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http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743584206
>So what can we do to capture that nostalgia of when WoW first launched? Over the years we have talked about a “pristine realm”. In essence that would turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder. We aren’t sure whether this version of a clean slate is something that would appeal to the community and it’s still an open topic of discussion.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/
MMO-Champion's current poll results for "Would you play on a pristine server?" is almost evenly split between 'yes' and 'no', with 'no' being the majority. The poll has a total of 71.5k votes thus far.
Mark Kern's open letter to Blizzard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60CXk503QsQ
Something tells me they're finally going to cave and announce legacy servers at Blizzcon to resounding fanfare.
You think you do, but you don't.
>>335629476
REEEEEEE
>>335629171
>remove all XP boosts, character transfers, and LFD so that you can experience WoD endgame at a slower pace
oh joy.
>>335629476
This
Just go play Warhammer online: Return of reckoning
>>335629171
>Pristine shit
>aka all the garbage WoD/Legion content, dumbed down removed skills and stats but now without all the convenience
No thanks.
Proper Legacy Servers or they can fuck off.
>>335629171
>turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder.
literally why
these things did ruin the game, but no one will want to play on a server that will slow progression to a crawl if they can choose. it was only nice when these things didn't exist on any server.
>>335629680
whats that image supposed to mean
>>335629171
>so about those legacy servers
You think we can, but we can't. Here's a new realm with disabled level boosts to please the masses.:^)
>>335629171
>mfw all chinkstalrius accomplished was convincing blizzard that there's enough money in the private server market for them to get in on the jewing action
So long as flying mounts are gone as well. Otherwise I'm never coming back.
>>335629171
>technical difficulties
has any group of developers ever delivered a more genuine line of bullshit?
>>335629981
They will never do Legacy servers because they want you to:
1. Keep buying new expansions
2. Keep buying new store pets and mounts (and infrastructure for this didn't exist until mid WotLK)
3. The current WoW team has ego the size of our galaxy and would never accept that older version is superior to "their" vision
https://www.techinasia.com/firefall-mark-kern-sacked-the9-story
Yeah, about that.
>>335630069
Cataclysm leveling experience made it clear to me that flying mounts were useless even for speed. All we needed was more flight masters which is what Cataclysm added.
I wouldn't be against adding more flight masters to vanilla/tbc/wotlk personally.
>>335630069
Makes you wonder why they don't just put fast travel in WoW.
You think you think, but you don't
>>335630453
flight masters were fine
the only problem with flight masters in vanilla that made people whine for flying mounts was the fact that they often didn't put flight masters in quest hubs for no good reason, and a lot of the time they took ridiculous circuitous scenic routes that made the flight take 3x longer than it had to
>>335629171
What I didn't like about WoW
>heirloom gear being so fucking strong and usable from levels 1-??
What I did like about WoW
>heirloom gear offering experience bonuses (just put it on rings and shoulders or something, and not every item you can equip
>getting mounts earlier and earlier
>Dungeon Finder that calls in a Healer or Tank if yours left
>Sharing quests if you've got it and the other person hasn't
>Pokemon battles
>10 wide level brackets for battlegrounds
Not every single thing they added was bad, some of it was quality of life shit. Having to sit and eat or drink after every single enemy was okay when the game first started, but it quickly became too annoying for words. You never feel stronger, you just have a few more fun skills to use before needing to wait in-between killing shit.
And when would they do the server? When it first launched and everything was unbalanced, broken, buggy? End of classic/start of Burning Crusade, when some of that shit is fixed, Silithus has a reason to exist? BC, where Horde can have Paladins and Alliance can have Shaman?
>>335630596
I resorted to getting a Peggle add-on for my flights, and it even worked versus, so if somebody else had it installed, you could play against each other.
So much of that waiting shit would have been over and done with and you would have saved $1 a month in play time if the flights just flew straight up, headed straight there, and landed.
"Pristine" Servers sound absolutely batshit, like, the worst of both worlds
Why not just license Nostalrius?
>>335630630
>you will never go through buffing other people as a Paladin again
>or refreshing your blessings every 30 seconds while questing
>>335630137
how can people buy from the store if they dont bother putting anything in it?
I thought wow is pretty much an afterthought for blizzard seeing as its currently in the worst content drought in WoW history
>>335630919
Did you read the post? He gave some bullshit excuse that it was too difficult for legal reasons to allow fans to host their own servers.
What did he mean by this?
>>335631927
Probably trying to offer them desk jobs or community manager positions. You know, because Blizzard is ALL ABOUT THE FANS! :^)
>>335632004
I think it was a "yes" to legacy servers without actually saying yes.
>>335631210
sorry m8 i'm out of [Symbol of Kings]
>>335631927
What happened to their attitude of "you think you do, but you don't" ?
>>335632071
They just said "no" while actually saying "no". Figuratively, anyway.
They're not doing legacy servers. Not unless the fanbase pushes them even harder.
>>335632170
A show of support from the community like nothing else before changed their mind.
>>335632254
>They just said "no" while actually saying "no". Figuratively, anyway.
Where?
>>335632170
nostalrius got big enough that the jews in charge found out about private server money and ordered the retard crew to swallow their pride and implicitly admit that all they've done is take a good game and turn it in to shit.
>>335632353
>We explored options for developing classic servers and none could be executed without great difficulty. If we could push a button and all of this would be created, we would. However, there are tremendous operational challenges to integrating classic servers, not to mention the ongoing support of multiple live versions for every aspect of WoW.
This is essentially a big fat "no, we can't do it".
They're probably reaching out to the Nostalrius devs to help soften the ridiculous PR backlash this has been and offered them some sweet Blizzcon swag and maybe a job convincing everyone who petitioned to buy Legion.
>>335632586
>we can't do it with our billion dollars but a ragtag team of nobodies with a server can
it's like
you just, but can't even know it
>>335632586
>Legacy servers are difficult to do
No shit. That's not a no though bud. Keep desperately clawing :^]
>almost 250k signed petitions
>forums blowing up with legacy server posts
>streamers with 14+ million viewers combined pledging to stream legacy servers
>major e-celeb with huge followings openly expressing their disgust toward Blizzard
>people want legacy servers more than they want a new expansion
>all because they won't release legacy servers
Why don't they, just, you know, do it?
>>335629171
Terrible idea and shows that Blizzard doesn't know what people want. Why would anyone want to experience WoD at a slower pace? It's still the same shit game but slower.
>>335632972
They don't have the team to do it yet. Private Servers weren't perfect, they still needed scripts fixed and bugs cleaned up. You need a staff for so many people. People get a lot more entitled and lawsuit ready when they're paying to play a game.
>>335633056
Actually they do know what people want. They want a reason not to give it to them. They introduced the pristine server idea because they hoped it would be enough to get people to shut up.
It's funny because in introducing the idea essentially just made them admit that all of those features they added in were bad decisions and killed the game.
>>335632735
>Legacy servers are difficult to do
they're really not. just take some of the pointless empty ghost town servers and start running the old 1.12 server code on them, then distribute the client. done. Since they actually have all the code backed up, even making changes to the client like making it use the newer option menu instead of the original garbage one wouldn't be difficult.
>>335632972
because then they'd have to admit that all their dev team has done with all their millions of man hours of work, is make the game less enjoyable.
>>335633484
>they're really not
They're easy when they're hacked. Blizzard is expected to have a certain level of quality that works on new and future hardware, which the game patches at that time were not made for. They're right in that its not easy for them to do, but it is doable.
>pristine server
>removes all the shit that ruined WoW over the years
The only question is would all the retail babies actually play on it?
Highly doubt Vanilla players want to do WoD's dogshit content
>>335633702
..the old wow software has never had a problem running on new hardware
i think they should make legacy servers and make all live realms pristine
also vigorously merge servers. fuck crosszones
>>335633791
It's not as simple as that, unfortunately. They've actually had to continuously update Diablo 2 and WC3 to work on new hardware, as an example.
>Blizzard once again telling people what they actually want instead of what they think they want
How about they fuck off and die?
>>335634015
those games are running on engines that are a lot older and use outdated rendering technology. WoW is based on directx, new versions of which are always backwards compatible.
>>335630069
Yeah pretty much everyone who isn't severely autistic wants them in
>>335634240
you'd have to be a retarded child to want flying mounts. they killed the world long before queues did.
>>335629171
It's fucking nothing
>>335634338
>"I j-j-just wanna go f-fast!"
and they say we're autistic
lmao
>>335629616
omg holy shit I didn't know about this! I really liked warhammer online I felt a bit sad it never got the fanbase it deserved.
It seems they just don't want to admit that people prefer older content over the the mess that is WoD. I feel part of the reason why they won't make legacy servers is that they rather save face and come off as they are unable to do anything.
Its understandable that making this request a reality is difficult but it seems like they are more focused on protecting their next expansion to ensure profit. Even if they do make them, will that many play? I played private servers purely based that I couldn't afford retail. The community and environment was only an added bonus.
>>335629171
Just because people spamming yes with bots on a fan site doesn't mean Blizzard is going to cave, get fucked and kill yourself nostalgiafag. Game has improved greatly since the start but I'm guessing your a wrathbaby or Catababy.
https://youtu.be/oDA1ona-duQ
>>335631927
J. Allen "You might just get your server back" Brack
>>335632586
>If we didn't have to put any effort into making private servers and could press a button, we totally would I swear :^)
They don't want to do it because it would pad out the current game client by 4 gig. Blizz would only do vanilla if it meant that you were subbed (not wow token) to the current expack, payed an additional fee for use and it was integrated into the normal client somehow.
>You think you do, but you don't
There are probably devs who actually mean this, Blizz would just tear legacy servers to shreds in an attempt to make money. The company is far too corporate and "image" based to allow legacy stuff to work the way people actually want it to.
Everything Blizz does these days is nitpicked over by 100+ people to make sure it is safe. Look at the Overwatch SJW backlash shit, look at them only trying to do "safe" games/content, tf2 clone, moba, expansions. The company is too big to take risks which aren't board approved. It's why they need to be bombarded about shit with a private server.
>>335634574
yeah rip warhammer, was a fun game
warrior priest pvp was gud
hoping for legacy wow
>>335636471
Marauder here. Yeah I'm hoping for the same, but knowing wow they would fuck it up for stockholders stakes.
>>335630010
I regret finding the source of that image.
>>335636945
>Hellfire Citadel patch trailer
>They throw Gorehowl at Grommash's feet
>He didn't know Garrosh was his son until after he got buttfucked to death by Thrall
>>335633647
Exactly.
>>335631927
SEE YOU IN THE COURTROOM LOSERS
>>335636945
>No Gorehowl weapon for Legion
>Grommash costume for this year's Halloween
Okay I guess. I love Grommash.
Lol blizz is fucked. Mark is charging into that office with 12000 pages of pure petition and going to show Mike what's up.
Beware.
You people seriously have no idea who Mark Kern is. If you did, you wouldn't want him on the same continent as the thing you want. But good luck that.
>>335637741
The kek has spoken
>>335637741
Context?
>>335629171
Mark Kern trying to get his job back riding the nostalgia train but he sucks so bad Mike won't even answer the phone. My sides.
>>335638047
>Nostalrius got shutdown
>Psycho frogposter warns anons not to go to blizzcon.
i used to play tauren shaman during vanilla but if legacy servers make a return i'm thinking about dwarf paladin becasue i never played alliance past lvl 40
>>335638047
I don't think there context homeboy. I thinks he's going for chos high score at blizzcon.
