Can we have a serious discussion about Nintendo going 3rd party?
Do you think it would be good or bad? Do you think it's likely? Finally, do you want it to happen?
>>335748605
Platform exclusivity in general is cancer.
Never gonna happen
With the incompetence they've been showing of late it might be for the best honestly. I can see them going the route of Sega in the near future. At least I wouldn't have to buy a separate machine to play their games too.
>>335748694
this
especially when 3rd parties have to dilute their games to run on your shitty hardware
>>335748774
Plus their games might actually get taken seriously by the industry and people who aren't already nintendrones like myself.
>Mario games are shit
>But they'd be good on my console of choice
Yes.
Nintendo can make good games when they bother to put in the effort and not held back by inferior hardware with idiotic gimmicks.
>>335748949
No one here is saying they're shit. Please take your shitposting somewhere else.
>>335748605
Pffttt hahahahaha oh you serious. They are going to go smart phone before they go Sony (much larger user base and easier money). Also if they do it will be the end of consoles as a game system and more of a Netflix box.
>>335748605
i would like to see it because come on, it's nintendo, you just know they'd do something like put Pokemon Fuschia on Xbox, and Pokemon Mauve on Playstation. and the shitstorm alone that would ensue from that would be hilarious.
overall though, as it stands now you buy a nintendo and you get first party games but fuck all for third party, and you buy a 'station or a bone and you get third party games but fuck all for first party.
it would be nice to purchase a system and get both first party and third party games again, but nintendo developing third party games isn't going to contribute to that.
>>335749268
Let's just hope Animal Crossing on iOS isn't as boring as Miitomo.
>>335749119
>No one here is saying they're shit
>>335748605
1 good because it would stop console war shitposting
2 they would make their games smartphone exclusive before making a game on a playstation ( smartphone hardware is more powerful than current gen consoles so it wouldn't be a bad thing)
3 I don't really care if they go third party or not because I'll still get their games if I like them
>>335748605
Yes because going third party did Sega wonders.
>>335749472
sega was never good though
>>335749294
That's gamefreak anon.
>>335749391
>1 good because it would stop console war shitposting
Are you fucking joking
If they went third party we'd never hear the fucking end of it
>>335748605
worst idea ever
just get some exciting new developers and design teams.
Next Gen:
Metroid Prime
F-Zero
MK
1080
>>335749653
sega went third party and no one mentions their consoles anymore
>>335749472
sega was always a shitty software developer tbqh
they struck it rich with hardware marketing to the cool kids pre-sony but sony obliterated them in that market demographic
>>335749391
>smartphone hardware is more powerful than current gen consoles so it wouldn't be a bad thing
What the fuck am I reading
>>335748694
Yes because we all want companies to make one game and poorly port it to every platform, exclusivity is to breed competition.
But hey this is the type of stupidity that breeds when hardware manufacturers come into the markets and become 3rd party devs bitches.
>>335750082
the hardware that consoles use is really bad
>>335749734
>primeshit
will you haloidfags just let this shit die already?
bring back actual metroid games fuck this halo reskin shit in the ass.
At this point, I'm fine with it.
Wii U was Nintendo's Saturn.
>>335749734
>Metroid Prime
>F-Zero
>MK
>1080
That won't capture casuals, anon.
>>335750415
and it's funny because these primefags are the ones who cry when federation force is announced because "that's not what a metroid game is supposed to play like"
>>335750408
that's to make them affordable
>>335750471
except the saturn was actually just fine. you put a saturn game next to a playstation game and the saturn game doesn't look like it's a generation behind.
I'd love it! As a PS4 and Wii U owner, I doubt I'll touch the NX. Let's just hope that it'd stop censorship of their games.
>>335750565
>tripfag opinion
>>335748605
>Can we have a serious discussion about Nintendo going 3rd party?
Nothing stopping you from posting about fantasy stuff
>Do you think it would be good or bad? Do you think it's likely? Finally, do you want it to happen?
