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The lore train keeps on chugging
>Leonhard is royalty, but which royalty?
>Was Gwynevere the Queen of Lothric?
>Are the angels primordial serpents?
and the questions keep on coming.
>reposting question
What the fuck is "the deep"?
Is it like the dark, but underwater instead in darkness?
I don't understand this concept they've been pushing with 3.
So is the chronological order of games 2 > 1 > 3? And I'm to assume several hundred of not thousand of years take place between each game?
>>335975597
Is this a boss?
Why wasn't Pontiff a lord of Cinder instead of Aldrich?
>Stronger
>Dual wields greatswords
>Can summon a fucking stand
>Makes rings that mindbreak and turn people into monsters
>Isn't just a mindless blob
>Defeated and captured a god
>>335975754
>2>1
Are you dumb? Honest question.
>>335975753
I think there has been some lore lost in translation from the jap version when it comes to the deep.
>>335975753
Several item descriptions talk about some sort of coming age of deep water or some shit. Honestly chills me, I hate deep water and shit. I assume it's some sort of apocalypse where everything is submerged by oceans.
>>335975754
It's 1 > 2 > 3
Chosen Undead was the first to link the fire after Gwyn, so it has to be first.
3 has to be last, because the world is going fucking bananas after the linking of the fire has gone on too long, and we see Gilligan dead and Vendrick spoken of in the Shield of Want.
>>335975780
Looks like it's supposed to be Lorian
>>335975753
Knockoff abyss considering dark gems buff for dark
Deacons were fucking with things they shouldn't be fucking with and passing out the chaos to Thralls to spread faster.
Not that they got very far.
>>335975754
fucking stupid motherfucker ,the order is ! @ # , are you stupid or what?
>>335975754
it's pretty clear that release order and chronological order are the same m8including DeS
>>335975879
deep gems*
So since Soul of Cinder is a combination of everyone who linked the flame.
Maybe one of the unknown lords was a grand archives scholar, Considering he knows how to use Soul Stream.
Also Gwyn's Soul must take up a great part of Soul of Cinder considering he takes full control.
Who is the dead Samurai guy by the bonefire in front of the Grand Archives?
>>335975924
>Including DeS
please stop this fucking shit already.
So, finished the game today. I have so, so many questions. But for me, the ones that's tormenting me the most ore:
>What the fuck is Lord's Blade Ciaran's ring doing in Untended Graves?
>Why the shrine maiden have Artoria's armor to sell?
>Why so many black knights there?
>>335975753
The Deep was basically the coming age without fire, Aldritch's acolytes weren't trying to bring it about, they were preparing for it.
>>335975970
Seath and Aldia's dad confirmed next big bad.
>>335975970
>Maybe one of the unknown lords was a grand archives scholar, Considering he knows how to use Soul Stream.
I think it's just a player build that is centered around magic.
>>335975802
>Pontiff
>Stronger then Aldrich
Nigger no Aldrich ate gods and had no fear in his conviction and would fight the deep head on.
>>335975802
>rings that mindbreak and turn people into monsters
what did I miss?
Reminder that 3 either takes place right after 2 or the timelines have literally converged into some weird amalgamation where everything has happened at once.
And for the retards this is Laddersmith Gilligan from Dark souls 2, you find his dead body at the first bonfire in the Profaned Capital with a broken ladder on the side of the tower. His body is still early in decomposition.
>>335976037
I doubt the lore connected to multiple "Chosen Undead", Since there isnt a single other person out to do the same task as you.
>>335976120
His rings is what makes Vordt and the outriders.
>>335976059
Isn't Aldrich part of the Deep?
>>335976059
Aldrich's fight is piss easy
Its only threatening move is the arrow storm
>>335975754
No it's in the order they came out. The reason some characters stay alive is because undead can never die are basically immortal as long as they have souls to stop them from going completely hollow.
I don't understand how seigward is in DS3 though because he turns hollow in DS1 and his daughter is forced to kill him. Probably fan service.
As for DS2 you can find the ladder builder dead in the profaned capital, and lucatiels armor.
>>335975970
>Also Gwyn's Soul must take up a great part of Soul of Cinder considering he takes full control.
Which makes absolutely no sense because his soul was already almost irrelevant in DaS1, and a ton of time passed.
If his soul were still the dominant one out of every linker, there still wouldn't have been a need to link the flame by the DaS3 times, logically.
Just another fanservice thing they slapped in.
>>335976120
Pontiffs right and left eye rings given to the outrider Knights who were basically exiled
>>335976195
Isn't he undead, though? You kind of have to be to be in Drangleic.
>>335976010
nothe witch of izalith created the chaos flame/bed of chaos which spawned demonsbed of chaos looks very similar to The Old One which also spawns demonsChampion Gundyr's set looks like Old King Doran, item description says it was modeled after a former king
Boletaria is just another continent on Dark Souls planet, accept it.
>>335976228
Siegmeyer was in 1. Siegward is just another Catarina knight
So has anyone used binocular around Kiln of the First Flame to see if there's some buildings that look out of the ordinary on the literal mountain of buildings?
>>335976227
That doesn't mean shit son Aldrich is sleeping when we walk into fight him that is no where near his full power.
>>335976224
He saw visions of it and wants to fight it this is what his soul says I can't wait for deep dlc and more about aldrich
When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea.
He knew the path would be arduous, but he had no fear. He would devour the gods himself.
>>335976228
But Seigward wasn't in DaS1?
>>335976059
Can Aldrich actually do anything that doesn't involve using Gwyndolin as a puppet?
>>335975802
Aldritch was mightier and the Pope is not stupid.
>>335976297
You could argue that but if thousands of years have gone by he would most definitely be hollowed by then.
>>335975753
Aldrich was convinced that the world was going to be consumed by ocean, and he flooded the chamber where you fight him in preparation. That's what the "deep" is in reference to. That's obviously not word-for-word, but that info is in the game.
Yo wrong place to ask likely but what's next after Aldritch?
>>335976210
That's the whole point, actually. With the whole "multiple dimensions" thing explained in DaS1. Every player is the chosen undead of their world (if they finish the game, that is).
>>335976384
Considering the fact he ate and killed gwyndolin what do you think?
>>335976227
Lore wise not Gameplay wise, If yhorm only was gameplay level strong then he was a pathetically weak lord
>>335976384
Considering the fact that Aldrich ramped up to eating deities BEFORE chowing down on Gwyndolin? Yes.
>>335976228
>I don't understand how seigward is in DS3 though because he turns hollow in DS1 and his daughter is forced to kill him. Probably fan service.
That was Siegmeyer, Siegward is another guy.
>>335976329
Fuck right off with your head canon bro , show me PROOF not conjecture .
>>335975995
One of the Black Hand, can't remember the name and too lzy to find his weapons and read it again.
>>335976415
You have to warp to the Manor.
>>335976475
I did with gundy'rs armor description relating to old king doran.
You can also see Drangleic's western peninsula neighboring Boletaria on the map in the intro cutscene in DeS.
>>335976554
>You can also see Drangleic's western peninsula neighboring Boletaria
No you can't.
>Was getting real close to killing Nameless King
>Have to love town for work for a few days
>Getting my ass kicked again
>>335976415
If you haven't killed Yhorm, then go there. Otherwise you're heading toward the grand archive.
>>335975802
Part of the job description is setting yourself on fire, why becoming one yourself when you can use goo you found in the sewer to do it for you
>>335976554
>>335976329
>>335975924
It's time to stop posting
>>335976397
Maybe he REALLY fucking loved ladders.
>>335976554
Those are just callbacks and reused assets (when it comes to the map).
The lore of both DeS and DaS conflict too vastly for them to be connected.
>>335976430
>>335976450
But all those powerful beings he ate were either captured by Sulyvahn (Gwyndolin, possibly Priscilla) or already dead (Nito)
>>335976228
Siegmeyer died in DS1, but Sieglinde, his daughter, lived. Obviously Sieg is some for of family name. Siegward is a different character entirely. He's not acting out of the thrist of adventure, but dutyand his relationship with Yhorm, similar to Anri and Aldrtich.
>>335976195
If andre can live because of blacksmithing this hero can live for ladders
>>335976554
Where does it say Old King Doran in his item desciption? you are some kind of crazy anon , you need to get out more.
>>335976692
Well Andre is implied to be related to Gwyn. Very heavily, also there are still people that would argue he's not even the real Andre in 3 but I'm not even going to state an opinion on that matter.
>>335976475
Explosive bolts were made by Edmond.
>>335976674
Sulyvahn is pontiff of the deep the deep serve aldrich
>>335976747
>Well Andre is implied to be related to Gwyn. Very heavily,
No that's just fucking retarded head canon from dark souls 1
>>335976397
Apparently focus helps you not to go insane, even after you tun into a skelly.
Can somebody eloquently sum up just what exactly the fuck Pontiff was up to and what evil shit he got away with?
I know he gave the dancer the swords and that the rings were given to his best knights who became beasts or something, also that he captured and held an old god captive, so I guess snek trap who he fed to Aldrich, who I guess has eaten other important shit?
>>335975802
Why the fuck would you willingly be a lord of cinder when you can just make some other guy do it and become a deity while yourself the pope of a religion centered around them
>>335976228
Siegward is Siegmeyer's descendant you silly salami. Siegmeyer's daughter kept line a live.
What area is the Profound Capital supposed to be lore wise? In regards to the other games.
>>335976397
Not if one has a purpose like Andre or Anri.
>>335976792
>No that's just fucking retarded head canon from dark souls 1
No, the devs have literally stated his unused plot line was he was the first born. They scrapped that but it's still implied even in Dark Soul 3 he has ties to Royalty.
>>335976674
No they weren't, and Gwyndolin wasn't the only deity Aldrich ate. It's plainly stated that Aldrich ate gods before Sulyvahn locked up Gwyndolin to feed him to him.
>>335976797
Skellysmith was literally insane though.
>>335976329
shitters btfo
>>335976881
Where are the lines in dark souls 3 that heavily implies hes royalty.
>>335975864
>dark souls underwater
im so fucking game for that
>>335976881
yeah and its clear now that the fucking nameless king is the firstborn
just because it was an idea at one point doesnt make it reality
>>335976195
>dead body
he's alive, just playing dead
>>335975754
how could ds1 not be first chronologically?
the prologue makes it pretty fucking clear.
and the ng+ souls from ds2 make it clear that the 4 great souls from ds2 are derived from the 4 great souls from ds1.
>>335976826
Almost definitely Izalith. Far underground, near The Catacombs/Anor Londo, has flame/demon motifs, has a lot of similar architecture, etc.
isn't the "deep" just a mis-translation of the abyss
like come on
>>335976961
>We finally get to play a finished version of The Great Hollow complete with not-rushed Hydras
wew
>>335976628
>being this ass blasted by facts
>>335976445
>If yhorm only was gameplay level strong then he was a pathetically weak lord
Weak to Storm Ruler maybe.
>>335976329
I like this theory. Think From could get away with whisking DeS IP from Sony?
>>335977063
Read the deep gem it's the darkness beyond human ken it's dark evolved beyond the abyss we eldrich now.
>>335976973
Why didn't Nameless King just fly over and kick Gwyns hollow ass?
>>335977103
>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""facts"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>335977063
Yes, literally what else could correlate with dark?
>>335976623
Aldritch ate Gwyndolin and started the church of the deep AFTER having lit himself on fire.
Pontif and the rest of the gang thought he was such a cool dark hero that they all decided to get pounded by his girly dick and formed a religion around him.
This is from Gundyr armor set:
Gundyr, or the Belated Champion, was bested by an unknown warrior. He then became sheath to a coiled sword in the hopes that someday, the first flame would be linked once more.
>>335975753
The Deep is an alternative to the Flame characterized by its blue aura that either has been developed or will be developed in the near future. The Cathedral of the Deep exists to proselytize the belief that the Flame is dying and Undead should prepare for the coming of this new elemental essence likely pioneered by Pontiff Sulyvahn with the help of the arcane writings of Seath the Scaleless, recently disseminated from the Grand Archives of Lothric, and the moon sorcery of Gwyndolin.
It may come to pass that just as the Sun is analogous to Fire in the Dark Souls universe, especially in the ending to Dark Souls 3, the Moon is analogous to Deep, and the eclipse shown in the endgame is as much a literal eclipse of celestial bodies as it is a figurative one of the Fire being eclipsed by the Deep.