Mark Kern helped ruin Firefall, therefore everything he says is wrong - therefore fuck whatever the subject of this thread is.
>>335638237
Paladin, in vanilla?
Don't do that... They are the most useless class.
>>335638237
I'm going to be a gnome warlock because I've never given gnomes a fair chance.
>>335629171
this is a scheme of blizzard's to not have to put up legacy servers
if people vote no to all of this shit, then they know for a fact that they won't play on a legacy server
if people vote yes, they dont have to make a legacy server, they just tweak the current game
>>335638404
That or gnome prot warrior
>>335638237
>>335638372
Legacy servers aren't happening. Possibly "pristine" servers, which won't be anything like vanilla aside from removing LFG and shit.
The class and race balance will be shit just like it is now. The itemization will be shit. The content will be shit.
>>335638595
Just dreaming I guess.
>>335638372
tfw i love hybrid classes but druid has never appealed to me.
i've already played shaman, and if paladin is out of the question, then what's left for me? NOTHING!
"Pristine servers" are an interesting idea, but I feel like it's missing the point as long as all of the content they've replaced with re-done versions over the years (Naxx, the pre-Cata old world, half of the Vanilla level-up dungeons) is still inaccessible.
>>335638372
>They are the most useless class
nice meme
While their Pristine server concept isn't what we were asking for - It would definitely be an improvement. A lot of what was great about vanilla and TBC was player interaction. If you take out LFG, slow the leveling down, maybe, I dunno, tweak dungeons to not be faceroll while leveling... We might have something that kind of resembles an MMO again and not a fucking theme park.
Also disable flying mounts anywhere possible. Fuck flying mounts. Blizzard has a chance to redeem WoW to some extent here but I really doubt they'll do it right.
>MMO-Champion
>>335631927
It seems like they're legitimately interested in making proper classic servers a reality in some way, shape, or form, so it makes sense for them to get in contact with people who actually ran one of them (if an imperfect one.) Similar to how a lot of their class designers used to be major theorycrafters in the community.
>>335638465
those tweaks dont go far enough though.
Would I play a Legion server designed by competent devs that feels like a damn MMO? Yes. Absolutely. I dont have anything against the broken isles and am open to running new instances, tackling new battlegrounds and grinding new reps
But thats entirely dependent on if those instances are done well, the reps matter and tie back to the world and the battlegrounds are as fun as old AV.
Ontop of that, combat needs to be closer to how it was (threat mattering somewhat) and basic mechanics such as reagents (soulshards were fucking fine, feeding your pet was fine, if bag space is really a concern then add a reagent bag, it offers tangibility which is good), training your spells (ranks up for debate but at least make us still learn them and have some stuff tied to class quests) and stuff like resistances, armor pen, spell hit and attribute bonuses should come back (hey this is +fire, fire mages really love that!). Meanwhile haste and mastery are positive additions that add further variation between what gear a spec or class will want, creating more unique experiences. And vanilla or TBC tier crafting. bring back drop recipes that people want, bring back more variable mats rather than just 20 current ore.
I want the game to FEEL like old WoW. I dont really care if its the exact world, although pre-cata azeroth needs to be in the caverns of time, no fucking reason this isnt the case) but the gameplay needs to be there.
So are the changes they mention for pristine servers in the right direction? Absolutely, every one of them would help make the game closer to vanilla again, but is it entirely enough? No, miles from it.
>>335639849
and? Are you isinuating that /v/ doesn't have thinly veiled political discussions?
>>335639849
>[Megathread] Bernie Sanders 2016
>>335639914
They're not interested in the slightest. It has taken the fanbase THIS MUCH FUCKING EFFORT to get this little, tiny response out of them.
If they keep going this route it will hurt them terribly. Frankly I've never seen a developer not listen to their fans as much as neo-Blizzard.
>>335640123
>They're not interested in the slightest.
So why would they engage in discussions with people who ran an extremely popular Vanilla private server?
>>335629171
I wouldn't play current WoW without all of that shit. I'd play old WoW as it was, but not as "Modern WoW - all the good parts".
>>335640252
>So why would they engage in discussions with people who ran an extremely popular Vanilla private server?
By "they" you mean "their lawyers," right?
>>335630152
Yeah this means he is wrong.
>>335640252
Because the Nostalrius shut down has been a public relations nightmare and they're doing what they can to quell it without actually giving in to what the fans want.
There is no point speculating what kind of "discussions" are being had with the Nostalrius development team. Blizzard would not turn development of legacy servers over to a punch of private server script kids. I'm guessing they are throwing numbers at them to get them to start openly supporting live or their fucktarded pristine realm idea.
>>335640123
>implying old blizzard ever listened to their fans
take off your fucking nostaliga goggles
>>335630069
>make the world feel smaller
who cares
>no threats in the skies
who cares
>all the art, details and monsters are on the ground
oxford commaand who cares
>no movement mechanics
who cares
>looking at a skybox is boring
who cares
>killed world pvp
world pvp died long before flying mounts
>gives you essentially god-mode
>being a buttmad ganker who wants to kill afk players
>makes the world seem emptier
see first "who cares"
>wow's netcode
who cares
>killed exploration
I explore more with flying mounts than I ever did without them. Fuck daze.
>for games to be exciting there should be an aspect of risk / reward
do you genuinely think flying is playing the game. The game is raids, bgs, and arena.
Flying is a method of travel, a way to get from point a to point b. You don't bitch about flight points. You shouldn't bitch about flying.
>>335638197
>mfw he doesn't know the frosgposter got raided by the fbi
Even if its just a joke you can still get raided by the fbi. They really got nothing better to do these days.
>>335630069
anyone who thinks flying killed exploration is retarded. Blizzard not adding flying-locked content worth looking for killed exploring
>>335629171
when blizz made their comment regarding nostalrius i dont think they got it. they said making pristine server would just not have the leveling bonuses and cross realm/group finder. the whole point of nostalrius was vanilla wow with no expansions. doing "pristine" servers is just a half ass job. if you're gonna do anything make them legit legacy servers and do it right.
>>335640626
do you think they discovered tadpole porn?
>>335640387
>By "they" you mean "their lawyers," right?
The context doesn't imply that they're going to sue the fuck out of their asses.
>Because the Nostalrius shut down has been a public relations nightmare and they're doing what they can to quell it without actually giving in to what the fans want.
And talking to the Nostalrius guys does that how exactly? The pristine server thing was their attempt at fostering public relations.
>There is no point speculating what kind of "discussions" are being had with the Nostalrius development team.
Yes there is fuckhead. Why on Earth would you say there's no point speculating about it? What possible fucking reason could they have to be talking to guys who ran a private server? They obviously have an interest in legacy servers and are seeing just how much the Nostalrius devs can help them out. The Nost guys have already said they're willing to hand over everything they've worked on to Blizzard to help them make their own legacy servers.
>I'm guessing they are throwing numbers at them to get them to start openly supporting live or their fucktarded pristine realm idea.
And right after you say there's no point speculating you go on to make this absolutely retarded speculation. Taking out heirlooms/lfg/lfr/tokens/boosts for pristine servers wouldn't require them to contract or even converse with people who ran a private server.
For some odd reason, you desperately don't want legacy servers to happen. It's really fucking weird man.
>>335630137
a lot of people (myself included) would play both though. if you just had to log in and change your realms to switch to legacy, then i'd have a main for both. i'd raid in legion with a group of buddies and when my lockouts were done on that character, i'd hop over to legacy and start progression on that guy. rather than how it is in wod where once you're locked to your raids you just have the option of sitting in garrison or doing the exact same fucking content on slightly higher difficulty. i know vanilla didn't offer a boatload of content but it's still just a different flavor of gameplay to add to what you're doing.
>>335640252
to make angry fans think they care when they dont
saying "engaging in discussions" is the most vague inconclusive thing ever
>>335641089
meant for
>>335640454
as well
>>335641089
Apparently you can't read sarcasm too well.
It's pretty obvious they are talking to the team because that's fucking how public relations work. They are attempting to reach out to the community and convince them to be alright with no legacy servers, or settle with a cheap compromise. There is no other reason to speak to them. They will not allow them to develop a private server and they will not recruit them to develop legacy servers. That is why I said there is no point in speculating.
I want legacy servers. We will not get legacy servers. The reasons have already been laid out by Blizzard themselves. They give no shits about their fanbase. They only care about covering this mess up quickly so they can sell more copies of Legion™.
>>335641586
You literally ignored my entire post and just reiterated every retarded point you made. Re-read the post you just responded to for a refutation on all of your arguments.
>>335642018
>you literally ignored my entire post
Or you can't read.
>>335640591
This man gets it. It's all about killing bosses, wrecking scrubs, and getting fat loot. If you're playing for any other reason in the year 2016 then you're playing modern WoW wrong.
>>335642132
epin shitposts brotherr
>>335634086
>no playthrough is the same
but TOME is the fucking worst for that, you have to generally go through the same areas over and over again with very little variation in enemies and general layout.
Pristine is the right direction. The people who want Vanilla only 1-1 are the most extreme and radical on this debate and are not worth catering to. What this provides is forced community and group work which is what is missing.
>>335629171
So its maplestory reboot/Tibia classic PVP 2.0 then?
>>335629171
Sounds like a load of shit desu. Vanilla or bust.
>>335640591
>world pvp died before flying mounts
when in vanilla did world pvp die? because flying mounts were introduced in BC and I remember quite a lot of battles in auchindoun and hellfire
>>335643681
By battles you mean someone swooping in and ganking a lowbie then flying off?
>>335643284
Shit bait
>>335643681
Alright then wiseguy, if there was lots of battles in TBC even after flying mounts were introduced, then what killed world pvp, because that makes it sound like world pvp was still alive during tbc.
>>335643767
Nah, I mean groups of 10-20 people meeting at the shrines and fighting for control. Sorry you were on a shit server anon
>>335643782
Whatever you say my man but you are NEVER EVER getting Vanilla legacy realms. The longevity just isnt there to support it.
>>335643849
Wintergrasp
>>335643767
Stop repeating yourself shill.
Repeatingly saying something does not make it true as hard as you try.
>>335643869
You can do that at any time in any expansion. Thats small scale scuffles that happen rarely purely because of how close they are. Nothing on the scale on Vanilla world PvP in size or frequency.
>>335643849
same thing that killed the rest of wow, people grew up and stopped playing, new kids came in and already had their shittalking and sense of community from cod. Wotlk at least had wintergrasp and ganking people doing dailies in the mountains and summoning for ulduar. Once cata came around and flying was introduced to the old world (and after they destroyed everyones memories) people stopped caring.
I basically look at it like BC being the apex, wotlk falling off a bit, and cata being the final nail in the coffin
>>335640591
>who cares if a travel method makes everything in the world into a literal fucking joke
lmao who cares if I can godmod my character
>you dont bitch about flight points
flight points are FAR more restrictedand still need to be spread further apart
tfw vanillafigs have no argument
ITS OVER. BLIZZARD WINS. I have already preordered too.
Who cares are pristine shit which will never happen?
Legion looks fucking amazing.
Can't wait honestly, the art design is this zone is orgasmic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlXJJoXW2qM
>>335644137
This guy gets it. WoW died because it grew too popular and mainstream as society and its views towards gaming and MMOs shifted. They had no choice but to cater to a changing demographic which made up the majority.
>>335644137
TBC had attunements
It was most definitely not the apex.
