So did the game explain why he was even here or was this just blatant fan service? He wasn't even as good as he was in DaS1
>Greedy jew doesn't even sell anything
>The blacksmith in DS2 does
>>335798801FORGE I CAN'TDEAD I AM;_;
Time being weird and the lands converging or some shit. Who cares?
>>335799086
>>335798801
>So did the game explain
>Souls
>explain
lmao
>>335798801
Well he's undead and I assume he found enough purpose in smithing to not go hollow.
>>335798801
He is a illusion. Could be Smough.
>>335798801
Its either
1. Time collapsing in on itself or
2. Because there is an infinite number of people who need his services he always has purpose and cant go hollow
Time fuckery
André being needed as a smith, so he always has a purpose, thus never hollows
He's an illusion
Choose your poison, or wait for lorefags to "figure it out"
DLC 1 will go more into why Andre is there.
>>335798801
Dude time is convoluted! Lands converging! It's a cycle! LMAO
Dark Souls 1 literally had stone Andre that you find coal on.
explain that dingus.
>>335798801
Hes actually Gwyns first born
Also Solaire is his mother
>>335801186
DS1 was perfect so it doesn't count
>>335801249
>DS1 was perfect
>>335801186
illusion smoughs
>>335798801
Why are you searching for explanations? You don't need to understand the situation, you just need to explore the world and form your own idea of what's happening.
>>335801351
Headcanon isn't welcome here.Big Shell is VR
>>335801186
Seath was tasked with recreating the first born so that Gwyn wouldn't have to tell people that his son was a traitor.
These statues are Seaths first attempts before Andre.
>>335798801
bloodborne was the only souls game that actually tried to explain something.
>Finish run
>Commence Operation:kill all NPC's for their shit
>Attack Andre
>He doesn't go all Rocky on me like in DaS1
>He doesn't do dropkicks like in DaS1
>He just takes it like a bitch
Lame.
>>335801590
>son leaves the house
>better clone him so nobody finds out using forbidden magic which will probably create abominations and fuck ecology
Gwyn really was a piece of shit
Why is Andre the only one who opens his mouth when he speaks?
>>335801590
but Solaire is Gwyns first borne???????
>>335798801
He's immortal.
>>335801590
This, Andre and all other blacksmiths in ds1 to an extent are hephaestus, the smith of the gods in greek myth, one of zeus' sons, a cripple who forged the weapons of the gods in particular zeus' lightning bolts, an ammo which giant blacksmith sells. Seath could have been using dragon magics to take the giant's smithing abilities and fuse them with humanity to create more smiths, and andre (s) are the result.
Rickhart is just macguyver in a cage however
>>335801978
Anon, I...I've got some bad news
>>335801978
Solaire was Gwyn.
He was just looking for his son.
No way he was going to leave his kingdom in charge with a BLACKED titcow or the freak trap.
>>335801978
But everyone knows thats wrong at this point.
>>335800860
He drops no souls
Dancer is Ciaran
They both used twin curve blades and one was dark and the other was flashy.
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
I also have more proof
Armor
>transformed the Dancer into a beastly creature, her gauntlets fusing with her own hide
She gives you her weapons back in oolacile saying she no longer needs them. So she retired right? but what happens to all hunters at their end? they become beasts a lot like the dancer.
>b-but, if she gave you her weapons why does dancer have swords
Back in DS1 the perfect master piece, if you attack her after she gives you her weapons, she pulls out another pair. This shows that she was also losing her mind and succumbing to beasthood because she thought she had given you all her weapons.
Dancer is Ciaran proven
>>335800660
>>335799209
>time is convoluted
To pull that card is better to not even respond.
>>335803106
nope, Dancer is confirmed to be a tranny, like Gwyndolin.
>>335803353
Aldrich actually consumed an illusory Gwyndolin and the dancer is a illusion of gwyndolin as well.
Real Gwyndolin is the firekeeper
>>335803353
source.
>>335803560
Real Gwyndolin got killed by the chosen undead.
Aldrich ate the remains, same with Nito and Priscilla.
The chosen undead basically created Aldrich, without him/her, Aldrich could never gained that kind of power.
Dancer is a handmaiden with a penis tucked.
She is unrelated to Ciaran and Gwyndolin.
The firekeeper is Ocelotte.
![180[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iaVO8LW.jpg "180[1].jpg")
>>335803763
Revolver Ocelot?
