http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743584206
>So what can we do to capture that nostalgia of when WoW first launched? Over the years we have talked about a “pristine realm”. In essence that would turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder. We aren’t sure whether this version of a clean slate is something that would appeal to the community and it’s still an open topic of discussion.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/
MMO-Champion's current poll results for "Would you play on a pristine server?" is almost evenly split between 'yes' and 'no', with 'no' being the majority. The poll has a total of 71.5k votes thus far.
Mark Kern's open letter to Blizzard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60CXk503QsQ
Something tells me they're finally going to cave and announce legacy servers at Blizzcon to resounding fanfare.
You think you do, but you don't.
>>335629476
REEEEEEE
>>335629171
>remove all XP boosts, character transfers, and LFD so that you can experience WoD endgame at a slower pace
oh joy.
>>335629476
This
Just go play Warhammer online: Return of reckoning
>>335629171
>Pristine shit
>aka all the garbage WoD/Legion content, dumbed down removed skills and stats but now without all the convenience
No thanks.
Proper Legacy Servers or they can fuck off.
>>335629171
>>335629171
>turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder.
literally why
these things did ruin the game, but no one will want to play on a server that will slow progression to a crawl if they can choose. it was only nice when these things didn't exist on any server.
>>335629680
whats that image supposed to mean
>>335629171
>so about those legacy servers
You think we can, but we can't. Here's a new realm with disabled level boosts to please the masses.:^)
>>335629171
>mfw all chinkstalrius accomplished was convincing blizzard that there's enough money in the private server market for them to get in on the jewing action
So long as flying mounts are gone as well. Otherwise I'm never coming back.
>>335629171
>technical difficulties
has any group of developers ever delivered a more genuine line of bullshit?
>>335629981
They will never do Legacy servers because they want you to:
1. Keep buying new expansions
2. Keep buying new store pets and mounts (and infrastructure for this didn't exist until mid WotLK)
3. The current WoW team has ego the size of our galaxy and would never accept that older version is superior to "their" vision
https://www.techinasia.com/firefall-mark-kern-sacked-the9-story
Yeah, about that.
>>335630069
Cataclysm leveling experience made it clear to me that flying mounts were useless even for speed. All we needed was more flight masters which is what Cataclysm added.
I wouldn't be against adding more flight masters to vanilla/tbc/wotlk personally.
>>335630069
Makes you wonder why they don't just put fast travel in WoW.
You think you think, but you don't
>>335630453
flight masters were fine
the only problem with flight masters in vanilla that made people whine for flying mounts was the fact that they often didn't put flight masters in quest hubs for no good reason, and a lot of the time they took ridiculous circuitous scenic routes that made the flight take 3x longer than it had to
>>335629171
What I didn't like about WoW
>heirloom gear being so fucking strong and usable from levels 1-??
What I did like about WoW
>heirloom gear offering experience bonuses (just put it on rings and shoulders or something, and not every item you can equip
>getting mounts earlier and earlier
>Dungeon Finder that calls in a Healer or Tank if yours left
>Sharing quests if you've got it and the other person hasn't
>Pokemon battles
>10 wide level brackets for battlegrounds
Not every single thing they added was bad, some of it was quality of life shit. Having to sit and eat or drink after every single enemy was okay when the game first started, but it quickly became too annoying for words. You never feel stronger, you just have a few more fun skills to use before needing to wait in-between killing shit.
And when would they do the server? When it first launched and everything was unbalanced, broken, buggy? End of classic/start of Burning Crusade, when some of that shit is fixed, Silithus has a reason to exist? BC, where Horde can have Paladins and Alliance can have Shaman?
>>335630596
I resorted to getting a Peggle add-on for my flights, and it even worked versus, so if somebody else had it installed, you could play against each other.
So much of that waiting shit would have been over and done with and you would have saved $1 a month in play time if the flights just flew straight up, headed straight there, and landed.
"Pristine" Servers sound absolutely batshit, like, the worst of both worlds
Why not just license Nostalrius?
>>335630630
>you will never go through buffing other people as a Paladin again
>or refreshing your blessings every 30 seconds while questing
>>335630137
how can people buy from the store if they dont bother putting anything in it?
I thought wow is pretty much an afterthought for blizzard seeing as its currently in the worst content drought in WoW history
>>335630919
Did you read the post? He gave some bullshit excuse that it was too difficult for legal reasons to allow fans to host their own servers.
What did he mean by this?
>>335631927
Probably trying to offer them desk jobs or community manager positions. You know, because Blizzard is ALL ABOUT THE FANS! :^)
>>335632004
I think it was a "yes" to legacy servers without actually saying yes.
>>335631210
sorry m8 i'm out of [Symbol of Kings]
>>335631927
What happened to their attitude of "you think you do, but you don't" ?
>>335632071
They just said "no" while actually saying "no". Figuratively, anyway.
They're not doing legacy servers. Not unless the fanbase pushes them even harder.
>>335632170
A show of support from the community like nothing else before changed their mind.
>>335632254
>They just said "no" while actually saying "no". Figuratively, anyway.
Where?
>>335632170
nostalrius got big enough that the jews in charge found out about private server money and ordered the retard crew to swallow their pride and implicitly admit that all they've done is take a good game and turn it in to shit.
>>335632353
>We explored options for developing classic servers and none could be executed without great difficulty. If we could push a button and all of this would be created, we would. However, there are tremendous operational challenges to integrating classic servers, not to mention the ongoing support of multiple live versions for every aspect of WoW.