>>335644186
Not nearly as orgasmic as killing 10 million boars to get revered for a faction to get attunement for a dungeon to get attuned to a raid to sit in chat all day to fill missing slots and then just not going haha
>>335644368
I miss attunements, it helped to force community and make guilds closer.
If legion would go back to having them along with a shit ton of dungeons I might consider resubbing
>>335630069
All you have to do is lower the flight speed to ground mount levels or lower and reduce the height of which you can fly.
Problem fucking solved.
>>335644463
You obviously never fucking played during TBC and had to replace raid members.
>>335634474
>samefagging
A U T I S M
Thanks, nostfags. You have have distracted our devs from finishing legione faster.
Pic related
>>335644814
>quoting a post you made and posting it on /v/
>>335644814
How is it possible for someone to be so far up Blizzards ass?
>>335644186
Shilling aside, that does look pretty fucking awesome.
Fuck. I'll be buying this turd won't I?
>>335644959
people like that stimulate blizzard's prostate
>>335644972
You will because deep down you know that once garrisons are gone, the only thing stopping WoW is LFG and CRZ and they will be destroyed soon. The root of evil will be purged.
>>335644814
>literally quoting your own blizzard forums post
>>335642732
Yeah. TOME gets seriously boring if you play it too much in too short a span.
>whoops, I died. Now to go through 40 minutes of trivial zones before I'm back to a full, interesting build with challenging content.
At least ADOM does its best to murder you even in the starting areas.
>>335644907
>>335645435
Doesn't make me less right.
>>335644959
I don't get why people like you are so far up nostralus ass.
>>335644186
>legion looks amazing
it really does, which is why I want them to get their head out of their ass and make a game that feels like TBC again.
Hardline purists are being retarded as fuck, and Blizzard doesnt have the balls to go far enough with Pristine servers. The night elf city looks FUCKING GORGEOUS and could be an AMAZING area...if they didnt let it become just a faceroll zerg like it will
>>335629171
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17611011067
>>335645685
>admitting to quoting your own post
>>335644629
Been playing since before zg patch but sure, I guess I'm new. Same guild from vanilla through cata as well
>>335634086
TOME was better when it was Tales of Middle Earth
>>335629171
it's at least an admission all the premium services added in wotlk were terrible for the game
>>335638372
>Don't do that... They are the most useless class.
Yeah wouldn't want to trivialize all the endgame content.
>>335645771
But the restrictions just arent enough. They deal with community and the leveling process, but what about max level damage scaling? They need to make more of the world quests and Broken Isle quests group/elite based. Its not enough just to slow down leveling and remove CRZ/LFG although thats a huge step.
>>335629171
What can we do to capture the nostalgia without actually giving you what you want?
Well we can take the current game, strip it of convenient features and make it obtusely difficult without all of the things you liked about vanilla. And you can pay 20 a month. How about that?
>>335638372
>best single target healers in the game
>blessings
>DI
>useless
>>335640123
Blizzard seems to drag its feet for everything these days. They're not the only developer who's said something was too difficult or resource intensive to do, but I feel like I hear it pretty often from them these days.
>>335640454
Blizzard
>hey nost guys, how monstrously in debt were the servers going to throw you had they stayed afloat?
>how many people bought your shitty gold at your stupid rates
>you do realize you can just make gold appear, right, like you didnt need to pay gold farmers to mine it
>you see that little number that appeared on the side of the GM UI, did you ever figure out what it did? No? good.
literally exactly what blizzard is asking the nost devs.
>>335630069
>WoW removed flying mounts in WoD to bring the community feel back
>They then make most of the gameplay instanced garrisons so you don't see other people
>Guild Wars 2 never included flying mounts to avoid the problem of flying mounts weakening the since of communities
>They have teleporters everywhere that made their decision pointless.
Are MMORPG developers retarded?
>>335646951
Even if they hadn't done that, the sense of community would have never come back to WoW
mostly because it wasn't fucking flying mounts that broke up the community (or LFG/LFR no matter how much fags want to say it is), it was the community that broke up the community.
>>335646745
the servers were paid for until 2017. The donation box rerouted you to the servers themselves.
>>335645685
no it does, and it makes you look like a whiny fanboy more than the nos people. and if you dont know why people enjoy an original version of the game i can bet you are a wrath or catababy and suck at playing. or maybe you are just actually autistic and care about this and think it really makes an impact on legion.
>Muh Achieve Points Muh toon
all content is easy now so inb4
>>335633626
thats got to sting
>>335644814
>>335645685
>Doesn't make me any less right
> -2
Pick one buddy, oh wait you cant, it's been decided
>
I wish Blizzdrones had the spine to actually boycott their games but we all know they literally can't survive without giving Blizzard money.
>>335629691
That is literally what people have been spamming in the nonstop wow threads all week. How the speedy leveling process is the worst part of the game and slowing it down a lot would make the game ten times better.
>>335647084
>it wasnt LFG/LFR
youre retarded.
>>335647409
actually i refunded legion after prepurchase, and deleted all blizz games except wc3 pirate off my comp. I dont miss much so, not really hard to. My toon and fun died with my guild back mid cata. also making that insta 100 felt dirty and bad
>>335647508
Yeah well, now it's not the core problem.
>>335629171
the amount of circlejerking in this thread is ridiculous
>>335647520
Sorry faggot, but it wasn't. They literally improved on a system that was fucking broken from the start.
Sitting in the city trying to build a group was fucking shit and you need to fucking die if you think that shit is worth it.
you niggas will play an official vanilla wow server for 5 months, beat all content, and quit. the server then becomes deserted.
the only reason nost lasted with that activity that long is because skeleton crews can't script aq40 or naxx worth a shit.
>>335647409
Boycott what? Why in god's name would people that don't spend their nights jacking off to memories of vanilla wow care that blizzard isn't interested in making vanilla only servers?
These threads really are the newest cringiest threads on /v/.
it's going to be great when it's not undertuned like every private server in existance and people don't blaze through all the content and everyone gets pissed off as a result.
>>335647608
You literally cant in 5 months, it takes too long, leveling and gearing, also gear was rare and precious then and rpg elements existed
you obviously have never played vanilla so gtfo
>>335647409
You know what's even more pathetic than Blizzdrones? People like you that act like Barneyfag and get triggered the moment anything Blizzard related gets posted.
>>335647573
The only "core" problem is whatever each individual has decided it is. So unless you honestly expect blizzard to make a million different servers tailored to each random asshole I don't think Blizzard could ever "fix" whatever the mystery "core" problem is.
Even the dozens of people in this thread bitching about how much they hate WoW now and how blizzard has betrayed them couldn't possibly come up with a consensus on and ideal legacy server. And thats only an insignificant fraction of the number of people you would need to be willing to pay 15 bucks a month every month forever for it to be financially viable for blizzard to do.
>>335647810
How could it be undertuned? Vanilla was easy. The comically low rate of gear acquisition was the only stopgap. That and some stupid mechanics like fights based entirely around tank taunts during a time when taunts could miss.
>>335647730
>Calls thread cringe
>randomly posts unrelated cat on video game forum
[Spoiler]you're as bad as the nostfags[\spoiler]
>tfw you miss picking herbs with your undead disc priest
I know the light had forsaken me, but i never stopped believing in the light.
>>335648007
>not recognizing the cat
Fucking newfags.
>>335648007
I'm saying that Nostfags are cringey
a Burning Crusade server with level 60 raids "buffed" to level 70 would be the best
>>335638372
They literally had to cross pollinate horde with paladins and alliance with shaman in TBC because of all the endgame raiders crying about how much paladins brought to the table.
So instead of getting max level in a day, it takes maybe 3 and you're still left with the same shitty end-game of neo-wow
>>335646951
Do you honestly believe people spent most of the leveling experience in their garrisons? Or most of the content in general?
Even now people spend most of their time in Tanaan.
>>335648021
>warlock herbalist for raiding
>need that shadow power
>farming in winterspring with enslaved fel guards
I loved Winterspring so much.
>>335647409
>boycott
This never has, and never will work. The amount of people who don't buy games based on principle are a drop in the ocean compared to the day1 fanboys and the mainstream "nerds" who lap up corporate advertising.
It's over, they won.
>>335647858
Blizzard is the worst company in the world related to video games. Do you expect me to asspat them?
>>335648171
nah they wanted to specialize each class more and felt like they couldn't if they were always trying to balance 2 classes with each other
shamans were powerhouses as well which is why horde usually progressed faster
>>335647968
because anything past molten core and ZG still doesn't leave a huge room for error regardless of how simple it is. the only reason people blaze through them on scriptcraft, nost, etc is that people are doing completely inflated damage unless you actually think warlocks were doing 900 dps in AQ20 or people were taking ragnaros to ~20% before the first submerge while making progression.
>>335648482
>worst company related to video games
You people are so fucking delusional it's not even funny.
>>335647508
yes it is a problem
but XP rates are only one part of that. Difficulty itself plays a role in how fast you go, you can pull 10 things at once and be alive with full mana in a minute on live. Without anything done to adjust 1) quest rewards and 2) player strength vs mob strength it will still be laughably easy and quite fast.
And leveling is not the only issue the game has. Pretty much every aspect of the game has flaws that need to be fixed. Leveling would only be the tip of the iceberg
ideally all would be addressed, and I think a lot of players would be more open to the idea of "pristine" servers if it didnt stop at just leveling speed and removal of LFG
>>335648171
>because of all the endgame raiders crying about how much paladins brought to the table.
While it's true bitching happened a lot, mostly whenever there was an alliance server first. The truth is Blizzard couldn't balance encounters between factions.
>>335648576
People who think supporting criminals is okay are delusional.
Miss me yet?
>>335648794
>Coming from someone who no doubts supported the people that hosted Nost
How ironic.
>>335648794
yes ur right, blizzard are criminals
>>335648482
>Blizzard is worse than EA
>Blizzard is worse than BioWare
>>335648482
>Worst then EA or Ubishit
>>335648976
>>335649067
Samefag
>>335644814
hope this is bait
>>335648595
This thread has made it clear people are only open to the idea of vanilla exactly how it was.
>>335649509
some people are. Some people are too retarded or angry to think about pristine being taken a step further
not everyone is a hardline purist who ONLY wants to play old azeroth. Some people just want the game to play like it did back then.
>>335649783
If you think pristine WoW would fix anything, you're sorely mistaken. The game needs to literally be taken back to step one to be good again. They need to start over from vanilla and try again.
>>335649945
alright, tell me why it needs to go all the way back to vanilla. tell me why, no matter what, it could not be fixed without restarting entirely
>>335649783
And
>>335649945
proves my point
People have a mental image of EXACTLY what they want in an MMO, and even 1 tiny thing off will be a deal breaker for them.
Its a no win scenario for Blizzard, which is why I wonder why they would even try.
>>335649783
>>335649945
Everything that is wrong with WoW will still be wrong. Pristine WoW, as it's described, is literally only removing the things that makes the game bearable, not the things that would make it better.
>>335650152
Every single thing its listed to remove have been things people have complained about for literally years. Literally. I have seen COUNTLESS POSTS on /v/ about how cross realm is the worst thing that ever happened to the game. How LFR and LFG are the worst thing that ever happened to the game.
How fucking heirlooms are the worst things that ever happened to the game.
So your opinioin is not unanimous.
>>335629171
Blizzard just doesn't get it.
>>335650152
hence why I said that pristine taken a step (or many) further would be a good solution.
read retard
also
>LFG and heirlooms are necessary to make the game bearable
literally just make it worse
>>335650117
>talent "trees"
>quests being boring as fuck
>quests being linear as fuck
>magical learning of spells and abilities
>removal of most abilities
>removal of interesting or unique abilities
LFG, LFR, experience gain increases, heirlooms, crz are all things that makes playing the game not fucking godawful.
