Dark Souls Lore thread
Anyone who actually believes this guy isnt a fraud is retarded.
He is literally the Soulfeeder mentioned in the Skull ring he drops.
Its why he is burnt.
>>335660854
i may be small, but i will fraud a colossus
>>335660854
meh
dude must be pretty bored considering i didnt talk to him to get any shit weapons
>>335661178
But he needs to Feed anon.
>>335660854
He killed the soulfeeder
So what exactly is up with there being two (or three if you count Kiln) Firelink shrines?
>>335661670
Then why doesnt he fit his throne? Everyone else had a throne to fit them (Lothrics was made for when hes older as it was Lorian size)
He isnt Ludleth. He is the Soulfeeder, who likely killed Ludleth and ate his soul.
How can he run so fast when he doesn't have legs?
He crown too big for he gotdam hed
>>335661893
I don't know what that ring is or what it's description is, but does it matter who he is or not? He does exactly what you need him to do.
>>335660854
He's the Demon's Souls protagonist from the bad ending where said protagonist is consumed with a hunger for souls. Hence his dead Maiden in Black firekeeper in Untended Graves.
>>335661893
cause he has no fucking legs and tells you he tried to ignite himself and was burned down to the pathetic form you now see.
No legs, scrawny, failed to link the fire, meaning he isnt what he used to look like.
>>335661893
On this note, does the Legion just share a seat? There's at least three of them, somebody's gonna be sitting bitch.
>>335661893
Does Yhorm fit his throne? And Lud was raised as a lord of cinder just like lothric, but instead of hiding he's doing his duty.
He clerly know how to turn souls into items so why is it odd that he turned the soulfeeder into a ring?
>>335662036
>Hence his dead Maiden in Black firekeeper in Untended Graves.
Where in the untended graves? I just defeated the champion
>>335661893
>everyone else had a throne that fit them
>one of them seats a 10-headed 'skull'
>one of them a giant would sit on that couldn't even fit in the building itself
wew lad
>>335662286
Behind an illusory wall where the miracle trainer sits.
>>335662286
You know that wall that Irina of Carim sits up against? It's an illusory wall in Untended Grave's Firelink Shrine/Nexus. Behind that illusory wall is a small room with a dead firekeeper in it. Loot the pair of eyes from her and talk to Ludleth.
>>335662070
When does he say he used to be big? He only says his legs were charred off. But the Soulfeeder is also said to have been burnt.
He also says he succeeded in linking the flame.
>>335662163
Only one of the legion can link the flame. They all dont.
>>335662292
Yhorms Throne is literally an exact copy of that in his room, that he was sitting on when you walk in. Wew m8
Could this be a dwarf?
>>335660854
why does this matter again? he delivers as advertised
>>335662624
>Yhorms Throne is literally an exact copy of that in his room, that he was sitting on when you walk in. Wew m8
Except much smaller, you dumb asshole
that pilgrim dude just randomly dead when I came back to firelink shrine
should I be scared?
>>335661738
I think it's due to the parallel worlds bullshit. The castles diorama in the background of the kiln directly references this.
>>335662624
>Yhorms Throne is literally an exact copy of that in his room, that he was sitting on when you walk in. Wew m8
yeah you might wanna go check that yourself
>>335662934
No, it isnt. Its literally an exact copy. Maybe actually look for once.
>>335661332
Ah-ha thout returned
>>335660854
>give him bad ass souls for weapons
We're literally feeding him souls. Maybe thats how he gets powerful enough to be a cinder
>>335663054
Messages in Firelink Shrine also show up in Untended Graves and vice versa. They're also in the same area in the bonfire teleport menu.
Personally, I think it was Ludleth's world. Somehow we got through without the use of phantoms.
Does it really matter who he is if he serves the purpose as a cinder?
>>335663372
nah but it's cool to think about.
>>335660854
Is he Mexican?
He looks like one.
>>335662280
But he needs the transposing kiln to covert souls into items
So if you literally beat all the cinder lords in the game, what the hell is the DLC for?
Lore tread? Fine. Answer me this. Where do you think is the MC of dark souls 2? With scholar of the first sinner we know he could have taken a different pact but yet we haven't see him
>>335663602
Final boss has that DaS2 magic spam.
>>335663592
Meeting pre-corruption Dancer and pre-Profaned Flame Sulyvahn
A-HA, THOUST RETURNED
>>335663592
Saving Gwyndolin and getting that boypussy for a reward.
>>335663041
Did you see a woman beside him? If not cure your hollowing by giving the firekeeper soul to the firekeeper.
Skull ring description:
>One of Courland's transposed wonders. Derived from the soul of a Soulfeeder.
>Easier to be detected by enemies.
>The Soulfeeder was a beast that insatiably absorbed souls to feed its own power. Even after its accursed corpse was burned, it is said that the pungent stench of souls left the air permanently stained."
Wow so he was just like the player? The ring explains just how powerleveling in the game turns you into a monster. And when Ludleth set himself on fire to be a lord of cinder, its stench remains on his body. I don't see how this makes him a bad person at all.
>>335663592
This doesn't make much sense. You killed the four niggers in DaSII, and the DLCs brought something new to the table
>>335660854
>>335661893read the Transposing Kiln descriptionHe is the last boss>you gave him the Kiln LOL
>>335663602
Neither bearer or Aldia will be mentioned again.
DaS2 fucked up the lore, and i hope they just leave it like that.
>>335660854
He never really lies about it, does he? I mean, the back of his chair says Ludleth, the Exiled. I assume he was exiled for eating so many fucking souls, and then burnt as a lord of cinder for it.
>>335663340
I think its in the past, just because Iudex doesnt drop a Soul, because you already got it when you kill Champion Gundyr
>>335663602
He might have just taken Vendrick's cure for hollowing and left, as the Faraam Armor's description said he went beyond death. He's probably just chilling with Aldia somewhere.
>>335663540
Which he mentions he had access to before they were lost. I think he says there were even multiple.
>>335663592
I hope the DLC has an "Arena" Where 30 something people can come in, watch fights and even participate. You can bet souls and there would even be special arena weapons and armor.
It wouldn't even kill PVP spots because that would still serve for people that are looking for something more simple.
>>335663602
hes sitting on his throne for all eternity, bored as fuck
>>335663789
how did it fuck up the lore?
>>335663887
Because he didn't like it! It's bad!
>>335663708
>>335663185
Why does he talk like this?
No one else does.
>>335663789
>DaS2 fucked up the lore
DS2 has some top tier shit like Vendrick. To throw it all out is simply a waste.
>>335663783
>Give to Ludleth, Lord of Cinder
>mfw
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>335663592
Hopefully a londor dlc and one for the desert of Carthus. I like deserts, they look nice.
>>335663783
>he doesnt know what a Kiln is
>>335663592
If it's like any Souls DLC ever it's going to be 'side-mission' content that's ancillary to your main quest but still revealing and story-related.
Is the soulfeeder supposed to be referencing something other than the item description?
>>335664000
>I like deserts, they look nice.
Are you autstic?
>>335663789
No bruh Aldia is obviously the modern Aldrich and he ate the Dark Souls 2 main character. That or the Dark Souls 2 main character is now the pontiff.
You should compare his final boss form in DaS2.
>>335664000
>Desert DLC
>Invisible Sand Devils that never drop agro in the first area
>They can enter boss areas
>>335660854
DLC is going to have a fight with him in his prime. He's the only lord we don't fight.
>>335663783
what in that description implies that?
also, last boss sucked, didnt have all the build up gwyn did, even with nashandra you'd have suspicions of who would be the final boss
>>335664050
Not that guy, but why don't you leave him the F-CK alone?!
>>335663789
>aldia is mentioned by name in the Japanese version Soul Geyser
>>335664115
who asked you???
back the fuck off?!
>>335664105
>>335664105
>Give to Ludleth, Lord of Cinder
I dunno anon you tell me
>>335664000
But there is sand everywhere!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzp0TSjl6o
What's he asking forgiveness for?
I assume eating all those fucking souls to become a Lord of Cinder.
>>335664197
You do realize all the Lords are called Lords of Cinder, right?
When you use an ember you even enter "Lords of Cinder" mode.
>>335664197
I'll tell you you're a fucking retard that doesn't know what the last boss is actually named or how you fight multiple lords of cinder in the game.
>>335664208
And its coarse and rough and it gets everywhere!
>>335664050
What is autistic about a chill ass desert? I love the look of the sand dunes in the distance with maybe a chill oasis with sum trees. It looks nice as fuck dude.
If only we could throw all the niggers out of the deserts irl
>>335663825
But why can you just waltz in there? No teleporting or anything
>>335664074
>after bonewheel skeletons what can we do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltvLo2vNls0
>>335664197
clearly I'm missing something, but dont you know that he's a lord of cinder the moment you speak with him?
>>335664074
So almost like the snow unicorns from DS2. I would almost rage.
>>335663952
Because he's from Courland and nobody else is. Besides, he's old as fuck.
>>335664365
That's the concept I was going for by trying to one up them in a way.
Now in Sand Version.
>>335664273
>>335664302
>>335664343fine I just thought I was right, but I'm not. I will leave in shame
>>335664303
Not like you, Anon~
>>335664338
Time is fucked up with the flame burning low. The abyss is known to do that, evidenced by the DS1 DLC
Side note, these rivers and street number captchas are gonna make me break my monitor. Theyre driving me insane
>>335662624
>When does he say he used to be big?
I don't think you should be in Dark Souls lore thread if you are unable to take things not literally.
He said he linked the fire, he postponed the fucking end of the world.
After a deed like that even king of midgets could call himself a colossus.
>>335663887
If they aknowledge it, they will have to retcon a lot of stuff.
Explain how the throne of want is supposed to be the first flame, it makes no sense unless DaS2 takes place after 3, which is not the case.
>>335663953
It has some cool stuff that works on it's own, but not in the series.
Honestly playing all 3, 2 feels like it's another game alla Bloodborne with it's own universe.
>>335663592
Time travel again where you meet and beat the Lords of Cinder before they were burned and were actual threats.
>>335660854
What's his relationship with the champ Gundyr? Did he reverse Gundyr's world to the state where Gundyr might make it to the first flame?
>>335664562
I feel that DS2 offers an important bridging between DS1 and DS3, showing that efforts have been made to try stop the cycle.
>>335664138
So is Vendrick, as king of want.
And the Nashandra painting, and some items.
Just to please some fans.
Hopefully they'll leave it like that.
The game says it's a cycle but, at this point they are running out of people to burn it seems.
>>335664526
What in the fuck are you talking about? The post I replied to said the fire shrunk him
>No legs, scrawny, failed to link the fire, meaning he isnt what he used to look like.
Where does he ever say he isnt what he used to look like. He says to look at his burnt off legs, thats it. Even with legs the throne is still massivly to big for him.
Also Linking the fire doesnt make you fucking deformed. It literally burns you into ash.
>>335664709
>being this buttmad about DS2 being canon.
wew lad
>>335661178
this shit
>barely any dex weapons
>if it's some agile weapon, it's infused with magic or some shit
>can't infuse weapons with Sharp gems
'least you forged me Havel's Ring you old bastard
>>335664237
>His tone when he says "I am a Lord"
Somebody tried to murder him in the past, yet he didnt just die (or go hollow) and he's dreaming of it. Who and why though? His firekeeper saw his betrayal (ending the flame/not linking it), maybe it was her?
