Mark Kern to Blizzard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60CXk503QsQ
The HYPE is real.
Vanilla - TBC - WotLK are the classic trilogy; a master piece of the MMORPG genre. Classic WoW is an integral part of video game history, and Blizzard's magnum opus. Millions of video game connoisseurs will flood back to WoW with the announcement of Legacy Servers. Make it happen Blizzard.
>Make Azeroth Great Again
Is this the MAGA thread?
>>335751845
Official unofficial Legacy server thread. This is the mega-thread.
>>335751370
DELETE THIS
>>335752015
lok'tar ogar to you too, brother.
>>335751370
>We regularly see requests for us to open classic pre-TBC realms, or vanilla realms if you prefer, and lately we have also seen requests for pre-WotLK realms and even pre-Cataclysm realms. We have answered requests like these before saying that we have no plans to open such realms, and this is very much still the case today.
>We realize that some of you feel that World of Warcraft was more fun in the past than it is today, and we also know that some of you would like nothing more than to go back and play the game as it was back then. The developers however prefer to see the game continuously evolve and progress, and as such we have no plans to open classic realms or limited expansion content realms.
This was recently posted on the blizz forums
>>335752485
That's such a retarded argument though. Having a handful of Vanilla servers wouldn't affect their capacity to continue to 'evolve and progress' current WoW beyond having to do some extra server maintenance. They're acting like there can be only current WoW or classic WoW.
>>335752485
I'll just come out and say it. It's a 12 year old game, it's on the decline. There isn't much life left in WoW going forward.
Blizzard have this idea in their heads that WoW is still full of life, and that just isn't true. Instead of working for expansions for a game whose best years are definitively behind it, they should just work on releasing a WoW II.
The time has come for Legacy Servers. I don't know who blizzard think they're fooling that WoW isn't in terminal decline.
>>335752898
>They're acting like there can be only current WoW or classic WoW.
Probably because they look at their playerbase as either preferring one or the other and they fear too many will prefer classic
world of war craft should die already. I dont believe people actually care to replay the same old vanilla bullshit game over and over again.
Get real, anons.
I hated vanilla. It was only good if you played certain classes and specs
I agree though that the community and RPG feel was better back then
I really only want to do AQ40 when its actually a challenge. Either they make challenge modes for ALL classic content or they can fuck off imo.
>>335753252
Vanilla WoW hasn't been legal to play for 8 years. I don't know about you, but when I haven't played a game for a few years, replaying it feels fresh.
Most people who will play on Legacy servers haven't had their hands on Vanilla for years, and there will also be people playing Vanilla and WoW for the first time.
>>335753198
They shouldn't be looking at their fanbase alone.
I've never played WoW, or any other Blizzard game. But I'd try out Vanilla servers, in part so I could see what made the damn game so popular to begin with.
>>335752485
In other words Blizzard is putting their own desires over want the Consumers want.
Man I am never spending a cent of New WoW ever.
>>335751370
>wotlk
>classic
>good
I love this revisionist history.
Wrath is when WoW began to become irrepairibly bad.
>>335753252
Sexiest color of a woman
The retail playerbase is beyond saving.
A comment like this, an objectively correct comment, gets downvoted because people need to be babied
and Blizzard would do it again on legacy servers when enough tears are shed
>>335754091
I entirely agree. It was patch 3.3.0 though. Pre-RDF WotLK is still part of the Classic WoW era.
I would gladly consider WotLK without RDF to still be in the Classic era of WoW as opposed to the current baby-mode version.
>>335754557
>Pre RDF was the best part
nope. kill yourself wrathbaby
>braindead raids at launch
>10m baby mode added
>welfare epics became welfare tier
>huge step down in heroic difficulty
wrath was god awful
>>335754557
3.0 destroyed Naxx and numerous aspects of the world permanently.
It ain't no classic wow.
I respect your opinion though.
>>335754091
Look at me everyone! I quit at BC!
>>335754728
>Look at me! I'm retarded!
I'm sorry.
>>335754557
wotk had ulduar and thats about it.
death knights finished off the corpse of arena after ret paladins had their way with it
>>335754662
>>335754671
This is just my opinion. The general consensus is that Vanilla, TBC and WotLK are all worth going back to.