>>335650452
I never really understood the love for talent trees.
I only ever cared about the major talents. Ones that gave you new abilities or fundamentally changed the way your class played.
And thats exactly what they still have with the modern talent system. They just cut the fat.
>>335650419
Imagine if you leveled up and got literally nothing.
Now imagine that level took you over an hour to get. At level 11.
>>335650586
>literally wanting less when you can have more
There's no reason for it. If the extra talents are just "fat" then what's the fucking purpose of removing them? You're asking blizzard to give you less for no discernible gain.
>>335649945
it'd probably be an improvement, just the idea of a fresh server with no xfers/bought gold is interesting, though it's still rush to a tiny amount of end game content basically
>>335650620
I don't need a game to give me a handjob every second kiddo.
>>335650138
>>335649945
You know, posts like this really make it clear that Blizzard was right with the "You think you want it, but you don't." thing.
>>335650845
fuck off memester
>>335650801
They were baked into everyone's kit. Instead of getting 10% more damage from talents they just made you DO 10% more damage in general. You lost nothing except something to do every other level while leveling. And as leveling became less and less important, that stopped mattering.
>>335650969
Bitch, what did you just say to me?
>>335650452
>talent trees
could be revamped back
>quests being boring
just write good quests
>quests being linear
design more forks and side questlines
>magical learning of abilities
make it so on pristine realms you need to train your spells
>removal of most abilities
add those back on pristine realms
>removal of unique or interesting abilities
add those back on pristine realms
none of those require a full restart. None of those require all of the TBC, Wrath, Cata, MoP and WoD quests, factions, instances and zones to be fully removed. You didnt even name something like pandas existing
All you need to do is take the pristine idea further. Rather than spitting on it and screaming no ask for them to take it to the next level
also
>LFG/LFR dont make the game godawful
your opinion is shit
>>335650891
But I don't "think" I want it, I know I want it.
Modern WoW is a fucking mess and removing the conveniences that make it a bearable mess only leaves you with a mess.
Vanilla wasn't perfect, it was godawful in a lot of ways, but it was better than it is now.
>>335651164
and those good ways cant be added into modern WoW why?
>STILL defending shit like LFR
kys
>>335651146
Except they fucking won't. They won't do any of that shit. It would be easier to just have the Nostalrius guys set their server back up as employees of blizzard and have them be official servers. Because what you're asking is for them to make a new game for Pristine Servers.
>LFG/LFR make the game godawful
you know what made the game godawful? Sitting in world chat for hours trying to get a group together. You need to take this fucking shit opinion and shove it back up your ass where it belongs.
>>335650452
What. Are trying to say quests are boring now and in vanilla they were exciting?
Are you serious?
>>335651467
I'm saying they're linear, steamlined like a roller coaster, and therefore boring.
>>335651467
Battle for Darrowshire and Tirion's quest were pretty good. Meanwhile in Modern wow we have Uldum and modern redridge.
>>335634086
>Buy effective upgrades from vendors
HAHAHAHA
ToME4 here: Not really, vendors are crap except early ame and rouletting late game.
>>335651564
As opposed to what?
Give me an example of what you think is interesting.
>>335651720
Why do you have it stuck in your head that I think vanilla quests are more interesting
Cata didn't make better quests, it just made them boring in different ways.
>>335651773
And I'm asking you to give me some examples of more interesting quests. Even from different MMOs. Do you want ones like in TOR? FF14? Like what exactly?
>>335651438
>sitting in world chat for hours
join a guild you fucking retard
or instead just stay on regular servers where casual shits like you belong
>>335651438
The only problem with LFD was that they pandered to the players saying dungeons were too hard with a random group. I think Blizzard should've ignored them and just keep the difficulty the same until people realize that you probably won't get carried in LFD and you might have to pull your weight.
People adapt to the difficulty if they want to play the content.
>>335651854
I'd prefer quests that aren't streamlined and boring.
I have no examples in mind of more interesting quests, alongside the fact that I haven't played a new mmo after WoW, ever. I played mmos all the time before, but after it, never.
>>335651860
Guilds don't solve everything, especially when it's late and not a raidnight so no one is on for a full group.
You ALWAYS had to pug someone and it was always a fucking pain in the ass.
>>335651949
As someone that played Cata, your logic didn't work. People stayed shitty and quit the group if they weren't getting carried. Eventually they got so irritated they quit. Its not the only reason people quit, but it was a very common one.
I honestly prefer relatively easy normal dungeons, but much more challenging mythic and challenge mode ones with much better rewards like they started doing in WoD and expanding on in Legion. If they actually tune mythic dungeons to always be challenging itll be good.
>>335639921
This is an excellent post. Why aren't you faggots marveling at it?
>>335652061
>you always had to pug someone
no I didnt and right now I dont
Make friend you fucking retard
>>335651949
Except that it still doesnt address the social decay caused by LFD
>>335651949
That's an argument I'll cede to. I don't think LFG made the game worse, it was blizzard's attitude towards LFG balance that made it worse.
>>335652293
I love the irony of this post.
>join a guild and stop interacting with the community, then
>LFD ruined the community because it made you stop interacting with the community
>blizzard pulls nost and everyone gets pissed
"I bet blizzard will just announce legacy servers to make everyone super happy and get dat publicity"
>pristine servers anmounced
Blizzard cant do anything right even when its handed to them on a plate
>Finding dungeon groups with no effort and free fast travel.
>Ridiculously fast levelling speed.
>The removal of any meaningful need to travel on foot anywhere.
>The removal of almost all challenge; the players are 10 times more powerful now, while the mobs have all been significantly weakened.
These are the main things that changed the way the world felt. It shrunk it; made its actual size insignificant. Which is a damn shame, considering that the reason WoW became so popular in the first place was how huge the world seemed when you first started playing. Even when you were at max level in Vanilla, you still felt like you had things to achieve because it took effort and time to get gear instead of instantly being teleported to the beginning of the dungeon 15 seconds after you beat it... And beat it with 4 completely random people who you never once have to communicate with in order to beat the instance.
This utterly destroys the value of loot and strips the veneer of fun from the basic grind of any MMO so badly that all you're left with is monotony without challenge.
>Less classes
>Less races
>Less content stretched over months of leveling
>Illusion of exploration even when all of that shit has been documented years ago
>Pvp balance none existent
I will admit, having cross-realm and lfr/lfd removed would be a plus. But giving up Monk and Death Knight for the sake of nostalgia would suck.
Plus, having PvP finally be it's own endgame content is an addition that has been long overdue. You can have your nostalgia wars, but I want what Legion has to offer if it means PvP can finally be separate from PvE scrubs.
>>335652248
WoD style was good, and one of the only good things it had was the varying difficulty.
However the fact it's technical content doesn't mean blizzard should just give up on doing more dungeon/raid content.
>>335652417
Its almost infuriating how incompetent they can be sometimes.
>>335647508
That doesn't really change anything wrong with the game. You could go right now and play a character without heirloom gear and be at cap ready for raiding in a week if that.
The only thing remotely related to leveling faster in current WoW from that list is heirlooms (which you wouldn't have the first time around) and going into LFD.
The XP rates of the entire game are completely fucked up to begin with now and you'd very easily just plow through zone after zone 1/4 completed before greatly outpacing it.
When people scream for vanilla (whether that's a good or bad thing) they want vanilla. Not just changes to exp but everything from questing to dungeons to crafting to everything.
Imposing some really tertiary things a player could easily do on their own within a modern server isn't remotely close to what people are actually asking for.
At best CRZ removal could be fun but even then.
>>335652517
>But giving up Monk and Death Knight for the sake of nostalgia would suck.
Don't forget Horde Paladins and Alliance Shamans.
>>335632004
didn't the nostalrius team say somewhere that they were willing to share assets with blizz?
honestly blizz could just hire them outright with little fuss, I don't see why they wouldn't
There's one thing I really disliked about WoD that I feel doesn't get enough attention
>Dark Riding and Dark War Talbuks used to be extremely rare because you either PvP'd enough during TBC to have the Halaa tokens to get them, or you found someone willing to trade kills with you for hours which many people aren't willing to do
>One of the most common "rare" garrison missions gives you exactly the tokens you need to buy a Dark War Talbuk
>Now both of them are owned by over 30% of accounts
>>335629171
If it is TBC or Wrath I might look into it. Vanilla is shit.
>>335652417
Blizzard has pulled the plug on Private Servers before, Pristine is announced not to emulate Vanilla servers, but to misdirect in a way of not wanting to do vanilla
>>335644186
Blizzard's game designers might be retarded, but their artists and musicians have always been fantastic.
>>335652417
because by compromising they would be able to save time and money while appealing to more players
also pristine servers are just an idea they tossed around. Not confirmed or even solidified
>>335652803
Those talbuks weren't rare at all, maybe in the first few months of the expansion, but tons of people had those, only note worthy ground mount was a war bear and even those became really common with people selling them.
Plus it's been like 8 years since that shit, anyone who wants one and would use it has it.
Notice how they didn't specify locking a build number.
"Pristine" is identical to any regular server. It just doesn't allow the optional level boosting gimmicks.
Nostfags are literally Goobergate 2.0.
>>335653353
Honestly, it's not a bad idea if only because it would get a bunch of people on board with the idea that they're "hardcore" and get an actual server community going that isn't basically forced anonymous on however large battlegroups are now.
>>335629171
servers without lfg/lfr, crz, heirlooms would be pristine?
is current retail wow not pristine in their eyes? wow
>>335629171
Can't smack the Brack.
>>335654225
PAPA BRACK KNOWS BEST ~ DESU <3
>>335629171
"Pristine" servers should be the default with the option to play legacy
>>335653780
its not a bad idea, but it needs more than just leveling addressed
Like I doubt they could do it for legion, but if they were it would need things like
>significant difficulty buffs
>removal of mission table, redistribute rewards to other places
>removal of order hall resources and stuff tied to that, too menu based just make them regular reputations and put things into items purchasable from vendor
and thats just off the top of my head. Some players would say remove artifacts too but its too late in development to consider that. in addition, there would need to be
>more dungeons
>better crafting
>better reputation rewards
>no split difficulty raiding, instead tie the raids themselves to varying difficulty
>no catchup mechanics
basically design with hardcore servers in mind, then take away or simplify for regular servers. I could see them fixing up Legion for a hardcore server by the end of the year if they actually decided to do so right away, but it would need more than just leveling fixed.
>>335653353
This. At no point in the very limited discussion has blizzard said you would be able to play an older build. If they really think removing heirlooms will satisfy people that want legacy servers, they are disturbingly out of touch. More likely they are just coming up with a new way to say no while making the people that ask look bad for turning down pristine.
>>335630596
The flight from Org to AQ took almost 40 minutes before they changed it.
>>335630596
>flight masters were fine
>proceeds to point out the crippling flaws in that system
They were dog shit for the reasons you just mentioned and anyone that says different never played vanilla. I would take a functional flight path system over flying mounts any day.
>>335633191
Vanilla was buggy as fuck already. I used to charge through the floor of the world every other day.
People are fine with things being slightly buggy if they know work is being done on it.
Halfway through vanilla they had more subs than they have now. Blizz is in completely denial.
>>335629556
For a potential vanilla server, dumbfuck.