This is essentially a big fat "no, we can't do it".
They're probably reaching out to the Nostalrius devs to help soften the ridiculous PR backlash this has been and offered them some sweet Blizzcon swag and maybe a job convincing everyone who petitioned to buy Legion.
>>335632586
>we can't do it with our billion dollars but a ragtag team of nobodies with a server can
it's like
you just, but can't even know it
>>335632586
>Legacy servers are difficult to do
No shit. That's not a no though bud. Keep desperately clawing :^]
>almost 250k signed petitions
>forums blowing up with legacy server posts
>streamers with 14+ million viewers combined pledging to stream legacy servers
>major e-celeb with huge followings openly expressing their disgust toward Blizzard
>people want legacy servers more than they want a new expansion
>all because they won't release legacy servers
Why don't they, just, you know, do it?
>>335629171
Terrible idea and shows that Blizzard doesn't know what people want. Why would anyone want to experience WoD at a slower pace? It's still the same shit game but slower.
>>335632972
They don't have the team to do it yet. Private Servers weren't perfect, they still needed scripts fixed and bugs cleaned up. You need a staff for so many people. People get a lot more entitled and lawsuit ready when they're paying to play a game.
>>335633056
Actually they do know what people want. They want a reason not to give it to them. They introduced the pristine server idea because they hoped it would be enough to get people to shut up.
It's funny because in introducing the idea essentially just made them admit that all of those features they added in were bad decisions and killed the game.
>>335632735
>Legacy servers are difficult to do
they're really not. just take some of the pointless empty ghost town servers and start running the old 1.12 server code on them, then distribute the client. done. Since they actually have all the code backed up, even making changes to the client like making it use the newer option menu instead of the original garbage one wouldn't be difficult.
>>335632972
because then they'd have to admit that all their dev team has done with all their millions of man hours of work, is make the game less enjoyable.
>>335633484
>they're really not
They're easy when they're hacked. Blizzard is expected to have a certain level of quality that works on new and future hardware, which the game patches at that time were not made for. They're right in that its not easy for them to do, but it is doable.
>pristine server
>removes all the shit that ruined WoW over the years
The only question is would all the retail babies actually play on it?
Highly doubt Vanilla players want to do WoD's dogshit content
>>335633702
..the old wow software has never had a problem running on new hardware
i think they should make legacy servers and make all live realms pristine
also vigorously merge servers. fuck crosszones
>>335633791
It's not as simple as that, unfortunately. They've actually had to continuously update Diablo 2 and WC3 to work on new hardware, as an example.
>Blizzard once again telling people what they actually want instead of what they think they want
How about they fuck off and die?
>>335634015
those games are running on engines that are a lot older and use outdated rendering technology. WoW is based on directx, new versions of which are always backwards compatible.
>>335630069
Yeah pretty much everyone who isn't severely autistic wants them in
>>335634240
you'd have to be a retarded child to want flying mounts. they killed the world long before queues did.
>>335629171
It's fucking nothing
>>335634338
>"I j-j-just wanna go f-fast!"
and they say we're autistic
lmao
>>335629616
omg holy shit I didn't know about this! I really liked warhammer online I felt a bit sad it never got the fanbase it deserved.
It seems they just don't want to admit that people prefer older content over the the mess that is WoD. I feel part of the reason why they won't make legacy servers is that they rather save face and come off as they are unable to do anything.
Its understandable that making this request a reality is difficult but it seems like they are more focused on protecting their next expansion to ensure profit. Even if they do make them, will that many play? I played private servers purely based that I couldn't afford retail. The community and environment was only an added bonus.
>>335629171
Just because people spamming yes with bots on a fan site doesn't mean Blizzard is going to cave, get fucked and kill yourself nostalgiafag. Game has improved greatly since the start but I'm guessing your a wrathbaby or Catababy.
https://youtu.be/oDA1ona-duQ
>>335631927
J. Allen "You might just get your server back" Brack
>>335632586
>If we didn't have to put any effort into making private servers and could press a button, we totally would I swear :^)
They don't want to do it because it would pad out the current game client by 4 gig. Blizz would only do vanilla if it meant that you were subbed (not wow token) to the current expack, payed an additional fee for use and it was integrated into the normal client somehow.
>You think you do, but you don't
There are probably devs who actually mean this, Blizz would just tear legacy servers to shreds in an attempt to make money. The company is far too corporate and "image" based to allow legacy stuff to work the way people actually want it to.
Everything Blizz does these days is nitpicked over by 100+ people to make sure it is safe. Look at the Overwatch SJW backlash shit, look at them only trying to do "safe" games/content, tf2 clone, moba, expansions. The company is too big to take risks which aren't board approved. It's why they need to be bombarded about shit with a private server.
>>335634574
yeah rip warhammer, was a fun game
warrior priest pvp was gud
hoping for legacy wow
>>335636471
Marauder here. Yeah I'm hoping for the same, but knowing wow they would fuck it up for stockholders stakes.
>>335630010
I regret finding the source of that image.
>>335636945
>Hellfire Citadel patch trailer
>They throw Gorehowl at Grommash's feet
>He didn't know Garrosh was his son until after he got buttfucked to death by Thrall
>>335633647
Exactly.
>>335631927
SEE YOU IN THE COURTROOM LOSERS
>>335636945
>No Gorehowl weapon for Legion
>Grommash costume for this year's Halloween
Okay I guess. I love Grommash.
