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Mark kern-
https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/72604 ... 64?lang=nl
Nost devs-
https://twitter.com/NostalBegins/status ... 9208529920
CONFIRMED!!! AW FUCK YEAH!!! BLIZZ LISTENED!
LEGACY SERVERS HERE WE COME BROS!!
So excited I fucked up the links, sorry mates.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Grummz/status/726049458471870464?lang=nl
https://mobile.twitter.com/NostalBegins/status/726049479208529920
>>335910324
BUMP PLS, THIS IS BIG.
Nost not offical?
>>335910239
DELETE THIS. RETAIL WOW IS PERFECT.
DELETE THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS.
I CAN TASTE THE TEARS OF ALL THE BLIZZSHILLS WHO ARE GETTING KEKED RIGHT NOW.
"IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" KEKEKEKEK
>Get to play Vanilla again when raiding is done for the week
Feels comfy.
>link goes nowhere
k lad
>>335910239
>Demon Hunter in that old vanilla picture
>Took them until now to make it a class
>>335912116
>i cant read the thread
>they announce pristine server
wait for it
>this is all a ploy to get the frogs arrested for copyright infringement
>>335912305
Then why would they invite the fat asian weeb?
It's all just a calculated shilling, good publicity before Legion launch to get maxinum coverage on front pages of gaming sites.
>>335910239
>>335910324
>Broken links
>Then fucking mobile links
WEW LADS
>>335912383
to make him watch while they slap on the cuffs
>phoneposting
>>335912116
2nd post artard.
>immediately post this on the official game forums
>no opinion or bias of any kind, just info
>immediately the thread is flooded with damage control and OP is downvoted
fuck yes
I dont know what I will love more
Playing Vanilla, or the salt from the Blizzdrones who dont like vanilla.
>>335912587
Blizzshills probably so assmad right now.
I wonder what tradechat has to say, that stupid cunt.
>>335912712
Was thinking the same thing
>>335910239
>https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/72604 ... 64?lang=nl
>https://twitter.com/NostalBegins/status ... 9208529920
>>335912750
Why would blizzard shills get mad on extra content in their game?
>>335912750
Literally zero mention.
HO LEE FUK
IT'S ACTUALLY
FUCKING
HAPPENING
>>335912587
>Blizz forums are reddit in a nutshell after the upboat system
Blizzard forums are home of fanboys and they are the king of manchildren. Threads are always le funny flirting threads instead of actual game discussion shits fucked.
>>335912886
Not him but there are plenty who are convinced Vanilla is the worst thing ever, and that Blizzard supporting vanilla would be the death of blizzard.
They really are that stupid.
>>335912886
>anti legacy blizzcuck "it will never happen, vanilla was garbage"
>blizz releases legacy
>anti legacy fags cry
>>335912886
Blizzard customers are at their happiest when they are paying as much as possible for as little as possible, giving them reason to cry as they continue endlessly shelling out money.
>>335912886
It threatens the legitimacy of their game and their pay2win nonsense if other people are playing a better/harder/less casual version of it on a legacy server.
EA did the exact same thing
The EXACT same thing
There was a shitstorm about origin and privacy concerns back when BF4 released. EA had a round-table with the instigators behind said shitstorm and coerced them to pedal back and release positive statements about EA
This is PR with no actual results
Don't be tricked yet again
>>335912587
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743744624
found you
We better get news tomorrow.
Why are none of you considering that Blizzard may be offering Nostalrius staff jobs for helping to develop future content and not legacy servers?
why are nostfags so toxic? You guys do realize the irony of calling somebody a blizzdrone then begging for the same chance to suck blizzard's cock, right?
Everyone wants legacy servers, it's how you argue that is so obnoxious
>>335913112
>Everyone wants legacy servers, it's how you argue that is so obnoxious
What the fuck are you talking about, retard?
>>335913112
>BLIZZKEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH LMOA HOW'S THAT COCK TASTE SHILL ROFLMFOA
>Blizzard does Legacy Server
>THANK YOU BASED BLIZZARD
>>335913112
>Everyone wants legacy servers
No they absolutely do fucking not. The Blizzard forums is filled with people convinced vanilla would be a catastrophe and no one wants it.
>>335912750
fuck off
Don't get your hopes up.
Legacy servers will only be a thing the moment the Blizzard anounces they will stop making content for WoW, wich is far from happening.
They will most likely discuss the situation, Blizzard will explain that they don't want to open that can of worms and Nostfags will get told.
Blizzard probably realized nostalgiafags are the only people who will still subscribe after the current Facebook game gets old to casuals.
>>335913226
Well yeah, the Blizzard forums are full of people other modern WoW players hate. Nobody but that shit hole likes that shit hole. Don't worry, when it is all said and done they will 180 and defend it to the death.
>>335913226
Because it would be
No dumbass in their right mind would literally pay a company to play an older version of an MMO that would never update
>>335913348
Thanks for proving my point
>>335913348
>No dumbass in their right mind would literally pay a company to play an older version of a game
this is you
So signing this petition did work after all.
And I don't even play WoW.
Have fun, lads.
This will just end in tears, won't it?
I mean, you don't seriously believe something will come off this, do you?
HYPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>335913084
Aand deleted
Guys, listen. I don't want to see you get hurt. Just treat this like E3 or a Nintendo Direct and don't expect much of anything.
>>335913226
>>335913198
The petition proves you wrong by default
Let's take the nost numbers again, if we assume it's true that 150k people played nost actively, the petition has now 250k signatures which means that there are more people who wants legacy servers than there were people who played on nost to begin wtih
Keep on cherrypicking your epic blizzard forum posts though, there is literally no reason for you to be so hateful.
>>335913525
I believe they'll have FBI agents waiting and Nostalrius devs will go to jail.
Kern's rent will be paid for a month to keep quiet about it.
>>335913645
Learn to read, all you did was agree with me idiot
>>335913645
do you really not believe those numbers are inflated from dummy accounts? people have admitted to spamming the petition with phony signatures to make it seem more legitimate. on top of that, the server was free, so you can't really assume it would be successful if blizzard made an official server but put it behind a paywall. there's simply no way to tell because the distribution model wasn't the same.
>>335913763
>Kern needing money
Kek.
>>335913645
>People spam signing the petition with fake names = real, paying people
top lel
>>335910239
>fighting a red dragon
For what purpose. Red dragons are bros.
>>335913907
>anyone who doesnt agree with me doesnt exist
Hello Tumblr!
>>335913850
Dunno, I've always wanted legacy servers, it would always give me something to do while not wanting to play retail. The point is that I've never liked nostfags, not because of them having fun with something but because they've been incredibly obnoxious. Just look at this thread and all the other threads spammed on /v/ now
and the ultimate irony is that they call their "opponents" blizzcusk and drones when they themselves want to suck blizzard's dick
Cognitive dissonance at it's best
> only nost players uses term blizzdrone
"blizzdrone" even "ea drone and biowaredrones" were a thing since 2009. In wow since mid-wotlk i think with most after cata heroics nerf.
/v/ hated blizz for fucking up sc2, d3 and wow long before nost even launched. Hell even wWoD hate started after le epic content patch with selfie. Shutting off nsotalrius were just another nail
>>335914025
the difference is they want to pay blizzard for something good, "blizzcucks" are happy paying for shit.
>>335913850
A vanilla server is a huge advertisement campaign.
>>335914250
>> only nost players uses term blizzdrone
That's true, no one else gave a shit until you guys started making multiple threads daily since nost got taken down. You even started shitposting in unrelated stuff like overwatch just because you were spiteful
>>335914341
There is no difference, and let's be honest, "stop liking what I don't like" is not an argument
>tfw number 148 in Kronos queue
>estimated wait time 170 minutes
Life sucks right now
>>335914390
I'm not a Nost player and I use "Blizzdrone," you fucking Blizzdrone.
![Wonder+loli+_225912b1d41f0fb876fea3f8d8a07ade[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/l3apTvn.png "Wonder+loli+ 225912b1d41f0fb876fea3f8d8a07ade[1]")
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>people actually think that anything will happen
>>335912886
>extra content
Would be nice, but development of legacy content would most likely come at the cost of development on the main game. Resources don't magically appear and I'd prefer to have as little cut from future expansions as possible, since Blizzard has a history of doing so already.
>>335914390
>blizzcucks in charge of reading comprehension
>>335914562
>>335914515
>again proving me right
anyway you sidestepped completely, I never said that "only nostfags uses blizzdrone"
Bear in mind that the meeting with Blizzard is not the announcement Nostalrius are teasing this weekend and that it'll be something different.
Having said that, holy shit this is big news in the debate. I hope legacy servers come out of this.
IT'S
FUKKEN
HAPPENING
>release vanilla wow
>have "seasons" where people level and play through old patched content as it used to be
>do this for every expansion and utilize unused capitol
> charge and extra fee on top of your wow sub so newfags dont feel forced to pay for it
>add incentive and achievements that reward you stuff in legion if you do it in Vanilla
There we go, everyone wins.
>>335914780
This I can see them doing and working well desu
>>335914718
>> only nost players uses term blizzdrone
>That's true, no one else gave a shit until you guys started making multiple threads
>I never said that"only nostfags uses blizzdrone"
>>335914780
>charge and extra fee on top of your wow sub so newfags dont feel forced to pay for it
Or just make it two separate sub options.
>>335914718
You literally did.
>>335914546
>Resources don't magically appear and I'd prefer to have as little cut from future expansions as possible, since Blizzard has a history of doing so already.
And I prefer a good game, like the one that we all used to love.
You just want a cuck game so you can prep your wifes bull while sitting in garrison.
>>335913850
I didn't sign the petition and I'd love a legacy server, so the numbers are in some ways under representitive of the population.
>>335914896
First of all you brought up the completely unrelated issue about only nostfags using slurs
Secondly, what I meant is that nobody really gave a shit to warrant tons of blizzard shitposting before nost got taken down, i.e. all of them are nostfags
Sure there's an occasional hurr durr blizzdrone when people post that image comparing d3 to diablo 2 and how much better d3 is, but never on this scale
>>335914918
But anon how would jew activision make your money? Thats all they really care about. If i were them i would force you to pay for wow, and this novelty of playing vanilla would be extra.
>>335915118
I'd say extremely over representative given there are more signatures than there were active Nost players, and you aren't even going to get the full brunt of those people because a good chunk of them were playing it because it is free.Still looking forward to it, if it happens.
>>335915309
>because a good chunk of them were playing it because it is free
Proofs?
I'd never play WoW, but I'd totally sign up if they rereleased vanilla. I'm assuming some sizable fraction of the old playerbase (at least a profitable fraction) would want to play as well, but I've seen very little aside from the petition in hard numbers.
>>335914918
If you think they will make two different sub options then you are massively deluded. They will simply unlock legacy servers if you have a subscription.
You are not going to get it cheaper, that is for damn sure.
Be honest.
Are you going to play on a vanilla server if they introduce it?
My answer is no.
>>335915436
you can't honestly believe a good amount of those people wouldn't play if they had to pay for it
>>335914967
>immediately jumping to cuck shit
It's fine if you don't want to have an actual discussion and just shit post.