Bad/ basically impossible outside a complete stuctural collapse in the western world / lol no
>>335749328
Probably won't be. However I would not be surprised if it was freemiumed up the as with
>9.99 to pay of tom nook
>10.99 to buy a patio
>99.99 to buy a Mario bouncy house
>>335750471
What was their CD and 32X then?
>>335749803
Because /v/ is too young to have played them.
Plenty of Sega shitpost wheneve they release a game.
>>335750415
So either you didn't play halo or you didn't play prime, because despite both being shooters they are quite different
>>335750696
nice collection desu an-
>no onechanbara z2 chaos
>>335748605
>Nintendo going 3rd party
Nintendo is going mobile, anon. Nintendo will never be on a Sony console.
This is the future you chose.
>>335750714
>primefag opinion
>>335750408
Do you want a $599 situation? Because this is how you get a $599 situation.
>>335750674
its also making them redundant because smartphones are evolving at a rapid pace, why do you think Sony made the ps4.5?
>>335750696
Nice load of port you got there
>>335750730
A year ago I could have asked the same question about them going mobile and you'd have had the same reply
Nintendo has demonstrated that they're not above lowering their standing. Maybe while Yamauchi was still alive, but he's long since dead. If making 3rd party games is what they need to do to remain in business, you can bet your ass they will do it
>>335750771
>What was their CD and 32X then?
Virtual Boy and CD-iHow soon the young forget.
>>335748694
Do you also vote for bernie sanders, communist scum? How is competition bad for a market?
>>335750930
I was just stating the facts, nothing more
>>335749060
>>335750696
You know, I don't get why some people believe if Nintendo goes third party, all of their problems will just go away because it's another platform.
Just because we can pay dollarydoos for online now doesn't mean you're going to get online co-op, non-censored games, or hell, even games that look tons better.
>>335750894
The fact that I can use Mitomo on my Sony Xperia means you're wrong
>>335751000
if you're blaming nintendo for the Philips CDi, it's time to take your brain medicine gramps
>>335750984
Ah yes, the ''they are going out of business guys! nevermind the huge bank and the fact that even on low years they still make profits'' stupidity,
You are a retard, and should expect to be treated as such
Metroid by Naughty Dog on PS4 would be nice.
>>335751121
But will never happen, however many salty tears you bring to the table.
>>335750937
yeah but what the fuck would you prefer to play with
an actual controller or your fingers covering up the screen?
>>335750565
This, Primefags wanted more primeshit, they got it.
>>335750565
Except there's a difference between Prime and Federation Force. Federation Force is going to be linear, they've already stated that, it's going to be slower as we've already seen, there's not going to be proper exploration for upgrades, it's leaning more towards team gameplay, etc. It is Metroid in name only.
The Prime series had exploration, had item progression, had upgrades hidden, had varied areas, had backtracking for different upgrades and areas using items you obtained, had the isolation feeling down pat, and so on. In what way is the Prime series any less of a Metroid game than the sidescrolling ones? They both have the same exact formula, the perspective and more lore focus in Prime is the only change brought to the table with the Prime series. Bitching that it's a Halo clone holds no merit when it has literally everything that makes a Metroid game a Metroid game.
>>335751115
>nevermind the huge bank and the fact that even on low years they still make profits
they had annual losses for 3 years in a row for FY2011, 2012 and 2013
are you one of those "50 years of steady loss and they'd still be in business" retards? let me know so I can stop wasting my time
>>335751239
you can actually attach a normal controller to it and if apple ever makes it a standard feature you can kiss consoles goodbye
>>335750690
I meant more so in how it had an early death, It still hasn't really taken off and I don't think I could honestly recommend one at this point.
We will still have some games come out but for the most part anything that could be a system seller will go to the NX.
I won't deny I had fun with my Wii U but the thing should still have some more life left in it
More than 11 months anyway.
>>335751121
Fuck no. The only good first party studio Sony has is Japan Studio, and modern ND should never touch any pre-existing franchise after what they tried to do to Jak & Daxter.
>>335751374
>ever makes it a standard feature
>apple
wew lad, i've had enough bait for one night
zelda made by fromsoft
*breathes heavily
>>335751498
its not bait anon its a very real danger,
>>335748605
>Do you think it would be good or bad?