Lol blizz is fucked. Mark is charging into that office with 12000 pages of pure petition and going to show Mike what's up.
Beware.
You people seriously have no idea who Mark Kern is. If you did, you wouldn't want him on the same continent as the thing you want. But good luck that.
>>335637741
The kek has spoken
>>335637860
>>335637741
Context?
>>335629171
Mark Kern trying to get his job back riding the nostalgia train but he sucks so bad Mike won't even answer the phone. My sides.
>>335638047
>Nostalrius got shutdown
>Psycho frogposter warns anons not to go to blizzcon.
i used to play tauren shaman during vanilla but if legacy servers make a return i'm thinking about dwarf paladin becasue i never played alliance past lvl 40
>>335638047
I don't think there context homeboy. I thinks he's going for chos high score at blizzcon.
Mark Kern helped ruin Firefall, therefore everything he says is wrong - therefore fuck whatever the subject of this thread is.
>>335638237
Paladin, in vanilla?
Don't do that... They are the most useless class.
>>335638237
I'm going to be a gnome warlock because I've never given gnomes a fair chance.
>>335629171
this is a scheme of blizzard's to not have to put up legacy servers
if people vote no to all of this shit, then they know for a fact that they won't play on a legacy server
if people vote yes, they dont have to make a legacy server, they just tweak the current game
>>335638404
That or gnome prot warrior
>>335638237
>>335638372
Legacy servers aren't happening. Possibly "pristine" servers, which won't be anything like vanilla aside from removing LFG and shit.
The class and race balance will be shit just like it is now. The itemization will be shit. The content will be shit.
>>335638595
Just dreaming I guess.
>>335638372
tfw i love hybrid classes but druid has never appealed to me.
i've already played shaman, and if paladin is out of the question, then what's left for me? NOTHING!
"Pristine servers" are an interesting idea, but I feel like it's missing the point as long as all of the content they've replaced with re-done versions over the years (Naxx, the pre-Cata old world, half of the Vanilla level-up dungeons) is still inaccessible.
>>335638372
>They are the most useless class
nice meme
While their Pristine server concept isn't what we were asking for - It would definitely be an improvement. A lot of what was great about vanilla and TBC was player interaction. If you take out LFG, slow the leveling down, maybe, I dunno, tweak dungeons to not be faceroll while leveling... We might have something that kind of resembles an MMO again and not a fucking theme park.
Also disable flying mounts anywhere possible. Fuck flying mounts. Blizzard has a chance to redeem WoW to some extent here but I really doubt they'll do it right.
![nv8OBNi[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Wpgesfs.png "nv8OBNi[1].png")
>MMO-Champion
>>335631927
It seems like they're legitimately interested in making proper classic servers a reality in some way, shape, or form, so it makes sense for them to get in contact with people who actually ran one of them (if an imperfect one.) Similar to how a lot of their class designers used to be major theorycrafters in the community.
>>335638465
those tweaks dont go far enough though.
Would I play a Legion server designed by competent devs that feels like a damn MMO? Yes. Absolutely. I dont have anything against the broken isles and am open to running new instances, tackling new battlegrounds and grinding new reps
But thats entirely dependent on if those instances are done well, the reps matter and tie back to the world and the battlegrounds are as fun as old AV.
Ontop of that, combat needs to be closer to how it was (threat mattering somewhat) and basic mechanics such as reagents (soulshards were fucking fine, feeding your pet was fine, if bag space is really a concern then add a reagent bag, it offers tangibility which is good), training your spells (ranks up for debate but at least make us still learn them and have some stuff tied to class quests) and stuff like resistances, armor pen, spell hit and attribute bonuses should come back (hey this is +fire, fire mages really love that!). Meanwhile haste and mastery are positive additions that add further variation between what gear a spec or class will want, creating more unique experiences. And vanilla or TBC tier crafting. bring back drop recipes that people want, bring back more variable mats rather than just 20 current ore.
I want the game to FEEL like old WoW. I dont really care if its the exact world, although pre-cata azeroth needs to be in the caverns of time, no fucking reason this isnt the case) but the gameplay needs to be there.
So are the changes they mention for pristine servers in the right direction? Absolutely, every one of them would help make the game closer to vanilla again, but is it entirely enough? No, miles from it.
>>335639849
and? Are you isinuating that /v/ doesn't have thinly veiled political discussions?
>>335639849
>[Megathread] Bernie Sanders 2016
>>335639914
They're not interested in the slightest. It has taken the fanbase THIS MUCH FUCKING EFFORT to get this little, tiny response out of them.
If they keep going this route it will hurt them terribly. Frankly I've never seen a developer not listen to their fans as much as neo-Blizzard.
>>335640123
>They're not interested in the slightest.
So why would they engage in discussions with people who ran an extremely popular Vanilla private server?
>>335629171
I wouldn't play current WoW without all of that shit. I'd play old WoW as it was, but not as "Modern WoW - all the good parts".
>>335640252
>So why would they engage in discussions with people who ran an extremely popular Vanilla private server?
By "they" you mean "their lawyers," right?
>>335630152
Yeah this means he is wrong.
>>335640252
Because the Nostalrius shut down has been a public relations nightmare and they're doing what they can to quell it without actually giving in to what the fans want.
There is no point speculating what kind of "discussions" are being had with the Nostalrius development team. Blizzard would not turn development of legacy servers over to a punch of private server script kids. I'm guessing they are throwing numbers at them to get them to start openly supporting live or their fucktarded pristine realm idea.