There's no simple solution to the problem. Blizzard is a large company who has to balance between investors and their playerbase. Another problem stems from the fact that there are no outlying agreements for what a legacy server should contain. Graphics, transmog, Battle.net are all contested issues for the subject. Should the server have seasons? How should this be done if it were to be implemented?
Again, if you think it's as simple as plugging a server into a wall, you are underage or a fucking idiot.
>>335914780
>have "seasons" where people level and play through old patched content as it used to be
Diablo 2 is the best blueprint we have for this, and that game is super fucking old. Despite that it has a reasonable online community that still enjoys the same old grind even though no new content will ever be released.
>>335915482
No.
>>335915482
i might dabble from time to time, but otherwise probably not since it's not meant for casuals compared to modern MMO game design. one thing i don't miss about vanilla is dedicating half my life to reaching endgame and then maintaining it. a lot of people want the community from vanilla back because they don't have social lives irl.
>>335915482
Yes, but only if it's included in my sub at no extra cost
>>335915482
yes and i would pay for it
>>335915482
probably, if both versions are in the same subscription.
>>335915512
>you can't honestly believe a good amount of those people wouldn't play if they had to pay for it
It wasn't an option to pay, so how can we know?
The fact is that it was the only place offering that product or service, and it absolutely shit on any single retail server. Even if only half of the Nost players would pay, the number of people (like me) who don't like the idea of pirate servers but who would love to just play through vanilla one more time, is probably a substantial number.
>>335915767
>not subbing and playing on a private server
Oh boy since Vanilla is coming back I can go back to UD rogue and just casually style over everyone to remind them how unabalanced they were
>>335915482
why would i want to do again what i did 10 years ago?
fucking nostalriusfags are completely delusional
WHAT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN:
Nost devs will get paid a nice sum to get their public support for "pristine" servers.
Full PR mode engaged, Blizz will release pristine servers with latest trash xpac but with disabled group finder, no one will want to play on it, they will close the servers in a year.
>in b4 it's only a Vanilla server
>forced to still use shitty private server garbage if I want to play BC or WOTLK
>>335911396
I still don't understand this minor meme. What does this fix? It just makes crafted items more valuable. Makes people grind for mats more. Uhhhhhhh
>>335915845
It's not the idea of robbing blizz, it's that I don't want pirate code on my computer and I don't want what happened to Nost to kill my enthusiasm for OG WoW.
There are SO many issues that can be avoided by not requiring vanilla players to use pirate servers or other illegal means to play their game.
>>335915947
Lol no, the nost devs can't be bribed. They got this far all out of love for the game.
>>335915976
>blizzard/activision
>leaving that much money on the table
>2016
Say what you will about modern Blizz/Acti but holy fuck if they can RESELL YOU AN OLD EXPANSION they will gladly take your money if there's enough interest.
>>335915482
Probably not man. It's been over 10 years, and my priorities in life have changed
>>335915436
>Proofs?
I don't think it's difficult to imagine that a free game would have people trying it out just because it's free. It happens to literally every free game.
Fucking nostalrius poor faggots wasting Blizzards time.
Your childhood is fucking over you are not gonna relieve it. Go fucking kill yourselves losers
>>335915996
Just having Blizzard's stability is a huge win for them. A lot of private servers are hilariously broken in a lot of ways, even in dungeons and raids. Nost was the exception to the rule. That plus not having to torrent shit and also not having to worry if a C&D is going to come crashing down on the server, or if the population will die or if the people running it will get bored, is also a win.
I played private servers for BC and Lich King content but didn't play Nost because I typically knew how it was going to go, and I have friends who had the same viewpoint. It won't last, so why put in the hours?
Blizzard can still sell their retail game, having private servers can only be a win for them. New players on retail might stay subbed longer if there's legacy content to play (i.e. once they get bored of the shitty new xpacs), and legacy players might actually try out the new xpac just to see what it's like. I would probably be still subbed to retail if there was legacy shit to do.
>>335910239
OH BOY I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS
>legacy go live
>its not as big as people expect it to be
>less than 3k players
>L-LOL BLIZZARD GOT EPIC TROLLED ECKS DEE YOU GOT MEME'D ONthis is why we can't have nice things
>>335915482
Yes. I started in TBC and never really experienced vanilla outside of broken private servers.
>>335915482
No. Already did everything, and MMOs have turned people into worse people now so getting 40 people will be too much work.
Also the vanilla balance was garbage
>>335915309
>more signatures than Nost players
You didn't have to play on Nost to want a vanilla server that isn't subject to the whims of the random fucks running it.
>>335916087
Haha no, they are jews.
Did you not notice how the server was miraculously shut down after donations started getting low?
>>335916341
>implying everyone from Nost isn't going to play
If they allow people who have accounts already then.. shiet, everyone will come back.
If it ever goes live, will they update the server? Would they add new stuff? Would people legitimately keep playing for years with the same old content?
>>335910239
So what's the dream, the best case scenario for legacy servers, assuming they become a thing?
>Servers for each expansion with possible transfers from earlier to later (so you can just move to the Wrath server when you're done with TBC and so on)
>Server for Vanilla which mimics the updates along roughly the same timescale that they were released way back when. Includes updates for expansions (so after a few years it will change into a TBC server and so on) - possibly open another
>Legacy server is Vanilla with the latest patch for it, with frequent community polls for possible updates/changes that don't change the original feeling too much (pretty much like OSRS)
I want to see vanilla servers get so bored they start breaking the game and finding new tricks, like the equivalent of bunnyhopping.
>>335916472
I can vouch you many were multibotters.If you ever go to china and its chinese markets you would hear about it but its long gone
>>335915987
What doesn't it fix. The problem with the game is content and having absolutely no consequences. This provides stuff to do by making farming really interesting gear possible, and it provides demand because of permanent durability loss.
>>335915996
I agree (except for it being illegal if it's still being paid for through the sub). Modding/PS communities should just make games if there's any chance that they get C&D'd.
I don't know. This all seems a little to good to be true. It's definitely not going to pan out like I think it will. It still might suck. Remember this is 2016 blizzard not 2004/5 bilzzard we are talking about.
>>335915482
Not really. Vanilla had a lot of stupid design ideas and completly broken specs.The only good thing about it comparing to WoD is the feeling of community and togetherness, I find it much worse on all aspects besides that.
>>335910239
I will be suprised if they are gonna go for it. Dont care if i have to resub to play on that server.
>>335916573
>bunnyhopping
>WoW design where mobility is actually interesting
why do they have to meet?
>>335915482
Likely, but not to any great extent. It's going to be something I do on the side when I'm done with my Legion things for the week and while I'm not playing any other games.
Quite frankly I don't have the time to play Vanilla the way I would have when I was a teenager.
>>335914469
But that's the vanilla experience, anon. Don't tell me you don't enjoy it?
>>335915482
I would definitely gove it a try, i have 2 friends that were into nostral and 3 that were on the fence before it went down. Yes if they were involved inwould definitely give it a shot and ive always wanted to do aq40 in its prime.
Also the vanilla setting of Wow is at the series finest.
>Legacy server
>Requires a SEPARATE subscription, independent of the main game
>Account-wide shit is available here, including heirlooms and mounts
>The fun bugs are fixed, but new ones make the servers nigh unplayable
>Servers constantly crash because it's lowest on priority
>Leveling is faster than it was in the past
>They add an NPC to the main game called Nos'Talaris
>Talking to him prompts him to comment about how he misses the old days.
>>335916828
>Legacy server
>Not happening
This is all you need to write.
>>335915482
I might feel a slight urge, but i wouldn't want to play it without slight fixes.
>talent tweaking
Let's be honest, a good chunk of talents were worthless trash.
>bring in the transmog
I remember my warrior looking like a fucking clown in his DPS gear. I want to use that sexy lvl40 plate set for looks instead.
>honor system
This depends a bit on what patch they would bring Vanilla back in. If just before BC then fine, the system made sense at that point. But anything before and the honor system was absolute trash. Anyone claiming otherwise never held a high rank.
>>335916502
>>335916573
IM SCARED
I hope they at least put Blood elf in, Silvermoon must be the best thing about this shit show
>>335916828
I keep reading stuff like this but it's obvious Nostalrius and legacy servers were popular because people really enjoyed grinding their teeth on really tedious and difficult shit. Changing it would anger old players and fail to wrangle new ones.
>They aren't just throwing together some assets and slightly improved gameplay for WoW 2
Missed opportunity.
>>335916964
Backporting all this to vanilla would require more coding than an average new expansion.
And then there are all the exploits. They come out almost daily.
They would have to fix THOUSANDS of them.
You have no idea how much effort would it be to make a good vanilla server.
>>335916318
But there is a massive barrier to entry in getting access to a private server, it's not just automatic or easy.
>People still believe it will happen
Yeah and we also getting Starcraft Ghost and Lost Vikings sequel.
Reminds me of this one time i worked at Jack in the Box. Some dudes in suits were 'meeting' with this black hobo who kept a kids boombox to listen to radio and do crossword puzzles. Anyway these guys in suits were asking about intricate details about this hydro electric engineering blueprints. Hobo was given them advice and they kept on buying him food. Was the wierdest thing i ever saw. I imagine thats how the meeting with Mark Kern is going to go.
>>335915482
No. I play private servers because they are free.
>>335916573
We actually did this already
There were a few patches that allowed people to climb vertical objects by jumping into them at an angle, getting stuck somehow in the model and then repeating that until they reach the top.
It allowed people to climb things like the gates of SW or the large chapel.
Then there was the whole if you nudge yourself into this bit of wall and blink, you end up underneath Stormwind.
>>335917128
Anon, SC:Ghost was released a few weeks ago.
>>335917114
>But there is a massive barrier to entry
>Register an account on their page
>Copy paste their information over the default in the realmlist in notepad
Damn damn damn damn damn damn daaaaamn
>>335916573
Spelldamage Rogues are the future of Vanilla, no joke.
>>335913428
>A remake of a game that added new mechanics, areas and story =/= a server where you can play an older expansion of an mmo
>>335910239
Mark Kern is so desperate for work he is groveling back to Blizzard...
>>335916502
>Blizzard don't have to support the server by adding any content whatsoever
>It still prints money and appeases the community
When they can get away with 16 months of no content in WoD, they can get away with infinite months of no content in vanilla.
Mark "I'm a huge fucking weeaboo and nobody hires me anymore" Kern
>>335917185
Walljumping was fixed sometime in mid-TBC, which is why private servers lack it (they're all based on 2.4.3). You couldn't actually do it for truly vertical walls, but very sleep slopes.
Getting on top of (and by extension, underneath) SW though, along with many others tricks, can actually be done without walljumping.
>>335916356
vanilla and BC weren't that different save for some new spells and talent changes. in terms of content the two expansions are almost totally separate, so if you leveled up in BC, you also leveled up in what was basically still vanilla as well.
>>335917430
Mark "I blew 3 million dollars on a failed marketing bus before my game was in alpha" Kern
What the fuck does Mark Kern even have to do with this
Why does this guy insert himself into every piece of internet drama
>>335915482
Probably not.
I play on a privateWotLKserver and I'm not really interested in vanilla.
If they added a Wrath server however I'd be all for it.
