>So what can we do to capture that nostalgia of when WoW first launched? Over the years we have talked about a “pristine realm”. In essence that would turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder.
Here, your legacy servers, faggots!
Blizzard really hates you
>pristine servers
>literally just modern WoW without the basic amenities that make modern WoW bearable
They're literally so fucking out of touch with their playerbase it's almost frightening.
I'm surprised they commented at all. Also, the main people who operated Nostalrius are going to get hired by Blizzard.
>>335564874
why not hire them and get them to run a classic server
thats why a ton of pc games got even more successful and popular
the only reason i can think of that they cant is because they dont want retards who never played classic crying about the warts
>>335564604
this
>>335564495
Hitting level 70 is the new Vanilla experience. Bonus points if it is on a rogue.
People dont seem to realize there is a LOT OF WORK implied to host vanilla servers in an official manner for blizzard. Its not an on and off switch like a lot of you like to imply. its not "dump the old code in a server and watch it work with no effort".
Blizzard has already researched player behavior in regards to hosting vanilla servers and realized it wont return the investment required and work needed to maintain it later. In other words, its a poor idea doomed to failure, it wont even break even or be sustainable.
Hosting vanilla servers on the official systems implies a vast amount of work to setup and maintain. A separate client (maintaining two clients will be hell), absolutely new software and its own infrastructure. All for something already proven to not hold enough active interest over time by enough people to even cover the cost of doing the above, let alone maintaining it. Not to mention the opportunity cost implied as resources are put aside for it and not engaged elsewhere in things that do have returns and profits to keep going.(to use an old joke, imagine a few expansions worth of raids lost)
So yes, when blizz says "you think you do" they say that because random parrots can say whatever shit they want on the net, but the player populations behavior over a long period of time concerning this reveals otherwise. Nost is a big example itself, with the vast majority of registered accounts (a piddly sum compared to official servers) consisting of people who logged in, played for a while before losing interesting and left with a small active population remaining behind. All other private servers reveal the same activity over a period of time.That is not a sustainable model of behavior to follow up on in an official and expensive manner.
>>335564495
better than nothing i guess
>>335566782
>I know nothing about server maintenance but I will pretend that I do for the sake of my argument
>>335566782
$0.05 has been deposited into your account
>>335567037
That's not what he said anon. Please learn to read before confronting others.
>>335564604
>surely it is not our game that is shit, right p-pls cumbakc
>>335566782
I agree with this poster!
>One other note - we’ve recently been in contact with some of the folks who operated Nostalrius. They obviously care deeply about the game, and we look forward to more conversations with them in the coming weeks.
The only encouraging thing in the post, hopefully blizz isn't just referring to sueing nost's pants off as conversations.
>>335567037
He's mostly talking about oppertunity cost, they could probably make a bit of money, but they would make more money doing other things with their resources.
>>335566782
Yeah really, I work on commercial software and the amount of ignorance from some of these guys is amazing.
There's also no guarantee it will stop at vanilla, either. People are going to demand BC and Wrath, too.
>they would have to implement it into the battle.net client
>they would have to make it so your reports go through the battle.net site
>they have to add another game to your battle.net account that is linked to your retail wow subscription
>they need would need to reverse engineer their own game to rewrite vanilla (nost didnt do this, they used mangos open source code, so blizz shouldnt even hire nost devs)
etc etc etc
>>335569034
>The only encouraging thing in the post
It's a smokescreen to assuage any worries about Blizzard attacking the Nost team which a lot of people respect.
They are going to court with the Nostalrius team and their server provider, that's more than a C&D like most other private servers, there is serious litigation going on. They aren't hiring anyone.
>>335569124
>That one idiot who thinks server communication is some sort of cthonic black magic
If that's the case and it's sooooo hard to implement into games that didn't support current Bnet, do explain why D2 and WC3 are getting upgrades to it right now?
What I think would be the coolest thing about a pristine realm is the sense of community that would come from it. For a lot of people this is what they miss the most. Removing cross realm and such would definitely bring back that server community vibe. I like the sort of "action" that comes from cross realm but I can absolutely see where some people may miss the more personal community feels you had when the only people wyou saw around were "Your people". There was even a kind of nemesis factor to the known opposing faction players and they could just pop up anywhere. Since it was so personal you would be PvP'ing in the world with them just trying to best them because you knew who they were. So theres definitely a lot of the old feels that a pristine server would capture.
>>335569059
Opportunity cost only applies when you're talking about mutually exclusive options.
>>335569113
>There's also no guarantee it will stop at vanilla, either. People are going to demand BC and Wrath, too.
Which is literally a good thing, because people wanting to play through vanilla, bc and wrath is like 4 years of content if they release progressively fast as fuck. Thats a lot of monthly subs
>>335569130
Maybe I'm just an optimist, but i feel like they wouldn't post specifically about talking to the nost team if they were going to push their lawsuit. It would make blizzard look even worse than they do now if they post about talking to these guys and then a few weeks later it comes out how hard they are fucking them in court.
>>335569209
You know more about it than I do anon, can you explain why it WOULD work? And no, you can't use money as an excuse.
>>335569257
It is mutually exclusive. They have a pool of resources and decide what to do with them. Unless you expect them to be philanthropic, in which case let me laugh at you.
>>335569124
>they would have to implement it into the battle.net client
They didn't do it even for retail wow(they work separately from each other) but will need to do for the vanilla wow...
>>335569248
>What I think would be the coolest thing about a pristine realm is the sense of community that would come from it.
Oh yeah man, forcing modern WoW community to try and be close, that's going to end well.
Redditors are fucking hilarious.
>>335569303
>It is mutually exclusive
Only if you can prove that their resources are limited enough where only one option is available to themyou can't.