>>335640123
>implying old blizzard ever listened to their fans
take off your fucking nostaliga goggles
>>335630069
>make the world feel smaller
who cares
>no threats in the skies
who cares
>all the art, details and monsters are on the ground
oxford commaand who cares
>no movement mechanics
who cares
>looking at a skybox is boring
who cares
>killed world pvp
world pvp died long before flying mounts
>gives you essentially god-mode
>being a buttmad ganker who wants to kill afk players
>makes the world seem emptier
see first "who cares"
>wow's netcode
who cares
>killed exploration
I explore more with flying mounts than I ever did without them. Fuck daze.
>for games to be exciting there should be an aspect of risk / reward
do you genuinely think flying is playing the game. The game is raids, bgs, and arena.
Flying is a method of travel, a way to get from point a to point b. You don't bitch about flight points. You shouldn't bitch about flying.
>>335638197
>mfw he doesn't know the frosgposter got raided by the fbi
Even if its just a joke you can still get raided by the fbi. They really got nothing better to do these days.
>>335630069
anyone who thinks flying killed exploration is retarded. Blizzard not adding flying-locked content worth looking for killed exploring
>>335629171
when blizz made their comment regarding nostalrius i dont think they got it. they said making pristine server would just not have the leveling bonuses and cross realm/group finder. the whole point of nostalrius was vanilla wow with no expansions. doing "pristine" servers is just a half ass job. if you're gonna do anything make them legit legacy servers and do it right.
>>335640626
do you think they discovered tadpole porn?
>>335640387
>By "they" you mean "their lawyers," right?
The context doesn't imply that they're going to sue the fuck out of their asses.
>Because the Nostalrius shut down has been a public relations nightmare and they're doing what they can to quell it without actually giving in to what the fans want.
And talking to the Nostalrius guys does that how exactly? The pristine server thing was their attempt at fostering public relations.
>There is no point speculating what kind of "discussions" are being had with the Nostalrius development team.
Yes there is fuckhead. Why on Earth would you say there's no point speculating about it? What possible fucking reason could they have to be talking to guys who ran a private server? They obviously have an interest in legacy servers and are seeing just how much the Nostalrius devs can help them out. The Nost guys have already said they're willing to hand over everything they've worked on to Blizzard to help them make their own legacy servers.
>I'm guessing they are throwing numbers at them to get them to start openly supporting live or their fucktarded pristine realm idea.
And right after you say there's no point speculating you go on to make this absolutely retarded speculation. Taking out heirlooms/lfg/lfr/tokens/boosts for pristine servers wouldn't require them to contract or even converse with people who ran a private server.
For some odd reason, you desperately don't want legacy servers to happen. It's really fucking weird man.
>>335630137
a lot of people (myself included) would play both though. if you just had to log in and change your realms to switch to legacy, then i'd have a main for both. i'd raid in legion with a group of buddies and when my lockouts were done on that character, i'd hop over to legacy and start progression on that guy. rather than how it is in wod where once you're locked to your raids you just have the option of sitting in garrison or doing the exact same fucking content on slightly higher difficulty. i know vanilla didn't offer a boatload of content but it's still just a different flavor of gameplay to add to what you're doing.
>>335640252
to make angry fans think they care when they dont
saying "engaging in discussions" is the most vague inconclusive thing ever
>>335641089
meant for
>>335640454
as well
>>335641089
Apparently you can't read sarcasm too well.
It's pretty obvious they are talking to the team because that's fucking how public relations work. They are attempting to reach out to the community and convince them to be alright with no legacy servers, or settle with a cheap compromise. There is no other reason to speak to them. They will not allow them to develop a private server and they will not recruit them to develop legacy servers. That is why I said there is no point in speculating.
I want legacy servers. We will not get legacy servers. The reasons have already been laid out by Blizzard themselves. They give no shits about their fanbase. They only care about covering this mess up quickly so they can sell more copies of Legion™.
>>335641586
You literally ignored my entire post and just reiterated every retarded point you made. Re-read the post you just responded to for a refutation on all of your arguments.
>>335642018
>you literally ignored my entire post
Or you can't read.
>>335640591
This man gets it. It's all about killing bosses, wrecking scrubs, and getting fat loot. If you're playing for any other reason in the year 2016 then you're playing modern WoW wrong.
>>335642132
epin shitposts brotherr
>>335634086
>no playthrough is the same
but TOME is the fucking worst for that, you have to generally go through the same areas over and over again with very little variation in enemies and general layout.
Pristine is the right direction. The people who want Vanilla only 1-1 are the most extreme and radical on this debate and are not worth catering to. What this provides is forced community and group work which is what is missing.
>>335629171
So its maplestory reboot/Tibia classic PVP 2.0 then?
>>335629171
Sounds like a load of shit desu. Vanilla or bust.
>>335640591
>world pvp died before flying mounts
when in vanilla did world pvp die? because flying mounts were introduced in BC and I remember quite a lot of battles in auchindoun and hellfire
>>335643681
By battles you mean someone swooping in and ganking a lowbie then flying off?
>>335643284
Shit bait
>>335643681
Alright then wiseguy, if there was lots of battles in TBC even after flying mounts were introduced, then what killed world pvp, because that makes it sound like world pvp was still alive during tbc.
>>335643767
Nah, I mean groups of 10-20 people meeting at the shrines and fighting for control. Sorry you were on a shit server anon
>>335643782
Whatever you say my man but you are NEVER EVER getting Vanilla legacy realms. The longevity just isnt there to support it.
