Blizzard is going to meet with the Nostalrius devs.
Any guesses what the announcement might be?
Sjw shit
Probably irrelevant.
>>335941194
How would this be related to SJW shit? Do you even know what this is about?
>>335941106
Honestly they should just hire them to run legacy servers for them. They could probably get them for cheap considering they were doing it for free before they were shutdown.
>post yfw this is an elaborate ruse to lure the frogs to the US to arrest them copyright violations like gaben did with that German kid
>Any guesses what the announcement might be?
An arrest.
They will pay them money to shill for the pristine servers.
>>335941106
This better be a rhetorical question.
>>335941106
>getting invited to Blizzard HQ after lawsuit threats
Possibly dumber than Robb Stark accepting the wedding invitation
>>335941397
They would be the smart and very video game decision.
>>335941482
Wouldn't that literally just destroy any goodwill they may have had?
>>335941836
This, they will probably try to buy them off or get them into some legal trouble somehow.
Blizzard is a slimy company. I hope they bring an attorney just in case.
>>335942451
they can make their own legacy servers
the NOST guys need blizzard way more than blizzard needs them
>trusting a jew like morhaime
>shiggity
>>335942815
I don't really give a shit about that. I'm talking about how much arresting some people for a private server would destroy goodwill.
Like, even a PR genius could not spin that in a favorable way. They're not actually stupid enough to arrest them.
Nobody gives a shit.
MUH NOST GUISE MUH NOST!
>>335943053
fuck off
>>335941780
That's exactly what blizzard would and will do. I feel bad for them.
Probably what valve did when they offered a hacker a job: got him to show up and arrested him.
>>335942806
EVE Gurista pirate playboy bunny t-shirt
fuck I want one of those.
>>335943053
hezdtrfgthfgh
>>335943053
pls
>>335941106
WE DID IT
HAHAHAHA Blizzard is actually retreating and they're going to give them their server back. We'll probably get videos of the devs all gathered around and the Blizz faggots apologizing. I like it. The internet came together and told Blizzard it's not over, now it will be over, but with the customer winning. Based Nostalrius.
>>335941397
I just don't see Blizzard asking people to download an old version of the game and hosting a 3rd party reverse engineered version of their own server without all the technical improvements that have been made to the current game (not just talking about graphics, but stability, connectivity, anti-cheat and load times etc.) not to even mention no battle.net client integration. If there's going to be legacy servers it'd have to be a fork of the current version of the game, I doubt a lot of the stuff can be backported (e.g. they changed their compression scheme at least once since), and in that regard the Nostalrius crew is going to be useless.
>>335943701
You're about to receive an reality check, Anon.
>>335943053
Dammit
>>335943053
FUCK YOU, ANON
Gonna have the Nost devs help them with *pristine* servers that recreate the vanilla gameplay in current expansion content
screencap this post.
>>335941106
Honeypot to arrest them like Valve did to the guy that leaked Half Life 2.
>>335943053
fuck off
>>335943892
There's nothing to arrest them for as they complied with the cease and desist.
>>335943053
Ree
>>335943995
Charges that havent been made public yet. Being faggots in North Carolina, I dunno.
>>335943868
But somebody else posted this before you.
>>335941836
well on the one hand maybe Blizz has Nost become a small sister studio and actually do it. and/or has them make a kickstarter to ensure they are as self-funded as possible, whilst working under license of Blizz
or it'll be how i imagine most "community" settlements end up. like we CS players talk to valve about single map formats behind closed doors. they come out with sealed lips and signed papers, nothing changes, and the whole thing is allowed to mysteriously blow over.
>>335943053
Tbh lads IF I was going to play WoW those "pristine" servers do sound like a major upgrade from the game currently
If they retune a lot of low level content and skills it could be p. legit
>>335941106
>we are new workers at blizzard!
>>335943991
it wasn't a "if you don't post she will kill you" post tho your cat is invalid:^)
There will be progression servers in WoW but it wont be as a result of this and it wont happen for another 3 years or so
Screencap this
Official vanilla servers run by the Nost team. It will be $15 a month to play on them.
>>335941106
It's fucking appalling that this has garnered so much attention that those fags might actually win.
We live in a world where no matter how asinine what you're trying to accomplish is....all you need is some vocal followers and the ability to bitch about what you want endlessly and you'll probably get it. I feel disgusted to live in America right now.
>>335941106
I'm gonna guess a big fat lawsuit. Or legacy servers in exchange for their firstborn children
>>335945167
>people who want to pay for a product whined loud enough that they get to pay for a product
This is America as fuck, dipshit
>>335944327
You can already play on pristine servers by just not using any of those features, and people already do. They play the game with a set of rules stopping at level 60 and not using any of those things. It is still shit, though. You still have to do garrisons and shitty WoD content.
>>335945348
>People who want their free server back whined loud enough that they might get their free server back
Fixed it for you
>>335945167
>French servers
here is your (you)
>>335941106
they're all going to be arrested probably
>>335945167
Holy shit, all of this anger over private servers.
Priceless
>>335945167
>people want to give money to a company for a service and so that company might offer it to them
wew lad, how awful
Public execution of the Blizzcucks
Anyone with an active World of Warcraft Account will be taken to the slaughtering grounds. Family members will not prevent their abduction, because after all, who cares about a Blizzcuck?
Those sensible enough to drop the game before Cata will be allowed to sit on the ground and picnic as each and every Blizzcuck is slowly executed. The Blizzcucks will be given an option for "death swapping", where they can exchange their slow crucifixions for relatively painless beheadings for the low low price of 29.99. However, they'll most likely opt for the deluxe death package, which means they get flayed alive and salted, but their next of kin gets a limited edition hero in Hearthstone.
The Nost Devs will share wine and cheese with the Blizzard Developers, and as the last Blizzcuck squeals his last, usher in a new dawn of MMO RPGs.
>>335945518
>>335945268
>>335943892
This would make my year.
>>335945167
Are you really in such denial that there is some sort of real demand for not-modern WoW?
>>335941482
>>335943516
What the fu-
How is that even the same thing? The german kid took the source code of HL2 and leaked it for everyone to see
>>335945167
>people want thing
>business doesn't provide them with thing
This is the point where they could either
>give the people what they want and make money because they're a fucking business and that's what they do
>shut down everyone else who tries to give people what they want
Only one of these makes any sense. It doesn't matter that people bitch and moan to get it, it's a good move from the perspective of business. They shouldn't have had to.
The problem isn't vocal people getting what they want, it's that they had to be vocal to get it in the first place when they shouldn't have had to.
>>335945536
see >>335945453
Nobody in their right mind is going to pay for this.
>>335945443
You can't really play the game without LFD on normal servers though because people wont join a group where they don't get the bonus rewards that LFD gives. If you actually type LFG in trade now you'll mostly just get whispers with confused people wondering why you would do that.
I agree that the game is still broken though, I leveled a character to 20 a couple of days ago on the F2P shit without heirlooms and could still oneshot everything and outleveled all the quests even without doing dungeons, but that aspect could be fixed with tuning.
>>335943053
What was this post?
>>335941106
>Implying this wasn't blizzards plan all along
>Subs are down and they are no longer pulling in the numbers they used to
>Shut down Nost in what would seem to be a nightmare PR move while working with Nost fags the entire time
>Give Nost makers the ultimatum of shut it down or work with them to introduce people to "pristine" servers
>Now it seems like Blizzard is pulling a huge goodwill move towards fans by humoring them and reintroducing "pristine" servers
>Now all these Nost players are going to pay Blizzard instead of playing for free
>all these idiots thinking they're going to be arrested
/v/ really isn't that intelligent baka
>>335945781
If nobody was going to pay for it they wouldn't be offering it
>>335945167
>I'm disgusted that I live in a country where capitalism works
I'll gladly trade you my citizenship if you want to live in your communist utopia
>>335945785
You can, you just need a group of people to do it with
They're just going to kill them and blizdrones will defend the murder.
>>335945167
>b-but lel fight Blizzard tehy are shitt!!!!
Going to be funny when they do implement legacy servers and it gets less than 100k because most Nost players were from BR,RUS or other places that play it because it was free.
People aren't going to come in droves to pay 15 bucks a month for a game they played 10 years ago in a modern market.
>>335945851
We don't know if they're even offering yet.
I'm still hoping this is an elaborate ruse to arrest those morons or at least shut them up.
>>335945887
I'm just tired of people bitching endlessly about the most senseless shit and winning not because they're right, but because they wont stop bitching.
To be honest maybe this is an unpopular opinion but I'd come back for a pristine server with dungeon finder turned off on top of the other restrictions even if it was current expansion.
Would be nice to play on a server that was 100% a fresh start with no transfers of 100s of thousands of gold fucking the economy from day one. I realize everyone will be 60 within a month, most within 3 days, but at least it will take 10 years to do 10 years worth of inflation to th
>>335941106
>go to blizzard campus
>get picked up by fbi for violating dmca
>>335945985
>because most Nost players were from BR,RUS or other places that play it because it was free.
If this was the case how come none of the private servers of modern versions of the game even come close to Nost in popularity? Surely if they were playing because it was free they'd want to play the latest and "greatest" version?
>>335946162
What DMCA are they violating?
>>335945167
Holy fuck I can't imagine living life being such a fucking child.
The fact that you think there's sides that "win" and "lose" in this situation shows what a fucking troglodyte you are. Noose yourself.
I see this going two ways. Either nost admins get laughed at, told the law to their face and escorted out.Or nost admins get forced to cuck for pristine servers.
I hope it's the latter cause man the shitstorm will be glorious.
Either way I'll be enjoying legion. Don't care about old legacy servers either way cause I won't touch them. And blizzard will just take their low end employees to run them if they do.