>>335803763
Priscilla is confirmed not eaten. Read the description for the lifehunt scythe. There is no real evidence for Nito being eaten and it doesnt make sense considering he literally died and got reincarnated and died again. Chosen Undead simply didn't fight (considering it's an optional fight) or didn't kill Gwyndolin.
>>335803106
Fuck off, she is related to Gwynevere, this much is pretty much confirmed.
>Soul can be turned into one of the Princess of Sunlight miracles
>Garb is described as being from royalty
>Her dance is described as "exotic" meaning its not usual stuff you see in Londran
>She is huge in size
She can't be Ciaran, unless you're gonna tell me she traveled to somewhere far from Londran, learned exotic dance moves, tripled her size, infused herself with Gwynevere's DNA, and then traveled back to become the Pontiff's pawn against Anor Londo.
>>335804076
>There is no real evidence for Nito being eaten
besides Aldrich using his weapon much like the others they consumed?
>>335801918
because he doesn't want to to see ye work squandered he he he he he he
>>335803106
but dancer is ornstein.
>>335800518
>>335800660
>>335800860
thats what i figured at least
>>335804153
>implying that Ciaran didn't learn sexy exotic dance moves for Artorias
>>335804193
I'm amazed to how people can skip simple logic.
Nito is necessary for the fire Linking. He's dead, double dead. Worthless to debate this anyway.
>>335803763
Aldrich only ate Gwyndolin after he reincarnated.
During his normal lifetime, he only used to eat good looking young children, not gods.
Then he became a Lord of Cinder, was reincarnated, and said fuck it, I'm going to devour the gods.
>>335804153
maybe she was Gwyndolin's dance instructor that traveled from "The East" to make Gwyndolin act more feminine and seduce a suitor.
Maybe Shiva of the east was her bodyguard but they got seperated on the way, so he took to defending the forest in the absence of his companion.
Maybe that's why the giant mushroom men from that forest are found dead in that swamp, because Shiva was helping to protect him and without his help they strayed into hostile territory.
Maybe that's why there are giant crabs in the swamp, they migrated there from ash lake to eat the mushrooms.
Maybe that's why there are still dragons alive in Lothric, without the crabs to keep him imprisoned the Everlasting dragon was able to escape and give birth to many more dragons.
>>335801978
Nameless King is Gwyn's First Born, do you even read item descriptions? Jesus christ kys.
>>335804761
but those are wyvern WYVERN
>>335804458
Why is Nito necessary for the ritual? The game tells use we need to lords of cinder, Lothric, Abyss Watchers (Wolf Blood), Yhorm, Ludreth and Aldrich.
Nito had a powerful soul, but it was already used in DS1 to open the path for the Kiln of the First Flame, he is gone now, there is no body for Aldrich to eat.
While Gwyndolin was an optional bossfight, and possibly an illusion, taking into account that even Smough, a mandatory bossfight, survived the events of DS1 and only died when the Pontiff and Aldrich attacked Anor Londo.
How come everyone is so blatantly dumb?
Unkindled people get revived from their graves.
Andre got revived.
/thread
>>335798801
Shrine is a sham, it's fake. Firekeeper is fake, Andre is fake. If you kill they they will come back. It's Hunter Dream all over again.
>>335804901
>have to use path of the DRAGON to get to the ancient wyvern
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>335803086
He can't be killed. He infinitely respawns, just like the fire keeper and the shrine maiden.
If Unkindled is supposed to be an even more pathetic kind of undead, why is he safe from hollowing unless he provokes it himself?
>>335798801
>So did the game explain why he was even here or was this just blatant fan service?
the unkindled are coming back from the dead
this is explained in the opening cutscene
>>335804968
Oh shit that explains why all those people are randomly alive again.
Like Creighton, Kirk, Patches and so on.
I don't know why I didn't think of this.
>>335798801
the Souls games have no "narrative", so why bother explaining anything?
>>335805071
>>335805219
Yes, if people went into a killing spree in the shrine they would notice that those guys are bound to it.
Andre, the Fire keeper and the Handmaiden are there to assist the Unkindled, Andre still has his memories since he knew who the Giant Smith was, but he is still stuck there like an illusion or whatever, because of his skills as a smith.
>>335804789
>Befriends dragons
So thats why Gwyn kicked him out?
>>335805345
Unkindled aren't a "worse" undead, they're literally a pile of reanimated ash. You fucking bleed ash. You're a walking pile of ash thats been sculpted into the shape of a person and given a soul.
>>335801978
Solaire was Gwyns wifes son
>>335805481
So unkindled are like this game's Chaos demons then? Just a pile of animated ash?