>>335643849
Wintergrasp
>>335643767
Stop repeating yourself shill.
Repeatingly saying something does not make it true as hard as you try.
>>335643869
You can do that at any time in any expansion. Thats small scale scuffles that happen rarely purely because of how close they are. Nothing on the scale on Vanilla world PvP in size or frequency.
>>335643849
same thing that killed the rest of wow, people grew up and stopped playing, new kids came in and already had their shittalking and sense of community from cod. Wotlk at least had wintergrasp and ganking people doing dailies in the mountains and summoning for ulduar. Once cata came around and flying was introduced to the old world (and after they destroyed everyones memories) people stopped caring.
I basically look at it like BC being the apex, wotlk falling off a bit, and cata being the final nail in the coffin
>>335640591
>who cares if a travel method makes everything in the world into a literal fucking joke
lmao who cares if I can godmod my character
>you dont bitch about flight points
flight points are FAR more restrictedand still need to be spread further apart
tfw vanillafigs have no argument
ITS OVER. BLIZZARD WINS. I have already preordered too.
Who cares are pristine shit which will never happen?
Legion looks fucking amazing.
Can't wait honestly, the art design is this zone is orgasmic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlXJJoXW2qM
>>335644137
This guy gets it. WoW died because it grew too popular and mainstream as society and its views towards gaming and MMOs shifted. They had no choice but to cater to a changing demographic which made up the majority.
>>335644137
TBC had attunements
It was most definitely not the apex.
>>335644186
Not nearly as orgasmic as killing 10 million boars to get revered for a faction to get attunement for a dungeon to get attuned to a raid to sit in chat all day to fill missing slots and then just not going haha
>>335644368
I miss attunements, it helped to force community and make guilds closer.
If legion would go back to having them along with a shit ton of dungeons I might consider resubbing
>>335630069
All you have to do is lower the flight speed to ground mount levels or lower and reduce the height of which you can fly.
Problem fucking solved.
>>335644463
You obviously never fucking played during TBC and had to replace raid members.
>>335634474
>samefagging
A U T I S M
Thanks, nostfags. You have have distracted our devs from finishing legione faster.
Pic related
>>335644814
>quoting a post you made and posting it on /v/
>>335644814
How is it possible for someone to be so far up Blizzards ass?
>>335644186
Shilling aside, that does look pretty fucking awesome.
Fuck. I'll be buying this turd won't I?
>>335644959
people like that stimulate blizzard's prostate
>>335644972
You will because deep down you know that once garrisons are gone, the only thing stopping WoW is LFG and CRZ and they will be destroyed soon. The root of evil will be purged.
>>335644814
>literally quoting your own blizzard forums post
>>335642732
Yeah. TOME gets seriously boring if you play it too much in too short a span.
>whoops, I died. Now to go through 40 minutes of trivial zones before I'm back to a full, interesting build with challenging content.
At least ADOM does its best to murder you even in the starting areas.
>>335644907
>>335645435
Doesn't make me less right.
>>335644959
I don't get why people like you are so far up nostralus ass.
>>335644186
>legion looks amazing
it really does, which is why I want them to get their head out of their ass and make a game that feels like TBC again.
Hardline purists are being retarded as fuck, and Blizzard doesnt have the balls to go far enough with Pristine servers. The night elf city looks FUCKING GORGEOUS and could be an AMAZING area...if they didnt let it become just a faceroll zerg like it will
>>335629171
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17611011067
>>335645685
>admitting to quoting your own post
>>335645685
>>335644814
>-2
>>335644629
Been playing since before zg patch but sure, I guess I'm new. Same guild from vanilla through cata as well
>>335634086
TOME was better when it was Tales of Middle Earth
>>335629171
it's at least an admission all the premium services added in wotlk were terrible for the game
>>335638372
>Don't do that... They are the most useless class.
Yeah wouldn't want to trivialize all the endgame content.
>>335645771
But the restrictions just arent enough. They deal with community and the leveling process, but what about max level damage scaling? They need to make more of the world quests and Broken Isle quests group/elite based. Its not enough just to slow down leveling and remove CRZ/LFG although thats a huge step.
>>335629171
What can we do to capture the nostalgia without actually giving you what you want?
Well we can take the current game, strip it of convenient features and make it obtusely difficult without all of the things you liked about vanilla. And you can pay 20 a month. How about that?
>>335638372
>best single target healers in the game
>blessings
>DI
>useless
>>335640123
Blizzard seems to drag its feet for everything these days. They're not the only developer who's said something was too difficult or resource intensive to do, but I feel like I hear it pretty often from them these days.
>>335640454
Blizzard
>hey nost guys, how monstrously in debt were the servers going to throw you had they stayed afloat?
>how many people bought your shitty gold at your stupid rates
>you do realize you can just make gold appear, right, like you didnt need to pay gold farmers to mine it
>you see that little number that appeared on the side of the GM UI, did you ever figure out what it did? No? good.
literally exactly what blizzard is asking the nost devs.
>>335630069
>WoW removed flying mounts in WoD to bring the community feel back
>They then make most of the gameplay instanced garrisons so you don't see other people
>Guild Wars 2 never included flying mounts to avoid the problem of flying mounts weakening the since of communities
>They have teleporters everywhere that made their decision pointless.
Are MMORPG developers retarded?
>>335646951
Even if they hadn't done that, the sense of community would have never come back to WoW
mostly because it wasn't fucking flying mounts that broke up the community (or LFG/LFR no matter how much fags want to say it is), it was the community that broke up the community.