>>335977142
He had respect for his father but he walked a different path. He even went back to place sunlight blade on his grave when he went to the klin.
>>335977142
Gywn had Gough on standby with his stupidly good aim.
>>335976674
Why do people think Aldrich ate Nito? I can see the resemblance of his weapon to Nito's, but there's nothing stating it at all. Also, Nito is canonically dead dead. His soul was burnt up in the First Flame, he no longer exists in any form. Even Dark 2's weird reincarnation rubbish had his soul come back as something different.
Nito, as a being, as he was, is canonically gone.
Aldrich could eat Gwyndolin because he's an optional boss. But Witch of Izalith and Nito are canon gone.
Also, it's suggested that Aldrich ate Priscilla, since he gives a brand new miracle related to her, and even uses it n his fight.
So Aldritch is the blob that is eating Gwyndolin right? Aldritch can just control Gwyns body? Where the fuck did Aldritch come from? What the fuck is the deep? Was Aldritch once a normal person but turned into a blob?
>>335977132
>implying the nature of the abyss isn't beyond the understanding of humans
the abyss isnt even mentioned in any other form
why was Aldricht a blob at the start of the game, but had Gwindolin's upper body in his fight? Was that just Gwindolin's severed torso flailing about?
>>335977242
>Nameless king was the one who pulled the prank on gough so he would stop shotting dragons
>>335976621
I see it from Anor Londo... i think. Back to farron's keep?
>>335977173
Pontiff is probably one of the strongest characters in all of dark souls considering he captured Gods for fun just to feed them to Aldrich and keep them on display in his chruch
>>335976014
>What the fuck is Lord's Blade Ciaran's ring doing in Untended Graves?
Go back to the spot where you found Ciaran's ring, and look at the grave in front of it.There is a stone carving of Artoria's sword that implies it's his grave.As for how it got there, who knows. Ciaran was most likely the body behind Artoria's true grave in Darkroot, where you found her ring in DS1. Darkroot was eventually in danger of being overtaken by the Abyss, which inspired Farron's Undead Legion to fight it and take control of the area. They most likely moved Artoria's grave to the Untended Graves, since Dickwraiths, Ghrus, and Abyss fucking shits were moving in, and they didn't want Arty's grave corrupted.
>Why the shrine maiden have Artoria's armor to sell?
See above theory. They probably left his armor with her, or she got it from his grave. OR it's just a reference and has nothing to do with Lore.
>Why the shrine maiden have Artoria's armor to sell?
Since Untended Graves is the original Firelink, Dark Knights probably walked out of the Kiln and started wandering around. remember that the entrance to the Kiln of the First Flame is right under Firelink in DS1.
This is all mostly speculation.
Okay so there has to be SOMETHING about andre right? He isnt hollow because his eyes and flesh is still there, And he doesnt have the dark brand, But he for some god forsaken reason outlives a giant, Lives alongside the making of 7 confirmed Lords, And HAS ACTUALLY visited Anor Londo at some point considering he was friends with their black smith.
Most importantly where did his wrastling moves go.
>>335976961
Are you retarded? What a shit idea.
Why are gods so useless?
>Ludleth, human
>Abyss Watchers, humans
>Aldrich, human, once
>Yhorm, giant
All lords of cinder than linked the flame.
>Lothric, half god
A pussy bitch boy too afraid of fire to do his duty for the flame.
>>335977063
How did the translators manage to correctly translate the japanese to Abyss but then incorrectly translate the japanese to The Deep?
>>335975753
Set up for future DLC.
>>335977287
imagine being so fat you look at rulers and see food
>>335977275
Aldrich dreamed of Priscilla, and that dream is transposed to create the Lifehunt miracle. It's not suggested that he actually ate her at all.
>>335977380
kek
>dark souls 3
>lore
I can't believe I'm saying this but DS2 had deeper and better lore than this game yo
Did we ever actually fight Ornstein?
Was he or Smough an illusion in DaS1?
Was that actually Ornstein in DaS2, or was that whole game just fanfiction?
Is DragonSlayer Armour HIS armor, or were DragonSlayers a sect of Knights?
>>335977314
A drawfriend needs to make that a comic.
>>335977294
Humans can understand the abyss they know it's dark and evil and will corrupt you. Humans can't even understand the deep it is so far gone into the dark they can't even tell what it is. It is past the point of abyss into a stage of something else a new stage of the cycle. Without a doubt one of the dlcs has to be deep based.
>>335977441
He uses the miracle during the fight.
>>335977287
Aldrich was a holy cleric who really liked eating people, his hunger was his strength and he became a blob after becoming a Lord of Cinder.
>>335977369
>he doesnt want to fight underwater creatures and have Giant boss battles with crazy mythical sea monsters
wew lad
>>335977339
But he's such a pushover bitch to fight.
>>335977298
you wake up late just like gundyr , Aldrich was man turned goo because he started to eat people and later God's, when you reach him he had started to chow down on Gwyindolyn but hadn't consume him completely but he had ate most of the trap God and was able to take control of him and his powers.
>>335977373
Lothric wasn't afraid of it. He had the idea that the linking of the fire is a bad thing put in his head by the first scholar of the archives. He doesn't want to link the fire, because he wants to usher in the age of dark.
Also I hope that first scholar is Aldia. If there's one thing they should bring back from Ds2 it's that guy.
So is the promise that Siegward made to Yhorm to "Slay him once he was consumed by the deep/abyss/whatever" or something along those lines? Cause he was given the storm ruler for the reason of killing him obviously.
>>335977507
Yeah, and? The Lifehunt miracle is not the actual Lifehunt Scythe itself.
>>335976641
Not that I entirely believe the DeS/DS Theory; which I enjoy but with all the time fluxes/different realities/fake realities and sun thats BLEEDING BLACK OOZE
I don't think it could be that far off from the mark.
>>335977063
I think the Deep is kind of like the Abyss but dead.
The Abyss is the physical thing that spreads dark, but the Deep is where the Abyss has been previously, the Dark leftover from an Abyss infestation.
>>335977510
So you can kindle the flame and still be a thing? I know Gwen still had a body but all he did was hang out around the flame being mindless
>>335977467
possibly
no
yes
latter
Anybody else thinking Wolnir somehow was an Undead who couldn't go hollow.
The only reason why I think this is important is because it gives closure to Dark Souls 2 and its DLC where you basically can't go Hollow and must spend eternity looking for some sort of cure to the curse/cycle.
Let's say Wolnir was HYPOTHETICALLY like character form Dark Souls 2. He killed a bunch of important people and got their power. Then with the help of his newly crafted crown he can't go Hollow and eventually falls into the Abyss and somehow turns into a giant sentient skeleton. I know it's vague, but there's definitely something there that we're missing. Why? Because we never got proper closure to what happens if you neither link the fire nor become the darklord, as the Lost Crowns DLC implied. Miyazaki wouldn't leave such an important plotpoint die just like that (I hope).
So, are there three firelink shrines? Or how does all that work out.
Main hub, then the one after Champion, and then there one before the kiln.
Which, of the dark ones, is real, I guess
>>335977578
So is aldrich the one who created the great corvian scythes or where did those come from?
>>335977298
That cutscene was Aldrich waking up at the Cathedral of the Deep, after he wakes up he decides to go north towards the Boreal Valley aka Anor Londo and see if there's any gods there to eat, there he finds Gwyndolin.
There's a skip of at least a few years between the intro and the start of the game
>>335977575
Yhorm gave the sword to humans so they'd trust him, so they could put him down if he ever went mad.
He clearly went mad, and the human who received the sword was Siggy.
>>335977593
Maybe the Deep and the Abyss are simply different interpretations of the same thing? Both carry connotations of an impenetrable darkness, or a lack of fire/light.
>>335977479
>a new stage of the cycle
>the deep sea
>described as incomprehensible
>adritch saw it in his dreams
>the first thing devoted to it is a cathedral
the deep is the new section of the cycle that brings about the Great Ones. The Cathedral of the Deep becomes known as the healing church and irythill as Yarnham.
>>335977578
The lifehunt scythe is just a scythe. Her power is the lifehunt, it's her ability, not that of her weapon. She imbues the weapon with that power.
So the Lifehunt miracle is derived from her power, not from the scythe she wields.
>>335977460
please kill yourself and let satan fuck your soul for eternity.
>>335977618
Yes to it being him or yes to DaS2 not being canon?
>>335977125
not a chance in hell
I'm wiling to bet the original intent was a direct link but now they can only elude to it without forking over cash to Sony once they decided on a muliplat release
>>335977689
This is actually what my brother said but I didn't want to put it in the post.
>>335977507
How could he ate her when he's still eating Gwyndolin?
>>335977630
those crowns are COMPLETELY different, literally the only similarity is color.
>>335977298
I'm pretty sure that the timeline is as follows
>Sulyvahn discovers the profaned capital, feeds Aldrich so much that he becomes a lord of Cinder while storing him in the Cathedral, conquers Ithryll and captures Gwyndolin
>Right as the game starts he has Aldrich moved to Ano Londor, and we kill him in his church (That's right next to Aldrich)
>We literally walk in as Aldrich is halfway through eating Gwyndolin
>>335977669
Corvian Scythes look hand-made and are only found in the hands of mutant bird-people. Bird-people were inside the Painted World.
>>335977686
The Deep is to the Dark as Fire is to Chaos.
Deep weapons don't scale, just like Fire weapons. So Deep is a benign form of the Dark. Chaos is a mad, unstoppable source of life and fire, and Abyss is an unstoppable source of death and dark.
Deep is a product of the Abyss.
>>335976195
*its a hologram*
>>335977365
he's not real
>>335977142
The Firstborn betrayed Gwyn by defecting.
The Dragons still lost.
Do you really think he has a chance without all his dragonbros to back him up? Cinder or LIghtning, NK gonna get raped.
>>335977460
For real
>>335977287
Aldritch saved the world by Linking the Fire but became jaded because linking the fire is a stupid ending so he decided he'd bring about the true Marine Biology ending.
>>335976450
The real question would be, are we fighting him in a more vulnerable state since he's in the process of trying to digest a god?
>people legitimately think that the "deep" is something other than just a different name/understanding of the abyss
>people actually think there will be an underwater themed dlc
>people actually think it won't literally just be Londor which will probably just be similar in design to that of dark souls 1 DLC
>>335977049
But the demon ruins have you literally go into izalith, quelanna's pyromancies and all.
>>335977736
It was obviously him.
>Old dragon slayer
>Old Leo Ring
Though what caused him to go the way of Arty is a mystery. Possibly got corrupted on his travels or something.
>>335977684
"Yhorm the Giant once held two of these, but gave one to the humans that doubted him, and left the other to a dear friend before facing his fate as a Lord of Cinder."
The humans that doubted him (Whoever they were) Must've tried to attack yhorm, considering you find their storm ruler inside his throne room.
>>335977935
Deep is a different thing, it has a different infusion. It's closelt related to the Abyss, but it's not the same thing.
What if the Deep is the Aldrich-like form of the Abyss?
The Abyss itself consuming the world and becoming a watery but physical place?
Like how Chaos is demons created by profaned Fires?
>>335977630
>Miyazaki wouldn't leave such an important plotpoint die just like that (I hope).
Miyazaki didn't write that plot.
I bet you at least 20 You's that the DLC covers the Profaned Capital
>>335977607
>So you can kindle the flame and still be a thing?
No because you burn your entire existence to link the fire, the reason why Yhorm, Aldrich and everyone else are there is because the flame brought them back
>>335977764
Gwyndolin sacrificed himself to save Priscilla but Pontiff still probably caught her and fed her to Aldrich beforehand, Gwyndolin seems to have been imprisoned for a long time (Just look at his skeleton-mode arms)
>>335975597
Before the thread becomes shitposting central I'll give my honest opinions.
>Leonhard is royalty, but which royalty?
I don't think it really matters much, the clothing is kind of brand new to the Souls series (more like a nod towards BB) and doesn't betray a potential origin. For all we know he could just be a noble from Lothric itself. What matters is that he became enamoured with Rosaria and decided to keep her all to himself, just like Lautrec.
>Was Gwynevere the Queen of Lothric?
I don't think so, there's not many things pointing towards this, unless we take retarded theory that Gwynevere was somehow related to Seath and Priscilla (meaning she can birth halfbreeds). I think she simply disappeared into history as a Goddess of Fertility.
>Are the angels primordial serpents?
