacy servers are released
>a few months later they start making fixes to bugs that never got fixed
>a few months after that they start making minor cosmetic and balance fixes
Good or bad?
>some day, they find that golden ratio which makes all classes and specs viable
?>they add transmogrification
?>they add dungeon finder
This would probably ruin it.
>>336016595
>?
>>they add transmogrification
>?
>>they add dungeon finder
this kills the server
what they should do is go from vanilla to wotlk and just re attempt at making expansions since they fucked up so badly
>>336016595
It depends what people want.
Do people want the true vanilla experience with all the bugs and broken specs?
All do they want a refurbished vanilla with all specs viable and bugs fixed, but with no changes that would ruin the community for example, like dungeon finder and cross servers?
>>336016595
>fixing bugs like vanish
Good. But it's a slippery slope
If you can fix technical bugs, it also becomes very attractive to make a balancing pass to fix 90% of all players being human warriors etc.
I think just leaving the game completely untouched is the best thing to do. Even if it means dumb technical bugs. Look what happened to OSRS
>>336016595
Vanilla servers means just that, the exact same bugs and imbalances of vanilla. They wouldn't need to fix anything, because no one wants them to. Would make sense to do it like nost did - starting with the 1.3 shitshow and progressing from there.
>>336016725
MoP was a good expac though, but WoD was dogshit and so will Legion.
The start of Cata was good
>>336016816
it was all shit compared to vanilla desu, wow is all about the server community, and it was killed somewhere in tbc
>>336016935
Yea true, compared to vanilla it wasn't all that.
I just think they tried to make good of all the shit that was already in the game, and I think they did a fairly good step with that, it was in the right direction at least
>>336016816
everything after the dragon soul patch (LFR) has sucked
>where are all the people in stv leveling up
>oh wait people did that 12 years ago, the world is 5 times larger, no wonder there isnt anyone here!
>>336016935
>and it was killed somewhere in tbc
that's your subjective experience. from an objective standpoint, the community was actually killed in middle wotlk, when LFG was released, that was the final strike that killed the community. before that, guilds could die, or servers could die, leaving some players, for example you, with the subjective experience of said community dying.
>>336015068
Inded, making NE joining the Alliance made no sense, lorewise. If the Alliance was Humans/Dwarves/Gnomes and Horde Orcs/Trolls/Tauren it would be sufficient. NE, BE, Forsaken make no sense joining any side. Those races would be better if they were Neutral/Enemy factions.
I always thought that it would be awesome if we had an extra faction at some point of the game, instead of forcing races to join the Alliance or the Horde, as if there can't be a thrid pole of power in Azeroth or Draenor.
>>336016308
>12k nearly comparable to millions
>>336017180
>5 times larger
retail is only twice as big as vanilla, took 5 expansions to match the amount of content vanilla has
>>336001035
>mfw it actually happens
Why are people even against Blizz making more of their game available anyway?
>>336017363
this would be my dream
>>336017217
There is no such thing as an "objective" time of a community dying, apart from the last time a person logs off a server and no one ever logs in again
I agree with other anon that the community deteriorated over TBC. When achievements came out in the WotLK pre-patch you had people going "link achieve" from day one. That wouldn't have happened with the way people acted n classic
>>336017363
Forsaken should be a chaos faction desu, the small story quests in vanilla with the super plague was cool.
>>336017363
>>336015068
>>336015212
I don't see much reason for the night elves to not join the Alliance. They lost their immortality and needed to start taking things seriously now, and they felt like they had things in common with the alliance races they could foster, I'm talking about values and principles here. But it could've of course been fleshed out a bit better.
The blood elves, doesn't make any sense for them to join the Horde. Blood/high elves should've joined the Alliance, together with the Draenei. The Horde should've gotten Goblins and Ogres by that point.
>>336002231
>legacy servers released
>requires the purchase of Legion plus an active subscription
>blizzards face
>>336017776
But by the same logic, the NE could join the Horde just as easily. Ok, maybe not THAT easily, since Grom fucked up and killed their demi-god, but still, a united Kalimdor vs a united Azeroth (if the Forsaken, as ex-humans and free from the Lich king would seek to rejoin their former comrades in the Alliance).
BE would have no reason to join either side, especially since they are (were) allied with Illidan.