>>335805345
Unkindled are more pathetic kind of undead not because they are weaker or something, but because they cant link the fire (unfit even to be cinder)
>>335805473
Yes. Gwyn was trying to wipe out the dragons, NK got a bit sympathetic for them and got kicked out as a result.
>>335805345
That's just what Hawkwood thinks because he's a bitch.
is it safe to assume the abyss watchers are all children of Gwyn?
>>335804968
>>335805363
This
People on 4chan can be legitimately retarded sometimes
>>335805750
Not even remotely
>>335805806
oh
whose sons are they then?
Is there a SINGLE npc that has a fucking good end in this game, JESUS christ
Greirat - Dies trying to pillage the castle
Anri - Either gets assasinated by a pilgrim and then you stab her dead body in the head, or she goes hollow after killing Aldrich
Horace - Randomly goes hollow
Hawkwood - finally finds his purpose, gets killed by the unkindled one
There are others
>>335803763
dancer is the daughter of the irithyll royal family who was turned into a sex slave by the pontiff when the church took over and ruined everything
dancer... had a hard life
>>335804968
>link the flame
>the curse goes away
>undead actually die
are you fucking retarded?
>>335805481
>You fucking bleed ash.
HUH so thasts why blood splats looks all retarded. And there I was thinking its Fromsoftware being extremely lazy while coding
>>335805595
More like the jewish mith of Golems, clay monsters made by sorcerers given life by flame. Funnily enough they fit the player character very well, as they are created to perform tasks which theybdo unquestionably, but folklore has them occasionally rebel/ act maliciously (seizing the flame)
>>335805615
Need a picture of kid Nameless King playing with dragon toys and Gwyn looking on disappointed
>>335805860
The priestess has a good end as a firekeeper senpai.
>>335801978
Solaire is just a random nutcrack who thought of Gwyn as a great hero who can do no wrong.
He wanted to do the exact same thing Gwyn did and find his own sun, but then unless we step in he despairs and takes the closest replacement to it, a sunlight maggot.
Little he knew that Gwyn was actually a self serving coward, and everything Gwyn did was for himself alone, all those humans worshiping him were just there for him to feel really good about himself and what he did, which was basically genocide against the everlasting dragons and completely fucking over the world's natural order for his own selfish desires.
>>335805836
my wifes
>>335805860
Siegward had a happy ending if you ask me.
>>335798801
He's undead so he probably just never went hollow.
Same with Patches, I guess
>>335801442
>big shell is vr
I hate people who genuinely believe this. They didn't understand the plot at all and take the word simulation to mean computer world.
>>335805860
Pyro bro
Karla
Uhh
Orbeck if you dont buy all his spells or kill him for Yuria
Grierat if you give lorettas bone to snuggly for lucatiels hat, he never offers to pillage just stays bored
The carim nun can become a fire keeper over in the left tower if you buy all good miracles from her and no hexes
is Hawkwood Gwyn's son?
>>335806467
>Orbeck if you dont buy all his spells
Wait
What happens if you buy all his spells?
Does he actually try to take over as lord of hollows or something
>>335805860
Anri is shown in the hidden ending
>>335803324
Who gives a shit it's always been left open to you just inserting your own storyline
>>335798801
Ubdead don't hollow unless they lose purpose. He still has purpose. There.
>>335806530
No
Andre is though
>>335806530
no hes an illusion obviously
>>335806553
He goes hollow in the archives after calling you a good friend
>>335805934
Not undead, UNKINDLED.
Andre was sad but not surprised at all that the Giant Smith died, because he had surely died himself, before being revived as an ASHEN ONE, like our character and the other unkindled, to help the ritual to redo the first flame.
The same happened to many others, but since the unkindled can do whatever it takes to gather the lords, then people like Patches, Cleighton, Kirk and Alva, who were also revived, will try to screw us over and take our embers.
Miyazaki changed his mind about DaS1's blacksmith statues having no lore significance; they all share Andre's consciousness and thaw out when necessary
>Andre hasn't gone hollow because he has his purpose in smithing
>if he stops smithing or doing smithing related business for too long he goes hollow immediately
>this is why he doesn't fight back if you attack him, because he's been alive for so long that he knows he'll go hollow if he's distracted for even a few seconds
DEEPEST
LORE
>>335804153
>Londran
>>335806792
L O N D O N
>>335799086
>>335806153
>If you love those dragons so much why dont you go live with them?