>>335569271
>Which is literally a good thing
No it isn't, because it just means they will have to maintain another pair of client/server versions.
You can say you don't care how difficult or costly it is, but Blizzard do.
>>335569358
>they could do this fringe thing with their resouces instead of other things
That's all you need to know, they COULD dip into other pools, but why when it's low return. They already do a lot of good will low returns stuff.
>>335569334
That's why legacy would work better, because the lack of instant gratification would deter most of the people who actually enjoy modern wow, and leave us with players who liked classic and asked for it.
>>335569338
I assume this is r/wow?
That place has a reputation for being an even biggest drone hive than the official forums.
>>335569271
They could re-release Vanilla, BC, Wrath, etc each time they have a huge content drought like they are right now.
>>335569435
It's actually /r/games, the "serious" gaming forum.
>>335569362
The actual cost of hosting the server is minuscule to a company like blizzard. The hard part of this whole ordeal is getting the servers running, once they are theres no reason not to leave them up as long as they are profitable and work on legacy servers for the next expac.im probably just being selfish because i would literally murder a guy if it would let me relive the wrath zombie invasion launch event
>>335569421
>they COULD dip into other pools, but why when it's low return
Which is a different situation, where opportunity cost does not apply.
I just wanted to clear that up.
>>335566782
>wont return the investment required and work needed to maintain it later.
if diablo fucking 3 which is a non sub game can stay on a server for for 4 years hosting the 500 people that still play it they can easily host some servers for classic wow and even charge for it.
>>335564495
>So what can we do to capture that nostalgia of when WoW first launched?
Get a lobotomy.
>>335569528
>The actual cost of hosting the server is minuscule to a company like blizzard
You don't know anything about the costs or the expertise required to do something like this. Ignorance is not a point of view.
>>335566939
Actually no, it's worse than nothing. Modern WoW is designed around those things, take them out and you just have modern absolute garbage WoW made slower and more inconvenient while not giving back many of the core things people wanted.
No, no one was asking to play modern PvP and modern class design but masquerading it as classic style.
>you wanted legacy servers and WE LISTENED!
>now you can be afk in your gar..class hall without levelling gear!
>We wanted to let you know that we’ve been closely following the Nostalrius discussion and we appreciate your constructive thoughts and suggestions.
You can really feel the amount of annoyance by the end of that post, and I'm sure the person who wrote it rolled his eyes at the "constructive thoughts and suggestions" part, considering none of the thoughts and suggestions haven't been constructive whatsoever.
Still, hopefully this will make everyone shut the fuck up about this retarded subject, but I doubt it.
Just take your business elsewhere.
Rebirth and Kronos are options, I'd weigh more towards Kronos since it it hosted in Russia, so there's far less likely to be a Blizzard takedown. It's latency actually isn't bad at all from America either.
>>335564495
I'm pretty happy with this, i know nostcucks will claim it's gonna be WoD without the QoLs(never minding the fact that many things that made WoD shit are already nerfed or removed in Legion) but it's obvious that it's not gonna be just that but also other fixes, otherwise they wouldn't talk with the NOST devs for guidance. People that want a perfect emulation of 2006 wow are irrelevant and are justly being btfo'ed.
>>335569338
>>335569396
I like how you posted these as a 'look at these retards' kind of thing but those posts are more sensible than anything posted in the last Nostalrius thread.
>>335569602
Sure, but we can have an idea. Hosting Nost cost 3k a month. If we assume blizzard quality hosting and supprot would cost fifty times as much, thats still fucking peanuts.
I can understand setting the servers up costing a shit ton, but as far as upkeep the servers would easily pay for itself.
>>335569701
I love that they keep saying this shit about caring about feedback and suggestions.
In case you have've been following DK development in Legion.
They changed Blood Strike from a Rune cost to a Runic Power cost. It's absolutely AWFUL, it fucks with the reliability of your mitigation, slows down your opening pull mitigation, and takes too long to between Blood Strikes to get the required resource, and just generally just feels shitty in gameplay. Blood DKs have been giving a tidal wave of negative feedback on the matter, and here was their response:
>Death Strike is not moving back to costing Runes. Please advance the discussion to other topics.
corecraft when?
>>335569772
First guy is alright, but the second one is a fucking retard. He's literally complaining about people complaining.
>>335569735
>many of the things that made wod shit are already nerfed or removed in legion
have you followed legion even a tiny bit? its literally shaping up to be WoD 2.0, down to garrisons and ability pruning.
>>335569807
tomorrow noon gmt+1
>>335569807
I feel like I've been hearing this question for a long time.
>>335564495
>Blizzard makes a statement about making a pristine realm
>All the things people have been wanting are there; No fast leveling, no "p2w" (Even though buying a character boost really isn't but whatever.), no interruptions from other realms, no LFG
>/v/'s demonstrating right now how they really don't give a shit about that despite it being the major complaints around here about modern WoW, and just want to appeal to their nostalgia
Blizzard really is right about that "You think you want it, but you don't." statement.
>>335569807
Soon™
>>335569530
Okay, if you want to be technical yes. But for layman conversation it's a perfectly fine use of the term.
>>335569396
>>335569338
Both of those are valid.
Everyone complains about it but you know what, nowadays literally anyone can make a game even an 'M'MO, just make a WoW clone that clones the gameplay but not the lore and revel in your shit ass nostalgia mechanics.
Just get Atavism Online Engine and make your own shit you fucking children.
>>335569209
DELETE THIS FUCKING POST
>>335569872
>All the things people have been wanting are there
They reverted all PvP, class, dungeon, talent, zone design and quest design back to 2006 on the Pristine realms as well?
>>335569830
class halls are not garrisons 2.0, you should follow the latest alpha news. The gated stuff is irrelevant for progression and can be skipped. You're right about the ability pruning tho', but hopefully we can get old talents and abilities back.