>>336018343
wrong pic
>>336017776
I thought Belfs sort of made sense. The horde is full of rejects that the alliance is too good for. They won't accept the true people of Lordaeron and they won't accept magic addicted demon lovers, but they'll accept werewolves who betrayed them and hid behind a wall for an age!
>>336003556
FUCK
>>336018343
>Not needing a sub to play
you're going to need a sub to play legacy on servers if they are ever made. It is retarded to think other wise.
Why are people so retarded?
I .. I don't even know why I bother anymore. Things that are obvious to me seem like things up for discussion for others.
Obviously what's going to happen is Legacy will require active subscription, but not latest expansion purchase, that would cause an outcry.
How many subs do you think Blizzard will get on the announce/release of Vanilla servers? More or less than 500,000?
>>336019571
0. Vanilla WoW is just a meme and nobody actually likes it.
>>336019571
rip
>>336018594
Worgens should of just died at the start of cata.
>>336019685
>no one likes it because I don't like it
>>336019571
The spike will be larger than between MoP and WoD. >>336012320
Many millions, I garantuee.
>>336019721
>should of
kys
>>336019815
Should have there you furry loving faggot
>>336002027
Vanilla is shit compared to the game now
I say this while looking at my 10 year anniversary orc statue.
>>336019571
On announcement/release?
Less than 500k. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional
It could climb from then desu. Nost's cancerous marketing already turned classic wow into a meme. Also keep in mind thatI AIN'T NO GOD DAMNED SON OF A BITCH
>>336019571
Honestly, I'd be very surprised if they broke 50k.
>>336019571
>More or less than 500,000
>Nostalgiafags are this delusional
100k at the very most.
>>336015620
TWO? How the fuck do you even manage that amount of buttons
>>336017545
>Why are people even against Blizz making more of their game available anyway?
basically
>there's a million other private servers out there
>the petition may have a lot of signatures but who knows how many people signed it more than once or how many will actually subscribe if this does happen
>no telling how many subs a legacy server will have, after 2 months time it could be completely dead and only have a few dedicated raiders
>other people could take advantage of this "well I liked [Expansion] why doesn't it get a server? Make a petition!"
>Blizzard will have to take staff off retail and put them on legacy, further detracting from the main game in a time where fans are on the verge of quitting if they haven't already
>the original game code does not exist anymore. All the old data has been replaced and Blizzard even said "“There is no switch to flip on the realms to roll back years of patches and changes"
call me a shill or blizzcuck if you like, but that's the reality of it
>>336002437
This is really all that needs to be said. Vanilla was rough and imperfect but it felt like a GAME. A ROLEPLAYING game. A WORLD.
All of that is gone now and has been since Wrarh.
It's funny that people like to talk about class balance in vanilla but song realize: all the classes were still played. There was not one "nobody play this class" type; Shamans raped in Pvp with twohanders, Druids were still brought to raids, and Paladins were a hugely popular class all throughout Vanilla.
That's because people played what they WANTED to instead of what WoW is today: a lifeless, emotionally-void grind following a spreadsheet that's so tight and streamlined that it lacks any humanity. Any fun.
The obsession of "balance" ruins games.
>>336020354
or they could pay regular wage to the 10 people who managed Nostalrius.
>>336020751
And who is going to bring them up to speed about Battlenet and how that fits into all this?
>>336020751
There's no way blizzard would take in an emulator based server.
And I doubt the Nost team can rewrite the core code of vanilla even if they're given the design docs. Because that's all that's left of the original vanilla code. That and the starting bag, which seems to be hardcoded into every single system blizzard ever made.
>>336020545
>classic
>shadowpriest
>mfw when not only am I melting people's faces left and rght, my very existence also makes it harder for them to find holy priests for their groups
Agree with you and that guy 100% though I've stopped caring about people who can't understand it no matter how you try to tell them. Private servers are doing fine without them, and after Legion launches we're getting official legacy servers. Life's good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyQ-7o397Uk
>spending hours upon hours doing fuck all
Man, vanilla truly was the greatest!