>>335946162
They complied with the takedown notice, they aren't violating shit.
>>335943793
you make the nostalrius boys register as a company, declare all their staff and assets including servers, and then buy the whole lot as a division of blizzard with whatever pay and terms you want.
either that or threaten legal action after the C&D
its what nintendo should have done with PM
>>335941106
"We're proud to announce we figured out a quick and dirty way to add a cash shop to the vanilla game. Gamers rejoice, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT"
>>335946215
anti-circumvention rules
>>335946215
>What DMCA
What.
There's only one DMCA
>>335946070
Well according to that Blizz sticky in the forums the blue said that that's something that they could definitely do if people were open to it.
Since it's a lot easier than putting out vanilla servers.
>no heirlooms
>no transfers
>no lfd
>no lfr
>no cross realm zones
I think this is the way to go. I don't see why they don't just release a realm like this and see how it does
I'd rather play that than Vanilla servers
>>335946195
Because it was free numbnuts, attach a fee to it and people will seek out alternatives. Nost was the most stable of them so it because the defacto place to play classic wow. Not that difficult of a concept.
/v/ is such shit, godammit
>>335946253
I'm sorry I grew up in a generation where entitlement complexes weren't embedded into people's brains.
You people are just whining because daddy took away your shiny toy
>>335941948
>I don't want to marry your daughter, I love this bitch over here
>Fuck her or as many bitches as you want on the side. Fuck men, fuck a horse, I literally don't care. Just marry my prettiest inbred daughter with the biggest tits for politics
>Um....no?
Robb was too dumb for words.
>>335946426
My only issue is no heirlooms. You shouldn't have access to your account heirloom tab but you should still be able to earn them in game on this server.
>>335946597
Nah fuck that, leveling is already completely trivial without them.
>>335946426
Real monkey paw situation there, officially endorsed "legacy" servers that just get rid of QoL changes instead of reverting the game back to its roots. You'll still have the fast as shit leveling and quest design along with raids that get lazier each tier. But you will have to yell in trade for groups again.
>>335946597
Heirlooms casualized the game. We want the hardcore as fuck vanilla version for non casuals like ourselves
>>335946547
>asking a company for a service in exchange for money
>whining
>Blizzard announces Nost will be allowed to run
>Nost announces it will be a subscription based server charging $15/mo
Nost complied with the cease and desist letter, they have nothing to fear, you fucking retards.
>>335946763
Nobody in their right mind is going to pay for this. If anyone does it will be too few to justify running it.
>>335946660
>>335946742
Fine but if they take off heirlooms they also need to take off level requirements on gear / enchantments so that us hardcore players can make hardcore twinks. If BGs are still cross realm they can be scaled down but if BGs are not cross realm they are not allowed to be scaled down.
>>335946370
So how is making a private server in a game violating it?
>>335946980
>tfw you think you do but you don't was right all along
>>335946742
>equipped all heirlooms and bought xp potions
>got from level 90 to level 100 in a single 12 hour autism grind
>>335941106
Who gives a fuck
WoW is shit
Private servers are shit
>>335946992
This is why I don't get modern MMO's. Why would you play a game that is so boring that you need to basically cheat your way through it for it to become fun?
If everyone detests the leveling, why not center a game around the end game instead?
THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
D E L E T E T H I S
>>335947260
It's fun to see what you can do at low levels with high level gear.
>>335941106
They are going to get slaughtered
Holy fuck that desperation. Blizzard is literally getting BTFO by a bunch of nobody coders who made a private server.
I hope this causes Metzen to kill himself.
>>335946572
It wasn't about the bitches, it wanted to keep Westerling's honor intact since she he deflowered her and might have got her pregnant, and he knew what kind of shit upbringing Jon had being a bastard.
But yeah in the show when it was TRUWUFF it was retarded.
>>335947337
ACTIVISION SENDS THEIR REGARDS
>>335947260
The game is centered around the end game and only the end game which is why it's shit now. Back then you didn't need to raid on the hardest difficulty to have fun with the game, now that's the only even moderately fun part of the game.
>People thinking they will get arrested.
Can somebody tell me why you guys are so against private servers?
Everyone else except /v/ is for them, and it seems like a stupid thing to actively want to prevent. Why do you faggots defend corporations so much?
if there was a server for every expansion, which one would you play on?
>>335941482
Saice senpai
>>335947036
It circumvents security and allows people to play their game without their permission.
as long as i dont have to torrent for a vannila client. i dont mind.
>>335947597
Vanilla and TBC
>>335947596
Really? I've pretty much only seen support for private servers on here.
>>335947596
It's not the defending corporations part, /v/ has to be contrarian about everything so they can maintain their belief that they're better than any other video games and social website.
>it's a trap
man I would laugh my ass off
>>335947036
They violate both the terms of the EULA (which prohibit reverse engineering) and the DMCA (anti-circumvention provisions) in the process of constructing the server. The exact same pattern Blizzard has used time and again to shut down re-implementations of their services.
>>335947626?
How the fuck does a private server allow people to play a game without permission?
I'm a bit curious, did Nostralius or whatever, use "modern" graphics? Or did they go full vanilla with older character models and stuff like that?
>>335947591
>implying they dont have the law on their side
>>335947875
Full vanilla
>>335947789
>Mark and the Nost team gets thrown into Bobby Kotick's shark tank while he laughs like a maniac
>>335947796
So does any of that even matter when fans, the people, want to play on the servers?
The customer always comes first, not the corporation.
>>335947596
I dislike playing on them because there's always kinks, weird bugs, unimplemented scripts or shitty GMs/server community, etc. and eventually they all get shut down and my characters are gone. I don't have anything against the concept itself, just the way it usually works out in practice.
I also want to see progression servers more than just "frozen" servers, but I believe Nostalrius was doing something akin to this, even having plans for a BC realm you could move your characters to?
>>335947591
Is that you, Dmitry Sklyarov?
>>335947949
What a naive child you are
>>335947929
They got the server shut down tho, they can't do anything after that
>>335941106
The announcement is that they have died of asphyxiation
>>335947929
They don't, because Nostalrius already complied with their demands.
>>335948017
What, that I believe in capitalism and that the customer is always right?
>>335947949
>customer
you mean thieves? :^)
>>335941106
I've been with Blizzard for almost 15 years. I don't dare hope that they will do something we actually want.
So probably some new fashion line or some shit nobody gives a fuck about.
>>335947360
It's just a small group of very vocal idiots. Like most businesss, blizzard is looking for a way to make more money.
They'll call the nost guys in and force them to work how blizzard wants. Then sell the pristine servers as legacy. Least amout of work for the most amount of profit.
A little bit of publicity makes sure blizz keeps the attention. It's funny when idiots don't have a basic understanding of business.
Who the fuck would even consider buying Legion now?
>>335947949
The rights-holders come first, and you aren't customers when you are using pirate servers to play their games.
Your feelings do not matter to the Feds.
>>335948310
Most of the people who want to buy legion probably don't give a rat's ass about this.
>>335941106
legal action
>>335947596
because it's fun to see nostalrius babies cry rivers, I really dont care, and no, nobody defends current blizzard, but those faggots were shilling everywhere how great their private serverwasand how the live one is shitseriously just quit the game entirely, dont beg for legacy servers
>>335948281
No, they'll bring them in and show them around and give them something to make them go back and tell everyone that Blizzard is great and everyone should support them by buying the new expansion.
This is the full L4D experience.
>>335948184
>pay for game
>play game
>theft
Well thank god you at least put the shitposting face in your post
>>335948328
Technically, if you still are paying and logging onto the game, you are playing it.
And yes, the customer comes first. Those laws are to protect their product from theft, not for stroking their dicks about how good their game is
>>335941106
>mfw ganked
Every fucking one of these threads there are a few people trying to convince /v/ that this is somehow bad for videogames. See
>>335941194
>>335943204
>>335945167
>>335945453
>>335946547
Like who are you paid by, if you're correct and nobody will pay to play private servers, then blizzard is out a bit of money and you get to call /v/ a bunch of poorfag kids, and if you're wrong a bunch of guys get to have fun. I don't see an agenda to push?
>>335947820
You need Blizzard's permission to play their game, anon. This is how most games work; you don't own the game, you own a license to access it -- a license that comes with conditions and is revoked if you violate them. If you play on an emulated server, then, according to their terms of use, you have violated these conditions and no longer have Blizzard's permission to play their game. The acts of emulating and playing on an emulated server are against Blizzard's Terms of use, so both the Nostalrius developers and players have violated WoW's terms of use.
Private servers like Nostalrius circumvent Blizzard's security they use to control access to their game and allow players to access their game content without their permission. This is a criminal act under the DMCA regardless of whether or not there is any copyright infringment involved.
And on top of that, there IS copyright infringement involved. The terms of use also state that violation of the license limitations is regarded as copyright infringement. This means that both the private server devs and players have committed copyright infringement. This doesn't sound like it would be legally justifiable (since terms of service aren't always recognized in court if they aren't 100% in-line with the law), but they have used this in court before and it worked.
>>335948310
Not everyone is a nostcuck
>>335948605
No, those laws are there to create an iron-gripped monopoly over their intellectual property that they can use to maximize their profits.
The DMCA is a dumpster fire and everyone that voted for it should be shot into space. Every jury that has ever agreed that provisions of an EULA should supersede the right to reverse engineer should also be launched into the vacuum.
>>335942815
t.TotalbisCuck
Can you form your own opinions? Just once?
>>335948829
I'm just sick of people getting their way solely by whining about it.
No work, no sacrifice, just entitled bitching. It's become the way of the world lately and it's tiring to see it work.