>Forgive me please
Probably asks forgiveness for betraying his cycle and ending the fire (or failing to link it) and or murdering his firekeeper.
>I am not to blame
Maybe he got manipulated by Kaathe into doing what he did and he realised it a bit too late.
The reason he didnt fuck off like the others Lords of Cinder is regret for not fulfilling his duty.
Now about him get burned. Maybe he ultimately tried to link the fire but it was too late? Idk if it's relevant but if you choose to link the fire at the end there is no big wooosh like in DS1, your dude just starts burning up and then sits down (almost in disappointment). Maybe you are too late aswell and thats what happened to Lud too? Idk about that but I'm almost certain that dark firelink is in Lud's cycle where he failed to link the flame.
I'm just going to post some of my lore musings: I'm not espousing I'm any sort of expert, but I have some ideas.
Here's my shit on Yhorm.
>Yhorm the Giant is a Dark souls 2 Giant. He just isn't "Hollowed": Giants Hollow via their bodies becoming contorted, emaciated and developing that characteristic hole in their face before they slowly develop into those elder trees and die.
>Yhorm is a direct descendant from the Giant King from Dark Souls 2.
>Yhorm came to the profaned capital before it was known as the "profaned" capital in order to loot and pillage it's exorbitant wealth, which he was able to do quite effortlessly; absolutely fucking devastating the capitals knights, guards and king.
>Yhorm however was BEGGED by the common folk to lead them as a lord and king as they recognized his strength, but also thought that he couldn't be crueler than their previous demented God/Human leaders. They were pleased to find that Yhorm was as just and fair as he was physically powerful.
>Eventually however it came time for Yhorm to link the fire and he did so willingly and became a lord of cinder, but a giant had never before linked the fires and his fire instead turned into the profaned flame we know today: it burned so brightly and massive that it consumed all of Yhorm's kingdom.
>In an attempt to protect and shield his people from the profaned flame; Yhorm opened his throne room to the public to shelter them from the fire, but the profaned flame burned only HUMANS and every single one of Yhorm's subjects ended up burning alive.
>Yhorm flees from his responsibility as lord of cinder due to his personal failures causing him to lose faith in his title and credibility.
>>335664726
Also each cycle seems to last less and less.
>>335664889
Did we ever discover a answer to this or is it just doomed to eventually fade?
>>335660854
I played dark souls 3 at 4k on a 50inch and it looked nowhere near this clear
>>335664856
Au contraire.
I'm happy they aknowledge so little about it.
Like
"Yeah it happened, and a bunch of people has linked the fire since then, but we'll just mention it vaguely"
>>335664881
Good fiction.
I've heard the hollow giant idea, but they must not hollow like humans because the Giants in das2 are an effective, coherent army, unlike the mindless human hollows.
>>335664879
He specifically says he linked the flame, of his own accord, even when he knows you've given the firekeeper the eyes and encourages you to make your choice for yourself, whether to link it or let it fade. Considering how upfront he is about it there's no reason to think he didn't link the fire.
Not to mention there's another dream he has where he's screaming about how much being burned hurts. Dude totally linked the fire when he became a lord. We know becoming a lord takes a lot of strength/souls, we know he drops the skull ring and could transpose souls, even if he isn't the beast mentioned on the ring he probably did some mean shit to get enough power to become a lord, hence the begging for forgiveness.
ITT
from devs come to v asking for lore suggestions
>>335664881
do you have anything on him and siegward?
>>335664881
The profaned flame was not made by him linking the flame, it existed before. There is an axe (elenora I think its named) that talks about some witches that fucked shit up and left happy.
They probably made the flame and he had to stand as a vanguard against it or some shit. Maybe he thought linking the fire would help?
Also the fire feeds on humanity, he is a giant, thus it fed on his subjects.
Not sure if this is canon but, It is now in my head.
Well done anon, I liked it.
>>335665062
I feel the same. I'm glad they put in some of the best sets from 2 back in. Thats all I really wanted. Some more weapons from 2 would have been cool too.
I really didn't pay attention to the lore, I judge characters by how they speak. The way he talks about becoming a colossus made me hate his guts. Anyone who speaks of becoming a colossus sounds like the person I don't want to become a colossus. Sounded narcissistic and self-aggrandizing, a bit like a certain someone else in my life.
>>335664879
Read all the descriptions on Gundyr's stuff plus the Estus ring. Dark firelink is the cycle where Gundyr woke up late because the bell didn't ring and the fire had already faded. Then you come along after wandering into the past, fuck him up, and he ends up impaled on the coiled sword waiting to test a new ashen champion, which ended up being you in the present at the start of the game.
Why the fuck you manage to time travel through an illusory wall is anyone's guess.
>>335665103
Its funny, because its true.
>>335665205
You don't time travel from an illusory wall, you time travel every time you leave Firelink Shrine.
>>335664687
From what I get Champ gundyr is the original and real one who failed his task. The iudex version you fight is either an illusion or a corrupted version.
>>335665103
But Nips don't even know /v/ exists.
I just killed horace.
If I tell Anri will that fuck up the Usurp questline? I want that ring if possible...
>>335665081
>Not to mention there's another dream he has where he's screaming about how much being burned hurts.
This could be him remembering being burnt alive as the Soulfeeder...
>>335664963
It's doomed to fade, just like someday embers will create a big flame again.
Mankind is literally fightning against the nature of the universe.
>>335663592
going back to a previous age where the giants of das2 fucked shit up in "lordran"
>>335665205
I guess it was just for you to get a glimpse of a time when the fire is out, given the complete darkness of everything outside the untended graves.
Also the whole thing just reminds me of the Hunter's Workshop/Hunter's Dream parallel. Hell the dead firekeeper echoes the lifeless doll.
>>335665103
If anything they'd go to 2chan
>>335665414
What? DaS2 wasn't set in Lordran.
>>335665205
>Why the fuck you manage to time travel through an illusory wall is anyone's guess
That got me too.
>Fuck, what should we do about the hole in the wall that leads to a dark past devoid of light and hope?
>just put an illusion over it, its almost time for break
>>335665287
How does one pronounce Iudex?
I thought it said Ludex for the longest time until I took a good look at it the other day.
>>335663592
Saving Priscilla from Aldrich.
Finding the rest of the Lothric royal family, including the Heavenly Daughter Gertrude.
>>335665307
don't tell her about horice and she'll give you the ring in the church when you find her
>>335663789
>Neither bearer or Aldia will be mentioned again.
Bearer's mentioned on the Faraam armor.
And he's either one of the forms of the Soul of Cinder or he fucked off somewhere to enjoy his complete immortality.
>>335665150
Lucatiel's sword has even the same moveset, that was neat.
>>335665496
E-you-dex
>>335665282
That doesn't make much sense. I mean sure, something is obviously weird about both Firelink Shrines, but there's got to be some kinda of time fuckery happening with both of them considering the Dark Sigil eclipse can be seen in every zone once it happens except those two, and is only seen at the Firelink Shrine that exists just outside of the Kiln of the First Flame.
It also makes me wonder how the fuck anyone besides you could travel to and from Firelink.
>>335665496
It's latin if I recall
>>335665496
Sude Dex
>>335665584
Sweet. Thanks.
>>335665070
>I've heard the hollow giant idea, but they must not hollow like humans because the Giants in das2 are an effective, coherent army, unlike the mindless human hollows.
Giants are unlike Gods or Humans; they arose from the great trees that supported the world in the time of mists and dragons and even to this day continue to be the platforms that support the world.
Giants never truly "hollow" in the sense that they never become mindless hollows and their spirits remain INDOMITABLE; they never forgive, they never forget. Drangleic fought the Giant king and his people for almost 4 generations and day in and day simply because the Giants refused to stop fighting even as they twisted into the shapes we see them as in Dark Souls 2.
When beings hollow in Dark souls they return back to what they were before fire was introduced: Humans turn into hollows and Giants turn back into Trees.
This ties in with Yhorm as even though he denied his lordship of cinders: He remained at his throne with the remains of his subjects and waited for a champion to best him who would be able to do what he could not.
>>335665106
>do you have anything on him and siegward?
Yhorm was a friend of Seigward; simple as that.
Yhorm gave Seigward and his own subjects the storm rulers in an act of solidarity so that they wouldn't fear him as those two swords were capable of quiet effortlessly killing him.
I can only imagine that Seigward made a promise to Yhorm that if he ever faltered from his Duty that Seigward would personally come back to the profaned capital and KILL Yhorm to collect his remains and so forth.
>>335664305
Arabs live in the desert. All the niggers live in either jungles or Detroit.
>>335665307
You can tell her. I told her in multiple playthroughs, she puts a little monument to him down there and moves on to Irithyll.
>>335665287
Is there any explanation on why I, ashen one, defeat champ Gundyr though? To ensure stable time loop like Last Giant/Giant Lord stuff? Or mercy kill? Or just wanting for that soulbux?
>>335665476
dude come on, use your head. theres a gaint tree in das3, so the giants where obviously there at some point. the anus face giants are alot smarter than anor londo giants. they are capable of using spells, they have ships, and arent slaves. i just think it would be cool to see the gaints trying to conquer lordran in a previous cycle
>>335665731
The issue with that is Giant Souls are just really big chunks of humanity.
This is “Dark Soul,” the famous protagonist of the hit franchise, Dark Souls! known for his famous quotes: “everything is darkest before the soul” and “every soul has its dark”
>>335665751
sandniggers is just another kind of nigger.
>>335665114
>Also the fire feeds on humanity, he is a giant, thus it fed on his subjects.
OOOOOHHHH, SHIT THAT MAKES SENSE NOW.
THAT MAKES A LOT OF FUCKING SENSE.
MAYBE YHORM COULDN'T 'TRULY' FEED OR LINK THE FIRE BECAUSE HE'S A GIANT AND LACKS HUMANITY, BUT HE CARRIED IT WITH HIM LIKE A TORCH AND UNKNOWINGLY BURNED ALIVE ALL OF HIS SUBJECTS.
>>335663592
one DLC will probably be Aldia calling you a nitwit and then the bearer of the curse will appear with the emerald herald and they'll laugh at how much of a nitwit you are
then the other DLC will be Ornstein's beach party where you go to the beach to find Ornstein in a loincloth and he's like "oh right you killed every possible candidate that could link the flame, good job nitwit"
>>335665881
Action figure when?
>>335665937
See nigga, I smarts.
>>335665881
This is what happens when you wear armor based on stats.
Who is the Lautrec of Dark Souls 3?
>>335666046
There is no lautrec.
Only guy that I have seen people guess is him, Eygon is actually one of the more friendly guys if you keep on his good side.
>>335666046
Leonhard.
>>335666046
Guy you help who fucks you over?
Leonhard I guess, you even invade his ass.
>>335663592
Probably not plausible, but I'd like to see Vinheim or Oolacile
>>335666046
Rosaria dude with that plague doctor mask.
>>335663870
>Souls netcode
>Anything even near 30 people at once
Nah mang.
>>335666046
Leonhard.
>>335665817
Drangleic is directly referenced in DaS3 as being a far away land. Use YOUR head.
>>335665804
, Champion Gundyr, "was greeted by a shrine without fire, and a bell that would not toll." The boss in the area actually called Firelink Shrine is Iudyx Gundyr, who "was bested by an unknown warrior. He then became sheath to a coilder sword in the hopes that someday, the first flame would be linked once more."