>>335569782
>Sure, but we can have an idea. Hosting Nost cost 3k a month. If we assume blizzard quality hosting and supprot would cost fifty times as much, thats still fucking peanuts.
You act as if it is a simple case of checking out the client/server code from 2006 and booting it up.
It's not going to be that way. I can guarantee that some things about the Vanilla environment are entirely lost, now.
It's not just server hosting but employing experts. The cost of having separate teams of developers to maintain different client/server versions will be a lot. You'll also need experts who are familiar with running the server.
>>335569209
Shut up retard
They did it for the diablo 2 in last update, but wow infrastructure is too hard and they don't have code anymore, so stop bothering them, please
>>335569872
$0.05 has been put into holding on your account. Please contact Human Resources to update your payment information before your funds will be released.
>>335569807
Imagine the salt when you're like midway in your level 40's and Blizz shuts it down
>>335569872
Not really. Those are things we want, but there's still a whole lot that is left out in what blizz is describing pristine realms will be.
For example, pruned abilities, new abilities, class tweaks, DKs and Monks, talent trees, BC/WotLK/Cata/MoP/WoD content as well as changes made to classic zones, quests and dungeons in Cata and beyond. That's all I can think of, but there's more than that even.
>>335570015
>Shutting down a Russian server
Good one, they can't even get cp hosts down.
>>335569920
So basically you want the game to be a broken mess again with no semblance of balance whatsoever.
>>335569996
xD
>>335569872
>Blizzard really is right about that "You think you want it, but you don't." statement.
The subtext of that is "You think you want it, but you don't understand the full implications."
>>335569896
He's being anal for the sake of shitposting, ignore him.
>>335569872
>make pristine realm
>dungeons are still designed around LFG retard groups, so enjoy your AOE pulls and hallway dungeons
>flying still cancerous and making the world scenery instead of something you play in
>down from FOUR raid modes to THREE (holy shit big improvement)
>classes still pruned down to less abilities than they had 10 years ago
>every class still brings the same shit to a raid in a different wrapper
no thanks
>>335569124
WOW! IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE GETTING PAID TO DO WORK! I THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST PAYING THEM TO SIT THERE AND DO NOTHING.
>>335564495
Really hyped about this, if they do it right it will be the best of both worlds between vanilla and modern wow. I wasn't going to get Legion out of spite because they refused to acknowledge us, but if the pristine servers will be done right i'm gonna preorder that shit and resub for a year. I would never pay for a 2006 emulation for more than a month, nost was good as it was because it was free.
>>335570053
That "broken mess" went from 0 to 9 million subscribers.
>>335564495
Pristine realms could work, but they'd have to do so much more than just turn off all the QoL features. They'd have to restructure core parts of the game (mobs, quests, raids, maybe PvP) to actually make it into an enjoyable experience. IE, basically make the game good again.
>>335566782
groups of 5-10 are doing it amateur devs community gms
>>335570053
Yes, that was enjoyable.
>>335570158
They'd also need to convince the playerbase to start over on those realms.
>>335570084
>less abilities than 10 years ago
m8, you literally took like 4 classes to raid for ONE spell, and some guilds would kick you for using other spells because there's a chance you won't have mana for the spell they actually want you there for.
guys
guys
you can bring back vanilla code
but you cannot bring back vanilla people
>>335569990
>i don't know what source control is
They very likely have the old code even if they use shit ass svn (I think they use perforce tho). They will however have to setup build servers and dev environments they will need a team to do the following:
>Balance (Hur people will want pvp balanced)
>Bug Fix (There are bugs fixed in newer versions of wow that haven't been backported)
>Add Content (If you think people will be happy with running ZG, MC, AQ20\40, onyxias lair, naxx every week for 100s of weeks then you are stupid as fuck)
IT'S SATIRE ON BLIZZARD'S PET
THE GAME CAN BE PLAYED AVOIDING ALL THOSE THINGS, BLIZZARD WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO REMOVE THEM.
>>335566782
>Blizzard has already researched player behavior
No they fucking haven't. They don't have the first clue what a Skinner box is, otherwise they wouldn't have butchered the game in the way they have. Protip, large companies whose current staff aren't the original staff don't have the first fucking clue.
>>335570212
>if it's not used for raiding it may as well not exist
People like you are how I got PvP rank on nostalrius.
>>335570212
Yup, the rotations were shit. The classes still had more identity because what they brought to the raid was unique.
>>335570227
Nost conclusively proved that the issue with the community in retail wow is a game design problem, not a people problem.
>We are listening.
>J. Allen Brack
>making a youthinkyoudo guy out of everyone else to make a post about the legacy outcry
AHAHAHAHAHAHA THEY ARE LITERALLY SHITTING IN YOUR FACES AHAHAHAA
LFG AQ40
>>335570280
>pugging AQ40
what nightmare did you spawn from
>>335570227
>vanilla people here
>>335570227
WoD brought back practically all their previous player base that they lost. Only to lose them again faster than ever, but still, nostalgia is a strong fucking thing.
>>335569790
Guess they got sick of Blood DK being too fun or something.
On the bright side Frost is actually fun for once.
i bet some of you were still ike what 10 or 8 years old back then and never even played the game fucking brats
>>335570227
At this point I think you're right. Vanilla WoW people have gotten fucked by Blizz time and time again at this point that aside from nost players I doubt legacy servers would get a massive turnoutI still want them though
>>335564495
They're never going to do Legacy servers because they're genuinely afraid that their entire subscriber-base will flock to them and never buy another expansion. And expansions are worth a ton of money.
Especially since people will eventually get tired of and complete the vanilla content, and then Blizzard won't have ANY good moves to make - adding anything would piss everyone off, and not adding anything would cause everyone to get bored and leave.