Now this is something I want to see expanded on the DLC, there's some basis for this if we look at the statues scattered around Lothric Castle and the Archives, it's literally the Serpents with Wings. They could have evolved or transformed into "Angel" form as we know for a fact that they (or at least Kaathe) is still being dicks trying to further their goals.
>>335977935
>doubting the absurdity of Japs
>>335977049
Demon Ruins is Izalith.
Profaned Capital was consumed by the Chaos, but Yhorm managed to finally kill the Chaos.
>>335977789
Yeah, so what? Swords are all different, yet serve the same purpose.
>>335977275
>there's nothing stating it at all.
You don't need proof when you have a thousand idiots who do no legwork that will take everybody else at their word.
>>335977951
> Once held two of these
> Gave one to a dear friend
> Siggy has that one, calls Yhorm a friend
> Yhorm kept the other, near his throne
How is that hard to follow
Aldrich
Eldritch
really Miyazaki, you had to be that lazy. We get it, you read Call of Cthulhu once
>>335977593
Nah, that doesn't quite follow. The blue cleric robes pretty clearly indicate that the clerics and evangelizers have an active interest against spreading darkness. They covered their backs in order to accommodate it.
Which kind of begs the question if the Londor pilgrims have a similar mindset since they seem to have a similar goal in weighing down their backs. Has it been confirmed where Londor is yet? Is it actually Ithryll and New Londo? Because that would make some sense.
>>335975753
I guess my interpretation is that while "The Abyss" and "The Dark" are essentially just extensions of the influence of The Dark Soul, The Deep is a coming age of oceans and warped life. Abyssal shit only becomes warped with outside corrupting influences like buttmad Manus or power hungry Kings, but I think The Deep is naturally an all-consuming influence.
Remember that the Cathedral of the Deep was originally meant to seal away the age of Deep Seas and keep the magic and being trapped, but their own influence corrupted everyone there to be agents of the Deep instead.
>>335976641
The hollow lord ending of DS3 can lead straight into Demons.
>>335978117
Shit, I forgot that all swords have a totally different shape and that all crowns are to prevent you from turning into an undead lunatic.
>>335977791
Aldritch became a Lord of Cinder of his own accord and that act is why he decided he'd eat all the Gods and end the age of fire. He goes to Ithryll because that's his home town.
Sully is the Pucci to Aldritch's Dio, nothing more, nothing less.
>>335977915
I like to think that we are in fact fighting Aldrich in a more vulnerable state. I dunno about you guys, but I'm pretty sure that nothing could possibly stand a chance against a literal god eater at full power.
What hope could one Unkindled have against a man transcended with the power to devour the gods themselves?
>>335976271
>Fanservice
more like he was the very first one to link the fire so it would make sense that the very first Lord of Cinder would be dominant in an amalgamation of Lords of Cinder
considering every lord has to recover gwyns soul in order to link the flame basically his soul is in everything
>>335978071
I think it's obvious that Aldrich had previously eaten Priscilla, and that his next target was Yorshka.
But the question is, what is the connection between Priscilla and Yorshka?
Gwyndolin was protecting and hiding Yorshka, he told her that she was his sister, and a daughter of Gwyn, but she's clearly a dragonborn, and has similar features to Priscilla.
>>335978071
Aldritch dream-nth as he devoured the trap god and saw a pale girl in hiding thats how he came up with life hunt scythe spell
dlc 1 will definitely be something abyss/deep/londor related
what will dlc 2 be, however?
So, any porn ofthat feminine prince fuck boy Lothric?
>>335975802
Alritch was a figurehead, whereas Pontiff Sully had all the true power. He just had to keep Aldritch fat and happy and then roll in all of his power and skanky dancers.
>>335977365
He's undead but smithing has kept him sane and from going hollow. Also he's probably been asleep like the unkindled and didn't wake up until the bell tolled.
>>335976329
Yeah no, there is only one god in demons souls, the one who created the old one, and there is no flame there.
The monumentals were alive for centuries and they never noticed any flame or curse of going hollow in the world.
>>335978189
Stop it anon , stop making an ass out of yourself.
>>335978274
sail to either drangleic or boletaria
>>335978128
It literally says he gave away BOTH right there in the storm ruler description.
>>335978212
> Aldritch became a Lord of Cinder of his own accord
Hawkwood literally states the opposite. He was made a lord of Cinder out of might, not virtue, unlike Yhorm.
Who the fuck is Yhorm?
Why is he a giant yet doesn't resemble the Giants from DS2?
Who are the people his ancestors conquered and that afterward chose him to rule over them? Is the Profaned Capital part of Drangleic?
>>335976059
>would fight the deep head on.
Nigga he wanted the deep to come.
>>335978216
We catch Aldrich with his mouth open, yes, but we've killed things bigger and badder than Aldrich before. Soul of Cinder most definitely out-powers Aldrich. Aldrich is just a Lord of Cinder, Soul of Cinder is literally the first flame, manifest through the souls of all lords.
>>335976397
I don't think you understand how much this nigga loved making ladders
>>335978216
>What hope could one Unkindled have against a man transcended with the power to devour the gods themselves?
What hope could one regular undead have against fucking Manus and Nito?
>>335976961
>Shark Shoals: Prepare to Dive Edition
>>335978338
>boletaria
I can't believe that there are people still to this day that think Demon's Souls is placed in the same universe as Dark Souls.
Is Bloodborne in the same universe as well?
>>335978325
in DeS you lose your purpose in soul form and disappear forever, hollowing is just a more extreme version brought on by gwyn and the witches fucking with creating another Old One on accident.
>>335978216
stop talking like this, jesus christ it's like a Youtube comment.
>>335978360
Yhorm is a Dark 1 giant.
He was a knight, or warrior of some sort, he had protected and failed someone in the past, he was buds with Seigward, and eventually he gave himself to snuff out the Profaned Flame when it consumed his home.
>>335978360
he's a half giant
>>335978386
read his soul
When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea.
He knew the path would be arduous, but he had no fear. He would devour the gods himself.
>>335978212
Aldrich was forced to become a lord of Cinder
>>335978451
Yarnham is irithyll during the future, the next part of the cycle is Deep where Great Ones from other dimensions replace the gods and man prospers technologically.
>>335978334
It's so fucking obvious though.
>hollows turning into trees
>giant tree people with holes for faces
>you turn into the lord of hollows after taking the source of all power in the world into yourself
>get a fucking waifu with a face you never see
Come ON.
>>335978221
Not to mention that Gwyn's soul was both a lord soul and the strongest soul offered to the First Flame. Most of Nito's soul went to keeping death chugging along, most of the Witch's soul went to creating chaos and demons, and Manus' soul was offered in tiny pieces as Humanity at bonfires. Gwyn devoted most of his soul to the flame itself, so the flame is largely dominated by him.
So are we just forgetting about Ash Lake?
Is Everlasting Dragon just chilling somewhere, letting people whack it for fun?
I was certain it would be addressed in DaS3.
>>335978414
I like the idea of whole civilizations collapsing, entire lands crumbling into darkness and re-emerging, all while Gilligan is just hunched over in a corner, sweaty and tired, making ladder after shitty ladder.
>>335975597
>caring about lore in a game with no story
>>335978525
I don't think that implies he was fighting the deep, but I also don't think he was directly responsible for it either.
I think it was more about Aldrich becoming powerful so he could embrace and then steer the coming deep. He wanted to command it when it came, rather than be consumed by it.
>>335977834
Chaos is fire from an "artificial" flame, it's not the source of life and fire. Although it is implied that Fire is just as artificial, though much more stable than presumably the Chaos flame of Izalith or the Profaned Flame of the Profaned Capital. It should be noted, however, that Chaos scales (or used to scale) with humanity, so the general scaling effects may be an extension of this property.
All we know about Deep mechanically is that it works off the same stat as Dark, but it's clearly not the same thing for narrative purposes. Just like Chaos, though, Dark scales, whereas Deep does not. This may indicate that Dark is actually Deep corrupted by humanity, much like Chaos is Flame corrupted by humanity. But the implication from Corvus is that it's all artificial anyway, which begs a ton of fucking questions.
>>335978451
Demon's is purgatory
DaS is hell
DaS2 is attempting to climb out of hell
DaS3 is what's left of not-hell
BB is a hallucinogenic nightmare escape after realizing your long ass trek only leads to another hell.
>>335978063
Why did the flame bring them back? Did it also bring Gwen back at the end of Dark Souls 1? Why would the flame try and stop people from linking it
>>335978591
Smouldering lake is ash lake on fire son
Do the weird tentacles sticking out of the deacon's eyes and the lizard iudex creatures have anything to do with aldrich?
>>335978563
epic
>>335977365
I don't know if Andre is real or not. I find it very hard to believe that he'd leave behind his smithing hammer, and I find it suspicious how non-aggressive he is about being attacked.
>>335975802
Piggybacking off of this: as someone who is really new to the series, can I get an explanation for what exactly a "Lord of Cinder" is?
And linking the flame? I understand that the world was dark and run by dragons blah blah blah (also, did people live in this completely dark world? how did they see? how did the dragons see?) and then for whatever reason there was a fire. But that's about all I know and the Wikis are all dogshit when it comes to lore.
I'd really appreciate it if someone could give me a decent explanation. I might have a lot of follow up questions, though. Thanks in advance.
>>335978357
That's not here nor there, he became a lord of Cinder by being an all powerful evil prick who happened to link the fire, but he does it of his own volition and that act is how he glimpses the Deep and starts eating Gods.
Snuffing the Fire ending is canon, right?
If you link the Fire you're just delaying the inevitable. Snuffing the fire, killing it, ends the reign of fire forever. But the lights at the edge of the darkness suggest that a new fire, a new light will someday come, brought by men, not gods. Men will build the next world.
>>335978686
and of ED?
The nigga can't die
>>335978591
>the only things in DaS that totally make sense surviving for a retarded long time are the primordial serpents and everlasting dragon
>neither ever show up again
So what is Londo?
Do we have enough information to make a timeline of the Lords who have linked the fire? Something like:
>Gwyn
>The Chosen Undead
(Countless chosen undeads afterwards)
Also, what are the requisites to become a Lord of Cinder? Until Dark Souls 2 all we knew was that only those with the Darksign could link the fire (Despite Gwyn being a deity who linked it). The Undead Legion is, well, undead. Is Yhorm undead too? Lothric doesn't seem undead enough to me, though. Aldricht is probably not undead either. Ludleth might as well be.
>>335978781
Maybe hes taking a lava bath.
>>335978434
Silver Pendant gave us a fighting chance against Manus, and Nito had been chilling in his coffin for who knows how long.
>>335978404
How long had the Soul of Cinder been sitting there, tending to that tiny little flame though?
>>335977373
Because most of the gods are dead at this point
>>335978234
Aldrich did not eat Priscilla, Miracles are the power of stories, in this case Lifehunt Scythe is the story of his dream about her.
And Yorshka isn't in hiding, she was locked in that tower by Sully, she tells you so herself.
>>335978702
>whole town is run by a cathedral in contact with the deep through dreams
>knights are turning into lanklets and then beasts
>watchdogs of the old lords are in irithyll
just accept it bro
>>335977910
This, one of the item descriptions says that Aldritch gained power by eating his victims and getting more offerings and shit, he linked the fire, but then realized that such a position of power wasn't all it was cracked up to be. By this point he was a blob monster due to his massive bloated appetite. He was jaded and wanted more recognition and power, so he started eating Gods.
>>335976641
I don't really believe dark souls 3 goes into demon souls, if anything. demon souls is the precursor to dark souls 1. for instance dark souls 1 mentions a world of fog, everlasting dragons, and the arch trees.
if demon souls wasn't owned by sony, I fully expect it would be the world before the current world. IE a world that was destroyed by the old one.
>>335978360
A Giant who after beating the living shit out of Chaos and its demon army, the people asked him to rule and protect them so he did.
I guess after being made Lord of Cinder and having hell literally rained down upon his city burning everything away changed his appearance
>>335978081
>Was Gwynevere the Queen of Lothric?
I'll put it this way, if you can accept Faraam being the name of the Nameless King; there's just as much evidence of this being true.
>>335978828
>Also, what are the requisites to become a Lord of Cinder?
Literally nothing. All you need to do is collect the power and then link the fire.
That's what Ludleth is. He's not a mighty king, not some great knight or monster. He's just a man who linked the flame.
>>335978781
ED is hanging out in dragon land, you can pray to him for a ring of double damage.
>>335978782
>primordial serpents
Are mentioned and seen in statues. They are still around pulling some strings.
