>Everybody try to find what poise does
>PC dataminers find out poise is set to 0 in the game
>From defence force just say it's intended and it just works differently now
>Theories are spewed as facts left and right
>"muh hyper-armor"
>"muh roll recovery"
>Hundreds of hours of testing later it's confirmed to not do anything
>Turns out they simply put a stat in the game that does nothing and either forgot to enable it or disabled it on purpose and were too lazy to take it out.
DEFEND THIS SOULS FAGS
as long as they dont put in das1's awful poise system idc
its des with hyper armor
im fine with this
>>335844464
They put a stat on your character sheet, they put a stat a armour pieces, it does fuck all and you don't care?
That's some very low standards man
>>335844814
But why not getting rid of the stat then? I mean ffs it's right there and it does nothing
>>335844957
anything is better than dark souls 1 poise, ill literally take anything over it
>>335844957
did you accidentally set your name as the intended title of the thread and then forget to remove it?
that's some very low standards man
I am still really enjoying Dark Souls 3. Unfortunately, it is looking more and more like Miyazaki's return to Dark Souls was not the second coming I hoped for. Maybe all the true greatness and refinement from Demon Souls that was Dark Souls 1 was a mistake, unintentional.
Can't say for sure, yet.
>>335845036
this opinion is wrong
>>335845236
It's just 4chanx fucking with me, who cares though
>I refuse to get good and learn proper timing and defense and need a crutch like poise so I can swing my sword mindlessly
>>335845396
obviously you did since you removed the name
>>335845352
dark souls 1 pvp is the worst , fuck off
poise affects whether or not you will get "interrupted" mid attack if you yourself get hit as well
I guess it's really time to greatshield your way out of everything.
>>335845036
>he is fine with a SL120 in full havel, with the poise ring, the poise shield being staggered by a rat from the undead settlement breating too close to your shoes
>>335845431
>I refuse to get good and learn proper timing and defense and need a crutch like guaranteed stagger so I can swing my sword mindlessly
>>335845561
You always get interrupted though.
>>335845561
No, that's entirely weapon dependent and called hyper armor. And only greatswords and super heavy weapon classes have much of that.
>>335845660
not with higher poise
>>335845630
>MUH TANKY WEIGHTY BUILD
fuck off, this game is not for you
reminder that str is literally easy mode, i am tired of all these scrubby shitters complaining they cant wear a full set of heavy armor and steamroll through the game
literally get good, faggots
>>335845497
go play call of duty if multiplayer is the most important thing to you, fucking casuals
>>335845561
No it doesn't.
Go use a Greatclub naked and hyper armour through longsword R1 spam.
Hyper armour is determined by your weapon moveset; not your poise.
>>335845431
There are weapons besides shortswords and estocs
>>335845561
This is not true and you can test it yourself with havel's armor and punching.
Your type of weapon is what matters on trades and staggers
>>335845785
>i am tired of all these scrubby shitters complaining armor heavier than master's rags is pointless
>>335844053
>t. Reddit
Kill yourself, my man.
>>335845785
>Muh game should only be played the way I play it and if you don't you're not a real true scotsman souls player
goes to show how much consumers know about game development
guess what, there's a whole BUNCH of stuff hidden in the code of every game that is quite simply disabled and does nothing at all
nobody's going to comb through thousands of lines of code just so that a few autists on /v/ and reddit aren't going to cry about unused code
>>335845801
poise trivializes PvE as well, str shitter
guess you'll have to get good this time instead of mindlessly swing your stupid muh guts sword around :)
>>335845946
armor is only for fashion, wear whatever the fuck you want and stop relying on crutches you retarded baby
>>335845962
except guts sword has hyper armor for doing that regardless of armor
I don't understand when people complain about "muh guts sword" when greatswords fucking blow in ds3 combat. Talk about how the range/speed/stamina requirement for the dark sword combined with a havel shield break the pvp system entirely
>>335845962
>PVE
Fucking dogs stunlocking and teleporting around
>>335846210
str has always been easy mode and still is
>>335845785
fuck off dipshit
this is coming from someone who played with the longsword, which may have well been easy mode.
STR has always been fun not for fighting grunt enemies but for fighting bosses.
Its a vastly different experience fighting a boss that's suddenly faster than you. Unlike in dex where you can roll through swings, get a hit or two in, and roll through their next attack.
People complaing that big heavy armor does nothing are in the right. Poise is a big deal and it not being turned on lets "scrubby shitters" like you roll through the game with r1 spam
Literally get good, faggot.
All you hear is about how fucking retarded poise was from all the DS2 buttfuckers on thsi board and now you complain that it does nothing just like all the others
>>335846292
>equip UGS
>swing at the boss while not getting staggered thanks to hyper armor
>do immense damage with each swing
>win
WOW SO HARD
>>335845954
Goes to show how retards who know nothing about the topic at hand are still willing to post to show others the tiny bit of irrelevant(and known to all) knowledge they hold.
Little do they know all they achieve is to embarrass themselves, as always.
The poisefag tears just prove that str is the breeding ground for casual scrubs that can't git gut.
>>335846474
this
str players are always bad in pvp too, not a coincidence
dexfags think spaming roll takes skill hohoho
>>335845785
Why are you saying this like the games are hard regardless? Ni-Oh already exposed you kiddies and your meme difficulty.
>>335846421
should an UGS, which takes like 3 times longer than a longsword for an attack to complete, not have some kind of help in that area?
>>335846558
>str fags think hiding being their greatshield take skill
LOL
>There are weapon arts, rings, and armor with functionality outright missing
>Despite the game outright lying and telling you otherwise
>Cocksuckers ITT are still arguing about "muh builds" when the game is functionally broken right now
Fucking stupid cocksuckers
>>335846558
>strfags think spamming r1 takes skill
tip top kek
>>335844053
And this is why we shouldn't have let pcucks get dark souls.
>>335846612
im glad we agree str is easier then
>>335844053
Oh fuck...
>>335846378
Did you read the OP? The complaint is that it's implemented in the game, on the character sheet, on the fucking armour pieces and yet is literally disabled.
That's literally the equivalent of putting points into strength and not getting any added damage on your str weapons because the devs forgot to set a variable to 1
>>335846621
>>335846663
oops i hit a faggot nerve! poor dexbabbies aren't used to being called out on their utter lack of skill
So what is the point of heavy armor in the game?
>>335846534
Nope. All the worst people i've ever fought in PVP are spear/dual katana fags that try to R1 spam for stunlock and end up eating hyper armor because they get read and can't stop mashing for half a second.
Dex is literally the most casual setting in these games. Almost as much damage as STR builds and 10x more mobility.
>>335845431
> but if they fix poise my estoc and dark sword won't be as good!
t. r1 spammer
>>335846682
Because we find out all the dirty little secrets you would rather ignore and pretend weren't there?
>>335846763
>i love the guts manga, and love playing with big swords to compensate for my tiny penis
>rolling is for babies, i feel comfier behind my greatshield being completely invincible
pic is u
>>335846763
Are you implying tanking hits and attacking without break somehow requires more skill than dodging attacks?
>>335846682
Yeah otherwise they might found out how much From fucked up and we, the peasants, are much happier when we're ignorant.
oh noes my single player experience ruined
>>335846682
Most of the legwork was done with ingame testing. It was patently obvious poise did virtually nothing. It just happened to correlate with roll recovery because heavy armor -> equip load.
>>335844053
Poise was literally the only thing I cared about. Good thing I finished the game so fast and didn't invest any time into.
Changing poise is fine, but removing it ruins at least half the build arch types and led to the rise of straight swords since all that matters is getting the first hit in as fast as possible.
Who cares about poise, post Dancer's Ass.
>>335847046
Well that was quick.
Looks like I need to hoard more of Dancer's Sacred Booty.
>>335846926
Guts is a dexfag. The dragon slayer is closer to the farron greadsword in the manga than the clunky shit strfag like to usually roleplay with.
>>335847042
To be fair you can also try trading with hyper armor, though your attack still won't do much more damage than a straight sword and if the other guy has an estoc he might also have leo ring and outdamage you anyways.
>>335847042
>hurr durr its all about the first hit and everyone uses long swords
>I'm to shit to learn how to parry the first swing of the weapon everyone is using
>>335845431
Poise isn't a crutch dumb shit. If your crying about havels than just back stab them or burn them alive.
Poise is what made magic viable. The longer casting spells need it so you dont get stunned and lose the spell. Its also useful to get people in close where they cant dodge the spell.
Lets also not forget hit baiting. Lure them in and tank the first hit and respond locking them down for falling for it.
Poise is essential to the whole system. Without it we have Straight Swords the game.
>Poise
>He wants estocs and katana's to have hyper armour
It's a double sided sword you retard. If you introduce poise back, all that happens is katana's and estocs become even more absurdly powerful.
Their weapon is lighter, so they can outpoise and defence you ontop of speed.
They will tank your 1 big ultra weapon hit while they hit you 3 times and fuck your poise into stunlock hell.
Hyper armour is better. It only exists for STR/SLOW/LIMITED TRACKING attacks, as it should.
If your sick of being "stunlocked" maybe try not getting stunlocked and get some roll distance so your not being rollcaught all the time.
If you're at 69% weight and complaining about stunlocks you have only yourself to blame.
>>335847310
>not a crutch
>b-but I need it so I don't have to dodge, guard, or parry and get hits in on the enemy
>>335847283
I dont parry faggot. I'm never close enough to care. I would rather let you smack me then burn you alive with black or chaos pyromancy you now cant dodge.
Parrying always felt like a crutch to me. It was to easy to get off and gave you to much free damage. I want fights that aren't over in 5 seconds.
>>335847378
THIS
>people think poise will fix ultra weapons
>They already work just fine and have shittones of hyper armour in the game
>people want full havels katanas with crystal soulmass back
No fucking thanks
>>335844053
This is for the best, really
If poise was in we'd just go back to having giant dad's dominating the meta, it's actually healthier without poise
>inb4 shitters who don't know how to parry complain about longswords and thrusting swords
>>335847585
>Parrying always felt like a crutch to me. It was to easy to get off and gave you to much free damage
In comparison to face tanking with poise? Are you retarded
>>335847536
>Cast magic
>Oh shit here he comes!
>Dodge
>Spell lost
>Cast magic
>Oh shit here he comes!
>Cant parry because I'm casting magic
>Die
>Cast magic
>Oh shit here he comes!
>Cant guard because I'm casting magic
>Die
I-its almost like magic isn't about smacking people with a weapon!
>>335847585
>parrying is easy and gives free damage
>instead I want to just stand there and get free damage
Do you even think about the things you say?