RETAILKEKS LITERALLY ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>335917647
Attentionwhoring. 99% of people, not the likes of kungen, knew who he was until now. It's a brilliant marketing opportunity, Mark Kern will probably make a new game again and now he has the "I fought for vanillafags" title
>>335914546
They don't fucking develop anything for current WoW, anyway. I don't understand this logic. They're doing the bare minimum to sustain their game, that's why they haven't updated WoD in a year.
>All this talk about a Vanilla legacy server
W-What about BC? It was objectively better in every way
>>335917905
BC players aren't nearly as stuck in the past as Vanilla players. Didn't make enough noise to be noticed.
>>335918012
You are aware that your trolling just comes across as delusional, right?
So I don't get any of this.
Let's say Blizzard concedes and they actually release some sort of vanilla flavor realms, now what? people will play that indefinitely? for how long? in which state exactly will it be released, day-1 or late patches with TBC talents/balance adjustments and such? will they even expand on that and "fix" whatever? will people/players really accept that?
Also, how long will it take for people to start demanding TBC or WotLK? will they also comply?
> you think you want but you don't
I still don't get what you guys want exactly.
Isn't Legion going to be the last expansion?
It only makes sense to create legacy servers to keep some people into wow while the playerbase slowly dies at Legion.
>>335917852
>no Zul'Aman
>>335917905
Yeah, this.
I would REALLY like to leave Excalibur behind for something entirely blizzlike. Corecraft taking too long and literally no other BC servers are that good. Would jump to a legacy BC server in a heartbeat.
>>335918072
>people will play that indefinitely? for how long?
Given that the average age of people who played vanilla is probably ~10 years older than the current playerbase, probably a lot longer, with less time played per month.
This is the perfect market for WoW.
>>335918065
I'm not trolling, but okay.
>>335918216
WOW U CANT SAY THAT BCUZ NOST WAS FREEEEEE!!!!!!!
>>335918314
This is literally the most bizarre talking point that blizzard fans are coming up with, and I really don't see the logic.
w/e, stay salty that other people like other things?
>>335915482
>oh boy I sure do love walking everywhere until level 40
What do you think?
>>335918520
>Stay salty that other people like things
you mean like people are salty that people like modern WoW?
>>335918560
I NEED MOUNTS
I NEED INSTANT GRATIFICATION
I DONT CARE ABOUT THE MAGNIFICENT WORLD YOUVE BUILT OR EXPLORING IT
THOTTBOT SAYS I NEED TO GO TO THESE EXACT COORDINATES AND ALL THAT MATTERS IS GETTING THERE ASAP
Blizzardrones completely missing the point, yet again
>>335918690
Stop fooling yourself, vanilla leveling was the same quest tunnel vision experience, just slower and more boring.
>"Blizzard has agreed to meet us"
How exactly does this confirm vanilla servers? Nost devs reached out to blizz, the meeting could be nothing more than them asking for their server back, don't be fucking retarded.
>>335918690
Inconvenient =/= better.
>>335918216
>Given that the average age of people who played vanilla is probably ~10 years older than the current playerbase, probably a lot longer, with less time played per month.
Do you think? might be anecdotal, but it's the exact opposite in my case.
I played vanilla since release up to Cataclysm and I'm barely over the Age of Wizardom so I guess I fit right into that age demographic you're referring to, and even though I have really good memories I won't really play all that ever again, not even for a week or so, and I'm pretty sure about 3/4 of my friends I used to play with won't either.
>>335918690
I NEED TO WASTE TIME
I NEED TO ADMIRE OUTDATED GRAPHICS
I DON'T CARE ABOUT COMPLETING THINGS IN A TIMELY MANNER
MY QUESTHELPER ADDON WITH WOWHEAD COMMENTS EMBEDDED WITHIN TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT TO DO AS IT BLENDS IN SEEMLESSLY WITH MY COMPLETELY GENERIC UI
Vanillafags completely forgot to grow up, yet again
>>335918607
>you mean like people are salty that people like modern WoW?
What?
No ones trying to get blizz to remove modern WoW, why are you being silly?
>2015
>Be Kronos dev
>Build and script a vanilla server
>Server draws a lot of hype
>Shortly before you launch your server, a different vanillla server starts up
>The population flocks to Nost while your servers's population hovers just below a thousand
>FeelsBadMan
>Nost finally gets shutdown from blizzard
>All the players flock to your server
>Shortly after Blizzard announces legacy servers
Life must be suffering for a Kronos dev.
Sage and report all Gamergate Nostalrius threads. Do your part to stop this cancer from metastasizing.
It has been a long time since I played vanilla wow, and I was young when I did so.
As I've grown older (and no longer play wow for many years), I've read many articles on wowwiki, and kinda followed wow from afar. And actually come to be fascinated with the lore of the universe.
In my opinion, everything after wotlk is an abomination. Would I be ''satisfied'' lorewise (if you guys understand what I mean?) from just vanilla? Not sure how to formulate this question
>>335918929
>and even though I have really good memories I won't really play all that ever again, not even for a week or so
Vast minority, I think most people would love a trip down memory lane.
remember wowtards: you think you want legacy servers, but you don't.
>>335919078
fuck off SJW cancer.
>>335918819
Why would Kern be invited?
>>335919078
>report all Gamergate
What's the deal with this board and randomly referencing gamergate?
Just let it go, holy fuck.
>>335910239
>when our schedules align
what schedule? all this fat fuck does is shitpost on twitter and masturbate to anime.
>>335919078
>Gamergate Nostalrius
Huh, who would have thought
>>335919265
Mark Kern is a gamergater and this is all a stunt to advertise WoW.
>>335919265
We have a few ghazi shills here trying to occasionally start shit to keep their narrative spinning. Just ignore them.
>>335919083
probably not, the story didn't really mean anything. it was mostly just you, the player, helping out NPCs kill some small time baddies from zone to zone until you eventually got to the endgame raids. THAT's when it gets at least somewhat interesting with Ragnaros and Nefarion and whatnot. before that though, nobody gives a shit about the questing stories because there's nothing to get invested in other than your character, perhaps.
>>335919346
>gamergater
You're saying this as if it implies he's some sort of moustache twirling supervillain. I know you're probably an american retard dropped as a child who believes everything told to him in jewish media about all those horrible misgoynists from the HATE GROUP gamergate, but just shut the FUCK UP because nobody gives a shit about your shit opinion
>>335919171
Because he shoved himself into the middle of this shitshow for attention. You can imagine the backlash if the shining knight of legacy servers wasn't invited.
>>335919474
It has nothing to do with anything you just said and everything with Gamergate being a bunch of entitled man children.
Just think about what you're doing here. You're celebrating the fact that you will get to pay Blizzard 15 dollars a month to play a 12 year old game again.
You are the very definition of cuckold, and Gamergate is cancer.
I don't think they would talk about these pristine realms then all of a sudden say fuck that were doing progressive legacy realms instead. I think in the meeting they're going to set a date for the pristine realms and make some more strict alterations to it that bring you back to older content. I wouldn't get my hopes up just to risk getting hurt again. You know who they're dealing with.
>>335919346
>Mark Kern is a gamergater
And?
>>335919671
gg is a terrorist organization
Where does it say servers are confirmed?
Pretty site mohrraine is meeting with kern so he can slap kern with his big dick.
Will they fix rogues? They most nerfed class in the game?
>>335919718
lmao I'm sure people unironically believe this too
>>335919629
>with Gamergate being a bunch of entitled man children.
You're a fucking SJW-enabling retard for writing stuff like that.
>You're celebrating the fact that you will get to pay Blizzard 15 dollars a month to play a 12 year old game again.
Average wage in Sweden is far above 7 dollars an hour, but there's people who work for that aswell. Just working for two hours is enough to pay for one month of WoW, that's not alot of money.
Although I do see your central point with your post, I agree and I have made sure Blizzard hasn't gotten a dime out of me for many years, because I don't support the political opinions they express, and their practices. But IF they released Legacy servers, I'd be happy to overlook the political parts, and pay for a game I thought worth paying for.
>You are the very definition of cuckold
No, that'd be white men supporting anti-white causes such as yourself
>and Gamergate is cancer.
that'd be you again
I did not like the level 40 mount.
It took forever to get to that level and you spend a lot of time just using num lock run.
>>335917905
Most of the people I know or hear talking about legacy servers prefers BC over Vanilla, but it's just another battle in the same war. This whole fiasco with Nostalrius is hopefully the push we all needed.
In order to get BC we're going to have to win Vanilla first, and it'd have to do well enough for Blizzard to see BC as a possibility.
>>335919884
I loved that aspect of OG WoW, made you really feel connected to the world since you REALLY had to pay your dues.
>>335919884
go away casual
>>335915185
> nobody gives a shit until nost shitdown
Well, lets see
> d3 ith AH and no pvp fuckup
> sc2 hots disney story
> wow cata heroic nerf, fuckedup final raid, casualization
> MOP is ok and majority hates it for asian theme
> wod - just fucking everything about it
> sc2 lotv disney love story
> fucking paid shills on 4chan adversiting legion proven official fuckton of times
and for you
> only nost players call others blizzdrones
Oh, yeach, really blizzard to this point never gave me anything to rage about. Nostalrius is just another point to long list of blizzard fuckups. Only blizzdrone stry to defend anything from that list without acutal proving something
Is this gonna be a valve situation where they arrest the guys when they land
>>335919950
This.
Vanilla is a good first step, then we as the community (who made the game a success), will get more say in where it goes from there.
>>335919983
The first time is alright and I admit it gets you to admire the world. I particularly really enjoyed doing the Lock questline to get the mount.
I just didn't enjoy leveling alts.
>>335920043
>still not getting it
>> fucking paid shills on 4chan adversiting legion proven official fuckton of times
oh you're one of those, don't bother
"WoW Vanilla" servers that took too much resources would kill WoW once and for all.
It would simply be far better for them to hear all this complaining and fix things for Legion or the next xpac more in line with what made Vanilla good (or at least have servers with these features enabled)
>>335920126
there's nothing they can ''fix'' for legion and the next xpac, people simply do not like where the story and the world has gone, its themes and the implications. the game mechanics have changed radically over the years, entire classes are completely different, new classes, just everything about the game is different, it's not something they can ''fix'' with small changes, they'd have to completely revamp entire aspects of the game, which'd be the same thing as basically turning back the clock to vanilla
>>335920126
>"WoW Vanilla" servers that took too much resources would kill WoW once and for all.
Proofs? What numbers are you using? How do you know Blizzards financials? Do you have experience running servers, what are your credentials?
I'm assuming your full of shit, prove me wrong.
>>335919884
Pick a shaman and get ghost wolf at 20.
Either way, grow some fucking balls.
>>335920121
>I just didn't enjoy leveling alts.
A minor downside for the majority of people who want to just play the damn game again.
But yeah, I agree alts where tedious sometimes.
>Blizz invite Nost frenchies to burgerland
>They get arrested straight off the plane
>>335919021
It doesn't matter, does it?
If Kronos would get even half as popular as Nost did, Blizz would just shut them down.
Making a private server is a suicide mission.
>>335920474
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Let's be honest here, the only reason Blizzard is doing this is because of the sheer amount of people on Nost.
They didn't give two shits about a legacy server, even after people asked during TBC. But only because Blizzard sees the insane amount of money in it, now.