Since we find Iudyx dead with a sword in him, but the Champion was already alive, we can surmise that he was impaled by the coiled sword after being beaten by you in the Untended Graves. Therefore, this dark area is in the past, and Firelink Shrine is in the present. Since time is warped due to the Curse, you are able to revisit this previous time.
Also, the items you get here aren't in the "light" Graves because you already took them. Similarly, Iudex is the only boss in the game without a soul, because you already took his soul when you defeated Champion Gundyr.
The biggest difference between DS3 and the other ones is you start in Lothric, you arent magically transported there. You are awoken as a Lord of Cinder.
>>335666123
Leonhard is a bro though. He does not impede your progress or remove a bonfire at all.
>>335666175
You could swing at the air once and backstab three people
Cheapest place to buy DS3?
>>335666187
the giants has ships you fucking moron, and theres a giant tree in the fire link shrine
use
your
head
you
dumb
faggot
>>335666273
thepiratebay.sx
>>335666273
KAT
>First DLC shows what the Queen of Lothric is up to and illuminates just what exactly the "angels" were; will end up just being the Primordial Serpents if the statues are any clue
>Second DLC finally gets around to explaining the sludge dragon parasites and we put our boot on whatever is crawling out of the Abyss for the last time
>Last DLC shows how the cycle of light and dark finally ends; the Ashen One somehow unites the two, light and dark, in an eternal twilight where they are an unlimited source of soul energy by becoming the Old One, who just needs to wake up every so often to collect souls before going back into hibernation
>>335666340
>>335666358
Hows the multi compared to DS2 and 1? Would I miss out a lot if I never really summoned for either game? I kinda liked DS2's invasions (I was a bellbro and a ratfag for a while).
>>335666279
>Reading comprehension
That means Dark Souls 2 is not in Lordran you stupid faggot, which was the original point.
>>335666382
Only 2 dlc's negro.
>>335666382
Why would the angels not be the fat knights with actual angel wings at the top of lothric castle? I mean I know we have those serpent statues too but fuck.
>>335666189
So the present Firelink is like Anor Londo tier of illusion? Why is DaS2 hag still there?
>>335666445
Squish the first two together. They sounded short enough to be fused anyways.
>>335666382
>who just needs to wake up every so often to collect souls before going back into hibernation
I know you want to link it to DeS but this is already what the champions of ash in DaS3 do, aside from going back to sleep.
>>335666408
like dark souls 2 there are a ton more npc summons. in fact some of them can teach you new gestures.
>>335666438
I didnt say it was you dipshit, what the fuck is wrong with you? i said "lordran" refrencing fucking lothric
pull your head out of your ass
>>335664881
>>335665937
Another one of my musings; not as controversial as the last I don't think, but I'd like to share it regardless.
>Champion Gundyr is a human; a champion undead or lord of cinder much akin or exactly like what the player is. He was one anyway.
>Champion Gundyr however came "too late" to save the world and by the time he arrived at HIS firelink shrine the first fire had already faded and an age of darkness had already begun- consuming the world in darkness and ending flame.
>Champion Gundyr however was not "alone" he had the old shrine maiden and he encountered YOU the player.
>Not knowing any better Gundyr assumed by your power that you were either an invader or someone who could potentially be used to create a new "flame"- one of those tiny embers subsisting in the darkness.
>You fight and defeat Gundyr (if not you then perhaps the Swords Master who was also stubbornly alive and in search of lost blades and enemies to test his skill). Dejected and demoralized Gundyr does not wish to be a "threat" to anyone when he becomes hollow and instead prompts himself up as a "challenge" for any upcoming champions.
>He kills himself via impaling and pinning himself down with a coiled sword used to holster bonfires before he lets the abyss take him; reasoning one day a champion will pull the blade, defeat him and create a new bonfire in a new age of fire.
>>335666438
>Reading comprehension
Fucking kek, using a word you aren't using yourself. The dude was saying the giants we saw IN DaS2 went to Lordran. We didn't see it happen, but it's part of 2's story. Fucking think for a second, you imbecile.
>>335665547
Priscilla is fine. Heavenly Daughter Gertrude is where you get the Divine Pillars of Light miracle, she dead as fuck.
>>335666382queen of lothric is gwynevere
>>335662783
Because he's just so fucking nice, it totally ruins the emo atmosphere of the game.
It HAS to be a trick, and he HAS to be evil. There's no other fucking reason to taint my fave game with a Mister Rogers wannabe.
What I think Ludleth is all about:
Ludleth was involved in betraying the Firekeeper and whoever was to link the fire at some point in time. He stabbed them in the back and ensured the fire was not linked.
After seeing the age of dark and watching the firekeeper be ripped apart by whatever the darkness brought, he willed himself into a Lord of Cinder and somehow split into an alternate reality where he linked the flame.
He was 'exiled' from his own Age of Darkness into a reality where the flame was linked but he did not belong. He made it so the firekeeper and yourself are prisoners of his Firelink Shrink.
The same Firekeeper dies over and over again because he has her soul and he doesn't want you to show her the eyes of the original firekeeper because it would reveal the horrors of the dark he created and the betrayal that he brought about.
He's the original evil that is trying to make it right. He was probably tricked by snakes and shit too.
>>335666805
Probably, but item description says she just disappears again. Gwynevere is always just running away somewhere. Maybe we'll get to see what she's up to.
>>335666696
>>Champion Gundyr however came "too late" to save the world and by the time he arrived at HIS firelink shrine the first fire had already faded and an age of darkness had already begun- consuming the world in darkness and ending flame.
Wrong already. The Shrine Handmaiden in Dark Firelink says "the bell has NOT YET tolled", therefore the Fire is not yet faded.
>>335666843
He's dead and tired, he can't really give a shit anymore and simply supports you even through the betrayal.
>>335666696
>Sword Master uses chaos blade whenever you summon him
>You take the chaos blade from the past
>He uses uchi in the present firelink instead
>>335666147
>but I'd like to see Oolacile
You already did, anon.
>>335666907
Have you ever seen the player character and Gywnevere in the same room? Think about it.
>>335666935
>You are Shiva of the East
Literal pottery.
>>335666910
His armor says the bell wouldn't toll, meaning it should have.
>>335666884
Well, Kaathe tries to trick you too via proxy. The londor niggers are Kaathe followers. Yuria is like one of their 3 archbishops or whatever that answers to Kaathe.
>>335666643
>all those gestures i missed on my first playthrough
Which is terrible because "by my sword" is the coolest way to say hello that I've seen yet.
>game has multiple universes with their own fires that need linking
I know nothing you do matters, but parallel universes just make the nothing that you do not matter even more.
God I fucking hate parallel universe bullshit.
Who's this?
>My DeS waifu has to share a name with the conniving whore in DS3
>>335667159
Generic dead Astoran knight.
>>335665103
More like Vaati trying to get video ideas.
>>335664881
He's literally not a DS2 giant as he has an actual face and not just a hole. The only DS2 giant in 3 is the tree outside Firelink.
>>335667134
But first, we need to talk about parallel universes.
>>335667134
Yeah, multiple universes and shit like that just cancers it all up. Nothing really matters anymore because you can just universehop etc.
>>335667192
Your DeS waifu was shit used damaged goods anyway. Probably couldn't even feel a thing if both of you tried.
>>335667159
Call back to Oscar. Nobody of significance in 3.
>>335667159
Protagonist from DaS, pretty sure. Same armor as him at least so there's that. Would be weird if you could loot an Estus Flash off him. For two reasons 1) he gave his away and 2) what the fuck would you do with two Estus Flashs?
wait, so is untended graves in the past or future?
because champion makes me think past, but seed of a giant tree makes me think future
For what purpose?
>>335667386
The Present, Firelink is the future.
>>335667390
Ghost hands can't fuck with you then.
>>335665205
How does the fire get relinked once it's properly faded?
I thought that was supposed to be the end of it.
>>335667390
prevents you getting cursed by the book hands
>>335667390
So you can't read the superspooky evil books and get cursed.
>>335667386
Past.
Iudex Gundyr is Champion Gundyr that the Ashen One impaled in his first life.
>>335667390
It's cum.
>>335667390
Stops bookhands from cursing you.
Looks cool as fuck.
>>335667450
>How does the fire get relinked once it's properly faded?
How did the First Flame burst into existence in the first place?
>>335667446
>>335667506
>>335667473
Really? I thought it was a good disguise to lurk in archive.
>>335665647
The firelink shrines are illusions created by gwyndolin and crew to hopefully stop the cycle of the Lord's of cynder, the first one failed and is the dark firelink shrine, the warrior that failed is the "champion" and the second illusion has you fight an illusion of him to prove your worth as a potential usurper of the flame.
This is why the version of him you kill doesn't drop a soul, it's why the intended graves are named "untended" because they were abandoned by the remaining weakened gods, and why the firekeepers eyes had slivers and evidence of betrayal.
>>335667390
No kinkshame please
>>335666937
Oh right, I don't know how the fuck I forgot about that
>>335667550
How did the Big Bang happen? Pretty much the same question.
>>335667134
I don't think it's multiple realities just time overlapping. there are times where the fire has gone out
>>335666696
Here is another one that involves everyone's favorite character Gwyndolin: This one is more "speculative", so feel free to take or leave it.
>Gwyndolin survived the events of Dark souls 1. Gwyndolin not only survived, but remained and subsisted as the last remaining god of anor londo and the surrounding land.
>With Gwyndolin the only remaining God he did what he thought was best as soon as the fire had been relinked: he guided the humans, rebuilt anor londo and reintroduced the humans to his own doctored miracles that were meant to replicate the miracles of his father Gwyn. Quite possible with the help of one of the serpents (Framptf?)
>Gwyndolin grew powerful, but ultimately could not truly replicate the splendor his father had created: Gwyndolin's influenced spread a constant and eternal "nightfall" over anor londo turning it into the cold tundra of the boreal valley and the miracles Gwyndolin spread in his father's name were.. "lacking" that certain GROSS INCANDESCENTS.>Gwyndolin may have been possibly able to briefly bring back his sister(?) Gwynevere(?) but king Ocerius turned into a freaky dragon? I'm not 100% sure about this part.
>Gwyndolin however became aware of the "meta" from the linking of the fire and established the court of cinders/the lord of cinders title in order to groom and produce worthy heirs and an established stock of humans/giants/whoever who could and WOULD keep the flame constantly lit over generations.
>This however eventually falls apart due to Aldritch's growing influence in the clergy- culminating in Gwyndolin's usurpation via vore.
>>335663680
Why does getting corrupted make you grow big?
>>335665307
enjoy being a kaathe cuck
>>335667081
The complicating factor there is that the Londorians don't want you to simply bring in the age of dark - they want you to steal the flame, to usurp it. Not the age of man (dark) or age of fire (gods) but the age of hollows.
If not for her saying she's failed Kaathe if she is killed would figure they are playing for a rebellion against Kaathe and the dorkwraiths.
>>335667510
>first life
now i'm really confused
>>335665205
Speaking of time travel if you buy something from the hag in the dark fierlink shrine the item disappears from her inventory in the normal shrine
>>335666801
The miracle was just written by Gertrude, it's not made of her soul or anything. Priscilla may not be fine, either. I know people have been fond of saying Aldricht never got to her and only dreamed of her etc., but we see some stuff reminiscent of the Painted World in the actual world which may make us want to think twice.
>Corvian scythe
>The Mistress of the Painted World is said to wield a great scythe herself.
