>Increases Poise by +12.50
>+1 Version (NG+): + 17.50
>+2 Version (NG++): + 20.00
Anon I'm new to dark souls. What does this ring do?
poise is your ability to resist impacts.
with high enough poise you have a greater chance of not being staggered by attacks
>>335887440
Nothing.
>>335887509
>implying poise does anything
>>335887509
lol jk we turned that off
It increases the amount of poise damage you can take before going into a dizzy state.
Poise no longer effects hitstun.
This.
>>335887440
it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BECAUSE WE TURNED OFF POISE LMAO
>>335887440
poise is turned off so it doesn't do anything right now
so glad I waited to buy ds3, if not just for the jewish prices
>>335887509
>>335887560
>>335887576
>>335887589
I'm confused...
>>335887616
But then why is this ring in the game?
Are the developers like stooopid?
>>335887616
Can anyone explain me whey they did it?
>>335887440
Nice poise you have there. Be a shame if... hahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHA R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 HIS DEAD LMFAO HAHAHAHAHA
>>335887440
Anyone notice they also changed weapon repair last second? Now weapons autorepair at bonfire, causing them to never really break. Yet their are repair powders in the game and ringss that increase durability.
Its like last second they made major changes to the game for no reason.
>>335887672
Because in the first game, it led to absurd situations like an invader just walking through your attacks and going for a backstab before you finish your animation.
>>335887440
>>335887665
>>335887672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldIxzYQ7nIw
Yes DS1 poise is in 3. Yes its turned off. Why? LMAO B team
>>335887761
Try using the Moonlight Greatsword or similar durability as ammo weapons.
>>335887672
It's how it worked in bloodborne plus a new dizzy system that they are calling poise.
DaS poise is not the same as DaS3 poise.
>>335887816
I hope this never comes back.
>>335887736
>people actually believe this thing is fair and balanced
I hope you cocksuckers keep defending it because there's literally nothing that can stop me when using this damn thing.
>>335887969
>Me being able to stun enemies every hit is better xDDD
Shitter detected.
The only thing remotely similar to poise in 3 is hyper armor meaning during attacks and certain weapon arts you can't be interrupted.
Why it's on regular armor when a havel user can be stunlocked by estoc/dark sword is beyond me.
>>335887996
What so broken about that thing? I never used it
>>335888030
Considering they can stun you back the same way, yeah it is better.
It's more like Demon's Souls or BB now.
>>335888178
>It's more like Demon's Souls or BB now.
>I'm okay with total garbage online pvp
>>335888120
Massive damage, long reach, low weight, low stamina usage, fast swings
IT'S OKAY WHEN MIYAZAKI DOES IT
BASED S-TEAM
>>335888335
And a terrible R2, meaning anyone with it will just spam easy to parry R1s.
>>335888267
>Dark Souls pvp > DeS/BB pvp
Should have just told me you've never pvp'd.
>>335888370
SSS++ TEAM DOES IT AGAIN GOD KING MIYAZAKI MAKES PERFECT GAMES REGARDLESS OF HIS TEAM
>>335888424
Maybe if the netcode wasn't horrible or if the parry system worked instead of putting them in a parry state while draining all my stamina and hurting and staggering me.
>>335887810
Why not just deactivate it for PvP then? It's retard to get stunned by a fucking rat while wearing full Havel's.
>>335888335
Does it have high dps for PvE, or is it mostly movesets for PvP?
>>335888424
R2 is fine if youre not a retard. its rather quick compared to other r2s
but generally speaking using the dark sword means r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 parry r1
+10 heavy dark sword is completly retarded. way too much dmg for a quick sword with such a long range. doesnt keep me from using it in pvE , when i get invaded i switch to the dragonslayer axe.
>>335887996
Spears. You literally can't get more annoying than pokepokepoke with a long-reaching spear and fast-roll.
>>335888468
>DeS pvp better
DUDE 2KAT LMAO! ! !
>>335888030
>I haven't even played the game
>>335888627
spears are pretty weak in pvp. maybe you need to git gud?
>mainly use ugs in pve
>rats and dogs are the most dangerous enemies
thanks from
>poise is turned off
>weapon degradation is near nonexistent
>straight sword are better than other weapons as a whole
>sorcery builds are crao
Other than the last one they're all easily fixable. By the time the complete edition is out they'll probably be worked out
>>335888771
>use a spear
>dogs become a fucking nightmare
I'm appreciating that I can't just steamroll everything with the standard longsword that I unfortunately used my entire first playthrough but holy shit.
>>335888702
Are you crazy? You can't do shit against someone who's patient and just pokes n' flips all day. It was even worse in DaS but also rare so nobody complained.
Just means more funmail for me.
>>335888702
I've been winning most of my fights with a fucking four pronged plow. Nobody can try and tell me spears are weak.
Dark Souls1 spears were useful because they were great weapons for abusing poise and shield turtling like a tool. In Dark Souls 3 they're great weapons because like short swords you can stunlock things very easily, but unlike short swords you aren't opening yourself up to parries or counter stunlocks because THEY CAN'T HIT YOU FROM ALL THE WAY OVER THERE
>put on smough/havel armor
>the enemies in the starting area stuns you on first hit
>>335887839
Why didn't they just make it cost FP? Moonlight's attacks always costed MP in the King's Field games.
>>335887761
Shit durability weapons can actually break if you don't visit a bonfire between invasions. And they actually semi break at like 30% durability and start to deal less damage. Lost once because of that, didn't expect it to break before durability reaches 0.
>>335888925
>Full charged greatsword R2
>A leaf gently caresses my face sensually as I swing
>Staggered
>>335888468
*eats grass*
98 left...
heh...
>>335887761
Meh, it's not like durability ever added anything to the games. I'd like to see deflected, blocked and hits that strike a hard part of a monster eat away at your durability faster so it's a bit more organic and actually forces a change in your playstyle but that'll never happen.
>>335887996
Wouldn't be a problem if FROM buffed other weapons.
Do greatswords swing a little faster since the new patch? It's hard to tell but I swear there's a slight difference.
>>335889098
Make durability like Severance Blade of Darkness.
Weapons don't intrinsically lose durability. But weapons and shields lose durability very quickly when blocking or parrying.
Did they buff or nerf magic in the 1.06 patch? I swear reading these patch notes makes me wonder if someone just ran shit through google translate.
>>335888658
You forgot +5 Blessed Mirdan hammer and HP recovery stacking.
