>try to create a female character for a game
>realize she's a mary sue
why does this so easily happen?
Because Mary Sue only means "character I don't like".
Basically any time you want a character to get punched in the face 10 times, and along the story she gets punched in the face 9 times, you can call her a Mary Sue.
So any character who should get more shit according to you. So any character you dislike.
sauce? idk how to read cursive
>>335634781
Except that's bullshit.
There's loads of Mary Sue, master of everything, friend of everyone, flawless, yet tortured soul characters all over media.
>>335634508
>halfway making a female character
>realise she's either you with boobs or your waifu
This is why.
Because you struggle with creating characters that have depth.
>>335634508
>try to create male character for a game
>realize he's a gary stu
why does this so easily happen?
Just because a character is a mary sue doesnt automatically make them a bad character. Not that anyone on /v/ would know about that because they like to just blindly hate everything.
>>335634508
Trying too hard to make her empowered so the feminazis aren't butthurt, then realize what you've just made
>>335635635
Name good mary sue characters then. Mary sues are always bad, the problem is people being unable to identify what is and isn't actually one.
>>335634508
Because women are naturally unlikable shitstains so the only way to make them a decent main character is to make everyone inexplicably love them.
Zero from Drakengaard is actually a really good representaion of a non-Mary Sue because she's a visceral cunt the entire game and everyone fucking hates her.
>>335635635
>Just because a character is poorly written doesn't make them a bad character
Okay homo.
>video game protagonist
>mary sue
wow who would have thought
>>335635974
>Name good mary sue characters
Why, so you can be a cool contrarian kid and tell me how I'm wrong? Nah, fuck you. How about you explain to me why mary sues are always bad? And try not to use buzzwords while you're at it.
>>335635635
Isn't the entire point of calling a character a Mary Sue basically a short way of saying they are not compelling or interesting. A Mary Sue is a character that has no conflict and therefor there is no tension which is what typically makes things boring and uninteresting. If a character has to actually fight or overcome something then the character is not really a Mary Sue.
>>335634508
Realistically, it happens because people are more afraid to make females look bad. That is, while male characters can be cool they are also more likely to have flaws and get their asses kicked.
Meanwhile writers are often worried about making a female who has flaws since they are afraid that will upset SJWs. It's even more apparent in that people don't like seeing women get beat up, especially if it's by a guy, which leads to them coming across as invincible.
>>335635974
ur waifu :^)
>>335635613
It doesn't happen easily at all for me. I love creating flaws in male characters but I struggle with females. Unless it's a villain.
Like I can instantly imagine 100 ways to make a fat male interesting but noone likes a fat chick
Probably because I barely have any female friends and only brothers
>>335635132
It's a photoshopped picture of Alice Goodwin I think
>>335636265
There ways of using that type of character effectively. For comedic effect for example. Or maybe as a foil for the main character.Not every mary sue has to be a main character or anything like that.
>>335636421
you can't do it because you are sexist
>>335636421
You sound too autistic to be writing fiction. No offense. Unless you're like 14 years old I'd throw in the towel or stick to creepy pasta length stories.
>>335634508
Because you're a man
Only women know how to write good women characters
>>335636421
just apply your male flaws to female flaw, nigga.
impatient, selfish, meathead, vain, stupid... even innocence and too kind for her own good can be a flaw.
You decided the gender first.
Create a character and assign gender-neutral characteristics to them. THEN decide if its a girl.
>>335636245
Well, Mary sue characters leave little room for development in a story. Their presence centralises it into a character who is often uninteresting and at the same time unchangable who also, depending on the mood of the story, might carry a lot of unrealistic traits one would expect from their origin.
>>335636681
I don't think you can claim to know me from two badly written posts
>>335636573
That's not a Mary Sue, especially if it's a supporting/side character who you don't even know enough about to be able to call them that. Do you have any examples for the comedic application tho? Can't really think of anything so I have no idea how you could make that funny.
>>335636702
>Only women know how to write good women characters
:^)
>>335634508
Because why would you put a shitty woman into a video game? Men already struggle enough with shit tier women.. the last thing we need is realism in our video games too.
Like that bitch in The Division who becomes your commander. She's a total cunt and ruins the entire game.
>>335634508
Because Mary Sue is virtually meaningless at this point.
>>335636946
>That's not a Mary Sue
Moving the goalposts now, senpai?
Theres 2 flaws that are pretty common among female characters tho.
1. Being a bossy bitch
2. Being an annoying cunt
>>335636813
Give me examples of characters who do what youre describing here.
>>335636967
>playing destiny:ubisoft edition
>caring about the story
for what fucking purpose
>>335636923
If you want to be a fiction writer and can't put two sentences together that can describe your problem well and you cant write female characters at all then you should not be a writer.
>>335637354
Mary Sue.
Here is a great test to see if a character is a Mary Sue
>is she Rey from the force awakens?
If not then no she is not a mary sue
>>335637485
Great. Thanks for proving youre just another worthless meme spouter.
>>335634508
What video game is this thread about?
>>335637221
What goalposts? And to where?
>>335636967
You mean Faye Lau? Is she even a character? In fact is anyone in The Division a character? All I know about here is that she's a New Yorker, a Division agent and has a younger sister who plays guitar. You know honestly I don't really want to talk about the game because I'm just gonna get pissed off. Fuck Ubisoft and fuck me for buying it. What a waste of money.
>>335637649
About character creation you dumb fuck
>>335636245
>How about you explain to me why mary sues are always bad?
Because in order to be called a Mary Sue, the character has to have irredeemably bad traits from a writing standpoint.
Originally, Mary Sues were, generally, an unabashed self insert. It's kinda changed now to mean a character that seems too idealized/unrealistic, but the idea remains the same. The author forgot that it's okay for a character to have faults and to not literally bend the Universe the character is in to make sure they always win.
There is no case where a Mary Sue character works better in place of an actual character.
Because female characters, like all characters, are most interesting when they actually have some flaws. Being completely perfect is boring.
>>335635974
Chuck Norris.
You probably don't know or don't spend time with women in real life so you can't write one with any depth.
Inb4 women are whores and have no depth, you can definitely tell when a writer knows how to write a feminine perspective or just relies on writing a dude with tits.
mary sue loses its meaning when you use it outside of fanfiction
>>335637698
wait, cant you refund ubishit game on steam?
>>335637967
enough depth for you here, fämälam
>>335637359
Luckily that doesn't apply to me
>>335634508
In America? Because every wymyn in fiction is a stronk, indypendynt wymyn who can literally do everything and knows anything with the help of nobody.
This is done so little girls will one day grow up with massively inflated egos and self-importance complexes. They will be utterly incapable of functioning self-sufficiently in the real world away from mommy & "mommy2" as they discover that the world won't simply hand everything over to them because they have, or feel they should have, a cunt.
"Wymyn" is actually a patriarchal concept to bring the next generation of women to heel. The Mary Sue writing of fictional wymyn is simply all part of the Grand Plan.