Bad, their games are good because they have a lot of control.
>Do you think it's likely?
Not in our life time
>Finally, do you want it to happen?
No, why would you?
>>335751327
>In what way is the Prime series any less of a Metroid game than the sidescrolling ones?
you just nailed it. it's a completely different genre. i can't go around calling Halo a proper continuation of Centipede because both feature fast-paced action shooting alien bugs. you're intentionally glossing over the many, many differences that clearly separate the two.
if you like the metroid spinoff that's great for you but it's hardly surprising that when one shooter they re-skin to cash in on nostalgia pays off, they'd do it again.
>>335751360
>it is known they have approx 8=10 billion in bank
>They had loss 1 year when they massively increased their headquarters and upped their employee count
>That loss was 250 million. basically nothing to them
>They are back to profitable for the last few years and that loss is already erased.
I love when retard pretend to know better than me, nothing better to laugh at.
>>335751239
>>335751374
problem with phones/pads is not the controls but the ecosystem
consumers except phone games to be dirt cheap, you can't sell something if it's more than $5
this is not sustainable from a development perspective. titles are successful not based on whether or not they are quality titles but sheer luck on whether or not viraling catches fire. this means investing in a quality game development is a waste of money next to developing a literal shit bucket of cheap shit games and hoping one of them catches on. a bigger net, as the saying goes
and this is what gaming is devolving to with indie studios jumping in anyway, they're driving down what consumers will pay for a polished product and AAA devs are seeing one by one that it's not worth it anymore. it's too big of a risk to develop a quality title
we're in the middle of the next video game market crash, we just can't see it yet because it's the eye of the storm. 20 years from now economists will write books about this moment and talk about how obvious it was looking back
>>335751000
>CD-i
>>335751574
I'd rather not Zelda became a yearly rehash.
>>335751821
they would probably make 2 shops to separate them if the average could play gta on their phone
>>335751719
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/05/02/nintendo-reports-its-first-annual-loss-in-three-decades-over-500-million-in-the-red/#7f71e5986cce
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/24/4260062/nintendo-2012-earnings
http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/nintendo-goes-for-the-hat-trick-with-3rd-annual-losses-mainly-caused-by-wii-u-but-expects-sales-increase-for-coming-year/
You're a fucking idiot by the way. They are projected not to recover from this 3 year stretch even by the end of of FY2016, and after that it's all up in the air how well the NX does. Why do you think they just sold the Seattle Mariners?
>>335752186
Oh jesus, he's actually trying too. You are a precious little flower, and i hope you find your dreamjob at the paint micing stick factory.
>>335752376
>I have literally no argument because I have no idea what I'm talking about
Leave the numbers talk to the adults, kiddo.
>>335752376
haha look at this faggot
>>335752429
Then why are you talking?
You kinda remind me of those retards that said Nintendo was dead in 1989, 1992, 1996....
>>335750415
lol metroid prime is an amazing game and literally nothing like halo, wtf are you thinking?
>>335752186
So what will realistically happen if the NX can't even do Wii U numbers or does just as bad as it?
>>335752659
All you're doing is using ad hominem attacks to attempt insulting me. You've claimed they only had one year of losses which is factually incorrect. If you want to have a civilized conversation you can start by either admitting your error or explaining how I misunderstood you.
Otherwise you are just a poor troll, and like most poor trolls you are probably an underaged child.
>>335752798
lol metroid is an amazing game and literally nothing like primeshit, wtf are you thinking?
>>335752894
Ok, i'll be the bigger man and say they had loss for 3 years.
Then i'll say that you are still a humongous retard and will be laughing at nintendoomed retards till my last breath
>>335751021
lolwut?
Sanders and market competition are not mutually exclusive...
>>335752840
Nintendo has a lot in the bank so they could afford to do 1-2 more console launches (developing new hardware and marketing it is the most expensive part)
But realistically they might conclude that this would be a waste of resources because they're unlikely to recover from the brand name damage that two failed products have done to consumer confidence
Realistically NX is their last chance unless they're completely insane and try another console after it
Not saying the NX will fail, just hypothetically if it does
Maybe you children should buy systems with games and not into hype and then you wouldn't feel so much remorse for your purchase to the point you wish the competition made games for you.