>>335847378
Poise wouldn't have been balanced like DaS1, that's obvious just by reading the armor values.
>>335845785
>YOUR PLAY STYLE IS WRONG
>>335844053
Good.
>DaS poise.
>Small weapons are ignored with impunity unless the r1 mash is a strong frame trap like Falchion/Kat.
>Emphasis on R1 mash infinites.
>Unique combos involving r2s, dashing, and rolling attacks are largely useless.
>Distancing and timing attacks becomes a flourish in combat instead of the main directive.
>Punishing is less effective, and can even result in an unfavorable situation.
>Most builds are Havelmom/Giantdad shit.
>Large weapons absolutely useless without poise.
>Pronounces the problems with BSes more.
>DeS hyper.
>Poise is matchup based on moveset rather than arbitrary gear, and knowing your opponent's moves.
>Small weapons can poke well without relying on frametrap mash.
>Interesting combos like Estoc dash R1, R2, F+R1 are good without being an infinite.
>BS problems aren't as pronounced.
>Spacing and timing play improves.
>Punishing whiffs is important.
>Larger weapons like DBS depend on mind games, oki, and hard knockdowns and remain viable; DBS was S-tier with Estoc and Gaxe was A-tier.
>>335846760
same shit in ds2
it was on the stat screen but you got poked out of anything by anything
at least there's noticeable hyper armor on the big ds3 weapons
>>335844053
> muh dex
> muh skill
> muh out maneuvers and criticals
> str is for scrubs, I prefer a challenge
Why is nerfing the "stand still and spam r1" strategy a bad thing again? It's the most face roll build in the game and contradicts everything dexbabbies take pride in.
>>335846292
>People complaing that big heavy armor does nothing are in the right. Poise is a big deal and it not being turned on lets "scrubby shitters" like you roll through the game with r1 spam
You do realize that poise helps these people the most right?
Does the game even need poise at all?
>>335847826
>implementing poise in the game
>adding the stat to your character sheet
>adding the stat to armour pieces
>disabling it in the code
>"Good."
Way to miss the point
>>335846534
>STG useres are bad in PvP
>not all the Darksword Kantan fags
Keep the tears coming reddit
Hyper armor was a mistake. When your attacking you should be the most vulnerable. It directly counters logic and real life.
>>335847734
>casting magic so late that he's close enough to hit you
>not using terrain to your advantage
>what are quicker casting melee range spells like the combustion line
>b-but I need poise so I can just stand there and not get good
>all this anger and buttrage not even because of the poise bug
>but because nerds are mad because of people who don't play exactly like them, a clear sign of clinical autism
On DS1 i used Havel's and a konataand magic, come at me faggots
this is really stupid.
why have a stat that does literally nothing? why not just remove poise?
personally, i'd like it to be re-enabled. it would help counter the estoc spam and R1 shitters turning the metagame into who can hit who first with a fast weapon.
>>335848041
I was making a catch-all for any faggot that genuinely thought poise was good for PvP.
>>335848082
What is with retards saying magic is ok because you might be able to hit someone when they are distracted by something else?
EVERYTHING works in that scenario.
>>335847924
Wrong, poised did something in DS2. It wasn't the same as DS1 but it did something.
Here it literally does nothing.
>>335844464
DaS1 had the best poise system in the series, you fucking retard.
It actually did something, and it made heavy weapons actually viable. Fast weapons can stunlock really easily in every other Souls game.
>>335847826
That was only because you could stack pure armor poise and tank a hit from the heaviest weapons, and not have to invest much of anything extra to get fast roll (or back when flip ring also upgraded mid roll literally nothing). Balancing with the advantage of hindsight was all it needed, and judging by the armor values (if they did anything) it might work.
Poise was a cancerous mechanic, good riddance
>>335847536
Ignore this fucking retard
>>335845496
fucking savage
If poise returns, it needs to be absolutely minimal and only really stop a light attack from stunning you.
You should never be able to poise a heavy attack or r2, only light r1's, and only one of them.
>>335848065
Too bad this is a video game and poise backstabs were a big thing.
>hurr durr poise is bad anyway
Who gives a shit whether poise is good or bad? The real question is why the fuck they included a stat that had literally no effect.
If it's intentionally disabled, then why did they leave it in at all?
If it isn't intentionally disabled, then why haven't they fixed it yet?
>>335848082
>casting magic so late that he's close enough to hit you
Nigger. If you are in a fight at all they are close enough to sprint at you and swing to interrupt you.
>what are quicker casting melee range spells like the combustion line
Completely missing the point on purpose. Yes they exist but the current system makes ONLY the quick casting spells useful. If you use a long cast they will sprint and they will hit you. With no poise that hit breaks your spell.
>b-but I need poise so I can just stand there and not get good
Again you are missing the point on purpose. Its not about tanking. Its about the first hit not breaking the spell. Do you really think casters run around with enough poise not to get locked? No dumb shit. They dodge away the second they get the spell off so they dont die. They need the poise only for the first hit.
>>335848265
>it made heavy weapons actually viable
>DaS1
you have no idea what you are talking about
>tfw you will never know if a player will tank your attack or not
This makes pvp a lot harder.
Also is anyone else sick of getting hit even when your attack hit first?
I get this a lot of time, it ends up in draws more times than I would like.
>tfw you remember when /v/ didn't defend half finished games and season passes
>>335847720
UuUaaaAaHHtheeDarksoulshPvPmeTahasAlwaysbenCelebratedforitsexcellence...
Dark Souls is 10000000000 times better than Dark Souls 3
Poise shitters are the same people that cried when flippy havels and poise were nerfed in one patch. I still remember the tears.
>>335848497
>I never used a heavy weapon in Dark Souls PvP or PvE
>>335847986
To a degree yes but I imagine something like a player can power through X amount of hits from Y weapon before being staggered would be more balanced than all the giant dad bullshit the cry babies want back
>>335848265
Hornet ring backstabs doesn't mean a weapon is viable.
>>335848454
Someone finally gets it.
>>335848265
DBS and Gaxe were the only weapons with hyper in DeS.
DBS was side-by-side with Estoc as the best weapon while Gaxe was comfortably in A-tier.
When is this game gonna be on sale for 15 bucks so I don't feel bad for buying it?
>>335848393
I'd think perseverance, iron flesh and so on could let you get poised enough to tank heavier hits if you made a build around it.
>>335847198
Guts has every stat maxedexcept Luck
>>335845785
>reminder that str is literally easy mode
Literally the exact opposite is true
>but it does so much damage!
Dex weapons usually outdamage it just not on a per hit basis
All this thread is is people either bitching their play style were fucked up by from and people who are gloating their play style was the only one not to be ruined.
>>335848454
r1 spam babbys realize it should be fixed, the entire thread is them panicking at the prospect of it being fixed
>>335848590
Atleast you're honest about your ignorance
>>335848590
Poise was the most useful for fast weapon users
Poise didn't make the few heavy weapons that were viable that at all.
You just straight up don't know what you are talking about I don't know what I'm supposed to say here
I still dont know how to use weapon arts
What's more useless, poise or weapon arts?
>>335848605
>What is trying to stagger the enemy before you get staggered
>>335848628
Which made armor do fuckall in that game, and made any slow weapon that didn't give hyperarmor completely useless.
>>335848693
OH! So the reason they removed poise was to make the game easy mode. So everyone that likes DS3 combat is an easy mode baby. Got it.
>>335848849
Warcry is baller
>>335848315
There's that... But what it does to smaller weapons makes them absolutely garbage unless they mash a good r1 frametrap. Even with fixes to weight it would probably make smaller weapons basically useless.
They haven't got it right yet.
>>335848795
DELETE THIS
Does poise affect hyper armor? It seems no matter what armor you wear, hyper armor is hyper armor, I've never seen it interrupted.
Stupid Question.
Why is it called Hyper Armor instead of Super Armor?
>>335846764
Marginally higher damage reduction.
>>335849016
Nope.
>>335849035
Why not?
>>335849035
It sounds cooler :)
>>335849035
Because hyper armor blocks super attacks
ITT: FROM's defence force doing their best to divert the attention from their lies and incompetence
I really hope you enjoyed farming these Farron ranks because you did it for a blank item that does literally nothing
>>335848806
>>335848845
I don't know why I bother explaining it to you retards, but I'll give it a shot.
Take the Zweihander for example. A 2-handed weak attack did about 75 or 76 poise damage, meaning that it would stagger you if you didn't have that much poise. This means your strategy of falchion spam with no armor wouldn't do jack shit, as one or 2 Zweihander hits would almost definitely stagger you. Meanwhile, a 2-handed Falchion weak attack did 30 poise damage, and hit about twice as fast, meaning that if I used the Wolf Ring or a good armor set, I could laugh off your shitty spamming. Hence heavy weapons were useful if your build was good enough, and fast weapons weren't completely dominant.
>>335849035
Babies need cool names to feel good about their inferior products.
>hyper armor
were all the other gay ass terms taken or what?
>>335846698
If you seriously think STR is easier in Dark Souls 3 you haven't played it. There is literally no reason to use anything that isn't a fast 1 handed r1 spammy weapon.
>>335846781
actually they'd be way better because you wouldn't need tow worry about losing trades against heavies. Poise is shit.
Poise works with hyper armor, it's literally working as intended.
>>335848876
There were no slow weapons? DBS and Gaxe were really the only slow weapons and they had hyper armor.
I know the armor pain, but the old system made the game worse than Demon's Souls. I remember being pumped when after analyzing the E3 demo from Dark Souls and noticing the poise mechanics on the E3 BK build everyone rejoiced; "Finally! Plate will do shit!"
Even when the game came out I puzzled out the old poise BPs and published them myself... But inevitably there were far reaching implications that sort of spoiled the game with it.
>>335849305
Funny because DeS had no poise and UGS were as viable as any other weapon.
>>335849016
Poise doesn't break hyper armor it adds a similar effect as hyper armor that protects heavily geared players from getting staggered by a single attack from tiny weapons. Basically the only reason straightswords are so good is because poise doesn't work.
In my experience hyper armor can only be broken by stronger hyper armor. It's the benefit of 2handing massive, slow weapons. Poise is supposed to be the benefit of wearing heavy armor b since it doesn't work it's only viable to wear light armor to save stats for damage output and health. Vitality is useless without poise.
>>335849305D A R K S W O R D
>>335847046
i bet I could fit my leg in her pussy
>>335846621
>soulshitters think there is any skill involved in soulshit
My sides
>>335849387
Saw absolutely zero difference in hyper armor from 0 poise to almost 50 poise
>>335849227
but that image clearly states that the ring is found on a corpse and not farmed you dipshit.