>>335570327
because WoD marketing was all like
>it will be like vanilla
>guys please come back hard 5 mans open world pvp
>balanced pvp
>good raids
>PLEASE COMEBACK
>>335570390
Your mum played with my dick you goddamned piss-baby
>>335566782
I don't even play WoW, and this guy owned everyone in this thread
Seriously,
>>335567037
>>335568826
>>335569562
>>335570173
>>335570258
all OWNED.
>>335570448
>expansions are worth a ton of money
Not really. Nowhere near worth what subscriptions are worth.
>>335570203
I wish Blizzard had this mentality. But they keep catering to the retarded players.
See: LFR and exp boosts.
>>335570468
way to show your age boy
>>335570448
>they're genuinely afraid that their entire subscriber-base will flock to them and never buy another expansion.
>>335570475
RAAAAABBBIT
>>335570467
What is that image for, ants?
>>335564495
>turned off the QoL adjustments
>didn't made the server worked like the earlier expansions instead on top of the QoL adjustments
>>335569303
Blizzard wastes resources all the fucking time.
>>335570475
lol WREKT sickburn/10 retweeted
PS - what anime is that from???
>>335570203
Holy shit, do Simpsons have a quote for any life situation there can be?
>>335570475
cringy faggot
>>335570530
no wrong image
>>335570349
So what you're saying is that we should combine Vanille, Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King all into one.
I mean, they all resulted in increased subscribers.
Oh but wait, that's pretty much what we ALREADY have minus a few features.
Another "good ol' days" grandpa who can't accept being wrong.
>/v/ thinks that classes in Vanilla were actually complicated
Literal children.
Vanilla in general had many illusions.
The illusions of choice.
The illusions of difficulty.
The illusions of being complicated.
>B-BUT OLD TALENT TREES WERE SO MUCH BETTER
Gotta love +1% of Stamina or having to pick useless abilities you didn't even want to get to a certain ability you did want, basically wasting talent points.
>B-BUT VANILLA RAIDS WERE HARD
Having your entire raid stand around doing nothing in fear of getting aggro from the tank sure is difficult.
>CLASSES BEFORE WERE SO COMPLICATED
You had a fuck ton of bloated abilities, and some were basically useless.
>>335564495
>move that has the potential to fix modern wow if done right
>we could get new expansions and content without the fear of the expansion dumbing down everything by staying in the pristine server
>no, we want to run vanilla content FOREVER
nostcucks are truly retarded. Blizzard did the best move it could make catering to both the player bases, if done right pristine servers will MAKE WOW GREAT AGAIN. If it's just Draenor plus grind they can eat shit.
>>335570448
Yes, because people would rather raid the same shit they've been doing for years than try out whatever new garbage blizzard shits out.
I loved MC, but fuck doing that place for the millionth god damn time to gear up freshly level'd 60's to keep my guild going because people would constantly get bored of no new content and quit. Thus getting stuck in a constant cycle of finding fresh players, gearing them, then having to find more.
>>335570271
This just made me appreciate blizzard
haha nerds still playing wow 2016
How did you people read a sincere blue post about it (they didn't need to respond at all) and get all that negativity?
Cheer fucking up.
Essentially what he talked about is the same experience people are getting from these nostalgia trips. Turn off everything that's convenient, including flying, group finder and heirlooms. All they need to do is up the health of the mobs and it's the the same experience without the glaring problems of vanilla.
>>335566782
>Blizzard has already researched player behavior in regards to hosting vanilla servers and realized it wont return the investment required and work needed to maintain it later. In other words, its a poor idea doomed to failure, it wont even break even or be sustainable.
Blizzard has never revealed any information that would support that claim, other than the infamous "YOU THINK YOU WANT IT" fiasco.
>All for something already proven to not hold enough active interest over time by enough people to even cover the cost of doing the above, let alone maintaining it.
How was that proven? Nostalrius' massive success proves otherwise, in addition to all the drawbacks players suffered through because it was an unofficial server.
As for the whole economic aspect, the true answer as to why they don't want Vanilla servers ties in with the change let their players pay for game time with gold, which is an extremely risky manoeuvre. Obviously they must have calculated that they're making more money through mounts and other bullshit available through game shops, which are an eyesore and would feel out of place in Vanilla.
Perhaps they'd let legacy servers pass if they could find a way to introduce the shop to the game or keep legacy time only purchasable with real life currency. There's a definite interest in legacy servers and they would be profitable, it's just Blizz has better cash cows to milk at the moment.
>>335570268
Yeah hunters sure were more fun and interesting when their rading contribution was tranq shot.
>>335570261
>vanilla pvp
>most classes
I came here to laugh at you.
>>335570271
well its him who made that catchy meme why wouldnt he respond
>>335570595
all i did was post an image
>>335570678
All Blizz had to do was not to fucking touch Nost. Their playerbase stayed, and the others had Nost.
>>335570640
lol
>Gotta love +1% of Stamina or having to pick useless abilities you didn't even want to get to a certain ability you did want, basically wasting talent points.
yeah better to wait 15 levels before you can upgrade your character again :^)
>You had a fuck ton of bloated abilities, and some were basically useless.
Most of them were situational, depending on what you were fighting.
>>335570710
>literally copy+pasting your post
Nice shill behavior buddy
>>335564495
I'm happy with this, the only things i liked more in vanilla and nost were the community and the difficulty, and removing cross realms and dungeon finder can get the community back. Leveling can easily be fixed by removing heirlooms boosts etc. and just making the exp and gear as they were back then(no gear scaling). Modern wow with people playing everywhere is gonna be beautiful.
>>335570640
>Gotta love +1% of Stamina or having to pick useless abilities you didn't even want to get to a certain ability you did want, basically wasting talent points.