>There are no good mary sue characters
>>335634508
Is she sitting on a sybian? Her legs seem pretty widely spread out, and she seems to be holding onto something by her crotch.
Damn womanspreadders.
>>335637994
Isn't there like a 1 hour limit for a refund or something? In any case...I bought it on a console to play with friends. Needless to say none of us play it anymore even the guy that championed for everyone to get it. The only person I know who likes it barley played it since it keeps crashing and he's having some general PC issues.
Most vidya protagonists are Sues, you just don't notice it with men because you more easily project onto them.
>>335634508
>create a female character for a game
>realize that you have fallen in love with her
Every time
>>335634508
because male characters are allowed to be flawless
female characters get shit on for it more frequently
>>335635419
>realise she's either you with boobs or your waifu
>or both
>>335638212
lucky you're not self-important and egotistical at all
>>335638367
I wish I could say that with XCX, but they took away my ability to create my favorite boob size, and my firmware is too high to hack...
Why do people only whine about female mary sues? Probably around 90% of male characters in vidya could be considered mary sues. I never understood why female characters get all the shit for that "ultra special chosen one that everyone likes with no flaws or very superficial ones" is incredibly common. Dante and virtually every male JRPG protag ever fall under this
>>335638461
Luckily.
>>335634508
This is traced from porn.
>>335638559
>virtually every male JRPG protag ever fall under this
Name them.
>>335635419
/thread
>>335638559
I see you haven't played world of warcraft
>>335638235
>Overconfident
>Dumb as shit
>His son ends up stronger than him (for a while)
>Horrible father
>Constantly late
Sure is Mary Sue, senpai.
>>335638630
Sauce?
>>335634508
Mary Sue has become a meaningless phrase due to how sloppily it is used. In this context I am guessing Mary Sue is something superficial as "attractive" or "competent." This is completely dumb as shit.
A real Mary Sue is a narrative black hole where the entire setting distorts itself for her in irrational ways.
A literal Mary Sue is an author self insert for blatant wish fulfillment.
>>335634508
Take a hard look at the average male protagonist in a videogame. There's a good chance that they're a mary sue.
>>335638235
Goku has a pretty big flaw though, he's naive and always expects the best of people. It almost got him killed with Freeza and almost doomed the whole world with Cell
>>335638747
yet he doesnt change his trait, only his power level.
>>335638747
those are either endearing traits or fan projection
>>335638747
>always wins
>is the strongest forever
>everyone likes him
>even the guys who hate him respect him
Mary Sue as fuck, senpai.
The fuck is a Mary Sue?
>>335634508
>create male character
>make him a girl
>make Grey DeLisle voice her
That's fucking it. Instant waifu of the decade.
>>335638931
>Goku has a pretty big flaw though, he's naive and always expects the best of people
That's the kind of 'flaw' a mary sue would have
>>335634508
Because you're a bad writer. That's all. You simply lack practice.
>>335637354
>>Name good mary sue characters
>Why, so you can be a cool contrarian kid and tell me how I'm wrong?
Remember this? Pretty dickass move to demand the same thing you asked not to do from me.
Anyhow, ther's that chick from twilight, you could argue many fairytale pincesses fit the bill, >>335637562 is also correct and I say this as someone who barely cares about SW. If you want vidya, they often do this to some self-inserts, see FE or Persona 4, many SE characters, KH being a big offender, Thrall after WoW, Kerringan.Some of them may be subjective.
I'm not >>335637485
by the way.
>>335636946
What about swagamoto from sakamoto desuga? Dude's basically perfect as fuck for the sake of comedy
>>335639042
It's a character with similar qualities to Mary Sue, the main character of the infamous Star Trek fanfic where a young ensign is loved by all the crew and outperforms all the main characters in all areas.
>>335638747
Also forgot
>Dies a few times
>>335639034
Oh like you wouldn't show a healthy level of respect towards a dude who could blow the planet up at any given moment but hold back only because that's where he keeps most of his stuff.
>>335638235
>Dragon Ball
>Good characters
Goku is the same character he was in Dragon Ball, he is likeable but he is not really well written
>>335639126
I think for that to be a Mary Sue traits people would in fact always have to be best when dealing with Goku without him even putting any effort into it. If his assumption is ever wrong and he ends up paying the price for making it directly or indirectly I don't think that's a Mary Sue trait anymore.
>>335639328
Sadly I have no idea who that is. And I don't think I can understand a character after a quick google search.
>>335635974
Lara Croft.
>>335639248
uh Rey isn't a mary sue
>but my EU said [insert force technique here] would be impossible to do with no training
>>335638969
His stupidity has pissed fans off on more than one occasion, I am sure.
>>335639034
>always wins
After dying a few times, yeah. Or training for a year. Not to mention a few dozen wishes.
>is the strongest forever
Didn't he get his ass kicked royally in the battle of the Gods movie?
>everyone likes him
Everyone like Frieza? Or do you mean his friends? Piccolo isn't exactly thrilled with the guy, he's just a shotacon for his kid. Most of the people on his friends list just appreciate how strong a fighter he is.
>even the guys who hate him respect him
Who? Frieza doesn't respect shit. Dr Gero certainly didn't respect him.
>>335634781
Nice b8
>>335634508
Because you are currently too concerned about making a strong female character. Try to let that concern go.
>>335635635
The whole definition of a mary sue is that they're too perfect. That's automatically a bad thing.
>>335639556
Basically he could pull of any shit he want, all people love him, anyone who hate him turns to love him
I.e. the whole class is panicking because there's a bee, the girls ran out of class, the boys get naked because moving black colour agitate the bee, then sakamoto fight the bee with a needle and put away the bee out without killing the bee
Should've mention it's animu is currently airing
>>335634508
>these-17-incredible-wonder-woman-cosplayers-will-explode-your-brain
This is literally a WW costume shopped on to porn.
Because flaws in male characters are something to be overcome, they're there as potential and a possibility of hidden depths. Meanwhile, female characters become disgusting when given flaws because we all know women aren't into evolving unless a man is making them do it.
Your female character is a liar, stupid or immoral? Well, she's going to stay that way to the end unless you pull a very artificial and unrealistic looking development.
>>335640228
Or if she gets laid
>>335640228
hello /r9k/
>>335640228
/thread
>>335639631
Didn't she pilot the falcon through insanely dangerous circumstances despite having never piloted a ship before?
Didn't she beat Kylo Ren at mind-raping despite never having done it before that very minute?
And at a lightsaber duel despite never having even handled a similar weapon before?
And I honestly forget but I don't even think she has a single moment of conflict in the movie. Maybe she was scared of visions for a while?
>>335640451
Kylo Ren knocked her unconscious like twice
>>335634508
Is this character Mary Sue or Gary Stu?
>>335640451
The Force is a helluva drug, at least that's the only reason why she pulled off the lightsaber duel. She trusted it and it trusted her back right in that tight little ewok
>>335634508
Because they're written by men
>>335640451
>And at a lightsaber duel despite never having even handled a similar weapon before?