>>335844053
Poise needs to be fixed. Heavy weapons are useless because they are too slow when enemies attack and make you flinch.
>>335849508
There's a 2-frame tap block with no blockstun. It's literally the exact same thing as slashback; so hard to execute it's basically useless.
>>335849262
Except poise also enabled more than that.
Stack 76 poise -> backstab zwei guy in recovery if he throws an R1
Stack 76 poise -> get in 2-3 buffed katana swings and come out ahead on damage
>>335849574
You need all rings, including the directly outclassed +0 and +1 versions, in order to get the Master of Rings of achievement.
Not that I care about achievements, but it's just funny that obtaining it likely involves killing thousands of Ghru for the swordgrass because good luck ever getting summoned for wolfbros after SL40, and ultimately the ring is completely non-functional (and even if it weren't, it would be inferior to +1 and +2).
>>335844053
>Complain about poise in DaS1
>Poise is useless in 2 and 3
thanks dexfags
>>335849654
This is the overall problem you run into.
>Slam R1 with fast falchion/katana frametrap.
>Slam R1 with 52 or 75 poise damage infinite.
Whichever is a superior strategy is still shit gameplay wise, and makes most weapons obsolete.
>>335847378
Why does no one mention DS2's poise system? I know everyone hates it but you have to admit they did a few things right. Poise works well in 2 because you can stack it to be able to tank a UGS attack PVE or PVE, but it comes at a high weight cost. If they balanced it out they could easily make heavier sets able to tank big hits and even multiple estoc swings, enough to break the other persons poise. If the person has ridiculous poise with a katana or estoc then they will sacrifice movement and damage, which is the fucking key to that build.
>>335849654
>backstab zwei guy in recovery if he throws an R1
That;s called punishing, and it's generally a viable tactic in PvP games. If your opponent makes a mistake, fuck them up. Also, backstabbing is another issue entirely.
>get in 2-3 buffed katana swings and come out ahead on damage
If I'm up against a buffed fast weapon, and the other guy had decent armor, I sure as hell wouldn't try to fucking win a stagger match. I would play more defensively until the buff wore out.
I honestly don't get why people enjoy Dark Souls PVP it's always been dull as shit. The only way to make it fun is to make troll builds and to irritate the shit out of the person you invade. Dueling is quite possibly the most boring experience I've had in DS, fishing for parries and stunlocking bores me to tears.
>>335846750
What is this?
>>335849956
>Guy times and spaces his attack.
>It lands successfully.
>You punish him because of poise.
>"That's how PvP works."
Not him btw.
>>335849943
Read >>335849956
You seriously don't believe that poise made "most" weapons obselete in DaS, right? You have to try some different strategies if you're up against a spammer.
>>335850029
I've always treated the souls games as an asshole simulator and that's why demon's souls remains my favourite.
>>335849035
It should actually be super armor?
Super armor for me was take damage dont flinch from limited # of hits
Hyper armor was don't flinch at all regardless of attack/hits
>>335850121
It's the FAQ for the Dark Souls Boardgame as answered by the lead game designer Mat Hart
>>335844053
Seeing all those From apologists getting BTFO is the absolute best.
This shit made my day.
>>335849654
What Poise DID was allow players to control whether they get staggered or not, on their own terms.
By understanding breakpoints they could account for say, withstanding a single-handed Greatsword R1 whilst having enough equip load to still have a fast roll, but if they got caught by a two-handed Greatsword R2 then they were at full mercy to take the followup.
In Dark Souls 3, hyperarmor replaces it. This means that the question of "will it stagger" is entirely the aggressors, meaning whoever is on the recieving end has to magically know when his opponent has hyperarmor and what moves have it (and which do not)
This means that instead of having a universal numerical understanding based on weapon class, displayed clearly for all players, you have to now understand the unique individual frames that cannot be interrupted in every attack and then account also for netcode lag.
To account for no poise, every player is just magically allowed to roll out of a combo after the second hit, regardless of their equipment or mobility.
It's fucking retarded, scrap your hyperarmor bullshit on anything that isn't specifically a heavy ultra weapon R2, and just use Poise. It's easier to understand and a trivial matter to balance.
>>335850124
If you timed and spaced it properly, the other guy shouldn't fucking hit you, especially if you roll away fast enough.
>>335846750
>the Q isn't even a Q
That triggers me more than the shitty comment desu
>>335849956
Nah, poise backstabs were stupid.
>>335849654
You can fix the first issue by removing poise in neutral stance, or by balancing poise damage such that zwei R1s always stagger unless you're also stacking iron flesh or some shit. That would also fix min-maxed lighter weapons coming ahead on damage since they would get staggered on a trade.
>>335849956
>That;s called punishing
No you punish mistakes, not him literally doing anything.
When you have a game where you win automatically if your opponent takes any action just because your equipment beats his, it's not a balanced game.
>>335850182
>Dagger, rapiers, small blunts, knuckle, small axes, whips, all inferior garbage except as BS shit.
Hmmm.
>>335849305
my first character was spiked mace until i got smough's hammer. second character was estoc/mage.
str/pyro > estoc/mage
>>335850414
>poise backstabs were stupid
>punishing the enemy for mistakes they made is stupid
You're stupid.
>>335850305
>It's a kickstarter
>"Created in partnership with Bandai Namco" -IGN
Fucking hell. At least From didn't endorse it, r-right?
>>335850182
Read what, a post that literally says it's okay for heavy weapons to be 100% useless?
>>335850535
If you're punishing them for the """mistake""" of not picking a dex weapon then yes, it is stupid.
>From have fucked up PC ports literally 3 times now
>People are surprised.
>>335850535
In the case of poise backstab that mistake is... attacking with a heavy weapon.
>>335850407
I can see you missed the point.
If your opponent hits you cleanly by properly spacing and timing his attack, what part of you BSing him with impunity as you shrug off his attack thanks to poise is "punishing?"
You played like a retard, but since you had poise you were rewarded.
>>335850325
kek
>>335850509
Most of those weapons weren't inferior because of poise, it was other reasons entirely. Getting rid of poise wouldn't make whips or fist weapons any less garbage.
And rapiers are entirely viable, especially Ricard's rapier.
>>335850479
>you punish mistakes
That was a mistake, he didn't fuck up because of his equipment, he fucked up because he used his equipment improperly. What part of this are you not getting?
>>335850676
It's the same shit on consoles though
>>335850676
Poise bug (?) affects all versions. It was just PC that it was found on.
>3 times now
Aside from the durability bug which was more annoying than anything, there was nothing wrong with the DaS2 port.
>>335850878
>he didn't fuck up by using the wrong equipment, he just fucked up by using his equipment to do literally anything other than try to poise BS
Okay faggot, you're retarded. Slow weapons were literally useless against anyone with poise and you're literally arguing FOR that while claiming you aren't.
>>335850878
You don't actually know of they were inferior or not though. All we know really is that their R1 mash wasn't a good frametrap like Falchion. Nobody ever found out if they had good combos, pokes or anything because they had no retarded mash frametrap.
Also Ricard's was shit.
>>335850479
>No you punish mistakes, not him literally doing anything.
Are you new to video games? Giving your opponent an opening to attack is a mistake.
>>335849598
Those heavy weapons wont get anymore poise during an attack than they do now. They already get max poise.
All passive poise will do is let estocs stun you more because you won't flinch when they hit you. What became 2 hit combos will become 5 hit combos for them.
>>335845236
>mfw people unironically fill out name and/or thread subject as if this was reddit or some kind of shit forum
>>335851064
and if using a heavy weapon is a mistake, then the game is imbalanced.
>>335850791
But that's not what happens. Where did you get the idea that poise is what caused backstabs to be so frequent? DaS's netcode was the main offender there.
>>335850716
The mistake was missing.
>>335851067
>What became 2 hit combos will become 5 hit combos for them.
The idea though is your attack finishes so a heavy weapon will wreck their shit for getting greedy.
>>335850952
ds2 port had input delay and awful camera controls
At least DS3 is playable without any fix. Still has a couple of annoying bugs though.
>>335851135
>the mistake was missing
>when you hit him
You are a fucking retard.
>>335851135
No, you would HIT them and still get backstabbed because they had enough poise to walk through it.
>>335850993
Stop putting words into my mouth you fucking faggot. I didn't say any of that shit.
>>335851054
It had a great 2-handed R2, and of course it could poke while using a shield.
>>335849227
>Implying they wont patch it
This is FROM software, not EA. Stop being a faggot.
>>335851135
DaS's netcode was the main offender... But poisestabs were something that would just fuckup a match of proper playing, and this was frequent. The netcode was just further exasperated by the poise problem.
Don't blame the netcode as a way to pass the buck on my point; poise rewarded you for playing like shit in many cases and punished people who made properly timed and spaced attacks.
>>335845561
This is a myth parroted by drones, there is no proof at all in any tests that indicates poise affects hyper armor
DaS 3 is just a shit BB rehash that From shat out to cash in on the franchise before they move on to their Sony deal
>>335851309
>it's okay for the game to be made in such a way that you literally cannot use a heavy weapon for anything but backstabs
Your actual argument. I put no words in yoru mouth at all.
>>335846253
even if you have a shield out and block those fucking dogs they still somehow hit you sometimes.
>>335851213
>>335851236
My bad, I thought we were talking about a heavy greatsword missing and being punished with a backstab, not strafing with poise and backstabbing.
>>335850575
I have some news for you son...
>>335844053
Time is convoluted. Armour phases in and out.
>>335851416
>it's okay for the game to be made in such a way that you literally cannot use a heavy weapon for anything but backstabs
Those are your words. Show me exactly where I said that.
>>335851313
The game has already been patched multiple times and it literally only takes switching one 0 to a 1 to enable it. It's so fucking easy people playing on pc do it themselves.
You're the faggot.
>>335845431
The whole point is they left a disabled or broken stat in the game.
>>335851565
>Those are your words. Show me exactly where I said that.
You're literally arguing that it's okay for people to walk through a heavy weapon attack and """""""""""""""""""""punish"""""""""""""""""""""" the guy for LANDING A FUCKING HIT THAT WAS SPACED PROPERLY by backstabbing him just because he stacked a lot of poise.
>>335851485
What? ;_;
>>335846926
Why did you post a picture of a Dex fag?
>>335851586
So what's Dark Souls 3 with poise turned on like? Is it everything I ever wished for?
FROM truly is the Bethesda of japanese games.
>>335851236
>>335851330
Not him but so fucking what? DaS 3 backstabs are different, you can whiff them.