>you think you do but you dont
>>335752485
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
>>335752485
>This was recently posted on the blizz forums
>posted recently
>2011
Return of the WotLK Scourge event: Legion edition
Enjoy your shitass old and stale content, nostfags, I'll be ruining peoples day as a dreadlord
>>335755342
>>335752485
Blizzard hasn't made a statement on Legacy servers since April 26 (the one where they broach the idea of Pristine servers).
WoW should die so Koreans can make good and original homemade MMOS again.
I would play on MoP servers.
Fucking anything that's before ability pruning. This babby mode casualized shit with 3 button classes is easily the worst downgrade ever done to any single game.
>>335756030
What else can they say? They aren't going to do it.
>>335752898
>Having a handful of Vanilla servers wouldn't affect their capacity to continue to 'evolve and progress' current WoW beyond having to do some extra server maintenance.
They would also have to have a dedicated tech support team for those legacy servers. Keep in mind that vanilla WoW was made for Windows XP machines and was 32-bit. People new to WoW may not understand why vanilla WoW doesn't work right with their computers.
>>335756246
>Keep hearing that MoP is the hidden gem of WoW
>Feel kind of bad that I potentially missed WoW's swan song
>Get over the feeling when I remember how shit that entire expansion theme was
I just can't get over how thoroughly uninteresting Pandaria was
>>335755058
What does that chart look like if you add WoD?
>>335756896
It had 3 VERY solid raid tiers.
Each tier had plenty of bosses (12-16), with some fairly good and interesting mechanics.
Probably the only expansion that didn't have any shit raids. Besides SoO being too long, but that's usual.
From a raider's point of view, MoP was one of the best expansions.
>>335756998
The chart is actually correct until the 5 million point, that's the last reported number.
>>335757338
I don't believe you.
>>335755817
>ill be ruining peoples day as a dreadlord
except for the "you can just remove the debuff" and I bet that you cant even kill players on PvE servers
Man, I miss WoW back in the day.
Back then the internet was much smaller. It seemed a vast majority of the internet back then played it.
And I viewed the game as almost like a containment for all the shitters of the internet.
I'm glad I never played WoW itself.
Long live Ragnarok Online.
>>335756246
I'm late to the new expansions. What do you mean by ability pruning and 3 button classes?
>>335755817
>I'll be ruining peoples day as a dreadlord
>literally only three other people in view
>in Org
>>335754662
Mfw all of nost was on welfare (neet) yet complained of welfare epics
>>335754557
WotLK could have been so fucking perfect. It had stellar music, the best lore, the best zones, the best art work, the best athmosphere, the best mechanics (complex and creative without being overdesigned clusterfucks with 30 boss abilities like Pandaria and WoD) and I'd argue some of the best questing with involved story lines while not being as completely linear as the Cata stuff.
If ONLY they had kept a TBC-level of challenge and layered raid progression with a bit of patch gated catch-up slots that still incentivized you to run old raids for drops and not done the fucking 3.3 LFG bullshit it could have legitimately been the best expansion ever. But instead it ended up being that expansion that everybody now associates with the beginning decay of WoW.
>>335756998
>>335757417
Well, there was a big spike before Warlords came out but it came crashing down hard after that.
>>335762570
that's the alpha server
>>335751370
>>335762634
nice projection
>>335751370
>been playing P99 since 2009
>classic as fuck-ish kinda maybe everquest
>about 7 years of free gaming
>Sony sells of SoE
>fear the worst
>DayBreak studios is cool as fuck with P99
>P99 delays an expansion for a year or so because DayBreak was releasing another timed content server
>see lots of nost threads
>kinda feel bad for them
>meanwhile going back to raiding velious
>then sitting in permafrost on my perma level 52 cleric with friends waiting for lady vox
>bantz all night long
>most folks have dual monitors and there are always cliques of FPS, fighting game or team valve games in the backround
>suddenly hear a ping from voice chat
>instantly its fun and games to "its time to slay the dragon"
My heart goes out to you, noststies because Blizzard is going to monkeypaw the fuck out of your legacy server
>>335751370
>>335764438
> made that people want to play non-baby mode WoW
Stay mad, WoD babies.
>Start vanilla, BC, Wrath legacy servers
>Let them run their patch cycles
>Reset every 2-3 years and start fresh
>Keep characters with Diablo 3's season rebirth technology, you just reset your char to level 1 with starting level gear
ITS SO FUCKING SIMPLE IT HURTS TO THINK ABOUT.