>>335978943
Wasn't Lorain the one who killed the demon prince though? Did Yhorm just kill fodder?
>Chosen Undead
Hey could you do all this stuff for us, thanks. "lol okay"
>Cursed Undead
>journeys from his homeland in desperate search of the cure for undeath. Trusts Emerald Herald in guiding him to that cure.
>Ashen Undead
Wake up faggot, come do this shit for us.
>>335978618
>>335978414
>>335976397
>>335976195
>tfw Eejits think you're dead when you're just relaxing in your jew lab after a long hard age of ladder making
Downright rude mate
>>335978941
>if demon souls wasn't owned by sony, I fully expect it would be the world before the current world. IE a world that was destroyed by the old one.
Nah, it would have literally been Demon's Souls 2 and the game would have actually had completely different lore/story. Dark Souls 1 is the way it is because they couldn't make it Demons Souls 2.
>>335978752
A lord of cinder is anyone who has linked kiln of the first flame in the past. The flame requires souls to continue burning and linking the flame just means offering it a strong soul as fuel to keep the flame going. Prior to the flame the world wasn't literally dark it was just gray. In fact the concepts of light and darkness didn't exist until the first flame was born. The DS1 intro cinematic shows what the world was like before the first flame. As to why the first flame came into existence that's unknown.
>>335977113
He's basically just Vendrick without Storm Ruler
>>335978863
Soul of Cinder isn't a physical being who has to sit around all day waiting for someone to try and link the flame. Soul of Cinder was a manifestation made to defend the flame and/or test those who wished to link it. It doesn't just sit there watching TV all day, it's created when the fire needs it.
>>335979023
Oh god, this thread has been great. Thanks for the kek, mate.
>>335978752
It's not really explained too well.
It seems to either be the 5 most powerful souls currently in existence or people who have linked the flame.
The flame linking one is kind of weird since Lothric not linking the flame is the entire story of the game. I think it's just the biggest souls since the Abyss Walkers is just one soul constantly jumping from body to body fighting its abyss-infected friends, meaning that it'd likely be growing constantly and I can't see any of the Abyss Watchers having linked the flame
So do we know what the fuck is up with the Undead becoming colossal, wood-like angels circling the archives? It took me a while to realize that the tree-like undead on High Wall eventually became the horrific angel-like creatures.
>>335978943
The Profaned Capital doesn't seem to be completely burned up though, just the occasional piles of bodies burned up.
>>335978782
Isn't the mountain sized dragon in the Archdragogn Peaks an Everlasting Dragon, presumably one from way back when since it got so big.
>>335978142
Yeah I noticed that too. Lazy hack
Also, the "deep" is just another name for the abyss, but there are references to it to make it sound sea-like. The sea is also important in BB since thats what bore Kos.
>>335979008
>I'm biased: the post
>>335979054
Vendrick could one shot you in a game where armor actually mattered.
Yhorm puts me at about 60% health in Painting Guardian set
>>335978752
>universe starts
>man it sure is dark in here
>oh look a cinder (beginning of life)
>cinder gets brighter
>things crawl out and shit begins
>Everything is at its peak
>shit happens
>then everything goes to shit
Lord of Cinder is the person responsible for bearing the burden of keeping the literal fire of life burning.
Fire needs kindling to stay burning, hence burning souls. It's why Gwyn gotburnt out
and why all the subsequent lords did as well.
Quelaag and the chaos sisters tie directly into the beginnings.
>>335976382
That was Siegmeyer.
Different onion, mate
So what happened to Manus and his shards? I thought they were going to be the big threat?
>>335979160
>Armor
>Ever mattering in dark souls
Only to scrubs faggots and this comes from an armor and shieldfag
What is the correlation between Gwynevere, Rosaria, Dancer, and Gertrude?
>>335979059
>It doesn't just sit there watching TV all day
I smell fanart.
Why wasnt aldrich the final boss? He is a fucking devour of gods. They game should have been about stopping him ,but of course fromsoft had ti pander to retards and put a bunch of meme refrences. Basically darks souls 3 greatest dark souls hits
>>335978963
>All you need to do is collect the power and then link the fire.
That's all. Just collect enough power to best multiple gods or godly powerhouses.
You make that sound a bit too easy.
I'm pretty sure that SL 1 runs are not canon and huge amount of power seems to be the only requirement for being a Lord.
>>335979023
>jew lab
>>335977736
DKS2 has been cannon from the beginning. not only that, but if you looked at his armor in 3, it even proves that ornsiten is the old dragon slayer in 2. pretty much shows that ornstien in 1 was an illusion. a very strong illusion, whether fat ass was an illusion, I can't say.
>>335978762
Those men will become the new gods, it's inevitable. It was a man who devoured the Gods. It was a man who leveraged his mastery of fire and sorcery to control said godeater and spread his religion of a flameless existence all the way to the heart of its worship.
>>335979252
>Dancer
Just a fucking pontiff knight who was partners with vordt leader outriders
>>335979054
Yhorm is not Vendrick. Vendrick is the King of Want.
>>335979128
>I enjoy lazy writing: the reply
There's no point in even giving them the titles. "It's supposed to be you!!!" doesn't work in a game reliant on conjecture for solid narrative establishment. It's just boring.
>>335979038
>Prior to the flame the world wasn't literally dark it was just gray.
but when you snuff out the first flame in the end of 3 everything goes pitch black
How many more linkings do you think the world could take?
Because at the point of Dark 3 you're having to burn 5 previous linkers to kickstart the fire. Next cycle how many will you need to burn? What happens when you run out of lords of cinder to burn?
How long until the First Flame demands more power to be linked than exists in the world? And what happens then? The Flame will get to a point where it just can't be linked any more, where it asks to much, and so it will die. Straight up just die, not dim down like at the end of an age of fire, not be ignored and just quietly hold on like in an age of dark. It will literally decay and rot.
And what effect will that have on the world?
>>335979191
No shit, that's what I'm saying dumbass.
>>335979252
Rosaria is a direct descendant of Gwynevere (inb4 retards say it is Gwynevere).
Gertrude is a daughter of the Queen and her handmaiden (who could be Rosaria) or Gertrude herself (who could be Rosaria).
Dancer is just a descendant of the god race (Artorias, Ciaran etc). She has no connection to the others.
>>335979351
No, you dipshit, I mean his boss fight is mechanically similar if you don't use Storm Ruler.
>>335979320
>pretty much shows that ornstien in 1 was an illusion. a very strong illusion,
So he's a very strong illusion that was so strong he literally manifested himself into life?
Ornstein was not an illusion.
>>335979251
What?
So you've never played Souls games? Havel's set while standing immobile and spamming combustion is how I make it through 4kings for SL10 dickwraiths. You factually cannot do that unarmored, or even in Elite Knight set.
Stop posting.
>>335978680
>Why did the flame bring them back?
Because the two gay princes didn't want to link it and decided to run away, that made the flame go "oh shit" and started bringing back everyone else who linked it in a desperate attempt to survive.
>Dit it also bring Gwen back at the end of Dark Souls 1
Gwyn is back as the Soul of Cinder.
>Why would the flame try and stop people from linking it
More like a test to see if you're strong enough to link it properly and as a way to give you the strength of the previous chosen undeads as a "boost" for your kindle.
>>335976195
>Tfw no mention of based Sweet Shalquoir
She was best fucking character in Dark Souls 2
>>335979252
Rosaria and Dancer are descended from Gwynevere. Gwynevere had a ton of god babies which went on to have more of their own. Dancer is one of these descendants.
>>335979386
Thats not putting things back to the way they were, its just switching one extreme for another. Before there wasn't light or dark, now theres either one or the other.
>>335979425
I thought the god race mean gwyn, gwyndolin, and gwynevere and not the gwyns four knights?
>>335979252
Rosaria and Gertrude were Gwynevere's maidens
Dancer is a descendant who got turned into Pontiff's slut
Why did Horace go hollow before Anri if their goal was to kill Aldrich?
>>335979008
Bearer of the Curse is as ambiguous as Slayer of Demons. You could be there to claim the Demon's Souls, you could be there to gain fame, you could be there because you want an adventure, you could be there because you wanted to stop the Demons.
When the game begins, you are nothing but a hollow in rags with amnesia. you don't have a higher sense of duty, just the same you are told to seek the old ones.
All of the MCs in these games are slaves of fate, that seems to be a huge theme here.
>>335979294
>He is a fucking devour of gods.
In the world of Dark Souls that isn't such a big deal.
Like it's a big deal, but the overall powerlevel is so high that it stops being impressive in comparison.
>>335979117
"When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea."
Also, interesting to note, if you look at the walls of Farron Keep from one of the higher areas, you can see the ocean pretty much right outside the walls. Which means Farron Keep is below water level. Darkroot Forest wasn't that low.
Is the "deep" ocean rising?
>>335979320
Has Miyazaki confirmed DaS2 as canon?
Isn't the Dark Souls series technically his own creative concept?
>>335979386
Snuffing out the flame doesn't revert everything back to the age of ancients. The abyss is still there if the flame is snuffed out.
>>335979425
Isn't Gertrude the dead body on top of lothic castle? I mean if shes the only one who has that miracle because of her vision and you get it off a dead body doesn't that imply thats her?
>>335979518
Nigger if your level 10 you shouldn't be getting hit at all it's called dodging you are literally invincible during rolls learn to use it properly.
>>335979304
It is easy, though.
You don't have to have any power of your own to begin with. The lowliest, most pointless hollow can do it if they try hard enough.
>>335976329
Cool theory but isn't the Old One implied to have something to do with the cosmology of Demon's Souls, i.e. it is god or related somehow to the god of the church? That would mess with the Darks Souls intro cinematic.
>>335979394
Doesn't matter, it's cycles, link the fire, don't link the fire. It's irrelevant.
>>335979565
Pretty sure the god race includes the 4 knights (not including Gough). Also Smough could be god race as well.
>>335979569
Because he got stranded in the Smoldering Lake without his waifu which is fucking crazy enough to turn anyone other than the Ashen One hollow
>>335979569
I always felt that his lack of speech with anything but grunts and huffs was evidence he was already super old and already slowly going hollow. Obviously this is the tail end of their journey, and he doesn't quite make it to the end.
>>335979517
It was just a soul in some spare armor.
>>335979565
No they are all gods Anor londo is called city of the gods.
>>335979294
You can be the villain and not be the main problem or be the final boss.
The main problem is the fading fire, Aldritch and his goons are just speeding up the process.
Hell look at DaS. Gwyndolin's the primary villain of that game and he's an optional boss and the true puppet masters, the Serpents, are noncombatants.
Guys, why did vaati have an abrupt stop in his dark souls 3 videos? Is he actually just browsing these threads and stealing ideas? The past three vids have just been random things and not related to a lore walkthrough
>>335979023
>Ending of Dark Souls 90
>The screen fades to darkness after The Emerald Doll in Black of Astora snuffs out the flame for the 800th time
>Silence for a while
>One final line of dialogue before the credits
>"Hey, this ladder's not for sale!"
>>335976826
Eleum Loyce
>>335979569
He fell off the bridge and got stuck so he just gave up.
>>335979627
The fight actually lasts 28 seconds with the method I mention. Just taking the time to dodge would be a lack of efficiency, timewise.
In fact, I'll give you 100$ in paypal right now if you can fight them at SL with no armor without getting hit. No retries, one go, and I'll give you 10 seconds of overlap.
What's your Twitch name?
>>335979664
No it's not. The fire gets harder to link every time. It's entropy.
One day the fire will get so hungry that it's impossible for anyone to link it. One day the fire will want all the souls in the world.
And so the fire will die. An age of Dark doesn't mean a dead fire, it just means the dark takes over for a while. The fire has never actually died before.
>>335979706
Then why does he have the leo ring?
>>335979386
With fire came disparity. The gray was a zero, the fire became a plus, but the dark is a minus.
>>335979796
if you say so.
>>335979679
All the people of Anor Londo are gods.
Smough, Artorias, Velka, Gwyndolin, Ornstein etc.
So what's up with the bells in Dragon Land? Was one of them the bell that woke you up? Does that make dragons guardians of the timeline or something?
>>335979569
nigga didn't have enough willpower, Anri was the one leading the charge against Aldrich.
>>335979821
It was on the armor.
Is Nameless King Ornstein, or someone related to him?
Just wondering the consensus here.