I've never seen a fucking backstab in pvp in this game, everyone has anime speed and ultra fast chugging, it's the worst pvp it has ever been
>>335846558
I got invaded yesterday in the farron swamp, and I got the watchdog and the dark spirit to chase me all the way up to the stray demon, where I did nothing but roll around aimlessly forever. They couldn't hit me, and I was making no attempt to hit them. Then I misclicked and did a roll attack and died. Shit was fun
What's best stat to enchance the weapon for now for PvP?
>>335851313
When are they going to patch shitty AI? Because it's been five games and they still haven't patched it.
>>335849035
Hyper Armour = Being uninterruptible after a certain point during an animation (usually an attack). EG in Bloodborne if you Chsrged R2 and saw the white flash it meant that the attack would finish in its entirety regardless if you got hit.
Super Armour = Regular poise in games where "poise" wasn't a term (DeS and BB). Usually referred to enemies since the player didn't have any.
>>335851684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaoGYbK0fo
>>335851684
It's slightly less bloodborne
They still need to fix the embarassing magic system
>>335846292
It's already easy to kil every boss with a large club or UGS if you know what you're doing. I can't imagine what it'd be like if you could just poise tank them on top of it
not to mention it'd make cheesing with straight sword extremely easy since you wouldn't even care about getting hit
>>335851684
Yes, it's just as easy and mindless as your fantasies, you estoc faggot.
People need to stop whining about MUH POISE CRUTCH FAST WEAPONS AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH BAAAAW and start whining about actually broken shit like faith spells being useless aside from Tears of Denial.
>>335851808
uhh killing gundyr with a great club is not that easy, trust me it's way fucking easier ith a dark sword or a broadsword
>>335848265
It was fucking awful and practically broke PvP you fucking retard
If it comes back be prepared for the shitty fucking DaS1 meta all over again
I swear to god only idiots defend that shit or at least people that aren't good at PvP
>>335851123
Nothing wrong with games where PvP is completely optional to be imbalanced, specially in games where it's pretty clear that certain playstyles have clear advantages and every other one is apparently meant for challenge playthroughs. For instance, in theory you can play GTA without ever firing a gun, Skyrim without using magic or items, Mario without ever picking a single powerup and so on.
>>335845254
This title is just a bridge between bb and das. Next game will have both worlds combined
>>335845254
>Unfortunately, it is looking more and more like Miyazaki's return to Dark Souls was not the second coming I hoped for
Gee, it's ALMOST as if the people shouting MUH B-TEAM in response to anything DaS2-related were Bloodborne memers that were shockingly-unaware of how little Miyazaki accounts for when it comes to a game being good or not
>>335849654
Solution:
Tie equip load to Strength, it makes sense since holding heavy stuff requires you to be strong, and would stop Dex and Magic builds wearing Havels armour.
>>335846662
Yhorm's shield and the wolf ring are absolutely heartbreaking to look at in my inventory.
>>335851705
>Sending the goalposts to orbit.
I'm talking about DaS1 poise and why it's shit.
>>335851647
If the guy has enough poise to shrug off a UGS weak attack, than he probably has heavy armor and/or the wolf ring (visible through a gray aura on the user), both of which the player can recognize and prepare for before trying to weak attack. Instead of lazily throwing out weak attacks, the heavy weapon user should try some rolling attacks or strong attacks, or even some sorcery.
>>335852021
Or rather, memers who didn't realise Miyazaki was in fact on board for DaS2.
>>335852021
BB was actually really good. It accomplished everything it set out to do.
>>335852131
And I'm talking about DaS 1 poise in DaS 3, your argument does not apply to DaS 3
Maybe poise is just a shit mechanic in general? Kudos to them for realizing that and removing it.
Honestly DSIII should have the Bloodborne quickstep by default instead of rolling, it was a clear improvement in gameplay but they were forced to tune down to slow-paced rolling
>>335845254
I find DaS3 to be a lot better than DaS1 actually. Then again, that's mostly because DaS1 was unfinished. I mostly like it more because it's fast-paced.
It would hands-down be the best in the series by far if magic was fixed and non-SS/rapier/katana weapons were buffed. That's the biggest issue with the game.
>>335852153
>the heavy weapon user should try some rolling attacks
Which he will get poise BS'd through, or parried.
>or strong attacks
Which he will get BS'd for
>or even some sorcery
>Heavy weapons were viable! You just had to not use them and use magic instead!
>>335851993
Please, the lack of poise was more harmful than poise itself. How is every attack stunlocking or staggering the target fair?
>>335852214
>I-It was bad anyway, it's good it doesn't work!
>>335852214
>and removing it.
>by adding the stats on your character and adding items that add poise in the game
oy mate ur a faget
>>335852214
>Honestly DSIII should have the Bloodborne quickstep by default instead of rolling
Jesus chirst fucking kill yourself, Dark Souls combat was great because it had positioning and weight behind it, not some bullshit bloodborne anime combat
Oh yeah look at this fucking great combat so good mmh slupr yes Miyazaki cock slurp so good
Souls fags can't even blame the "B team" this time.
Get fucked retards and admit DS2 is superior.
>>335844053
wait, so poise doesn't work like it does in das1? just simply allowing you not to get staggered by heavy blows?
That was what poise did in the first game. has anyone even tried to wear high poise items to see if they get staggered less? i get the feeling no one as even fucking tried
>>335852195
I never mentioned DaS3 in any post I've made. My very first post was about how DaS1 was inferior to DeS basically because poise.
I also believe they're incapable of balancing fuckall I guess, I'll concede that to you. I have no idea how poise would work and if poisestabs would come back, or if it would make things worse.
Likely you'll be swimming in more Darkswords and Estocs than ever.
>>335852214
Also they should remove equip load like Bloodborne because at this point it's there just to annoy you out of cool looking armor, since you can no longer upgrade armor and therefore they hardly make a gameplay difference
>>335852303
You're just exaggerating now, faggot. You can't counter every hit with a backstab, as much as you want to believe it.
Next time, stop using McDonald's wifi and blaming poise for what your posts clearly indicate is a connection problem.
>all these butthurt shitters that are upset that they can't wear full havels and r1 every single enemy in the game
This will never stop being funny.
>>335852387
>Dark Souls combat
>has weight
Not until they implement hitstop properly, it doesn't.
>>335852075
Isn't quality meta anyways?
>instead of any actual arguments the thread just turns to str vs dex shitposting
A shame really, even the souls general devolved into such a base level of conversation.
>>335852332
Hyper armor is an active method of trading and benefits heavy weapons that need it to compete with fast weapons.
Poise was a passive system that benefitted anyone, especially fast weapons that had the extra equipload to spare. It also enabled poise backstabs which pretty much became the fucking meta and led to fucking one shots constantly. It was horseshit even if you were good at it
It was also broken due to how it forced you to hit stupid breakpoints or get stunlocked to death
>>335852387
I have seen literally the same situation and scene happen coutless times in Dark Souls I
Just admit Souls combat is not really well-developed towards PvP, it's just a fun mini-game
>>335852414
so long as soul memory is a thing dark souls 2 will always be the worst souls game.
So does anyone know how to turn poise back on? I pirated so I don't care about PvP.
>>335852574
Posting on /v/ from anything other than consoles should be banned
>>335852387
>I use shitty weapons the webm
>>335852503
>You can't counter every hit with a backstab
You can against heavy weapons with a lot of poise since the recovery times on everything except a great club 2H rolling R1 is too long to not get BS'd.
>>335852506
>all these faggots who are completely off-topic
This will never stop being stupid.
>>335852506
Parrying, strafing, and blocking already solved that problem.
Look at this amazing combat, can you feel the A-team design?
would re-introducing poise destroy the stupidity of the estoc?
as it stands, it's almost impossible for a greatsword user to compete if the estoc user can just stagger with a single hit
>>335852387
>DWGR.
>Flip around retreating like an asshole for 5 minutes before anyone lands a hit because rolling pokes are garbage.
>BB.
>Flip around retreating like an asshole and get constantly poked by extremely fast quickstep r1s and gunshot.
BB might be shit, but it had the best spacing and offense in the series.
>>335852387
Bloodborne had amazing pvp though, what does anime have to do with anything?
Only problem is it uses Sony's stupid fucking PS4 and servers almost no one can connect to.
>>335850374
>In Dark Souls 3, hyperarmor replaces it. This means that the question of "will it stagger" is entirely the aggressors, meaning whoever is on the recieving end has to magically know when his opponent has hyperarmor and what moves have it (and which do not)
This actually pisses me off the most. It forces me to learn literally what every weapon in the game does so I know which attacks have hyper armour.
It's so fucking dumb.
>>335852646
Nope. FROM added a stat has doesn't do anything.
>>335852684
Is a heavy AGS good, or should I only bother using it on my quality build? I want a sword to use on my strength character.
>>335852742
parrying is l2, not r1
>>335852794
Appeals to autistic fanboys though.
>People shit on DaS2 for having bad game mechanics
>Literally all of it returns except ADP
kek loving every tear
>>335852749
yeah, it sure would be a lot better if it was like DS1 where you one-shotted him during his first attack because you could just poise through it and backstab him.
>>335852802
How this guy >>335851769 did it then?
>>335852749
>Some nerd blow all his stamina flipping around uselessly like some breed of flying faggot
>Gets destroyed because it's a 2v1
>"wow what bad design"
???
>>335852813
I just got this on PC is anyone else having problems with summoning where people just slide around? it's not my internet i've checked
>>335852387
...git gud?
>>335852691
Play through the game with the MSGS or DGM and get back to me.
>>335852590
Hyper armor is a joke. Staggering should be a result of armor, not weapons.
>>335852887
Where's my powerstancing, faggot?
>>335852810
the AGS is good for the charge, but the zweihaender outclasses it on damage output, especially if refined
>>335852810
the most fun I've ever had with UGS
Charge really helps put pressure
some times I dont even complete my one two R1 combo and just go for one hit then do a charge
catches a WHOLE lot of people by surprise
>>335852387
You complain when hitboxes are broken.
You complain when ADP determines iframes.
Now you're complaining about rolling doing it's job?
Nigger please
>>335852794
Git gud faggot.
It's not like there are a huge number of weapons you see in PvP.
So how do I turn poise? I'm willing to play the cracked version of the game if it means having a functional DaS combat and not this bloodborne fac simile
I don't mind them nutting up and removing poise if they actually believe it will help the game, despite what I might believe on the matter.
What pisses me off is that they were too afraid to simply remove the poise stat altogether. Why? Why have a useless stat in the game?
Wolf Ring and heavy armor are literally useless now for players, and yet the Havel at the dragon shrine gets his poise.
The whole system's fucking retarded.
>>335852902
Mods.