>>335948886
>you don't own the game you bought
>americans getting cucked by corporations this hard
>>335948494
I can see that happneing as well. It's a trap for the nost admins no matter how you look at it.
>>335948972
>No, those laws are there to create an iron-gripped monopoly over their intellectual property that they can use to maximize their profits.
That sounds a lot like when the FineBros tried to copyright the concept of reacting.
So really, you just made me sympathize with Nost even more
>>335949120
Everyone who fucking plays any mmo in any country is under this same set of rules.
Or are you one of those idiots who skips the EULA and then whines when rules you were too lazy to read come bite you in the ass?
>>335946572
Reminder that book Robb married out of honour. TV Robb marred for (inexplicable and rushed) love.
Reminder the TV show is shit.
>>335948886
Wew lad, you really sound like a corperate drone.
Can't wait for Nost to get their shit back and you cry to /v/ about "m-muh laws" and "m-muh itelecshual protertee". The customer is always right
>>335949105
So what would be a better strategy for getting blizzard to sell Vanilla again?
>>335949105
How exactly would people "sacrifice" themselves for this? And there's been plenty of work put into private servers.
You can't spell Blizzard without Lizard
I love drinking Nostalrius tears, get fucked
>>335948973
DELETE THIS
>>335948886
>developers cannot change their EULA to fit consumers
Oh wow, I don't think /v/ knows how capitalism works
They are going to take his clothes and shoes like in that Fox in Space animation and take em to the CEO of Blizzard like they did with andross.
>>335949254
EULAs are not above the law. So no, people aren't playing by the same rules. E.g. Steam's EULA contradicted Australian laws about refunds which is why we now have refunds and Valve got BTFO in court.
>>335945985
I'd be interested in trying vanilla WoW since I never played it but I heard how it went to shit after Cataclysm.
>>335949341
>states the law
>gets called a drone
It's sad you can't even understand basic business. The customer is always right is a saying and nothing more. All business's protect their own rights first and then server the customer second.
If nost gets anythign back it will be because blizzard is getting money for it due to selling nost a licence.
>>335942343
This, thus it will never happen.
>>335949105
Care to know how I know you're an entitled brat who had his car/apartment/job handled to him?
>>335946791
I would be totally fine with this provided they got a bigger, better team to really get the server up to speed and minimize bugs
>>335949775
>paying for a game you already bought
>>335949341
I've played on private servers more often than real ones, I'm just explaining the situation. Most games have terms like those, but 99 times out of 100 they're unenforceable, or the company doesn't even care to enforce them. Blizzard's one of the few that have actually done so.
>>335941106
Assassination.
>>335949660
But its not a law though, its a license agreement.
If the community tells you to fix your stupid EULA, then you should fix it.
A corporation is not an entity with feelings, its purpose is to make money and people happy. When big people like Jontron, Boogie, and TB are telling you to do something, you fucking do it. Its how capitalism works.
>>335949879
>Blizzard's one of the few that have actually done so.
Then looks like Blizzard needs to get on track with every corporation on PC. They don't deserve respect for denying rights that others allow
>>335949753
I work 10 hour shifts and am still paying off my car, try harder.
>>335949105
How is running a large server, reverse-engineering blizzard shit, and facing the risk of various legal threats, all for free, not literally work AND sacrifice?
The only entitled bitch here is you.
>>335949879
Your version of "just explaining the situation" is shilling. People get paid for that anon, don't do it for free
>>335949879
>sell people product without agreeing to terms
>force people to agree to terms to use product they bought
>can't return product for refund
america
>>335950073
You just confirmed you had literally everything handed to you.
>>335950076
They did something illegal, got torn down, and are whining because they feel like they're the victims.
>>335949845
Spotted the poorfag
>>335950073
So you don't have an answer for >>335949347?
>>335949105
>waah you're entitled
No motherfucker, in this system, you make people happy for money. If people aren't happy, then you don't get money.
The only one here entitled, is you for thinking a corporation deserves to isolate itself from the others.
>>335950192
Your entitlement complex is so large that if it physically manifested it would cause the moon and the sun to collide with the Earth.
They are gonna give them life time subscription to WoW for being such good fans
>>335950192
So they did sacrifice something.
>>335950202
>I pay to eat shit because I can afford it
>>335949120
>>335949528
The only countries that don't share copyright treaties with the US are third world shitholes like Ethiopia and Iran. You don't own the game you bought. You own the medium the data is stored on, such as your HDD or CD and nothing else.
>>335948474
Nost threads were an extreme rarity and if I cared enough I could probably count them all up by looking through the archives. Even then most of the threads were about nostalgia and old stories rather than sharing what happened on private servers.
Now not a day goes by without a HAHA NOST KEKS shitthread. Not that you care, given you're doing your part in shitting this board up.
>>335947596
Because /v/ is not a single individual and each individual has their own opinion, which in most places they cannot share without being either censored or drowned out in the vocal minorities general consensus
>>335950183
k
>>335950264
There isn't one. It's a dead game that's come and gone.
>>335949775
>vanilla experience
>bigger tech team to deal with bugs and server efficiency
Pick one.
It would be funny if Blizzard actually hired these guys and Valve ended up being the only ones who tricked someone into a fake interview just to arrest them.
Like the tables had turned.
I think people would take the nostalrius team more seriously if they weren't giant cry babies whos fans actively harass blizzard and the community
>>335950127
>never says one single thing in favor of what Blizzard did
>only states the law
>gets called a corporate shill
>>335950192
But Blizzard isn't entitled to not being friendly towards their customers. If you can't make your source of money happy, then you arent entitled to fucking money.
>>335950432
Of course there is an answer to "How can you get a corporation to consider an idea?" and the answer is what you refer to a "bitching", you idiot. What you think about vanilla is irrelevant to the question asked.
>>335949845
you are paying for access to the server anon, you can always make your own private real and play it alone like an autist, since you're at it buy DA: Inquisition, its a great singleplayer mmo :^)
>>335949434
They can change, but that's how they are right now
>>335950432
>There isn't one. It's a dead game that's come and gone.
Kek and there we go.
>you faggots nobody will ever buy this
>y-y-you're just entitled
>Vanilla is dead you can't ask for it back! Despite the ragtag group of frogs who worked for free to make an extremely good clone
I really want to know what your agenda is
>>335950575
Then you should at lest acknowledge the fact that people are allowed to be pissed at the 1/10th of entitled, power-hungry corporate pigs
>>335945781
Nobody in their right mind still follows WoW.
>>335941106
Nost's devs' heads on a pike near the blizzard HQ.
>>335950575
The law serves the corporation, not the consumer. You're getting tricked into believing that corporate law is inherently moral because its the law
>>335950779
What about their left mind?
>>335950692
And people are allowed to tell them to fucking change their EULA and not complain.
I don't get what is so hard about changing a EULA, and why you are so against it.
>>335950545
>Valve ended up being the only ones who tricked someone into a fake interview just to arrest them.
Did that happen? Source?
>>335950823
The law serves both, Anon.
>>335950547
(You)
Okay, for real now, how hard of a Blizzdrone do you have to be to be against vanilla servers?
>>335950985
Nice to see you can't prove me wrong.
>>335950579
You're not entitled to being treated with friendliness. It's the norm/expectation, sure, but it's not technically a requirement. They're fully entitled to treat their customers however they want, not that they should. Consider those restaurants where the waiters insult you. I don't understand why someone would want to go therejust like I don't understand why anyone would give blizzard money, but they stay in business like that.
>>335950073
Wow!
You have to work and have car payments!
You sacrifice so much!
Do you want someone to just acknowledge you're doing something any regular person does for years upon years you needy bitch?
>>335951040
I'm going to toss you a (you), and ask for proofs of your statement
>>335950971
>You need Blizzard's permission to play their game, anon
B-but its for the consumer's own good! They think they want it but they don't!
>>335941106
Considering the level of logic and wisdom behind Blizzard decisions lately, they're going to publicly execute them to get back in their fans' good graces by showing them there is now literally no other way to play Warcraft except by subscribing to the official version.
>>335951060
because america is the land of cucks
>>335951013
I don't think Blizzard has made a good game since WC 3, and wouldn't mind seeing WoW in all of its forms die.
On a scale of 1 to bobby kotick foot massager, how much of a blizzdrone am I?
>>335951121
I saw this picture of a twitter post by some unknown person that said everyone who supports nostarlius is harassing people on twitter and the forums. I think it was a girl so she knows what she's talking about.
Check mate
Just let Blizz make a Vanilla server, I bet it will fail anyway, probably it will be fully alive for like.. 6 months or 1 year at max and then people will leave because they aren't 15 year old with a lot of free time and they will have no time to grind all the shit.
>>335951040
Obvious shill is obvious.
>>335941482
Valve didn't have anyone fucking arrested.
Valve worked with the FBI on a ruse to offer him a job. He didn't take the bait and remained in Germany.
People who post misinformation are literally worse than shitposters.
>>335941106
We're never going to hear from them again.
We'll get a twitter saying something along the lines of "We've reached an agreement with this honorable and wonderful company and are think you should buy Overwatch!"
They're already dead.
>>335951013
It's not a matter of being against it. It's a matter of 'is it worth the money it takes to make it work'. How easy do you think it would be for Blizzard to pull up the old version of WoW and make it work with their new systems?
>>335950823
I never implied it was inherently moral. All that's relevant to me is that my country is owned by corporations, and willful copyright infringement is a criminal act. I don't want to risk being labelled a criminal for the rest of my life because I wanted to play a video game like it was 10 years ago on the off chance blizzard ever decides to audit Nostalrius' logs and find my IP in there.
This is the a possibility of the shitty reality I live in and it behooves people to be aware of this type of bullshit.