>>335979890
>Was one of them the bell that woke you up
Nah, it was the bell above Firelink Shrine.
>>335979739
In his last video he said that he is waiting for some art commissions to finish.
>>335979023
>>335979089
>>335979319
>>335979740
I want a souls game where you have to take one of his ladders to the kiln of the first flame.
>the game's plot revolves around finding Gilligan because there is no other way to reach the kiln
Questions Dark Souls 3 could have answered:
>What created the First Flame?
>Are humans actually part of the Dark Soul? (As implied by Kaathe)
>Is Manus ACTUALLY the Furtive Pigmy? (Or who was the Pigmy for that matter)
>How does the world look like during an Age of Dark?
>What happened to the Primordial Serpents?
What we got
>A truckload of new waifus
>Everyone's favorite trap eaten alive by a fat blob of tar
>Two incestuous little faggots
>The ultimate paledrake furry
>More ambiguous lore
>Piles upon piles of fanservice
>Literally no conclusion whatsoever, just 4 endings open for interpretation
How big is the planet that Dark Souls takes place on? Are there lots of other civilizations/people?
It seems like there are very few people still alive and like they're all in one place. What's going on with the rest of the world?
What if there are other super powerful people (like Gwyn) but they're just on the other side of the planet doing their own thing?
>>335979980
It's Gwyns first born.
This is absolute fact, this question needs to be laid to rest already.
So is there a Lore guidebook they keep or do they literally leave everything up to speculation that isn't explained?
Because if there's no satisfaction of knowing whether you're right or wrong, these threads are a pretty big waste of time. I'm not shitting on the lore, but ambiguity in video game narratives doesn't really mean much to me since books>>>video games, and if this much time is going to cover video games, the time should be of gameplay, not item description discussions.
>>335979918
>His ring that shows he is one of the four knights of gywn
>Just left it on his armor
That doesn't make sense
>>335979517
then why does his armor description in 3 say otherwise?
"Golden (piece name) associated with Dragonslayer Ornstein, from the age of gods, and imbued with the strength of lightning.
In the dragonless age, this knight, who long guarded the ruined cathedral, left the land in search of their nameless king."
it literrly states right thier that he left anor londo, so tell me how the ornstein, in 1 is the real one if he isn't fucking thier?
>>335979616
since it get's refrenced numerous times in 3? it's fucking confirmed canon anon. the drake blood set,FUGS,Faram set, Mirah sets. ETC.
Dark souls 2 is canon. you can't really debate this.
>>335979980
Nameless King was Ornsteins mentor.
Ornstein later set out to find him and get answers, then lost a duel
>>335979980
He's the first son of Gwyn aka the person everyone thought Solaire was.
NK is the only mother fucker to throw sunlight spears at us.
>>335980046
>Are humans actually part of the Dark Soul? (As implied by Kaathe)
>Is Manus ACTUALLY the Furtive Pigmy? (Or who was the Pigmy for that matter)
Were both of these questions not explicitly answered in Dark Souls 1?
>>335977275
>flame
Is Aldritch what's left of Nitos soul. Reincarnated somehow
>>335979841
Do you understand the concept of entropy? Entropy is the unavoidable loss of energy. When something goes cold it takes more energy to heat it back up, and so you use up all that energy only for it to eventually become cold again.
The First Flame is subject to entropy. I mean, fuck, it only lasted a few thousand years before starting to cool down. And each cycle it presumably needs more power. At first you needed just the souls it gave the world, and those souls were pretty worn out by the time they were used, but by now you need to sacrifice those who linked it. And it needs 5 of them too. Next cycle is it 6? How many lords of cinder are there? 50? 100? After a while you'll run out of lords to burn in the flame. You just won't be able to rekindle it.
Then what? What do you do when the First Flame asks for more power to rekindle than can ever exist in the world?
Why can't we wear Yhorm's armor? What the fuck is this bullshit, From?
>>335979980
Nameless King is Gwyn's first son who wanted to fuck dragons, hence why they destroyed all his statues and struck his name from history.
It mentions in this game that Ornstein left Anor Londo to go searching for Nameless because he's his buddy.
>>335980073
I think they probably just have a very basic idea of what the whole story is and they fill the items descriptions with vague hints peppered with whatever they think sounds cool, which often leads people to much more elaborate explanations than the reality.
>>335980034
Thats bullshit and you know it since he was putting out non stop vids ever since he got access to the early streamer copy and stopped right after crystal sage.
>>335980086
There's no canonical reason for the Stormruler, or the Moonlight Greatsword appearing in every From game.
They just like sharing concepts between titles, but DaS2 doesn't have to be something that actually occurred.
>>335980149
Aldrich was a human, not a god or lord. He was a human and got so powerful by his own efforts.
The only Lord of Cinder who may be carrying an old soul is the Abyss Watchers. The Blood of The Wolf may be derived/descended from the soul of Artorias.
>>335980183
look up the cut content
>>335980274
DaS2 actually occured. You literally find the dead body of >>335976195 and item descriptions directly reference areas in DaS2 by name.
>>335979038
>>335979096
>>335979183
Thanks for the responses. Is it ever explained where the dragons came from? Also, who was the mother of Gwyn's children?
>>335980289
>Abyss watchers worship a failure
those pathetic bastards
>>335980183
It was cut from the game.
>>335980046
>what happened to the primordial serpents
DLC for sure, those arent wyverns or wicker butterflies
>>335980067
>>335980093
>>335980108
>>335980194
I see. Thanks!
>>335975970
>Also Gwyn's Soul must take up a great part of Soul of Cinder considering he takes full control.
It's canonically the biggest soul in the series he gave Seath and the 4Kings half of his soul, gave up his lightning power and set of to burn his soul for who knows how long and still what he has left is bigger than Izalith and Nito soul.
We could argue the Dark soul is just as big or bigger but that was spread around the whorld to create humans while Gwyn had it whole.
>>335980039
>"Bearer of the Curse."
>"Seek Gilligan."
>"For Gilligan will lead you to greater, stronger ladders."
>"You will never reach the Kiln with a ladder so frail and pallid."
>>335978943
They make a point of indicating Chaos Flame stuff and Profaned Flame stuff. It seems to be different. Look at the demon items. They all say Chaos and not Profaned.
It wonder if Vaati uses us for both ideas and a place to spitball his own ideas and whether we'd accept them so he can profit off them.
It's hard to imagine anybody using this place for that but the fanbase for Dark Souls is so dedicated here that someone can actually find worthwhile content - profiting by documenting our ideas.
>>335980371
Doesn't Miyazaki have creative control, why would he want or allow it to be canon?
>>335980153
First of all, if you are going to apply real physics and logic to the souls universe we are going to be here all day.
Secondly, the only reason the lords of cinder were awakened was because Lothric refused to link the fire, the fire is almost fading and now you need more than usual to link it again. That doesn't change the fact that when the fire fades it just comes back again.
I understand what entropy is, but the first flame is fucking magic that came out of nowhere and just manifested in the world, and it's a flame that feeds on souls and humanity. So i don't think you can apply something like entropy to it, especially when we know for a fact that even if it fades completely it just comes back on it's own.
>>335980391
>mini dancer just standing there
what are these cut concepts
>>335980078
He needed to secure the illusion before going off on his own quest.
>>335980426
>It wonder if Vaati uses us for both ideas and a place to spitball his own ideas and whether we'd accept them so he can profit off them.
He literally steals all of his ideas from chan and reddit.
His BB lore video was directly stolen from a huge essay someone wrote and took all credit and profited from it.
>all this cut content
I-It's finna be in the DLC right?
>>335980073
>Because if there's no satisfaction of knowing whether you're right or wrong, these threads are a pretty big waste of time.
Building theories and exchanging ideas and arguing using evidence provided is what makes this shit fun.
Having answers out there in plainly given out would kill all discussions.
>>335980406
>eventually someone kills Gilligan and you have to kill the 4 great ones that are holding his limbs to bring him back
Why wasn't the kingdom in the background of the kiln like it was in the trailer? All smoldering and more apocalyptic looking
I hope they bring the primordial serpents back in the DLC.
>>335980494
>why would he want or allow it to be canon?
Because he's got class and isn't going to disregard the work of the DaS2 team who put blood and tears into salvaging the game (and saved it from being a far worse piece of shit than it could have been).
>>335980373
>Is it ever explained where the dragons came from
Nope. They were just there, doing nothing forever.
>>335980046
>What created the First Flame?
Nothing did, God did, it doesn't matter it's just a metaphor for life being introudced.
>Are humans actually part of the Dark Soul? (As implied by Kaathe)
Yes, this has never been in question
>Is Manus ACTUALLY the Furtive Pigmy? (Or who was the Pigmy for that matter)
Manus is a primordial man, now whether he's the very first man (the pigmy) or one of the earliest descendants is irrelevant, Manus is the first one who tapped into the power of the Dark Soul and fathered the Abyss.
>How does the world look like during an Age of Dark?
Isn't this directly addressed in DaS 3?
>What happened to the Primordial Serpents?
They continue manipulating mankind from behind the scenes.
>>335980494
You all seem to be under the delusion that Miyazaki hates DS2 and the license was stolen from him and now he has finally wrested it from the hands of the evil usurper.
He let the "b-team" create it and, regardless of how he may personally feel about it, he acknowledges a lot of hard work went into it and it's a canon entry in the series. Simple as that.
>>335980373
Dragons are a fantasy staple, that's about all the explanation for them there is.
And we don't know.
FS didn't bother with making her a character for whatever reason.
>>335980391
>>335980510
and these statues are in the high wall
the serpents are the "angels". Serpents are the big bad. They are literally jews, look at their noses and how scummy they are. Serpents scared Gwyn into linking the first flame because they made him think the age of dark was a bad thing.
>>335980381
They were pretty good at following his footsteps.
>>335978234
I heard speculation that Ocellotte (not sure if spelling correctly) was Oceriros' son. He was taken by Gwyndolin and was turned into Yhorska (sp) by trap magic. To what end, i am not sure
>>335980510
That's one of the Pontiff Knights.
>>335980568
They will probably throw it in somewhere, if i recall thats what happened with some dark souls 2 stuff. it will probably be on a random body or maybe (for some of the cut boss weapons) used for a seperate boss
>>335980569
I understanding that, but the point of theories is to assert them as tangible, empirical concepts. And if the discussion alone is what you crave, there's a lot of books and films that have much more to discuss and speculate than Souls.
I just don't think lore discussion of this calibur is better than just playing the game.
>>335980397
No, you're wrong.
First Gwyn gave parts of his soul to his knights, so they could fight the dragons.
Then he gave more parts of his soul to his people, so they might become gods.
THEN he gave Seath a big chunk of his soul as a reward for his help against the dragons.
THEN he gave another big chunk of his soul to the Four Kings as acknowledgement of their efforts to build a worthy kingdom of man.
And then, AND THEN, he burnt up the remaining 99% of his soul to relight the First Flame, becoming the first Lord of Cinder.
And the soul he drops is STILL the most powerful soul in the series.
Gwyn's soul was fucking OP. It really seems unfair that he got such a good one.
I guess the other three souls may have been equal once, but just burnt up faster. Nito's soul was used to sustain death, Witche's soul was used to birth pyromancy, and eventually mutated into Chaos, Pygmy's soul was split up into even tinier shars than Gwyn's and given to his fellow hollows to create humanity. But for some reason Gwyn's remained so powerful while the others just whittled away.
>>335980708
Well it's pretty easy to live up to failure anon I speak from experience.
>>335980391
Dafuq is this? Link me senpai
>>335980635
>>335980691
When asked if DaS3 had Soul Memory he didn't even know what they were talking about.
I'm pretty sure he tries to reject the game's existence as much as possible.
>>335980505
>First of all, if you are going to apply real physics and logic to the souls universe we are going to be here all day.
I'm fairly certain that Miyazaki has stated that the concept of entropy and decay is the main theme of the series, mate.
>>335980274
clearly you need to learn to read anon, the items discipitions mention dark souls 2 places and events
it's canon anon, it's as canon as dark souls 1 is at this point.
>>335980494
becuese without it dark souls 3 plot falls on it's face? if you actually understand anything about dark souls 3's plot you would realize it leans heavily on what dark souls 2 showed us.
>>335980691
>>335980635
and as these anons stated. he isn't just going to make an entire game not canon. it's one of the most monumental retarded things he could do.
>>335980709
>I heard speculation that Ocellotte (not sure if spelling correctly) was Oceriros' son.