>>335852794
That sure is better than having to recognize literally every piece of armor on sight including armor that looks almost identical (or in the case of stuff like Black Knight/Silver Knight armor, completely identical) on a phantom and know the exact poise value of it and then adding it all together so you know whether or not you should black crystal out since they'll just poise BS you.
>>335852794
>Learn hyper armor attacks on one hand.
>Learn poise BPs and poise damage on the other hand. Also make half the weapons useless.
Hmm...
>>335852927
buy the game instead of pirating you poor shit
>>335852937
No, it's should be an active effect of the weapon
There's a reason poise was only in 1 game and hyper armor was in 4 of them. It's a broken system
>>335852021
B-Team was literally A-Team, only with additional members. Aside from like 2 supervisors gone, the only real difference was that Miyazaki wasn't on board. Unfortunately no one realizes that Miyazaki only is involved in setting and lore, not gameplay mechanics (or if he is, negatively).
>>335853007
>Why have a useless stat in the game?
Because people who buy this tripe will make up lore theories justifying it being there but not doing anything and believe those theories like they're the only honest truth.You're also at fault.
>poise is bad
Why was everyone using havel to ninjaflip in dark souls 1 then?if you say you werent then you're fucking lying and you know it. literally everyone used that shit
>>335848041
It was probably just a late design decision and they didn't have time to completely remove it. It sucks, but it's not that big of a problem.
>>335853008
That's exactly what I'm asking for.
>>335853040
>>Learn hyper armor attacks on one hand., make everything that is not a fast weapon useless and vitality and armor useless
>>Learn poise BPs and poise damage on the other hand. Also make half the weapons actually use their R2
ftfy
>>335852460
Poise in Dark Souls 3 is turned off. You can stack as much as you want and it will change nothing. You will still be staggered by every attack.
>>335853017
You're right, strategy makes my head hurt. Combat needs to be dumbed down so even the stupidest retard could have a chance.
>>335852938
Weapon arts.But yeah, powerstancing was better since it was more versatile.
>>335851663
I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one
>>335852937
>DGM
Yeah that sure is viable in PVP, oh wait, everyone will just backstab you.
>MSGS
Greatswords aren't really heavy weapons.
>>335853131
>B-Team was literally A-Team, only with additional members.
And those members were gone for DaS3, which results in many errors fixed in DaS2 returning for DaS3. Like full i-frames on opening doors.
>>335853094
I did cock gobbler
>>335845818
>Hyper armour is determined by your weapon moveset; not your poise.
Well that explains a lot. I saw /v/ complaining endlessly about the low poise in the game but I had 0 issues since I was using the great club as soon as I found it.
>>335851982
not when he just dies to parries
>>335845254
Dark Souls was worse than DeS in pretty much every way. What refinements are you talking about?
>>335853180
>WOW ALL THIS MEMORIZING SHIT IS GAY
>but you had to memorize more for DS1
>WOW YOU DON'T WANT TO MEMORIZE SHIT? WHAT ARE YOU, GAY?
Also, I agree with your post. combat should be dumbed down so even retards have a chance, and DS1 poise is the best way to do that since all you need to do in DS1 is stack a lot of poise and backstab people.
>>335853007
>Why? Why have a useless stat in the game?
What is endurance?
Also, it's not like From has any track record of leaving unfinished or unused content easily identifiable in the middle of game code or even the actual game which also is the main cause of FromSoftware famous FPS drops and performance issues
>and yet the Havel at the dragon shrine gets his poise
Because they can easily turn on the switch just for this character in particular because muh nostalgia and muh reference, remember that time everyone used the same set weapon and ruined multiplayer? *wink wink*
>The whole system's fucking retarded
Souls games were never an example of a quality product, it's just addicting
>>335853335
Letting him stack poise and upgrade armor to the point where he could walk through attacks and take minimal damage from them. Dodging makes his head hurt. Same as everyone else whining about the game not having poise.
>>335853335
Removal of Item Weight was a huge improvement imo
>>335853318
>equipping a shield with a great club
It's like you think I'm faggot or something
>>335853239
>Greatswords aren't really heavy weapons.
Well that's it for me. Congratulations, you're the biggest retard of all time. Your certificate will arrive in the mail in 5-10 business days. Thanks for playing champ!
Poise breaks the game anyways. Right now if you use a straight sword you at leastneed to use skill in iorder to beat a great sword user since they outrange you and can tank through your attacks if they start swinging before you get in range to attack them.
But if poise were to return, every fight against a great sword user would just be
>try to get in range to attack great sword user
>they hit R1
>I see them wind-up
>I have two choices at this point
>dodge
>get a hit in with my small weapon that will take away 1/6 of his health, then take a hit myself that removes 1/3 of my health because they can ignore my attacks
>or roll away and nobody takes damage
Poise ensures that EVERY ATTEMPT TO ATTACK A GREATSWORD USER WILL ALWAYS RESULT IN A WINNING TRADE FOR THE GREATSWORD USER
How do you idiots not see this? If you had high poise and a greatsword ALL you have to do in PvP is hit R1 whenever someone is in range of your attack, you will ALWAYS WIN THE TRADE.
Maybe the longsword user tanks your hit instead of rolling away after losing a third of his health so he can hit you again?
JUST R1 AGAIN
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SPAM R1 WHEN SOMEONE IS IN RANGE AND YOU WILL NEEVVEEERRR LOSE WITH POISE
>>335853341
and all you need to in DS3 is to equip a fast weapon and spam R1.
I miss powerstancing dual ultra greatswords
>>335853250
>And those members were gone for DaS3
Are they?
Do we have a comparison list of team members yet?
It would explain why there are shitty decisions now like removing the blue orb for darkmoons and sentinels.
>Broadsword which is physically shorter than my axe
>out ranges me.
FROM
>>335853372
>Souls games were never an example of a quality product
*locks on*
*holds analog stick to the side*
*backstabs u*
heh... git gud, kid
>>335853467
Greatswords are slightly slower than katanas you fucking retard.
Heavy weapons means shit like ultra greatswords and greataxes.
In final fantasy 1 intelligence and a few other things did absolutely nothing. So it could be worse. Not defending poise being broken, I just think it's funny.
>>335853165
Someone never played Demon's Souls. DBS was God tier and it was slow as fuck.
>>335853443
no, just a fucking dumbass for not having all your bases covered
>>335853530
>It would explain why there are shitty decisions now like removing the blue orb for darkmoons and sentinels.
No, it wouldn't. The additional members were mostly QA programmers. You know, the sort of people who play the game, find bugs and suggest/implement fixes. Not people who make core design decisions.
Poise was pretty much the only way to make two handed weapons viable.
>>335853487
Yeah, it's a slightly better system since there are easy ways to counter that unlike poise BS.
>>335853372
>it's not like From has any track record of leaving unfinished or unused content easily identifiable in the middle of game code
No. There's a world of diference between unused pieces of codes and assets (which all games have) and fully implemented items in the game that clearly tell you they do something when, in fact, they don't do anything at all.
Lying to the player like that is NOT okay.
>>335853482
learning basic mechanics is too much for the average retard here
there is a reason why smash is the dominant fighter around here
>>335844464
>Turns out they simply put a stat in the game that does nothing
what's wrong with this. why does it bother you that it does nothing.
>>335845254
rushed development. Two years to make the game.
This was bound to happen.
>>335853165
R2 was at its best in BB, what the fuck are you on about retard?
The Miyazaki apologists are fucking disgusting, they are trying to make poise look bad and justify DaS 3 being a literal BB clone just so they can defend their overlord.
>>335853482
What is whiff punish?
>>335853654
>Lying to the player like that is NOT okay.
What if it'slore?
>>335853482
>all poise heavy armors were weak to status effects like poison, bleeding and toxic
>refuse to use any of that shit and cry anyway
>one flaw
>hate the game
stop this
>>335853709
Honestly, DaS3 is probably the best in the series in my opinion, safe for some stupid decisions like the Poise thing.
>>335853017
Poise didn't matter for mages, other poise tanks, and DEX builds. They could all easily fuck up a poise tank.
>>335853482
yeah because this is totally what happened in dark souls 1
lol
>>335853482
Don't expect retards on /v/ to understand anything anon
They probably just think poise is a good system just because it was in DaS1
>>335851608
yea but is it mentioned IN-GAME?
somebody tell me if poise is mentioned IN-GAME
>>335853639
>you're a dumbass for not wanting to play with a shield and cheese the game
Am I a dumbass for not carrying a bow or killing everything with magic while being far away too?
UR A FAGET
So glad that I passed on this steaming pile of garbage.
It is no Bloodborne that is for sure.
>>335853743
>everyone groupthinks poise should exist
>from turns it on in a hotfix
gestalt reality manipulation theory confirmed!
>>335853280
You have to be kindled.
And the matchmaking iw broken as shit, some times it just wont work.
>>335853658
It's awful, they should have just removed it. Dark Souls 1 had nothing like this.
>>335853743
There's no lore in Dark Souls though
>mfw my current character has the wolf ring equipped
We can see how Poise is "supposed" to work with preceverance and stomp weapon arts. Armor poise is broken. Just accept it.
>>335853875Realityis convoluted!
>use iron flesh
>have thrall axe
mfw i have poise for days quickstep for days and you cant do anything to stop me
>>335853656
Smash is the most popular because it has the lowest skill floor.
All mechanics taken into account, it has a reasonably high skill ceiling, but most will never come close to it.
>>335853867
Is there a more perfect game than BB?
>>335853989
>its broken because then I wouldn't be able to R1 spam everyone
>>335844053
From Software made armor useless, and by extension Vitality useless given it's only function is to let you equip more.
Poise doesn't do anything? Why aren't people talking about the fact that one of the stats you can spend souls on doesn't do anything except let you change your characters cosmetics?
>>335844053
It's a spiritual successor to the resistance stat in Dark Souls 1 you newfag.
>>335844053
>tfw my entire first build was a STR focused Poise build like the one I had in DS1
>just gave up on it after realizing I had 40 points in VIT, was wearing the heaviest armor I could, and was still getting slapped out of attacks by the very first basic bitch hollow enemies with daggers
>Tfw I spent 90% of my playthrough dumping points into a literal useless stat that did nothing but allow me to waste time trying to figure out how to make heavy armor and weapons not shit
>>335853932
>I never watched Vaati or ENB
Okay.
who /notasperg/ here?
correct response to the game having a useless stat is
>oh dang, guess poise doesn't do anything in this game, guess I'll ignore it
wrong reaction is
>THE GAME LITERALLY HAS A USELESS STAT OMG FUCKING TRIGGERED REEEEEEEE
>>335853482
>I don't know what magic is.