>year xxxx
>steam shuts down
>no one can access their games
>implying anyone own games and you aren't just renting them
>bu-but they promise to release a patch to play offline
no they didn't
I just hope to be alive too see all the shitposting that would cause
>>335951350
you didn't download hl2 source leak and poke around the havok source code like a criminal, right, anon?
>>335951472
Is it your money being wasted to make it work? Do you own Activision stock?
>people acting like EULAs matter
Contract law is primarily reliant on mutual respect, because a lot of what is agreed-upon by private parties is wholly disconnected from what the law actually respects and cares about. EULAs are toilet paper until someone goes to court over them, and they have a poor durability when it comes to consumers challenging their legality. No boilerplate garbage written by a hack attorney for international use is ever going to stand up to the myriad strange challenges you can launch from the various U.S. states and EU nations.
What class/race combo are you gonna roll when the official legacy servers come out?
I'm thinking of making a tauren shaman myself.
>>335941106
Blizzard want to personally hand them the court summons.
>Implying its not just a ruse
The FBI will snatch them up and this will be the last we hear of it.
>>335951620
On what charges?
>>335951582
I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm a Blizzard CEO, you're a programmer. Explain to me in a single paragraph why you think Vanilla servers are worth the time, effort, and manpower.
>>335951620
And why exactly would they invite Mark Kern, who is just one of their ex-employees that made a video, to this FBI operation?
I would laugh pretty hard if everyone involved with Nostalrius was arrested and charged with a massive SLAPP lawsuit, cucking all the other private server owners into shutting down for fear of the same fate.
>>335951612
Fuck you Koume
>>335951730
It would be a good ideological move that would probably make its money back
>>335951521
Steam won't shut down in your lifetime, so why do you care, you fucking retarded doomposter?
>>335951730
Because the person in question thinks the money you make off subs will be more than the cost to develop it. are you retarded?
>>335951592
Blizzard's terms of service say that violating their terms is copyright infringement. They've successfully used this in a court case (MDY vs Blizzard)
>b-but that's just America
A lot of countries share copyright laws. There are several international copyright treaties and whether or not this can be legally used in your country depends on which treaties your country is party to.
>>335951592
Davidson & Associates, doing business as Blizzard Entertainment, Inc.; Vivendi Universal, Inc. v. Tim Jung and Rob Crittenden
FOR FUCKS SAKE, YOU FUCKING RETARDS
THEY WILL NOT GET ARRESTED
THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING THAT WOULD WARRANT AN ARREST
THEY HAVEN'T MAK
DE A PROFIT AND THEY COMPLIED WITH THE CEASE AND DESIST LETTER
NOTHING CAN AND WILL HAPPEN TO THEM
STOP BEING SUCH FUCKING MONGOLOID DOLTS
>>335950710
I just like to hate things
>>335950634
I always dreaded the day that the games someone grew up with would include an MMO. Most nostalgia gogglers can just boot up their SNES/Genesis and get their kicks that way, but since this medium is different you guys have to resort to raising hell and playing the victim to get what you want.
Things change, get over it and move on.
>>335951923
And what makes you think it would be better to invest money from subs into an archaic version of the game instead of using the money to improve other areas?
>>335952049
someone forgot to take their ritalin today
>>335948973
He said something about this? They seem to avoid the topic entirely in the podcasts
>>335951923
But the only proof we have to go on people would play vanilla is a free server. If anything it shows we should make WoW f2p
>>335951809
You know that i exactly what Blizzard is going to do. Make those frogs go all the way to blizzard campus, and slap them with a lawsuit because the frogs were retarded enough to make public claims that they were going to release the server client so everyone could host a server, or possibly move the server to another country.
>Do illegal shit
>get C&D
>stop, but tell them you'll just do it again in another country
>>335946524
all wow versions, vanila, tbc, wotlk, cata, mop are available for free
>>335952186
KOUME YOU'RE NOT FUCKING CUTE
>>335952093
You're literally not even making an argument any more. I guess you're entitled to your opinion but if people want something they have the right to ask for it, and it's usually a good idea for companies that want to make a profit to listen to their customers.
>>335952049
Piracy and fraud is illegal.
Stopping with your illegal conduct does not erase your past crimes.
>>335952125
People like free shit. They'll play shitty free games to fill their time just because it's free.
>>335952093
>get over it and move on
why?
>>335952094
Because the current game is too different from what the target audience says they want. Introducing sweeping changes to current WoW would be so messy and risky that releasing a version of a game which was already finished is easier and more risk averse.
>>335952262
people dont know what they want. They think they do, but they dont.
They constantly beg for pc ports, and when they happen, they never buy them.
>>335952262
He knows that, he's just being a contrarian faggot. Ignore him.
>Any guesses what the announcement might be?
Blizzard shills them "pristine servers" and pays them off to go along with it so the head of this vanilla movement dies.
It's not what I want to happen, but it's what will happen.
>>335952125
Vanilla free servers hit almost 1 million users and would have within the month if they weren't shut down.
Current version free servers are so unpopular people don't even bother running them.
If it was just the fact that it was free, why would people specifically flock to one version of the game? Shouldn't WotLK, Cataclysm, MoP private servers also be popular if people just want to play the game for free? After all, those are the "better" versions of the game since they're newer.
>>335950053
>If the community tells you to fix your stupid EULA, then you should fix it.
>community tells you to fix
You should take a basic business and law class. You really have no damn clue how the law works and what companies do to protect themselfs.
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> vanilla WoW operators invited to Blizzard HQ
> Blizzard-endorsed Legacy servers released
> Blizzdrones on suicide watch
> mfw
Where were you when WoW was saved, /v/?
>>335952348
So let's improve the current game into what they want instead of making another. You're just not getting it.
>>335952430
>They think they do, but they dont.
Oh, I see. You got me good there.
>>335952286
IT IS NOT FUCKING PIRACY YOU FUCKING RETARD
>>335952539
>So let's improve the current game into what they want instead of making another. You're just not getting it.
OBVIOUSLY, this is not happening and not going to happen.
You're fired btw.
>>335941328
>Campus
Not him, but there is a good chance it is SJW shit, I enter to work part time teaching CS, there are a lot of women there who got in there in part thanks to a lot of fundraising to put women into STEM studies, most of them flat out don't care for it and whine a lot.
Chances are that it will be about diversity.
>>335943053
fuck nah bro
>>335952528
Simply look at sales numbers.
They're pathetic.
Pristine servers can be a move in the right direction but still would be shit.
There is no fun in levelling.
Quests are easy as shit.
Dungeons are easy as shit.
Levelling is fast as shit.
The best thing would be going back to TBC with graphics UI and balance updates.
>>335952642
you should lookup the word campus
>>335952262
The difference here is that instead of politely asking for it you guys are essentially an angry internet mob.
My point is that it's sad that people have to resort to that shit to get what they want instead of being civilized human beings. I couldn't care less if it was a video game or your right to eat mangos on a tuesday....mob tactics make everyone look fucking stupid and I'm tired of seeing people resort to stupid because they're pissed off that they're not above rules.
>>335952336
Because there's more to this world than a game that came and went 10 years ago.
>>335952539
Vanilla WoW is a fundamentally different game and if the ratio of money spend to quality of game was linear indie games wouldn't exist.
>>335952597
Except it is.
You're unlawfully using blizzard art assets.
>>335952635
No YOU'RE fired. Because you have yet to convince me that it's worth the effort.
>>335941106
"You're all under arrest :)"
>>335952642
That's it, I'm out. You're all idiots.
>>335952768
Aren't they using all of Blizzard's assets in WoW?
>>335952727
>My point is that it's sad that people have to resort to that shit
What shit? Putting your name on a petition? Making a Youtube video? Oh the humanity!!!
Can i get a Captain please.
Not sure what's happening here.
>>335952642
Damn you're dumb. Referring to their offices and dining spaces as a campus does not make it some college shithole.
>>335951730
1- make a poll
2- ???
3- objective facts
Or you know, just look at the nostalrius statistics.
Hell, the only reason they shut it down is because it was being a threat to their margin, which in turn MUST mean that it is worth money (namely that amount of money which loss can be attributed to the existence of nostalrius).
>>335952869
More like spamming their forums with hate and death threats.
>>335952727
>Because there's more to this world than a game that came and went 10 years ago.
Who the fuck are you to decide what to do with my life?
>>335949434
>Oh wow, I don't think /v/ knows how capitalism works
This is correct
/v/ is literally not a consumer, look at the number of mexifails, and other scum on /v/. It is not a coincidence /v/ greatest hits are easy to pirate.
>/v/ on piracy
>ayy lmao cry more faggot, it is not my fault you cannot protect your shit, lr2 code :^)
>DENUVO IS LITERALLY SATAN, MUH CONSUMER RIGHTS, DENUVO = NO MONEY FROM ME, PIRATE FIRST PAY SECOND, CORPORATIONS ARE LITERALLY EVIL wojackgettingkekold.jpg
Do not expect this 3rd world board to know how economy works, most of these faggots have never hold a $100 Bill, much less a job. It is already amazing to learn some people here even passed through college.
>>335953068
Post some examples.
>>335953061
>1- make a poll
How do you make sure no one votes multiple times?
How do you make sure those who vote would actually subscribe to your services?
> Or you know, just look at the nostalrius statistics.
How do you know these are accurate?
>>335952712
>>335952827
>>335953003
Bait'd hard.
B^)
>>335952690
>There is no fun in levelling.
>Quests are easy as shit.
>Dungeons are easy as shit.
>Levelling is fast as shit.
Because of Heirlooms, shared exp, LFD (people just queue and queue and queue).
Fucking idiot.
>>335952870
Dragons dogma pc port sold 200k despite pcucks constantly begging for a port claiming they'd all buy it.