Fuck Blizzard, they stopped caring about their customers when BC was released, they knew they could shit out anything and people would keep playing.
>>335919437
>the story didn't really mean anything
>early human zone storylines tied into onyxia metaplot which concludes in brd and final raid
>silithid questlines present in the barrens, gadgetzan and un'goro with implications that something is happening in southern kalimdor
>ruins of thaurissan quest in burning steppes reveals events which tie into the history of the zone and the presence of ragnaros in molten core
And I haven't ever touched a vanilla server - these are actually quests that I remember off the top of my head simply because they are memorable.
I seriously think you're underselling the world building they did.
>>335919095
>Vast minority
Can you support that with something? did you play vanilla and would actually like to go back for an extended period of time knowing exactly "what's going to be on it" all the time? how about the people you know/played with? I don't really trust those nost population figures to be that significant for a number of reasons, so I rather hear from personal experiences.
It's not only me but also about 3/4 of those friends I played with, granted, there's like two or three guys I'm sure will definitively take the bait though.
>I think most people would love a trip down memory lane.
Sure we all love that, but in our case we hang out someplace over some beers or whatever and eventually the WoW topic comes out.
That doesn't mean we would actually play it all over again, be it current version or vanilla.
>>335920279
>Categorically prove something that hasn't happened yet
???
Splitting the population would never be good, and lowering the rate at which content is made for non-vanilla wouldn't be good for a game already losing subs.
>>335920273
Legion is already attempting to bring classes back to more where they were in Vanilla. Massive changes.
I'm keking so hard right now.
>>335918690
>Magnificent World
Look man some of the zones are pretty nice and some Eastern Kingdom zones are comfy as fuck, but walking around south Kalimdor fucking sucks
>>335915482
I'll be on there. Even if I'm chasing something I'll never obtain, at least I'll have fun doing it.
>>335920737
>Legion is already attempting to bring classes back to more where they were in Vanilla. Massive changes.
That won't change anything at all, the game will still be shit, it has so much more to do than just a class mechanically feeling a bit different.
Blizz should have done this from the start, Valve have proven this time & time again
>Hire modders
>$$$
Or
>C&D them
>No Money
>Negative PR
We all know which one most publishers pick
Odds he's serious?
>>335920889
>Changing extremely core gameplay elements won't make a game less shit
So now I know why Blizzard hasn't bothered; there is literally no pleasing you
pretty much "retail is shit because its retail" at this point.
>>335920761
Not him but fuck you. I wish we weren't living in democrasies, people like you don't deserve to be equal to others.
>>335920683
>did you play vanilla
I only played vanilla, I quit during early BC because I had to focus on other things, despite enjoying the game.
>and would actually like to go back for an extended period of time knowing exactly "what's going to be on it" all the time?
Yeah, I could see it taking 4-6 months to go 1-60, then 4-6 months in top tier raids and finally intermittent PvP and raids for another year to maybe try and get top-tier epics.
>how about the people you know/played with?
Some would come back, obviously you'd make lot of new friends in a legacy server and the community would probably independantly organize, much like other old games with older playerbases.
> I don't really trust those nost population figures to be that significant for a number of reasons, so I rather hear from personal experiences.
Nost was the diehards of the diehards, all of us casual diehards would love to play again, not to mention people who would switch from retail. We don't need 10 million people, we just need enough for 1-5 high/med servers.
>>335919718
So maybe don't fuck with us.
>>335921004
>So now I know why Blizzard hasn't bothered; there is literally no pleasing you
Jesus christ. Are you fucking retarded? Blizzards job IS pleasing me, so I purchase their content. The content in Cata, MoP, WoD and looks to be in Legion WAS, IS and WILL be shit. If I don't like it, I won't pay for it. Yes, this is about me, are you surprised?
And yes, changing a few classes around a bit doesn't please me.
And yes, retail is shit beacuse in case you didn't know, the mmo world of warcraft is LINEAR, unlike say RuneScape, which means ALL older content is COMPLETELY irrelevant after a new expansion.
Go to the isle of quel'danas for instance, one of my favourite areas in the entire game, it's COMPLETELY empty, not a single soul there for probably many years on each server.
>>335916750
Of course, people actually playing the game that you have to wait to play it! At least it's better than playing by yourself in an empty world like WoD
:^)
>>335915482
I will tell my friend and if he agrees on playing with me I'll start. Started plaiyng BC so I don't know how vanilla will be.
>>335920737
>Splitting the population would never be good
Why? The sub numbers are already abyssmal, bringing old blood back into the game would do wonders for the viability of the franchise long term.
Fact is that WoW has zero hype right now, any change could only be positive in that regard, and once you have hype and the diehards come back the community can finally start to rebuild and move forward.
>>335914516
>The Iron Horde must be stopped
That didn't even happen, the Iron Horde shit was cut out & replaced with the Legion
Orgrim's entire questchain & raid was cut for fuck sake
>>335910239
As lobg as they aren't charging you the full current sub to play on it it might be okay. A one time fee would be ideal desu.
If I have to pay for fucking current WoW to play it i'll stick with private desu
If it happens, I'm happy for you guys.
I've no interest in WoW, but I signed because it's silly that it isn't an option when so many people wish for it and would pay for it.
And really, if only 20k people resub for it, that's 20k more people paying and hardly anything is needed to maintain a server.
>>335914516
WoD WAS shit but this has been common for them to do leading up to a new xpac, or at least since cata/mop. MoP was free leading up to WoD.
I wonder what came first, the falling subs or Blizzard preferring to sell xpacs over actual subs.
>>335921362
>If I have to pay for fucking current WoW to play it i'll stick with private desu
You and like 2 other people lmao, everyone is going to leave for greener patures.
Get fucked pirate scum, enjoy playing private by yourself until you get a real job.
>>335921295
>"hey you gotta stop the iron horde"
>you kick the absolute shit out of them in the blasted lands
Why did we even bother going through the portal if they were such a non-threat?
>>335921482
k :)
>>335921103
>Nost was the diehards of the diehards, all of us casual diehards would love to play again
This. double digit IQ retards seem to have a hard time realising this.
i never played nost, but i would start playing legacy in an instant if it was released.
>>335921516
I want to impregnate a Draenei
Count me in. Legitimately subbing for this shit.
>>335921393
You are a gentlemen and a scholar.
Would you prefer pure vanilla or like RS and starting at Vanilla while letting the game go it's own way with community appraisal?
>>335921703
I think eventually the game will become like OSR, with community votes to decide future content. But only after a while after Blizzard realises there's potential for profit with Legacy (which there will be).
I would personally like the game to primarily be expanded on the storytelling part. The direction the story went after wotlk was shit.
Can you please stop pretending like Mark Kern is anybody
>>335921516
Also why we couldn't just destroy the dark portal? Is that ever explained?
>>335921527
thx bby
>>335921103
Not convinced yet about all this is such a good idea, but I guess more options is always good?
Also, I don't know if it would be wise segmenting the audience/community like that, so to speak, at least in the long run. I know most people who would play vanilla won't ever actually play current, but still.Fucking Blizzard, they shouldn't have messed with the game that much in the first place, what the fuck.
>>335921858
Might fuck up the planet.
Also what if you want to use it to go somewhere?
>tfw no ne gf
why even live?
>>335910239
NOOOOOOOOOO DELETE THIS
>>335920474
I mean that's what Valve/GabeN did with the guy who stole the HL2 source
They tricked him into contacting them
>>335921858
They did, then it got retconed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlbN1z8pnXo
>>335921593
Who doesn't?
>>335921852
I don't think ANYBODY cares about him. We care about Legacy
>>335921240
Maybe if you stopped being a petulant little child then you could enjoy life and I could value your opinion
>>335922004
>>335921516
>no horsecocks
>>335921279
>abysmal
>compariable to Vanilla at its height
What's there to be excited about though?
Be serious, who is going to pay a monthly fee for vanilla wow
>>335922108
Nice meme
>>335921894
>Also, I don't know if it would be wise segmenting the audience/community like that, so to speak, at least in the long run.
But a larger pie divided is still possibly larger than a small pie undivided. If legacy draws enough of its own playerbase then the game will actually permanently grow for the first time in YEARS.
>I know most people who would play vanilla won't ever actually play current, but still.
This is essentially the crux of Blizzards failure, they failed to make a fun game despite having a fun game to start with.
>>335913348
>What is RS07
>>335913348
>He missed the sega classics on steam thread last night
>>335922142
The derivative is so much more important that raw subs per month, but vanilla at it's peak was probably 30-50% higher than current WoW, if you extrapolate the trend lines from sub number charts it's looking pretty grim for WoW.
>>335922145
This. I will not pay current retail sub for a game that is never going to be updated. A much reduced fee or a one time purchase, I could and would get behind.
>>335922145
I would. I have a group of friends who'd probably want to go back as well. We'd play to 60 and probably do all the dungeons/gearing up together and then probably be scattered to the wind again. Maybe 3-4 months of subs from a group of 5-10 people?
>>335922145
>Be serious, who is going to pay a monthly fee for vanilla wow
Are you kidding, vanilla would be so much fun to just casually play through again, and the sub is pretty fucking cheap...I mean $15 what is that like 30mins of work (probably less for vanillas old playerbase, most of whom are now late 20's early 30's).
>>335922145
Fucking this.
>>335922445
>Maybe 3-4 months of subs from a group of 5-10 people?
Damn, how fast are you clearing content, I remember it taking fucking forever to get to 60 with a few hours played per day.
>>335922145
Ill sign up day one, and Ive never played vaniller
>all this hype for vanilla legacy server
>nothing about TBC Legacy server
baka desu senpai
Here's what will happen:
Every Legion copy will have a legacy server license in it.
So Blizzard can say:
>WOW, SO MANY PEOPLE BOUGHT LEGION
>We're gonna meet and have a talk
It doesn't mean anything
just like your e-petition didn't mean anything
>>335922654
Slippery slope friend
>>335922684
I still can't believe they sent me a free copy of WoD. They're desperate as shit
>>335921516
Dark Portal event was added in at the last second, you were suppose to go through Karazhan to reach Draneor, which lead to the Chronal Spire made by Kairozdormu, the Dark Portal was still being built, most likely it wouldn't have even appeared again as the goal was to stop it from being completed so they couldn't invade Azeroth, instead as you say they failed in the invasion & their was no threat, this change made no sense
As for the Iron Horde, Kargath was suppose to have a longer questchain in Spires, which was originally going to mixed with the Zangarmarsh down south (Fungal Whale world boss was planned there), he also survived in Highmaul originally, probs going to be used in Hellfire Citadel later as the plan was for the final raid to have most of the Warlords of Draenor, hence the fucking expansion name, im guessing Ner'zhul didn't die so early on & appeared there too, no actual info on this though
Orgrim was suppose to have a questchain in Gorgrond with Yrel heavily involved & Orgrim's story ending with the cut Shattrath raid
Also Farahlon was suppose to have the Laughing Skull Clan, Kirin Tor & more Orge's, the Orge part was moved to Nagrand & the Laughing Skull/Kirin Tor was poorly moved to Gorgrond, there is a questhub for the Laughing Skull that goes unused & the Kirin Tor are in Gorgrond out of fucking no where with no reason because Everbloom was suppose to be a Farahlon dungeon
Oh & Medivh was also suppose to appear
>>335921686
Hey, who knows, maybe I'll wind up grabbing getting it myself down the line.