>>335888869
>offhand a torch
Problem solved
>>335887440
I love how the Lothric spear gives poise, yet I'm not sure if spears even have hyper armor.
Hmmm...
Hmmmmm...
Hmm... Hmmm...
Oh!
Miyazaki is a hack.
Everyone only thinks straightswords are OP because everything else is nerfed to oblivion.
Nothing does substantial damage without being slow as fuck and able to interrupt repeatedly.
Honestly Dark Souls 3 is just Demon's Souls 2 in regards to weapon balancing. Terrible.
All they need to do is make poise work like DaS2. It was actually pretty balanced there.
>>335889058
>*poises through your attack*
>[hornet ring backstabbing intensifies]
>*black flame your corpse*
>*tip my mother's mask*
Nothing personnel, kid.
>>335889406
Yeah, I am consantly trying to force myself to use anything other than Illythrian straight sword or the lothric knight sword (aka Balder swag sword), but it is pointless.
Even katanas have slower swings and high stamina drain
>>335889427
>not *parrying the air above your arse as you try to get up, only to get your rear penetrated again*
l2p
>>335889501
I used greatswords one handed with a shield in every game (even Bloodborne, the moonlight greatsword became my main weapon) until Dark Souls 3, where it seems like one handing a greatsword is just not worth it, so I backed up into using the dark sword until the sunlight straight sword fell into my hands. That thing's weapon art boosts it's attack obscenely.
B..but muhyazaki
If this wasnt by miyazaki you shitters would be hating it like you did ds2
Its funny that when compared to scholar this one fails in all areas except level design ( but not world design) graphics and music.
It has the worst balance, worst pvp and worst lore
>>335889975
Never knew someone with such shit taste could exist yet here you are.
>>335889738
I beat the entirety of NG+ with the Greatsword and Yohrm's Greatshield while wearing full Gundyr's set so I was at a constant 99% weight. It is entirely viable, its just beyond not fucking fun at all and too frustrating for me to even consider doing a heavy build ever again.
After playing through this game 6 times, I can safely conclude DS1 and even DS2 had way more build variety because of the way poise and stamina consumption on blocks and weapon swings worked on those games compared to DS3, as well as how fast and aggressive some enemies and bosses can be.
In DS3 its either rolling and a fast weapon or you're going to have a horribly frustrating time playing.
>>335890039
Are you saying this game has better balance, pvp and lore?
Are you fucking retarded?
>>335888869
what
spears make dogs even easier
>shield up
>walk to their side when they attack
>poke twice behind shield
Some bosses and enemies are a fucking nightmare on spears only build though, the crocodile dogs and Oceiros are pain in the fucking ass.
>>335890178
Are you saying das2's lore is worth shit?
>>335890181
The crocodile dogs fuck me because of camera angles and I've yet to die to Oceiros despite 4 playthroughs, so that's a fight to look forward to I guess.
>>335888468
Every souls game has flawed pvp
DeS = 99 grass, second chance, scraping spear etc
DaS1 = backstabbu
DaS2 = Hexes still incredibly strong, but actually rather balanced otherwise due to balance patches. Backstabs never hit however.
BB = roll and gun spam and instant kills
DaS3 = Either noobs winning with R1 spam dark sword, or people doing the unbeatable two handed greatshield strat.
>>335890043
I've seen more build variety playing DaS3 for 30 hours than I saw in my 200+ hours on DaS
Poise is exactly what killed build variety and PvP of DaS, it favors selected few fast as fuck weapons and armor min-maxing.
DaS2 had fucking amazing build variety though, can't argue with that.
>>335887736
>>335887996
nice darksword fag
it would be a shame if it didnt work
>>335889098
durability would ge bood and work if it worked like in Dark Souls, where the budget is huge but the weapons don't auto repair. Weapon Arts would use up more durability than normal attacks so you'd have to take care of your weapon if you abuse it more.
>>335889406
also flat damage buffs that have always been more useful on faster weapons.
>>335890256
You didnt answer
And yes. Scholar of the first sin has the best lore of the series. Aldia, vendrick, the crowns and kings. The shards of manus, drangleic and the loss of personal identity.
Dks3 doesnt compare. I need to wait for the 3 dlcs since vanilla dks2 lore was shit
>>335887440
literally nothing
b-b-but it's better that way poise was too op thanks fromsoft
>>335890321
The issue with Oceiros is that he is skinny as shit and the hitboxes are tight so you will be missing most of your pokes during the second phase, he isn't hard but it's just frustrating fight because of that.
Same thing with the dogs, after their attacks they always start raising their heads so poking them from the front is hard as fuck and keeping at their sides to have decent damage is hard because of their mobility.
Both are basically annoying with spears due to vertical or horizontal swings, which are just super useful in PvP
On the other hand Pontiff is easy as shit with spears and you will probably do new record time beating Wolnir
Whoever designed that ring needs to be lynched. Why the fuck is the picture tilted? Who sits down and thinks "Yeah, let me just tilt the design 70 degrees." It'd look like shit if someone was wearing it!
>>335890178
What lore? Ds 2 lore was fanart, made vague on purpose. You know what guys, lets introduce something called the first sin and never explicitly explain what it is. That'll get people thinking. Oh we so smart.
>>335890321
You need to tank the dogs. BUt on havel's armor even if you can't walk, and use havel's shield ability to turn to stone. Then twohand the fuckers while healing. He can't do shit like that
>>335890687
3 only has 2 DLCs though. They'll hopefully be TOH sized though considering the second isn't due out til next year. Unless they make poise actually do something then I think I'll have lost all interest by then, PVP is literally who's faster and has highest AR.
>>335890687
>SotfS has best lore
DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR
>>335887736
whats the hype over this sword? I just been throwing them away b/c they do shit damage. Something I missed?
>>335890742
but Aldia says what it was.
>>335890742
The fact you dont know what the first sin was invalidates your post and opinion.
Dks3 lore is even more vague
>>335887969
Yes because if I'm wearing fucking something like the Drakeblood set I should obviously start flailing around like a mentally retarded 7 year old when hit by a dagger
>>335890852
it's the highest dps weapon in the game (ignoring bleed, which varies with enemy resistances)
>>335890725
I always found Pontiff easy and Wolnir moreso (Pontiff is literally every boss move set from DS2 rolled into one, plus he clones himself yet all the people shitting on DS2 love him, not that he's shit) but yeah. I've had a soft spot for the spear ever since DeS when I when +7 spear with Doran armour and Tower Shield, so hopefully I can get back into my mindset with it where I managed to figure out angling myself and timing to ensure hits connect.