The only reason they won't do it is because it would hurt the WoW "brand" but the game is so fucked right now that they're actually LOSING money leaving this shit on the table.
>>335767479
>lets kill off peoples characters regularly
yeah but like.. no.
>>335752485
>The developers however
I feel like this is code word for Activision
Why did they even sell themselves to them, I do not know. Blizzard is quite popular especially in the 2000s
>>335767757
There was a chart that I can't find anymore, but the first server when it finishes its content cycle will be the permanent server, then from then on you open a seasonal server that has the progressive content release cycle, and when the content cycle ends, let players relocate their character to the permanent server, and the seasonal server is reset again.
>>335767479
>I want to play some legacy server.
>oh it resets in 6 months? I'll just not.
You're a business genius, guide me through life please.
>>335768113
its already too confusing/unneeded
>>335768304
It's 2 servers per expansion. How is it too complicated?
That's 6 servers. Vanilla - permanent, TBC - permanent, WotLK - permanent, Vanilla - seasonal, TBC - seasonal, WotLK - seasonal. If you're on a seasonal server, once the content cycle is done, be sure to transfer your character to the permanent server or it gets wiped.
Simple.
>>335768152
>2 years is suddenly the same as 6 months
It's fucking WoW and its the only way it'll work, the servers will be a ghost town if it stopped at just 1.12 and stayed that way. You have to make it like Diablo 2, it's the only way it'll work.
>>335751370
Good old Mark "I havent made a game in years and everything i touch has turned to shit" Kern.
>>335757338
Oh come on now, wotlk raids are supreme in every way and Ulduar is plain fucking legendary.
>>335751370
These threads just have to be bait threads at this point. People can't honestly be this delusional.
>>335768538
You are overcomplicated this whole thing just for the sake of it and you are forgetting the whole every region would like their own legacy stuff.
Start with Vanilla for every region and see how things go from there.
>>335768886
They are.
>>335756896
For me, MoP was mostly shit.
>Promise of returning to Alliance vs Horde conflict
>Two or three short quest lines in Jade Forest that involve AvH. The rest is boring shit
>Reach Valley of the Four Winds. Hooray for Farming Simulators! Where's the plot?
>Go to Krasarang Wilds. Oh, we may have confli- nope, just a couple of dads losing their kids. Lots of boring panda story here again, and a little fun with Anduin.
>Head up to the Kun-lai area. Oh, we may have some Alliance vs Horde now! Nope, just a few mentions of each other. More panda crying here.
>Towlong Steppes; finally see something fresh, but it's STILL FUCKING PANDAS.
>Dread Wastes; finally a good zone. The bugs don't give a shit about you, you help them fix their problems, and you get to have some fun. Only took eight levels of wasted time to get here.
>First raid; MSV. SHUT THE FUCK UP, CHEN
>Second raid; Heart of Fear. Genuinely interesting, but short.
>Third raid; ToeS. That happened.
>Content patch; Isle of Thunder. FINALLY some AvH conte- nope, just stupid dailies and trolls.
>Fourth raid; Throne of Thunder. Objectively the best thing from the expansion. This was insanely fun.
>New patch, Vale gets blown up. Anduin gets de-boned. Wrathion goes full retard. Timeless Grind Isle.
>Final raid; SoO. Alright, finally some Alliance + Horde...vs Horde? Wait, we're helping the Horde stop the Horde?
>Go to execute Garrosh. Taran Zhu interrupts; MUH PEOPLE WERE HURT MORE, disregarding everything Garrosh did to fuck up MULTIPLE races' families, lives, and lands.
MoP was so bad. Pandaren were the worst race added to the game, on the sole notion that they were NOT able to be taken seriously. Not a damn thing about them was serious. Secret Ninja Service, drunk wanderers, dumb farmers, and an obnoxious little girl who is a meme for Heroes of the Storm. Personal bias here, but the art aesthetic for the Pandaren does not belong in WoW, where everyone looks either like cavemen or monsters.
That is all.
>>335751370
>Vanilla - TBC - WotLK
no no no
I was never a pure vanilla fag but I loved tbc and wotlk
cata was when I jumped off.
I don't think I can control myself and not resub if they do that.