>>335648007
>somebody saves your shitty wojack edit
Legacy isn't going to fix anything because people have all become jaded about MMOs in general. They're not new and exciting anymore. And they hate interacting with people unless they really need to. And you can literally solo most of them.
When will MMOs start actually innovating or changing it up?
>>335633647
How can they so shamelessly censor every opinion that just barely contradicts them?
>>335655671
The point is to keep it in one mega thread
like when /v/ has stickies
retard
okay guys,what do you think of this
Legacy Servers for Vanilla,TBC,and Wotlk
1 Normal,1 PvP,1 RP per expansion
Get interns to babysit,GM,and other shit to make sure it's running as it was way back when,or close to it (minus critical errors)
Create a Season system close to D3's current season system
Release patches at the start of every month or 2 months until the final patch,2 months after the final patch,reset everything back to 1.0,2.0,and 3.0 (Some seasons will end earlier than others due to number of patches per xpac being different) This way,top guilds won't necessarily stay at the top forever and it'll be easier for new guilds to rise and remain competitive with serverfirstfags
At the very end of each season,award players that have done X,Y,or Z with Cosmetic items that carry onto the next season
Sprinkle in new Dungeon and Tier sets that revolve around certain builds/talents just for some extra flavor
Fix a few flight paths
Keep the Achievement system and augment to fit the current legacy server (example:You cannot get the Leroy Jenkins achievement if you're playing on a TBC or WoTLK server as it pertains to a Vanilla dungeon)
seems like it would be easy as fuck to make a "fake" vanilla server with ilvl squishing, and it'd actually be a whole new meta and interesting
>>335655946
Not going to work. It will take literally months to gear enough to clear through content in vanilla content. Releasing every month will be pointless. You will finish the season just as people are touching AQ 40.
>>335655946
>1 RP
just make the normal and PvP one RP and RPPvP respectively desu. Saves space.
>create a season
no. stopped reading right there, thats retarded, progression should feel important and not be reset. One of the worst things about TBC was how your epic raid gear was replaced before you even got to stuff like Spellfire
>>335656049
then how about changing the lockout period from 7 days to every 48 hours?
>>335656152
Then people will bitch because its not "true" vanilla.
>/v/ claims to hate WoW
>Daily threads about it for the last 7 years
That's impressive. I mean there's Guild Wars 2, Rift, SWTOR, ESO, Wildstar, FFXIV, Aion, Black Desert and LOTRO. All of these other MMOs you could be talking about but you choose to discuss this one specifically each day for years and complain about it even though you're not playing it.
Why?
>>335656195
Because people love WoW
they hate the twisted corrupted monstrosity trying to pretend its WoW that is currently on the market.
>>335656250
People loved an idealized version of wow that never existed.
>>335656147
The biggest problem with implementing Legacy servers at this point would be this
Let's say that they do implement a legacy server and 2 million people come back,and let's say that all 2 million of those people make it to C'Thun and get all of their BiS gear
Well...now what? Once you're BiS with nothing else to look forward to,you'd be retarded to log back in,even the most autistic alt grinding faggot would have to stop at a certain point
Every major athletic association does this except they hold a tournament to end their seasons for the year
If you create a season system,you will have the incentive to come back and play again with your team and start back up again to prove that you're still the superior player/guild.Or if your previous guild/pvp team was shit,it'll give you time to find another one to join or try to recruit people yourself
>>335656541
Nope. They loved wow.
They hate the shifty corrupted nonsense pretending to be wow that is retail
>>335656250
You'd think you'd let it go after 7 years
>>335656195
Guildwars plays like shit and is utterly uninspired. Rift looked like garbage but played alright right up until it had no endgame. SWToR had great voice acting and fuck all else. ESO was full trash. Wildstar got killed by the hype and a panicked rush to F2P. FFXWhocares. Aion, weeb shit for people who hate wow more than they like anything. BDO FOTM that will end up like wildstar and Aion. LOTRO launched an mmo that could compete with EQ....when wow was king.
>it's a nostalricuck thread
Honestly your tears are delicious. I love watching you all get btfo
>>335656195
>>That's impressive. I mean there's Guild Wars 2, Rift, SWTOR, ESO, Wildstar, FFXIV, Aion, Black Desert and LOTRO. All of these other MMOs you could be talking about but you choose to discuss this one specifically each day for years and complain about it even though you're not playing it.
All of those MMOs have P2W gambling boxes and similar Jew shit though.
>>335629171
Why Vanilla though? Vanilla was underbalanced with certain classes being shit in endgame, took obcenely long to grind for stuff, had a lack of endgame content and generally was lacking. Atleast a TBC or WotLK with the pristine features would be good.
>>335656716
Doing the same raid progression multiple times sounds extremely boring, once you know the fight you know it so after the first time it'll just be a race of who logs on first.
Plus most fights in Vanilla weren't actually that hard, current ones are much harder. Half the challenge of the original wow was most people except for the top guilds knew what they were doing, and raid compositions in some fights.
>>335656995
I was interested in rift until I found out you needed to dish out like 100 bucks to use the cash shop souls, which are pretty much all the most interesting ones.
>>335657042
At least I'll never be a frogposter.
>>335657179
Pristine features, as per the post, dont go far enough in removing shit that was added
I dont know why people would be against a current expansion server that felt like playing vanilla (training skills, actually dying to world mobs, etc) but just changing leveling and removing LFR doesnt change nearly enough
>>335657190
What the fuck do you think has been going on in WoW since Vanilla?
Getting 40 and 25 man groups to do content was fun and challenging,it was about building a community and expecting players to not fuck up horrendously and do their job as their class as well as possible once a week( a raid can only be cleared once per week and then it's on lockout) is what WoW has always done
If you think doing the same content over and over is boring,then stick to PvP
>>335655268
None of those things were in vanilla you retard, of course they would have to remove them if they made a vanilla server.
They won't tho, they will do as
>>335629556
Says
Well, at least cross realm will be gone so the social aspect might come back to life.
>>335657192
I played it at launch. That Paladin/Deathknight combo for warriors was fucking ridiculous in PvP. There were other combos that were broken as hell but none had the survivability.
>>335657851
>that one rogue class where you stacked explosive charges on a person without them knowing and then blew them all up at once
>instant death from full HP
>Could stack the bombs from range
No anon, THAT was a fucking ridiculous PvP class. There is a reason it was the very first playstyle nerfed.
>>335657561
except it's not the same content, new raids are put out, most of the time people play for a few months, beat the content then quit till newer stuff comes out, but if you replace actual new content with "new" old content, no one is going to want to repeat it over and over.
Plus I don't think you understand how boring everything minus a few fights in naxx actually were compared to current ones. AQ40 was mostly a joke except for the twin emps, c'thun, ouro, and maybe viscidus but that was just a retarded gimmick, and most guilds cleared upto the twin emps pretty damn quickly. Blizzard only started experimenting with unique and harder mechanics in Naxx then really stepped it up in TBC and later.
>>335657449
Don't get me wrong, I think current WoW isn't good either. But Vanilla WoW has glaring flaws that nobody ever wants to mention. Atleast TBC and WotLK was when thing were at their peak.
>>335658130
I'm sorry,but I would hardly consider the WoD raids difficult,even on mythic
and yes,I was around for AQ20/40 and a lot of those fights are shit mechanically,We both agree on that
How about just giving the option for Heroic/Mythic versions of the raids where it takes all 40 people stay alive for 90% of the fight during twin emps or C'Thun and the only loot benefit is an extra piece or two?
>>335657994
You mean saboteur. Sab/Bard was the fucking shit. That was the other one I played a lot. It couldn't lead a charge or anchor a fight like the Champion/Reaver could.
There was also a super broken healer although I don't remember the souls. Tapped into shields, hots and DH and could jsut sit there and make a Champion/Reaver immortal. In fact those three were so broken you could shut down any battleground with them working together. So many rift players were slow on the uptake.
>>335658427
Well I'm saying that it doesn't really work in a game like WoW because once you learn the fight, it's very simple to kill it the next times. I'm saying that if there was a seasonal mechanic where it's the same boss fights, people would just steam roll through it in under a day after the first season and it would simply become a race of who has 40 logged in first, and most people would probably not care and just stop playing, like what happens at the end of every expansion.
>>335658427
>>335658427
>I'm sorry,but I would hardly consider the WoD raids difficult,even on mythic
post mythic kill achieves from last year before ilvl boost made everything faceroll easier
>>335658225
most of vanilla's glaring flaws were in balance and tuning, not core design. Only thing flawed design wise is that encounters and rotations were pretty mechanically simple, and that was somewhat counteracted by there being more behind the scenes such as resistances and classes having a more varied toolkit
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I might come back for this to be honest.
Only things they need to change as well are:
>No welfare epics so there is a progression system
>Up the difficulty of dungeons and heroics
The classes despite being shit in comparison is alright, it's manageable. Also remove transmog but that's a personal preference thing, I have no real arguments against it.
Simply removing LFD is the best thing they could do for the community and gameplay.
>>335631927
They're gonna break their frenchie legs and necks.
>>335629171
>people just can't leave MMO's behind
They had their time people, just let that shit go. We all lose our favourite genres, it's okay.
>>335644814
Why do the majority of people who play a female Draenei either have absolutely no sense of humour, are massive blizzdrone cucks or are generally terrible at the game?
Seriously, every one of them I've met has had a stick up their ass.
>>335662020
Only delusional people would pick a female draenei. they're next to female worgens and ne's in terms of sticks up their asses, or something horribly wrong with them.
>>335658427
I swear to fucking god if you are one of those fucks that treat LFR like real raiding I'm going to lose my fucking mind.
>cashgrabs servers with no wow tokens
>nostalgiafags actually want it
worst than blizzdrones
>>335662020
>massive blizzdrone cucks
even that and other naysayers point is wow is so shitty right now they can't afford to spend time on legacy servers
>>335660953
>I have no real arguments against it
At least you admit it
>PLS BLIZZ REMOVE TRANSMOG BECAUSE I DONT LIKE IT
>Why?
>IS BECAUSE... IS BAD FOR THE GAME! YEAH THATS IT
>"here, have this thing that barely qualifies as a legacy server"
>"this isn't really what we wanted, though"
>"SEE, WE TOLD YOU YOU DIDN'T WANT LEGACY SERVERS"
>youthinkyoudobutyoudon't etc etc
calling this shit now
>>335662467
Y-you too.
>>335662467
here is an argument, it breaks visual growth of your character
>be bad
>have weak gear
>look week
>git gud
>gear gets better
>see character look better
transmog takes away from that progression when the worst player can just pick up a full set from any TBC raid or a cata vendor and suddenly look like hot stuff when they play like hot shit
>>335662319
nope
Started Raiding during the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj all the way through a server first 25man Heroic Lich King as a Prot Warrior.Lead every raid,organized and managed dkp system,helped with some html for the guild page and was really into raiding
stopped after that and had 900 days of total playtime before selling that account for some dosh,made a second account and casually played with friends up until Imperator in WoD,currently have 25 days of playtime on my current account and only hop on when enough friends are online,otherwise I'm off doing other thingsLike wait for Steven Universe to come back from hiatus hell
>>335662616
>it breaks visual growth of your character
Well then don't use it.
>the worst player can just pick up a full set from any TBC raid or a cata vendor and suddenly look like hot stuff when they play like hot shit
They sure look good with those 12yo tiers lmao.
>>335629556
I thought that's what you nostalgia retards wanted, a boring grind game.