Well that's not speculation that's absolute fact.
>He was taken by Gwyndolin and was turned into Yhorska (sp) by trap magic. To what end, i am not sure
Now that's wild (and bullshit) speculation.
>>335978451
>Is Bloodborne in the same universe as well?
Bloodborne is the world during the age of the deep sea.
>>335980073
>>335980259
>>335980569
For me half the fun is just trying to figure out the rules of the realm. And with such uncertainty in those rules, there's a large scope of possibility for the truth.
>>335980639
That sucks. Another thing: hypothetically speaking, could a Dragon's soul be used to link the flame?
How powerful would that soul be? Also, just how many dragons were there?
>>335980051
>Are there lots of other civilizations/people?
Carim, Londor, Catarina, Carim, Astora, Oolacile, Ithryll, Lothric (Formerly Lodran), the great swamp, Vinheim, are all civilizations/cultures mentioned in Dark souls. Drangleic from DaS2 seems to be on a seperate continent or at least seperated by a large ocean and includes several kingdoms/civilizations of its own. Of the above mentioned civilizations Vinheim, Catarina, Londor, and the great swamp seem to be the only civilizations still left in tact by the time DaS3 roles around. Londor has embraced the curse, Vinheim exiles all undead, Catarina and the great swamp seem to be able to exist in spite of the curse. I'm sure I've forgotten some.
>>335980086
Because it wasn't Ornstein in 3?
He probably eventually got absorbed by the abyss.
And left everything else behind, or is some unconscious manifestation of his unwavering devotion.
Who fucking knows.
>>335980762
its just early screenshots from the Dark Souls 3 "leak" last year before E3
>>335980795
>He doesn't know every mechanic and every facet of a game he never even worked on, he must hate it!
Just stop.
>>335980795
That was him acknowledging that soul memory was a horrible idea.
>I'm pretty sure he tries to reject the game's existence as much as possible.
Clearly not because 3 constantly references it.
>Tfw no mention of best character from 2
>>335980510
>>335980391
>>335980706
So, the snakes are just trying to use humanity to become real dragons, i get it now.
>inb4 it's another cycle
>fire>dark>fire>dark to infinitum until it goes grey again
>>335980051
the idea is that whenever the dark souls games occur the age of men is coming to a close, great empires are falling due to factors usually including the undead curse and great swathes of the populace going hollow.
Having actually friendly npcs around you could talk to goes against darks souls creedo of avoiding explaining the plot, because there isnt any.
>>335980795
If you asked him about resistance he probably would have no idea what you're talking about either.
Why do the games have to assume the chosen undead linked the fire, isn't that a copout?
>>335980798
Then he should've kept the whole cycle shit out of it. Because as far as i know, entropy and cycles don't mix.
>>335980851
Dragons didn't have souls, even Seath had to be given part of Gwyn's, and we dont know how many there were only that Gwyn and his knights killed nearly all of them.
>>335980916
Check the cat ring anon.
>>335980582
>The game ends with a choice in front of Gilligan's gathered body parts
>Option one is to revive Gilligan, allowing the cycle of ladder creation to go on
>Option two is to let Gilligan stay dead, spinning the ladder-smithing business into an age of darkness.
>>335980586
Silly anon, that's going to be
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>>335980992
Because if you didn't someone else would
>>335979980
He's the firstborn, Andre.
>>335980804
I wouldn't be able to respond to a post if I didn't know how to read, please do not use hyperbole while constructing a response.
You, however, seem to lack a sufficient level of reading comprehension.
He's the creative director of the series, and President of From Software. He could've easily constructed a lore that followed only Dark Souls 1.
My point is that he had no reason to not ignore Dark Souls 2 during the writing of Dark Souls 3.
There's no narrative quality of Dark Souls 2 worth salvaging.
Just look at the COD series. Ghosts and Advanced Warfare have no ties to not only each other, but none to the Modern Warfare or Black Ops subseries.
>>335980873
95% of any dark souls lore, or hell souls series lore. comes from armor/ weapon discriptions. it's his armor. accept it. that was him in dark souls 2. a wandering ornstein in search of the nameless king.
>>335980851
Dragon God is about the most powerful.
They weren't really much in DaS, probably Kalameet but he got outskilled by a blindman and walking corpse swinging a sword.
And a lot.
Important ones in DaS were Seath and Kally.
DaS2 had Ancient Dragon and that whole place before it, but that's it.
And like the other anon said, Gwyn and his Lightning army killed off most of them.
>>335980992
Even if you decided not to someone else would just come along and do it because SOMEONE left the door to the Kiln open.
>>335980893
Soul memory was one of the most fundamental aspects of Dark Souls 2.
You literally had to know about it just to progress through to the 2nd half of the game, jesus christ stop defending Dark Souls 2.
>>335980371
>>335980494
>>335980635
>>335980804
>>335980795
Is Miyazaki even in charge of the story and lore? Maybe he doesn't even care.
>>335980709
I think that's the most sound theory.
Gwynevere was the king's wife, but for some reason they couldn't conceive the 'right' child, despite her being a goddess of fertility. I guess Oceiros had some fucking useless junk down there.
So when they can't have children Oceiros uses his knowledge of magic to make unholy monster children, Lothric and Lorian. Maybe Gwynevere knew of this, maybe not.
Eventually, though, they had a real child, Ocelotte. However, by this time Oceiros was largely consumed by his obsession with magic and the worship of Seath, and so Ocelotte was born malformed by Oceiros' dragon power.
Gwynevere was outraged when she learned this, and so spirited her child away from her mad husband. She gave Ocelotte to Gwyndolin to protect, as she knew the world was dangerous, and possibly even knew that Aldrich would one day awaken and go on the prowl for gods to eat. Gwyndolin raised Ocelotte as his sibling, not child. He told him tales of Gwyn, and Gwynevere, all the while having him believe that she was Gwynevere's sibling rather than child. Gwyndolin even went so far as to fashion him an identical ring to his, to disguise him as a female.
And so we have Yorshka.
>>335978959
Why would Faraam be the Nameless King? Just because he's a God of War?
Think of it from a timeline point of view. By the time of the events of Dark Souls 2 (When Forossa is a thing and the Faraam Armor comes into existance), nobody really remembers Anor Londo and the First Age of Fire, it's all whispers and rumors; so, if no one can remember Gwyn, arguable the most important deity in the Pantheon, why would they remember the name of someone who THE GODS THEMSELVES actively tried to erase from history (to the point of removing and smashing whatever statue existed of him) because of his treason?
The only real remnants of The Nameless King is the Sunlight Altar, and you can't really make anything out of it other than he wore sandals and used a spear.
>>335976271
It does, Gwyn was the first to even link the fire twice. He brought the age of fire and kept it up.
>>335980925
I'm guessing this idea got scrapped and instead we got the flying nervous systems for some reason.
I still want to see the the serpents in the DLC though. I'm really intrigued as to what their nature is and where they are now. Also, bring back Aldia pls.
>>335981139
You're a fucking faggot.
I literally said it was him in 2 here:>>335977948
Stop getting your replies mixed up.
>>335979518
>he never did a sl1 run
>he never got gud
>thinks you can't roll out of any and every attack
Git gud.
>>335981004
Why not? The world can work in cycles, but because of the entropic nature of the First Flame each time a cycle ends it becomes harder to start the next one.
>>335981093
>There's no narrative quality of Dark Souls 2 worth salvaging.
Well, Miayazaki seems to disagree with you so your opinion is irrelevant.
>>335980795
>>335980635
>>335980494
Alva fucking invades you for Christ sake you fucking faggot kill yourself
>>335980706
Serpents also manipulated Gwyndolin into creating the scenario to trick the Chosen Undead into linking the fire
>Inb4 team Frampt tricked Lotheric royal family into Eugenics plot for linking the fire and team Kaathe tricked the twins into running away from their destiny all the while masquerading as angels
>probably whispered into Aldritch's dreams the visions of the Deep that make him God slaying
>>335981305
The middle post you quoted was me and I was supporting that DaS2 is canon retard.
Who is that skellyman with the hat in the crypt?
Tfw Aldrich was what Nashandra should've been.
Tfw Archdrake peak was what Dragon Shrine/Aerie should've been.
Tfw Yhorm was what Giant Lord should've been. Same for Oceiros and Vendrick
Did Dark Souls 2 do anything right? Was there anything good about that game?
>>335981305
Alva, Creighton, and the drakeblood knights
>>335978545
I never got the impression that he was forced to become one, just that he was chosen to be one. Sort of like how prince Lothric was chosen before I think there might have been a process in selecting who would become a lord of cinder.
>>335981093
and what? the story in 3 would have made zero since with all of the knowrldge we learned in dark souls 2 about the cycle, it would be like seeing the Earth as round, and then decideding" uou know what! it's flat!" it makes zero actual sense.
also lol the narritave quality of Dark souls 2 DLC is easily 10x better than the original dark souls 1.
and since dark souls 2 is mentioned numerous times, it's canon. and Miayzaki considers it canon.
as this anon said>>335981294
>>335981359
King Nigger Skeleton.
>>335981294
He only did it to appease faggots like you who defend the worst ARPG released in the last 10 years.
>>335981224
Maybe that's the snake's nervous systems? They're just missing muscles and bones and ligaments and organs and so on and so forth and they'll become dragons.
Think about it, maybe what the pilgrims have on their backs are like serpent eggs or something and they slowly take over a hollow's body.
>>335981417
And Gilligan is in the game. And several items relate to or mention Dark Souls 2 and areas by name. If Dark Souls 2 isn't canon they're doing a really bad job of conveying that.
>>335981397
Vendrick as a character is about the only good thing about the game.
It had some little things here and there that were nice, and a few big things like the plot revolving around the children of dark and the fight against the curse.
But overall, all the good stuff was swamped and suffocated by all the shitty stuff.
>>335981093
>There's no narrative quality of Dark Souls 2 worth salvaging.
Have you considered that that's just your opinion?
>>335977294
The abyss is a metaphor for the self or the ego, it is the birthplace of humanity and born from the pygmy, primordial mab, Manus
>>335981497
Fascinating anon, you really are a mind reader. What am i thinking right now?
>>335981359
they added him So skeletonfags would shut up
>>335981397
>Implying Yhorm was anything but fucking trash
>>335981482
If anything Pontiff chose to make him into one so he could become more powerful via association
>>335981397
>Did Dark Souls 2 do anything right?
Freja and the torch dynamic.
I liked the Gutter's concept.
Atlantis DLC
Fishermans wharf was neat
Fumey.
>>335980391
Aren't those the dragons that the Dragonslayer Armor used in his fight?
What actually happened to Gwynevere?
Did she go somewhere?
Did she die?
>>335981492
Jesus Christ anon, I'll make it easy for you.
Everything about Dark Souls 2, he'd ignore.
He'd then construct Dark Souls 3 to expand upon only Dark Souls 1.
I'm saying that PRIOR to Dark Souls 3's writing, he'd just elaborate on DaS1; exploring Astora or Cariem, or Ash Lake, or any other tangent. There's no reason that before the game began technical development he couldn't do those things.
>>335981498
Are you implying the Pilgrim Butterflies are actually the little clerics? I hadn't thought about it before.
>>335981503
And the most interesting Lore stuff in the game is related in 2, (Ocelotte, Londor, the pilgrims)
>people still arguing about dark souls 2 being canon
>there's a dead giant outside of firelink
>>335977063
im sure they verify shit like this by this point
>>335981619
>Freja
>>335975970
>Gwyns Soul
>Not his son, Solaire
>>335981657
Bitch went back to Chad Flann after realizing that Lothric was fucking doomed
>>335981698
Dark 2 is only technically canon.
It happened, but we can safely ignore it because it had no impact at all on the world.
>>335981673
That's exactly what i'm implying, i thought that was the "concensus" the lore scientists had reached.
If anything, they're both called Pilgrims, and the description on the archives's key says that the castle reeks of human stench or something so they had to close their doors.
I dunno.
>>335981657
She just whored around, basically
>>335981397
>Did Dark Souls 2 do anything right?
It had some of the best armor designs in the series. Sallet all day son.
Vendrick as a character and as a fight.
The DLC is far, far better than the main game and is some of the best Souls content.
Added two additional ring slots.
Made archery viable.
The characters were memorable and their quests were rewarding and fun. The blacksmith and his daughter, or your friendly cat merchant come to mind.
Fumey.The hub being a village that you slowly populate as you meet characters and accomplish tasks.