>>335890552
>that one nigga who always post his webms
>which pit him against retarded fag who rolled into his attack
Nigga, try to post a fight that is worth shit to brag about.
>>335890878
>Dks3 lore is even more vague
What? It's on the nose and full of cliché.
Did they turn it off on purpose or was it an accident? I just want to know if poise is coming back some time in the future.
>>335890878
Fine I never played DS 2. WHenever I saw DS 1 footage, I always wanted to play it. Whenever I saw any DS 2 footage I felt utter disgust, terrible graphics, animations, bosses, bosses that are generic enemies, nothing but bosses with 3 moves at most, shit story that tries to copy DS 1 too much, shit looking area and enemies, shit ending, shit everything. Just look at the fume knight fight :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP_JGY7ZJsM
It's like some highschoolers learned to program in 4 months and decided to make a dark souls mod with PS 2 graphics.
This is fucking inexcusable.
Yeah ds 3 story is shit, but not as shit as DS 2
Dark souls= metal gear solid.
Scholar of the first sin= mgs2
Dark souls 3 = mgs4
And we know mgs2 is the misunderstood sequel that everyone hated on release but years later is considered the best all around.
Oh and bloodborne = mgs3
>>335889058
>98 left
You mean 593 left since there's 6 types of grass in DeS
>>335890742
They did say what the first sin was, are you high?
>>335887440
RAPIER
NERF
WHEN
I'm so fucking sick of these faggots. everyone and their fucking mother has one equipped. Can't you be a fucking normal person anddo something interesting? Shit. I'f you're going to use a rapier, at LEAST make Inigo Montoya or some other character build. I'd rather that than PREGNANT MOTHER GRETTA and then see a super skinny bitch wearing a cloak and light armor with an obscuring ring, flynn's ring, and a rapier. So sick of that. I usually fight invaders, even the ones that are just there to be a dick and troll. But if you have a rapier, enjoy my ALT+F4. I don't even care if anyone says I'm bad or git gud or whatever. FUCK RAPIERS. IM SO SICK OF THEM.
>>335891092
>I never played DS 2
Thanks for letting me know I shouldn't bother reading the rest.
>>335890968
>lets kill weapon and armor variety
Sure thing.
>>335891175
You don't need to eat a turd to know it's one.
Good to know you eat shit.
>>335891092
>never played the game
>complains about it
>>335891089
all you need to do to turn it on is change one value from 0 to 1, literally an intern can do it in a minute
they've released multiple patches and haven't done that
poise is never coming back
>>335891015
The main story yes. The lore is vague as shit
>>335891092
It didnt even try to copy das1 story, you just admited to not playing because of autism
>>335891237
>You don't need to eat a turd to know it's one.
>Good to know you eat shit.
>>335890542
DaS2 had good variety until you hit higher bracket SM.
Then everything was hybrid weapon buffing meta shit.
>>335888870
spears are really, really easy to parry, and UGSs have similar range
>>335891267
>It didnt even try to copy das1 story, you just admited to not playing because of autism
That makes no sense, saw playthroughs, it literally copies the story only in a different setting
>>335891257
Yeah I could do it myself, but I don't wanna get softbanned.
>>335890810
I could be wrong but i think miyazaki said it would be 3 dlc. One this fall the other next year and third one doesnt have a date yet
>>335890552
why does this shitter always post his shitter vs shittter fights?
this lis litrially the brandon of DS threads
>>335891347
point is, From could easily do it yet they won't
>>335889406
How bad was Demon's Souls weapon balancing? Its the only title I haven't played.
>>335891267
>The lore is vague as shit
I can't be bothered by that until the DLC releases. The only thing that manages to bother me are the black tumors on all the dead shit. It's the first thing you encounter on a boss, nobody mentions them, they can grow on all manners of creature and they friendly fire everything, even each other. and they're just there.
>>335890970
>Highest dps
> He never used Winged Knight Twinaxes
I dropped the dark sword because they use similar stamina but hit twice as much for the stamina cost and stagger more enemy's all while having similar damage per hit
>>335891460
It's the abyss infecting everything
>>335891419
everything in demon souls was op
>>335890552
guy got fuking flattened lol
>some SS fag invades me
>hit me once
>HA GA lets me hit him twice
>he gets scared and just rolls shields away waiting for me to attack
>i dont
>fight lasts 4 hours
BRAVO FROM
every. fucking. time
Does parrying a running katana R1 work?
>>335891460
>and they're just there.
Fire is going out the abyss is starting to overtake everything.
>>335891528
With FromSoft's netcoding I don't even try it, but I imagine you should be able to.
>>335891528
running katana R1s go back in time and hit you before you tried to parry so no
>>335891590
what about jump attacks? additionally does shield stability matter when parrying?
>>335891497
obviously, but the lack of care about them bothers me. NPC's are more concerned about whether I buy the wrong kind of spells from their friends or whether I give a mute harlot the tongue.
>>335891528
Just parry as soon as they're in range to do it.
You have to think like a katanafag and predict it.
>>335891673
Stability only is for stamina drain. Shield with 100 stability would use no stamina to block
>>335891691
Honestly don't think From gives a shit about these games anymore, the way they handled it. Think they just got paid a shitton to do one last DS game.
>>335891673
Pretty sure those jump attacks are unparryable. The other unparryable attacks yo0u should be on the lookout for are all Ultra Great weapons in 2hand mode, so all Great Axes, great hammers, and Ultra Great Swords when 2handed can't be parried except for rolling and dashing attacks.
>>335891781
They spent all their energy making Bloodborne and decided to half-ass parts of DS3
i think we can all agree
DS1 pvp = Melee
DS2/3 = Tr4sh
>>335891640
Instantenous poke attacks are a bitch to parry. Same with the annoying as shit twinsword rolling double poke, you almost have to parry when they are still rolling, or it'll be too late and you take a partial.
That and the horrid phantom ranges they have. If your opponent is retarded and decides its a good idea to do more pokeys after a few partials, they deserve to get parried. But thats just retards in a nut shell and nothing to brag about if you parry them.
>>335891853
Thanks, good to know
>>335891013
Yeh Wolnir is mad easy but with spears he seemed to go down even quicker. Maybe the DPS and reach absolutely wrecked his shit.