>armor is only meant for fashion purposes!
Then why do they have different defense stats?
Why do they weigh anything at all?
Why do I have to pump a stat solely designed around equip load to wear my favorite outfit?
>>335853654
>what is endurance
>what is the talisman in DS1
>what is the beast-transformation in Bloodborne
>what is nerfed shadows and lightning in DS2
>>335854064
Resistance functioned in DS1.
kys
>>335854058
>armor is useless
I love this meme
Playing on my quality build with light armor and 27 vitality, attacks that take off half my health bar only take off about 1/4 at most from my lower leveled strength character with 17 vitality and heavy armor.
>>335854114
>TRIGGERED
/tumblr/ is that way ---->
>>335852590
In DaS2 hyper armor frames just halved the incoming poise damage. So everyone could use poise, but heavy weapons users got more out of it.
Aside from a couple things (Stone Ring being way too good, running R1's always staggering for some reason, everything in general doing too much poise damage especially when two-handed) DaS2's poise system was good.
>>335854114
No, the correct response is to find the reason why the error was made and try to correct it.
>>335854142
If you do even a minor amount of research or go to a tournament (and get shit on) you'll see what I mean.
>>335852332
It balances the playing field by forcing everyone, regardless of armor or weapon, to learn weapons move sets and adjust accordingly, or face punishment via stagger.
Being able to stack poise and tank everything tilts the favor entirely and solely towards the favor of the one stacking poise. Fighting people with poise in DS1 was one of the most frustrating and drawn out things ever in DS1 PvP because no matter what approach you took, nothing you did worked because they can just dance through it all while mashing R1, while you eat endless attacks and possibly die. The only viable counter against poise babbies was sorcery and maybe pyromancy.
Poise made DS1 meta unfun and painfully tedious. Ds2 wasn't as bad because poise couldn't be stacked and used viably until you passed 150. After that you started finding Havel katana R1 shitters.
>>335853867
>>335853867
>>335854030
Honestly speaking though, anyone else feel like Bloodborne looks way better graphically?
>>335854131
yeah I sure like all those PvP viable spells in Dark Souls 1 like Black Flame, Wrath of the Gods and
>>335854058
Because the difference between a light armor set and an heavy armor set is around 30% damage absorption and only retards would consider 30% more effective health as something useless
>>335854205
yep, like I said, that's the wrong reaction. Is that how you reacted bro? because that's the wrong way to react. /tumblr/ is over theere ---> you fucking sperg
>>335845431
>you have a problem with the best game ever that i've beaten that gives me a sense of self worth?
>git gud XD
>>335854179
No bitch YOU kill yourself you RC cola drinking FAGGOT! DIEDIEDIEDIEDIE DIIIIIIIE I HATE YOU SO GOD DAMN MUCH!
>>335854178
All intentional.
>>335851993only autists care about PvP over PvE
>>335854114
>wow, this monitor i just bought has a black spot on 10% of it
>guess i'll just ignore it instead of demanding a fix, hahaha
>>335848497
not that guy, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
DaS1 heavy weapons were ridiculously strong. It's like people are forgetting giantdads and their lightning zweis..
I personally used a demon great machete with darkmoon blade, 3 hits, that's all I need to kill 90% of people in the game, the fact I could fast roll (or even ninja roll) with it was ridiculous, given the fast HUGE range thrust rolling R1 it had
>>335854169
>Then why do they have different defense stats?
Mostly useless, Bloodborne had those too
>Why do they weigh anything at all?
Because autistic fags like you would complain if they didn't leave the old out-dated DS1 mechanic there
>Why do I have to pump a stat solely designed around equip load to wear my favorite outfit?
Same answer as above
It is all thanks to nostalgiafags
>>335846564
>playing on consoles
Bro, come on, why would you out yourself as a faggot already?
>>335854303
Yeah and all of them take a huge dump on Poise-based builds.
Poise is easily beatable, just not in the way you like.
>>335853842
It's right there in the stat menu.
>>335845785
oh fuck off. DaS3 is sorely lacking in the variety of different viable playstyles DaS1 had, heavy armor and shield tanking being a few of them.
>>335853842
Yes you colossal faggot. It shows your poise stat in game and on every piece of armor. You can see how much you have, it just doesn't do anything.
>>335854108
>Vaati
At least think for your self, or discuss in /vg/
I have seen Vaati say a lot of senseless shit in his videos.
>>335854305
every piece of clothing in the game already absorbs a flat % amount of damage
you're not getting much more from armro
>>335854368
Intentionally left out of the game but never really bothered to remove the traces of it's existence
just like poise in DS3
there are plenty of items and even a covenant that hint at Bloodborne originally having a beast transformation mode, but they decided to remove it and just kind of left the rest there just enough to not break the game
>>335854451
Black Flame's poise damage isn't even all that high compared to heavy weapons and it comes out very slow if you don't have high dex. It's mostly only good for punishing people rolling into you.
Wrath of the Gods is good for dead-angling but that's about it.
>>335854178
Things that do stuff. Contrary to poise.
Wether you see them as underpowered is completely irrelevant and you're gigantic retarded faggot for not realizing that.
ITT
people who havent learned how to use stomp and Perserverance weapon skills
>>335854414
>It is all thanks to nostalgiafags
I wonder, would your logic apply to Fallout 4 as well? If they left skills in and they did literally nothing, just increase a number with 0 effect, would the reception have been better?
>>335854414
>it's your fault, not From's!
I forgot how insufferable blind fanboys are.
>>335853151
Giants and elite knight were the most common armors.
>>335853812
It literally was except instead of R1 spamming they just tanked through your attack and backstabbed you. You're a fucking retard if you think DaS 1 poise was a good system. It would only be R1 spam instead of backstab soam because backstabs are easier to fuck up in 3.
>>335853768
>it should be impossible to beat a large weapon user with a small weapon! The only way you should be able to win is by spamming bleed and poison!
What is balance, retardo? Right now, both light and heavy weapons can beat their opposites using skill. Large weapons have to counter small weapons by spacing and timing, small weapons have to counter large weapons by baiting attacks and poking when the enemy is vulnerable.
>>335853713
Whiffs wouldn't be punishable with poise. Even if I swing at you with a greatsword and I miss, all I have to do to prevent being punished is swing again. Even if the enemy "punishes" me by hitting me with their longsword and removing 1/6 of my health, my poise would ensure I ignore the hit and continue my swing and, you guessed it, WIN THE TRADE
>>335854526
>I have seen Vaati say a lot of senseless shit in his videos.
>>335854586
hyper armor≠poise
and there's no proof poise increases anything related to hyper armor
>>335854586
You mean the skills that aren't affected by your poise?
>Relive flipdad hell
or
>Shortsword stun rape
I don't know what's worse anymore.
>>335854515
There is even a ring that does nothing but increase poise, which of course makes the ring useless.
>>335854586
ITT
fromdrones desperately trying to dance around the fact that fromsoft outrageously fucked up
>>335854561
>dead-angling
This will kill any slow-ass poise tank. You're understating its relevance.
Dark bead at short range is always deadly.
An unblocked CSS will also kill and is rarely expected.
TWoP is a confirm for basically any kill.
>People defending a huge huge oversight with git gud memes
Get the fuck off of this board and get back to r/darksouls. You're the reason why this fanbase is shit.
>>335854709
go back to ds2 because that pvp was much better than either of those games
>Dark Souls esports is a serious thing
>>335854305
When bosses will 1-2 shot you with the absolute best armor in the game, a 30% difference is nothing. Infact, a 30% difference stops being relevant less than half way through the game because by this point everything is 2 shotting you anyway.
For 30% more effective health to have a noticeable effect, you need to be able to survive at least 3 hits, which is incredibly rare.
And lets not forget, right now you are comparing the worst armor to the best. More realistically, it's going to be closer to a 10-15% difference in damage taken, which means you need to survive 6-10 attacks for it to have any noticeable effect.
There is very few enemies in the game that are this weak.
Armor is useless. Most of the time you'll be sat at around 15-25% damage reduction and it has no significant effect on anything.
i'm glad I don't give a single fuck about PvP or lore and only play these games for the single player gameplay
>>335854526
>I have seen Vaati say a lot of senseless shit in his videos.
>*backed up by facts from the games.
Bruh.
>>335854770
>oversight
Isn't it just a lie if they put the stat in and lied about what it did.
>>335852752
Here's a method for dealing with Estoc that works 90% of the time, every time:
step 1 use Caestus in offhand
step 2 check to see if your opponent is an r1 spammer
step 3 don't panic
step 4 after getting hit twice, press L2
step 5 riposte while using hornet ring :^)
Caestus has the fast parry frames and can activate inbetween an Estoc's r1's. Alternatively you can use a shield and block -> parry or block -> block -> parry but the timing is slightly trickier.
but actually don't let AI play
>>335854305
IIRC it's actually more like 10%.
>>335847812
Source? Reverse search just shows the same crop in one post on the archive.
>>335844053
Real souls fan know that Dark Souls 3 is shit
Only a turbo autist would like it.
>>335854758
>This will kill any slow-ass poise tank
No, it will kill any retard turtling with a shield who doesn't roll. You seem to forget that people can easily stack poise and still be able to fastroll.
>Dark bead
Dark bead is too slow to be effective without netcode working in your favor, same with Pursuers. Not to mention both of those (and WOTG) die to GMB
>TWoP
One of the few things I missed in Dark Souls 2 and 3, although it was broken as fuck in DS1.
>>335844053
>literally does nothing
>its intended
lel
This reminds me of Foregrips in COD ghosts or black ops 2 that did absolutely nothing
>>335854838
>dark souls
>fact
all the item description and shit so ambiguous that you can just say whatever random bullshit you wanted and find something to back it up
>>335854770
>huge huge oversight
>huge huge
it's one minor stat in a long list of stats that's 90% minor stats. Nobody but giantdad memelords put points in poise anyway, and they deserve it.
>>335854531
Hello peasant.
No, the defence stat is not a flat damage reduction and defence and absorption are two differents stats that work independently from each others. The defence stat is taken into account first then the damage left is reduced by the damage absorption.
>>335854809
Nothing has ever 2 shot me in the game. You're getting 2 shot because you have shit defence and no absorption.
>>335854880
They just forgot to switch the 0 to 1. Top kek.
Poise should be in the game, but it should only let you break out of stunlocks before the second hit, not eliminate hitstun entirely.
DS1 poise was retarded, but poise needs to do something to make armor more useful.
>>335844053
So its equipment load that determines whether you stagger or not?
So how is it when I slash some enemies they stagger and other times they don't?