I played Nost for like two hours and thought it was kind of interesting since it was less on the "Look at all these pretty visuals" MMOs today have that utterly lack content.
>>335922370
I could see it either being attached to the retail sub (which would work to entice people to play the new expansion even on the side) or a reduced fee if separate.
>>335913348
>No dumbass in their right mind would literally pay a company to play an older version of an MMO that would never update
Runescape exists.
Nothing says they can't add updates at all either in any form.
>>335922047
So I'm a petulant little child for stating the fact that Blizzards job literally is to please me. And that they're not doing a good job, and that a majority of wows current and former playerbase agrees with me on that assessement, and also agrees with me on the fact that there's nothing blizzard can do to ''salvage'' the game by this point?
As some guy was saying earlier, you're literally a cuckold, who willingly pays for a shit game, and aggressively defends the creators of the shit game from any criticism
>>335922571
We've done it before, and we know optimal group comps/characters. Based on patch, we might even know relevant exploits/farming spots. 1-60 would still be a few weeks, but after that you're free to run all the dungeons as much as you can stand to gear up.
Come to think of it, I feel like if they were to do this, they should scramble the loot tables of basically everything in 50+ up dungeons.
>>335922370
A one time purchase would be nice, blizz is to jewish for that though.
>>335922445
>>335922468
>>335922621
Maybe I'm wrong then, I really just don't see people paying monthly to play something stale that most of them have played through and through already.
Perhaps nostalgia alone will draw people, we'll see in time but even if it does no way they will be sticking around for long.
>>335922894
>Maybe I'm wrong then, I really just don't see people paying monthly to play something stale that most of them have played through and through already.
Yeah, like 10 years ago.
It's like watching a movie you saw once, but can't remember exactly what happens anymore.
>>335922829
>Nothing says they can't add updates at all either in any form.
To be fair it does work better for RS, since it was never formatted around expansion packs. I don't know how blizz is going to introduce content using 80% player votes
This will literally never happen
they already said
>>335922864
>We've done it before, and we know optimal group comps/characters. Based on patch, we might even know relevant exploits/farming spots.
I'm assuming blizzard would fix the game up before release, say what you will but they are NOT sloppy.
>>335922829
It did have heavy focus on gameplay instead of graphics. I give zero shits about visuals. The same time the world started caring about graphics is when gameplay went to absolute shit.
>>335921858
They did that once. The rift between dimensions was still there.
>>335923060
I think they'll try and there's no way they'll catch everything the first time unless they have far more detailed/documented changelogs for everything in Vanilla than they ever presented to the public
>>335923051
Shareholders have the final say, it's not up to the management team at the end of the day.
And it's not like they care how they make money, multinationals do not have "pride" and anyone standing in the way can be easily over ruled by the higher-ups.
>>335923051
>Nobody has any intention of building a wall.
B-but you said you wouldn't!
>>335923176
Sure, I mostly agree, I just think that by and large it won't be cheesable to the point of invalidating the games progression for 99% of users.
Question to nostalgiafags:
What do you crave more about playing vanilla/bc WoW?
The mechanics, skills classes, etc?
The story, the world, the quests, the mood?
Or the different levels of challenge and time investment to accomplish stuff??
>>335915482
I'd up to Wrath of The Lich King. Cataclysm and anything further?
Nope.
This seems like just a little PR stunt so blizz looks more open-minded.
What could they discuss in person? What even needs to be discussed? Blizz has more statistics and information than anybody else to make proper descission making on this issue. What, you think they gonna go "Hey Nos, show us your servers statistic wich we already estimated before we sued you."?
My prediction Blizz is gonna go "Vanilla servers won't happen but you see we tried."
>>335922991
True, they could do something like creating new raid bosses though. Might not be full out new content, but new bosses for your dungeon/raid group to fight can mix things up.
>>335923121
I think the closest I got to a feeling like that was GW1.
It's a common thing with gaming overall anymore, graphics get better, gameplay gets worse.
>>335922381
But anon, there's free 07 servers now.
>>335923397
All of the above
>Been arguing with genuine, unrefined mongoloid Blizzdrones about this for 2 weeks on here
>"Y-Y-You'll never get to play your shitty Vanilla anyway h-ha! Blizzard will never acknowledge you!"
>Blizzard respond
>"Th-That doesn't mean anything! They don't c-care!"
>Now this
>Looking more and more likely Vanilla servers are legitimately going to happen every day
Oh man I bet you feel like fucking cunts now, huh?
>>335923397
All of it.
>>335922834
Technically blizzards job is to return value to the shareholders, something they do by making games which don't necessarily have to cater to you personally as long as they make money off it.
>>335921919
I'd rather WCIII ones.
WoW NElves lost their savagery, their fangs and their wild nature.
Those three things was what made them so charming.
>>335923397
The leveling, the difficulty, the world, the playerbase and community.
The community is honestly the most important, but just being able to play OG WoW for a year or two one last time would be pretty important too.
>>335923512
Signing NDAs, documents. A lot of legal.
I expect since Nost is getting involved, they will probably go the licensing route. I think integrating a new system into Battle.net in it's current form has too many technical speedbumps.
>>335923397
>every class felt unique/had a role to fill
>quests were challanging
pull more than 3 mobs? hello ghosthealer!
>leveling wasn't as streamlined/had to actually search for quests sometimes
>challanging dungeons
>had to socialize to do dungeons/group quests
Finally, a vanilla server that finally suceeded.
Hopefully this will usher in the new age of MMOs.
>>335922047
AND YES
>>335923397
Everything save for classes and some mechanics. I'm a big fan of ret and balance but they are useless in vanilla. I like mage too, though the rotation was brain dead simple back then.
>>335923512
They're probably being invited to discuss implementation since Brack and his cronies keep going on about it's too much work, but a couple of guys can do it for free apparently.
Cool, now the battle between vanilla modernists and purists will begin.
>>335923397
Vanilla WOW wasn't the hardest video game, but at least getting a peice of gear was rewarding.
Gear being scarce, let alone not always good, made vanilla WOW great, also unless you were a poopsocking raider most of the best shit in the game was BOE so you could get involved with a real server economy.
>>335923909
Why? Everyone can play what they want, they don't have to fight between each other.
>>335923979
What if I want the vanilla experience with the updated graphics?
>>335923792
>New age of MMOs
>It's the same shit you've been playing over a decade
>>335923784
>pull more than 3 mobs? hello ghosthealer!
Look at the faggot playing pet classes, real men burn all their cooldowns and still die to 2 enemies.
>>335923654
>which don't necessarily have to cater to you personally as long as they make money off it.
Very true. In this case though they're not making money off me, and millions of other people.
>Hunter Deadzone
>Pet management
>Traps only outside of combat
>Melee hunter
You know, if they do really release this I'm definitely going through all that bull shit again with my friends. I remember setting up an area to fight when leveling and making strats with the map to beat slightly stronger than me enemies or multiple foes.
>>335924056
>What if I want the vanilla experience with the updated graphics?
Probably a user side option, knowing Blizzard.
That way both sides can be pretty pleased with their play through.
>>335923975
This. In the past WoW was actually challenging and everything hard you did actually rewarded you.
>>335923397
All of that, but the big things to me are the challenge (at least compared to modern mmo design) and the community. Community > everything else, imo.
i don't mean "community" as in everyone is pleasant to each other (tho that's not terrible), but rather that it's a working world where you need to work with others to achieve goals. Things like dungeon finder seemed like great ideas at their introduction but began the slide towards everyone else basically being an annoying bot while you level.
I remember a few fags on retail vanilla KJ who were douches in game and their rep got so bad they were unable to achieve anything past MC, and even getting into an MC pug was ridiculously difficult for them. They eventually had to reroll. Something like that almost never happens in modern WoW.
>>335924061
Yeah but everyone seems to copy the shit that is modern WOW.
>>335923874
I'm a retribution paladin main too (used to be, when I played), and my greatest fear is them not doing some slight changes to make ret atleast a little viable.
>>335924137
>tank shaman comes back
>wanting to farm for hours to craft a flask that uses only 2 hours
>wanting to raid with 39 other players and having to babysit the retards ones IF you even get to 40 people to raid at all
I don't know why anyone would want to play vanilla again. Honestly.
>>335924195
Honestly minor balance changes to specs/classes would be the single easiest way to prevent people from rushing through content, change the optimal set-up just enough to make it difficult.
>>335924137
>leveling up pets like it's a monster raising game
Please come back
>>335924330
>I don't know why people would work for something
>>335924195
Here's how to be viable: Get Sulfuras hammer. Congrats, you're doing as much DPS as my rogue with Dal'Rends.
Seriously though, stop suggesting they fiddle with shit. If you don't want to play a WoW where rets aren't viable then don't play on a Vanilla server.
>>335924137
>dueling my hunter buddy in party
>he never figured out that i can see his trap
>gets assblasted every time
>he still to this day doesn't know
GODDAMNIT if this happens he is sure to finally read a forum for once in his terrible life and he is finally going to defeat me.
>>335924330
Because convenience is a bad thing for a game meant to last long and feel like a challenge.
>>335923397
>The mechanics, skills classes, etc?
There was less homogenization, but worse balance
>The story, the world, the quests, the mood?
Story was better, you were a cog in the machine fighting all over the world, now you are THE HERO fighting the big bad on the poster
Quests are technically better now, but too linear, maybe a nitpick but im not fond of the cinematics & blowing up entire armies, the toned down questchains from Vanilla are more memorable & immersive, if the Tirion Fordring questchain was done today, it wouldn't be hidden outside of a cave full of Nerubians, you would always run into it as the zone is now linear, you would get on a turret & blow up 1000's of Scarlets instead of just sneaking in, the ending would have been an EPIC CINEMATIC with cheesy as fuck dialogue & music
Also no group quests & class quests anymore
>Or the different levels of challenge and time investment to accomplish stuff??
Mythic progression is pretty good & the boss fights are better than ever
The big problem is there is no world or community anymore, flying mounts, cross realms, easy leveling, LFD/R etc killed the world
So there's absolutely no reason to buy Legion now.
Good to know. Though it wasn't like there was a reason in the first place, at least now it's solidified that nobody is coming back for it.
>>335915482
I will resub day one if its a TRUE vanilla server and not "pristine".
>>335924490
I bet they will only grant you vanilla access when you own the latest expansion.
>>335924427
Stop trying to convince the millennials that dedication and hard work pay off. You're offending them.
They just want instant gratification for minimal effort.
>>335924490
if legacy happens it's bound to be included with the legion purchase/sub to boost box sales. They need those box sales to be high for investors. Modern blizz is super gay but not stupid enough to see how poorly the legion hype is going compared to WoD.
That this meeting is even happening, or that they even responded to the legacy issue at all, is reason enough to think this.
>>335924490
hue
>>335915482
If true vanilla servers actually becomes a thing, it will be the best fucking thing since sliced bread. Just thinking about it makes me all tingly.
>>335915482
no. already played vanilla when it was the current wow content. tbc was much better than vanilla.
what about people who love tbc,wrath. will they get a server?
>>335924583
They are going to actually do market research and do whatever they calculate to yield greated ROI.