>this meme again
>>335570774
Except they clearly stated they had to protect their IP and couldn't just leave it alone. And didn't harbor any ill will toward Nost.
>>335570774
Just play on Kronos, it's located in russia so they won't take it down, it has better scripting than Nost and the same population. Good luck with leveling tho', it doens't have the fast mob spawn that Nost had so questing is impossible even at 2am.
>>335570710
>same experience people are getting from these nostalgia trips.
>nostalgia trips
>same experience
Are you shitting me right now
so much butthurt from wow fanboys we're gettiing heard and they dont like it but continue to try and convince people they dont like vannila
what was that quote
youthinkyoudobutyoudont
and guess what 200k know they do
>>335570815
>vanilla people will suddenly play modern wow
yea sure mate have fun with the neo blizzard community.
>>335570848
Are we playing the same game?
You are aware we are talking about vanilla wow right?
>>335570349
tfw
>start in 2006
>stopped hardcore raiding at end of BC
>stopped raiding midway through wotlk
>logged into cata twice for a few minutes
>you saw the rise of wow and left it at it's peak
>>335570710
See >>335570036 and >>335570084
The "glaring problems", assuming you're not talking about bugs, are what made vanilla fun and challenging. If you ARE talking about bugs, I would tough it out if Blizzard didn't bother to try and patch them.
>>335570715
which class wasn't viable in world pvp?
>>335564495
What a cop-out answer.
>to capture that nostalgia
It's not fucking nostalgia, it's missing a better game. Holy shit Blizzard.
>>335570203
to be fair, a vast majority of blizzard game players are idiots who only play blizzard games just because they are blizzard games, even though the quality of blizzard games has been in a steady decline since WoW: TBC and when Activision ate Blizzard.
So think of it like this. You know how there are people who like shitty pop music just because it's popular and it's what the TV told them to like? That's modern blizzard. Blizzard knows how to cater to and get money out of these individuals. They don't care about the the smaller, harder to impress demographic that actually wants quality in their games.
Quality is expensive and does not have greater returns. Why would blizzard care?
>>335570936
so edgy i bet u get all the chicks
>>335570921
the neo wow will stay on legion servers. Besides millenials were in nost too, every general chat was basically rapefugees, trump and religion of peace shitposting.
>>335569990
>too hard
Nope, they have the roads all maped out, it'd be like dropping down an entire town in a week
>They dont have da code plz stop bothering them
Freudian slip detected
We all know you are a shill, if they truly lost their code then thats game over for them legally since they'd admit to fucking abandoning their game
>>335564495
>>335564604
Just stop. You guys don't really want classic servers.
You REALLY want private servers to "stick it to the man" (i.e. Blizzard).
>>335566782
>Play retail
>Made a Nost account
>Logged on, made a Tauren, ran around remembering and reminiscing
>Made the journey across The Barrens like I did all those years ago
>Got to see old Orgrimmar again
>Over a few hours it had dawned on me just how slow and tedious a lot of it was and had been
>Too used to the pace of modern WoW
>Combat felt too slow and clunky compared to what it is now
>Commended people for being able to play it till endgame and actually raid, but admitted it wasn't for me
>Never logged into it again after a day
>Just want all of this shit to stop because everyone's so fucking annoying and adamant about it that it's tiring
>>335570774
>i don't know shit about ip law but i'm going to spout shit anyway
You have to defend your rights if infringed otherwise it can be viewed that it is actually theirs.
Blame your shit ass laws.
>>335571045
that ass tho
>>335569872
The core game design has changed for the worse. This is a start, but it's nowhere near a finish.
In modern WoW, you raid or you do PvP and that's literally all the game is. That's the problem.
>>335564495
This is not even what i wanted, but at least all the blizzcucks who thought they were gonna wipe their asses with the petition got BTFO so hard. People underestimate the damage of getting smeared in the social medias in this day and age, twitter is literally a videogamedev worst nightmare.
>>335571003
yeah feeling good about quitting a game is so edgy mate
>>335570268
Nost proved that fully doc'ed and guided Vanilla is piss easy and doesn't provide any challenge like it did back then
Vanilla without all that novelty it had, mistery and illusions about game's future is fucking worthless
You will never force or persuade Blizz into changing WoW or making legacy servers simply because you are a minority and general playerbase will be extremely pissed with all "muh vanilla" features
Legacy servers are pathetic in terms of pop and barely make up for portugal. Plus, vanilla players won't buy any expacks. Making legacy doensn't bring any decent revenue and what's most important MAKES BLIZZARD LOOK BAD. Because if they launch legacy they admit they are shit at game design.
>>335571119
Except they did wipe their ass with it. They literally did nothing except say "we are listening!" Which they say virtually every time there is any controversy.
>>335570965
>It's not fucking nostalgia.
Except it totally and completely is.
>800k registered accounts
>Only like 100k were still playing
People made an account to relive a bit of nostalgia and see things they haven't seen in years and then quit.
It's not fucking rocket science.
>>335571240
It was the first time I actually enjoyed the game in over half a decade, it sure as hell wasn't nostalgia for me. Modern WoW is an abortion from the ground up, it's not a good game anymore and band aids won't fix that because the current game is victim to a series of poor design choices that has been going since wrath.
>>335571194
>he still thinks the "difficulty" people miss in vanilla was the bleeding edge of raiding
why even bother talking
>legacy servers are pathetic in terms of pop
amazing you can say that considering they've never been tried on WoW. Runescape opened up an Oldschool server and its got more players than their live version.
>>335571045
>>335571071
>you think you want it but you don't
Thanks, but your point has already been made by blizzard themselves
>>335571348
Good for you, you were the minority. I'm sure you feel like a huge special snowflake.