She does seem to be good with some sort of staff weapon so I guess that's something.
>>335640648
I'm pretty sure it's just once. And I guess before he does so he kind of beats her in a fight, sort of. Which makes her turning the tables on him all the more surprising, especially since nothing has really changed. I guess she embraced the Force. And since it's space magic you ain't gotta explain shit.
Whatever I think all Star Wars is just gonna feel like fan-fiction now.
>>335636569
It's Jordan Carver. Jesus, get your cow tits names correct.
>>335640648
But he didn't kill her either time, make her his jedi mind-trick meat-puppet, or just bone her as she lay unconscious.
Face it: She's the epitome of Mary Sue.
>>335639907
Well yeah, that's more or less a parody of a Mary Sue character. It's ironic.
>>335640975
that's wrong and he's right though
>>335639585
Only the old Lara, not the imposter currently masquerading herself as Lara.
>>335634508
A Mary Sue is only such if she does not interact with her world in a realistic way but instead the world responds to her in accordance with the authors arbitrary desires. So I doubt that you are creating a Mary Sue.
>>335639034
>always wins
You fucked up bro
>>335640026
im fine with that
>>335635974
Gerard of riviera.
>>335641374
well, gary stu, but you get the point.
>>335634508
Cus female protagonists aren't allowed to have flaws in popular media without outraging everyone
>>335640451
The fact Leia runs up and hugs Rey over Chuui should tell you what Rey is.
A filthy Mery Sue.
Is Bigy Wolf or Bloody Mary from TWUU Mary sues
>>335634508
Because depicting a woman failing shows weakness which is a trope that's been used for ages.
This is why when people write shit, they shouldn't worry appealing to current social justice trends, it ruins writing.
>le mary sue
Name 5 male protags that arent garys stues
Protip: you cant, if they werent gary stues and mary sues, games would be boring
>>335641374
Geralt fails quite a lot though. Especially in TW2.
Trying to fuck both Yen and Triss ruins 3 as well.
In fact, I think the first game is the only one where he succeeds pretty much all the time except the start
>>335642139
Kirby
Mario
Link
Kenshiro
Master Chief
>>335640648
That makes it even more ridiculous. Kylo Ren goes from literally stopping her body from even being able to move, to losing a lightsaber duel to her.
Jesus Christ, Luke never even fought Darth Vader in the first Star Wars movie. And in the second, he got his ass beat. It took 3 movies before he was even strong enough to best Darth Vader, and he had to fuel it with anger.
But here we have a properly trained sith that has such insane force powers he's stopping plasma bolts in midair, and he's bested by 'just discovering her powers' Ren.
Holy fucking shit.
>>335641929
Wait, what exactly is a trope? Women failing at something? What the fuck am I reading
EASY WAY TO NOT MAKE MARY SUE CHARACTERS:
>give them undesirable traits
>make them fail at things before they succeed
>give other characters the spotlight every once in a while
>don't make other characters blindly love said character
>>335642494
>comparing kylo to darth vader when literally the entire point of the character is that he's only a shadow of him
>properly trained sith
brah come on
>>335642139
Max Payne from Max Payne
Protag from Bully
Yuri from Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Laharl from Disgaea
Claude from Star Ocean 2 is an outright piece of shit.
>>335642750
Kylo is fucking strong though. He can stop a laser blast in mid air and take a crossbow to the face
>>335642738
>make them fail at things before they succeed
no that's a mary sue quality too
see
>>335642494
>>335641921
Bigby, probably not since most of fable town distrust and hate him and a silver bullet can fuck him up quite easily.
I don't think Bloody Mary is either.
>>335642139
John Marston/Bigby Wolf/Max Payne/Cole Phelps/The guy from Mafia 1
>>335642797
>Protag from Bully
Pls Jimmy wasn't a mary sue he was more of an anti hero then anything.
>>335642750
Properly trained compared to Ren, rather. Who has absolutely none.
>mary sue
I can't remember the last time I saw this used correctly on 4chan. Every damn time it turns out someone is just saying "character I don't like".
>>335643002
Except you know the clear implications of JJ copying KOTOR with Rey and Luke.
Wonder Woman xRobin
>>335642920
The guy is asking for examples of character that aren't Gary Stus.
>>335643036
Then READ the thread
>>335642845
>>335641921
>Never even given so much as a pity fuck from Snow White for all that bullshit.
Man's a hero, not a sue
>>335643036
It's being used for 'character that wins' rather than it's proper usage.
>>335642139
Luigi
Junpei
Solid Snake
Kite
Geralt
>>335643247
Actually, they get married in the comics.
>>335643110
So, the vision sequence of her being left on the desert planet when she was a little girl is a false memory or something? Because she's pretty fucking young to have gotten any lightsaber lessons.
>>335643002
The only thing she does that's impressive is beating Ren in a sword fight, but it's never established that you need force training to wield a lightsaber and she clearly has experience with melee weapons so whatever.
>>335643036
Ciri is a god damned Mary Sue
>create a character
>make them gary stu as fuck
>a walking homage to one of your favorite bands
>have alternate versions of your wife always fighting for your attention
>people are absolutely fine with this
Daisuke you absolute madman
>>335643429
Still not even a slap on the ass Inna game
>Mary Sue discussion
This is basically a stealth Star Wars thread so I'll bite.
Mary Sue's are not bad. Without them most stories wouldn't even happen. It's like people complaining about coincidences in movies.
>>335643492
>The only thing she does that's impressive is beating Ren in a sword fight
And beating him at his mindrape game.
And piloting the falcon through a derelict star destroyer to escape a pair of TIE fighters.
And being better at repairing the falcon than the person who relied on it for his living for several years.
>>335643523
That isn't necessarily a bad thing.
>>335643627
Yeah, that's true.
Hope he gets something if/when season 2 is released.
>>335643831
Most movies shouldn't even happen.
>>335634508
>women is competent
>holy shit she's such mary sue
>guy is competent
>so based i want him to fuck me in the ass without lube
/v/ in a nut shell
>>335643989
This. Why are they forcing so much Walking Dead bs when we need more Fables
>>335643895
It's the first time learning she was force sensitive, he was clearly caught off guard. She was also familiar with the environment and the vehicle. And she's more familiar with the most recent modifications than Han Solo, hardly surprising since Han hadn't seen the thing in like a decade while Rey apparently worked on the thing.
>>335643831
>Without them most stories wouldn't even happen.
Most stories don't have mary sue's anon.
We postin WW in here? I got some stuff to dump
>>335644086
Capable women terrify /v/.
>>335640528
How do I report this poster?
>>335644583
Please do, I want to fap
>>335644447
working on it is not the same as piloting. that's like saying that the dish washer at a restaurant is just as qualified as the cook
>>335644676
Press Alt + F4
>>335635974
Sol Badguy is literally a mary sue self insert and people like him
>>335642139
Artyom from Metro 2033
JC Denton
The Culter from EYE
Abe from Oddworld games
Brad from LISA
>>335644754
Dude. I know that's window close, faggot.