It's wielded by those fucked up bird people things, the same item description calls them "heretics", we know heretical things were kept in the Painted World and that there were fucked up bird people living there since we fought them in DaS1. The scythes also have a bleed effect similar to lifehunt scythe's.
>Aldrich's Doll
Using a doll to get past Irithyll's barrier is exactly how you got entry into the Painted World in the first place.
>Yorshka
Priscilla was kept in the Painted World because she was a crossbreed. Why would Yorshka not also be kept there for the same reason? Yorshka also knows about the Darkmoons, Gwyn, and other shit from the good ol' age of fire, so it's not like she's so young she came after all of that. I think she must have been in the Painted World at some point, and either left or was forced out.
>Irithyll and Anor Londo in general
This one is really a stretch but they are snowy as fuck and we know Anor Londo wasn't like that at all in DaS1 so maybe, if some or all of the Painted World did leak out, it also had this effect.
Basically, my idea is that the Painted World got fucked up somewhere along the way of Anor Londo converging with the realms of other Lords of Cinder, or the Pontiff fucking everything up, or things in general just shitting the bed because the fire is fading.
And now things from the Painted World have been forced out. Maybe it happened naturally when the painting was fucked, maybe Aldrich/Pontiff found the Painting and tried to get to Priscilla, either way I don't think she's perfectly alright.
>>335667659
I'll leave most of that.
>>335666539
Because the jolly fat knights worship and serve the Angels, the golds are just the top tier members.
>>335667694
Like the Lords of Cinder, we are hollowed. We cannot die due to the curse.
The first cutscene shows us coming out of a casket, meaning we lived in Lothric before the event of DS3.
>>335667693
Nah, Kaathe tried the "not linking the flame" before. I think he figured you needed to stomp that shit out to truly have an age of dark. Thats why they groom the black holes in you, to suck the flame dry and stamp that shit out.
You become a king for it though, better than a pile of ashes imo.
>>335667450
Give the firekeeper eyes and she says even in the dark there will still be embers that may give rise to a new age of fire.
Not sure if that's still possible if you usurp the flame instead of letting it fade, though. That seems like it'd make you a Lord similar to Gwyn/Nito/Witch, just of dark rather than fire.
>>335663592
Londor dlc. you get armor types like yuria and instead of a shield you get a shooting device. they should call it bloodborne 2
>>335667887
Hollowing has been cured by DaS3. That's why you don't turn into beef jerky when you die. the Ashen one is an effigy created from the Ashes of lords past. Ash Unfit even to be Cinder. Your character was never a human to begin with.
So Nameless King is pretty much confirmed for being Gwyn's Son, isnt he? This BTFO of Solaire lovers.
>>335668037
>never a human
Then why do you start with the dark sigil?
>>335668085
>>335668085
>This BTFO of Solaire lovers.
Nah. He may not be Gwyns son but he still makes it to the kiln of the first flame. That is more significant to me.
>>335667791
She's alive happy and safe
>I have her dagger
God what I did still haunts me
>>335666987
MOAR LIEK SHIVA THE DECEASED
>>335668085
MFW my retarded friend won't let go of the "Solaire theory" lmao.
>>335668085
Yep. Everything about him, from visual design to his own item descriptions to the descriptions of other items found there like Ornstein's set pretty much confirm it.
>>335668102
You don't, you have to receive it from the the Pilgrim guy.
>>335660854
The Dark souls world is the same as Earth, our 'world' is just one iteration of the age of fire
Ludleth is an undead from a long time ago in our time and eventually links the flame after the undead curse spreads and society collapses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland
>>335668157
Well yeah I should have specified that it blows the fuck out of Solaire is Gwyn's son head cannon nerds. Solaire is still a pretty cool guy.
>>335668189
Sorry, I meant the darksign. Also the description
>Carriers of the Darksign are reborn after death, and eventually lose their minds, turn Hollow.
>>335668189
Nah, thats the dark sigil you dumbfuck. You do start with the darksign. Play the god damn game instead of going on /v/ shitposting.
>>335668189
He meant the darksign.
I hope some of the DLC shines some light on the untended gravesno pun intendedand what the whole deal there is. All theories seem just like speculation based on almost nothing right now
>>335667390
*inserts dick*
>>335668408
I'd like to see more of Londor, too. Maybe a dark-themed DLC again?
Although I think what really needs more clarification is the deep.
>>335668085
Solaire's armour and equipment in DaS1 BTFO'd that theory to begin with.
>>335667791
It says they kept Gertrude in a lofty cell in the Archives. You find the body and the miracle which she wrote inside a cell with feathers everywhere. The body is Gertrude.
I don't think the Painted World 'leaked out' either so much as information of it and what was in it spread, creating the heretics who somehow turned themselves into crow freaks who were obsessed with the Painted World and Priscilla both.
Yorshka isn't kept in the Painted World because the building and the painting as well are gone, so they instead just kept her at the top of an 'inaccessible' tower. Plus, she speaks fondly of Gwyndolin who - I would imagine seeing as he gave her her chime and all - didn't really mind a crossbreed as much as Gwyn would have, since I imagine Priscilla was drawn into the PW when Anor Londo was still populated, so I doubt she'd have a reason to be so depressed and lonely as to get sucked into the painting too.
Chances are that the painted world is safer than ever now since the actual entryway to get inside is gone forever.
So is one of the DLCs going to reveal to us the fate of my dear beloved Ocelotte?
>>335665205
My issue with that is that red eyes is implied to be the sign of bad case of abyss infection.
And I don't think it's something you can get better from. Which means it doesn't make sense that Gundyr was fully corrupted in the past, but less so in the "present".
>>335667791
What I find weird about the bird people (Corvians?) is that you find them in several places. Road of Sacrifices, Farron Keep, Grand Archives/Lothric Castle, that one in Ithryll, and even in the Untended Graves. What exactly are they?
>>335668408
Also I'd like to see DLC based on more Cathedral of the Deep style inquisitions like the one in the Undead Settlement. That was Berserk as fuck and was so rad.
>>335667134
Parallel universes/timelines would make a lot of sense given the nature the soul series. My personal theory is that the First Flame maintains a near infinite amount of timelines. Each timeline that links the fire just adds more time to the First Flame to exist, however for each timeline that links the fire there are two ore more where the chosen undead either gives up or rejects it. As less and less undead link the fire, the First Flame will eventually die out leaving only the Dark.
>>335668542
yes. raped and murdered. potentially simultaneously or in reverse order.
>>335668486
the deep is just the abyss as interpreted by the church of sulyvahn
>>335668527
>Building housing the painting collapses
>Painting is fucked up
>Painted World is fucked up
Yeah, much safer.
>>335668542
Stillbirth happened from dragon fuckery.
>>335668527
>You find the body and the miracle which she wrote inside a cell with feathers everywhere
I think it should be mentioned that the side of the Twin's room where Lothric is for the first half of the fight is covered in feathers.
>>335668564
he's definitely not "less" corrupted in the present, don't forget he turns into akira at the end of the fight.
So did anybody bother looking down while they were in untended graves? What the fuck is that glowing splotch underneath dark firelink? Is firelink the nexus?
>>335667390
>tag:gangbang, bukkake, skeleton, rape
>>335667659
>>335666696
>>335664881
Here are some other little details that could be taken either way or I otherwise don't feel 100% confident in or can't attach to anything:
>The Snakemen in Dark Souls 3 are the same Snakemen from Dark Souls 1. The Snakemen worship the Dragons as snakes are believed to be "imperfect dragons" and the snakemen most likely believe that if they worship, tend and admire the Dragons they too will become Dragons one day despite their short comings.
>The Snakemen's sorcerers are capable of summoning those who've championed or have some influence with the cult of the Dragons. They may also have been descendents of Seeth The Scaleless sorcerors as they have those little six-eyed masks or something.
>The Dragon Peek is capable of physically moving and does not entirely "exist" as a mountain one fixed place: freely turning into a storm cloud and shifting around from place to place.
>The Snakemen and The LionMen both worship The Nameless king as a god of war: At one point the mountain must have moved through Drangleic "mysteriously bringing" The Lionmen with it and their iconic painted shields.
>The Profaned Flame may or may not be another fire similar to the one the witches of isilith created that spawned demons: a virilent persistent corruption of the first flame or something. Perhaps the demons are looking for it?
>>335668564
I don't think he's less corrupted in the "present" considering halfway through the fight a giant abyss parasite thing bursts out of him and fights you instead. Compared to just having two red eyes but otherwise being himself that seems much worse.
>>335668650
The painting was just a door to a pocket dimension. Destroy the painting and the Painted World is completely cut off.
>>335667661
I will always believe that Dancer was just a cute super huge girl, and Pontiff is an asshole who exiled her to dance and kill shit because he didn't like the royal family.
I am so fucking angry that BANDAI NAMCO hasn't fixed the retrieving latest calibrations issue on Xbox One. I can't stand playing offline it feels so lonely to not see messages everywhere and be unable to invade.
>>335661893
Yhorm's throne doesn't fit
Abyss watchers don't stack up like a troupe of clowns onto their throne
Aldritch is also too big for his
>>335663716
Please make this happen From.
>>335665040
I bet you played it on PS4
>>335668650
We have no way of knowing if the painted world itself is a direct reflection of the condition of the painting physically. Then again, I don't know if the painting guardians were there to guard it from vandalism or just to guard it from stupid fuckers trying to get inside.
>>335668681
Yeah I'm still confused by why the hell there are feathers everywhere by his bed unless him and Lorian had some wild-ass pillow fights.
>>335668569
I wanna say they're connected to velka, but I have no items to base that on
>>335666884
I like it
>>335668789
>the watchers all sit in each other's laps
>everyone tries not to get a boner
>fail
>next day Aldrich sits in his throne and his slime is dyed white
>decides this place is too gay and leaves
DEEPEST LORE
>>335668830
>>335668746
It's called the Painted World for a reason, guys. It's in the name.
>>335668789
Aldrich wasn't always a giant blob of black goo
>dark souls
>lore
I laugh every time soulsfags defend 80% of their games story being attached to sticky notes on shit you pick up.
>>335668843
Well the only thing that could suggest that is crows being tied to Velka and those people turning into crow monsters.
>>335668843
Crow people in the past games were always linked to Velka so it's not entirely baseless.
>>335668704
Damn, nice catch with the six-eye masks, I completely missed that.
>>335668916
>lore
>story
Let's not do this damce, friend
>>335663781
But none of it was plot relevant until they patched in Aldia.
Wait isn't there a painting of Gwynevere in Irithyll?
What if a DLC lets us go back in time via that painting?
>>335668907
It's called the Painted World of Ariamis because Ariamis painted it. the Painted World is Ariamis' rendition of the Dragon Shrine in DaS2.
>>335668490
Solaire's equipment in DS1 simply said it was well-made, but had no magical enhancement properties. If anything that gave credibility to the theory given how much a fucking beast he was in combat.
>>335668915
Yeah, he used to be just a dude then he ate some gods and became a big black goo lord.
Why are sorceries and miracles so shit compared to pyromancies?
>>335668915
But he was when he was made a Lord of Cinder. Crestfallen bro Hawkwood tells you that.
>>335669036
Exactly, he painted it. It's a painting, it's linked to the painting, the painting has guardians. You fuck with the painting, the painted world gets fucked in turn.
>>335668704
Where do you get the idea that archdragon peak can move?
>>335668704
Weren't the lionmen, scorpionmen, elephant knights and all the other beastmen in 2 creations of somebody? Can't remember if it was Aldia, Seath, or that Duke of Tseldora that did it but it was something like that.