I doubt it involves a massive barrier to entry for people they want paying subs, but I do expect them to force you to rebuy BC, WotLK if they have server progression.
>>335910239
i am still gonna play at private servers cause fuck blizz i dont want to pay them jews but i am really fucking happy people got want they wanted. i just really hope they won't fuck it up like the rest of it.
kudos everyone nostalfags and blizzdronefags alike.
>>335924583
I'd be fine with that. And hell if I'm getting legion anyway with my vanilla sub I might as well try it out. Can't see why blizzard wouldn't do this, it's a win win.
>>335914546
Wow a team of 10 can create and host 100k players on a vanilla server for completely free, not even donations, and you think a video game conglomerate that owns some of the most valuable IPs EVER couldn't do just that? Fucking really? They will do it if it's profitable. And it will be profitable, because they're going to make the nost devs do it.
>>335924724
>what about people who love tbc,wrath. will they get a server?
I think that might eventually happen
Guys.. GUYS. Guys listen,
Guys what if Blizzard used their twitter.
What if they used their twitter and released a strawpoll of "Do you want to see legacy servers"
and just let everyone vote?
Or is it too easily manipulated?
>>335924724
i never enjoyed tbc.
i mean hc dungeons ruined it a bit for me.
but i loved ssc and hyjah it was top for WoW.
>>335915482
Absolutely and I will enjoy every second of it.
>>335924583
>>335924661
That's such an extremely jew move it wouldn't even surprise me.
>Buy our latest shit expansion just to not play it
Makes sense. To jews.
Mark Kern and the nost devs are aware of the "pristine servers" bullshit right? I hope blizzard doesn't try to spin it on them if they aren't.
>>335924634
Unless you're 30 you're a millennial as well you retard.
Biggest boogeyman since reddit
>>335924661
I honestly don't know if I'd buy under these circumstances. Don't get me wrong I'll pay for legacy, but I don't want to prop up legion.
>>335910239
N-No Blizz... I always said I'd return if you ever did this... I don't want to give you another five+ years of my life. DON'T DO IT!
>that feel when the first time you heard the voices from Thaddius in Naxx
>>335920086
I'd shit bricks.
I still can't believe that shit. I doubt they'd have any infrastructural problems with steam if they had hired that dude.
>>335925000
jesus i actually woke in the middle of the night to tell my guild what i thought it was.
>>335918560
what is ghost wolf
>>335920086
Yeah because their PR certainly couldn't get any worse.
>>335924427
I still worked in BC for 'something'. The difference is that in vanilla it was a fucking drag to do EVERYTHING. It took hours if not days or even weeks of grinding, farming and generally being in your computer to be competitive whether it was on PvP or PvE.
I legitimately believe the people that want vanilla servers played the game casually and don't know what it is to have to spend so much time in front of the computer.
>>335924959
Yes and the reaction from almost everyone, including retail players, has been either apathy or dislike of pristine realms. They know it's a stupid idea, they were probably just floating it out there to see what the response would be.
>>335924876
They have far better avenues to conduct market research, if it's viable they can figure it out pretty quickly.
>>335924724
>tbc was much better than vanilla
Welfare epics
Linear Dungeons
Nerfed AV
Started the trend of nerfing the shit out of PVE content, Kara was actually hard at one stage
Flying mounts
Dailies
>>335925159
kara was confusing not hard.
>>335920086
>Valve situation
What?
>>335925213
Nah it was actually hard early on
>>335923874
Even if specs like that weren't optimal, you could still do fine and raid all the way up to Naxx. You absolutely had to stick with a lower-end guild the whole way though, no retardins/boomkins/windfuries/etc were getting recruited by established top level guilds.
>>335925126
I raided with a high level guild on Nost doing BWL clears and a lot of my guildies had their own families. It's not some stupid behemoth grind that takes up your entire life, you can easily find a balance if you try.
>>335924137
>Getting to hunt and train brokenpaw again
>>335919078
>sage
I don't think you even know what that does
>>335923397
Well the game has better RPG mechanics and makes me more immersed. It seems a bit less cartoony (even up to Wrath for me) and that helps with that, too. Toss in relevant, competitive PvP and challenging content and you've got subs from me.
Really, I'll gladly pay $15 to play Vanilla, TBC or Wrath again. Even without any updates.
>>335922165
legacy server that receives updates
GAMERGATE ALWAYS WINS, BABY
ALWAYS
>>335925432
Nice falseflag.
>>335924797
The numbers that come off Nostalrius grow every time I see them. Besides, you ignore the fact that it was run on a modified BC core. Just because it looks like it works the same, doesn't mean it does. There are plenty of bugs and errors that are caused by pseudo-code and poor patching. Blizzard has the capital to create a legacy server on proper code, which is what they would do as opposed to running a ghetto-rigged server. You can't expect them to be fine with private server standards, they have to be and are held to higher standards.
>>335925369
BWl is a piece of piss on Nost, the armour values & shit are all wrong
>>335925369
It's true, there's no more real poopsocking in Vanilla because raid strategies are so well-documented that you don't have to dedicate more than an evening or two each week to BWL/AQ/Naxx progression.
>>335924975
Hello, Reddit.
>>335924325
BASED ROCKBITER
My guild ran AQ40 with an enhancement/resto hybrid offtank. You'd be surprised how much threat that fucker pulled.
>>335925569
What does that have to do with my point?
>>335924325
Tank shaman never was a thing anon.Me shaman and a bro paladin queued as heals/tank respectively and switched roles when lfg first came out.
>>335925159
I disagree with your reasons but I loved tbc. Ret was finally brought to raids (at least one, generally, especially horde side), some specs and spells were modified to be way less useless, and arena was fucking great if unbalanced fun.
Kara is still by favorite WoW experience so I'm sure it's a lot of nostalgia talking but whatever.
If they ever do any sort of EQ style progression server, they are going to modify racials or provide some other alliance incentive as the server will suddenly be 9:1 horde to alliance. WoTF continuing to be strong mixed with horde rets being superior dps make any TBC private server an alliance graveyard.
>>335915482
I wouldn't want to go through the slog again.
The level progression of zones was all kinds of fucked up for 30-60.
I'm also loathe to relive shit like weapon skill levels, ammo, literally unfinished zones (Silithus), and a lot of the other general quality of life stuff that's been added in later expansions.
>>335925370
Pet training was what turned me off from playing as a hunter. Having to stand around and get whacked by mobs until I learn a move to teach my pet was stupid beyond all compare.
>>335913226
Moron.
Who can post on blizzard forums. People who have an active, paying account. Of course if you subscribe to a service you're going to defend it. That's why that forum is so biased, everyone who posts there is paying to play so they obviously still want it.
That's like asking a BMW owner if they think it's a better car than a Mercedes. Of course they're going to think so, they bought a BMW. They have to convince themselves that it was money well spent.
>>335917187
nigger you know he means that third person shooter game
>>335915482
I intend to and have been lobbying for legacy servers for years. I'd settle for BC or Wrath even.
>>335917361
i don't think so
people will get bored and ask for burning crusade
they will get bored again and ask for WoTLK and so on until we get to fucking pandaria again
>>335925569
BWL is a piece of piss regardless (armor values are correct on Valk/RB and it goes no differently) because we have knowledge and addons that trivialize the aspects that used to make progression difficult. The biggest and most obvious is that a threat meter exists for Vael and DBM exists period. Players are also more likely to go into BWL with proper BiS gear from 5-mans/UBRS/MC so their DPS is far less shit than it would've been in retail when no one knew what they were doing.
>>335925884
it's the same just better
I'm kinda' hoping for pristine servers.
A server without a broken economy, experience-boosting, and looms sounds like a fucking godsend to me.
>>335925736
My raid/guild leaders in vanilla were two brothers who both played shaman, and both would convince everyone to let them tank several times. Sometimes it worked but only if we generally outgeared the raid.
Still pretty fun tho.
Even on private servers it's totally doable in lower level dungeons but since it's 12 year old content at this point the really hard part is trying to get everyone ok with attempting anything that isn't 100% proven optimal.
>>335924104
Which is the case regardless of what they did.
Can't please everyone, much less people that believe the game would be shit regardless of what changes were made to fundamental aspects of it. Which is an utterly ridiculous position to take.
>>335926083
You'll still have no content though.
>>335921919
Poor you, anon. I'll let you know that I have a beautiful Night Elf wife!
Pic related, it's me, my wife and my wife's son
>>335925626
AQ40 gear was the best. All these weird stat combinations for hybrid builds. Being a warrior offtank was by far the most fun I had in WoW.
>>335925369
>high level
>BWL
Hit me up when you are doing first tries to bosses that don't have guides for them out yet, when you have to farm a retarded amount of items with resistances for AQ, MC or Naxx, when you have to farm either the materials or gold just to buy buffs like flasks and food every night or when your guild is trying to snipe world bosses.
You are the very proof of what I said. People that want vanilla servers don't truly know what it is to play competitively which is why they talk so lightly about how 'it wasn't that bad back then'.
>>335926153
>cuck meme in wow
fuck off degenerate
>>335923397
like really it is the leveling experience for me. It's hard but that's the point it feels more rewarding going through the whole process
>>335915482
Fuck yeah I am.
>>335926153
GREENED
>>335926218
Don't be jealous
>pic related, our honeymoon
>>335926341
Yeah she has beautiful green hair.
>>335926083
it's not the most terrible thing, but really it's just WoD without the QoL changes. That's fucking it.
You can breeze through leveling even without heirlooms, often tanks can solo dungeons without looms. Everything is wildly undertuned.
Not to mention no old talent trees, class quests, still the cata revamp world, etc etc.
The no crossrealm stuff IS good and I feel like the mention of pristine servers at all is progress, but it's not remotely close to what legacy fags want.
>>335924325
>>335925626
>>335925736
Ask a Shaman tank anything.
I haven't taken part in this debate(the fact that this even turned into one shows are retarded neo-Blizzard shit eaters are), but if this ends up happening I am seriously excited.
>>335925536
Well the petition got around 240k and there were at least that many accounts, not all of them active obviously. And yes that's true. That being said it's not unreasonable to assume that Blizzard has the assets (read: what they've already fucking made) in a backroom somewhere. Coding it all again seems like it would be a massive waste of money considering how fine people seem to be with Nost/Vanilla when it was retail (which was incredibly buggy, too.)
Obviously it wouldn't be buggy private server shit. Even then, Nost was GOOD for private server standards. The biggest problem is integrating it with modern battle.net, I assume.
>>335926432
Aaaaah.. WoW roleplaying. Been a while i didn't heard of this concept.
God, I'd suck so much dick for a TBC legacy server
>>335926181
>122906
Jesus I wish I had the good sense to take pictures back then, my oldest screenshots are from mid-Wrath
>>335926210
Nah, I do agree that you do have to invest a lot of time if you're at the real peak of progression and whatnot. Like the other Anon said though, there's guides for everything and we've had 10+ years of knowledge gathering on Vanilla content, it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as back in the day.
Even so, if you or anyone else can't manage to strike a balance with the game and your other responsibilities nobody is forcing you to be in a hardcore guild.