Which spear are you using anyway? I used Lothric Spear, but it actually has pretty slow one hand pokes so some other spear could be lot more useful for Oceiros and the crocodogs and Partizan has the slicing which might come super handy in both fights.
>>335887816
So why do people assume poise works the same way as before?
>>335888468
>DeS PVP
"Hang on let me just eat my 99th piece of grass while I stab the shit out of you with my scraping spear and break all your shit lmao I'm such an epic troll"
>DaS PVP
"DUDE NINJA HAVEL GIANT DAD LMAO"
>DaS2 PVP
R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1
"Why are my lightning spears only doing single digits of damage?"
>DaS3 PVP
R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1R1
>>335891876
i miss reverse lagstab canceling and togglebreak cheating
>>335891930
Different guy, I take it you've been using the Leo Ring? I've been doing great with +9 refined Lucenre and leo ring tonight, those counter damage hits in PvP are insane. Thinking about picking up a spear as I've a 40/40 quality build. M
okay poise DOES effect hyper armor frames
I've gotten more hyper armor frames with higher poise and punished raiper R1 spam
>>335891189
>lets kill weapon and armor variety
You mean the abundance of weapon variety already in DaS3 like katanas, straight swords, estocs, katanas, estocs, katanas, and straight swords?
>>335892042
my favorite DS3 pvp weapon is the tipple phantom summon spell.
costs nothing and it works eveytime.
>>335891528
i think you can parry everything except for weapon arts and maybe running R2s. does not apply to 2h ultra weapons or whips.
>>335892040
you can punish rapier spam naked with an ultra weapon, retard.
>>335892036
>I take it you've been using the Leo Ring?
Yep, always rock it with spears.
I'll probably try and pick up the Dragon Ashes today and upgrade all the spears I have to +9 to test out the damages and movesets and shit. Lothric Spear so far seems like it has the best AR, downsides being shitty running R1 and WA, favorite is probably Tailbone Spear, great moveset and the WA is fun to use. It has less damage than some others though.
>>335890552
>win
>instead of bowing he just chugs estus
>using ring for fashion but grass shield in the back
>>335892212
it works even better, I've hyper armor through more rapier attacks in a row with more poise
>>335892040
>>335892306
epic wishful thinking
but hey anything to defend miyahacki right?
>>335892306
it's probably your imagination, unless you've been doing testing against the same person.
>someone wins a fight
>uses clap emote
every time
>>335892161
Some weapon arts like katanas and greatswords are easy as piss to parry.
Sacred flame and/or iron skin is gonna get nerfed i just know it. This series caters to the lowest common denominator now.
>>335892368
>>335892371
it even works for ULTRA weapons
I've posed through Lorian's normal R1s too
>>335891141
Hi
I use a rapier
80% of the people who kills me knows the basics of parry
Learn to parry my man.
>>335892380
I use the clap emote for everything
>Host dies on boss
>Invader dies
>Abyss watchers going gladiator on each other
>Target whiffs an attack
>Target drinks Estus
It's my go-to emote for everything
>>335892438
you can hyper armor through literally anything regardless of what you're wearing, friend.
>>335891950
Because every STRfag knows the pain of getting staggered halfway by a dagger no matter how much poise they stack. DaS3 poise seems negligible to nonexistent The video shows that the code for traditional poise still exists in the game but is disabled. This gives a possible explanation for why poise sucks.
>>335892537
I couldn't do it before now I can
>>335892386
Oh and the shield poke arts like estoc and some dagges are also really easy to parry. It baffles me tho that they are even parryable, since they are already slow as shit and their purpose is to IGNORE shields.
>>335892603
You are wrong.
>they want das1 poise back
>they want the havel hornet backstab fishers back
>>335892603
yeah that's called confirmation bias
>>335892603
you probably suck at being consistent.
>>335891527
Always carry a secondary weapon, I prefer using a heavy estoc. When people start acting like faggots, you have to become THE faggot.
>>335892749
but you can just walk away from a bacstab attempt for a free backstab now.
>parry straight sword or estoc shitter
>they disconnect right as my FUGS hornet ring riposte animation starts
R1 spam won't win you fights against competent players so you disconnect like a little bitch when you're about to die. That's fucking pathetic.
>>335892749
Have you even played the game? Backstabs are impossible unless you parry fish and go through their animation because for some reason the character model becomes translucent when parrying.
>>335892749
>they want built variable back
criminal everything should be build around my laaging mini game.
>>335887665
>why is this ring in the game
To troll you.
To drive you crazy.
He did it on purpose just like the useless pendant in the first game.
Miyazaki is laughing at all you retards right now getting mad about a placebo stat, because in souls half the time that's all those slight stat increases effectively are: placebo.
He put a useless starting item in DS1, a useless reward in Bloodborne, and now an entire useless stat and ring. You can stop shitposting now because the game is literally 2deep4u.
>>335892842
i'd rather do that than chase them around because you can't hit someone using the carthus ring that doesn't try to attack.
>>335892824
>>335892863
daggers do the confirmation faster then any other weapon
>>335892820
>spear and carthus shotel
>keep my distance and poke
>they start to turtle
>whip out my shotel and tear them a new one
>>335892916
I'm pretty sure Ultra weapons with hornet ring have the fastest confirm, while the hornet ring apparently slows the dagger confirm.
>>335892901
>poise
>build variety
>>335891092
>let me tell you why you're wrong for enjoying this game that I haven't played and clearly know nothing about
Dark Souls 2 does look like shit, but you're a complete retard. Consider suicide.
>They patch in poise again
>Around the same values of dark souls 1
>The fast weapon r1 shitters start using heavy armor and tanks everything
>big weapon hyperarmor doesn't give you any advantage
>the crying starts again
People really don't know what they want.
>>335892901
>Dark souls 1
>build variety
>>335892968
>implying you can play tank in 3
>>335892441
I understand parries. parries aren't a thing when you are using builds that disregard them entirely. I like the whip build I'm fiddling with. I like the great weapon build that incorporates weapon arts without 2handing. I like my bow build.
I get that people do different builds for different reasons but Its not fun when you get invaded by mr min/max the instant you enter an area (and constantly after having to use another ember) and all they do is taunt and hide behind enemies. I like to do silly builds with my friends and when we run into decent invaders we don't gank, we take turns and have FUN with it.
honestly, you sound like a very reasonable person and I would probably pvp with you regardless of rapier if I knew it was you.