>>335975864
what if the age of the deep comes, and as a result we get a windwaker-esque souls game where instead of warping around to places, you ride a boat to them instead
>>335981619
You could stand next to the inner legs and just whack her head, it was such a boring fight.
The Gutter was a less intricate blighttown.
Shulva is nothing like Atlantis.
Bloodborne did Fisherman's 10x better.
Fume Knight was no different from every other big boss with big sword.
>>335981624
Thats what i thought at first, but those arent dragons. They are called pilgrim butterflies if you read the dragonslayer soul.
>>335981574
Obviously meant man, I am tired
>>335981664
But he clearly didn't want to do that. Otherwise he would've done it.
Put two and two together, anon. You can do it.
>>335981794
>Had no impact in the world
>Alva invades you
>Creinton is the canon murderer
>Gilligan letting you reach the profamed captain bonfire
Thats somethings
>>335980731
I don't think creating the Silver Knights counted as making giving part of his soul and where was it stated he gave chuck of his soul to other to be came gods?
It seemed he only did for those he had respect or where close, other god might just got a good soul out of the first flame. He did give a some of is to the four knights.
>>335981717
Her whole place was meant for you to use your torch.
From just forgot to expand on the gimmick.
And her fight was great.
>sacrifice shield for torch
>but keep the babies at bay
How/why was Gwyn so powerful?
Also, why does he look just like a slightly larger human? When the term "god" is used to describe them, do they mean actual reality warping all powerful creatures or just "a bit more powerful than humans"?
>>335981794
>implying Miyazaki didn't wholeheartedly rip off the concept of the DLC kings for the lords of cinder
>>335981397
Dark Souls 2 was like a pile of disconnected good ideas that never managed to coalesce into one entity.
I dislike Dark 2 because the gameplay is so unpleasant. The basic character control is just uncomfortable and annoying, so any of the good aspects of the game are really wasted, in my eyes.
>played DeS and Dark
>just finished Bloodborne
>Scholar is 15$ on PS4 at a local gameshop
Should I just skip it and get DaS3? From what I've heard, even being a supposedly enhanced edition it's still a 4/10 at best. I've seen it compared to Fable 3 in terms of relation to their respective series and I don't want that.
Get DaS3 and the Season pass, or DaS3 and Scholar and look up a speed run playthrough?
>>335981909
>I don't think creating the Silver Knights counted as making giving part of his soul and where was it stated he gave chuck of his soul to other to be came gods?
How did they become sentient then?
>>335981926
You were supposed to use the Torch? I never used the Torch there because everything is plenty bright enough.
>>335981834
You can ankle-bite most Souls enemies so that's hardly a point for just her.
The Gutter and Blightown were two very different things.
It was a bad joke.
and he was.
>>335981926
>Torch keeps the spiders away
Was this added in scholor or always there> I just ran in and cut off her head
So what the fuck were those giant black dog-demons anyway?
Gundyr was infected by one, as well as a few weaker hollows, and even two god damn dragons.
What WERE they?!
Why didn't Lothric link the flame?
So what the fuck was Carthus?
When I first read Wolnir's Crown description I thought it was referencing the crown dlc but it's not
>>335981852
How do you know what he wanted to do?
he's the President of the company, he had to make the decision that would net the most profit, which would mean appealing to actual fans of the series and Xbox losers who got into it at 2.
Doesn't mean he wanted to do it.
>>335981926
It may have been interesting to use the torch on the spiders, but nobody knew about that because we all fucking forgot the torch existed.
Also, Brightstone Cove Tseldora is probably the most disgusting, ugly place in any video game I've ever played. Anyone have that screencap from the tents area showing the gigantic cliff face of repeating textures?
>>335981963
just look the DS1 intro and change Gwyn for Zeus and dragons for Titans
>>335982104
He was a real nigga and said fuck this shit fuck you fate. Kinda like the two fags from magi if you ever read that.
>>335981963
Because he got the biggest and baddest Lord Soul.
Gwyn and co are considered gods because literally no one was more powerful than them at their prime, for the average person who can't even hold a sword, they might as well be considered gods.
I know time is convoluted but why does gwyndolin have perfect skin yet, gwyn's firstborn is a fucking hollowed mess?
I keep having frame rate issues. Won't let me play online. I tried overclocking and it didn't work.
>>335982134
Literally this.
>>335982014
>it's still a 4/10 at best
Nah that's not true. It's still worth playing, it's just a step down from all the rest. Maybe a 6 or 7 /10
>>335981963
>How/why was Gwyn so powerful?
All the lord souls are very powerful it just isn't apparent due to the way they were used. Gwyn hogged most of the light soul for himself so even after it was mostly burnt up it was still very powerful.
>Also, why does he look just like a slightly larger human?
Hollows and the 'gods' were originally the same beings, however they varied in height a little bit. Since humans are the creation of the furtive PYGMY, they are on the short side.
>When the term "god" is used to describe them, do they mean actual reality warping all powerful creatures or just "a bit more powerful than humans"?
In dark souls the pantheon of gods Gwyn creates are just hollows with large chunks of the light soul.
>>335981397
PvP.
>>335981963
Gwyn was so powerful because hes the one who found the Lord Soul and took the lion's share for himself. Gods seem like they were just larger and much more powerful humans.
>>335982014
Don't give Dark Souls 2 your money, don't justify them acknowledging the worst sequel since Duke Nukem Forever.
>>335981963
Because the filthy jew took the biggest soul from the first flame.
I don't think the "gods" were actual gods in any way shape or form either, i think they were just normal people who lucked out and grabbed the souls that mattered from the first flame, thus become insanely powerful. So they were "gods" because of their power, but in reality they were just like the hollows and player character, just with a billion points on every stat.
At least, that's always been my interpretation, if you look at Gwyn when you fight him in the Kiln and at the Nameless King in 3, they both look hollowed and that's a human thing.
Look at this nigga, if he wasn't human he'd still be handsome.
>>335982019
Yes.
The torch was 2's whole gimmick as I said.
>>335982073
I'm not sure, never got around to playing vanilla.
>>335982131
>I don't like it
>a From game is graphically ugly
solid arguments
>>335981963
Gods in this are like Greek gods.
They're phyiscal beings that are far more powerful than men but can still be killed. Might be less powerful than Greek Gods though because they seem to have complete power over their respective area of nature.
Gods in Dark Souls just draw power from their area of nature, they don't have complete control over it.
>>335982182
What GPU do you have? Because I had the same problem, but I rolled back my drivers pretty far back and it fixed it.
>>335982117
Carthus was a place. A desert land with pyromancers. It crumbled and all that was left was the catacombs.
>>335981963
"God" doesn't mean "Christian God". Most religions have one, powerful god, but also doxens of smaller ones. Not all gods are omnipotent creator gods.
Gods in Dark Souls are a race. The people of Anor Londo, who we created by Gwyn, are known as gods. Humans worship them as well.
>>335979569
My guess is that he got lost, ran ahead, and was knocked off the bridge into the lake below. There he either died and lost all his souls, or gave up to become hollow.
>>335982173
Speaking of the Nameless King, where was he during all this time?
>>335981978
confirmed hack
>>335981664
and what I'm trying to tell you is that it just wouldn't work. for instance every dark souls game revolves around linking the fire, or letting it die. prior to dark souls 2, we didn't know what are actual choice did. dark souls 2 showed us, which is why it is canon. dark souls 3 makes zero fucking sense with out it. with out 2, the entire plot of 3 makes zero sense. Dark souls 1 is the body of the car it's easy to see, but is mostly a cosmetic item, dark souls 2 is the engine, and transmission without it the car cannot run.
>>335981978
I mean look at the firekeepers crown thingy it's extremely similar to the crowns from dark souls 2, I may be reaching, but is may be possible that the firekeeper is somehow related to the monarch from 2. and by related I mean came across. then again I'm reaching pretty far here.
at this point to say dark souls 2 isn't canon is like saying Dark souls 1 isn't canon. it's complete stupidity.
>>335982014
Dark Souls 2 may be the weakest entry in the franchise but it's still a fine game in it's own right, I don't understand why people despise it so. It's heavily flawed but I had a lot of fun with it. Solid 6/10.
>>335982120
How do YOU know what he wanted to do? Tell us how you have such a clear window into Miyazaki's soul, anon.
>>335982219
I thought Nito found his first
>>335982221
I should mention, i think Nito was some weird exception given the fact that he already looked like a pile of bones when he got his lord soul, that he "administered death" and created a race of beings(the milfanito and the other ones). Who the fuck knows what Nito was but he probably wasn't human.
>>335975838
2 is more than 1 you dumb nigger
>>335979537
the cat ring mentions her, but not by name
>>335982368
None of the gods were humans.
They were pygmies, a primordial race.
The furtive pygmy created humans when acquiring the dark soul.
>>335982339
Nah he was just the best at being dead. He was so good at it that he wasn't dead at all.
>>335981963
I don't think he was the strongest so much as he had the most resources. Such as a fucking army whereas the Witch only had her daughters and Nito was completely alone.
All three of the Lords are strong as fuck.
>>335982283
Nvidia GeForce GTX 560
>>335982301
Jesus christ anon you're not getting it. I'll try to make it simpler.
We are in 2014. Miyazaki has started writing DaS3.
He looks at DaS2, sees how stupid everything it conjectured was, and writes his own lore continuation for DaS3.
I'm not positioning Dark Souls 3's lore without Dark Souls 2, I'm positioning that Miyazaki could have easily made Dark Souls 3's more piggyback from 1 with more sense than Dark Souls 2 ever could.
>>335982173
Illusion magic.
>>335982289
Trying to transcend Dad.
>>335979517
Then how did he magically grow when touching Smough? Smough was just a maneater, no special abilities to speak of
>>335982471
Nah, he was definitely the strongest.
Even the picture of his fucking soul is the biggest and most magnificient and that's after he had already split it up to several different beings.
>>335982368
Nito being a skelington is probably due to him creating/sustaining death. Humans and hollows have skeletons inside them so he might just be a hollow who removed his flesh entirely.
>>335982084
Short answer? no one knows, nothing in the game even talks about them.
Long answer? PROBABLY some form of creation of Oceiros given that they are only around Lothric and specifically in his garden, they also look more like snakes and Oceiro's room is filled with snakemen. Also Oceiros is the mad scientist of the game and he has a pocket abyss/time portal in his closet.
>>335977373
gods are shit, literally the reason the world falls into ruin again and again. if they let things play out as they should things wouldnt be nearly as bad, but now the abyss has been stifled so long its like super abyss and everyones fucked.
>>335982227
What a beautiful game. 10/10, based From!
>>335982014
aside the "lol DS2" if you play bloodborn before you fell DS2 clunky, slow, souless, at least DS3 feel in middle of DS1 and BB
It's not bad game really but if you want for Lore/learn new mechanics, go for 3
>>335982437
Semantics. They're all just different tiers of human.
>>335982461
But that's what the intro shows.
>>335982104
Because his entire life has been miserable and he didn't want to set himself on fire for an eternity on top of that.
>>335982014
Individual aspects of the game are more than up to scratch.
Feels like a well made game put together in the wrong order.
>>335977560
so is Gwyn.
Lore =/= Gameplay
>>335982570
Well not really, not really at all.
With that logic I could say a dog is just a different tier of human.
>>335982330
Look at Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1, and Bloodborne. Do you think he'd really want Dark Souls 2 to hold relation to those?
>>335982312
I'd give Witcher 2 a 6/10. Dark Souls 2 doesn't even skirt that level of quality. It's a 3/10 for Vanilla and 4/10 for Scholar.
>>335982501
aldritch was just a maneater
>>335982487
So did your uncle work at From or are you just talking out your ass?
>>335982487
Ride that dick harder why don'tcha?
>>335982368
Nobody was human, the concept of humanity only became a thing after ol' Pygmy gave the Dark Soul to everyone.
>>335982519
Never thought about it that way, guess that would make sense.
>>335981803
Actually that's an interesting idea and it makes sense. Wow I just had an epiphany and connected all the dots. I didn't remember the moonlight butterflies were actually a product of Seath's experiments in the archives.
>>335982610
We have different opinions and I respect that, but I disagree.
>>335982501
>how did a video game character in a fantasy world absorb power
By taking on his soul?
It's why they both get lightning
>>335982537
Wow, From really outdid themselves this time. Is this the most best graphics that have ever existed?
>>335982481
https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4efemc/if_you_are_using_a_500_series_nvidia_card/
Here you go anon.