>>335644741
>food analogy
I'd trust a dishwasher who has observed a professional chef and knows where all the equipment and ingredients in the restaurant are more than a McDonald's burgerflipper put in the same environment and told to cook the house special.
female protag story time
>>335640528
I was waiting for someone to post it.
>>335644929
When you enter 4Chan it injects a special script into your browser settings.
It disables the Alt + F4 close and replaces it with the report button. No lie, there was a shit storm about it on /g/ a few weeks ago.
>>335640752
There is a much worse offender in that game
>>335634508
The term mary sue applies to someone who is inserted into a story that isnt theres and has the world suddenly revolve around them. If it makes sense for your character to be powerful then do it
>>335644946
why are superheroines so fucking bad at putting on their clothes
like not even regular women have this problem
>>335644447
>he was clearly caught off guard
I'd be caught off guard too if someone I effortlessly force-powered unconscious two hours earlier was able to not only block my mental advances but to then invade my own mind, too.
>She was also familiar with the environment and the vehicle
The only familiarity that would matter is familiarity with actually piloting the thing, but nope she had a bumpy start and then was rolling like the best pilot in the galaxy in under a minute.
Fair enough on the repair, though. She at least explains she has experience with that, but it seems like it should be a solution Han Solo should have thought of himself instead of yet another moment of Ren having to prove how awesome she is.
>>335634508
Because they don't try to make female characters actually interesting or badass like males, or at least they're bad at it if they do. The female warriors have generic tomboy personalities and they act ultra serious, or they are either incredibly ditzy/sexy. There's no female character who says badass and memorable lines and has the combination of a cool outfit. The closest to that I can think of is Bayonetta, but she's hardly as popular.
>Stop lewding me!
>>335645094
Why would you trust either of them? Are you a retard?
>>335645323
>I'm literally touching myself to wonder woman right now
>>335645323
>Stop lewding me!
>Posts the sexiest version of wonder woman
>>335645313
>Generic tomboys
Fight me you shit taste faggot
>Ultra serious
This is true and a problem.
>>335645313
Bitch from Perfect Dark and The Major are cool
>>335645323
>tumblr
>>335645608
>>335645523
>>335645446
>>335645373
>>335645291
>>335645207
> Batwoman
Has a comic ever had a such drastic drop in quality before or since?
>>335645403
I mean if it were a life or death decision, I'd put my money on the dishwasher. Rey is the dishwasher, the TIE pilots are the burgerflippers. Plus it's not like Luke didn't blow up the galaxy's greatest weapon in a vehicle he never piloted before, so evidently force sensitivity imparts some intuition in these matters.
>>335640451
Reminder that Luke Skywalker got his ass kicked by 2 random sand people despite being literally the second coming.
Look senpai, it is easy to create a non-sue female character. A beautiful female character can still have character flaws, study more complex characters in literature and other media, then take different qualities and craft one proper.
It's like writing with physics, each positive trait has negative traits and repercussions associated with it depending on how that trait is expressed. equal and opposite reaction and all that.
>>335642494
Don't bother, people will refuse to admit the truth that Force Awakens is some terrible feminist pandering attempt to capture the hunger games audience to their dying breath.
>>335645791
The art was half the reason I read it.
>>335640451
anakin was the best podracer ever when he was a fucking child star wars protags have always been bs
>>335645960
That was Luuke, bro. Even then, Luke was a farmboy with a comfortable life. Rey had a hard life and learned how to defend herself.
>>335645518
>little girl wonder woman
>the sexiest
you jest
>>335642139
Every character in The Last of Us.
Every character in Metal Gear.
Every character in Silent Hill.
Every character in Uncharted.
Every character in Max Payne.
>>335634508
because creators are afraid to give female characters flaws because people will call them sexist, forgetting that flaws are what make characters interesting
>>335646094
sup /tv/
wonder woman in jla war was hot
>>335645518
> sexiest version of wonder woman
Umm... No.
>>335645992
Glory from Shadowrun Dragonfall is the best female character ever
>>335636946
The muscular guy from Full Metal Alchemist got a lot of jokes about his physique, and add far as I watched he was powerful to boot
>>335646334
>[Blank] Snake
>not Sue as a motherfucker
Jesus Christ dude
>>335645861
>Rey is the dishwasher, the TIE pilots are the burgerflippers
TIE pilots aren't burgerflippers. They're chefs. maybe not master chefs, but actual chefs, because they've trained for years to do this shit.
>Plus it's not like Luke didn't blow up the galaxy's greatest weapon in a vehicle he never piloted before
Only difference being that he's actually had pilots training that they bring up in the movie.
>>335635937
Wish this was first post so I could call FPBP.
This is the correct answer. It's safer to design a Sue than a female character who gets called flat or lifeless. It's tryhard cancer born from pandering to SJWs and femshits.
>>335646208
The point stands though, they are Stus/Sues
Which isn't really a bad thing since I don't care for conflict or deep psychology when it comes to action series.
>>335646430
He got the shit beaten out of him by his sister.
>>335646534
>TIE pilots aren't burgerflippers.
come on anon, they're literally disposable
>>335646430
His sister beats the shit out of him.
>>335646534
A New Hope needs to be stricken from the records too. It has a literal farmboy who just got his shit pushed in by literal sand niggers taking out FULLY TRAINED TIE PILOTS in a gunner's seat.
Fucking Gary Stu bullshit.
>>335646208
And Anakin was a fucking shitstain of a character in a horrible movie, what's your point?
Wonder Woman isn't interesting.
Wonder Woman was never interesting.
>>335646597
>It's safer to design a Sue
How many vidya mary sues are there? Let alone protags.
>>335646667
That was planned. Armstrong didn't even use alchemy in that fight.
>>335634508
depends what your definition of mary sue is
if you're a real edgelord faggot, anyone who doesn't have severe emotional problems is a mary sue.
>>335646769
That you should ignore everything except for the original trilogy.
>>335646870
YES GET IN THE SHOWER.
>>335646724
The farmboy was a trained and talented pilot. It was outright stated multiple times throughout the damned movie.
>>335637580
lol this bitch is so mad
>>335646724
All he was doing was shooting. He has experience with firing lasers at shit.
They used to fire at womp rats, after all.
>>335647008
Driving the Chevy pickup out into rural farm country to take pot shots at nutria totally makes you qualified as an ace tank pilot. Yep.
>It's okay because the movie talks about Luke being good
>It's not okay because the movie shows Rey being good
Literally retarded.
>>335647047
>xoxo
did they really do this shit in the 40s
>>335646419
In gaming it's pretty hard to find female characters that aren't mary sues. The writing teams just aren't on the same level as other forms of media for the most part, but it will get there eventually I'm sure. If you look at other media though there are plenty of good examples of a well developed female character.
Sorcerer's Stone Herminone is a good example of non-Mary Sue
>>335647203
Yes.