>>335888596
DS1 rats also had an unpoisable jump attack.
>>335892916
Well yeah I know that since I do use them, but even they can miss. Stabbing with them only works well against great hammers and buckler parry spammers. Other weapons are quite a lot harder to stab.
>>335893004
Big weapon with hyper armor and greatshields work great for tanks though.
>>335893001
hyper armor is a hard concept to grasp for pcbabbies
>>335892842
>R1 spam once in the beginning of the fight.
>Parry shitter starts trying to parry
>Start 2-hitting
>Parry shitter misses the parry
>2-hit them after their parry animation
>Parry shitter gets that you're smarter than trying to R1 spam again.
>Do it again.
>Win
Parry fags are tryhards and so very easy to fool.
>>335888869
Use the Partizan, the sweep attack is amazing in PvE.
>>335893001
>They patch in poise again
>Around the same values of dark souls 1
>The fast weapon r1 shitters start using heavy armor
>they're still nothing to people who aren't brain dead and know how to parry
Here's an idea, but would require reworking the stats:
Make equip load governed by str instead of vit. This way casters and dexfags can't spec into heavy armor without putting points into a stat their playstyle doesn't use, while str builds can because being able to ignore hits to get their slower attacks off is essential to their playstyle
>>335893261
Doesn't matter anyways, heavy armor is shit in 3, and STR players already have hyperarmor.
>>335890840
Currently DS2+DLC is better in almost every way compared to DS3, besides final bosses.
Same for BB+DLC.
DS3's DLCs better be fucking made of diamonds and they better fix poise and PvP.
>>335893351
the only thing that's better in das2 isevery fucking mechanic related to combatexcept ADP
hyper armor through
the biggest hammer in the game!
>>335893551
adp is better than invincible rolls we have in 3.
>>335893563
his attack just ended before yours hit (thus no armor for him), another reason why hyper armor is actually shitty: it benefits the one that attacks later, not the first initator. Just chill and never attack first against other big weapons.
>>335893001
No one really used large weapons outside of meme builds in Dark Souls 1, though. They used katanas, rapiers, and spears with enough poise to tank great weapon hits.
>>335893753
Looks like they hit each other at the exact same time. I have also broken hyper armor with the greataxe on many occasions.
>>335893001
Big weapons were shit in 1 because they a) didn't combo, or b) you could just toggle out (or even toggle the first hit with 0 poise if you were a total tool who abused this).
>>335893846
you can't break hyper armor. you can hit before it activates, or after it ends
>>335887440
>+2 Version (NG++): + 20.00
Is it possible to give this to someone from my NG++ character and have them send it back to a new one? I know you can't with upgraded weapons but it's worth a try/
>>335893948
Except that I've landed a 2h greataxe slam on a guy just as he was 2 hand swinging a zwei at me, and we traded at exactly the same time but he was stunned and I wasn't.
>>335894076
i dropped +2 rings to someone on their first playthrough, so i don't see why not.
>>335887736
>using a Darkwraith's weapon
Pig Disgusting.
can I somehow make my weapon perma fire? When I use the item from the old lady it only lasts 5 minutes. Do I need to infuse fire gem?
>>335894193
That was lag. You got hit first, armored through it and hit him. Then he got stunned because his armor was already gone.
>>335894363
>Do I need to infuse fire gem?
I wonder what a fire gem would do...
>>335891376
It says 2 on the season pass. And no he didn't say 3. One in autumn, the next in 2017.
>>335894363
>Do I need to infuse fire gem?
Fire gem without scaling or Chaos gem with scaling.
>>335894363
I really wish infusion would give you the resin effect on weapons, just slightly duller.
>>335894417
Doubt it, because I swapped one handed as he rolled away then reflex-parried his running attack with a Caestus. There was no lag between us.
>>335891398
>Brandon
Who?
>>335894671
The main guy from the Mummy movies.
>>335888925
>put on onionbro armor
>the fucking rat people still stun you in one hit with their tiny ass axes
>>335894671
Oroboro
>>335891398
oroboro is the oroboro of das threads, since he literally started out trip fagging on 4chan
>>335894728
Thats Brendan you fucking nigger
>>335894773
>Put on a refrigerator
>Let someone kick you in the chest
>Act surprised as you topple over backwards
Physics, motherfucker.
>>335894779
Oh that cocksucker
>>335894839
>games are real life
>>335891950
Because they literally toggle a fucking toggled option in the game files and magically it does.
This isn't a mod or a fuckload of code being changed. This is a fucking 0 to a 1 in a single field. Literally an option toggle.
Poise is kinda dumb, it just makes it easy mode if you have heavy armor but a fast attacking weapon, they should just buff hyper armor on slower weapons.
>>335894839
>be 200lb fatass
>wear 100lb armor made of stone
>a 20lb dog jumps at me
>topple over backwards
woooow
>>335889738
>11%
>obscene
it's a very nice weapon art but come on mane
also it buffs your friends too
it also increases damage absorption
>>335894552
Parries pretty much ignore lag now. You can have horrible phantom ranges and damage delays, but parries still land like butter.
>>335889738
i was the same, except i'm not a shitter and now i just 2h UGSs.
what happened to the 1.06 update thing?
I have a few questions
I'm running around in the heaviest armor I can so far (Havel's before I can put on Smoughs) and using Yhorm's Greatshield, why am i stunned so quickly by everything?
How does poise work in this one if it's not on hits?
And i have questions about the darksword, what's a good way to run it/infuse it?
I'm level 270~ so I can reallocate my stats to fit anything I need
>>335895665
ecks dee
>>335895665
too obvious.
test
>>335890470
>backstabs
>a flaw
why is artorias associated with this ring? he doesn't seem tanky to me. all the other knights have a ring that fit them except artorias.
>>335895840
>Runs up the edge of the bridge
Out skilled
>>335887440
Here's a better question:
If I followed all the steps for the Usurpation Of Fire ending already and all i gotta do is face Lord of Cinder now can I use the firekeeper soul to remove my dark sigil without fucking up the ending/having yuria flip out?
>>335895738
>>335895715
I'm serious, I want to know how to actually be a big faggot in pvp with the sword. Last night I was invaded by a guy with a shotel and It was stunlocking me
>>335887440
Nothing because poise is disabled.
You can enable it through CE but that's a bannu.
>>335896132
you're not serious, because you're too obvious. and if you are, if you're SL 270 and haven't figured out how the stats and infusions work you might as well just quit.