>>335636108
I don't know if you ever get any replies but I for one fully appreciate these Brack posts
>>335662415
>even that and other naysayers point is wow is so shitty right now they can't afford to spend time on legacy servers
He is right.
>>335662616
i don't really care that xmog exists, just that they've wasted huge effort on this wardrobe shit for a dressup game instead of warcraft, and that it was a poor method for keeping old content relevant
>>335662691
>dont use it
doesnt stop other people. You no longer see players hit cap and look like they are fresh blood, everyone has on generic slut mog or godslayerx gear no matter where they are in the game
>they sure look good with those 12 year old tiers
doesnt matter how old it is, it breaks some form of progression. Nobody should skip progression in an RPG, gear appearance is tied to quality and quality is tied to difficulty to obtain, this is basic fucking stuff
>>335638197
>Psycho frogposter
That's redundant.
>>335663246
>You no longer see players hit cap and look like they are fresh blood
How is this a problem? I want a regular armor not one of those stupid tiers they create now.
>it breaks some form of progression
It breaks your idea of progression, if you care so much about it just don'tmog your special myth gear and everyone will know you're a super good player.
> mfw we have to explain this to blizzard 20 times before they understand
>>335663524
I dont play an MMO if I only care about my character
Its health to associate character progression with appearance. I should be able to look at a player and say "hey, he seems super good" without having to inspect them
>>335663759
Why do you care about that so much? And you pretty much proved my point when I said it only breaks your opinion on progression.
>>335663898
because it just makes sense? Appearance has always translated into power, transmog goes against that.
and if you somehow dont think that looking better is a form of progression your delusional
>>335663992
>because it just makes sense?
It doesn't.
>and if you somehow dont think that looking better is a form of progression your delusional
Looking the way I want is more important than your illusion of character progression
>>335664306
>it doesnt make sense for those that look better to be stronger in an RPG
okay stay retarded
>meanwhile it's been 10 months since 6.2
>14 months of HC until Legion
Why do people even play this anymore?
Ghostcrawler did nothing wrong.
>>335640591
>The game is raids, bgs, and arena.
This is the actual problem and flying mounts aren't helping it
>Playing Pristine server
>Buy a bunch of old epics of the AH every new expansion level
>Get to level 91
>Buy ilvl 705 weapons off the AH
Who needs heirlooms?
>>335664347
Looking better is a matter of opinions and that's why your stupid "muh progression" shit is not a real argument against transmog
>stay retarded
xd
>>335664527
>looks are a matter of opinion
but some pieces are clearly trying to convey that they are superior, such as CM sets compared to quest gear.
If you saw an NPC wearing questing greens or an NPC wearing CM gear, which would you assume was stronger?
hint:not the one in quest greens
it doesnt matter if you think black mageweave looks better than a full tier set, a full tier set suggests that a player is on a higher level as it is harder to obtain a current tier set than some random crafted gear.
Its not some personal view on progression, raid gear will always look fancier to dungeon gear which will always look fancier than quest greens. If you arent progressing your gear that visual progression shouldnt happen either
>>335663565
When will you understand that you need to move on and stop playing shitty MMO games.
>>335629171
>Endless complains about why noskeks don't like current wow and reasons they don't want to play it
>"Look guys we heard you so we considered working on a server with all that shit you don't like disabled"
>"FUCK YOU BRIGNG BACK MUH VANILLA"
KEK
>>335665074
>Still has garrisons
>Still has shipyards
>Still takes 45 minutes to level from 90 to 100
>Still has Tanaan gear invalidating previous tiers
>>335644186
The art team has done an absolutely amazing job in Legion, but that's it
Every other part of the game, from class design to raw gameplay is absolutely destroyed
>>335665074
But, instant queues and game-tokens and paid transfers weren't the fucking things that people wanted removed.
I mean, they were some of them, sure. But they're not the reason people wanted legacy servers.
If you just remove heirloom gear and game-time tokens, you still fucking have the Facebook game, the lack of content, the nerfed raids, the bad class design, and the stupid leveling process.
This 'movement' is basically goobergate 2.0
>>335665227
I think, armor designs aside, the art team always kills it.
Why? Because they're artists. They're not swayed by game designers or corporate interests. They're paid money to make models and textures. Sure, they re-use a lot of stuff because they're told to. But every time they're allowed to put effort in, they do an awesome job. Because that's what they're paid to do.
Which sucks because the game ruins all of that effort.
>>335665480
Does she want to comment for or against pristine realms, though?
>>335665480
why the fuck do these people think video games are so damn important
>"Pristine" server means removing the pay2win 'features' of modern WoW to Blizzard
>not addressing the core that players who want 'muh vanilla' see the game as dumbed down shit and want their older game mechanics back
>they forgot it was always just a dumbed-down EverQuest clone even when it was slightly moar complex
>>335665704
Because it is a major part of their life?
>>335665668
Most likely against it. But the fact that her entire career is based on shilling WoW to the people who are left playing, she's more likely to come out in support of Blizzard's points.
>>335665704
Because Beta Orbiter only care about them through video games
>>335629171
>turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder
Honestly, this may be the smartest decision Blizzard has EVER made.
>>335666062
And it still isn't enough, they have a long road before them.
>>335666281
Oh yes. The path for the kind of redemption they seek is long. But if they do indeed go through with what they're talking about it would be a great first step.
That being said, based on the poll it doesn't look too good.
>>335666393
Now this makes me think. So much work for one of the most if not the most stubborn companies to return to their roots, instead of crowdfunding your own old-EQ-style indie MMO. There are so many capable of uniting their efforts and skills people out there I am amazed this hasn't happened already. Hell, there are no indie MMOs at all.
>>335644186
>that music
>>335645389
I don't get why people bitch about LFG. They have gone a long way to making LFG a meh option. Mythic dungeons and challenge modes give you big reasons to make actual groups for dungeons, and Flex and completely tossing all decent gear from LFR destroyed any need to do LFR.
LFG is basically just for powerleveling and maybe doing dungeon questions or whatever.
>>335644186
That is a big city. Man I don't care how mad people are with WoW, Legion is looking pretty fucking cool. Fucking LEGION BATTLESHIP OPERATIONAL at the end. Thats my shit.
>>335665227
What bothers you about the class designs. Like specifically, what do you hate about what they did to demo? How did swashbuckler ruin rogues?
Please be specific. Not something general like "pruning". Explain, specifically, what the problems are and why they are problems.
>>335644186
Art and music lookin' pretty fantastic, like damn.
but the game'll still suck
>>335644186
Reminds me of jade forest, which was probably one of the most gorgeous zones in the entire game.
>>335667103
>How did swashbuckler ruin rogues?
Playstyle wise it's effectively identical to Combat, except Slower, with even less buttons. Outlaw on Alpha is fucking garbage, it's got >40% downtime where you can't do ANYTHING. Can't speak for Locks though.
BASED MARK KERN, the only dev out there who truly cares about the gamers. FUCK you Blizz, FUCK you SJWs
>>335662658
oh so you're trash, glad you cleared that up
Were druids worth a shit in vanilla? I can't remember.
>>335667371
> ablu blu blu, I only gathered shitpost information about rogues and actually got no clue how rogues work at start of expacs when their haste stats are low, ablu blu blu
>>335667527
Resto was okay to have 1 or 2 of. Past that, hell no.
>>335667608
Nice projection. Outlaw doesn't scale for jack with Haste.
>>335630069
Its funny because they removed Flying in Draenor but the community cried about that.
Face it, you guys aren't WoW target anymore, move on and get another game
>>335667728
>What is energy regenation
Oh, you don't play rogue but want to talk about them, maybe you should be just like preach whn he does class videos
>>335667728
>projection
Do you even know what the words mean? or you just use meme words you heard and think fits in
>>335654424
>no catchup mechanics
So if you don't play in the beginning of the expac, you basically shouldn't even play the game. Nice.
>>335667951
Yeah because someone subbing right now is going to compete so well with my 795 ring even if the rest of their gear is the same as mine right?
>>335654424
Only people who care about buffing crafting is flex heroes who wants to have gear similar to Mythic raiders without working for it
>everyone to thinks this is a good thing is a small minded idiot completely missing the fucking point.
The fact that the poll on MMO champion is at Yes 50 %/ No 49 % shows that 50 percent of the games population religiously suck blizzards dick. Holy shit the point of all this is to get all of the old content that was removed with Cataclysm back in a playable state when it was still relevant. Blizzards halfassed attempt to quell this has made me even madder and the people supporting such dipshittery are the fucking icing on the cake.
>>335667736
Eh. I think the way flying was handled in WoD was good. It was disabled until all the content was already out for a while, so you had to actually get around on foot BUT flight paths were (mostly) good and you had some garrison related options for getting around quicker, like the mage tower or aveena's feather.
I think thats a good plan for the future.
I mean, I kind of liked how cata zones were literally designed around you being able to fly. How lots of zones could barely even be completed without a flying mount. Let them do some really cool area designs. I fucking loved how vertical Hyjal was, for example. But, as long as the zones aren't horrendously awful to navigate on foot (I'm look at your Heavensward), the WoD method, and soon to be the Legion method, should be a nice compromise.
>>335668145
I can't comment because I haven't played since wrath. Is 795 good?
>>335668246
Its funny because you guys are basically begging to suck Blizz dick.
>P-p-please Blizz-sama give us your dick like in ol' good days lord
>>335629171
THEY ARE ACTUALLY GETTING RID OF LFG AND LFR
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I hope there are special rewards for playing a pristine server.
>>335668246
>Thinking it has anything to do with fanboyism, when a lot of people don't give a fuck about playing on vanilla servers
I think it's the nostalrius fanboy in you who is mad that the poll isn't 85%+ in your favor
And you're not looking at the bigger picture here, it's still 40k people who want pristine servers, no matter the percentage
>>335668358
Its massive yeah.
>>335668246
This is what kinda' worries me.
Half the current WoW players are "Blizz Can do No Wrong"-drones, who will defend everything Blizzard has done to death.
I knew they existed but I didn't know they amassed in such great quantity.
>>335668246
wow, shitsforbrains like you is why it should be legal to abort
>>335668358
It starts at 735 and goes up a MAXIMUM of 3 ilvl a week assuming you Kill Archi on normal Difficulty or greater every week. It also takes around 3 months just to get the 735 ring.
The 795 Ring gives you a 50% damage boost for 20 seconds every 2 minutes then explodes for a massive amount of damage.
>>335668423
Go worry in mmochamp with the rest of the likeminded underage retards
>>335668423
I think the scarier thing is the /v/ mentality that because someone doesn't pray every night for Blizzard's destruction means they agree with everything Blizzard does. I don't mind a lot of the changes they have made over the course of WoW. I intend to play Legion for a while at least. But I still have plenty of grips and have been unsubbed for about 6 months.
Believe it or not, you can be okay with some things Blizzard does and not others.
>>335668505
You can also upgrade it with valor
It doesn't give a 50%, it's 44% for 15 seconds
It explodes for 44% of your damage done during this time
>>335668550
>mmochamp
>likeminded
You may literally have down-syndrome.
>>335668581
Yeah so you probably started playing after Cata or MoP and have no idea what you're talking about
>>335668671
mmochamp is full of previous nost players, previous wow players, bernie voters, and many others who collectively hate on WoW and wants to murder anyone who thinks blizzard has ever doing anything good, yet they cry for vanilla like it's the best thing ever
>>335668781
Forget the "may".
>>335668748
K Y S
Y
S
Fucking manchildren, there is no reasoning with you mmochamp manchildren
>>335648224
For what purpose? I bought everything in the zone and out geared it within a couple weeks. The only reason I ever went to Tanaan after that was to go into HFC.