>>335647196
He's actually trained in piloting a star ship. He even meets up with one of his childhood buddies who joined the rebellion - they were both training to be pilots when they were younger.
And yes that's a lot better than someone piloting a star ship for the first time with no training and then being the fantastic at it.
>>335646094
I totally agree, that is why I refused to watch it in theaters. Just torrented that shitshow, I was so disappointed, as expected. sjws ruin everything.
>>335641147
>>335639585
Lara wasn't really a Mary Sue, since the entire plot of most of the games was that she was a thieving asshole.
>>335636421
I bet you don't pick grill characters in video games.
>>335647196
No, it was quite clearly stated that he passed the test to get into the space airforce and an ace pilot in the rebellion, his bro, vouched for his skill as a pilot.
And they clearly state the ship that he piloted and shot womp rats with, works just like the rebels ships.
>>335643319
it's = it is
its = possessive form
>>335634508
Because women are literally perfect and if you say otherwise you are a cis shitlord :^)
>he didn't fantasize about Wonder Woman taking advantage of him as a kid
fag
>>335646010
>>335646786
>>335646870
>>335646959
>>335647047
>>335647140
>>335647223
> Mfw I just realized Kate and Maggie are still together in a fucking Elseworlds comic
God dammit.
>>335647490
You can stop now.
batwoman has all but killed the thread.
>>335644583
sauce?
>>335634508
Life is Strange created a strong female character.
>enter /v/ bait thread
>get storytime'd
>>335634508
>why does this so easily happen?
Because anything but is oppression.
New to the scene, kid?
>>335646526
>Naked Snake
>gets his ass kicked by The Boss
>Solid Snake
>told he's the inferior one, even by the creator of the fucking series
>>335635974
Geralt
>>335648278
Geralt isn't a Mary Sue.
Ciri is though.
Does anyone here have anymore screencaps/ a recording of Anita Sarkeesian's feet from that stream she was on earlier in the month?
I'm doing a sitewide search. Gonna kill myself if I can't find anything.
>>335648169
WHY
H
Y
>>335647487
Old Lara yes, for fucks sakes only her butler, "coworker", and her only friend ever showed up to her funeral. New "Lara" is the exact opposite, everyone loves her and go out of their ways to help her.
>>335643523
Not entirely, though the choices that bring out the best in her certainly paint her as one.
stop posting shit comics and post more wonder lewds
>> 335645960
>> 335640451
Luke was jobing central until he got his shit together on the later movies
>>335649154
You are a faggot but yeah, I can't see the appeal of cape comics. At least wonder woman isn't pulling an american flag from her ass every fourth panel and shouting USA! USA!
>>335649401
whats Cthulhu doing in wonder woman comic
>>335643247
>>335643429
And they have a bunch of kids, one of which is a sentient queef
Not kidding
>all these /v/ generalizations
So I take it this is one of those threads where we get some updated idea on the tumblr ratios for the board.
>>335634508
>remember I have the original picture somewhere on my pc
>it's not filed right
>reverse image search only turns up wonder woman
Fuck.
>>335635974
Batman.
>>335634508
Because making a woman an interesting character means giving her male traits.
>>335649460
>Not pulling a flag from her ass every few panels
>Not realizing that she's wearing a red and white costume with a star spangled thong
She's litterally pulling the stars and stripes out of her ass every few panels anon.
>>335642494
I agree that Ren is a pretty bland character who never fails but their duel outcome is set up well enough and makes sense. Rey is versed in combat and not grievously wounded. Kylo was just shot by a wookie bowcaster and is clearly shown struggling with the pain to stay up. And even then he only just loses.
>>335650097
>interesting women have male traits
Women in real life basically
>>335650513
Is everyone a lesbian in Bombshells?
>>335635974
Aragorn
>>335647638
He flew the Star Wars equivalent of a Cessna. The T-16 can't even escape a planet's gravity. That scene where he's talking about bullseyeing womp rats is basically evidence that Luke is a dumb hick who doesn't know what he's talking about. It's like that drunk retarded cropduster in Independence Day flying F-18s. Only he had the benefit of being a former air force pilot in Nam. At the very least with Rey she's actually seen and worked extensively on the ship she ends up flying, so there's a good chance she'd actually understand the basic controls.
>>335650396
To be fair they're fucking up the Kylo character pretty badly all around. He's supposed to be a badass, but he didn't -instantly- wreck Finn, who actually got a slash at him despite having no force powers at all (Or dooooooes he?). But Hell even Finn had more experience with the lightsaber than Ren.
>and is clearly shown struggling with the pain to stay up
I thought he was constantly agitating the wound in order to fuel his hate/powers?
>ITT: retards getting their ass whooped by solid arguments so bad they don't even respond anymore
This thread was a nice read. There's still hope left for /v/.
>>335651325
Kylo was toying with Finn, enjoying the fact he finally gets to lightsaber fight for the first time in forever, until Finn gets a lucky strike in against him. If you watch that scene again, you'll notice that Kylo ends the fight INSTANTLY as soon as that happens. If Kylo was serious about it, he would have taken down Finn instantly, but he's too cocky. That's a character flaw of a lot of villains.
>>335651325
This meme that you need force powers to use lightsabers with any degree of efficacy seriously needs to die. Jedi and Sith use lightsabers as a matter of tradition and ceremony, not because somehow being force sensitive makes blasters completely useless and lightsabers god-tier.
>>335651650
>watching any scene twice from the new shit flick by kike Abrams
Kill yourself nigger
Fucking Disney shills
>>335634508
The reason that it's easy to make a "Mary Sue" is because making a character be both a woman AND competent requires too much suspension of disbelief
>>335651650
>character flaw of villains
In saturday morning cartoons...
>>335645291
That's right. I forgot they went to see Zorro. Fuck Superman is an asshole.
I -just- rewatched it. There's absolutely no hint that he's interested in toying around with the guy.
And someone getting a lucky shot in because you're cocky? The fucking fuck? He has every right to be cocky he has fucking force powers that guide you to anticipate what your opponent is going to do.
>>335651891
The force, in general, give you above human levels of precognition/prediction and even agility. You should be better than a regular human at EVERY weapon.
>>335652563
Top part meant for >>335651650
>>335652563
>actual star wars geek in the wild
>arguing le force rules
And I thought you were all Disney shills, I did not realize there are people this pathetic in real life.
>>335650396
>Struggling with the bow caster
He was slapping at his slight stomach wound to increase pain and darkside power points.
At no point is it shown to be a detriment.
As a matter of fact it not blowing a massive hole in his torso is narratively convenient bullshit.
Her skill came out of nowhere and it ultimately makes the fact that they send her in hans ship with chewbacca and dart vaders light saber seem like a stupid pointless set up to show YES SHE IS THE CHOSEN ONE NOW GUYS utterly pointless.
What in the FUCK is luke going to teach her? Shit they can't even do the whole it's her father/relation/tell her what happened thing cause she nor no one in the cast gave a single solitary fuck as to why he left or has it even become a real plotpoint.