>>335668704
I'd have to look at the lions in ds2 again but it looks plausible
also, nameless probably built Dragon Peak after he got exiled
>>335669141
Elephants and Scorpions yes, Lionmen no. They were a primitive barbarian tribe.
>>335668843
The crow people in the painted world were tied to Velka, other Velka items were found in the Painted World, and the Corvians in DaS3 have the scythe that's similar to Priscilla and mentions the painted world. Not really a stretch.
It does say they're heretics, too. Pretty sure worshipping Velka was heretical.
>>335669035
Relic recovered from Anor Londo? I mean there are silver knights around so I'm guessing Irithyll is Anor Londo under new management.
>>335664881
>>335668704
Can't wait to hear Vaati repeat all of that.
>>335664050
"Desert at night" is one of my favorite settings.
So, what drove him to abandon his father, his duties as a God and side with his father's enemies instead?
>>335669252
Which is weird considering all the silver knights in DaS1 were illusions and Gwyndolin is dead now.
>>335669035
There's also a painting of Nashandra, the Throne of Want, and - get this - a painting of an area in the Painted World.
>>335669205
I honestly just thought the lions got together and formed a tribe after all the years passed from them being created.
>>335669252
Basically, Pontiff and Aldrich rocked up to Anor Londo and said 'mine now' after Aldrich set his sights on eating gods and shit.
>>335669285
I like you.
>>335669287
>be badass warrior
>get given a book
>lose book
>everybody mad
>daddy forces you out and disowns you
>run away and fuck dragons for centuries
>>335669287
Dragon ass
>>335669287
He fucked a dragon and fathered Priscilla, maybe?
Although Yorshka calls Gwyn "father", and not in a "holy father" kind of way.
>>335669287
He met a hot gril dragon and betrayed his own for that hot dragon pussy. Classic trope.
>>335669287
Sweet dragon booty
>>335667237
Some giants from DaS II had faces tho.
btw there's also an giant tree on Farron's Keep.
>>335663592
Vendrick mans up and rises from the grave to challenge you for the Lord of Cinder belt.
>>335669374
>Fuck dragon that births Priscilla
>Gwyn finds out
>Casts him out
>Locks Priscilla in a painting
>Makes up some bullshit about Nameless losing the annals of history to explain his banishment
>>335669287
King of the Storm was his boyfriend, obviously.
>>335669382
The capitalization of Father and Sister there make it presumable that she's speaking in a religious sense, though.
>>335669415
Bullshit, there's a giant tree there? Where?
>>335669382
She just repeats what Gwyndolin said.
>>335669458
And then girly boy adopts another dragon girl.
Gwyn would be rolling in his grave if he wasn't a pile of ash.
>>335669287
Nigga I'd betray my family in half a heartbeat for some dragon puss
>>335669313
Who knows, maybe there were real Silver Knights in das that we just never came across. Anor Londo was a big city after all. Maybe some Silver Knights traveled back to Anor Londo with some gods. Aldritch does have the title of Devourer of Gods as in more than one god. I don't know, I hate trying to piece together really minor stuff like this
>tfw noticing the Crystal Sage has a bird beak
I mean that made me instantly like him more but why a bird beak
Actually why the bird shit in the road of sacrifices' first half anyways
what is the meaning of this?
>>335669138
>Where do you get the idea that archdragon peak can move?
During the Meditation cutscene the peek visible moves closer and closer to where you are.
Also following up with this:
>>335669175
>also, nameless probably built Dragon Peak after he got exiled
The Dragon Peek is most likely a "cloud" or "storm" created by The Exiled King or whatever to house/lodge his followers and dragons as well as keep them obscured from hunters and the gods.
>>335669141
>Weren't the lionmen, scorpionmen, elephant knights and all the other beastmen in 2 creations of somebody? Can't remember if it was Aldia, Seath, or that Duke of Tseldora that did it but it was something like that.
The Scorpionmen were possibly created by either Aldia or Seath the Scaleless- most likely Seath.
The Elephant Knights were DEFINITELY created by Aldia.
The Lion Men just mysteriously "appeared" having never been seen before by anyone- I'm connecting them to the Dragon Peek because if you look closely both them and the serpent men on dragon peek use the exact same shield.
My reasoning is the Dragon Peek moved through drangleic collecting followers of the dragon cult and must have left behind a few lion men(?) perhaps? Who the fuck knows.
The Dragon Shrine though in Drangleic was most likely built so high above the clouds so it could intersect and commune with the Dragon Peek as it passed through the area.
>>335669415
im pretty sure thats just a left over that they forgot to remove
>>335669570
I don't even know if it was an adoptive thing so much as 'oh thank god there's someone else to talk to in this place that isn't that obsessive knightess or that giant who can barely talk anyways'
>>335669663
its a plague doctor mask
>>335669663
I think he's supposed to look like a plague doctor, anon.
>>335669663
Its a plague doctor mask you mongoloid.
>>335669670
People trying to put down funny signs in front of the Firekeeper and not thinking ahead to what happens when she moves around.
>>335669670
noce mem xd
>>335669670
heh
>>335669663
The bird-men are heretical story-tellers that are looking for the painted world.
>>335669670
Dark souls was always about loss...
>>335669175
Gwyns firstborn didnt care about Dragons. He cared about War. He wanted the War to continue and Gwyn was just BTFOing dragons left and right.
You can tell Nameless King doesnt care about the Drake he rides as as soon as it is hurt he butchers it.
>>335669732
>>335669707
>>335669727
hey how the fuck am I supposed to know it's a mask
>Leonhard goes to Gwynevere's chambers after killing Rosaria and taking her soul for his own
>when you invade him, he talks about how you, and presumably others, just want to defile her soul
That, combined with his item descriptions, clothes and weapon, which tells us he was once royalty, pretty much sells the idea that he was somehow trying to restore Rosaria's soul to her previous form, that of Gwynevere... or I'm just spewing utter bullshit here and he goes to Gwynevere's chambers for no real reason.
>>335669808
>>335669663
>>335669732
>>335669727
>>335669707
the demons in izalith ruins also have plague doctor masks. there are also ghru
are plague doctor masks just associated with farron? can someone check an see if the other crystal sage in the archives has a plague doctor mask on?
>>335667659
I think Frampt is the one who set up the Lord of Cinder rituals. Ther are statues of him in Lothric, and I think the winged knights and Gertrude were allied with him (or with "angels"). I also heard that the knights are hostile to the winged knights, which makes sense since Lothrics doesn't want to link the flame again.
>>335669696
>use the exact same shield
They don't. The serpent men use a small leather shield and the ancient dragon shield, while the lions used the wargod shield you find in the pit of hollows. Why you find it there, I have no fucking clue.
The Peak also doesn't move, the camera zooms in on it, man.
>>335669873
It's 100% the same model
>>335668756
I've had success doing the download trick. Have you tried that?
Still, From needs to get their shit together on this. Users having to resort to a workaround just to access online functions is fucked.
>>335669837
That isn't Gwynevere's chambers. Her chambers were back in Anor Londo.
Wasn't there supposed to be some new bonfire mechanic where you "sacrificed" bodies or some shit? What happened to that?
>>335669954
eh well there goes my theory, wasnt only one of the crystal sages allied with farron?
>>335669815
>The Nameless King, ally of the ancient dragons, fought beside the Stormdrake in countless battles.
When the great beast fell, the king claimed his soul, as was the custom in the age of the gods.
Storm Curved Sword item description.
>>335669287
>Dark Souls Sunlight Blade description:
Miracle wielded by Lord Gwyn's firstborn.
Boost right weapon with rays of Sun.
The power of sunlight, manifested as
lightning, is very effective against dragons.
When the eldest son was stripped of his
deific status, he left this on his father's
coffin, perhaps as a final farewell.
Seems like Gwyn's firstborn was exiled after Gwyn went to link the flame since the firstborn placed this on his tomb.
I don't have any theories just this small detail caught my eye.
>>335669831
By not being literally retarded you nignog.
>>335663592
We still need to meet the primordial serpents one last time, maybe have a rematch with a buffed up Manus, meet the Furtive Pygmy if its actually a separate entity.
Do you think Frampt, or possibly the Bearer of the curse, fucked with the cycle somehow?
I mean, all the mechanisms of hollowing and humanities and shit like that no longer exists, and instead people form Londor are refered to as hollows. Which is strange, since they should collect humanities like a motherfucker.
Also, they have to pull some wild shit to "usurp the flame", whatever that means. I guess dark sigils are a symbol of power or something?
And there's something about the eclipse, I'm not sure what it represents. It's a dark circle enclosed by a light outline - like the darkness has been sealed away/constrained by the light?
>>335669979
>Her chambers were back in Anor Londo.
Anon, I'm talking about where you invade him, which is Gwynevere's chambers. The Black Eye Orb gets active and lets up a prompt once you're there.
>>335670017
Yes both used to be in the Archives together but one defected to the Legion at some point for some reason
>>335669382
I hope the DLC expand on who Yorshka is. As it currently stand she just seems to be a another "hey remember that character from DaS1". There is a theory that Yorshka is Ocelotte, but I don't think there actually any in game lore that supports that.
>>335669519
Sorry, i can only remember it's on the right side of the poison swamp.
I'm not bullshiting you tho. Next time i play i will search for it again and take a screen.
>>335670070
Hey I got fucking demons and shit in this game and deformed people in general
and people turning into fucking birds in the area just prior. It's fair for me to assume that the Crystal Sage was turning into a fucking bird faggot too.
>>335669837
The miracle you get is one that Gwynevere wrote and handed out to her handmaidens, its one of the two that you find on the octopus-maidens in the first game. The other one you get from Dancer's soul who is, apparently, a daughter of Gwyn or at least one of Gwyn's line, so if anything, Rosaria is just related to Gwynevere in some way.
>>335669815
He did the same thing that Ornstein did to Smough, it was just a power transfer kind of thing, like fusing souls. Also helps that Ornstein was his first knight and was likely trained by Nameless.
>>335670140
Oh I'm retarded. Maybe you're on to something.
>>335670137
darksign
>>335669837
I think it's more likely that she's related to Gwynevere than anything else. We found Gwynevere's miracles on two of Seathe's squid monsters, but those were just mutated maidens not Gwynevere herself. We can make a Gwynevere miracle out of the Dancer's soul but, again, no one is claiming the Dancer is Gwynevere.
Gwynevere had lot's of kids. Maybe Rosaria is one of them. Rosaria also can't speak, and Gertrude "The Heavenly Daughter" is said to be unable to speak in the Pillars of Light miracle.
>>335670275
>>335670210
Yeah, her being related to Gwynevere makes sense.
Guess it's just a false trail, Leonhard going to Gwynevere's chambers, that made me consider the assumption that she might be Gwynevere herself in some new twisted form.
>>335670209
Its not a totally far off assumption, but seeing as how the bird beak is a piece of clothing that you can get its safe to assume the sages aren't transforming, just wearing spoopie bird masks.
>>335670209
If you went to a proper school with history classes, you would have seen a plague doctor mask..... It looks exactly the same as a IRL PD mask.
>>335669696
>During the Meditation cutscene the peek visible moves closer and closer to where you are.
Pretty sure that's just the FOV shrinking for dramatic effect.
>>335666843
>Because he's just so fucking nice, it totally ruins the emo atmosphere of the game.
Like the firekeeper, Andre, Greirat, Siegward, Yoel, Orbeck, Karla and Anri?