>>336020354
>There is no switch to flip on the realms to roll back years of patches and changes
Yet a half dozen people manage to do it for free in their spare time
You people cant even agree upon what you want in it, so chances are there will be bitching either way. Theres the camp that want 1-1 Vanilla with imbalances, bugs, etc included. Then theres the camp that wants bugfixes, quality of life improvements, and class balancing with the reason being the content itself. Its going to be a mess even attempting it.
>>336021003
>mangos emulation is the same as official wow server
lmao
i dont know anything about programming, but i could set up an albeit shit server
doesnt mean its that simple
>>336021210
This
Luckily a perfectly objective superior solution exists: 1.12.2 at its final state with no changes whatsoever
>>336001801
>joined in late TBC and leveled mostly in early WotLK
>loved Nostalrius
It certainly lacks refinement, but the difficulty in everything makes just leveling feel like an achievement. And the community was swell, if official servers do come around, the servers must be filled to the brim like in Nostalrius - only one or two servers.
>>336021105
welp
>>336021593
But thats exactly what pristine offers, if they also lower the subsequent damage boosts each expansion. Then you have the hardcore crowd who insist that vanilla was special not merely because of its interactions but its content.
>>336021867
>Vanilla
>Content
pick one it. It is group activitys that make it seem like it has more content.
>>336017363
>>336015068
>>336015212
>NE and Forsaken will never be neural factions that are hostile to one another but neutral to everyone else. you will never be able to increase your reputation with both Orgrimmar and Stormwind and befriend/play both sides against one another
feels bad man
>>336006658
Wait for next expansion or lev a alt. beats sitting in garrison Facebook shit. You seem to think that legacy will just entail vanilla if it becomes popular
>>336001035
Is Blizzard a big company or small one?
I really hope Vanilla servers get released can you imagine the nashing of teeth from the hipsters who pretend to have played vanilla without actually every playing it.
Limited debuff slots (better not drop sunder by putting up CoA there fucko)
Ranked spells
Farming soul stones
Magedomination
2 drops per 40 man boss per week
Farming blue resist gear for MC
Every raid being; 1 lock, 22 mages, 14 healers, 3 tanks (two arms warrior tanks and a bear)
stunlocking rogues
3 weeks of farming gold for an epic mount
Running out of quests a 56 and farming mobs for 3 days
Most specs being unplayable messes
45 levels of nothing but white hits on warriors
Priests are no spells wand only marth vs fox
The tears will be glorious
>>336022535
Blizzard isn't even a company. Only Acti-Blizzard.
>>336007226
>still watered down and catered to fucking casuals such as yourself.
Welfare Epics did solve the issue of having to farm every raid in order to get to the next one until you finally reached the latest raid.
Old setup is not broken but it did affect you quite a lot if you wanted to start an alt or took a break from the game.
Wrath did good by not locking content away from the players, by improving the story elements, theme is 10/10. Its biggest downfall was that the community went to complete shit at the time and leveling 1 to 80 was abysmal unless you had heirlooms.
>>336001060
Papa Brack knows best ~ desu <3
>>336006658
>meager amount of content that Vanilla WoW has
>meager
>>336022954
>that one alliance priest in thousand needles with mind controli was that priest
>>336023284
TBC already had ketchup mechanics in the form of badges and ZA
LK introduced the cancerous concept of a quick mindless grind bringing players up to gear with the previous patch
>>336023442
He's not wrong though, people claim the lack of things to do at endgame is a massive issue in modern wow but in vanilla it was literally just MC.
You farmed mats for resist gear/ consumables, ran BRD for maybe a weapon and ran MC
There was nothing else not endgame quests, no dalies no pvp, just mc.
>>336023826
Old Alterac Valley was fun.
>>336022954
That fucking quest in terran mill where the drop rate was off by a factor of 10.
I had to farm the same 10 spiders for two and a half hours.
>>336023568
>That priest that dueled people on ThunderBluff and MC'd them off
>That priest who dueled people on the Zeppelin towers/docks and MC'd people so they missed the zepplin/boat
I wasthe victim ofthat priest.
>>336023284
>Welfare Epics did solve the issue of having to farm every raid in order to get to the next one until you finally reached the latest raid.
That is not an issue in modern WoW. You do not need catchup mechanics when every expansion ends on a year+ long tier. Catchup mechanics serve no purpose except to reduce the amount of relevant content in modern WoW. They're one of the big reasons people don't bother with alts ironically enough.