It's awful.
Even more embarassing is that the pointless and utterly nonsensical black storm trooper joke character that is essentially every single ineffectual harmless male prince in disney is seen in a better light then her.
>>335635419
Nailed it.
>>335637580
Mary Sue is an actual character, where the fuck do you think the trope came from?
>>335650616
100% accurate, the post.
Seriously. Think about the women in your lives (all memes aside, I'm assuming there are some). Think about the ones that constantly annoy you, and the ones that you actually like.
Which ones act more like your male friends?
I know where I'd put my money.
>>335634508
Also, I'm sure I'll get made fun of, but I actually do write stories. Not for video games, but I'm actually compiling characters and world-building to write a novel. Yeah, yeah. I know I'm gay or whatever.
I experimented with the gender of my characters, because I had some trouble getting comfortable with writing females as well. I made all my character's personalities and basic physical description, and then flipped a coin to decide each one's gender. I'm actually pretty happy with the way it turned out.
Not saying that will work for you the way it did for me, but maybe give it a shot. It could lead you somewhere.
>>335634508
>these-17-incredible-wonde(...).jpg
POST THE OTHER 16 YOU FAG
>>335651219
Two things, and he actually flew the planes and used them they are flying now and flew them competently enough to pass into their soldier program.
He's not an old pilot from nam. He's an ace pilot who's shown he's talented enough to be given a F-14.
Secondly, at no point did they even hint that she actually worked on it other then those two utterly out of nowhere scenes that seem to indicate that she for some reason knew more about that ship then even han solo.
She also for some reason could pilot a ship that was described as total garbage by everyone INCLUDING HER that takes two people to pilot.
This is canon. It takes two people just to get the fucking thing off of the ground on top of it being seen as a jerry rigged jalopy and she's piloting it like she was born in the thing.
>>335652563
>You should be better than a regular human at EVERY weapon
No you shouldn't, this is the same dumb logic that made Yoda into a wigged out tiny swordsman with a baby lightsaber when he shouldn't be fucking around with weapons at all. Being Force sensitive doesn't automatically make you better than anyone who's ever trained with a sword, and it's entirely conceivable that a soldier with melee weapons training would be able to get a hit in on a grievously injured young man who hasn't even been properly trained with lightsabers himself.
Ok the disney cucks are now in full shill mode as the merchant selling the latest Marvel... disney Star Kikes movie out on Booray now, have fun niggers and remember if it was born with a dick it is always a dick.
>>335653692
Okay how's about this.
Someone who constantly cuts people up with their laser sword, who is force sensitive and has such enhanced precognitive ability that he can stop a blaster-shot mid air, should be more than capable of absolutely humiliating/destroying a jobber stormtrooper who lost a melee fight with -another- stormtrooper.
>>335653925
????????????????
>>335653572
>he actually flew the planes and used them they are flying now
At no point did he even approach the military grade hardware of an XWing or TIE, and qualifying for a military flight academy isn't a matter of trial by fire; it involves a huge degree of preliminary training before even APPROACHING your assigned vehicle. Nobody gets handed the keys to a goddamn F-14 just because they passed their eye exams.
And it comes out of nowhere only if you ignore the scenes you even mentioned where she qualifies her experience by saying that she actually worked on the damn thing.
>>335650085
When written badly, yeah.
>>335652204
Star Wars has historically used old serial films like Flash Gordon as one of its primary influences, which are essentially the precursor to Saturday morning cartoons. This isn't a new thing with Episode 7.
>>335654102
The same guy who JUST got shot with a bowcaster AND who is distracted emotionally by having just murdered his father two minutes earlier?
It's not even CONCEIVABLE for this guy to get a completely ineffectual glancing hit from jobber trooper who, thematically, is fighting valiantly to defend the life of a dear friend?
>>335654470
DIE SPACE NIGGER DIE
>>335654548
>who is distracted emotionally by having just murdered his father two minutes earlier?
That was a relief for him. If anything he should have been stronger because his path to the dark side was no longer clouded by the light that keeps tugging at him.
>JUST got shot with a bowcaster
You mean the wound he keeps smacking because it feeds his hate/pain and makes him stronger?
>It's not even CONCEIVABLE for this guy to get a completely ineffectual glancing hit from jobber trooper who, thematically, is fighting valiantly to defend the life of a dear friend?
Absolutely not. You can't have the main badass coming out and stopping laser beams in mid air right at the beginning and then have him get hit by a storm trooper using a lightsaber.
>>335636269
also, most writers are male...
its obvious we will have a male view of things
>>335652983
I think more pics are needed to ensure this a tracing.
>>335655106
The point is that Kylo is dying due to the bowcaster wound. The earlier scenes were setups to show how powerful the bowcaster is and this dude took a bolt to the abdomen; he'd demolish Finn if he weren't leaking blood like a sinking ship. There are several qualms I have with the movie but Kylo getting winged by Finn was not one of them.
>>335655106
>That was a relief for him
Read as:
>I interpreted the character wrong on a fundamental level. Let me go on and on now as I springboard from this faulty premise deeper and deeper into displaying just how little I got right in trying to understand this simple fucking character in a kid's show.
>>335655207
>UGHHHHHH MOST WRITERS ARE MAAAAAALE
that is because men are generally speaking far more intelligent then women who are inferior mentally to the man., women simply cannot compete because they are weak. Which is also why they are so easy to rape.
>>335635326
Look up Mary Sue douche
>>335655476
This, bunch of fucking pussies.
Wanna know how to win an argument against a woman? Slap her, done.
>>335651441
who won?
>>335634508
Because your men are as poorly written and you're just less receptive to it.
>>335655106
>That was a relief for him.
It pretty clearly fucking wasn't. What, you think he was weeping from relief? Raging and screaming from just how good killing his Dad made him feel?
And this isn't some dumb DBZ episode, being closer to "the dark side" and making yourself angry doesn't make you arbitrarily stronger. Remember that scene in RotJ where Luke fucking spazzes out on Vader? Luke didn't suddenly gain 20 levels in strength because he restatted to dark side spec; he was fucking pissed off and stopped messing around trying to "save" his Dad and instead tried to fucking murder him. The power of the Dark Side isn't a literal stat boost, it's the willingness to put aside morals and embrace the full extent of the Force's power for personal gain. It's acting without restraint.
>>335655738
>this amount of denial
Listen to this bitch lol
Women are boring retards good for two things, birth, and getting penetrated. Men are better at everything else.
Women are just inferior, smaller brain, biological fact they are weaker and dumber.
This makes it impossible to write female characters that are good, because truth is they are boring to read, that is why even women write their protagonist as male, like Harry Potter.
>>335636269
> it happens because people are more afraid to make females look bad
Agree. Look at what happened with Avengers 2.
Also, see Gillian Flynn the author of Gone Girl. People went ape shit over Amy being and acting the way she is, even thoughShe's one of the best female villains in recent memory.