>>335854983
Thats the entire point, dude.
>>335854958
If they can still fast-roll, an UGS will handle them.
I'm talking about Lv. 200+ full Havel's.
>>335855073
Equipment load affects stagger during roll recovery, not in general.
>>335845785
>average darksword user
>>335855104
>If they can still fast-roll, an UGS will handle them.
Unless they poise through it and BS you.
>>335855015
>stat does nothing in an RPG
>blatantly false item descriptions in a game that relies heavily on written descriptions
These ARE huge.
>>335855073
It's which weapon and which attack you are using. It has nothing to do with anything else.
>>335855015
>one minor stat
this isn't a minor stat, this is the stat that used to determine whether you staggered on hits and poise damage as a whole determined how hard you hit
light weapons could not stagger people with heavy armor but now because theres no poise, none of that is even true
heavy weapons don't stagger light armor opponents at all
you'd think getting hit by a light weapon would do jack shit and getting hit by heavy weapons would stagger you alot
>>335855037
>Nothing has ever 2 shot me in the game
So speaks a liar.
I played most of the game with about 25% absorption and whatever defence (120ish?). Most stuff 2 shot me. Investing 30+ soul levels into a stat so I could equip armor that would give me an extra 10% damage reduction was not worth it. I could have spent that on hp and it would have given me a shit load more survivability.
Vitality is a useless stat. Only an idiot gets it.
>>335844053
Poise was shit. No poise is better
>>335854621
>i'm an r1 spamming shitter
>>335855220
>>335855183
wow what a load of crap
no wonder I get staggered by Estoc's in heavy armor
>>335855242
You're retarded, poise made light weapons better and heavier weapons useless.
Reminder that the ONLY people who complain about longsword R1 spam are shitters who are too retarded to
>roll out after the second hit which is GUARANTEED BY THE WAY
>block
>parry
>just fucking swing your weapon before they're close enough to hit you so that they run right into the tip of your sword, or you hyper armour through their hit and deal double the damage to them that they did to you
>>335855349
No it didn't it was the opposite faggot
it stopped light weapons from staggering people with heavy armor like havel's armor
>spend entire playthrough being a minmaxing faggot with poise to try counter the r1spamming i'd heard about
>the whole time it was just my bro greataxe looking out for me with hyper armor and i could have looked good instead of some clownsuit retard
FUCK YOU FROM
The only reason I dislike this is that heavy armor is EVEN MORE pointless now.
I want to be goddamn heavily armored knight and not be gimped goddamn it.
>>335844053
we aren't defending it. they should fix it
>>335855015
Are you retarded? Regardless of who uses poise, it's still a feature in the game — that doesn't work. Do you seriously think it's acceptable to have these kind of bugs because you don't like the playstyle? Do you like less build diversity?
>>335855475
This
I find that the armor system in general is pretty bad without poise when the damage reduction on attacks is very minimal between armor sets and light vs heavy armor alike
>>335855419
It's the middle weight weapon classes that got left in the dust. Straight sword damage, swing speeds slower than greatswords, no hyper armor, final destination.
>>335855437
Someone didn't play DS1.
>>335855243
I'm not here to educate morons on a game as simplistic as Dark Souls, you've already shown you know nothing about the stats and mechanics of the game.
Get 2 shots as much as you want buddy, I couldn't care less.
>>335855537
>poise comes back
>havel estocs R1 spammers
FUCK ID RATHER HAVE POISE OFF
OFF
F
F
>>335855274
If you had difficulty dealing with R1 spammers, see
>>335855419
R1 spam is the easiest thing to deal with because they're predictable as fuck. If you have trouble then YOU are the shitter.
>>335855597
Someone didn't play DS2
>>335855640
or you know, light weapons like estocs have very low ass poise damage like they should
>>335855664
Where light weapons had the advantage because they could poise through attacks and out-DPS you. And they had even more of an advantage because they reaped a bigger reward from the Stone Ring.
>>335844053
Poise works.
I've been raping people with the estoc and only vit builds beat me because it takes 3 hits to stagger them instead of 2.
>>335855616
Except I've probably played the game more than you and actually tested shit.
Armor does nothing it's a placebo stat and nothing more, and vitality is a pointless stat you can actually waste souls and soul levels on. Which given how much From fucked up Dark Souls 3, doesn't surprise me much.
>>335855419
>Use greatshield + longsword
>Just attack twice and block
>Become immortal
The only way to really beat them is to have a giant big huge weapon and tank their blows with super armor. Now that's good design. I suppose you could risk parrying in this laggy ass game. Or perhaps we could all just use fast weapons and shields. If everyone is using the same thing, then it's balanced.
>>335855754
They don't need to stun you when they can just kill you while you take your time to try and swing your greatclub twice to stun them.
>>335853151
I made a sl1 darkwaith and had so much fun that I never got around to making a high level pvp build.
So no, I didn't do the havelflip.
>>335855813
I'd like to ask you how you know what kind of builds other players have. Last time I played Dark Souls 3, you couldn't look at their stats.
>>335848878
>has THREE phantoms
No fucking shit the fight is easy if you have four faggots spamming R1. Fight Havel one on one and enjoy his unending poise, shit tons of armor, and one hit kill attacks.
>>335845254
>Miyazaki's return to Dark Souls was not the second coming I hoped for.
That was called Bloodborne.
>>335855472
I'm over here laughing at this cuck
>mfw they try to parry my heavy crystal drang hammers during my weapons art spam
>mfw free stunlocks + damage
It's pretty much fashion souls now with the advantage of light weapons having a lower equip load to punish rollers a lot more.
>>335855939
I can see their armor and weapons dingus.
>>335855890
If someone does the same thing repetitively you should be able to counter it. Whether that's parrying (which is admittedly laggy) or saying FUCK YOU and guard breaking the fag for a riposte
>>335856158
Doesn't tell you anything about their stat builds.
>>335855062
Wouldn't that literally be a 1 bit patch?
>>335856284
You need a script to specifically identify and change that one line. Theres a lot more to a patch than a bit
>>335856237
Yeah it does. Heavier armor generally gives more poise and requires more vit.
>>335855194
They won't poise through it if they fastroll. It's mathematically impossible.
>>335856157
It's not fashion souls if wearing certain kinds of armor fucking gimps you in combat.
They should have just removed equip load or something if they wanted to go this way.
>>335856215
>Guard breaking a +5/+10 greatshield in DaS3
Have fun with that.
>>335856356
But the opening post literally says poise does nothing, it's equip load that is important. And you know what provides higher equip load? Heavier armor.
DINGUS
>There are people on /v/ RIGHT NOW that think that you must defend every single aspect of something without question to be a fan of it
>This is what videogaming industry has fallen to, where customers will defend products not based on their quality, but on the overall feedback they feel from defending it and belonging to the fanbase
>If I dislike the fact that they removed a feature i'm either a casual or don't really like the series like the retards that defend it
Why has it come to this
>>335852021
Fucking thank you. Someone gets it.
People are so easy to manipulate here with shitposting, goddamn.
Chances are poise wasn't even suppose to be in the game. From probably just reused the engine from an older Dark Souls game (how else can they whip these games out in such a short time?). They probably disabled poise early on but just forgot about it and left the actual poise stat in the game even though it was suppose to be removed.
>>335856284
Nah, smallest case scenario is they have to replace the file that has that line of code in it. Still would be a very small patch, potentially less than 1MB
>A stat that does nothing! DaS3 is fucking shit, all hail DaS1! Resistance? What's that?
>Ha, these bosses are shit and easy! DaS3 is fucking shit, I remember the great and challenging bosses from DaS1, like Gaping Dragon and Moonlight Butterfly!
>Wow, this PvP is imbalanced fucking shit! Remember the zweihander flipping backstab fishing laggy glory days of DaS1? Truly, we won't get a game as great as that ever again.
>Wow these areas in DaS3 are poorly designed, DaS1 sure is a finished game and it's not like everything after the Lordvessel is fucking horrible or anything
Are DaS1 fans the single most cancerous fanbase?
>>335856525
The hypersensitive generation only sees things in extremes.
If something is good, every aspect of it must be defended.
If something has a flaw, then everything about it is shit.
>>335856493
>reading comprehension
TO WEAR HEAVY ARMOR AND NOT FAT ROLL YOU NEED HIGH VIT
HOLY FUCKING SHIT ANON
i fucking hope they never patch drang hammers
the weapon arts being impossible to parry is the best shit
>>335856493
That's for rolling.
And i don't know why anyone trusts reddit anyways.
It probably gives you more hyper armor frames.
>>335846054
Dark sword greatshield user detected
>>335846750
>DmC
I sincerely hope you all boycott this shit. We can't let anyone who worked on that insulting tripe think they're ok to work in OUR industry again. We are gamers and we shall not tolerate such buffoonery any longer.
>>335845952
It's just not realistic. Why would a knight wear heavy armor instead of rolling out of the way?
I'm torn, because on one hand poise being turned off is really bad, but on the other if they turned poise back on the R1 spam would be even fucking worse because those faggots would never ever stagger.
>>335856641
>A stat that does nothing! DaS3 is fucking shit, all hail DaS1! Resistance? What's that?
Resistance actually did SOMETHING. It wasn't much, but it worked.
>>335856807
Just give the spammy weapons very low poise damage and heavy weapons incredibly high poise damage.
>Need poise to be good at PVP
Get a load of these sissies.
>>335855560
>Do you seriously think it's acceptable to have these kind of bugs
Yes. It doesn't significantly affect the gameplay. If you put point into a stat that didn't show a change to a tangible value like health, damage, stamina, etc, then you were taking a risk to begin with. "Poise" isn't self-expanatory, and its magnitude isn't defined anywhere.
For all you know, you could have been dumping 100 points into a stat just to take 0.1% more damage before your character staggers. That would have been equally as insignificant, but it wouldn't have been a bug. Would that have been better?
>>335856641
resistance did something though
it gave you moreresistance
>>335856715
Could be using Havels Ring + Ring of Favor. Not like there is many other rings worth using. If they start as a Knight, that is enough to wear any armor except like 3 sets and still roll decently.
>>335853482
>Using a UGS now grants infinite stamina
>whiff punish are suddendly not a thing either
>magic is now removed from the game
>btw rolling doesn't grant any iframe now
l2p
>>335848265
>it made heavy weapons actually viable
Heavy weapons are perfectly viable, in fact they're some of the best in the game.
You just have to be more careful against faster weapons because hyper armour only kicks in a certain portion into the swing so you can get stunned before that point if you're too ballsy.