>>335952768
You know what, go fuck yourself. I'm not going to argue with you when you have obviously no idea how the cease and desist procedure works.
Educate yourself, you imbecile.
>>335953083
Nobody, I just think you're kind of pathetic for not being able to move on.
>>335953160
They got deleted by the forum admins within minutes
They will just get hired by Blizz. They will be offered a good paycheck and they will accept it.
>>335953181
>How do you make sure no one votes multiple times?
Vote limited to account. It doesn't matter if 20 accounts belong to the same person in that scenario.
Shit thread /v/
Fuck you
>>335951730
All we have to do is host one single extra server, dump some 10 year old version of the game on it that we've had stashed away all this time, and we bring more people into the game. Lure the vanillafags back in, and/or make is a seperate subscripti9n from the current WoW.
Again, all we have to do is dump some ancient code onto one single server and we've done most of the heavy lifting. No balance patches or anything. Just one extra server for the unpaid interns from the technical college to maintain.
You said minimal effort games like Hearthstone look promising, what could be more minimal effort than this?seriously, it's a mystery why they haven't done this yet
>>335953295
I literally have no idea who are these guys, also blizz does cycle through talent.
>>335943053
yeh
>>335953265
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/dragon-s-dogma-dark-arisen-is-capcom-s-fastest-selling-pc-game/0162379
>>335945167
Nigger, if you make something and then completely stop responding to what your customers want, don't expect that people will just leave it there. Others will iterate on it or keep developing it.
>>335953061
Polls could work. But:
>>335953181
>How do you know these are accurate?
Is right. I'm giving him a raise. Nostalrius was a free server. How can we be absolutely sure that people are going to buy into it? I would assume that many people played it just because it was free.
>yfw they do Legacy Servers and STILL fuck it up.
they'll give them a tour of the place and a goodie bag full of swag and say "thanks for your input" and make a blog post saying "we have heard the community's ideas and will take them into consideration, see guys we care okay?"
>>335953430
Then they should make their own game instead of using someone else's assets.
If you guys seriously want the vanilla wow experience, then go make a new MMO that caters to all of your specific wants and needs and do it legally so nobody can boss you around.
>>335953470
Because of utility theory and the pserver landscape.
>>335953360
Asking people to download an old version of the game that isn't connected to the bnet client etc. just looks bad. Their login servers probably are so different now they couldn't easily integrate them without at least writing some software to copy their current user database into the old system. Legacy servers are never going to be pure unpatched 1.11, that's not something a 20 billion dollar company does.
>>335953360
I don't see it as a mystery at all.
I'm thinking, they calculated how much money they can get from people subscribing to their vanilla service.
Then they calculate how much money they'll lose (for example, if 1 sub = play either retail or vanilla, then vanillafags won't buy the future expansions), or the damage caused to their brand.
Subtract one with the other, and someone figured out they'd lose more than they get. Never assume malice when greed is a more likely ansewr.
>>335953648
>If you guys seriously want the vanilla wow experience, then go make a new MMO that caters to all of your specific wants and needs and do it legally so nobody can boss you around.
That's precisely as illegal as making a wow pserver, retard.
>>335953648
>then go make a new MMO that caters to all of your specific wants and needs
Hello ;)
>>335953470
The Nost statistics don't matter. Anyone active on any private server would probably rather play official legacy servers than their buggy polish shitholes. Even if they lost money developing legacy servers there would be hundreds of thousands of people tricked into thinking that Blizzard really cares about them and their retarded petition, and then wouldn't be opposed to buying more Blizzware in the future. Imagine the shill producing "we did it Reddit!" threads that would be spammed everywhere.
>>335953804
How is making a new game with new assets illegal? Enlighten me
>>335953834
And it bombed hard. Really sad too because it was genuinely a good game.
>>335953426
The keyword being "Capcom's fastest selling"
Which means literally nothing considering they dont make PC games apart from ports.
Meanwhile, in actual factual evidence land
http://steamspy.com/app/367500
>>335952768
Okay dude I don't think you know what piracy is
>>335953917
>How is making a new game with new assets illegal? Enlighten me
If the mechanics are too similar, then it is a violation of IP rights. Fucking inform yourself, inbred.
>>335952094
>>>>>instead
what? As long as vanilla makes enough money to pay for the server costwhich are probably covered by the players it would take to have a single raid guild on each faction, then every extra cent it makes goes towards live wow.
They never have to patch it. They never have to create new content. The whole appeal is that it's exactly like it was in 2006. Server hosting and maintenance are literally the only costs
If vanilla servers make money, then it benefits modern wow.
>>335953834
how dead is that? only enjoyed the housing and some raids,I connected at weird hours or there was a severe lack of players willing to do raids?but then dropped it
game will be ruined with terrible matchaming and MMR
needs to have a real solo q or shit will be even more toxic having to play with people and their shitter friends ignoring me
>>335953950
Ah yes, games that have been on sale for 2 burgerbucks ANd are also meme games have sold slightly more, but nothing really impressive.
Are you trying to discredit yourself here?
>>335953919
>“We are extremely pleased with the performance of Dragon’s Dogma: Dark Arisen. It is our fastest-selling PC title to date, thanks to an audience eagerly waiting for it, and us delivering to the level of quality gamers were expecting,” marketing director Antoine Molant told MCV.
Unless they are lying making money, the amount sold was acceptable.
>>335951060
>You're not entitled to being treated with friendliness
Then guess what, motherfucker, you aren't entitled to anyone's money.
If you can't get with the industry standard and be this uptight about your EULA, then guess what, you don't deserve a dime.
>>335953919
it's ok anon, go play your sub 20fps version :^)
>>335953992
I'm not him, but Google search returns:
>Software piracy is the illegal copying, distribution, or use of software
Sounds like running a WoW server without Blizzard's permission qualifies as "illegal use of software" to me.
Source: http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/piracy
>>335954117
reddit/r/wildstar
>>335954127
word
>>335953992
Piracy is stealing digital content that you do not have the rights to, and redistribute it for free.
Aka exactly what private servers do.
>>335954037
You cant copyright game mechanics, dipshit
>>335954128
>meme games
You really are running out of arguments.
>>335954228
The guys running the server weren't using Blizzard's software.
>>335953470
>Nostalrius was a free server. How can we be absolutely sure that people are going to buy into it? I would assume that many people played it just because it was free.
And that's why the only reason you're a CEO is because you pretend to be one. You're missing all these points:
a) many people playing it were overseas and had to deal with shitty ping,
b) game had nowhere near the quality original Vanilla had (such as working quests or stamped out bugs),
c) the threat of server shutdown was constantly looming over Nostalrius, putting people's accomplishments at risk with no warning,
d) worsening server stability as they couldn't keep up with the server's increase in population.
Despite all these shortcomings it was still THE most populated WoW server ever made, so don't give us this whole "it was popular because it was free" bullshit. There are other free servers out there, none as famous as Nost and not getting any close to its popularity.
>>335951403
He did take the bait, but German police didn't let him to go to US. Otherwise, he'd be fucked.
>>335954128
>I'm objectively wrong and can't even cherry pick well.
Face it, anon, 288k sales for a years-old game with next to no marketing isn't bad.
>>335954186
>you don't deserve a dime
Yet they're worth billions. That just goes to show that friendliness towards customers doesn't mean remotely as much as you think it does.
>>335954370
How did German police even find out that he was trying to go to the US?
>>335954295
Vanilla WoW doesn't actually exist, creating a private vanilla server isn't stealing anything.
And if corporations hadn't completely turned copyright law into a joke that only benefits the ultra wealthy and stops innovation I have no doubt the concept of a vanilla server would exist in the realm of fair use.
I love the idea of legacy servers but I mean it can't just be that simple right?
It's not like they can just flip a switch.
>>335954318
You're hosting WoW. Even if the server does not, the clients are all using the WoW software.
>>335954308
Yes, meme game.
>DOOD YOU DIDNT PLAY DURP SHILLS? WHAT ARE YOU SOME DIRTY CASUL?
>>335954295
You must be 18 or older to post here.
>>335954327
Cart before horse, dude. You're assuming, "this is so good, people are playing it even though it might go under", when "it's free, so I'm going to play it so who cares if my achieves got wiped, I don't have to pay for it" is equally likely.
>>335954540
So on what grounds are you going after the server owners? The users are the one doing something "illegal" (albeit I'm not sure not installing patches counts as illegal either). It's the same as emulating. Creating the emulator/reverse engineering the server is not illegal, it's what other people do with it that is.
>>335954482
You're stealing blizzard art assets and using them as your own.
Keep pretending you know what you're on about tho.
>>335954567
>cite's dragon's dogma
>lel dark souls is meme game
Reminder to report and hide console flamewar babs.
>>335953470
Nostalrius was a free server but it still made more than enough money to cover hosting costs off of fucking donations and shit.
If Blizzard can't make money off of making their own vanilla server then they're retarded.
>>335954652
>cherrypicking this hard
>>335954686
The private server hosts are not using any Blizzard assets. They're using a black box reimplementation of the server.
>>335954678
>The users are the one doing something "illegal"
The server owners are facilitating the illegal usage. I'm really surprised that I have to point this out.
>>335954567
Does it apparently being a "memegame" in your opinion just discredit all the sales then?
You're a stupid motherfucker and you can't argue for shit. Bye.
>>335954834
> I refuse to ever admit that valid points of view that opposes mine exists
You have to be 18 years or older to post here
>>335954837
And the emulator writers are facilitating the illegal usage of downloaded ROMs and ISOs.