But nope, can't make a females look bad, evil, incompetent or be compromised in any way. That means you're anti woman, even if you are a fucking woman.
>>335655875
>not a stat boost
>feelings
Asperger can not compute
(Kaboom)
>>335655378
>dying due to the bowcaster wound
And yet he had more than enough life left to do his fight with Rey. He shows absolutely no signs of having any serious injury until Rey jabs him a few times more.
I mean, it's hard to take his bowcaster wound seriously when he keeps punching the shit out of the wound.
>>335655875
>What, you think he was weeping from relief? Raging and screaming from just how good killing his Dad made him feel?
... what? When the fuck was he weeping?
>>335640228
This, if a female has a character flaw then it is called sexist especially if she overcomes it later. It implies that women should ever put in work to improve themselves.
>>335656320
>And yet he had more than enough life left to do his fight with Rey.
No he didn't. He lost.
Jesus Christ. It's not even possible for you to see how fucking wrong you are is it?
>>335656320
I interpreted it as him hitting his would in order to focus on the pain, generate some anger, and keep him conscious from the significant loss of blood, man. He's not just tanking the shot and going about his merry day. He's dying.
>>335656457
B-but his healthbar?
Lmao
Star wars fans are fucking insane
>>335656320
>When the fuck was he weeping?
When he was talking to his Dad right before he fucking killed him.
>>335656457
I was speaking of his endurance and combating the notion that his powers are supposed to be diminished.
And it was stupid that he lost, but he certainly shouldn't have gotten hit by a stormtrooper when he showed not a hint of exhaustion/staggering.
>>335656624
He certainly wasn't crying after he killed his dad. He had a pretty relieved look on his face.
>>335635974
Dante
>the significant loss of blood
This is how much blood was on the snow, -after- he repeatedly punched himself in the wound, in a place he was standing for at least a minute. Doesn't look like an awful lot. Sure, some might get gathered up by his clothes but even he doesn't see it as life threatening in the slightest.
It's difficult to assume he's suffering from massive bloodloss when his movements don't even slow down in the slightest.
>>335657208
He obviously did not have a full HP bar and with the bleed his SHIELD Must have been at best, half oh and don't get me started on his force power, he barely had 10% left of MANA
>this is star wars fans today
And this is before taking into account he was chaotic evil and she was lawful marry sue
>>335653956
She will have sex with him, won't she? C'mon, spoil it already.
>>335657376
Nobody in this discussion is bringing up anything about shields, mana or alignments. Fuck off.
>>335656698
>relieved
dude do you seriously have the assburgers?
>>335657698
Fuck you bulldyke and guess what, star wars is for permanently immature little underdeveloped manchildren like yourself, a pathetic excuse of human existence, kill yourself not even "star wars" loves your ugly face even god curse the day he got lazy on you fat fucks.
>>335657195
>failed to protect his senpai
>failed to save his brother
>according to DMC 2, most likely fails to protect Trish and Lady
>ends up being alone
>>335657781
>A scene from several minutes later where he's yelling at a traitorous stormtrooper who has a lightsaber he wants
Okay...? Here's his face right after he kills Han Solo, not after he gets shot and encounters the two people who have been a thorn in his side through the whole movie.
He looks relieved.
>>335635419
I live in a sorority harem
or is it the other way around?
>>335658125
>he looks relieved
He looks like he can't actually
Not that star wars sociopaths would know.
>>335658303
Even if we want to argue about how his face looks, the context is that he was finally able to complete a task he wasn't sure he could go through with. By all accounts, he should be relieved.
>>335658303
Can't get it up
His penis that is
Impotence hard time for a boner stiff shaft his bat to stand attention erect for duty gay for Trump 2016
>>335658386
Honestly?
I don't know.
I do not watch movies made for children. All I know is that Harrisson Ford said he hates the shit and wants out so he begged to die in it. I can't blame him it looks like shit.
>>335634508
Because you're a bad writer and most likely sexist if you wouldn't also call that same character a Mary Sue if they were male.
>>335658527
>Honestly? I don't know.
I didn't ask you a fucking question I told you why you're wrong, idiot.
Maybe you should watch more movies made for children.
>>335658125
That's not relief. Try:
>Dejected
That's a man who thought he'd be relived, but instead is as confused and sad as ever.
So how about until dawn? Only watched a few episodes of a playthroughs but it had me hooked for an evening. But that couple making inuendo for like 40 mins then not getting it on was fuckin annoying
Anyway the characters seemed pretty gud in that
>>335658656
>here the fat fag still thinks his opinion matters
It does not, your opinion does not matter to anyone in the universe as a matter of fact.
>>335639714
I hate to tell you this mate, but you're in a b8 thread
>>335659037
It's a pretty good thread honestly.
>>335658708
How about try relief, because that's what relieved people look like, and it makes sense.
>>335658941
Did I seriously hurt your feelings by proving you wrong in a fucking Star Wars debate? Holy Hell that's hilarious.
>>335634508
If it's female, it's Mary Sue.
I thought they taught you this in basic writing classes.
>>335645523
>>335645608
When the fuck did these guys even get down onto the field? All you see are a bunch of muggers in the stands then suddenly poof, some more are down in the field trying to attack the two stronk nord womyns.
>>335635974
The Boss
Her being so perfect was a deliberate means of stealing the show from and making the (idolized in the players' eyes) Big Boss look like a retarded chump in MGS3, as well as make her the source of all the bullshit in MGS4.
She was a perfect soldier, everyone feared/adored her, she went to space and had a kid in the middle of a battlefield and countless other accolades, did some other preposterous shit. Most importantly, her ideology of self-sacrifice for a greater peace (ultimately becoming a martyr and a scapegoat to save the world in the most tragic way possible) was so beyond everyone's comprehension that the rest of the MGS series happened as a result.
Her character's influence carrying on in MGS4 and Peace Walker showed the results of what would happen if the story of Star Trek + Mary Sue would have continued after her death: a real shitshow. Big Boss and Zero were so hung up on The Boss that pretty much everything they did after was fucking retarded. MGSV starring Venom Snake who couldn't give less of a fuck about The Boss was honestly the best thing they could have done to get away from her nonsense influence over the plot.
>>335656320
>He shows absolutely no signs of having any serious injury
Yeah, the limping, yelling and whacking himself to focus wasn't any indication of that at all. The dude was fucked and the movie goes through painfully obvious steps to tell you that.
>>335661508
>Limping
No
>Yelling
He yells when Rey escapes does he have a serious injury then? Christ.
>whacking himself to focus
Yes he disregards the injury to such an extent he actually uses it to his advantage in his fight.
>The dude was fucked and the movie goes through painfully obvious steps to tell you that.
It didn't at all. His fighting form is fluid and calm without a hint of stagger from his injury.
>>335634508
Because Mary Sue doesn't mean anything these days.
Any slightly competent character = Mary Sue.