>>335669702
I don't know m8. There another one in the memories.
>>335670209
The plague doctor mask is a pretty iconic piece of pop culture knowledge, millions of properties have used it and it is weird that you didn't recognize it.
>>335670137
Didn't the ending for DaS2 implied that the Bearer of the curse found a cure for hollowing.
>>335670186
Ocelotte is a boy, and also it can be assumed that Ocerios was actually carrying him, but it was invisible.
You hear crying and shit, and when he changes phases he literally slams his invisible baby into the ground in a fit of rage.
no more crying.
>>335670368
Leonhardt might be deluding himself into thinking she's Gwynevere, or at least taking her soul to the place where it 'originated'.
so what's the deal with the Undead Settlement?
I've seen people say all the dead bodies are sacrifices but then why are many of them tortured or burning in piles?
WHO IS YORSHKA'S DADDY
IF GWYN THEN WHY IS HER FACE ALL FUCKED UP
I know the last boss was just fanservice but I got the chills when I head the piano
if it was anamalgamation of the previous lords of cinderwhat aspect ofLudlethdoes it demonstrate?
>>335670368
I think he just goes to her chamber because he is an old princess guard member. At least that's what I like to think going by what he says during the fight.
>>335670512
Oh thats pretty fucking dark. Didn't notice that.
>>335670489
Of course I know what a plague doctor mask is, but I didn't think it was an actual mask, just a design choice.
>>335670512
Motherfucker done Liu Bei'd that child
What a benevolent king
>>335670461
>Be Safe!
I just want to hug that silly looking pilgrim once before he dies, but I cannot.
>>335669628
>Aldritch does have the title of Devourer of Gods as in more than one god.
Nito
You can see his skeletons
>>335670534
The Evangelists used fire to "cleanse" undead of their curse
So by killing the Bed of Chaos in DaS 1 did the Chosen Undead accidentally all of the demons over the course of thousands of years?
>>335670534
cause undead cant really die, so either they pile up em up in these cages or burn them in bonfires as cinder, the only way an undead stays dead
>>335670575
Oh, well that is pretty understandable.
>>335670210
Or hear me out.
Ornstien is the one you fight.
No hes not Gwyns Firstborn, but with the fire fading, the gods powers were weakening, causing Gwyndolin, and NK to become Ill and weak.
Ornstien armour just says he went to find NK, not that he had any vendetta. It seems the opposite, as NK was his master for awhile there. There has to be some sort of Loyalty, especially if hes abandoning his post when CU is on a rampage in Lordran.
I think Ornstien took up the Armor and title when Gwynson became Ill. Its why you find Ornstiens armor just on the ground with no bodies around it.
>>335670491
Well, for himself - the crowns. Doesn't stop the actual curse of the cycle, as far as I know.
>>335670534
Burial, anon. Pretty much every piece of gear or item you find in the undead settlement mentions that that sort of thing was being done to make sure that the undead would stay dead and not get up and go hollow. Of course that didn't work out since the people PERFORMING the rituals went hollow, the evangelists came in and got them to start moving sacrifices to Aldrich, and they ended up forgetting all about the rituals.
>>335670654
>>335670668
but where did the Evangelists come from?
>>335670658
I think? In 2 the chaos seems really out of fucking control with Ileum Loyce.
>>335664000
A desert and a jungle are two things I really want in the DLC, but I doubt we'll get them.
>moss covered enemies that hide against moss covered surfaces
>tree villages with rickety bridges
>giant trapdoor spiders
>tribe that worships remains of one of the OG dragons
>that dragon rises from the ground as a lump of moss, gradually shaking the moss off during the fight and moving more
>legit mummy enemies that try to bind you, and collapse as a pile of cloth when defeated
>ancient ruins with poison rooms, maybe puzzles but it's not very suitable for Souls games
>sandstorm area with what appears to be women shambling around, singing
>Oasis' that often fade away as you get closer
>boss could be a guy with hooked blades that rides a giant, raggedy jackal or something
>killing his jackal knocks him off, he turns his blades and runs on all fours, moving faster and bouncing around
Just make those the optional bosses of each area, because each DLC needs multiple bosses.
>>335670542
Dunno about him being a princess guard member, his items say he's part of nobility/royalty.
>Garb of Ringfinger Leonhard.
>Leonhard was born into royalty, which is believed to be the reason for his skill in both sorcery and swordsmanship.
>Indeed this dingy garb is in fact embroidered with gold thread, betraying its purpose as military wear designed for a noble.
>>335670635
i mean, he also fucking fights with the ravelord sword
>>335670741
read their armor description turdmongler
>>335670512
>>335670606
>>335670565
When he slams it into the ground there's also that burst of whatever, like when you crush some souls.
I'd say the baby was definitely there.
>>335670635
Woudn't Nito be dead before that though? You have to kill him in Das1. I suppose he could have consumed the corpse.
>>335660854
No wonder none of the lords wanted to go to their thrones, they would die either way. thats bullshit
>>335670741
Cathedral of the Deep, they worked with others to gather 'food' for Aldrich.
>>335670658
I think the demons were still gonna die. I mean, BoC only brithed them, the flame was still around. Possibly there were no new demons spawning, but the flame would probably fade anyway.
Priscilla is the lover or of Nameless King. That's why he betrayed hus father to side with the dragons and locked her away. Yorshka may be NK and Priscilla's daughter raised by gwyndolin as his sister long after Gwyn left.
As to how Priscilla came to be in the first place, I'd assume humanity had to do with it. Her been directly linked with humanity while not being completely human could explain the role of level up maiden she was originally intended to have.
I like to think that BK betrayed his father for love, but it was still a hard choice for him, which is why he grieves for his father's departure and leaves the miracle on his grave.
>>335670658
Nah the demons roaming about before you showed up and continued to roam about after you were done.
Until Ivory King went in and slapped the chaos hard enough for every demon to be too afraid of coming out during the events of 2.
![tumblr_mavmco3YeE1qg6u8yo1_500[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/zpwUb0p.gif "tumblr mavmco3YeE1qg6u8yo1 500[1]"){kind=small}
>>335670778
>>335670870
thanks doc
>>335670434
>>335669916
You're both right, I'm wrong. I just finished watching a youtube video to review the are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1NM4BV6tWI
I have no idea how I fucked that up so badly, but you're 100% right, thank you for pointing that out.
does anyone else think Archdragon Peak is a dream?
you're never shown travelling there, rather you do the gesture and then your head sinks as if falling asleep
>>335670741
Aldrich's church, "guiding" undead to the road of sacrifice to become Al's dinner
>>335670827
nah
>>335670790
I always thought it was weird you could kill Nito anyways. He is literally death. I guess you could beat him to the point where you could take his souls and just leave him as a bundle of skeletons.
>>335670827
Refer to>>335670069
Either Mia forgot about this or you are flat out wrong, Nameless was exiled AFTER gwyn "died" in the kiln
>>335670658
I think it is stated that the Chaos flame that the Witch of Izalith created died a long time ago and while there are still demons, it's all that's left. There's no new ones.
>>335670767
And his other item descriptions also mention of him wanting to restart his life, to serve her goddess as a knight.
What he was in life, royal or otherwise is irrelevant.
>>335670765
That sounds dope as fuck dude.
>>335670635
didnt nito die in 1?
>>335670827
it was either seat x gwynevere
or nameless x dragonlady
>>335670512
>Believing blind crazy dragon man
I don't think Oceiros is the best source of information on the baby.
>>335670914
You hear a roar of some kind right after the screen fades out. Made me think a dragon grabbed you and took you.
>>335670960
Just because you're the avatar of death doesn't mean death doesn't exist and shit without you.
in fact, Nito became the lord of death by being the first person ever to die, like yeah fuck this guys check this out I'm gonna kill myself and become like the fucking grim reaper you've never heard of
>>335671017
Nito died long before DaS1
>>335670778
>>335670818
>>335670926
so could it be possible that all the dead bodies are those that resisted or were deemed heretics?
I doubt Aldritch wanted to eat corpses when he specifically ate Gwyndolin while he was alive
>>335671091
gods is gods, nigga, dead or alive
Gertrude, daughter of the Lothric line, is Gwynevere's daughter.
Let's review some item descriptions.
From the Winged Knight set
>Worship of the divine messengers was viewed as heresy in Lothric and unrecognised by any of the Three Pillars of rule. This is believed to be why Gertrude, the Heavenly Daughter, was imprisoned in the lofty cell of the Grand Archives.
From the Divine Pillars of Light miracle
>The Queen's holy maiden Gertrude was visited by an angel, who revealed this tale to her. Despite losing both her sight and her voice, she was determined to record the tale. Ordinary men cannot decipher her fragmentary scrawl, nor comprehend how it became the foundation of the Angelic faith of Lothric.
From the Bountiful Light miracle
>Miracle taught to knights by Gertrude, holy maiden to the Queen. The Heavenly Daugher is said to be the Queen's child.
So the item descriptions outright mention that Gertrude is said to be the Queen's daughter and the same item that says that, Bountiful Light, is derivative of the Bountiful Sunlight miracle in DaS1 which was one of Gwynevere's miracles which she gave to her maidens. That's enough to confirm the connection and explain Gertrude's "Heavenly Daughter" title. What I'm wondering is why faith in the gods was seen as heretical in Lothric?
Let's assume the angel that visited Gertrude was Frampt, since we can see all the statues of the primordial serpent with angel's wings in Lothric Castle and we know Frampt was allied with the gods. Why would Lothric dislike him and the gods but still want to link the fire? Was Oceiros just that much of an asshole that he wanted it all to be about him and his line rather than Gwyn? Did Gwynevere run out on him after he went fucking insane and started experimenting on his kids?
>>335671001
*his goddess
I also think the obsession he has with Rosaria's soul is most likely just because Rosaria is somehow related to Gwynevere.
He is pretty much going undercover with the Fingers just to get the soul from Rosaria.
>>335670016
DLC
>>335671091
Before Aldrich became slime he may have been less picky although he would probably want people with stronger souls so those lacking would get the torture and torch.
>>335671025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSV2EGJLRgs#t=2m28s
He physically crushes something though, and it explodes in a burst of white fog.
>>335670765
DESERT
FUGGIN
SORCERESS'
>implying patches isn't the one true dark soul
>>335669415
The devs have stated that the giants were originally supposed to have faces like those but it was changed and this is a remnant.
>>335660854
lol i dont give a fuck he makes weapons for me and has a soul of cinder or whatever that i takeyeah im one of those edgelords that stabbed waifu in the face and stole the flame forever and what bitches
>>335670914
Maybe an astral projection/ out of body experience of sorts? If you Attack the other knights they still bleed and aren't just empty armors. So maybe their minds "died" there leaving behind empty bodies.
>>335667380
>Estus Flash
>Estus Flashs
>>335671045
No, I think his title "First of the Dead" was more of a matter of station, as in he was considered the First or highest of all dead motherfuckers.
>>335671242
>he doesnt even have a soul of cinder, or any soul for that matter. If you kill him he just comes back
>>335671212
Patches is Tom Bombadil
Lords of Cinder more like Lords of Retard
What I would do would be to first create a lottery to decide the order of the lords to go link the flame. We would have 4 age of fires, 5 if we could find an army to carry ludleth to the kiln cause he seems useless. During these ages of fire the unkindled one would venture out hunting all research on the curse and the fire/dark cycles from the age of gwyn up to now and find a way to merge light and dark into an everlasting twilight where good and evil light and darkness live exist in harmony in the world.