>reddit pvp meta level is 120
>currently level 100
>feels like 120 in das 1
>another 20 pts and the concept of builds becomes pointless
I thought for sure the pvp lwvel would be somewhere in the 80-100 range, guess we need to be able to use everything all the time on one character.
>>335855201
>Dark Souls 1
>starting gift is a ring that says HP recovers while it's equipped
>it doesn't do that at all and instead only increases your health by a slight amount
That ticked me off a bitfor about all of 2 minutes before I started to enjoy the game
>>335857250
The reason I overlevel and shit on PVPing memers
>>335857250
/dsg/ says the meta is 80 or 100. 120 is for dank memers.
>>335857250
120 is rediculous and you shit on everything in NG
>>335856952
>he needs to spam r1 with a straight sword to stunlock people into oblivion
Cancer please go
>>335844053
Why do i have to defend anything again?
>>335857328
I would say that'd be a bad translation really.
>>335856004
>neverending poise
I think you have missed the point of this entire thread.
>>335857213
jesus, you got enough health there casual?
whenever i see health bars going across the screen like that it makes me laugh, because it's a dead giveaway the player is bad and expects to get hit a lot, so they need the health to compensate.
>>335857213
is the FUGS still good post-nerf, or should I just use Yohrm's Cleaver?
rate my build fags
>greataxe +10 heavy gem
>40 str
>firelink with no armor for lightrolls
>curse ward great sheild +5 for L2 special without dual handing
>sheild is heavy but blocks quickly
>can't parry
>have caestus in 2nd slot for parries
>caestus L2 special boosts damage absorbsion and raises poise (useless as of now)
>greataxe L2 increases strength and give a new R2 that does 2 hits
ignore the great heal, i hadn't taken it off
my attacks do 669 one handed. (on enemies without armor)
>>335857439
That's the whole point of strength weapons in PvP you tremendous retard, you trade hits and outlast them.
>>335857549
>trade hits
neo-/v/ showing how bad they are.
there's a thing called "never getting hit" and there's also a thing called "parrying and riposting" so you don't trade jack shit, you counter them and kill them.
>>335857547
>and raises poise (useless as of now)
Except it's not retard, poise weapon arts still work perfectly and they boost defense too. Try it sometime.
>>335857547
perseverance actually isn't useless, it works as intended
>>335857653
I thought poise was turned off?
does it still work then?
>>335857634
Or you trade hits because you can afford to. But please, keept trying to "parry and ripose" my 2-handed UGS attacks, it always makes my dick hard.
>>335857634
You're fucking retarded
huge ass health bars and heavy armor allows you to out tank your enemy by a long shot
>>335857653
>>335857694
Well kickass. I'm going to use it next time I pvp
>>335857725
Poise is turned off, but weapon art poise works separately from armor poise. Even if you turn poise on with a hack, using a weapon art that "increases poise" doesn't actually increase your poise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpQRlXJyPoA
Poise affects roll recovery times or something
>>335847978
STOP JUST STOP WITH THIS "YOU DO REALIZE RIGHT" CRAP PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DOING THIS
>>335857439
40VGR has been a standard in Souls games since DeS kiddo, but you can continue being a tryhard if it makes you feel superior. Just don't complain when you get 2 shotted when you try to parry a 2H greataxe or UGS like an idiot.
>>335857451
It's still very good, not as damaging as greataxes but it has a more versatile moveset and amazing range. The tracking is also insane.
>>335857871
Read the thread, it's actually equip load. They made the mistake of thinking it was poise because poise -> heavy armor -> equip load.
>>335857871
see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCiVg5HqWLg&feature=youtu.be
Correction video, all that shit was false! lol
The higher the equip load some how makes you stagger less it was never poise all along
>>335857852
explain
>>335857439
I love bad players that talk shit about stuff like this
Enjoy your 10 vig while I enjoy 2shotting you
>>335857725
It turns it on for a brief moment
>>335857972
40 vgr is for babbies. I beat bb, ds2 and ds3 with 30 and i felt like i was overleveled towards the end of the games.
>>335857973
>>335857992
Then it's literally just there and does nothing?
>>335858187
correct
Its a highly misleading stat right now because it actually did something in DS1 and DS2 but suddenly it doesn't so people are thinking "I get staggered a lot, lemme increase my vit and other stats to increase poise" when it was all false
>>335858015
Weapon arts like Stomp and Perseverance work exactly the way you'd think they would. They're completely separate from the poise stat. Essentially they just give you super armor for the duration of the move. Perseverance also gives you a defense bonus.
>>335857871
>post of a link with "READ THE DESCRIPTION!" in it
>doesn't actually read the description
You're clinically retarded man.
>>335856641
>everything after the Lordvessel is fucking horrible
I really hate this meme
>>335858296
You get teleported straight to Izalith and spend the rest of the game fisting dragon butts, sounds pretty cool to me.
>>335858286
It didn't have that description when I saw it, chill
>>335851313
Okay I don't even really care about this and that's a stupid fucking excuse.
In all fairness though what did you expect after it took a rerelease and 6 months to actually fix weapon durability in 2?
>People actually use heavy weapons and don't fast roll
Why are you even playing these games?
>>335858454
>6 months
it didn't get fixed until SOTFS came out
for a while From ignored it because they didn't care and then said "it is working as intended"
>>335858437
Lost Izalith is the only downright bad area and is easy as fuck to just run through
Remember that Fromsoft game that wasn't horribly balanced with at least one major flaw in the combat system?
Me neither
And this is my favorite series
>>335858170
I beat BB's chalice dungeons with a level 43 twink with less than 24VIT, you're not impressing anyone.
>he doesn't play with 3 clutch rings and Calamity ring with 10VGR naked while only using fists
ABSOLUTE casual kek.
>>335858446
It sure had it when you opened it before pasting it you tard
>>335857915
You do realize that they're not going to stop using "you do realize"?I fucking hate that phrase too.
>>335845785
Dodging everything and r1 spamming light weapons is way more ez mode than sacrificing weight and souls to level up stuff VIT just so you can wear heavy armor without fat rolling
Compare the stamina it takes to roll compared to blocking or swinging a big slow heavy weapon, it's clear which is the easiest option
>>335858695
And I realized after posting it. Calm your autism bro
>>335857756
okay, i parry people with my offhand cestus all the time, because you are dumb and think your big sword is unparryable
>>335857772
and you're bad, i've beaten every souls game except bloodborne (i'm not dumb enough to buy a console) and dark souls 3 (working on it) at SL1, completely naked, fists only (with a parrying buckler/dagger/etc in offhand)
if you need heavy armor and huge health then it just means you're not adept at avoiding taking damage.
>>335858628
It was a joke son, Duke's Archives is fucking cool, Tomb of the Giants had those god damn skeleton dogs, and Seath, Nito and Gwyn were cool bosses.
>>335853318
>parrying
literally even more babby mode than blocking
get good
>>335858847
>i parry people with my offhand cestus all the time, because you are dumb and think your big sword is unparryable
That's a funny thing to say because 2H ultra attacks are actually unparryable.
>>335858847
>and you're bad, i've beaten every souls game except bloodborne (i'm not dumb enough to buy a console) and dark souls 3 (working on it) at SL1, completely naked, fists only (with a parrying buckler/dagger/etc in offhand)
>make a good point
>ur bad because my anecdote therefore anything correct you said is null
>>335858916
you just keep digging that hole deeper
EVERY
MELEE
ATTACK
IS
PARRYABLE
Even kicks were fucking parryable until today's patch.
>>335858557
>mfw heavy weapons AND fastroll
>>335859041
>I use trainers and I'm proud of it
Fuck off.
>>335859029
Every attack that isn't a 2H ultra attack, yes.
Now hurry and launch the game so you can respec and unequip that poise you'd stacked because you thought that actually did something and were too dumb to look shit up online.
>>335858847
>because you are dumb and think your big sword is unparryable
Further showing how much of an uneducated retard you are. The only parryable attacks on Ultra weapons in 2H mode are rolling R1's and sprinting R1's.
Regular R1's, R2's, L1's and L2's aren't parryable.
>>335859161
>poise
do you not have the plugin that shows anonymous post id's or something? holy shit you are really new to 4chan
i am >>335858847 i don't wear armor because i don't need it. i don't get hit in these games.
>>335859029
>kicks aren't parryable anymore
>the type of attack which would leave you the most imbalanced and open to a counterattack
>can't be parried
>>335859239
Sure you don't, you totally don't wear armor and you totally didn't think poise actually did something. Just like you totally parried attacks that are hard coded to be unparryable.
>>335859029
>EVERY
>MELEE
>ATTACK
>IS
>PARRYABLE
Holy shit this guy who claims he's great in PVP actually doesn't know shit, how shocking it's like something I never would've expected from /v/.
>>335859029
Yeah man I bet you parry whips all the time. My dad works for Fromsoft so I would know.
>>335857424
>responds to a video of 4 people shitting on an enemy
>LUL THIS GAYM IS SO EZ
???
>>335859029
>>335858847
What the fuck are you talking about you stupid cunt, ultra weapons in two handed mode are immune to parry on their regular attacks. Only rolls and running can be parried. Holy fuck go embarrass yourself somewhere else.
>>335859118
or he wears noarmor
>>335859448
Tell your dad to get off his ass and make a new Armored Core game. 5 was shit.
>>335858847
>i'm not dumb enough to buy a console
>>335859361
i'm just gonna add your posts to this collage and filter you, there is no more discussion to be had here, only backpedaling and damage control when you got proved wrong.
i am really sorry that you get so mad when you discover someone is better at a video game than you. i sure hope you don't ever watch professional game streamers.
>>335859118
Are you serious?
>>335859691
Says the guy literally spouting lies that everyone knows are false
New thread before this one 404:
>>335859376
>>335859376
Okay it has already been said a couple times in this thread, but because some don't seem to get it, here's why poise would only HELP fast R1 spammers:
Lets say player 1 is an UGS user and player 2 is an estoc spammer.
Player 1 and 2 both stack poise, but because 1's weapon is considerably heavier, he can't stack as much and has less poise.
Both begin their swing and connect their first hit. Neither are staggered because of poise, and 2 takes more damage. However, in the time it takes 1 to get off his second attack, 2 can get off a couple more attacks, likely sliding the damage trade in his favor. Also likely, these hits are able overcome 1's lower poise and stagger, allowing 2 to get even more damage in or maybe even back off to heal the damage he has taken.
Poise added right now would only make the R1 spamming stronger.
>>335858847
>i'm not dumb enough to buy a console
Yet you're dumb enough to think 2H ultra basic attacks can be parried kek.
>>335860102
>responding to obvious trolls
Replace tripfags with trolls in this image and heed its advice, Anonymous.