>>335571240
so those 100k people shouldn't have a game to go to? It's not the biggest number but it's large enough to prove that a significant amount of people have interest in legacy servers.
Keep in mind that near the end of it's lifespan nost averaged around 12k-15k players online at any given time, this would put it within the top 30 games on steam in terms of concurrent players.
>>335571194
>Blizzdrone shotgunning different half ass reasons
People who normally don't want to play the game would get in that
People who want to take a wack at it(like how many on nost did)
>it costs too much money
No
>It would hurt blizzard's rep
They are doing it themselves, hell they even mentioned "pristine servers" so they are not completely cold hearted on change
>waah I dont want vanilla players to exist
Sorry buttercup but it looks like we are winning
>>335570965
>better game
>you actually believe this
Jesus christ. Actually think about vanilla's gameplay and design. The game was broken beyond belief. The simple fact retail actually works and every spec is playable puts it above vanilla.
>>335564604
But that is what people complain about lol.
Friggin nostalrious kids. Feeling entitled to a product you didn't pay for lol
>>335571240
thats one server
lets go grab fenix, corecraft and kronos and any others we can find and mash it together
>>335571227
making pristine servers is not doing nothing, they won't magically appear out of thin air, money will be spent.
>>335571480
Fuck you man I want to Fear people across BG's eternally again.
>>335566782
Basically this. And the Nostalrious playerbase would banish as soon as you put a pricetag, no matter how small, on it
>vanilla was more fun
Yes because you are a man-child who never grew up and are obsessed with the time period in your life where you sat around as a teenager doing nothing but play wow, a time before you became the worthless waste of space you are today.
Vanilla was completely unbalanced and is objectively worse overall. They need to devote resources to making the current game better, not towards appeasing autists that will never be happy.
>>335571480
Retail is a shitty single player game which only offers you a couple of hours of gameplay a week. Vanilla has less polish, and it is over a decade old, but it sure as hell is more fun and has a truckload more content and things to do.
I played on nost for a while, got to 60. Now I came back to modern WoW and I must say the biggest thing that vanilla had over modern wow is how you were forced to communicate to succeed.
I feel like deleting cross realm bullshit would be the first step to fixing modern wow
>>335571495
>We want vanilla wow
>what if we took the retarded shit out of modern wow
>well it'd make it better, but not really what we just asked for
I'm not saying its a bad step to take to improve on modern wow but I'd still want my vanilla server damn it
>>335571591
>he thinks the current game is able to be saved
i wish i was still as naive as you
>>335571514
Congrats, you'd have an extra 50k players.
>>335571591
>Vanilla isn't fun because Ad homenium don't you know
bait
>>335571591
Chess is an objectively more balanced and well-designed game than world of warcraft is, why aren't you playing that?
Cross realm, mount buying, dungeon/raid finder, pet battles.
These are where wow went wrong.
>>335564495
>Wana turn off level acceleration
>Mentions all the extre shit they put in to game
>DONT event mention the actual acceleration by eithe increasing exp gained or your exp needed per level every expansion.
>Dont mention how piss easy the current dungeons.
>>335569978
or they could just pay the original Nost team of 10 people a regular wage to script, maintain and update the server.
additionally, nost outright said server costs were around 1k / month.
>>335571741
>mount buying
>pet battles
How do these affect the core design of the game at all?
Could you imagine, going up 99 levels with Vanilla WoW's exp gain and progression?
Have fun taking an entire year to get to endgame.
>>335571541
Except they were only tossing around the idea and seeing if the community would respond to it. And all it does is make retail tedious again by forcing it on everyone instead of just choosing if you want to level up faster or not.
>>335564495
>o what can we do to capture that nostalgia of when WoW first launched?
That's the thing about nostalgia, you won't ever feel that feeling again and that's why it is considered nostalgic.
>>335571761
Or they could make the Nost team pay 2k a month for the rights, forcing them to add paid suscriptions to the game.
And pirate fags wouldn't pay so the thing would be dead within three months. No shitstorm and Blizzard wins again.
>>335571741
>pet battles
Doesnt effect the rest of the game even a tiny bit. I'd prefer that they dont waste resources on it, but I dont give a shit if its in or not.
The rest is awful and needs to be axed though.
>>335571814
>forcing it on everyone
Are people going to be forced to play on the pristine realms you literal retard?
>>335571608
This
Modern wow has become like a single player game with LFR and Dungeon finder allowing you to hook up with 4-20 players and abandon them as soon as the Dungeon/Raid is complete. I enjoyed WoW when you had to interact with other people to progress, that was how massive guilds of active players grew.
>>335571480
Yeah and they all play the fucking same. Vanilla was broken mess, but it was broken mess witch character and soul. Current wow is a better game from pure mechanical point of view, but in doing so blizzard managed to lose all the charm it had initially.
>>335571814
you can have that, just play on Legion servers. And tossing around the idea doesn't mean they won't make them in the end.
>>335571847
>he thinks 200 people wouldnt past for nost
are you retarded? do you have brain damage?
>>335571662
I refuse to believe that every other server in a existence combined has 50k players
Nost alone had 150,000 active every day
This isn't counting in people who literally admitted to not playing on nost due to the fact that at any point it could fucking disappear in a second
The problem is with every "Criticism" of vanilla wow I've seen on here implies the critic has all the answers
We haven't seen the numbers of what it costs, but rather "that it'd be hard" which is either code word for they fuckng deleted their code or their lazy due to the fact that many amateurs managed to do it
>>335571805
XP gain (and the overall combat) is in general a lot faster in modern wow. It would take around same time to reach cap in both vanilla and modern even without boosts.
>>335564495
Anyone else actually enjoys the fact that calling such a realm "pristine" implies that all their improvements and additions to the game since classic are "dirty"?