>>335896068
Explain, have you tested it out? Because since I basically completed the quest and did all Yuria asked me to I don't see why it would change
Also, what exactly changes in the ending if you give the firekeeper the eyes?
>>335891419
there was one outright best weapon + one overpowered weapon for a specific build in each class that nothing else compared to
hammers, axes, and straight swords could infinitely stunlock with 2hr1 but you never used any of those except knight sword and blue blood sword
dragon bone smasher outdamaged everything else
dual katanas could infinitely stunlock by l1 push r1 repeat
dark silver shield made magic damage weak
daggers and fists could infinitely pushlock and applied the weapon's buff damage with each push
mirdan hammer infinitely stunlocked with 2hr1 and did ultra weapon level stamina damage to shields due to strike damage
the DeS estoc was the best it's ever been, imagine DaS3 estoc but far, far faster, with viable turtling, and oneshot backstabs/ripostes
northern regalia was the strongest non-ultra weapon in the game and required no scaling, oneshot people through backstabs, would crack second chance in one 2hr1 combo
second chance and cursed weapon were both so broken they were MANDATORY, you don't play without them, as such, the build variety was STR with second chance and cursed weapon vs DEX with second chance and cursed weapon
in short, abysmal
don't believe the fags saying it was balanced by being imbalanced
>>335887736
>invade some chucklefuck with my dual katanas because i'm a weeb
>it's a host with a dark sword
>he has a host with a phantom
>"sasuga hosto"
>take out my Lothric Knight Long Spear of Fucking Straight Swords in the Ass
>poke them while rolling away until host gets careless and approaches me with half his health
>r1-r1-r2 he dies
>welcome gesture his phantom
>>335896353
>>>he has a host with a phantom
holy fuck i'm actually mentally ill, i meant to say "he has a phantom with the dark sword"
>>335896208
I just powered through the game with the Exile's Greatsword, Lothric UG, and Washing Pole
My strength and dex are both 60 so I just shot for Refined on all 3 and use Lightning Blade with a +10 Canvas Talisman
I'm more curious what is better for PVP as using the Exiles only gets me so far, UGs are damn near unusable, and the Washing Pole is boring and easily parried
I want to use Lightning on the Darksword but if Chaos or Dark is better i'd rather do that
>>335896334
forgot to mention
toggle escape was in, but pushlock was inescapable
if a guy with eternal warrior ring and a buffed dagger pushed you, which was near instant, you died
>>335896216
eyes enable you to summon her instead of using the bonfire to trigger the endings.This leads to either letting the flame die, or you killing the firekeeper and taking the removed flame for yourself.
If you properly do the Yuria quest, it just changes the linking of fire ending to the lord of hollows one. They both trigger by using the bonfire.
What is this hyper armor everyone talks about?
>>335891096
this opinion is retarded, I think it's probably more like
mg1, 2 = des
mgs1 = ds1, the one everyone knows about
mgs3 = ds3, new sincerity
mgs4 = ds2, overcompensating
mgs2 = bloodborne, black sheep
>>335896552
So giving her the eyes still gives me the choice to either trigger the bonfire OR summon her or it automatically cuts to summoning the firekeeper?
That's the thing, I properly did all of Yuria's quests but I don't wanna look like a hollow anymore
>>335896852
go to the statue of velka in the sewer, pay like 30K souls and you'll look fine
It costs me 3million to heal my dark sign so i'd rather just be pretty
>>335887440
>DaS poise
>Get 56 to be able to tank great sword hit, just run through and back step. Anything heavier will never hit unless you're a retard.
>DaS3 has lol hyper armour staggered by everything anyway
There's no winning
>>335896792
Basically when you swing gs and ugs you gen an extra few frames when the swing animation begins in which you either take less damage or have iframes, not exaclty which of these two
Fucked if I know why exactly is it called hyper armor when it's actually got to do with the weapon
>>335896928
I need 350k souls to heal my dark sigil, i'm in for some farming
>>335897169
I get about 13K souls from the Lothric Knight right next to the Lothric Castle bonfire so I usually just farm him for Chunks and Large Shards and too many Embers
>>335896852
Yes, it gives you the option to choose between 3 different endings, 2 of them from summoning the firekeeper, or the one that triggers from you using the bonfire, wich depends on if you have the dark sigils or not.
Also you don't need to start ng+ instantly, it gives you the option to postporne it like in das2. So even if you want the hollow ending, you can take it and then just remove the sigils and piss off/kill Yuria. You can also remove the bacon skin effect with the ring or using purging stones every few deaths to remove your hollowing level.
The lack of effective poise in DS3 has made it so I'm unironically doing a mostly naked run most of the time, barring shit like frost or poison resistance.
No reason to ever wear shit. Just use i-frames or parry, because you either get combo fucked or get one shot anyways.
>>335888771
hit dog with fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCiVg5HqWLg
Poise does literally NOTHING.
Poise doesn't do anything to the end of your roll
Poise doesn't do anything to hyper armour
The only thing that affects *anything* is weapon equip load.
>>335890552
>eat shit ss and ds users XXXxxxDDDD
>lemme post my single victory against a genuine retard
>>335896792
Like poise but animation specific. Certain heavy weapons have attacks that if you're doing those specific attacks you can't be interrupted from the animation. Or if you can be, it takes a solid amount of damage to make you stumble out of the swing.
Mostly only good for trading hits because you still eat the damage.
>>335897005
what if we had das1 poise, but heavy armor now required a stat investment because endurance no longer increases equip load and havel's ring gave 12% extra instead of 50%?
>>335887440
>Anon I'm new to dark souls. What does this ring do?
makes you more poised when talking to female npcs
>>335896334
>>335896551
Nice, thank you for filling me in. I am going to borrow a friend's PS3 and play it one of these days. Doubt there will be much if any pvp activity though
>>335896442
if you think UGSs are bad in pvp then you really are trolling.
>>335898335
>tfw just as a couple questions about the technical side and better play and it's nonstop "UR TROLLING IF YOU ARENT AS WELL INFORMED AS I AM!!!!"
Can you just fucking answer me already? I just wanted to know what to run on the Darksword for some fun, holy shit.
>>335898456
Woah bro calm down
I use Lightning for the S scaling in faith but others might have different views
>>335898456
just used refined retard. it will almost always be best if you have 40/40 str/dex.
just because you're a fucking retard doesn't mean you're entitled to answers.