>>335769073
>literally every single complaint is related to the story not being wholly focused on the horde and alliance conflict
This is why I can't take these threads seriously. Every single person makes one minor thing suddenly a game destroying nightmare.
>>335751370
>People forgot videos such as roguecraft, a video which blatantly reveals how broken the game was in terms of balance.
>People think standing around Org for 3 hours yelling LFG is "an immersive social experience"
Yea, I had some good experiences in vanilla, but then I remember playing a mage and dieing to 2 npcs at a time, being one shotted by rogues and drinking for a whole minute after every fight.
>>335768538
Are you forgetting the different regions as well? What you are suggesting isn't simple in the slightest, that's a Fuck ton of time and effort for probably a shit amount of money. Wether you like it or not is a business and what you suggest isn't any good especially when you compare that against how much money hearthstone makes for very little effort
>>335769438
>dieing
This site has an in-built spellchecker, at least try when you're shitposting.
>3 hours waiting for a group
How does it feel to be an autistic retard with the social ability of a paraplegic swede?
>>335769293
Sorry anon, but when someone says "this will focus on that", but ends up focusing on something entirely different until the very last content patch for that expansion, it's bad.
Everything about the quests in that game were about understanding, working for peace, balance, and so on. Hell, there was even a quest where you had to sit still while that one nobody kept punching you and banging a gong in your face. That was stupid as all fuck. Everything was a distraction from the story, save for a few scattered quests here and there.
Vanilla while fun would be difficult to go back to now that everyones used to braindead mode.
Remember when warriors thunderclap only hit 4 targets and aoe tanking was just a mess.
Remember when no one wanted anything but warriors as a main tank
Remember when no one wanted you unless you were a holy priest
Remember when no one wanted you in their guild unless you were a dwarf priest
Remember when you would take 5 minutes to kill a mob 5 levels lower than you as holy or protection type specs
I never played on the private servers but I really hope that this stuff gets handled a bit better.
>>335769623
They had the horde versus alliance conflict as a consistent theme. It was literally the entire point of the expac. I'm sorry it wasn't focused on enough for you, but it was easily there. The fact that it was the thing you cared the most about is a special kind of ridiculous.
>>335769538
LFG will obviously take much longer if you're certain classes or roles
>>335769438
that and some dungeons like brd taking 2-3 hours to do a run of.
Ive only ever seen the end of that dungeon thanks to them splitting it up into a few parts with the lfg tool
>>335769763
>everyones used to braindead mode
Forgetting about the people who would come back? Plus the whole idea of a casual filter is what people really want. If thats the only server with no dungeon finder and you suck or are a dick, it will get around.
>Remember when warriors thunderclap only hit 4 targets and aoe tanking was just a mess.
You just complained about people being braindead a second ago, trash clearing meant something with CC and watching agro
>Remember when no one wanted you unless you were a holy priest
This was not a bad thing. Disc was more for pvp
>Remember when no one wanted you in their guild unless you were a dwarf priest
Got a problem with dwarves, do yeh?
>5 minutes
maybe a minute or two, 5 minutes no way. plus those dedicated to that spec would have alts do the farming for them. I know I personally had a mine/herb rogue for shit like that
>I never played on the private servers
fuck I typed all this out and you were memeing all along, ya bel aired me brah
>>335768641
I'm sayin if after 1.5 years somone wants to join in, they'd have to wait until it resets if they don't want their time wasted like that. Diablo character levels and gear are nothing compared to vanilla wow characters. Deleting characters is a harsh thing.
One way to alleviate that problem is to have servers at different parts of the cycles so someone new could get a full 3 years out of a character or close to it.
>>335770525
yes i agree on getting better cc and controlling aggro but there are a few things they could tidy up like adding dual specs and shit as the game really needed them back then.
>>335761276
WoD removed tons of abilities from most class specs and it looks like Legion is taking it even farther. For some reason Blizzard thinks that people want fewer abilities and static 3-4 button rotations.
>>335770863
Maybe the valve playtester also playtest for blizzard.
The whole Industry probably needs to rethink their playtesting process.
What the hell was this meant to mean? Why did they even bring up Pristine servers?
Did they think the rest of WoD was fine, and if they just removed a few of the more major game-breaking features everything would be alright?
Those features shouldn't have ever been introduced into the game, and live WoW has been built in the vortex of these baby-mode features, where the entire game is dumbed down and anti-social.