>>335668748
I just feel bad for people like you that can't even fathom that the world is full of people other than you. Even considering the idea people can have different opinions than you after the same experiences is unbelievable.
Why does everyone even want vanilla servers? I have fond memories of WoW from back in the day, so I can understand for nostalgia reasons, but private servers were at least free so you could jump on and play whenever to get your fix.
besides that, I sure as fuck don't want to go through all that shit again, vanilla grind was unreal
>When some nostalgiacucks thinks their petitions or opinions matter
You can't.
Experiencing Nightmare's Asylum releasing their Ragnaros kill video and the implementation of the honor system on the test server is something you had to be there to appreciate.
>>335669089
Has nostalgia ruined a "generation" of mmo players? I think so.
They all go in and expect vanilla to be like, the greatest thing on earth, and then they stand around level 37, grinding raptors and shit in arathi highlands, cause there is no more quests.
Then after they do their attunement quests they fight some boss with less mechanics than a level 98 quest mob, if they even manage to get 40 retards together
>>335668378
Nigga I play retail. I dont see any harm in letting the Nostralius people have their Legacy servers. but this PRISTINE fuckery in all honesty is retarded and will only separate the CURRENT retail playerbase even harder and doesn't solve anything.
There are currently so MANY dead servers on WoW that its appalling.
>>335668930
Same reason people still do timeless isle to this day. Mounts. Pets. Alt gear. Shit like that.
>>335669273
I used to play Emerald Dream and all of this was true. But it was still fun and pretty manageable thanks tofriends and connections I've made
I wish I could strangle nostfaggots to death
>>335669649
I wish you'd stop sucking dick for a fraction of a nanosecond but you don't see that happening either.
>>335669594
Geez, I mean for me as a retail player, joining a mythic guild just fell on my lap, like I didn't even have to talk to a gm or do a application or talk to any of the other players, I just qued up and voila, in a mythic progression guild, times sure have changed
/sarcasm off
I genuinely think the "class fantasy" stuff for Legion sounds like a good idea.
Come at me.
>>335669649
>I wish I could strangle nostfaggots to death
Why?
>>335669802
NNOOOOOOOO, POSITIVE OPINIONS ABOUT RETAIL, NOW I MUST GO THROUGH MY CHECKLIST OF THINGS TO CALL YOU LIKE FANBOY, COCKSUCKER, AND STUFF LIKE THAT
>>335665480
>I want to post my opinion on the internet without no one doing any counter-argument or criticizing my opinion
>>335669802
I think it's a step in the right direction, the problem is that is tied to pruning
>>335638372
Not useless at all. Aside from Holy Paladins being some of the best healers in the game in Vanilla. Retribution was fuckin god tier. Then all the horde shamanfags cried and got it nerfed till about WOTK and Blizzard realized they fucked up. Protection in Vanilla was pretty shitty , but again hybrid spec nigga. You can get sick defense with whatever spec ya went.
>>335670287
Nostcucks are rabid though, they see retail players and blizzard as their number one enemy
>>335670453
>Retribution was fuckin god tier.
>>335670453
ret paladins were a running joke in raids
>>335669773
He is talking about people he met in the game world and quested with together you autist. No one gives a shit about doing the same raid again with higher damage numbers and extra mechanics.
>>335670458
Well, retail players tell me I shouldn't exist, and Blizzard has made it so that I don't exist anymore, so who else do you think could be the number one enemy? Unless you're taking some taoist approach where the true enemy lies within etc.
>>335664508
Are you fucking retarded? You're not the only new one on that server
>>335670804
At least my raid bosses have mechanics, also, you have to "quest together" with other people to do mythic dungeons and whatnot
>we never kept a copy of the source code
Who are they trying to bullshit?
>>335629171
Why couldn't they just add cross realm servers based on the vanilla and previous expansion to the CoT with these rules implemented.
Basically visit CoT then choose 60/70/80/85/90/100 portal which takes you to a server based on that time with all those features as well as the pre-prepatch talents of the respective expansion.
>>335670959
>At least my raid bosses have mechanics
>>335629171
we runescape now.
>>335670810
The true enemy, has yet to reveal itself
But my honest answer would be a mix of nostalgia and addiction
And my gentle answer would be, just stfu and stop wasting your time and others and just find another vanilla server
>>335629171
Thats not what we want. We want classic realms with classic instances and instance sizes and classic talents and all that shit.
Not some shitty elitist server with features turned off. Sure, it might improve the community on those realms, but the game is still shit.
>Instances are too fast paced
>Fuck different difficulty levels, make an instance have an normal mode thats hard and thats it
>Remove achievements, make people do things for enjoyment rather than achievements
>Make diverse, sometimes unbalanced but fun builds for the classes
>Make pve enemies tougher
>Give players less health for pvp
It's not about the features mentioned here. It's about complete change in game design philosophy between the first versions of the game and the current one.
>>335670959
>muh bosses have raid mechanics
yes, if only you could say the same for your classes.
>>335670660
Not in pvp. I saw a few top guilds on my server run with Ret Paladins. It was kinda of a rarity. Also for raids they were extremely gear dependent back then. Either way my point is they weren't useless. To say something is useless is to basically say the class was garbage. Which it wasn't. Just wasn't popular.
>>335671139
>Instances too fast paced
Can easily be fixed with hotfix tuning like zonewide buffs to mobs and stuff
>Difficulty levels
There is no such thing in any content below level 70
>Hating on achievments for stupid reasons
>Please balance teh classes blizz, so it's nothing like vanilla
>please blizzard, spend much time and resources for a small fraction of your playerbase and remake all level 60 bosses
>>335671192
No class has ever had any raid mechanics, what are you talking about
>>335671209
No, they were garbage, what you're asking for is to get boosted
>>335671209
>they weren't useless
>But they were god tier
make up your mind, moving the goalpost too much
>>335671394
the fact that anything fun or cool has been taken out or sanitized so that
>bring the player
was a thing means that the classes are homogenized garbage.
>>335638372
Sounds like someone can't into utility and millions of options.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr_inDkNPBQ
Don't you wish you could take on 5 people at a time?
>>335671706
Yeah, it was the worst during MoP with everyone having everything, but they sorta unfucked that in WoD, and even more so in Legion
Do you really think people who have spent literally the last 9 years shitting on blizz would pay a sub for this? Nost had like 150k active, how many of them would pay a sub to play vanilla?
Question is, is tedious stuff good ?
If they brought those vanilla servers, would you still want the blessings to only last for 5-10 minutes or an hour, cause it's no fun to play paladin in vanilla in raid enviroments
>>335671950
Very few, but the sub should count for both the vanilla server and normal retail.
So given the choice of playing both of these is kinda fun in a way I guess, in the same way with hardcore and softcore diablo3, sometimes I want to hate myself and play hardcore and waste several hours on a character if it dies
>>335672009
What I want is for them to scrap everything after Vanilla and then actually finish the game before padding on expansions.
>>335672009
Just have it be the BC patch before the expac hit.
>Dem sexy new seal animations
>5 min seals
>Greater blessings
>FINALLY A FUCKING TAUNT
>Plus other improvements.
>>335647508
Get up to speed anon, nostcucks claim that leveling and dungeon finder isn't the problem anymore. The problem is that we aren't getting our 2006 emulation server exactly as it was back then.
>>335672765
The patch that let hunters global every squishy class in the game?
>>335630630
It's probably harder to make legacy servers when you have to integrate them with battle.net and your newer technologies, it's not like they can tell you "here's this torrent, now change the realmlist and play". And they can't even use nostalrius assets since it's an open source thing. Pristine servers are the easiest way for them, because no matter how much money blizzard has made they are one of the stingiest developers around. Activision probably blocks their budget for a 10 year old game since they keep making money with a cod4 reskin every year.
>ITT people who never actually played vanilla shitting their pants at the though of actually having to play a buggy unbalanced mess with literally nothing to do at endgame but raid with their one viable spec trying to backtrack and add features so it wouldn't be boring as shit.
It's actually hilarious to read
>>335629171
I would actually be ok with pristine servers if you get the talent tree and old zones and not the butchered cataclysm ones. It would be difficult to implement with cata, mop, legion etc. content in the same server, but they could just make it with a 80 level cap and call it classic wow.
>>335672945
seriously this
give up on the nostalgia
you are NEVER going to catch that dragon
They won't do it because a year in you fuccbois will get bored of vanilla and ask for tbc, with all the logistical shit that comes with it like transfers from the new vanilla to new tbc and stuff like that.
The slippery slope is real
>Blizzcon, 2008
>"Bring the player, not the class."
>Lots of applause.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/10/blizzcon-2008-class-panel-liveblog/ That looks like the earlist public mention of it.
>>335644368
Attunements werent actually handled well for reasons >>335644629 points out.
However, thats not to say they shouldn't exist. They should jave been restructured or streamlined rather than scraped entirely.
As sense of raid progression should be present so you just can't leapfrog to the last raid tier and unsub after 1 month after trying thenew expansion.
>>335639849
>Bernie Sanders
>still
Oh lord, Bernouts are so fucking delusional. He's literally been stealing working class money for 40 fucking years and has now finally stolen it straight from their pockets while they cheered for him. All for what? So he could go easy on Hillary and lose the nomination that was his to win? Good job Bernouts, you funded a rich old jewish guys retirement. Literally everything they claimed to stand against.
>>335673034
Blizzcon goers can be pretty retarded sometimes
>you guys want Karazhan turned into a shitty 5man as a whole content patch?
>applause
The MMO champion Pristine poll doesn't mean anything. Players want legacy/progression servers, not pristine.
>>335662226
>not rolling fem Draenei as soon as a decent BC server lands
You're missing out anon
>>335673278
Honestly, I think Pristine servers sound a lot better than Legacy ones.
It sounds like all the tweaks made throughout expansions, but none of the streamlined shit.
I for one think Pristine makes more sense than Legacy for Blizzard.
>>335673278
I'll admit. I don't want pristine, but it's a step in the right direction and I'd play a pristine Legion server just so that ridiculous amount of gold people have accumulated over 11+ years of WoW is gone and gold can go back to being a meaningful currency.
But yeah, you're right. I want Legacy/Progression above all else. I'd drop my current MMOs and shit in a heartbeat if I could go back to a legacy progression vanilla server. In a fucking heartbeat. Literally the only reason I didn't play Nost past level 30 was because I knew Blizzard was going to shut it down within the year. Lo and behold, I was right.
https://youtu.be/oDA1ona-duQ
>>335673386
>futafags
>>335673164
Attunements have never been handled well outside of the Molten Core one. It's so weird too because they could be handled well easily. There's so much you can do with them and instead of trying Blizzard just tossed the idea. Even Wildstar tried it and got it wrong. I don't understand how MMO devs can be so fucking stupid.
>>335631927
>>We find the defendants, Nostalrius, guilty
>Good to see you again guys.
>>335629171
Mark is a very convincing guy.
>>335673650
>I don't understand how MMO devs can be so fucking stupid.
Most game developers are not gamers themselves, hence completely retarded decisions.
>>335673650
Literally all you need to do to make a decent attunement quest is
A) lots of running around from place to place for the various parts, have players explore some otherwise unused parts of maps to find quest NPCs
B) at least one step that involves character crafted items
C) at least one step that involves a difficult dungeon run
>>335656195
/v/ is one person
>>335629171
>implying this will fix he game
Why should anyone care about this pretentious douche? Does he work at Blizzard anymore? Yeah, not for a decade. I'm sure he knows what's best business-wise, being such an industry leader as to have founded the massively popular Red 5 Studios (...not). I haven't even heard of Firefall. What a tool, he should fuck off and leave blizzard to blizzard
>>335639921
Everything you said I would happy with.