>>335887440
>read posts about poise being broken
>pretend to be a newfag to the game and use the poise ring to incite a massive shitposting war against fromsoft
OP you are devilish faggot I like you.
Poise should be re-enabled but they should add negative poise increasing with weapon attack speed.
>>335896442
One half of people in pvp are using UGS because they can't be parried and are kings of trading hits
Git gud
>>335888468
>covetous serpent ring
literally why
>>335898635
pretty much what i'm doing, granted i always liked using UGS. it's hard to use a spear with how many people are trying to parry.
>>335891950
Because the option is turned off in the game files. As of now poise is useless in the game.
>Only get invaded on High Wall every NG+ cycle
>They always die in two hits
High Wall doesn't seem like a very good pvp spot.
>>335890741
Not if you bring your hand in front of you to look at it yourself (same motion as checking your watch, only with outstretched fingers).
>>335893609
no, not even a little, not even close
What happens when someone invades/gets invaded with poise on but the other person doesn't? Besides bans. Does it just use the hosts settings?
>>335891876
ds2 is obviously brawl.
>>335895057
>every dog in the series is a god damned wolf hound
>20 lbs...
>>335898635
Greataxes can be parried two-handed?
>people legitimately want DS1 poise back
PvP would be instantly ruined.
There is no defending havelflipping katana R1 spammers that the only counter for is ranged magics.
>>335900594
Then explain how poise should work instead, retard.
>>335900594
maybe that would make them buff magic to a usable level then
>>335887816
I feel like only Poise via Iron Flesh works
>>335887816
you realize this shit has been debunked already right
>>335900718
Poise lowers hitstun as its value increases relative to the poise damage done by an attack. Low poise staggers a player on the first hit and opens them up for a critical (or sprawls them on the ground if you don't do a critical hit). Mid poise lets you recover against attacks just in time to roll or shield the next one. High poise flinches but recovers before the next hit. Max poise against lowest poise attacks has just 1 frame of hitstun letting you setup parry against daggerfags. EZPZ fix.
More pertinently, increase the effect of damage reduction by armor instead of relying on an abusable and nonsense mechanic. As is the armor hardly changes the amount of damage you take at all.
>>335900872
When the only counter against something is ranged, it not only raises the meta unneccessarily higher so every other build can have magic as compensation, it further strengthens poise builds consequently, making them even more obnoxiously powerful.
>>335900718
By giving slightly more damage mitigation instead of stagger resist.
Not having poise further levels the playing field. Heavier armor isn't useless because it provides marginally better damage mitigations, which are noticeable. No poise requires people to become familiar with enemy moves and play more conservatively, rather than ignoring everything, running in, and spamming R1 while infinitely tanking hits, effortlessly and skillessly plowing through people. An unbelievably unfair and frustrating thing that plagued DS1 meta and did a better job of making it unfun and tedious than it did anything.
Not sure how anyone could possibly fucking want that back.
inb4 "lol git gud." There was nothing skillfull about stacking Giant armor, Mask of the Father, and Wolf Ring / Darkwood ring while effortlessly throwing a Chaos Zwei around.
Poise was a massive crutch for baddies.
>starting with 3
Dark Sword and Estoc are the most OP since competent player know never to swing more than twice
>mfw I shuffled my stats for magic
How the fuck am I gonna win 5 invasions with this shit.
dude poise lmao
>People bitch about poise and PvP
Literally the only fun thing in DaS PvP was to invade and fuck with people in stupid ways. 120 PvP was fucking garbage.
>>335901773
Make a new character and hope that From decides that they want DaS3 to have actual build diversity
>>335901387
>>335901417 is better. Poise should just offer slightly more damage mitigation, but maybe with a very miniscule amount of stagger resist.
I don't think enough people here experienced DS1 PvP meta. The only defensiove argument I seem to see as well in the defense of poise is that people should be able to completely negate stagger, which is basically wanting to walk through everone's attacks so they can just R1 mash them to death - basically wanting an easy mode in place of actually getting fucking good and learning proper evasion.
Nobody yet seems to have an actual intelligent defense for a bad mechanic.
I beat back an invader but the damn tree won't spill it's seed
Wat do
>>335901852
You can't do that either since host +3 phantoms
>>335898751
If you want invasions just use the Dried Finger
>>335902027
(>>335901387)
I never said it should completely negate stagger. Attacks should still be interrupted outside of hyper armor, and getting hit while running should still stop your momentum and make you have to start it over.
The only thing I'd reconsider on my point is to make the highest poise minimal stun be enough to prevent the player from circling around an attack, tanking it, and getting the backstab.
>>335902229
I don't particularly want invasions, I'm just surprised that I only get invaded in that one area every time I enter it on a NG+ cycle.
>>335902217
That sucks. The most fun I had not killing people anyways. I dont think scaring 3 phantoms is that easy.
>>335902337
Players won't be invading until they get the permanent orb, so they won't be able to invade the first area except against players on NG+.
>>335902282
I'd say considering taking 1 hit from a longsword staggers you, using that as a measure of poise, make it so the first attack doesn't stagger you, but the following one certainly will.
>>335902420
Usually the phantoms rush you while the host stays at the bonfire summoning more if they die, some times you manage to trick the phantoms into falling to their dead but only if they are stupid
>>335902534
If I see the host run off I definitely try to take them down asap before they get 2 phantoms summoned.
Shit is fucking annoying, because then it turns into a wait and bait game while waiting for a 2nd invader to come and even the odds a bit more.
>>335902534
>>335902618
I think the bad netcode was actually good so that people couldnt summon phantoms.
So how good are shotels at going through shields? Thinking of using Carthusian CS or carthus shotel as an offhand for my warden twin blade bleed build.
>>335902618
>2nd red invades
>just turns into all 4 of them trying to kill me instead of the red helping kill the host
>other red probably died soon after for being a fucking retard
Don't understand why reds attack reds. You can just kill everyone else with the assistance of 1 other person and walk away with 3-5 tongues depending on if you kill a Darkmoon in the process.
>>335902737
Same as it's always been - minor chip damage per hit.
>>335902714
DS3 netcode is actually really good. I hardly ever connect to anyone who lags. Only very rarely. I'm pretty sure they returned to the peer-2-peer network from 1.
>>335887664
bloodborne didn't have poise. its a pretty poor excuse to put off buying it considering how many people are playing and enjoying it regardless
>>335887816
just slamming down those estus dranks
>>335889154
I am pretty surr katanas swing slower.