>MAYBE I WILL DAD, MAYBE I'LL GO LIVE WITH THE DRAGONS
>>335805860
Cornyx and Karla
>>335806226
Sounds like every conqueror in factual and fictional history
>>335806787
>he has been pounding on that estoc for several dozens of cycles
>each cycle is like 300-1000 years, according to Straid
Well that explains how that weapon ended up being so god damn good.
Our true mentor.
Our poking moonlight.
>>335806632
He can't be alive since DS1, the flame was kindled at least once since then, so his brand would have vanished and he would have died.
Go to your game right now, and kill Andre, he won't fight back, and he will be back when you come back to the Shrine.
So I wouldn't even call him an unkindled, because unlike other unkindled, he cannot die. He, like the Fire Keeper, is someone who was bound to the Shrine to help the Unkindled ones fulfill their duties.
>>335803353
>The Pontiff Sulyvahn bestowed a double-slashing sword upon a distant daughter of the formal royal family, ordering her to serve first as a dancer, and then as an outrider knight, the equivalent to exile.
>>335806762
Who/what is ringing the bell anyhow? Obviously with kirk and co involved its hedging its bets with regards to linking the flames - not all the parts have to play together as long as someone gets the job done.
It seems too deliberate an act of desperation to be chalked up to time fluidoity or whatever the new buzzword for its magic is
Is the only bell we see in firelink?
Horace the Hushed is the LAMEST NIGGA OUT
Like his purpose is killing the monster that fucking ate all his childhood friends
But the second he falls down a hole and gets lost, he fucking goes hollow
What a little bitch, what an absolute shitter
>>335807225
>anri leaves a prism stone where he died
;_;7
>>335806958
And so his reign as a God lasted longer than his father, as we was worshiped as a God of War by many religions over the countless cycles.
He was called "Faraam" by the Forossa Lion Knights. I highly doubt that is his real name though.
>>335807305
Anri leaves a prism stone in quite a few places, for some reason.
>>335798801
Give me one good reason why you believe he shouldn't be there.
>>335803106
Gold & Silver Tracer is a separate weapon in the game files.
They were cut probably because the concept was too similar to dancer's blades, but they have a separate moveset and item description.
>>335804153
>She is huge in size
All outrider knights are giant beasts, its one of the effects of Pontiff's Eye.
>>335803763
>Real Gwyndolin got killed by the chosen undead.
>Aldrich ate the remains
You can clearly hear Gwyndolin's part of Aldrich moan and wail during the bossfight, just turn down the music. He's still alive, although in complete control.
>>335807106
Pontiff is a dick.
>Yorshka doesn't even know about what happened to boipucci
>>335807489
She said the two of them agree'd to leave prism stones around the place if they ever got separated. Whenever you see a prism stone just lying about, its because Anri is trying to find her old friend.She never will though ;_;
>>335807568
>old friend
they are both brother/sitser whatever gender your PC is.
>>335807225
>Doesn't talk
>Could have been hollowing the whole time
>Only reason he didn't full hollow was Anri being with him
>>335807225
He was just being cucked hard by that slut, so he couldn't handle it anymore.
>>335801249
DaS1 is a pile of shit idalized by NeoGAF children.
Kill yourself, honestly.
>>335805860
Patches.
>>335807542
Almost everything bad that happens in this game is related to Pontiff Sulyvahn.
I would even argue that the Queen's sudden disappearance was his doing as well.
My own interpretation is that Rosaria is actually the Queen, but after giving birth to Lorian, she lost her ability to speak because of the fuckery involved into making him an ideal lord of cinder, and after giving birth to Lothric, another failure, she was kidnapped by the Pontiff while pregnant of Ocelotte and trapped inside the cathedral.
Ocelotte would be her "child" then.
>>335805590
underrated post
Are the Deacons hollows?
>>335799086
>>335807225
Different objectives:
Anri purpose was to take revenge on Aldrich.
Horace purpose was to protect Anri.
Because they got split up, he couldn't protect s/he anymore and hollowed.
So is Oceiros confirmed to actually be the King of Lothric? Or is he just some rando?
>>335807106
She could be the daughter of Gwynevere and Flann.
Don't forget Flann is royalty too. And that would also explain the "distant" part in the description.
>>335801742
>takes it like a bitch
>implying
Nigga he doesn't give a single shit and keeps working on that sword
>>335798801
I thought it was to show that there are different worlds converging, and that Andre was special, being able to survive all those cycles. Not so much fanservice as " Well this is firelink, and this is DEFINITELY firelink. This world is getting jumbled together more and more" Emphasized again by Anor Londo as an area.
>>335805130
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
>>335808332
Illusions. They don't drop souls and respawn indefinitely. Only the head deacon is real.