>>335646745
the servers were paid for until 2017. The donation box rerouted you to the servers themselves.
>>335645685
no it does, and it makes you look like a whiny fanboy more than the nos people. and if you dont know why people enjoy an original version of the game i can bet you are a wrath or catababy and suck at playing. or maybe you are just actually autistic and care about this and think it really makes an impact on legion.
>Muh Achieve Points Muh toon
all content is easy now so inb4
>>335633626
thats got to sting
>>335644814
>>335645685
>Doesn't make me any less right
> -2
Pick one buddy, oh wait you cant, it's been decided
>
I wish Blizzdrones had the spine to actually boycott their games but we all know they literally can't survive without giving Blizzard money.
>>335629691
That is literally what people have been spamming in the nonstop wow threads all week. How the speedy leveling process is the worst part of the game and slowing it down a lot would make the game ten times better.
>>335647084
>it wasnt LFG/LFR
youre retarded.
>>335629171
>>335647409
actually i refunded legion after prepurchase, and deleted all blizz games except wc3 pirate off my comp. I dont miss much so, not really hard to. My toon and fun died with my guild back mid cata. also making that insta 100 felt dirty and bad
>>335647508
Yeah well, now it's not the core problem.
>>335629171
the amount of circlejerking in this thread is ridiculous
>>335647520
Sorry faggot, but it wasn't. They literally improved on a system that was fucking broken from the start.
Sitting in the city trying to build a group was fucking shit and you need to fucking die if you think that shit is worth it.
you niggas will play an official vanilla wow server for 5 months, beat all content, and quit. the server then becomes deserted.
the only reason nost lasted with that activity that long is because skeleton crews can't script aq40 or naxx worth a shit.
>>335647409
Boycott what? Why in god's name would people that don't spend their nights jacking off to memories of vanilla wow care that blizzard isn't interested in making vanilla only servers?
These threads really are the newest cringiest threads on /v/.
it's going to be great when it's not undertuned like every private server in existance and people don't blaze through all the content and everyone gets pissed off as a result.
>>335647608
You literally cant in 5 months, it takes too long, leveling and gearing, also gear was rare and precious then and rpg elements existed
you obviously have never played vanilla so gtfo
>>335647409
You know what's even more pathetic than Blizzdrones? People like you that act like Barneyfag and get triggered the moment anything Blizzard related gets posted.
>>335647573
The only "core" problem is whatever each individual has decided it is. So unless you honestly expect blizzard to make a million different servers tailored to each random asshole I don't think Blizzard could ever "fix" whatever the mystery "core" problem is.
Even the dozens of people in this thread bitching about how much they hate WoW now and how blizzard has betrayed them couldn't possibly come up with a consensus on and ideal legacy server. And thats only an insignificant fraction of the number of people you would need to be willing to pay 15 bucks a month every month forever for it to be financially viable for blizzard to do.
>>335647810
How could it be undertuned? Vanilla was easy. The comically low rate of gear acquisition was the only stopgap. That and some stupid mechanics like fights based entirely around tank taunts during a time when taunts could miss.
>>335647730
>Calls thread cringe
>randomly posts unrelated cat on video game forum
[Spoiler]you're as bad as the nostfags[\spoiler]
>tfw you miss picking herbs with your undead disc priest
I know the light had forsaken me, but i never stopped believing in the light.
>>335648007
>not recognizing the cat
Fucking newfags.
>>335648007
I'm saying that Nostfags are cringey
a Burning Crusade server with level 60 raids "buffed" to level 70 would be the best
>>335638372
They literally had to cross pollinate horde with paladins and alliance with shaman in TBC because of all the endgame raiders crying about how much paladins brought to the table.
So instead of getting max level in a day, it takes maybe 3 and you're still left with the same shitty end-game of neo-wow
>>335646951
Do you honestly believe people spent most of the leveling experience in their garrisons? Or most of the content in general?
Even now people spend most of their time in Tanaan.
>>335648021
>warlock herbalist for raiding
>need that shadow power
>farming in winterspring with enslaved fel guards
I loved Winterspring so much.
>>335647409
>boycott
This never has, and never will work. The amount of people who don't buy games based on principle are a drop in the ocean compared to the day1 fanboys and the mainstream "nerds" who lap up corporate advertising.
It's over, they won.
>>335647858
Blizzard is the worst company in the world related to video games. Do you expect me to asspat them?
>>335648171
nah they wanted to specialize each class more and felt like they couldn't if they were always trying to balance 2 classes with each other
shamans were powerhouses as well which is why horde usually progressed faster
>>335647968
because anything past molten core and ZG still doesn't leave a huge room for error regardless of how simple it is. the only reason people blaze through them on scriptcraft, nost, etc is that people are doing completely inflated damage unless you actually think warlocks were doing 900 dps in AQ20 or people were taking ragnaros to ~20% before the first submerge while making progression.
>>335648482
>worst company related to video games
You people are so fucking delusional it's not even funny.
>>335647508
yes it is a problem
but XP rates are only one part of that. Difficulty itself plays a role in how fast you go, you can pull 10 things at once and be alive with full mana in a minute on live. Without anything done to adjust 1) quest rewards and 2) player strength vs mob strength it will still be laughably easy and quite fast.
And leveling is not the only issue the game has. Pretty much every aspect of the game has flaws that need to be fixed. Leveling would only be the tip of the iceberg
ideally all would be addressed, and I think a lot of players would be more open to the idea of "pristine" servers if it didnt stop at just leveling speed and removal of LFG
>>335648171
>because of all the endgame raiders crying about how much paladins brought to the table.