Chaos Blade takes like a half minute to swing.
when Greirat is asking to go scurry off to Irithyll is there a way to buy from him? Can I refuse, buy, talk and then send him? pls help.
>>335901112
source
>>335887736
>>335887996
people STILL don't know to parry? R1 spamming is a nonproblem for anyone remotely decent at pvp
Why do pouson and bleed throwing weapons do jack shit? They'd be great for peppering in a fight and trying to stop hosts from pissbolting off to summon assholes. Instead they add fuck all and do shit all damage, shit.
>>335903041
You can refuse, buy from him and next time he'll ask again.
>>335887816
Obviously it works as the character gets staggered worse with light armour.
Poise just doesn't go to stupid levels where you can just tank any attack.
This is obviously a good thing.
In return equip load is much more forgiving in 3.
How come NPC invaders have poise, but we don't, despite the fact that we're wearing the same armour?
>>335901904
Seems like I'm gonna have to. Prop go with a dex build, str was fun but not in Pvp.
>>335903337
Bleed scales with your luck. Fast dex weapon + lucky bleed = you'll have a good time.
Poison arrows can be useful in singleplayer but otherwise its a gimmick.
>>335903365
thanks bruh
>>335903565
>In return equip load is much more forgiving in 3
>only one roll
you mean casualised.
>tfw going through the game with bows/crossbows only
anyone else did this? it works surprisingly well and the difficulty of the bosses shifts a lot (Nameless King becomes very easy)
I want into Dark Souls. Which game is the best out of three? Not interested in multiplayer.
Poise is near useless in this game, though it was required in ds1. It basically does nothing and you're better off using a different ring.
>>335904267
>basically
it actually quite literally does nothing.
>tfw foundCreighton'sgear
shieeeeeeeeeeeeet
>>335903779
There are 3 rolls.
The medium and best roll look very similar but the best one is a bit farther and the invicibility window is larger.
Also there obscured roll and a ring that increases the invicibility window even more.
>>335895057
why are millenials consistetly wildly out of fucking touch with the scale pf physical reality? 20lb? Are you fucking retarded? Do you look at a your bottle of mountain dew and go 'oh yeah that's about 900 litres for sure man' you dense fuck. you stupid piece of shit
>>335904128
The first
>>335904128
Dark Souls 3 has the best gameplay and graphics.
Dark Souls 1 has the best atmosphere and world.
Dark Souls 2 is a decent game but easily the worst.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
>>335904682
To be fair, all the dogs are emaciated skin-and-bones dogs
>>335904819
This desu. Also, keep in mind that DS2 enemies cease to respawn after some kills. I hated it personally, but to each his own.
>>335895927
that's cause you fought him in a situation where he didn't have his greatshield arm workingelse you'd lose
>>335890256
its far more original than
>ANOR LONDO, LMAO
>TARKUS, LMAO
>DEMON RUINS LMAO
>LOOK AT ALL THESE DAS1 LOCATIONS BUT IN THE FUTURE!
>UNKINDLED LMAO, UNDEAD? THERES A DIFFERENCE?
>ARTORIAS LMAO
>LIKE DARKMOONS? HERE, HAVE THEM TWICE LMAO!
>WITH THE SAME REWARDS!
DaS2 at least tried to be original, even if it ultimately hinged on the lord soul reincarnation stuff.
theres no reason why the gods should have anything to do with DaS3. Heide's was already good enough for the gods lore- the gods had all moved on, even the ones that had left Anor Londo.
And the story was no longer about the gods, but the kingdoms of man, and how they rise and fall, and if anything, DaS2 is more a sequel to AotA. since Manus plays a big role.
DaS3 is already super confusing and all over the place lorewise, and has shit world variety. I love castle and cathedral environments, but there IS such a thing as too fucking much of it. DaS1 had some nice world variety, and even DaS2 did as well, despite level and overall world connectivity design not always being there 100%
DaS2 was also better for character building. mix and match possibilities were endless and quite varied, while most things in DaS3 are drably colored, the environments especially. thanks for that, Bloodborne. build variety is also shit. in DaS2, literally any weapon could be viable. in DaS3 literally only longswords and estocs are good, and great and ultra great weapons are garbage because poise was changed AGAIN.
also, I never thought that PVP would be so bad. literally half the covenants dont work. Sentinels and Darkmoons are back to being DaS1 tier useless
>>335904128
Regardless of which is the best, you should definitely start with 1 and play them in release order. I don't get why you're even asking.
>bored of my usual strength melee build
>respec to sorcery
>>it's fucking awful
>respec to high faith
>>it's fucking awful
>respec to pyromancy
>>it's fucking awful
Amazing. What the fuck happened to allowing for different playstyles? You're pretty much forced to use an average melee build
>>335890878
the first sin was gwyn linking the fire to prolong the age of fire when it was a lie
What does it mean to be unkindled? Is that just an even shittier undead? Why am I not kindled?
>>335893609
ADP is a dump stat that makes the game objectively less fun until you put enough points into it.
>>335906228
because you are just too dead to be undead
>>335892380
>invade faggy fight club atop lothric's wall as madman
>sneak up behind a invading sunfag which I guess was in on the fight club too
>backstab him and one-shot his ass
>squat over his dead body before being gangbanged by the host and his phantom buddies
this game is too fun
>>335897120
the origins of comes from "super armor" in street fighter and other fightan, and its how it is in dark souls, you don't get stunned when hit and can finish the animation of a move. why super armor is called hyper armor in these dark souls threads I will never know
>>335901690
???? You should always do a 2-hit combo when you land a strike noob. The only exception being if landing a 2nd hit will make you vulnerable to the hosts buttbuddies. Now the 3rd hit? Yeah you probably should do that. You can get set-up parried pretty easily.
>>335906963
kys
>>335906160
pyro becomes great as soon as you get great chaos fireball
sorc and miracles are good at high int/faith values although miracles are better off buffing rather than chucking lightning spears
>dueling after pontiff
>run into some reddit guy named leah with his meme bleed build
>starts chugging as soon as he goes low
>kick his ass hard
>and I mean fucking hard, he was so bad that even I could parry him
>he's a grape so his sign stands out like a sore thumb
>end up summoning him 8 times
>he black crystals out 3 of them
>spend a few minutes checking red/yellow signs if he switched covenant
>see nothing, guy must've quit
I'm not even good but I felt like a fucking 1-man gank squad.
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