>>335808404
Hes in the consumed kings gardens, his ring talks about the kings dragon hide repelling waves of assassins, hes the king.
>>335808615
He is special in the way that he is stuck to the Shrine to help the unkindled do their mission with his smith skills.
Nothing to do with worlds converging, he was revived and brought there by the bell ringing.
Want proof? Kill him right now, don't worry, just do it.
Why is kirk such a traitorous waifufag?
>spend life serving spidertits
>you die
>she dies while you're dead
>get revived
>find some new bitch to serve
>>335798801
Well you saw that the world is getting all fucked up, cf last boss area and last boss himself.
>>335808827
Kirk just likes a nice pair of tits.
>>335808827
What if Rosaria is the Fair Lady? The dead spider body doesn't have a human torso on it, and Rosaria has a tumor thing for an ass.
>>335808827
he does it for the thrill of the kill
>>335808332
So the Hollowslayer Greatsword won't do extra dmg against them?
>>335809037
> Rosaria has a tumor thing for an ass.
Rosaria have a feet.
The tumor is something else.
Why are people retardedly jumping off the cliff here?
>mfw I go to NG+
>mfw only 10% buff stats
they all still fall so quick
>>335809146
Oh, nevermind then.
>>335809037
She can't be, fair lady wasn't a maiden of Gwynevere. Rosaria is just someone that Seathe missed and didn't turn into a piscodaemon thing.
Also the tumor grub thing is likely her child, she has a cot next to her bed and like 20 of them hanging from the roof.
>>335809193
Because from did a poor job of showing death drops in a couple areas.Holy shit only just noticing how bad the background is
>hosting at pontiff
>summon some havel looking motherfucker with a FUGS
>clip him twice before someone else I summoned pops in
>he quits fighting, cocky bugger thinks he'd beat me and leave the other guy without a fight
>get up on the rafters
>hop off and kill him with a drop attack when they're both at half
>summon some turbofag with juiced up ornie's axe
>he gets a combo on me, I'm one hit from death
>catch him in the BKG wombo combo
>both as low
>he spergs out and heals
>walk in an out of his attack range and poke him every now and then
>goes through all his estus in 2 minutes without touching me
>black crystals out
>>335809081
Can someone answer this
>>335798801
Well if he's undead maybe he just... Hasn't died this whole time. Dude was never a super important character, he could have just smithed for people over the ages not going hollow cause nigga love to smith. Does there have to be a big lore reason? It's like with Solaire. He was just some crazy guy with a big heart.
>>335809328
>Leave "Could this be a hidden path?" everywhere.
>Rake in negative appraisals.
>>335809417
Not fight club related but
>Get invaded by two aldrich lovers during ng+
>Surprise surprise, they both use straight swords with resin buffs
>Fight them off until we're all out of estus
>Two trying to coordinate
>Dodge, cut one down, bait the other one into a poor move
>Swing, I catch him
>Swing, he's under a third health
>Swing one last time
>Chaos blade takes the last of my health
>I die, he survives with a magic pixel of health
Frustratingly close.
>>335810047
>katana shitter
>complaining about straight swords
at least use the DUAL-WIELD katanas if you're gonna be a weeb
>>335807225
Horace just wants to grunt in peace but some fucking whore he has to look after won't leave him the FUCK alone. He's nearly going hollow when you first meet him.
I have a feeling Horace is retarded.
>can't speak outside of grunts
>just tries to help Anri
>can do nothing but follow her around with her prism stones
>fights with a halberd
>>335806762
>Patches the Unbreakable
Kinda makes more sense now. Even death won't break Patches.
...What bells are you guys talking about?
>>335810193
>Horace the hushed
Pretty sure he lost his voice, m8.
Man I can't fucking figure out this hyper armour system. I've taken a BKGA to the face without flinching using the BKG, and someone with a curved greatsword just shrugged off a 2-handed jumping attack. Why the fuck can I tank a BKGA when I'm using a damn halberd.
>>335810193
Aldrich only likes little boys like a good Catholic would. Horace is hushed because he still has that god D on his lips.
![pale_tongue[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/WZsQu6b.png "pale_tongue[1].png")
>>335811076
He probably lost his tongue defending Anri from an invader.
>>335810730
The fire fades, and the lords go without thrones. When the link of fire is threatened, the bell tolls, unearthing the old lords of cinder from their graves.
>>335803763
>The firekeeper is Ocelotte.
But ocelot is a boy
>>335812123
It`s a trap.