Might even say, 'corrupt'?
>>335571741
>mount buying
What do you mean? I remember pruning my spending from 30-40 just to afford my mount at 43, buying a mount was that expensive.
>>335571847
They pay for servers which are not free yet its some how been operational for 5 fucking years
>>335571961
>>XP gain (and the overall combat) is in general a lot faster in modern wow.
>This is how fucking delusional people are
>>335571945
I can only speak from experience about feenix but it's pretty dead and has been for a long time. The unusual thing about nost was its high population, there aren't too many people playing on other servers. 50k may be a bit low of a figure but nost made up the majority of people who played WoW private servers.
>>335571897
200 people wouldn't pay for a dead server where they are the only ones paying and playing.
85% of the playerbase wouldn't pay and this kills the MMO
>>335571878
You are aware "pristine" servers will still be legion right? Just with a clean slate for everyone who plays on it.
>>335572013
he means with cash, not gold
>>335570251
>Add Content
I mean they wont have to do this for a while though, it will probably take at least a year if not longer for naxx to be on farm and people to be bored. thats an entire year for them to come up with literally anything.
>>335572062
Ah. Yeah, fair enough. Grinding rep and gold is good.
>>335571775
Oh I forgot this was a Blizzard shill thread.
>Mount Buying
How is this not a bad thing? If mounts are something to be proud of given the way they have become tied to in-game effort and achievement, what does it say when you can just open your wallet and skip the line for the most visually impressive mounts in the game? It also opened the door for things such as buying a level x character.
>Pet Battles
A poorly conceived, poorly supported, and overly intrusive mechanic. Something that is bad and unnecessary serves to make the game worse. I'm sure you're angling toward the "but it doesn't take away from anything" meme, but it doesn't contribute to anything either.
>>335572005
How about you actually read what "pristine" servers even are in the first place.
>>335569124
>they need would need to reverse engineer their own game to rewrite vanilla (nost didnt do this, they used mangos open source code, so blizz shouldnt even hire nost devs)
Or they just create a branch from an older version, assuming they have version control. Which they should.
Maintaining separate versions will be a pain, though.
>>335564604
>without the basic amenities that make modern WoW bearable
You mean the ones that remove the community like Cross-realm shit? No thanks m8
That said, these systems aren't the only thing that make modern wow bad so this pristine server shit is still a bad idea.
>>335571761
>or they could just pay the original Nost team of 10 people a regular wage to script, maintain and update the server.
Why would they do that? They maintain it through a series of hacks.
Blizzard would want to maintain it with the same rigor as they do the current production game.
>>335571591
>if I keep posting this in every thread, eventually it will be true
>>335572056
If nost charged 15 bucks a month but was actually allowed to be streamed/youtubed, could have servers hosted in the US and was never under the threat of constant shutdown MORE people would play it, not less.
I can tell you never played on nost or talk to people who play nost because you think anyone cared that it was free.
>>335569113
Not gonna lie, I'd play a WOTLK server
>>335569113
M8 if a bunch of backwater nerds in the Czech republic can maintain a server it shouldn't be so hard for Blizzard either
>>335572215
So would I
>>335571961
Blizzard purposefully shortens the time spent on old content. With boosts gone that will take ages.
>>335572241
Nope, you think you would but you wouldn't
>>335572239
Sure, if blizzard were interested in running a hack of a server. They're not, though.
>>335572119
I literally could not give less of a shit if the guy next to me is sitting on some dumb cash shop mount, all it does is tell me that he's a child who spends money on pointless bullshit.
And pet battles existing/not existing makes absolutely zero difference to me, it affects exactly nothing. It's pointless and redundant, it does nothing, so why is it a core problem with the game? How would removing something that may as well not exist as it is improve the game significantly?
>>335570251
You are stupid as fuck, almost as badly as they are.
Nobody needs those things, as much we would like it for them to REBOOT the game - that is not whats being asked for here, but it is what you are talking about.
A Legacy server is the legacy game available, with all its issues and problems as it was then.
What you are talking about it taking a legacy server and making it "live" again.
Some bugfixes could be okay, but CONTENT? from a company that doesnt even bother to make content for the current form of the game?
thats delusional.
All they need to handle is
>integration into their current bnet 2.0 framework
>possibly several realm/patches and realm jumping (upwards only)
>>335572239
m8 they could barely run it themselves, Nost crashed all the fucking time.
>>335572035
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/2-3-0
>The amount of experience needed to gain a level has been decreased between levels 20 and 60. In addition, the amount of experience granted by quests has been increased between levels 30 and 60.
>Level 1-60 dungeon quests have had their experience and faction rewards increased.
>>335570551
Yeah, the show literally used to be the greatest fucking thing of all time.
Is there any doubt that one of the next expansions is going to be old content but for maximum level?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10053520/r
vote time niggers
>>335572138
Not all QoL changes were bad
>>335572130
What about it?
Its a shitty retail server with all their shitty choices disabled.
The implication I talk about still stands, if pristine is without those things - than those things are dirt.
>>335572294
Except its not, these big servers hold well over the maximum amount of people compared to on Retail realms and work just fine in latency and in terms of bugs depending which one you go to.
So get fucked m8. Literally no reason for them not to do it, they just don't want to.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10053533
http://www.strawpoll.me/10053533
http://www.strawpoll.me/10053533
http://www.strawpoll.me/10053533
Well /v/?
>>335572332
To say that the combat is faster though is a lie.
>>335566782
This guy has most of it right.
The thing is, Nost's admins had a few advantages; They worked openly with existing communities to get the server to function cleanly, they didn't have to worry about integration with existing infrastructure, and they weren't charging money which meant they basically didn't have any kind of basic legal or business obligations. It's a bit of a hacked together mess, which is great if you're a group of guys doing it for the heart of it, but when you're a massive company, not so much.