>>336024110
People love to forget that without catchup mechanics guild treadmilling becomes a massive issue.
No one wants their guild to be a 'kara guild' and most people don't want to have to leave their guild behind to raid the next tier.
>>336019571
>>336019941
I'd say 10 - 30k is a good ballpark, Nost had around 11k on it's PVP server, 5k on the PVE. Now admittedly a lot of those were Chinese farmers, or people who did not want to pay a sub for retail but at the same time there are many, many people who want to play vanilla but won't use private servers for various reasons, be it moral/legal concerns, being too retarded to edit the realm list or just reluctant to sink a significant amount of time into a server that could vanish with no warning.
Now yeah that doesn't seem a lot in the face of millions of subs but the average retail server is only about 5k at high capacity, so that is still between 2 and 6 full servers right there. It won't make Blizz a fuckload of money but it should at least be enough to make a profit after expenses. It will also help keep people subscribed during the inevitable content droughts of retail wow since quite a few people are likely to hop onto a legacy after they're done with hitting their quotas on the main servers. (As a side note the endless weekly caps and daily quest spam is part of the reason I dislike modern wow. By the time I was done with my daily chores I either had no time or no patience to play how I wanted to.)
You kinda have to look at it from a business standpoint instead of a personal one, you know?
Classic realms wouldn't just be limited to, say, the beginning of the game through Wrath of the Lich King, because from a business perspective that wouldn't be fair to people who have enjoyed the game at points in WoW's life beyond that. You also have to cater to the people who would want RP and RPPvP servers. The more expansions we put out the more classic realms would be necessary.
>>336023997
This was the one thing that Nost was thankfully not accurate on. Quest drops actually fucking dropped.
>>336022954
>Every raid being; 1 lock, 22 mages, 14 healers, 3 tanks (two arms warrior tanks and a bear)
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>336022954
>3 weeks of farming gold for an epic mount
Did people really do this? I played a rogue and a lock, I NEVER had money issues.
What class will you make for the official vanilla servers?
>bro tier
shaman, druid, paladin, warlock, hunter
>faggot try hard tier
warrior, priest, mage, rogue
>>336004159
Survival Hunters were a viable spec in vanilla for pve and paired pvp. Your job was to slow and stick fuckers in place and wack them upside the head. Moan and whine all you want but warriors and paladins cursed my name on my server because i made them combat ineffective
>>336026089
>only viable classes are tryhards
kek
>>336026089
Female Dwarf (Dat rarity) Priest.
Also fuck you.
>>336026283
>rogue
>viable
lmao
>>336026089
>I want to be effective at my role tier.
Warrior, Rogue, Priest, Mage, Warlock.
>Better be a healer tier.
Shaman.
>Less DPS than the tank tier.
Hunter, any hybrid DPS spec.
>I only exist as a mana battery or buffbot tier.
Druid, Paladin.
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>skulking around stormwind on my max level rogue, making the entire town look for me
>>336026378
>Implying a naked rogue couldn't kill clothies if they knew what they were doing
HUE
Also dem free kills on Warlocks, god they were shit.
>>336026163
>expecting a raid invite in vanilla without trueshot aura
SV was inferior to MM in every way in vanilla and if you wanted to raid as SV you were a cunt.
Entrapment was fun for pvp though.
>>336026089
>hunter
>bro tier
kekaroonie
>>336026427
>implying paladins weren't the best healers of vanilla and tbc
>>336026378
Rogues are best in 1v1 pvp, and most fights they are the highest damage.
>>336026378
Rogues and warriors were the only viable melee everything else was special snowflake tier.
>>336025809
The lock was taken for health stones, summons and curse of element to buff the mages so you needed two or three max
The only tank was arms warrior although bears were used to cheese a couple of fights here and there and some bosses needed three tanks so you took three.
Mages were the best dps class by a mile, hunters were subpar so the only hunter in the raid was the GM's girlfriend. There were generally 5 rogues but melee dps was frowned upon.
If you were a hybrid class you were a healer not that it mattered because priests were the best healers.
So yeah what's wrong with what I said?
>>336026427
I feel like there was a reason to take 1 shaman of a different spec but I don't remember why.