I guarantee it will help you.
>>335982285
Where does it say the gods are a race? Where even does it say that the possessors of the Lords souls are Gods? The intro video for ds1 simply calls the bearers of the Lord souls "they," and doesn't specify beyond that
>>335982537
I was saying a FROM game being ugly is not news.
>>335982104
Because he realised it was pointless. He was cursed, diseased, and he fucked up his brothers life, and he didn't want to continue the age of Fire, because it was about to end anyway.
Even though your character can choose to extend the cycle again, it pretty much looks like the last time it can ever be done. Your character is barely enough to keep the fire burning.
>>335982632
What?
Do you honestly think Dark Souls 2's contribution to the lore was truly worth being in the series, beyond begrudging inclusion to save time of writing more lore?
>>335982636
Stop defending B-team's abomination.
>>335982767
Pygmies as the other anon said are mentioned plenty throughout 1.
>>335982519
My god, you're on to something here.
>>335982735
You are based.
>>335982301
I didn't play dark souls 2 and dark souls 3 made a shit load of sense from a story perspective, what you're getting at is nonsensical
>>335982715
Could my laptop with an i5 run this?
>>335982312
>I don't understand why people despise it so
Because it's such a bad game?
Look, retard, nobody hates the game itself. It's a fucking game, it has no feelings. There's no point insulting an inanimate object.
But the game was just offensive. I don't blame the developers one tiny bit. I know they had a rough fucking time, I know it wasn't fun for them, I know how badly they got fucked over during development. But the product they produced, even if they tried so hard, was a shitty one.
Nobody should be defending Dark 2. We understand it's not a product of malice, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a bad product. I honestly don't understand, even a tiny bit, even a minuscule iota, how people can say with a straight face that they think Dark 2 is anything but the worst in this series. It has zero, 0, no redeeming qualities. Everything good in the game is ruined by all the bad shit. Even the most basic aspect, the character movement, the method by which you interact with the fucking game, is fucking busted. It's just fucking shit.
>>335982770
Compared to DS2, DS1 and DS3 are beautiful games. And especially BB.
>>335982860
>Do you honestly think Dark Souls 2's contribution to the lore was truly worth being in the series, beyond begrudging inclusion to save time of writing more lore?
It's irrelevant what any of us think, what is relevant is that whoever is in charge of the "lore" did think it made worthy contributions to the series since they kept it canon.
This autism tantrum you are throwing is completely pointless, do you think that if you complain long enough on 4chan all the references to souls 2 will vanish from souls 3? Just deal with it you big fucking baby.
>>335982924
Probably not because, despite being ugly, it's horribly optimised. It's a Fromsoft tradition to make games that perform like they're running on a potato with a wire stuck into it.
>>335982934
this
>>335982968
Demons looks better than Dark 2.
>>335982934
This is what I'm talking about. It's a bad game, sure, and it's definitely the worst in the series, I never said it wasn't, but you seem to violently hate it as if it raped your mother or something. And I just don't understand that. I really enjoyed my time with the game, and I don't care that you didn't. So why do you care that I did?
>>335982989
This.
Dark Souls 2 is canon, there is nothing anyone can do about it (which is fine because 2 doesn't do anything to detract from the lore of 3, and Cycles are still a central theme in 3).
>>335982889
No problem brother.
>>335982968
All four games are not graphically impressive as Japs can't really or don't bother with it besides Squeenix.
But what FS do have in all four is art, which does show in their environments and landscapes.
>>335982989
Do you think glorying long enough will make Dark Souls 2 a good game?
Just deal with it being absolute trash you big fucking baby.
We get it anon, you defend things because you like them and hate criticism.
>>335982996
Completely untrue, runs great because it looks like utter shit. Any toaster can run it at 60fps.
>>335983061
I agree.
>>335982996
DaS1 runs fine, bought it last week.
>>335982084
a way of literally showing the abyss "overflowing" i guess. its been kept down too long
>>335983135
I didn't defend dark souls 2 at any point in my post, and i didn't like dark souls 2.
>>335982934
>how people can say with a straight face that they think Dark 2 is anything but the worst in this series
des was great at the time but it aged poorly. i'd rather play das2 than des
also das2 probably had the biggest viable build variety in the series
>>335983118
Point is none of the other games sink this low >>335982537
>>335983075
I don't hate the game. It's a plastic disc that I take out of a plastic box and put into another plastic box. It's a piece of plastic. I even had some fun with it my first time playing, although I can't stomach playing it a second time.
I hate the people who pretend like it's not a shitty game. Shitty games are shitty games, and thankfully Dark 2's shitty aspects weren't referred to again in Dark 3. But people who pretend that shitty games are good games piss me off, and that's what I, and most people, hate about Dark 2.
>>335983061
>>335983148
Stop shitposting.
DeS was ugly as shit, especially being bogged down by the PS3.
DS2 may have had a half-assed direction but that's it.
>>335983135
He didn't even say it was a good game. Look at you, you're so desperate to hate Dark Souls 2 that you're putting words into people's mouths. I don't fucking understand how you jaded autists can hate something so much.
>>335983075
I enjoyed RE6 but I wouldn't recommend it to people.It had great controls
>>335983235
Except all their games do?
It'd be more of a challenge to not find QUALITY.
Not really sure why spergs are bitching about graphics of all things in Souls.
>>335983231
This entire time you've said, "Well it's in the lore so stop criticizing it!"
You actively tried to prevent me from scrutinizing it solely on the basis of it being included, as if that is artistic merit alone.
Halo 4 is canon but it's garbage. Being canon doesn't mean it's inherently good.
>>335983234
>also das2 probably had the biggest viable build variety in the series
Yes, it may have.
But the base gameplay is so bad that you can't enjoy that.
I know this will just be dismissed as another patented /v/ Food Analogy, but imagine trying to eat a gorgeous, gourmet meal off of a place made from pressed dog shit. The meal is so beautiful, but your fucking plate and fork are made of shit. You can't enjoy the meal because the thing you use to eat the meal is literally shit.
The gameplay of Dark 2 is so bad that any of the good stuff in the game is, basically, out of reach. You have to brave the bottomless swamp of deadzones to get to it.
>>335983236
>I don't hate the game. It's a plastic disc that I take out of a plastic box and put into another plastic box. It's a piece of plastic. I even had some fun with it my first time playing, although I can't stomach playing it a second time.
Oh my bad, I thought you were someone with something intelligent to say. You're clearly autistic. You and I both know I didn't mean that you literally hate the disc the game is on, you're just being retarded because you have literally no argument beyond "buhhhh dark souls 2 suckssss!" And it does suck you fucking idiot, I don't even know why you're replying to me. Because I didn't hate it as much as you?
>>335983135
He LITERALLY said it was a bad game but he enjoyed it.
Please stop posting and kill yourself out of shame.
>>335983278
Anon stop double posting, I've already proved you wrong here>>335983347
>>335982610
>Dark Souls 2 is shit
>Miyazaki can do no wrong and would never include Dark Souls 2 into his work
>Miyazaki proceeds to include Dark Souls 2 into his work
Think about your chain of logic here. There are only two reasonable conclusions. Either Miyazaki isn't as great as you believe him to be or Dark Souls 2 is better than you give it credit.
And saying that he only did it for money just means that he's willing to compromise his great vision just for money.
>>335983357
holy fuck it is not that bad, stop with this fucking meme.
>b-b-b-but this area didnt perfectly transition to this area
nigger 3 is literally an amusement park and nobody's complaining
new thred since this one is aging >>335983128
>>335983394
You can't enjoy a bad game, you're just retarded.
Stop defending that shitstain.
>>335983507
>You can't enjoy a bad game, you're just retarded.
Lel ok.
>>335983475
Elevatormimics
>>335983347
That post you replied to has been my only post in the subject.
But either way, my point isn't that the game was good, or that you shouldn't criticize it. My point is that it's irrelevant how much you dislike the game because no matter what you do FromSoft didn't dislike it, and even if they did dislike it they still references dozens of things about it in 3 and kept it as canon.
So yelling and complaining about it is pointless because you can't just cover your eyes and shut your eyes and pretend that it isn't canon if you want to talk about >>>>lore.
>>335983340
Which souls games?
Not even DeS has anything as bad as that pic. Prove me wrong.
>>335977948
The guy in 2 was one if his knighst or his son.
The real Orn went to look for his master, Nameless King. That's why you find his amror there.
>>335983481
Stop defending Dark 2.
Nobody hates a deformed puppy, but if you sit there and pretend like it's perfectly healthy you're a retard.
>>335983507
>You can't enjoy a bad game, you're just retarded.
You literally just said you had fun with it here >>335983236
>>335983457
Are you twelve?
Dark Souls 2 sold very well, and then sold well again with Scholar.
He is the President of From Software. A business first and foremost.
To not include aspects of one of your greatest sources of profit would make him a terrible business owner.
Jesus christ you're fucking stupid.
>>335983507
>I get to tell YOU what YOU can enjoy
>>335983357
das2 dlc is some of the best souls content, flatout.
also pvp was so good it had an arena that actually functioned
>>335983475
LIVIN IT UP WHEN IM GOIN DOWN
>>335978063
>No
yes. Gwyn linked the fire.
>>335983595
>if i equate things to bad things then im right
yes thats nice good for you
>>335978063
Gwyns literal hollowed husk was still there to defend the Kiln after he already linked the flame.
>>335983553
izalith
>>335983646
Good content is pointless if the only way to experience it is that shitty gameplay.
I know most of you are baiting, but there are people who actually believe Dark 2 was good. And that baffles and kind of worries me.
>>335983607
That's not me. I'm not the anon saying it ruined my life, I'm the anon saying it just doesn't deserve association, from an artistic standpoint. None of my replies even align with that guy.
>>335983640
Okay, but other than a few npcs and armor, it doesnt include much. So whatever faggot.
>>335978063
That's retarded. They don't get brought back, they just sit there burning
>>335977607
Yes. Cinder is literally a burnt up piece of wood/coal that still has a bit a fuel in it left. The flame doesn't seem to burn out a soul entirely until a new one has replaced it.
>>335983640
Explain to me how you could enjoy a bad game. >>335983758
>Worries me
I'm with you on it being one of the worst games ever made but on a board where people discuss the lore of video games and not actual narratives worthy of conversation as presented books and film, why would something like that worry you?
It's video games, they're still more akin to toys than actual artistic mediums.
>>335979529
>Gwyn is back as the Soul of Cinder.
You're retarded.
>>335983752
Poor looking lava doesnt really compete with a whole game relying on repeating wall textures and shoddy backgrounds.
>>335983758
das2 wasn't bad it just wasn't great
>>335983875
>I'm with you on it being one of the worst games ever
How can someone be this delusional.
For real though, there are more mimics in this game than regular chests.
There'e even a spot before Yhorm where there are TWO mimics guarded by about 8 enemies.
Oh I'm laughing From.
>>335983927
Name 10 games worse than Dark Souls 2
>>335983902
i wasn't even talking about the lava. it's been a while since you've looked around izalith, hasn't it?
>>335976412
>flooded the chamber where you fight him
What? That muck you're fighting on IS him. You fight on his body.
>>335983986
Kek. There are literally thousands.
But that's not the point, I could post any game and you'll just say nuh uh dark souls 2 is worse.
Off yourself already.
>>335983640
So Miyazaki is just a jew willing to compromise his grand vision the minute someone throws some shekels his way. Maybe the souls series would've been better in the hands of someone with some actual vision instead.
>>335983986
literally everything on the phillips cd-i
>>335983997
I thought it was awesome, almost alien looking world. The lava barf glow was the only thing I hated, as far as visuals go.
>>335984041
Why did you do this?
Why, when given a chance to prove yourself, you give this shitty copout? Do you hate discussion, do you have such an issue with conflicting opinions that you literally refuse to have a conversation?
>>335984119
Because there is no conversation.
Are you actually going to sit there and claim you would actually concede and admit that I posted a worse game?
You wouldn't have, you would have said any game I posted was worse because you're a delusional retard.
>>335984119
>Do you hate discussion
No, just with you.
>>335984057
Why do you hold video games to an ethical standard even higher than film?
What is the purpose of the industry to you? Because with the advent of crowdfunding, you should be aware that is it a business.
All mediums of entertainment are businesses.
His artistic integrity was established with 3 games already.
I bet you're one of the kids who think VGAs are an important aspect of the industry and that journalism for video games matters.