Also keep some undead legion alive cause fuck the abyss man, make them train more people cause fuck the abyss
>>335671198
that art is ugly as sin
>>335671268
Nah, he was literally the first person to die.
Before the flame, there was no life or death, just meaningless existence.
Flame comes into existence, people can die. Nito died, and being the first one ever he became its avatar or some shit.
>>335670512
The crying continues until the boss fight is over though.
>>335671298
actually finish the game before posting pls
What is this Book-of-Revelations, nightmare-fuel shit happening near the end of the game?
>>335671337
It was the first one in the folder that was sfw
>>335671445
>katana
throw yourself off a cliff
>>335671445
What the fuck are the branch dragons that attack you during the Dragonslayer Armor?
>>335671445
pilgrim butterflies are the pilgrim dudes that are petrified everywhere.
If you look closer they have root like protrusions going out of their shells.
>>335671445
You know all those dead tree people from the high wall? They got better.
>>335671445
>>335671520
Those things flying around are pilgrim butterflies. If you go back to the first level of Lothric you'll see those praying hollow dudes are slowly turning into them. They control the Dragonslayer Armor somehow, says so in his soul's description.
>>335671520
I think its the dystopian, the world is really going into shit, version of a moonlight butterfly
>>335671445
the curse is tied to the fire and the dark
>>335671445
Most likely has something to do with the Abyss.
Why? Because one of those things is controlling the Dragonslayer Armour and what ya know, that boss takes extra damage from weapons that deal more to the creatures of the Abyss.
>>335671478
That one is even worse.
>>335671445
>>335671520
These are both good questions that I haven't heard much about yet. Someone said the branch dragons "hatch" out of dead pilgrims like big hollow eggs or something.
>>335662008
He boot too big for he gotdamn feet
>>335668830
Some item description SOMEWHERE told me the princes locked up Gertrude at the top of the archives. So she was probably a harpy bootycall.
>>335660854
>Its why he is burnt.
Are you stupid? Dumb question.
>>335668527
i think the pontiff put Yorshka in the tower so he could feed her to the goo man later.
>>335671647
What? No. The Angels were not part of the Three Pillars and were viewed as heretical. That's why she was in a cage.
>>335671037
but From has always explicitly shown us when someone gets picked up and flown away
note how the sky in Arch dragon Peak also doesn't change to the bleeding sun too
>>335670512
>no more crying.
I'm pretty sure you do still hear a few faint cries afterwards
>>335671445
pilgrim butterflies
proto-dragons, because the age of dark is coming and thus an age of dragons
>>335671131
The faith of the gods isn't heretical, the lightning urn says they worshipped the Sun. Worship of the Angels was heretical.
>>335671634
>>335671589
Picky picky
>>335671520
I always saw them as dragon nervous systems.
>>335671742
Age of Ancients will never happen again since with fire came the Dark and that's never leaving.
>>335671198
They should've have desert sorceress skellies in the catacombs. Would've been hilarious.
>>335670512
oceiris is the one making the sounds. the dudes crazy as fuck and makes the cries all throguht the fight
>Still no good rule34 of the Firekeeper
>Still no SFM/Blender model
>Still no Doll model
>Only a handful of people use the Maiden in Black and Emerald Herald models
EXPLAIN THIS LOREFAGS
>>335671742
I think you mean an age of deep sea.you drowned
>>335670658
>that Old Demon King living amongst endless piles of demon corpses
Pretty sad
Ahh, you ignorant slaves. Finally taken notice have you? Of the power of my beloved Ocelotte, child of dragons.
Well, I will not give him up. For he is all that I have.
>>335671873
thatd be pretty cool
>>335671416
>literally no skull
>just his crown and robe
Maybe actually know your facts before speaking up
>>335670765
we are gonna get another castle and more lava
>>335671873
Deep = the Abyss
>>335671808
we don't really know if that's true though
it could be that the age of dark is a temporary age before the world reverts to the age of ancients
>>335670765
Oooh, paint me a picture of what the jungle biome would be like
>>335671820
>Still wearing the metal bras strapped tightly to their skellington ribs.
As long as I can get the outfit I'll take it. The hood looked good with a lot of armors.
>>335671938
Aldrich's soul specifically refers to an age of deep sea.
>>335671923
Forgot pic
He even says you only need 5 to re-create the first linking
Yhorm
Abyss watchers
Lothric
Aldrich
Ashen one
Thats 5.
dlc is probably going to be split in kaathe land (londor) and frampt land(some angelic place)
>>335671753
Why dislike the angels, then?
Also, I think Gertrude may have been the Dancer.
From the Dancer's soul
>The Pontiff Sulyvahn bestowed a double-slashing sword upon a distant daughter of the formal royal family, ordering her to serve first as a dancer, and then as an outrider knight, the equivalent to exile.
From her armor set
>The mirage-like aurora veil is said to be an article of the old gods, permitted only for direct descendants of the old royal family.
Her soul can be used to make the Soothing Sunlight miracle, another of Gwynevere's miracles which are "bestowed on her maidens".
Taking into account that Gertrude's items mention her being a maiden to the Queen, a likely child of the Queen, and the Divine Blessing description that says the Queen was initially revered as a goddess of fertility and bounty, I think Gertrude was snatched from her cage by the Pontiff and is actually the Dancer.
>>335671992
Yes that is what he believes the Abyss to be.
>>335671198
>sweaty jiggly tits
>slut clothes
Clearly a different game from the other soul games
>>335671938
Deep magic is separate to Abyss magic
Is there any reason at all to send Greirat to pillage Lothric Castle? Seems nothing good comes of it.
>>335672020
Ashen one is nto a lord of cinder, you dumbfuck.
>>335671992
Something else of Aldrichs also refers to the age of deep water taking place after the fire goes out.
>>335672020
dude you are just the catalyst to deliver them.
>>335672078
Deep dark?
>>335671639
>no feet to snake his boot
wew
>>335671764
>>335671634
>>335671478
>>335671198
>tfw farmed the hot bitches for half-hour just to get the outfit
>tfw it exposed the manly shoulders female body model has.
almost killed myself
>>335671992
>Deep Sea
>New Age
>Old Ones
>Kos washes up from the ocean
Bloodborne 2 confirmed
Magic users on suicide watch
>>335672084
Of course he isnt you fucking moron.
Lord of Cinder is someone who linked the fire.
Gwyn wasnt a Lord of Cinder until he cast the Lord soul into the flame.
Get off the fucking wiki
>>335672079
You get expanded wares from the ashen maiden once you get his ashes. All of his shit plus some nice stuff like exploding crossbow bolts.
>>335665205
What does the Fire even mean in the Dark Souls series? It feels like people are scared of letting it fade but is linking it once again even making things better? I've never played the other games.
>>335672032
>Why dislike the angels, then?
Because the angels don't have anything to do with the Gods, probably. Everything with wings is incredibly evil in this game, after all.
>>335671742
>Proto-dragons
I thought they would be too!
>>335672181
Lord of cinder is someone strong enough to link the fire. They didn't have to actually link it.
>>335672032
there's literally a corpse holding a miracle in Gertrude's cage
>>335672169
don't remind me please anon
>>335672181
So Lothric has amnesia and forgot that he linked the flame?
>>335670713
Ornstein just had mild lightning powers, though. NK had straight up sunlight spears and shit. As I recall you find the dragonslayer armor on a body, and his spear sunk into a wood gate some distance away, which makes me think that Ornstein went off to find NK for some reason, and NK blew him the fuck out when he got there.
>>335672169
You gotta tone down the chest and arm sizes and definitely don't pick muscular when making a souls waifu.
>>335672216
>those fat golden bastards above the archives
They were kinda funny
>>335671131
I been thinking about the implications of the Serpent statues in Lothric and it seems to me that at least one serpent (I'm guessing Frampt) became the subject of worship in Lothric when they found out that Oceiros's secondborn was destined to become a Lord of Cinder. The serpents crippled Price Lothric before he was even born and slowly destroyed the kingdom from the inside. When Lothric rejected his duties as a Lord of Cinder, the First Flame desperately revived the former Lords of Cinder and when they rejected it, it leads to you being awaken in the beginning of the game.
>>335670827
Wasn't Priscilla created by or daughter of Seath?
>>335672020
Then why does he scream in his sleep about being burnt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koCVr5mg6mw
>>335672245
>>335672269
This arguement again.
Emma even says we have to convince Lothric to become a Lord.
>>335672330
There's more than just two serpents anyway.
>>335672382
>kill him
>LORD OF CINDER DESTROYED
>receive ashes of a lord of Cinder
>b-b-b-but he's not a Lord of Cinder because muh wiki
>>335672213
The fire is literally fire. It's the first fire ever, before it came into being there was nothing in the world but fog, trees, and immortal dragons. Fire introduced disparities like heat and cold, life and death, light and dark. The gods found their powerful souls within the first flame, and when the first flame starts to fade everything starts going to shit and the dark starts getting more influence.
>>335672298
Why does everyone think NK killed Ornstien? What motive does he have to kill him, especially after Ornstien betrayed Gwyn by abandoning Anor Londo
>>335672213
the first flame was a thing that just existed suddenly and with it things like life and death became a thing.
The thing is there's nothing stopping you from just lighting up something so the age of dark wouldn't be all that dark, just without the first flame.
I mean you have the fucking sun
>>335672358
Read the OP, then read the Skull ring.
>>335672330
Do we know it was a serpent/"angel" that crippled the Prince? If so, why would they do that after doing stuff like telling Gertrude divine miracles about the gods?
>>335672245
>>335672269
>>335672424
Lothric was destined to be a Lord of Cinder but he didn't become one (his robes say this)
he has the soul of a LoC in the same way a prince has the divine right of kings
>>335670741
Demon's Souls
>>335672213
Linking the fire lets life continue as it has for centuries while letting the age of Dark happen means everyone reverts back to mindless hollows until the Flame resurges.
>>335665496
It's latin, you pronounce it like a french person would with the french U sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCF2Dw8tPA8
>>335670539
The aspect of being crippled after fighting you.
>>335670713
Doesn't the fact that there is no body where you pick the armor lean more toward Ornstein siding with his old master upon finding him and becoming one of the many meditating dragonkin. I mean you do have to take off your armor in game to use the Dragon stones.
>>335672532
>Do we know it was a serpent/"angel" that crippled the Prince?
Well, Lothric has weird Seath fingers and has feathers in his room, like Oceiros' feathered wings. Oceiros got his Seath infatuation from The Scholars, who have the Primordial serpent statues.
>>335672169
iktf
I hope we get some fanservice now that the female body isn't so manly.
>>335672663
The serpent statues are up in the archives, true, but the scholars seem way, way more interested in Seath than anything else.
>>335672483
>you have the fucking sun
Did you not look at the sky at all during the end game? The sun was being blocked out and dying.
>>335672084
>>335672424
>Lord of cinder is someone who has a strong enougj soul to link the flame!
>NO WAY IS ASHEN ONE A LORD OF CINDER
Isnt one of the endings Ashen one linking the flame? Implying his Soul is strong enough making him a Lord of Cinder
Ludleth is not a Lord of cinder. He did not link the flame. Hes a fraud.
If anything, Ashen one is probably Ludleth the Exiled.
Only 5 are needed, he says so himself.
Being a Lord of Cinder has nothing to do with linking the flame. Neither Aldrich or Lothric had linked the flame previously.