>>335941106
Its obvious. Nost kows something about computers and blizzard want to offer them a job as janitors.
blizzard just gifted me warlords of something and seven days of game time
they are the good guys, you too should think so and get some free games
>>335954037
By your logic every MMO to come out since wow is in violation of IP rights then since every fucking thing has tried to copy it in some capacity.
>>335954652
How would you know that?
>>335954936
It's next to impossible to police that since those are offline....you're just reaching at this point
>>335954998
I don't, no more than the guy I'm replying to knows for sure his opinion is correct.
>>335946307
>enjoying legion
you were convincing until this, too obvious
>>335955080
You still know who wrote the emulator. If the facilitator is the criminal, shutting them down would be easy.
>We've decided to announce legacy servers
>B-but you can also buy the new expansion too!
Legion is going to flop.
>>335955197
And that is why bleem! is successfully sued by Sony. What are you trying to say here? Do you think PCSX2 was made with Sony's blessing?
>>335954916
So you know the rules. Why do you break them willingly then?
>>335955225
If there's going to be legacy servers they're AT LEAST a year out, plenty of time for the usual expansion spike.
>>335955197
And nobody is going to care since they already have their free game. This is different because if the originator doesn't exist then the game doesn't exist.
>>335955225
>buy our new expansion for the additional "classic server" content
>"classic server" content costs 25 dollars a month but comes with a normal sub as well
its going to happen
>>335953678
So add a wowclassic download to bnet, problem solved. No need to use the new authentication, the old code is still backed up somewhere, just use that and have people log in the same way it used to work
Still minimal effort
>>335954958
Why do you think none of them copied the mechanics 1:1, nigger?
>>335955313
Bleem was a for-profit company.
>>335955104
You don't know what an opinion is, it seems. At any rate, we both don't know for sure, yet I easily provided 4 reasonable arguments to your just one.
Not to mention there still is a considerable interest in WoW as the mere promises of unfucking the game skyrocketed the sub number back into 10 million, which very quickly died down and been on the decline when it turned out these promises were unfulfilled.
>>335954854
Yes, sales due to peer pressure.
I don't understand why doesn't blizzard just license it out to ONLY the nost devs? Have them charge 15/month, and take 10/month.
Hell they could probably take the whole 15, Nost said they would run it for free.
Literally nothing of harm can come from this. They put no work in.
>>335955454
the moment your charcter shadowstep/blinks behind an npc and gets stuck on the wall there's going to be no end to your cuckcries of bullshit as the game masters cannot help you.
>>335955454
The login server needs to connect to a database server. The format of the database server may be completely different after battle.net than it was back then.
>>335955378
That's cute.
>>335955475
>You don't know what an opinion is, it seems
I do. Which is why I said, "your opinion might be correct, or it might not". Now the question is, do you know what an "opinion" is, or are you struck in the mindset that "my opinion = fact"?
>>335955475
>when it turned out these promises were unfulfilled.
Those promises are "faster patch cycles", not "more Vanilla servers". This is not an opinion.
>>335955571
Because when people start paying for things they demand support and quality control, and allowing a third-party to tarnish your branding is dumb.
They've been arrested.
>>335954686
They're using the stuff that's on the disc you bought. Are you saying you're not allowed to install the data on the disc you bought? Because you would be wrong.
You seem to be confusing the exploitation of a corrupt copyright system by a billion dollar publisher to shut down free market competition with "stealing".
A private server doesn't "Steal" anything, whether its code or bandwidth or music.
>check official forums to see their opinions about this
>its all just crying over flying not being accessible immediately in Legion
god there isnt a playerbase in the world more disgustingly casual than these people
>>335954678
>>335954837
see >>335948886
both the users and server owners are committing willing copyright infringement, which is a criminal offense. The only difference is that going after every player isn't as valuable a use of time, money, or effort as the server owners
NOST HAS STILL NOT RELEASED THE SOURCE CODE OR THE CHARACTER DATA THEY PROMISED ON THE 10TH
WHAT ARE THEY DOING, ITS NOT LIKE THEY'RE FUCKING BUSY
>>335955473
Honest question: did the Nost devs ever registered their "company" as a charity or educational organization? Because if I'm not mistaken, anything apart from the two above are considered "for profit" even if you don't make any.
>>335955759
The stuff on that disc does not work without connecting to Blizzard's servers. You agreed to that rule when you click on the "I accept" button when installing the game.
>>335955759
You dont own the content on the disk, merely the physical disk itself.
You do not have the right to do as you please with the blizzard assets stored on that disk.
>>335954476
Have you ever left your country?
>>335955384
i would have thought so before this also, but there is a chance its planned on being bundled with legion. Legion is getting nowhere near the amount of hype that WoD got. There will still be a spike for sure but I suspect it will be a much smaller spike and people will stick around for less time.
Also the movie looks like shit and that isn't going to be the big help they were hoping for.
My current theory is legacy gets announced, bundles with Legion, but won't be at legion release.
>>335954476
I'm more interested in what kind of brain fart caused him to call Valve and ask if they were impressed, giving his real name and all.
I read that the investigation was going nowhere by then, so he obviously started off taking steps to keep anonimity.
>>335955664
Many years ago (take a hint kid) I had a lesson in press articles where I had to discern facts from opinions.
>many people playing it were overseas and had to deal with shitty ping,
>game had nowhere near the quality original Vanilla had (such as working quests or stamped out bugs),
>the threat of server shutdown was constantly looming over Nostalrius, putting people's accomplishments at risk with no warning,
>worsening server stability as they couldn't keep up with the server's increase in population.
Now tell me: are these facts or opinions?
>Those promises are "faster patch cycles", not "more Vanilla servers". This is not an opinion.
Nice opinion you got there. And again, do you have any more arguments or are you just going to concede that I made more points than you did?
>>335955691
>tarnish
you know how smoothly nost ran? yea they're were bugs, so they get more devs in once they actually get the license. there's still bugs in retail wow right now
>>335955759
you're within your rights to install the game
however, if you modify files to access a third party server then your license to the game is void and, in wow's case, you've knowingly committed copyright infringement
>>335955462
Again...make a new game with new assets and different enough mechanics that caters to your needs, and nobody will be able to do anything about it.
>>335948886
>implying I ever agreed to any terms of service
Prove that in court, idiot blizzdrone poster
>>335956072
and theres an army of 300 customer support game masters that answer an average of 10 thousand tickets a day
>>335942815
They didnt need them to do the server in the first place...
>>335956072
>nost
>smooth
Sure kid.
Who are you fooling btw?
There where a shitload of bugs that never got fixed, like over 200k, literally
The server was dogshit, even when they reduced your view distance to 3 feet and covered everything else in a fogfilter.
I thought this was azeroth, not Bejing where everything is obscured by smog
>>335956274
yeah its doing real well right now
>>335956146
>just make a vanilla server that's completely different from vanilla so it can be exactly like vanilla!
Top kek, shill. Top kek.
>>335956132
Wrong, you're not allowed to install the game without agreeing to blizzards ToS.
Installing it is an automatic agreement.
>>335956061
Oh you stupid child. THIS is your opinion:
> it was still THE most populated WoW server ever made, so don't give us this whole "it was popular because it was free" bullshit. There are other free servers out there, none as famous as Nost and not getting any close to its popularity.
You are assuming that it's popular because of the four reasons you put, which, absent some sort of proof, would make it just your opinion. And no, the four things you stated aren't strong enough evidence.
You know what would be? If they remove the "free" from the equation - that is, to charge money to play - and then measure the population. If there's no huge drop, then obviously price is not an issue.
Be thankful I'm teaching you basic science methodology.
>>335956147
You can't install the game client without agreeing to the ToS.
>>335941106
Better nothing! I ain't paying for shit anymore to those bastards and I already leveled another fucking character on Kronos.
>>335945167
>People want a service
>Company starts to provide it
Your rage is kinda silly and childish anon
>>335956449
You're not even trying at this point.
Wildstar did exactly what I'm suggesting and people hated it because all of the archaic things from old wow like attunements and farming requirements came back...yet everyone wants vanilla wow.
People need to face the fact that they're not going to get that exact game back. If they want something that offers a similar experience then go make it.
>>335956468
Not sure if retarded or just pretending.
>>335945167
>le what is demand
>>335956773
I know you're not pretending. Don't worry 'lil fella.
>>335956815
a miserable pile of secrets
>>335942451
LMAO
>>335956881
People have always been legally able to replace the discontinued official servers for online-only games. Vanilla WoW and post-cataclysm WoW are essentially different games, with the former's official servers not existing.
>>335956927
>rebuttles
>>335951620
The fbi is the most jewish agency around.
Anti american as fuck
>>335956972
>>335956881
So you don't have a point to make, got it.
>>335953232
Thats too.
But wandering elites go away.
Mobs giving you hard time or even killed you go away. Now you can kill them in few hits and tank few of them.
I levelled paladin in Cata by doing dungeons and you can solo most of them(no heirlooms) or at best need healer or one dps. I Get to 60 and try to play TBC only but game changed.
Levelling is so fast that you hardly even know the area.
Fuck if I know, there is no reason to invite them over unless they actually plan on moving forward with Vanilla servers.
But they said that it wasn't really an option, so I don't know why they need to physically meet these guys other than PR.
I just have this mental image of a bunch of fat sweating frogs walking into Blizzard HQ thinking that they are gonna get the job of their dreams to officially run a legacy server.
Then they walk into a board room with a baker's dozen of stone faced lawyers, each armed with a briefcase full of subpoenas.
>>335941106
Blizzard announces new beheading video feat. Nostalrius devs.
>>335952521
>Nostcucks give their money to big bad papa blizzard
>Millions of accounts are made for legacy servers
>only 20% of them will remain after the first month
>blizzard realizes they shouldn't have catered to the autistic neck beards who can't let go of a 10 year old game
It's gonna be great.