>>336026750
Enhancement for Windfury for the melee group
Then there was Shadow Priest for mana burning
>>336019571
10 million is a conservative estimate i'd say. launch is going to be a disaster because everyone who liked the old wow is going to come back
after that, it's going to gain new subscriber's approximately at the rate reached in 2006; somewhere around 1,5 million new subs a year. if you add the fact that the gaming industry as a whole has atleast doubled in size, it's going to be 3 million new subs a year
it's going to get pretty fucking crazy to be honest family
>>336026750
Windfury
>legacy servers
>cant even level because of classics fucking retarded shit low respawns plus people clustered up
>quest gives almost no exp so youll be mob grinding on nearly no spawns
>600 hours to level up
no thanks, id rather have 40,000$ in the bank from actually working in real life than being a cuck in game.
>hit 60
>realize 85% of all classes' do 95% of their potential dps by casting ONE fucking spell over and over
yeah ok.
>>336027179
You don't HAVE to play legacy, this isn't a replacement for retail pham.
>>336026163
>the spec with their 31 talent point as Lacerate, an extremely weak, poor scaling melee range bleed
>Speccing Wing Clip spam
>Speccing traps in a pre-trap laucher era
>viable
Please. You were a meme before memes existed.
I say make a portal in caverns of time that sends you to a legacy server. When you leave to go back to current you can keep items you get on the 60 server but cant take any from current to legacy. Essentially it makes a copy of your character, transmog is enabled but has to be items you gain on legacy.
>>336027420
They actually already have a system where they can scale you down to a certain level.
There's still the problem that a level 60 character now is as strong as 15 level 60 characters back then.
>>336026089
Alliance mage desu
>>336026378
Rogues are fucking obnoxious cheap overpowered shits who could kill you in white items at max level. You can hate them all you want but in vanilla they were badass motherfuckers.
>>336014002
Have fun just using seal and judgement and auto attacking for the rest of the time until you get crusader strike at level 40 then you get 3 buttons to press.
>>336027385
Lacerate was removed in 1.7.
>>336027781
>I watched Roguecraft: the post
Nigger any hunter worth a shit would have kited a Rogue into oblivion, and any decent Warrior would have overpowered them into oblivion.
>>336027880
you dont get crusader strike in classic dumbass, and it was 50 for BC.
Do you guys think someone that has never played wow will enjoy it now days? i am considering it to joinsince this board wont stop shilling it.
>>336028020
Roguecraft itself said warriors hard counter rogues, don't be an ass.
The problem was rogue countered almost every other class, even hunters if they got the drop on them.
>>336020985
>spending 90% of your playtime literally doing fuck all
Man, Warlords truly was the greatest!
>>336028069
only if you are a disgustingly casual piece of crap
they have removed pretty much every MMO and RPG aspect and turned it into a very pretty lobby simulator for the current tier raid
>>336001035
>If we could push a button, etc., etc.
You can. Because someone else already fucking did it for you.
The fuck.
>>336028382
even Mark Kern stated that Nost is not coded like a retail server and thus wouldnt integrate with Blizzard's systems properly
>>336018343
This is fine with me. It makes the most sense business wise. Plus, even as a die hard vanilla fan it would be nice to pop onto the Legion servers and dick around for a bit every once in a while. Vice versa for primarily Legion players too. I'm sure they'd love to have a vanilla character they could fuck around on in between raids and class hall(garrison) missions.
The only people who lose in this case are poor people and they deserve to lose.
>>336027385
>y-you were a meme!
Please, rogues were the only meme in vanilla.
>log onto K2
>that fucking general chat
It's painful to think that when we get legacy servers they'll be infested with memeing twitch celeb chasers
>>336028069
Levelling in WoD is nice if you use your boost but endgame is boring as hell and a chore.I was in the same situation.
Does "Legacy" just mean vanilla? Because I would much rather have Wrath or BC. But then if you do that shit, you're fragmenting your playerbase.
>>336031472
Legacy usually means either vanilla, BC or WOTLK. Cata and up are SHIT.
>>336031472
It doesn't really mean anything. It's just a word Blizz(?) adopted to refer to servers running old content
The same way they say classicinstead of vanillaas do I. Calling it vanilla is fucking retarded
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