>>335671873
Kind of neat that they threw in a third contender for next age. Hopefully they expand on it more in the DLC. We haven't explore Dark Soul's oceans yet and given what lives in our deep oceans, there is properly some scary shit living in theirs.
>>335671091
Can someone explain to me how Gwyndolin is even alive to be eaten when I killed his ass in DS1?
>>335672906
Hydras and man eating clams were bad enough
>>335672942
Canonically you didn't kill him in Dark Souls 1. he was optional and thus they decided that you didn't bother him in terms of canon.
>>335672820
cant be Lud cause Lud is male even if you create a female character, that would be interesting though.
A friend of mine claims that ornstein travelled to the peak to find his old master where he embraced the dragon worship cult faggotry and ultimately turned into a dragon, he's the storm dude NK is mounting. Sapping his strength while he's dying is prolly a technique NK tought ornstein. Seems silly to me tho
>>335672942
Multiple parallel universes. What do you think player phantoms are?
>>335672872
>Being a Lord of Cinder has nothing to do with linking the flame. Neither Aldrich or Lothric had linked the flame previously.
You are correct, but for the wrong reasons.
Being a lord of cinder has more to do with acknowledging you as a qualified person to link the flame.
Out of the lord of Cinders only Yhorm and The Little Lord Ludleth had linked a flame before.
If you've already linked the flame once than you automatically qualify as a lord of cinder obviously.
>>335670469
>69 Human Effigy
heh
>>335671131
The statues depicting the serpent, have a hollow "heart". I don't think it is Frampt but pretty sure it is Kaathe. Frampt wanted the undead to link the fire, something that Lothric refuse. At least Kaathe "believed" in humans in a limited way.
Also the whole archives are about knowledge and knowing what is up with the linking of the fire, the first Scholar taught Lothric about it.
>>335673017
Why does Lud have to be male?
The guy sitting on Ludleths throne is a fraud
>>335672942
Its either noncanon for the chosen undead to kill Gwyndolin or its becauseTIME IS CONVOLUTED
I don't get why people keep saying that they're glad DaS2 lore isn't canon. It's got as much to do with the DaS3 lore as DaS1 has. Fuck, even the most basic principle is the lords of cinder ascending to their THRONES. And breaking the cycle, something that was set up in DaS2.
>>335672942
I don't know, how could a master of illusion possibly be alive after you killed him?
>>335673173
Or Gwyndolin just used his illusion magic to pull a fast one.
>>335671964
I haven't thought much about it, but I'll try to explain what I do have in mind.
The Great Hollow and Ash Lake are now dense jungles. The Great Hollow has more structures, because a tribe worships the Ancient Dragon that is now buried under a thick cushion of moss in the deeper parts. Descending Great Hollow, crossing rickety bridges that sway, everything draped in vibrant green vines, sunlight bursting through breaks in the tree, you reach Ash Lake. It's now a traditional looking jungle, the trees are less sparse, and you can cross parts of the lake because it's now all solid floor. Thick branches curve over head, and some parts of the Hollow's village has carried on out here, sitting in the trees overhead. Plants grow tall, their leaves the size of your body.
>enemies can hide on the underside of these leaves
Moss climbs up everything, and enemies can 'peel' from it to expose theirself before they attack. The ground level is inhabited by creatures that focus on using ambushes. Above, in the village and across the large branches, you can cross between trees and face the tribes people.
You can also descend a little deeper than the jungle's apparent ground, to a small cavern that water drips in to and vines dangle from the cieling of, not sure what could be here. Eventually though, the jungle comes to a big clearing, this is where you fight the dragon, it rises from the ground looking like something out of SotC.
I have more in mind, but I'm hungry and need to go cook.
>>335673210
>master of illusion still alive
>absorbed and converted his self titled soul into sweet loot
>>335673129
Considering the DaS1 endings, we don't know what the fuck those serpents really wanted. And they were never addressed again. I kinda expect they'll be the focus for some DaS3 dlc. I'm pretty sure either way that they're rusemastering fucks. Even their names imply they are older than Gwyn, the Giants and Humanity.
>>335673129
Only the Princes refused to link the fire. The King was so obsessed with making an heir to live up to the lord of cinders shit that he went dragon crazy.
I mean the serpent being Kaathe makes sense for that side of things. Looking at the pillars of light miracle again it doesn't say anything about it being a miracle of the old gods. In fact it says it was the foundation of the entire Angelic faith. I guess it was Kaathe trying to fuck things up.
>>335673343
>serpents
They were cameo'd as a statue in Lothric Castle. By the golden Winged Fuccboi Knights on the rooftop I believe.
>>335673312
Gwyn could split his soul. Or you received someone else's soul disguised as Gwyndolins soul. Or whatever the fuck other reason you want to make up, there's literally hundred ways that could have gone down.
>>335673376
Kaathe didn't have anything to do with Lothric not wanting to link the fire. the First Scholar was Aldia.
>>335673173
this lore is becoming convoluted
>>335673415
Yeah, I know. Only raises more questions though. It's either just a fun nod to das1, or it's implied they continued to influence events after das1. Maybe one was even friends and advisor to whatever his name was before he went mad, the Consumed King. Primordial is an odd name to attach to them. Not even the Lords were primordial. Where did they come from?
>>335672906
>Underwater combat in Dark Souls
No thanks
>>335664881
>>335666696
>>335667659
>>335668704
I have one more insight or idea to share before I basically run out of things to say or talk about:
>"The Deep" is not "The Abyss".
>The Deep refers to a darkness that is deeper and heavier than that created by the humanity present in humans.
>The Deep was first envisioned by Aldritch who's dream depicted an all-consuming third age an age of the "sea" that was foreign to the age of darkness or fire or even of the primordial dragons and their mist.
>The Deep seems to be associated with the very, very, bottom of the world, the "bedrock": the stillness of souls inspired Archdeacon McDonnell to create the "Deep Soul" Sorcery and Aldritch Faithful servants collect something called "Human Dreg" which is supposed to be the heaviest part of a human.
>Also Aldritch and his clergy have blue "water-like" souls.
That's uh... That's all I've got.
It's some sort of darkness or deep, deep'ness that's beyond the Abyss and darker than humanity or maybe even perhaps completely foreign to the dark soul all together.
It mind sound silly, but perhaps the "Ocean" or Water itself is some sort of "Deep Soul" like how Humanity is the "Dark Soul"?
Just a thought.
>>335673415
>>335673551
I think the placement of the serpent statues around that cage implies thats they were the 'angel' that spoke to that bird woman.
>>335673343
Well like you said, we know from their primordial titles that they're old as fuck, likely older than the first flame itself, and Kaathe at least professes to know exactly what went down as early as when the first flame was initially discovered.
What DaS3 does give us is the serpent ring descriptions that say that serpents basically amounted to incomplete or failed dragons. Maybe the primordial serpents were the evolutionary failures of the everlasting dragons?
>>335673426
Do we really have anything that supports Aldia being the First Scholar other than just the title Scholar? Is he actually mentioned anywhere? And Aldia may not have wanted the fire linked but he also didn't want the dark either, and it seemed like the prince was content to just let the fire fade.
Does anyone know if it's canon that Solaire is dead now?
>>335673690
well water is the opposite of fire
>>335673690
It doesn't sound silly. If Fire can be an important soul thing then Water sure as hell can, too.
>>335668527
I don't think Irithyl is due to the painting leaking, or even that Irithyl and Anor Londo are part of the same region. Both the opening cinematic and the pyromancer's word confirm that the fire-linking lands are transitory and converging. We can see this at play in the kiln. I think both the profaned capital and irithyl are built over eleum loyce. profaned capital items mention an oracle (alsanna was titled as an oracle in DS2) and a both areas deal with a chaos/profaned flame deep below. Most of Anor Londo is straight up missing, as if it just appeared. We already know that Undead Settlement and the High Walls aren't from the same region. The High Walls are just mentioned as cutting off contact with the undead settlement. That doesn't sound like normal wall building to suddenly lose contact. Furthermore Carthus is a desert and the catacombs, which are presumably part of Carthus, are below a forest.
I think the Kiln is acting as a black hole to get relinked and its dragging lands where a fire linker has died together to get one to link the fire.
>>335673586
The combat doesn't have to underwater per say. The DLC could easily have you explore the Dark Souls version of Atlantis, which fell due to its worship of the Deep.
>>335673690
Just wait.
Next game is Deep Souls
>>335673790
He's either dead or fucking around as you find shit that belongs to him next to pots of delicious Estus Soup.
At least it's confirmed that he's not Gwyn's firstborn, he was just a weirdo, and vaatifags were btfo
>>335673793
You and the poster in your image are misreading the quote. It's saying that the description of Soul Geyser in Dark Souls 2 is erroneous. That's the one that calls it a family heirloom, the quote is claiming that it should've read as Aldia's legacy instead.
>>335673586
>>335673843
It could also be like Journey where they make the illusion of you being underwater when you're not really.
They pulled that shit of really well
>>335663592
A proper wedding ceremony and wedding night.
Marriage isn't official until consummation occurs.
>>335673843
>>335673859
Salt and Sanctuary
>>335668542
He's going to be an orphan of kos like boss
>>335674024
>Salt and Sanctuary
>what is souls + 2D indiefaggotry
>>335673551
>Where did they come from?
The Abyss.
>>335668542
Maybe Gwynevere took him with her when she left. Divine Blessing description says she left right after he was born.
Man, I'd really like to see the actual Gwynevere before the series is over.
>>335674254
>actual Gwynevere
>hollowed, shriveled mess, made worse due to the sun being fucked up
>>335673824
Adding to this theory. I think Farron's keep is suppose to be from Lordran, there are unusual amounts of references to Dark Souls 1 in that area. Its the first area where you encounter a black knight. There are murals depicting Nito, the witch, and the 4 kings at each of the fire you put out, and it is heavily implied to be the place when the real Havel died to a demon. The Abyess watchers are also implied to be the earliest Lord of Cinder in the game.
I think Gwynevere marries and bares the children of the king with the biggest castle after each linking.
>>335674254
How about a picture of all those unknown gods that still don't have character designs like Flame God Flann.
Why is a God of Flame so unconcerned with everything happening around him when all that shit involves fucking fire?
Like where the fuck are the gods escaping too and why can't I go to the same place as them despite the fact I have the ability to break into dimensions and shit.
>>335671742
You're fucking retarted.
I hate you.
You're probably underage too.
>>335673690
>>335673690
it's doesn't sound silly at all. The thing I always like to come back to is the fact that ALL the lord souls, including the Dark Soul are a product of the First Flame. In a sense, both the Age of Fire and the Age of Dark are both Ages of Fire, just different types powered by/associated with different aspects of the first flame.
That the Deep is associated with Water and Sea, rather than fire makes me feel its something different. Plus, there's still a lot of a references to the abyss and the fires of humanity in DS3, but never at the same time as the Deep
>>335674580
Flann obviously died or went crazy or got eaten or some horrible thing, why else would Gwynevere leave him for Oceiros? She seems to have a pattern of fucking off just before shit really hits the fan so I think Flann is as good as dead.
So why is Havel in Archdragon Peak? Is that not him in the first game?
>>335674471
Farron and th swamp are Darkroot Garden. You can find Elizabeth, and Dusks' clothes there, and a bunch of dead Mushroombros.
>>335674656
it could just be some tosser that found Havel's gear and liked it.
>>335674742
Where's Elizabeth? I found the other stuff.
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