>>335956468
Every argument I put up can be backed by sources. The popularity, presence of overseas players, bugs, massive login queues and people grouping up just to get quest drops that were otherwise unattainable due to number of mob spawn campers. The data has been collected and released by Nost, I just didn't have the foresight to download it because I didn't predict so many retards would try to revel in Nostalrius' demise. Most of that data is still accessible, especially the claims that Nost housed more players than any other server, official or private.
You know what can't be backed up like that? Your claim that the only reason Nost got so popular was because it's free.
You know why you can't prove that? Because nobody did any assessments, no official polls, no questions towards the community. Blizzard has its reasons to not release legacy servers but they clash with the customers' wishes. This is nothing new, it's just the latter started to get more and more voices.
If you really want to act condescending, make it in a way that doesn't make you look like a retard.
>>335941106
pristine servers sound interesting, i would be interested in playing on one.
>>335957151
To personally hand them a court summons for intending to release an illegal private server client or implying they would simply proceed with nost in another country.
>>335953232
>>335957110
>>335952690
You guys are such morons that have no idea what you're talking about.
No one ever liked Vanilla leveling. It wasn't challenging, it wasn't interesting, it was just killing things slowly and drinking/eating after every mob. Just time consuming. The people who romanticize Vanilla leveling of all things are doing it off pure nostalgia or contrarianism.
>>335957330
>>only 20% of accounts will remain after the first month
this is what will happen with Legion though
>>335957330
Cute """"prediction""""
You're as funny as the underage who post on /biz/.
>>335953269
>ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?
>>335957427
If Blizzard gives the option for legacy servers about 80% of the game's population will move to it and completely ignore Legion and all future content.
>>335941106
"The Nostalrius devs died in a tragic bus accident."
>>335957398
no its the people on pvp servers who enjoyed it.
low level pvp while leveling was fun in vanilla wow. Someone starts something then you call your friends and a mini war happens.
>>335957259
So you have had a what, power fantasy? That displays the mentality of a 9 year old?
I'm sorry, what exactly did you try to prove here?
>>335952521
>Blizzard makes a service fans have been asking for
>this makes fans blizzard suicidal
>confused nick young edit #4431.jpg
>>335955892
DELETE THIS
>>335957398
>it wasnt challenging
it sure as hell was, pulling 2 mobs was rough, 3 was death. Never mind if they were elite
>it wasn't interesting
again, figuring out how to get through a quest was interesting. It was like a puzzle sometimes
>drinking/eating was just time consuming
drinking maybe, but eating is the natural result of a higher difficulty, which is fine.
>>335955892
Selling it to Blizzard instead.
>the partition actually did something
>i didn't sign it cause partitions don't work
>>335957151
It's a good PR move, pretending (or not) to listen to the community and looking less arrogant. Perhaps they'd be interested in getting to know how they patched up the game to modern standards, provided Blizzard indeed lost all the older data.
>>335957754
You can still sign it.
>>335941106
pristine realm
turn off all leveling acceleration including
>character transfers,
>heirloom gear,
>character boosts,
>Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, >access to cross realm zones,
>as well as group finder
sounds good. would prob sub again for this.
>>335957754
>partitioning your hard drive
>>335957652
that doesn't sound challanging that just sounds boring as fuck
if pulling 3 mobs required interrupts/optimal cd's/what ever else yeah, but the fact that you just get killed no matter what makes everything super tedious
>>335957847
doesn't address end game issues nor general player power vs world mob
>>335952642
Lmfao you fucking retard
>>335957847
The game is still broken because at low levels skills deal enough damage to one shot everything and even if you only quest you outlevel all the quests before you're even close to finishing a zone
>>335954228
>use of software
As in, using a product you didn't pay for, like torrenting. Its not what you do with the product.
>>335957569
Thinking what's probably gonna happen makes me have the mentality of a 9 year old? Wouldn't that be better suited to the ones going "BLIZZDRONES/NOSTKEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH TOP KEK LMAO REKTED XD"
>>335957847
Why would you want to play WoD except slower?
It's not harder. Everything is still the same. You'll still be stuck in your garrison all day.
>>335954295
But thats not what private servers do at all.
You still have to pay to play WoW, you aren't getting anything for free
>>335957847
Its not really a good replacement for Legacy servers though.
I want to play Vanilla content for the old questing zones and raids, not because there weren't as many quality of life features.
>>335957997
I want to berry my face between those thighs
>>335956467
>>335956468
You don't actually need to install anything to run a private server, cucks.
>>335957974
>>335957931
this is true actually. last time i played i only lasted 10 mins because the early game was so dreadfully boring it was so push over.
They would need to overhaul that for me to play on any sort of retail wow server.
>>335957786
>so you guys know how to add modding tools and host servers on completely proprietary and unique game/server engines?
Yes! We built the tech for notstralius all by ourselves.
>Would you guys be able to make complete modding tools and purchasable servers for customers if we gave you complete access to our engine source?
Of course! We would be glad to make vanilla wow servers!
>WoW? I'm afraid you must be mistaken.I'd be completely fine with that
>>335950053
spotted the bernie cuck
>>335958128
I want to apple my fist to your face
>>335947118
>12 hours
you're either lying or retarded
it takes waaaaay less time to hit 90-100...
if you leave all the bonus objectives about to be complete then drink a pot and complete them all at once it takes just a few hours if not less
12 hours is enough to do it with no xp boosts
>>335950392
>This is what pc cucks actually believe
>>335955892
Probably an agreement with Blizzard or something
>>335950053
>some shitty internet celeb tells a multi billion dollar company what to do
that's not how business works you fuck face
it's not about fixing the agreement, companies can lose their rights to their property if they don't protect it dipshit
>>335958165
exactly
stuff like casters fucking you up if you dont interrupt and just general damage compared to player damage and healing
even without heirlooms you scale far harder than mobs
>>335958063
Your description was the equivalent of a kid sitting in a playground angrily mashing dolls against each other, screaming his lungs out.
Not to mention the completely unfounded belief the people invited there would be sued for anything. Other, smarter people already pointed out there's no grounds for a lawsuit, why not listen to them instead of indulging in your shitty fantasies?
>>335955907
I didn't agree to anything blizzdrones, I copied the assets off the disc ;)
checkmate corporate whores
>>335955928
You have the right to content shift, as has been proven in court, ie you can rip the data off a disc and use it how you want.
>>335950053
TB is entirely against nostalrius/private servers in general.
Jontron is an autistic retard who let emotion take over half his argument, thats a terrible choice.
I don't know about boogie, I tend to not listen to human pigs.
>>335957921
As a paladin I could deal with 3 guys because PLATE N HEALZ. A frost mage would have no trouble ccing them and nuking slightly out of range, not to mention polymorphing some. Lock could fear them. Hunters were also great at those things between slows, pet aggro and traps.
Rogues would have to vanish and try again after sapping someone. Sub 60 Warriors would most likely get fucked, same as Priests. Druids were a mixed bag depending on spec but I suppose rooting someone then popping bear for to kill the rest would suffice. Enh Shamans, I suppose, would be the same as paladins, only more dmg and less survivability but with access to kiting.
Has there been any actual discussion about why it would be hard to properly implement a classical server?
Ignoring legal issues aside, it seems like it'd be a pretty daunting task. It's not just using their old server scripts, you'd have to implement all of the btag shenanigans along with hiring extra personnel.
You can't just say every single player on nost would play a retail classical wow which brings me to my next point. How would subscriptions be handled? Would they go with a more runescape approach or would they have a seperate sub for classical servers? IMO runescape is a special case as RS3 and RS2 are literally getting to the point of being uncomparable. We also don't even know if blizzard still has the source code.
Theres a lot of if's in this entire situation that I feel like arent being asked nor answered and its worrying me, it's not like the things im asking are really super secret or anything.
>wanting to go back to a point in time where Dwarves couldn't be every class except Druid
>>335958865
Version control software has been common in software development for like 20 years. Mostly when you hear horror stories like silent hill HD is because the company is defunct.
Retail is better than bugged private servers of old expansions (maybe except for Nostalrius as many people say, but I've never played it really), even if it feels like a co-op game right now.
>>335958976
Allowing dwarves and tauren to be shaman and paladins was one of the only good things to come out of cata. I'd have never rolled a paladin if I had to be an elf but I loved my Holy Cow.
>>335958976
troll shamans will happen before dwarf druids
masterrace wins mon
>>335958172
Actually, that's also a possibility... though I think Nost team had its own source of income already, didn't they? It was about fun first and foremost.
>>335959165
>troll shamans
That sounds stupid as hell.
>>335941106
They get arrested. the meeting is a trap
>>335941106
More gullible than that German who leaked he HL2 files.
>>335959383
Wow good one, you're only like the 300th person to make this joke.
>>335959383
>>335959492
On what charges?
>>335959158
>Dwarf enhancement shaman
There's no more beautiful race/class combo
If only they'd add Wildhammer as a subrace so we could get some sweet tattoos
>>335959528
Piracy/cracking a licensed game.
>b-but they can't do that
It's their property they can do/claim whatever they want.
>>335959715
hell yea
>>335959715
>femdorf enh shaman
literally doesn't exist
>>335959715
>If only they'd add Wildhammer as a subrace so we could get some sweet tattoos
We need Brogre and Vrykul as playable races first.
>>335959757
Thats not how the law works at all faggot
>>335959715
Dwarven Shaman would be my first fucking pick if they'd make it so. It should've been that way in Vanilla, only I don't know who'd be the reasonable Horde Paladin pick, as I'm not too keen on the idea of Sunwalkers.