While it's true bitching happened a lot, mostly whenever there was an alliance server first. The truth is Blizzard couldn't balance encounters between factions.
>>335648576
People who think supporting criminals is okay are delusional.
Miss me yet?
>>335648794
>Coming from someone who no doubts supported the people that hosted Nost
How ironic.
>>335648794
yes ur right, blizzard are criminals
>>335648482
>Blizzard is worse than EA
>Blizzard is worse than BioWare
>>335648482
>Worst then EA or Ubishit
>>335648976
>>335649067
Samefag
>>335644814
hope this is bait
>>335648595
This thread has made it clear people are only open to the idea of vanilla exactly how it was.
>>335649509
some people are. Some people are too retarded or angry to think about pristine being taken a step further
not everyone is a hardline purist who ONLY wants to play old azeroth. Some people just want the game to play like it did back then.
>>335649783
If you think pristine WoW would fix anything, you're sorely mistaken. The game needs to literally be taken back to step one to be good again. They need to start over from vanilla and try again.
>>335649945
alright, tell me why it needs to go all the way back to vanilla. tell me why, no matter what, it could not be fixed without restarting entirely
>>335649783
And
>>335649945
proves my point
People have a mental image of EXACTLY what they want in an MMO, and even 1 tiny thing off will be a deal breaker for them.
Its a no win scenario for Blizzard, which is why I wonder why they would even try.
>>335649783
>>335649945
Everything that is wrong with WoW will still be wrong. Pristine WoW, as it's described, is literally only removing the things that makes the game bearable, not the things that would make it better.
>>335650152
Every single thing its listed to remove have been things people have complained about for literally years. Literally. I have seen COUNTLESS POSTS on /v/ about how cross realm is the worst thing that ever happened to the game. How LFR and LFG are the worst thing that ever happened to the game.
How fucking heirlooms are the worst things that ever happened to the game.
So your opinioin is not unanimous.
>>335629171
Blizzard just doesn't get it.
>>335650152
hence why I said that pristine taken a step (or many) further would be a good solution.
read retard
also
>LFG and heirlooms are necessary to make the game bearable
literally just make it worse
>>335650117
>talent "trees"
>quests being boring as fuck
>quests being linear as fuck
>magical learning of spells and abilities
>removal of most abilities
>removal of interesting or unique abilities
LFG, LFR, experience gain increases, heirlooms, crz are all things that makes playing the game not fucking godawful.
>>335650452
I never really understood the love for talent trees.
I only ever cared about the major talents. Ones that gave you new abilities or fundamentally changed the way your class played.
And thats exactly what they still have with the modern talent system. They just cut the fat.
>>335650419
Imagine if you leveled up and got literally nothing.
Now imagine that level took you over an hour to get. At level 11.
>>335650586
>literally wanting less when you can have more
There's no reason for it. If the extra talents are just "fat" then what's the fucking purpose of removing them? You're asking blizzard to give you less for no discernible gain.
>>335649945
it'd probably be an improvement, just the idea of a fresh server with no xfers/bought gold is interesting, though it's still rush to a tiny amount of end game content basically
>>335650620
I don't need a game to give me a handjob every second kiddo.
>>335650138
>>335649945
You know, posts like this really make it clear that Blizzard was right with the "You think you want it, but you don't." thing.
>>335650845
fuck off memester
>>335650801
They were baked into everyone's kit. Instead of getting 10% more damage from talents they just made you DO 10% more damage in general. You lost nothing except something to do every other level while leveling. And as leveling became less and less important, that stopped mattering.
>>335650969
Bitch, what did you just say to me?
>>335650452
>talent trees
could be revamped back
>quests being boring
just write good quests
>quests being linear
design more forks and side questlines
>magical learning of abilities
make it so on pristine realms you need to train your spells
>removal of most abilities
add those back on pristine realms
>removal of unique or interesting abilities
add those back on pristine realms
none of those require a full restart. None of those require all of the TBC, Wrath, Cata, MoP and WoD quests, factions, instances and zones to be fully removed. You didnt even name something like pandas existing
All you need to do is take the pristine idea further. Rather than spitting on it and screaming no ask for them to take it to the next level
also
>LFG/LFR dont make the game godawful
your opinion is shit
>>335650891
But I don't "think" I want it, I know I want it.
Modern WoW is a fucking mess and removing the conveniences that make it a bearable mess only leaves you with a mess.
Vanilla wasn't perfect, it was godawful in a lot of ways, but it was better than it is now.
>>335651164
and those good ways cant be added into modern WoW why?
>STILL defending shit like LFR
kys
>>335651146
Except they fucking won't. They won't do any of that shit. It would be easier to just have the Nostalrius guys set their server back up as employees of blizzard and have them be official servers. Because what you're asking is for them to make a new game for Pristine Servers.
>LFG/LFR make the game godawful
you know what made the game godawful? Sitting in world chat for hours trying to get a group together. You need to take this fucking shit opinion and shove it back up your ass where it belongs.
>>335650452
What. Are trying to say quests are boring now and in vanilla they were exciting?
Are you serious?
>>335651467
I'm saying they're linear, steamlined like a roller coaster, and therefore boring.
>>335651467
Battle for Darrowshire and Tirion's quest were pretty good. Meanwhile in Modern wow we have Uldum and modern redridge.