>>335652983
uncensored version? Google gives nothing
>>335656178
>Villain
She literally did nothing wrong. Her husband was cheating on her and her ex was a psycho. she only did what she had to stay happy.
>>335661771
>to his advantage in his fight.
Nigger you should look into the archaic form of the word "quickening". He's antagonizing himself to stay in the game. It is not a power up.
>>335663762
Then why does he show absolutely no signs of fatigue before the fight? Or even during the fight? He doesn't even hold his wound to try and stem any bleeding he's literally just agitating it like he don't give a flying fuck.
>>335664069
>Then why does he show absolutely no signs of fatigue
He loses. Seriously get a grip on the concept of "self evident". Your whole issue is "He shows no signs of having an issue. Why does he have an issue?" Ignoring the simple fucking math right in front of you. He was injured from an ASSPLOSHUN and then got bad at fightan.
>literally just agitating it like he don't give a flying fuck.
Sith Lord is interchangeable with edgelord. He is aspiring and failing.
>>335663762
Okay I did a quick googling on the quickening archaic form.
archaic
(of a woman) reach a stage in pregnancy when movements of the fetus can be felt.
archaic
(of a fetus) begin to show signs of life.
archaic
make (a fire) burn brighter.
So, make a fire burn brighter... sounds like a literal powerup.
>>335639631
Rey is a massive Mary Sue.
>>335644660
>Capable women terrify /v/.
Fictional creations often scare people
Kylo Ren was a bitch
During that final fight, Rey spends about of the fight unconscious while a man did the bulk of the fighting for her, weakened him further, and took a grievous wound in the process.
Then after she gets the lightsaber, she actually mostly just runs away and takes a defensive stance
Even THEN, all she can manage after her "USE THE FORCE" moment is to land a glancing blow, and the fight is then interrupted by a sudden fissure in the ground between them
It's a pretty amateurish fight honestly, they should have just sent Chewie to finish off Ren
>>335664345
>He loses.
He shouldn't have. That's the point. All of a sudden, despite handling Finn fairly handily (the 'cheap shot' shouldn't have happened) and constantly having Rey against the ropes showing not a hint of weakening or struggling, she suddenly turns it around on him and in 10 seconds lands a hit. Only -then- do we actually see him starting to struggle to fight back.
It's not like he's flailing wildly and getting sloppier with his attacks throughout the fight. he remains consistent and overwhelming.
You can't go 'It's self evident because he loses' when there are clear signs of when someone is dying from substantial bloodloss, which wasn't happening based on any evidence of the fight prior to Rey's sudden Mary Sue powerups.
>>335664830
Accepting your incorrect premise, you know that just magnifies /v/'s inadequacy, right?
>>335665360
I don't care about this conversation.
>>335665360
Are you saying fictional things don't scare people? Are you fucking retarded?
>>335635419
>implying my waifu isn't me with boobs
>>335665518
Of course you don't, now.
>>335665638
>Are you fucking retarded?
No, that would be you if you honestly need me to point out his 'incorrect premise.'
Or 'implication' if that helps get the point through that dense skull of yours.
>>335666204
Ok, I'm just being polite and replying, but I honestly don't care about this conversation or you trying to win it. You don't need to reply.
>>335666204
Oh, so you are retarded, thanks for clearing that up.
>>335666302
Alright, then don't reply.
>>335666313
I'm sorry you're retarded.
>>335666550
>no u
You already used that one, buddy.
>>335666550
No, sorry. You seem to care way too much about this, so now I'm going to reply until 404 to spite you of the last word, as you care so much about it.
See you in 2 minutes.
>>335666613
Doesn't make it less true, retard.
>>335666676
>You seem to care way too much about this
That's you projecting your inadequacy onto me.
You can have the last word. That's fine by me.
>>335666837
Ok then.
>>335666883
Still projecting I see?
>>335638559
>Dante
But he loses to vergil in Mission 7.
>>335666837
Ok dude.
>>335666994
>You can have the last word. That's fine by me.
Not so easy to let go, huh? Its alright, I don't mind. I'm here for a while.
>>335667056
>>335667090
Will you retards fuck off?
>>335662034
Alice Goodwin
>>335667190
I can taste how badly you need the final word.
I might give it to you, but not yet.
>>335667190
Ok man.
>>335667229
Oh god, she got plastic surgery up the ass, including some completely unnecessary implants after her natural boobs shrunk.
>>335667317
>>335667350
No really fuck off, I'm getting annoyed now.
>>335667442
>I'm getting annoyed now.
I can tell.
>>335667442
Ok kemosabe.
>>335667468
>goku dies again for the 30th time.
How do people enjoy dbz anymore? Theres nothing that hasnt already happened 20 times over.
>>335667530
>>335667545
FUCK. OFF.
PAIR OF FUCKING VIRGINS.
>>335667636
We're not virgins though, we fuck each other all the time.
No homo.
>>335667636
Ok ace boon coon.
>>335667729
>>335667770
Right I've actually reported you both. Get fucked you pair of cunts.
>hurrr durr women can't do anything right
>hurrrrrrrr
no wonder you fucking pigs never get laid and sit on a fucking video games site and talk shit
>>335667910
Ok muchacho.
>>335667910
I see your butthurt and raise you another Viper.
>Announcing a report
Thats a big no no, tumblrfag.
>>335668000
>trips
my nigga
>>335636089
This. Women are fucking awful
>>335651441
who won which argument
>>335640451
To be fair some practice from using polearms could possibly carry over to helping handle a lightsaber
I've found that the old guard takes a liking to Rey much quicker compared to Luke in the original trilogy, though I suppose it could be justified in that they're getting older and more lenient as a result
Personally the part that irritates me the most about Rey is bam sudden force power mastery when everyone else had to train for that shit, but that's about it. The Force Awakens has bigger problems
>>335668717
>To be fair some practice from using polearms could possibly carry over to helping handle a lightsaber
So all the time I've spent handling your Dads dick means I can lightsaber fight like a champ?
>>335664358
You know how fires burn brighter? They eat themselves from the inside out. Quickening is invigoration through tribulation. It is a short lived thing.
why is this /co/ fucking cancer everywhere you look
Fuck off, /co/ is for people with the mental age of 9
>any cartoon past 1999
What happened to the thread?
>>335654257
If I'm gonna reach back in time to call this guy a fag, I'd like to say the T-16 and the X-Wing have literally the same controls.
It's not jumping from a Cessna to an F-14, it's learning to fly in a civilian grade F-14.
Fuck off to /tv/
>>335634508
your perception of women is skewed.
>>335634508
YOU'RE a Mary Sue!
>>335638935
Static characters aren't Marry Sues. Are you retarded?
>>335635419
Your waifu =/= Mary Sue. Unless you have shit taste.
>Coud have been a cosplay/waifu posting/porn star thread
>Instead we got Star Wars: Mary Sue Awakens shitposting
Fuck.
>>335668268
who is this cute girl :3 ??
>>335644884
because he is a self insert of a wonderful human being
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