>>335926432
didnt notice tauren first time. I lost my shit post more
Vanilla had Oxhorn, Cranius, Flintlocke and hundreds of other user-made content autors, not to mention all the PvP heroes like Vurtne, Drakedog, Maydie, Kishkumen and countless others. who are still remembered after all this time. Why did no other expansion inspire so many people to create so much content?
>>335926531
>Vanilla legacy server is PvPRP
>No Blood Elf/Draenei ERP to bullshit everything up
>No more mary sues
Fucking please.
I'm not sure if this is interesting or just to be expected, but if you are a big faggot like me and look at post histories by the biggest crybabies arguing against legacy on the bnet forums or mmochamp, the vast majority of them were also the ones constantly crying about no flying in WoD.
It's a weird combination of being an uber fanboy but also not wanting anything remotely difficult in their game.
(most of them also play on PVE or RP-PVE servers. SHOCKING.)
so if legacy servers are a go, what are you guys gonna roll?
night elf rogue for me, been too long since i've done the pilgrimage to Ironforge
>>335926951
>No Blood Elves or Draenei
>No new models that made the asses of every female infinitely better and more defined
objectively a shit game
>>335915482
Yes
>>335924939
No it just makes sense.
Lets say if your a person who is still subbed on retail but would leave retail WoW for vanilla. They lose profits, they are at a net loss(since they had to make additional effort to make legacy servers work),
A company goal is to earn money, and bringing in legacy servers would be a net loss unless they monitised it like what hes saying.
>everyone forgets we will have to do attunement again
>>335927098
>i play to masturbate
off to legion with you, cuck
>>335927007
Hard choice.
I want to go for a human paladin like I did before, but I sort of wanna be a vurtne wannabe and be a mage.
>>335927007
Human Paladin
my first race class combo
cant wait to alt tab while auto attacking mobs to death
>>335910239
Pristine servers
L M A O
into the trash
>>335927007
I'd go against my instincts and just play what I played back then, rogue/warlock. And pick something I always wanted to try but never did, like Shaman.
>>335927007
reckbomb ret with engineering and bags full of faps.
GARITHOS
WAS
RIGHT
>>335927183
>I sort of wanna be a vurtne wannabe
Oh fuck me the amount of Undead Mages I saw on Nost with a name like "Vurtneee" or "xVurtnex" was staggering.They'd always start shit with me every fucking time they saw me as well
>kronos at a 3 hour wait time
Hurry up blizzard
>>335910239
People are willing to give Blizz money after they insult their intelligence and fuck them over? You guys deserve it. Reminds me of that girl that's always in an abusive relationship but always comes back.
>>335927007
>tfw the crocodile that spawns on the road isn't there
I'd probably go with a hunter all things considered, as much as I love warriors and rogue in t1+ gear, getting there is a massive chore.
is this possible on legacy servers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkk5A2GAITQ
>>335927118
Yeah I agree, as much as I'd like to just pay a flat monthly sub fee I can almost 100% guarantee they'll go with the box/sub requirement. I'm prepared to roll with that if they give me what I want though.
>>335919021
Kronos devs have been great. I really like playing there desu
>>335927301
There was no less than a hundred of vurtne clones, most of them chinese.I also was an undead mage, my character didn't even look like Vurtne yet people kept calling me vurten anyways
>>335927132
None of the attunements were even that hard, son. The only annoying one was the UBRS key and you could just make your own group for lower and reserve the gems or pay someone 10g to open it.
>>335927258
PALADIN BROS WW@
Cleanse inhuman scum from Azeroth.
>>335927132
The attunements in Vanilla were fucking easy.
>MC
Make it to the semi-end of Blackrock Depths, doable in 10 minutes by lava jumping
>BWL
Kill a mob in Blackrock Mountain to start the attunement quest that requires you to clear Upper Blackrock Spire
>AQ
Had no personal attunement, had server wide War Effort instead
>Naxx
Become honored with Argent Dawn and pay a fee. Fee is cheaper at Revered and free at Exalted.
Only Onyxia had a bit of a bitch attunement, but it was not even as bad as Karazhan attunement in Burning Crusade. Maybe UBRS key was a pain in the ass to get too but you only needed one guy to get it and you were home free.
>>335927383
Yep, you just need a pet/minion with a mana bar to get Burning Adrenaline and dismiss it.
didn't blizzard like 10 days ago say it was impossible
Would you guys want Blizz to roll out content like they did on retail, every 2-3 months or so? And would you like new raids/later XPAC raids retuned for level 60 40 man?
>>335927007
qt nightelf priest just like on Nost
>>335927750
Nah their wording was "tremendous operational challenges to integrating classic servers" which makes it sound like the brunt of the effort will be integrating vanilla with Battle.net
>>335927470
i do too but now with the possibility of actual blizz legacy servers getting more likely, it's going to be hard to buckle down and get to 60 on k2. I'm already busy with work and losing motivation.
Maybe I should kill myself.
>>335927750
It was never impossible, just very fucking hard. Nostalrius took 5 years of reverse engineering to get what they got.
Now Blizzard has a golden opportunity since Nostalrius did all the reverse engineering for them.
>>335927769
>Would you guys want Blizz to roll out content like they did on retail, every 2-3 months or so?
Ideally, that is how it would work
>And would you like new raids/later XPAC raids retuned for level 60 40 man?
Wouldn't happen for a fuckload of reasons, best case scenario is that certain servers would cycle through certain expansions and their patches, and then others would slowly progress upwards until retail content.
If they introduce burning crusade or anything balance related I'm not playing.
>>335927876
Maybe wait until after the weekend to continue. We will get a clearer picture of what will happen
>>335927383
Living bomb and Corrupted blood got fixed pretty fast so the answer is no.
>>335927901
It wasn't really reverse engineering. They took BC and dumbed it down for compatibility reasons, then remade quests with content datamined years ago. So what that means is, it's buggy. And Blizzard couldn't sell an incomplete product.
I mean, they did when Silithus came out. But that was long, long ago.
>>335916603
>the problem of the game is that it has less busy-work and grinding
wow, it was like people want actual good content like raids and dungeons
>people wanna go back to 5 minute blessings and 10 min priest buffs
They need to improve going forwards, not backwards.
Going backwards isn't going to bring dead and/or gone friends back.
>>335928034
There's addons for buff timers, literally takes zero effort.
>>335927007
I always played horde back in the day, so I'd probably roll some Alliance Priest
>>335928116
>literally takes zero effort
Just like everything in Vanilla
>>335928018
>So what that means is, it's buggy
t. Retailcuck who never even heared about Nost before it got shut down
>>335928053
I must be the only one who wants to play vanilla for the game and couldn't give a fuck about the community, really.
>>335923397
All of them, but mostly the story, world, quests, and mood.
>>335927007
I think I'll remake my old Tauren character. Can't decide if I want to make him a Shaman or a Hunter, though.
>>335910239
Blizzard fans really like to jump to conclusions. I guess that's why every expac is the best ever until you get tired of it and pull a 180.
I'm already playing ffxiv so I don't know if I would give it up just for vanilla wow.
I would like to experience the end game content and the tight knit community and spontaneous faction wars over various places.
Sure in wrath you could find dicks camping hillsbrad or the crossroads, but that's not the same thing.
Plus I want to play a shaman tank, back how shamans were originally designed.
They're just another type of caster now, but back then before shamans and paladins were available to both factions they were meant to unique to each faction and perform similar roles as to be balanced.
legacy servers with dks?
>>335928218
Stay assblasted.
>>335910239
remember kids, don't give blizzard any money.
>>335928364
>I don't have an argument
Please don't fall for the hype. There is no reason to trust blizzard anymore to do anything right. There are enough privats out there that offer exactly what a legacy server is supposed to be like
>>335928418
>I'm rectum ravaged
>blizz will make it so you have to start fresh and have to pay monthly to play
Blizzard wins again
What was you first WoW vid, /v/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo
>mfw obvious asshurt blizzdrones flood the thread with various "this is a bad idea" or "I won't play" posts
Yeah right. This will be that 'pristine server' shit that no one wants.
Playing on a legacy server seems awesome but I don't know if it will ever be the same since I'm not a 15 year old with no job or real life obligations anymore
But I guess nothing can bring that back.
>>335928418
Neither did you, I countered your stupid low buff time argument and you then went off on a tangent.
>>335912750
>I have more pull
>a cunt youtuber
>doesn't work for blizzard
>whores herself
>I love wow
>more pull than an ex lead developer
>on a first name basis with the CEO.
Trade chat is such a fucking bitch it's unbelievable. She makes videos and turns off the comments because "muh feelings"
>>335928473
the funeral crash
>>335928304
>shaman tank
>>335928225
lol I haven't played retail since the ass end of Cata and played Nost to 60. It's buggy as shit. Incorrect item, spell values, spawn timers, mismatched pathing and any quest that involved triggered spawns were all broken. All private servers are. They aren't going to sell it at that level, but they might be able to work out a licensing right, which in all honesty is the best option.
Fuck off with your presumptive bullshit. Contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion while simultaneously misunderstanding the point of the post. Nice.
>>335915482
yes and if it looks good at the beginning ill probably drop the $41 to get 6 months
>>335928462
Sounds neat, I'll pay for that
>>335928462
>have to pay monthly to play
no shit
>retailfags btfo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
>>335928525
I AIN'T NO GODDAMN SON OF A BITCH
>>335928304
I'm working on a Vanilla Shammytank guide, will post in a thread whenever I get around to finishing it.
>>335928424
>There is no reason to trust blizzard anymore to do anything right.
If they fuck it up nobody will play it, simple as that. I trust Blizzard as far as I could throw them but this is an absolute no brainer; people just want progressive legacy servers, they'd be pretty hard pressed to fuck it up monumentally.
>>335928514
You're out of your mind if you think taking forever equates to effort or skill.
Artificial longevity is a bullshit concept to get you to keep paying that subscription and you're a fucking moron for falling for it.
So what will you do to piss off nugstalga classes the most? I'll just go full top DPS class and just constantly gank them :)
>>335928304
>hey were meant to unique to each faction and perform similar roles as to be balanced.
Yes, healing and nothing else.
>>335928547
>>335928546
>get something free
>put loads of hours into it
>gets taken away
>potential paid return
>being okay with it
You are literally feeling jews more money.
>>335928492
>mfw people get butthurt about blizzard offering an old game again
>>335928473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tK-PD45X0
This is the first one I ever watched.
>>335928678
hunter
need EVEYRTHING
>>335915482
I'll propably play only because the PVP was fucking top tier. old AV and shit top tier. and unbalanced as everliving fuck. but I loved that rock paper scissors shit so much. I would however only raid on the current gear in mythics , as they are the only content that requires any resemblance of skill and co-ordination. top tier PVP too maybe. tho hacks ruined that shit for me pretty hard.
>no flying mounts
>no instant raid or instasnce groups
>have to stand around in low level zones to queue up for pvp by standing in red shimmery portals
>pvp battles that literrally last weeks
>paladins and druids being unkillable
>warriors that are immortal in the best available gear
>level 60 only
>ancient graphics pre cata update
it's shit
>>335928731
yeah, they're offering WC3, WC2, Diablo 2, and StarCraft 1
How fucking hard is that to understand
>>335928678
Nani?
>>335928521
Just ignore her, she's seen that this Legacy server discussion has brought a lot of attention to WoW and she's just flailing her arms about like a stupid child to try and get some of the attention for herself.