>>335634086
>Buy effective upgrades from vendors
HAHAHAHA
ToME4 here: Not really, vendors are crap except early ame and rouletting late game.
>>335651564
As opposed to what?
Give me an example of what you think is interesting.
>>335651720
Why do you have it stuck in your head that I think vanilla quests are more interesting
Cata didn't make better quests, it just made them boring in different ways.
>>335651773
And I'm asking you to give me some examples of more interesting quests. Even from different MMOs. Do you want ones like in TOR? FF14? Like what exactly?
>>335651438
>sitting in world chat for hours
join a guild you fucking retard
or instead just stay on regular servers where casual shits like you belong
>>335651438
The only problem with LFD was that they pandered to the players saying dungeons were too hard with a random group. I think Blizzard should've ignored them and just keep the difficulty the same until people realize that you probably won't get carried in LFD and you might have to pull your weight.
People adapt to the difficulty if they want to play the content.
>>335651854
I'd prefer quests that aren't streamlined and boring.
I have no examples in mind of more interesting quests, alongside the fact that I haven't played a new mmo after WoW, ever. I played mmos all the time before, but after it, never.
>>335651860
Guilds don't solve everything, especially when it's late and not a raidnight so no one is on for a full group.
You ALWAYS had to pug someone and it was always a fucking pain in the ass.
>>335651949
As someone that played Cata, your logic didn't work. People stayed shitty and quit the group if they weren't getting carried. Eventually they got so irritated they quit. Its not the only reason people quit, but it was a very common one.
I honestly prefer relatively easy normal dungeons, but much more challenging mythic and challenge mode ones with much better rewards like they started doing in WoD and expanding on in Legion. If they actually tune mythic dungeons to always be challenging itll be good.
>>335639921
This is an excellent post. Why aren't you faggots marveling at it?
>>335652061
>you always had to pug someone
no I didnt and right now I dont
Make friend you fucking retard
>>335651949
Except that it still doesnt address the social decay caused by LFD
>>335651949
That's an argument I'll cede to. I don't think LFG made the game worse, it was blizzard's attitude towards LFG balance that made it worse.
>>335652293
I love the irony of this post.
>join a guild and stop interacting with the community, then
>LFD ruined the community because it made you stop interacting with the community
>blizzard pulls nost and everyone gets pissed
"I bet blizzard will just announce legacy servers to make everyone super happy and get dat publicity"
>pristine servers anmounced
Blizzard cant do anything right even when its handed to them on a plate
>Finding dungeon groups with no effort and free fast travel.
>Ridiculously fast levelling speed.
>The removal of any meaningful need to travel on foot anywhere.
>The removal of almost all challenge; the players are 10 times more powerful now, while the mobs have all been significantly weakened.
These are the main things that changed the way the world felt. It shrunk it; made its actual size insignificant. Which is a damn shame, considering that the reason WoW became so popular in the first place was how huge the world seemed when you first started playing. Even when you were at max level in Vanilla, you still felt like you had things to achieve because it took effort and time to get gear instead of instantly being teleported to the beginning of the dungeon 15 seconds after you beat it... And beat it with 4 completely random people who you never once have to communicate with in order to beat the instance.
This utterly destroys the value of loot and strips the veneer of fun from the basic grind of any MMO so badly that all you're left with is monotony without challenge.
>Less classes
>Less races
>Less content stretched over months of leveling
>Illusion of exploration even when all of that shit has been documented years ago
>Pvp balance none existent
I will admit, having cross-realm and lfr/lfd removed would be a plus. But giving up Monk and Death Knight for the sake of nostalgia would suck.
Plus, having PvP finally be it's own endgame content is an addition that has been long overdue. You can have your nostalgia wars, but I want what Legion has to offer if it means PvP can finally be separate from PvE scrubs.
>>335652248
WoD style was good, and one of the only good things it had was the varying difficulty.
However the fact it's technical content doesn't mean blizzard should just give up on doing more dungeon/raid content.
>>335652417
Its almost infuriating how incompetent they can be sometimes.
>>335647508
That doesn't really change anything wrong with the game. You could go right now and play a character without heirloom gear and be at cap ready for raiding in a week if that.
The only thing remotely related to leveling faster in current WoW from that list is heirlooms (which you wouldn't have the first time around) and going into LFD.
The XP rates of the entire game are completely fucked up to begin with now and you'd very easily just plow through zone after zone 1/4 completed before greatly outpacing it.
When people scream for vanilla (whether that's a good or bad thing) they want vanilla. Not just changes to exp but everything from questing to dungeons to crafting to everything.
Imposing some really tertiary things a player could easily do on their own within a modern server isn't remotely close to what people are actually asking for.
At best CRZ removal could be fun but even then.
>>335652517
>But giving up Monk and Death Knight for the sake of nostalgia would suck.
Don't forget Horde Paladins and Alliance Shamans.
>>335632004
didn't the nostalrius team say somewhere that they were willing to share assets with blizz?
honestly blizz could just hire them outright with little fuss, I don't see why they wouldn't
There's one thing I really disliked about WoD that I feel doesn't get enough attention
>Dark Riding and Dark War Talbuks used to be extremely rare because you either PvP'd enough during TBC to have the Halaa tokens to get them, or you found someone willing to trade kills with you for hours which many people aren't willing to do
>One of the most common "rare" garrison missions gives you exactly the tokens you need to buy a Dark War Talbuk
>Now both of them are owned by over 30% of accounts
>>335629171
If it is TBC or Wrath I might look into it. Vanilla is shit.