NINTENDO DOOMED
SINCE 1882
MARIO WELCOME TO SONY ALL STARS
>>335753153
But all their friends bought it, popular thing can't be bad
>>335753048
You have me pegged as someone I'm not. I've owned every Nintendo console for starters, even the VB. I think the NX launch is the first time they're actually in real jeopardy of losing their stake in the hardware business, because if the NX fails I can't imagine them coming back from it
This doesn't mean they're "doomed" per se, as they could be completely successful as software developers and licensing out their IP to amusement parts, toys, television shows, movies, etc. So you would have to define what you mean by "doomed". Do I think Nintendo will go bankrupt and vanish off the face of the earth? Absolutely not. Do I think it's realistically *possible* for them to go 3rd party developer? Yes, I do, now more than ever before.
I believe nintendo said they would rather have their IPs die with the company, which is probably for the better.
Have you numbskulls seen how Microsoft and Sony treat IPs? Remember when Sony had Spyro as an IP?
>>335751327
soo much this
>dat exploration
>dat isolation
thank you, anon. I have hope for /v/ yet
>>335753324
I see your point about diversifying to tv and stuff, but 3rd party is so horribly retarded your post swings back to stupid. Sorry anon, it's how it is
Why the fuck would you want less competition?
>>335753381
There is no one quoted as actually saying this. Japanese are stubborn, xenophobic, exclusionary people but they are still businessminded and they will do what they need to do to stay in business. If push comes to shove, they're not going to bury IP worth billions of dollars. Mario alone is worth billions. You don't bury something like Mario.
>>335753661
And because Mario's such a money make, it won't be sold, you fuck nut.
>>335751687
please explain the significant differences between Prime and Super Metroid other than the 2D vs 3D.
it seems like you might be crazy
>>335750565
>>335750908
Anon, just stop posting. Your opinions are dumb and your shit's all retarded.
>>335753861
Didn't say they'd sell it, this is just about them publishing on other platforms.
Nintendo can make Mario games on Playstation and they'd still own the IPs.
>>335754132
But why not just do it on their own console, where they don't have to split the profits?
Same with Zelda, pokemon, FE, Monster Hunter, Smash, Splatoon, Mario kart. That's without going on the other healthy IP that just sell very well instead of gangbuster, like Yoshi, DK and Kirby.
>>335754132
There is one problem with them going third party though.
Multiple 3rd Party devs say they don't like porting to Nintendo consoles because they have to compete with Nintendo's own games.
Now, imagine those games on every fucking platform. It'd be absolute chaos. They would pretty much have a monopoly on platformers and kart racing games because no one would give a fuck about other games in that genre.
Who the hell knows, they might even cannibalize Sony and MS's properties as well if they wanted to.
>>335753020
...i don't get it.
low quality post, simple anon.
(i suppose I forgot that in both Metroid Prime and Halo you are a human in a suit who shoots at aliens. I will concede this point)
>>335748605
In the unlikely event it happened, you're not going to see AAA titles anymore. They'll take all of their IPs to smartphones, not out of spite for Sony or PCs, but because they perceive that's where their target demographic would be.
Smash Bros. 6, coming to you on iPhones!
>>335753962
please explain the significant differences between a toaster and a microwave. i mean they're both devices you plug into the wall to heat food, right? so obviously they're the same thing and any physical or operational differences are on YOU to explain to ME, right?
this is what you sound like.
>>335754695
>Smash Bros. 6, coming to you on iPhones!
Not gonna lie, i'd play it
>>335754516
>implying anyone makes platformers or kart racers anymore
It would just complement the lacking points in the libraries.
3rd parties don't like porting to Nintendo platforms because no one buys Nintendo platforms for 3rd party games. They buy them because it's the only way to play Nintendo games. Who the fuck is going to play Assassin's Creed on their underpowered Wii U when it runs better on 7th gen hardware?