It's pathetic and behaviour like that should just be flat out ignored.
>>335924468
>Story was better, you were a cog in the machine fighting all over the world, now you are THE HERO fighting the big bad on the poster
This is one of my biggest complaints about WoW story direction. It breaks immersion and turns the game into a single player experience. Suddenly the world starts spinning around your character instead of your character being a part of the world.
The garrison fiasco was the cherry on the top of this game design philosophy.
>>335928473
Some video of a group of dick-ass UD rogues. I remember because the video showed "OMG LASERGUNS PEW PEW PEW" text and I found that fun back in the day for some reason.
>>335910239
I'd sub again if this became a thing, i've never played vanillia before and always wanted to experience it.
>>335928728
>make a product
>someone uses it without your permission
>gets donations to stay afloat by a few richfags and moralfags
>decide to take it back and spread the debt evenly
wew
>>335928521
The CEO of Blizzard has no say on what the company does? What a dumb bitch.
>>335928304
>mfw paladin tanks were so bad even shaman were better at it
>>335928656
What in the name of christ are you talking about? Did you reply to the wrong person?
>>335928521
she's always been an idiot, but her shit on the legacy server stuff was 100% all pulled from reddit headlines and she has zero knowledge on the subject.
Mark Kern is a faglord as well but tradechat is irrelevant to everyone except whiteknight cucks who want to fuck her.
>>335928565
Wow it's almost like the Horde hub for WoD was Dalaran/Farmville Simulator and not Org.
>>335928823
>eternally butthurt
>>335928786
This hearthstone always kills me
>>335928958
>being this much of a braindead retard
>>335928630
And I'm perfectly fine with that. It's not like there are no other other servers to play besides nos
All I see from people wanting legacy servers is a bunch of children whining. People unsubbed because they wanted legacy; not because they didn't like Blizzard or had issues with current WoW, no, it was because they threw a tantrum.
And Kern has been out of Blizzard for over 10 years (and got kicked out of the company he founded himself, kek). He thinks he knows what he's talking about when he has no clue about the inner workings of ActiBlizzard and how they run the game now. He's no bigger a crying child than the others, except people banded behind him after he tweeted that petition.
Everyone thinks of the positive outcomes of legacy servers, but never the negative. And there'll be negative repercussions. Current subs going over won't bring in new money, people will be whining for TBC (I honestly would love to play TBC again) or Wrath, running entirely different sets of servers (at least 4; PVE, PVP, RP, RP-PVP), putting staff to run those servers (GMs, bug fixers, maintenance), and the eventual washout of the people clamoring for legacy.
Go ahead and call me a shill all you want, but this won't be all sunshine and rainbows.
>inb4 wrathbaby/you never played vanilla/ect
Been playing since 2006.
>>335928820
>no flying mounts
>no instant raid or instance groups
>have to stand around in low level zones to queue up for pvp by standing in red shimmery portals
>pvp battles that literally last weeks
>paladins and druids being unkillable
>warriors that are immortal in the best available gear
>level 60 only
I don't see the problem
>ancient graphics pre cata update
Unless they update it.
Nice spelling by the way.
these type of servers literally saved runescape so i wouldnt be surprised people will keep vanilla alive for years, likely will be some community voted updates eventually.
>>335928820
All of the shit you just listed are positives.
>>335928621
An autist who played on Nost, forum handle "drdoom" actually had some intelligent testing and input in the shaman forums regarding shaman tanking. Maybe that could help you?
You'll have to wade through some garbage to find it but much of it seems like usable number crunching information. He very clearly had/has a lot of free time.
>>335928894
Previous threads suggested they made no money from it and they were fully self funding it.
Which post is a lie? The on I read? Or the one I'm reading?Servers are cheap as shit to run anyways,plus seeing this as a good thing is pretty stupid, you're jumping from generous hands into jewish hand.
>>335929135
That's the joke
>>335927007
Orc Warlock
Human Paladin
Forsaken Warrior
Dwarf Hunter
In that order.
>>335928565
That fucking laugh. This video always makes me smile.
>>335928656
>You're out of your mind if you think taking forever equates to effort
doesn't it though
of course it would be quantity of effort over quality of effort, but that's still applied effort nonetheless
>>335929169
Jews made the product and have the rights to it. The generous hands should have been more generous and made their own original IP.
>>335929248
Sounds like you're in RFD/RFK at the end
>>335928019
>>the problem of the game is that it has less busy-work and grinding
That's such a vague response, it seems invalid.
>actual good content like raids and dungeons
Stuff that Blizz has to QA.. Theme park content isn't sustainable for how the community absorbs it.
>>335929028
Nostalrius had 16000 people playing on peak hours. That's enough to fill 6 normal vanilla servers. Add in 2-3k from kronos and other servers, and you'll have a population that's guaranteed to stay. And then there'll be literal hundreds of thousands of retailbabbies coming in to give "that vanilla game" a try, and some of them are bound to stay.
>>335927132
Vanilla attunements are fine.
You only had to do them once, and they weren't stupid like BC where you had to repgrind your balls off.
BC is the reason why they thought attunements were a bad idea, when really, they were just bullshit in BC due to being time gated and having to beat kael and vashj to do hyjal and BT, which were easier then T5
>>335922816
jesus christ this is some top tier delusion
Modern WoW is so fucking shit I can't wait for legacy servers to just obliterate it.
>>335929028
>People unsubbed because they wanted legacy; not because they didn't like Blizzard
nice generalization, plenty of people steer clear of modern day Blizzard because they fucked over every game they had
>ran WoW into the ground
>failed to support SC2 when MOBAs were on the rise
>released the abortion that was Diablo 3
I don't really care what they do with "pristine" servers if they even ever become a thing, but Blizzard as a company has gone to shit. The fact that even WoTLK / CATA babies abandoned the game speaks volumes.
>>335929282
I'm not saying they don't have the rights to do it, I'm just saying seeing paying for a previously free service is pretty bad, they should at least make a week-month free trial or have a f2p/p2p service.
>just got through the hell that was 45-60 on another private server
>now they're announcing that i have to do it all over again this weekend
>>335929373
The dark portal event was shit compared to AQ.
>paladins are alliance only
>shamans are horde only
you sure you want to go back?
>>335929028
If you really think over 5 million people, over half the playerbase, left the game because vanilla, you need to really look at what the current game is like
>>335927876
no matter what, even if it happened, these are baby steps. you know how to long it would take to roll out entire new servers for a game? it would be months in the making. this is only if they confirmed it, which they won't, so you'll have plenty of time to get to 60 and have fun.
>>335929142
I remember him, though I didn't actively play on Nost, just liked to hang around for discussion (name was Mizu on the forums).
I tanked on Rebirth since early 2012, through various states of bugginess, and the class was sadly pretty busted on Nostalrius.
Why the fuck would anybody buy Legion or play modern WoW if vanilla, TBC or wotlk is available?
Blizzard would be stupid to get up legacy realms.
>>335929142
It's completely viable but the biggest problem is they don't have crush resistance that warriors have so at best they can tank adds, IIRC.
So invalidates them for MC, 4 horsemen and AQ brothers.
>>335929487
>Factions are even more unique
Yes, stop asking.
>>335929328
Doesn't help when they only give us 1 tier of viable content that is designed to be beaten in less then 3 hours with difficulty modes and useless gear as the only alternative.
>>335929487
yes
>>335929467
you know what else is free? Pirated games, movies, and music. Should we all just stop buying all forms of digital media because we can get most of it for free?
>>335929431
>nice generalization
So, the shitload of retweets Kern did from people saying 'im unsubbing until they bring legacy servers' is a generalization? I'm strictly talking about the legacy babies.
>>335929490
See above.
>>335929521
>package in vanilla server access with Legion
Wow that was fucking hard you dumbass
>>335929521
they'll get their sub fees, and that's what matters
>>335929543
Nah, they can tank most of MC at gear level, just no MTing Magmadar/Golemagg/Garr (keep them off of Molten Destroyers too). Shaman make godlike progression FR tanks.
>>335929521
There are plenty of drones with no taste that would still play retail, there's a few of them in this thread as well.
>>335929521
Runescape did it and have been making significantly more profits.
Look, dude, if all they have to do is rehash some old shit, that cuts down on development time (after the initial start), upkeep, and necessary employees pretty much across the board.
>>335929612
Blizzard was no longer making money from this version of the game and was perfectly fine to be pirated, once a poducer/artist/developer stop earning any kind of income from a product, you can pirate it. But if you pirate a service that is still making money for the creator, thats fucking awful.
>>335929752
I highly doubt that. It's mostly shitposting and pretending to be retarded. Literally nobody would prefer WoD/Legion over vanilla in a unironic way.
>>335928218
Hahaha have you even played Vanilla? Everything in that fucker took way too much effort if anything lol
We win. Fuck Blizzard.
>>335924724
I think it's gonna be like primal Wow, the game runs on 3.3.5 and progresses from vanilla content to Wow, with updated graphics and hopefully nothing else. But then i guess people would bitch about the fact that it's not exactly 1.12 so we really cant say.
Ah shit page 9, time really flies when you're talking about retail WoW.
>>335929543
>>335929730
Also, they could survive a couple of the Horsemen just fine, but they're completely incapable of doing reliable tank swaps so that invalidates them for a different reason entirely.
>>335929856
>millions of vanilla subs
As usual blizzard win.
>>335929625
And who are you to judge people that don't like current wow anymore and decide to drop it? People that do this kind of stuff were on the edge anyway to do so. Now that there is a realistic chance for them to go back, then talk in the only language blizzard speaks, and that is not giving them money, or flooding the whole net why they shut down a server
>>335929467
WoW is already F2P.
>>335929879have you done this before?
>>335929927
They got cucked by the Nostalrious devs.
>>335929895
My guild had always used them for trash pulls. But that was long ago so I guess I'm out of the loop now.
>>335929952
>buy the game
>free
Unless they make a version of the game digital with limited gameplay I have no idea.
If they have, I apologise for that point but still stand by other point.
>>335930009
>they are going to profit with this pr mess
"cucked" indeed anon
>>335930143
>not about the sub
The game is like $10 plus the xpac. Everybody probably already has the game, especially after the sub numbers on launch.
>>335930143
they did
you can play until level 20 without paying a dime
>>335922816
>Oh & Medivh was also suppose to appear
Woah really?
>>335930230
the game is free until level 20
>legacy servers are going to happen
>civil war doesn't suck
>netflix just ordered punisher series
it's like we are living in the version of the matrix that the machines think we want
>>335930292
It was just a cameo in frostfire ridge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX-PlpsmeYw
>>335930252
That sounds interesting, but how much content can you get in 20 levels?Not trying to be sarcastic, genuine question.
>>335910239
>legacy servers will die before end of the year
What's the next thread about?
Sandbox mechanics?
cucked content from wod http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1874264-A-collection-of-all-known-cut-delayed-content-in-Warlords-of-Draenor
>>335930425
maybe a few hours at current leveling rate
but that's a couple of hours multiplied by the number of starting zones and classes you can choose from
>>335913226
I do. I never played vanilla wow so I'll check it out. Hit the level cap, do all the raids, then quit. Sounds like a good few months to me
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