>>335758976
>playing on a pve realm
ew
>>335769073
Thunder Isle was pretty fucking fun for PVP.
>tfw never played WoW beforeDon't know why I'm here.
>>335751370
Really the game started to go way downhill in TBC, I remember the exact patch too, it was right when they started letting people get epics with badges earned in easy as fuck dungeons. Also it was the same time they removed attunements so it basically meant you could be a trash player in a trash guild and still be just as geared.
>>335773528
>Having 2-3 epics that are rings or back pieces
Compared to
>Having full Tier Set with Bonuses and Raid Weapons.
>Just as Geared
>>335773528
That badge system was great. You COULDNT get a full badge gear unless you was actually farming raids, but they were great for filling for pieces you cant upgrade or for alts. It was even casual friendly because badge gear never obsoleted, every stuff you gut was wearable up to SWP if you wanted to raid on an alt or start playing more.
Gladiator gear was the true welfare.
>>335751370
Why did he lose his furry ears in Legion?
>>335773786
corruption turned the ears into horns baka
>>335751370
I wish Mark always presented himself like this. Sometimes he's a big idiot and it hurts his reputation and everything he stands with.
>>335773287
Because you're a peeping Tom faggot.
If you're interested in WoW, don't play right now. The current version is a facebook game with 0 interaction with other players. It's almost just a single player game at this point.
There's a huge community out roar to bring back the original version of the game that was like crack on a CD-rom, where you were forced to play with others. If we win, then one of the greatest video games that have ever existed will be back on the shelf.
>https://www.generosity.com/fundraising/legacy-servers-word-of-warcraft/x/13935640
welp
>>335753734
>>335752485
Marl made a good point about Blizzard changing shit allegedy because political correctness, but they won't change something for 200k players and a twitch fanbase.
People are always fighting over whether the costumer iscajqays right or if devs should be able to preserve artistic integrity. It seems like Blizzard just likes to BTFO as many fans as possible and keep everything internal after all.
>>335767479
>grind the same shit over and over again
That sounds fucking terrible. What would be the point in playing when you keep restarting?
>millions will flood back for Legacy servers
>the most popular one, while free, couldn't even get a million
C'mon now.
>>335774469
What exactly that Mark Kern has done since Vanilla makes him qualified to open his company destroying mouth?
>TBC
Resilience killed PVP, flying mounts killed world PVP. Literally only a good zone and a half, the half being Hellfire because of it actually being insane PVP early on into the expansion. Added dailies, which added to a grind that already existed. Still had good 5mans, Kara was the only good early raid but it ended with 3 great ones. Started the welfare epic bullshit with those badges.
>WOTLK
Worst 5 mans of the 3 "vanilla" era, started the hallway nonsense. Reused Naxx as a raid, and Ulduar was the only good raid in the expansion in terms of difficulty and mechanics in fights. Great questing zones overall for both factions
>people actually want "Legacy" servers for these two overalls mediocre expansions that are heavy nostalgia
Especially WOTLK, holy shit you guys are fucking delusional.
>>335774943
He can hustle like no one else. He gathered enough money to make Firefall only to open his big mouth, get fired, and watch it crash and burn.
He's smart, but autistic.
>>335753252
Does someone have the source plox?
>check out all these people wanting to give us their money
>should we sell our products to them?
>nah, we cant risk our facebook cash shop "mmo" dying
>lets be even MORE casual!!
I swear to god, how can one be so dense
>>335773528
> unironically thinking TBC was a bad expansion
Kill yourself.
>>335775152
Ego
>>335751370
Stop. Really, stop.
Think about this for a moment. Why do you want Blizzard to make more money with a version of the game they don't have to develop any more content for? They will just run this with the bare minimum and make extra money, while they continue to ruin the current game.
Stop, really.
>>335775101
Nonsummerjack
>>335775152
Don't they want to release an expansion each year? Vanilla servers would kill sales.
Even though subscriptions are fucked 10 million mouth breathers buy each expansion anyway and play for a month or 2
>>335756998
>>335757417
They stopped reporting subscribers during WoD.
It jumped up at the start of the expansion, then rapidly fell as people realised it was shit. They quoted their reason for ending reporting as "there are better ways to measure revenue" referring to cash shops etc.