And I totally see it, because that describes me exactly. I only buy Nintendo hardware because I have to, not because I want to. I have a PC and PS4 and there's no reason I'd play multiplats on the inferior hardware, even if they were actually available.
>>335754935
I'd play it too but it would probably be hell to play
>>335754935
>color swaps just 99 cents each!
>>335754946
So basically what you are saying is that Nintendo games being exclusive brings you to buy their hardware ?
Sounds like a winning strategy to me. After all, why would someone buy a PS4 if a PC can play the same game better?
>>335753962
Super Metroid is an open exploration game, with no indication of where you should be going or even what you really need to do. It's all reliant on your ability to wander around and find which areas you have access to, and revisit areas when you get the appropriate gear.
Metroid Prime is all about wandering to the next objective marker, generally with mostly linear paths and with scanning everything to know which weapons to progress.
Come on, anon. I liked both games, but let's be realistic. They were not exactly the same style of game.
If you want a nintendo game so fucking bad, you sony faggots, there's retail stores that sell old consoles dirt cheap. I got a NES for less then 20 dollars.
>>335755402
PS4 is cheaper than PC, different strategy
And it sounds like a winning strategy, sure, until you consider that Nintendo typically does not profit off of their hardware, so "bringing me to the hardware" is not relevant.
Now consider they can only sell games to people who have bought their hardware, and you should quickly realize why it is a losing strategy unless they sell a lot of hardware.
That is the gamble. That is the reason why most Wii U games were moved to NX. Seems like a better move to sell to a much larger demographic, even if Sony or MS or Valve gets a cut, then you could still make more money by selling more units. They could play it super smart and develop their own platform on PC, like Origin and Ubisoft, and not only would they then get 100% of the profit but they could start making money again off of other developers who choose to sell through their platform.
lets be real here sony dudes wont buy nintendo games if anything all the sales of those games will all be from nintendo fans
>>335755763
>Nintendo typically does not profit off of their hardware
Retard alert ! We caught a big one
I'll let you on a secret : Nintendo very rarely sell anything at a loss, and when they do the loss is very small and disappear with better manufacturing 6 monts down the line.
it would be good
they wont do it
yes i want it to happen
but nintendo would rather sink with their amiibos than make good games for some reason.
>>335755983
Even when they do make a profit off the hardware, we're not talking about a substantial amount. As a business they make most of their money through software sales and licensing. It actually used to be primarily licensing but as 3rd parties abandoned them they're mostly a software publisher now anyway
>>335756321
Glad you admit that you were retarded when you said that they do not profit from their hardware.
>>335753562
>3rd party is horribly stupid
considering nintendo's investors are getting frustrated with the lack of profits and the fact that nintendo is not capitalizing on NX hype at ALL, it's easy to see it as their last console.
a mobile-only developer is considered third party, and nintendo is headed in that direction.
and no amount of money in the bank is going to save them from that. who the fuck would invest in a company that's bleeding profits?
>>335756436
Wii U was not sold for a profit until the 3rd year
I am unaware of the 3DS besides the absurd launch price and subsequent price slash, but I suspect it was still sold at a marginal profit.
That does not change the fact that this is not a substantial form of their business. It is merely part of the bait and switch model.
>>335748605
NEVER EVER
>>335756539
If you actually knew what you are talking about, i wouldn't call you a fuckign idiot.
You are a fuckign idiot
If they do go 3rd party it wont be happening any time soon. Give it about 10 to 15 yrs from now. If anything.
>>335756870
nice counterargument
>>335756708
>>335748771
>>335758108
They are a 3rd party smartphone developer already though
>>335758108
How long did it take sega after their console turned out to be a financial disaster?
It will never, ever happen you retards
>>335758616
Sony must be a third party developer then
>>335758659
Sega had 4 flops in a row (CD, 32x, Saturn, Dreamcast) for them to drop everything.
This is Nintendo's first real flop since the Virtual Boy.
>>335759205
64dd
>>335759439
I literally forgot that shit existed
I wouldn't even count that as a flop, more like a failed experiment