>>335941106
blizz has to let the nostalrius devs run a vanilla server its what everyone wants.
if they dont? then wow gos the way of the tortanic.
>>335959869
>femdorf
Literally doesn't exist
>>335959964
Undead paladins make more sense than Tauren paladins.
>>335959964
sunwalkers or troll paladins would make the most sense desu
>>335960046
Eh, they're more like Tauren Sun Druids, as opposed to Moon Druids.
>>335960046
>Sir Zeliek exists against his own will therefore every single undead in the game can be a devout holy warrior
>>335960009
i'm levelling a femdorf enhancement shaman right now, actually
i was gonna do femtroll but my server has zero horde raiding guilds
>>335959964
Undead
They can keep forcing that 'light hurts them' stuff but that never held water when they could already be holy priests since forever
>>335941106
Actiblizzard livestreaming executions.
>>335960230
Well shit....good for you man. We need less humans and elves in the world.
>>335960313
HOLY PRIEST IS GAMEPLAY MECHANICS ITS CANON THAT UNDEAD PRIESTS ARE ALL SHADOW AND TAKE DAMAGE FROM LIGHT
THEIR RACIAL WAS EVEN A SHADOW SPELL
STOP
>>335960046
>>335960313
Yeah, I can see that.
>>335960230
>mfw dual wielding Ironfoes
>>335960313
>The Cult of the Forgotten Shadow, a group considered heretical by most, believes that dark energy practitioners are just as vital to the survival of life and reality (which they call "the Shadow") as wielders of the Light. The cult preaches balance, mandating that shadow priests must never forget the dangers of falling too deep into the dark energies they manipulate, for it is often too hard to find one's way back to the Shadow from the deep reaches of the darkness.
You're right that sounds pretty Holy
>server gets shut down by blizzard. crushed. but blizzard gets in touch with my friends
>tell us they had to shut us down to protect their rights but that they were impressed by our accomplishments. ask if we would be interested in helping create a blizzard approved legacy server of some sort
>agree. hyped as fuck. so many private servers have been shut down or abandoned for no reason but finally a real blizzard server will cater to our needs
>pack my bags, go sit on my front step and wait for taxi to take me to airport
>cute girl from next door comes outside and sees me "whats with the bags are you leaving anon? you look so happy, what happened?"
>nows my chance to impress her. twiddle my beard seductively while i tell her about how my work in the private wow server industry is changing the face of gaming and i am being flown to the usa to meet with the executives, tell her i will write to her.
>"oh, hehe well have fun at.. your video game convention anon... i have to go, tell your mom i said hi"
>taxi arrives and takes me to airport, get on plane and before i know it I arrive in usa. totally hyped for the events to come
>take bus ride from airport to blizzard HQ
>get out of bus and congratulate each other for making it.
>look up at the blizzard HQ and see a big set of stairs leading to a large metal double door with a cute elf engraved on it, stand in awe for a few minutes
>waddle up the stairs and open the big double door
>Hear someone shout NOW! as a pack of police dogs burst from the door and cops from either side of the stairway burst through the bushes and pelt us with rubber bullets
>wet myself and ruin my classy pair of sweatpants
>bitten by dogs and bruised by rubber bullets a cop handcuffs me as another one sprays me with mace
>sentenced to 20 years in prison for theft and resisting arrest
>mom meats with blizzard executives to get them to agree to reduce my sentence. the executive Michael Morhaime meets the cute girl next door and they fall in love.
>>335960551
undead can be holy priests too, ya dingus.
>>335960414my other characters are a femhuman priest and a femnelf guardian druid
>>335960464
i'm looking forward to all the mildly amusing transmog opportunities once i levelcap after loremaster
>>335960684
only because locking a character out of a ton of spells would have been bad for gameplay
lorewise they cant
>>335960414
Don't worry I have 11 of them
12 when Demon Hunters come out since they can only be Elves :^)
>>335960921
>tfw Demon Hunters are going to make Blood Elves be >50% of the Horde population
>>335960565
you kill your enemies, they win tho?
>>335960739
...awwww
I'm horde only but most of my characters are undead or troll (troll hunter main).
My only elf is a warlock....they actually look good in robes casting spells.
>>335960921
>Demon hunters can only be elves
I know it's thematically appropriate but goddamnit there will be so many elves....it will be hell.
>>335960921
I'm pretty mad about the character limit. I might buy another account just to have more races of the same class.
Yes I have a problem, I love alts
>>335943053
leave
>>335961058
>it will be hell
don't tell me you're not prepared for it
>>335961058
if i played horde i'd probably roll femtroll guardian/undead priest, but my server has like two horde guilds total with any mythic progression whatsoever, and the only other server in my region that has players has like two alliance guilds with any mythic progression whatsoever
wtb frostmourne/barthilias merge
>>335961146
It'll basically be BC all over again just with 3 demon hunters in every lvling group.
What level do they start at anyway.
>>335961309
At this point they need to just merge realms entirely instead of doing this shit where people phase in and out according to zone pop.
>>335957151
Probably to discuss with them in depth about what the Nostralius guys had done, their progress, what was missing, HOW MUCH WORK BLIZZARD WOULD NEED TO PUT IN TO FINISH IT, etc. . To assess whether they believe it's worth their time to invest in Legacy servers. I believe in the end they will, and I also believe it'll go the same route as OSR with community polls to decide future direction and content, depending on whether they get enough players (which I also believe they will, and will be forced to add new servers). And I also believe it'll eventually develop into TBC and then Wotlk.
>>335953227
>says something retarded
>gets called out
>I was just pretending to be retarded!
I don't know why you try to defend yourself on an anonymous image board. It would have made no difference at all if you said what you did, or if you didn't reply. except that it makes you look like even more of a retard
>>335961464
they start at 100 and they have a tank spec, so it'll be 4 demon hunters in every dungeon group
i feel like it'd be good if they merged realms that had REALLY bad ally/horde ratios, frostmourne is like 400k/100k but there's a server with like 510k ally/10k horde
>>335941106
Can't smack the Brack.
>>335961690
>they start at 100
Dear god why.....it'll be hell on day one
>>335945167
>cries about developers potentially caving to popular demand
>is fine with the vast majority of developers creating games with little regard to what consumers want
How fucking retarded are you?
Nost PVE server was so perfect aside from being PVE. I miss it so much. I get too much lag playing on Kronos so I can't bother to play on it. Hopefully something new will pop up.
>>335946426
this wouldn't improve anything. The game is already shit. This wouldn't fix how garbage the new talents are and how there are no abilities anymore.
>>335961989
You're confusing popular with vocal minority.
I honestly wouldn't care if they weren't basically an angry mob of entitled brats.
>>335962191
They don't become an angry mob of entitled brats, just beacuse you say so, you fucking homosexual tumblr-viewing raging SJW faggot.
>>335962191
Where are your stats to prove it?
>my opinion is the only one that matters
I fucking hate SJW whores like this cunt.
>Waaah they're entitled brats
What makes you say so?
>Waaah because I say so waaaah
Jesus christ, fucking self absorbed retards
>>335962420
>>335962389
>>335962487
Average Bernie sanders voters here.
When he becomes president he'll fix everything and give you nost back.
>>335962617
Yeah, Bernie Sanders loves capitalism!!
>>335962617
>posts an image that ironically applies to all his own posts
Faggot
>>335963001
Argue intelligently with me then....because the way I see it you're always going to feel like you're entitled to a game that was never yours in the first place and I'm always going to think you're a whiny bitch for it. Until you come up with something other than what's in this thread our opinions wont change.
>>335962191
Who's to say this alleged silent majority of yours doesn't agree with the vocal minority? The vocal minority fallacy is often used when people feel they're outnumbered by their opposition.
Help me fill the 4 dead bodies
>>335963359
>2015
Fuck
>>335963248
Ok, someone with a point.
I'm not angry about people wanting a thing and I can't disprove your theory that more people who wont speak up may or may not want it, this is true. I personally feel like the "majority" could not care less and the only ones who actually want this (or rather, want something to bitch about) are the ones bitching.
What I'm mad about is that this sorry state of affairs has devolved into shit flinging and mob tactics. Why cant people find a civil way to get the things they want? Why not find an alternative to the wow of today that you hate instead of demanding something that the company obviously does not want to provide.
I understand that being an angry mob works (for all of the wrong reasons) but I'm just tired of fucking seeing it and wish our species could move past frothing at the mouth over everything they feel has wronged them and actually do something civil. This is just another thing on top of all of the other ingorant shit like the lgbt movement and black lives matter and I really wish it would stop.
tldr; I don't give a fuck about this topic, I'm just tired of angry mobs running rampant.
>>335963702
>Why cant people find a civil way to get the things they want?
Like signing a petition?
>>335963702
Well in this case, it's not the angry shitflinging people of the mob Blizzard is responding to. They're responding to Kern and the Nost devs, who have civilly presented Blizzard the demand for legacy servers by petition.
Don't be mistaken, these people you're referring to had no impact on Blizzard's judgement.
>>335964004
Have you seen the WoW forums/reddit subreddit where Blizzard is very active?
Have you gone on youtube?
Everything WoW related is now shit up with legacy discussion, it's so fucking annoying.
>>335963702
You couldn't admit you're a shill any clearer if you literally said so and attached proof.
>>335964097
Discussion is not "shitflinging" and "mob tactics". It's just people who want something expressing their opinion. You act like because Sodapoppin makes a video about wanting vanilla servers someone's fucking threatened to fly an airplane into your house.
>>335958689
>>talking shit about jontron
fucking dumb cunt lol
wow, check out this vid i found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEfhUJvn5rM
This dude posts videos once in awhile, the sound effect when he stealths fucking kills me.
https://youtu.be/PIwKg5cN_QA