>>335674161
You cannot kill yourself fast enough.
>>335673034
it made sense at the time
25 man raids were essentially Guild leader, 4-5 healers, 2 tanks, then, depending on GL, a very fine list of classes that had to play specific roles in specific builds
now im hard pressed to find differences between ret paladins, warriors, and sword rogues
>>335674161
Firefall is such shit, but yes hes just in it for the attention on social media.
attention translates to money nowadays
watch him announce some shit later on to his new follower base
>>335674161
Firefall is pretty fun, and he was a team lead for the biggest game ever. I think he still cares about his old game, that's all.
>>335672846
It's been a long time anon. Mind refreshing my memory?
>>335632972
because everyone who says they'll pay to play legacy will definitely end up paying, right?
>>335673896
>Literally all you need to do to make a decent attunement quest is
No. Just keep questing out of it entirely. Thats what messed it up. Shit got complicated and longwinded fast. Its better to have a progression ladder than whats known strictly as "Attunements".
Lets pretend you want to raid SSC or TK. To do so it will only require that you gain the completion achievement of the previous raid tier. You could embellish it a small bit for RP if you'd like.
This prevents all leapfrogging. Simplez.
>>335674532
if FFXIV, in all its atrocious form can still have subs, so can Legacy WoW
>>335674592
XIV doesn't have subs, so...
Best way to get your Vanilla wow fix is watch some classic videos until you're satisfied
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgXW-cKI1bw
>>335674743
DO
YOU
KNOW
WHO
I
AM?
https://youtu.be/Qas9vDLW__c
>Tfw shooting lines back and forth with my brother from this and other machinima.
Heres the problem Blizzard sees with people paying for Legacy servers
>Dad, can I use your credit card for legacy servers on World of Warcraft?
"Don't I already pay for your damn wargame?"
>No, this is legacy servers! you pay for the normal servers.
"What's the difference?"
>Legacy servers are what the game was like when it released! Some fags on 4chan said it was awesome!
"Don't I pay every month so that the game would keep on updating? why the fuck should I pay all that money if you're just going to play the first version?"
>But daaaaaaaadddd!
"No fucking buts! Your mother's working late so get to your room and get ready for cave explorer"
>>335660563
That what I meant, Warriors were the only viable endgame tank, Mages and Rogues were the undisputed kings of DPS, Priests were the BEST healers. All others were shitty second bananas, TBC and WotLK gave all specs way more viability
>>335674985
And now everyone cn do everything! Bring the player, not the class™!
>>335674569
I think it should include important quests. to introduce the raid. But they should be like Elite quests. Nothing impossible, but still a little hard to do completely solo.
>>335674985
Paladins, Druids and Shamans had good buffs and were good workhorse healers. Warlocks and Hunters had good DPS as well as some utility.
Mages and Rogues were the best at DPS because that's literally all they could do in a raid format. Most everything was immune to CC. They couldn't take a hit. Rogues couldn't buff. They couldn't transfer their hate to someone else. They couldn't heal.
>>335674942
I think "that" problem isn't even there, since people who pay sub will 99.999% likely be able to play both live and pristine
>>335675046
>waaah, I happened to roll FotM you know, all you shitty hybrids should just ignore all dps and tank specs except for warriors
>>335675046
I love how you make it sound like thats a bad thing. Like it would be better if half the classes were crippling you to bring along.
>>335674985
Shamans were the best group healers tho what the hell are you talking about?
Chain Heals for days and MOTHER FUCKING
WATER
TIDE
TOTEM
BITCH.AND FRAWST SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWK
To be honest I don't think people will care if they have to play the same content for a long time. People don't seem to care on other private servers, I know someone who has been playing patch 3.3.5 for over 6 years now.
>>335629171
JUST.
GIVE.
US.
VANILLA.
SERVERS.
YOU.
STUPID.
FUCKING.
RETARDS.
>>335674261
Burst AOE versus sustained AOE. Spot healing and utility. Things like that.
Each of those specs has their own niche.
>>335675418
Vanilla players played vanilla for 2+ years, so no they don't really care that much about content because vanilla WoW offered a lot of fun content on its own.
>>335675386
Different anon, but the end result of that argument has led to all the classes being homogenized.
Every class has a regen.
Every class has a gap closer.
Every class has a stun, interrupt, sprint, etc.
At least back in BC you had class preferences like Paladins being insanely good AoE/Melee tanks, Warriors being able to take crushing blows like water off a turtle's back and having great single target aggro-gen, with Druids being a nice inbetween.
>>335675397
Frost shock was a meme for underage back then, and it still is
>>335675542
Man I remember hating Druids in low level dungeons because they kinda sucked compared to Warrior/Paladin at first.
>>335675480
If you're so great, do it yourself
>>335675418
I think the issue blizzard has is twofold.
First off, they don't think they will get enough "new" subs for a vanilla legacy server to justify the cost.
Second, if they DID make such a thing, they would start getting hounded to make more legacy servers for other expacs, even specific patches. And also people would want regular new servers so they could start fresh again.
So basically, its a matter of there being enough demand (ie paying customers) to justify a fairly substantial amount of effort and long term costs.
>>335675554
>Frost shock was a meme
No, it wasn't a meme. I remember crafting a frost resist set specifically to counter frost shock. That shit was retarded.
>>335675636
I remember being chain feared to death by warlocks or stunlocked to death by rogues, infinitely more annoying
>>335675684
I agree but warlocks and rogues couldn't heal somebody, or drop windfury totems.
>>335675627
I think they need to run their numbers again because legacy players returning to your game can only mean profit. They've already bled out like 6-7 million since the last expansion, they should be getting desparate now.
Just wait until they cave in and give us what they want because it'll be the only way left to cashcow the community.
>>335675542
The only people acting like every class is the same are people that haven't touched the game in years and drink the /v/-aid too much. There is a reason raid comps in progression change fight to fight. Its because each spec IS different, and taking advantage of that is a big deal. Same with server first challenge mode times being specific comps. Same with pvp. If every class was the same there wouldn't be any fotm classes.
Each class still has its own flavor. Its own strengths and weaknesses.
>>335634086
>Compete with 19 other people for loot
Personal loot says hello.
But hey, if you get your legacy server, you get to experience the joy of competing with 39 other fucktards
>>335675745
Stop trying. They fucked it up and you know it.
>>335675735
>can only mean profit
How do you figure? Do you think its free to make legacy servers, and maintain them?
If you think even 10k people would pay 15 bucks a month to play on a vanilla server you are delusional.
>>335675684
>stunlock
Fuck this noise RIGHT here I understand that highly skilled Rogues should get an advantage but HO LEE FUK if the guy knows what he's doing I can be stuck in a stun until I'm fucking dead. Nothing I can do about that.
Sure you might say he won't be able to do that again until all his cooldowns are reset, but still. What the fuck you going to do against a Rogue in full Relentless Glad.
>>335675773
>But hey, if you get your legacy server, you get to experience the joy of competing with 39 other fucktards
Yes, and I get to show off my hard earned loot again. Can't wait.
>>335675795
Stop trying what? Stating facts?
You can make all the pointless statements you want. Doesn't make them true.
>>335675803
The hardware isn't free duh but maintaining it would be, the Nostalrius team would be glad to volunteer. Also I'm not saying the sub should be 15 dollars a month, it should be more like 10 bucks because it's over 10 fucking years old now.
>>335675803
Vanilla had 11 million subscribers, boss.
>>335675856
They fucked up.
>>335675554
What? No it wasnt. It was a great damaging instant-cast with a fucking 60%+ movement speed reduction for like 5 seconds. Shit was insane.
All of the Shaman's skills were useful. Even all those fucking totems.
Fuck do they even have totems anymore? Have they pruned em?
>>335675870
>maintaining it would be
I can't believe people this dumb even remember to breath.
>>335675909
I can't believe there are people so buttmad at everything in the world like you so you lash out at other people online when they say the smallest thing you don't agree with.
At least tell me what I said was wrong in a somewhat constructive manner instead of being a total dickbag about it you sad fuck.
>>335675884
>Vanilla had 11 million subscribers, boss.
And you think all 11 million of them have quit the game and are just dying to pay a monthly sub to play a 10 year old game again? Are you that stupid?
>>335675969
I think a good game will do well, yes.
>>335662467
How about you have no idea what people are wearing? I remember seeing warriors in full merciless glad in EOTS and thinking fuck that guy, I'm going the other way. Now you just charge in regardless because fuck knows what they're wearing. It's nice you enjoy your roleplaying/jerking off. But you can do that on an RP server faggot.
>>335675773
>>Personal loot
Kill it with fire
>>335675958
What is there to even say? Its not going to be free to maintain. The very idea it would be is ridiculous. If they actually go through with this, its going to be permanent. They aren't going to rely on volunteer labor for the rest of WoWs lifespan. They wouldn't do it anyway. Its not even legal. So its going to cost them money to keep a team SPECIFICALLY to maintain vanilla servers. Then the server costs themselves, then all the other Legacy servers like TBC that people will bitch until they make.
And none of that will be cheap.
>>335676013
Then why even bother? There are tons of ancient good games to play for free. Why would they pay 15 bucks a month to play this specific one?
It would be insane.
>>335675884
>Vanilla had 11 million subscribers
Where is this stupid meme coming from? OH wait, it must be retarded nostalgia fanboys, it wasn't until wrath that wow had 10+ mil subs
>>335676063
I never said it was going to be cheap, but with 11+ million people paying for at least a 10 dollar sub.. yeah.
Man, this thread finally makes me realize how bad these nostalgiafags are. I thought it was just the usual antiblizzard crowd but these fucks are actually insane.
>>335676114
Because it's WoW
>>335676120
OH SORRY 9 MILLION SUBS MY BAD
>>335676175
Not even close, 3-4 mil at , it's peak during vanilla iirc
Stop spouting shit without any weight to your words
>>335676175
>9 MILLION SUBS
>Vanilla
Kill all millenials and their misinformed opinions
>>335676242
Clearly a huge flop.
>implying it's less than 10 mil.
I'm kinda curious, when you guys say "legacy" do you mean, no mana in 5SR talent / lacerate hunters/10min death coil/15 man scholo/ legacy ?
TAKE ME BACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssz4lrxe2dw
Do you still remember back when the days were longer
Dreams were bigger then
The weight of the world had not yet landed on the shoulders of a man
I thought that time stood still, sheltered, protected
They never told me this would end or that the leaves would fall again
So take me back, back to better days
'Cause this time between is wasting me away
Take me back, when we were not afraid
'Cause this time between is wasting me away
>>335676362
Promptly kys or get your facts straight
>>335676628
can't see shit captain
>>335676698
New thread
get in here
>>335677090
>>335677090
>>335677090
>>335674985
>mages and rogues undisputed dps kings
nope
hunter > everything until about t2.5, where they got fucked over with itemization
warrior > everything at about t3, where they suddenly got great dps plate items and started to do double of what rogues or mages do, yet nobody realized that until t3 because they always had mostly tanking items (though that was only true if there was a druid around to combat rez them because they would draw aggro without fail - at least druids still had a purpose at t3 then lel)
>>335677442
Warriors pulled aggro though, so.
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