Also, signing a petition is easier than forking over 15 bucks. Just because a lot of people said they'd pay, doesn't mean they actually would. At the end of the day, the entire endeavor would be costly, difficult, and time consuming.
The only thing blizzard really did wrong was shutting down Nost through legal means. It probably earned them jack dick in the way of subscriber numbers, cost them money in legal proceedings, and earned them a ton of bad press. Were they in their legal right to do it? Absolutely. I'm in my legal right to smack my dick with a hammer. Doesn't make it a good fucking idea.
>>335572482
I'm not that anon, combat is about the same speed it's always been. Leveling is faster though.
I can't really blame people for reacting this way, though.
They have this philosophy now that more people need to see the high-end content that they invest so much time and energy into.
But, every expansion all those raids become obsolete.
At this point all the obsolete content vastly outnumbers the current content.
If it was up to me, I would have had all expansions be levels 50-60, and you have a separate character level, equipment, and inventory for each expansion (including vanilla).
That way, people could continue to raid BC or Wrath raids if they want to.
>>335572384
Yup. Stuff like moving mounts/pets to their own tab were good. Stuff like removing arrows was bad.
Agreeing on what QoL changes were good and which were bad is actually impossible. Just release vanilla as it was.
>>335570786
>yeah better to wait 15 levels before you can upgrade your character again :^)
are you an actual retard? the boring stat increases you would've gotten from the talent points are embedded into the level gain. there's literally no difference.
>>335572465
so far 86% yes, 14% Not interested
So far "vanilla fags are piratefags" getting blown the fuck out
>>335572465
Depends entirely on what "legacy" means.
If they have classic+TBC+WTLK
With their different Tier stage patches on different servers, and I have the ability to jump to the next patch/realm in time, I'd pay the full price.I wouldn't play anything less than that
>>335572324
Not talking about Nost
>>335572412
>Literally no reason for them not to do it
Other than aforementioned hack bullshit
>>335572578
I made the Strawpoll
"Progression" being what Nost was planning/what you are mentioning
BLACKED
>>335572578
You mean a progression server that cycles vanilla up to lich king, or a seperate server for each expansion?
>>335572624
Right, no valid argument then and ignoring the reponse. Go back to the US wow forum like the rest of the fanboys
>>335572629
There's not a word mentioning "progression" in the strawpoll because I made it. Get your shit together anon.
>>335572703
Have a cry. Nostalriusfags are all drama queens.
>>335572638
Meh, people have moved on to other private servers already. It's Blizzards loss for not heeding what their customers have been wanting for years now
>>335572538
What's worse is that now even current expansion raids are obsolete, what's the point of Highmaul now?
If it was up to me, WoW progress would be mostly horizontal and people would be doing new raids for the sake of exploration and having fun
>>335564604
I can't wait till the goggles come off and people see vanilla for what it really is. People who played it back in the day don't have time for it anymore and the "new fags" think it was some golden age are in for a fucking suprize
>>335566782
I dunno homie. Even if it cost +20 million a year and a 10 million initial investment, I'd still argue it could be a positive investment.
Lemme know if I fucked something up, made this in 2 mins kek.
>People keep saying no one wants to pay for vanilla but rather play for free
>straw poll goes up
>88% said they would pay for vanilla WoW
>>335572765
Oh look it's the rose tinted goggles of nostalgia argument yet again.
Could you stop that bullshit already. If that were honestly the case there wouldn't be so many people still playing vanilla private servers, even now the Nost refugees have swarmed other servers and filled some to the brim to the point new realms have to be opened.
Clearly it's not just nostalgia. It was a genuine enjoyable experience, despite its raw edges.
>>335572765
I'm sure it'll totally happen one day my man.
I guess a year playing on nost wasnt enough to open my eyes to the truth of how awful the game is, hopefully a few months a kronos will let me see the error of my ways
>>335572847
no confirmation bias at all
>>335572576
There isn't even a not interested option. There's a free option.
And no one should realistically expect official legacy servers for free. That's just brain dead retarded.
>>335572847
>what is sample bias
>>335572482
when I said combat is faster I meant that killing monsters is faster. This becomes a bigger deal when you hit some more of your abilities after level 20 or so. Killing multiple mobs at same time becomes easy. The quests have been streamlined for easier progress (cataclysm patch). The downtime between fights is lower as regen is higher for all classes. Movement speed between areas and quests is faster as you get mounts and movement abilities faster than before. Then there is the automated quest helper which makes doing quests faster and easier in general as well.
>>335572765
>play vanilla on a private server
>Like it now
>want a more stable version
This isn't some idea off someone's fucking head
people already are playing it, they just want a legit version
its like instead of making home made drugs, going to the goverment an ask for a better, legal version
>>335572936
Legacy servers should be included under the standard sub fee. Giving them a separate sub fee would only cannibalize their own market. To give an example,nobody who is subbed to Vanilla but no WoD would buy Legion, but if they're subbed to both, and active on both, then there is a much higher chance of them buying Legion.
>>335572936
hes talking about this one
http://www.strawpoll.me/10053520/r
just linked the wrong post like a retard
>>335564604
>frightening
you're talking about a video game you enormous homosexual, what the fuck is frightening about that
>>335572754
I find it funny that you vanilla cucks keep trying to tout that you are relevant in the slightest. The 5m+ that left WoW wouldn't come back for vanilla.
>>335572823
>7% is long term average returns from shares
Yeah. That'd be nice.
Numbers seem about right. It seems to indicate that Blizzard should run the server for all of 3 years before pulling the plug though.
Seems about right frankly.
I have infinite love for Vanilla, but I'd rather just have new content in a game that doesn't have stupid lore and easy gearing methods. I get the feeling that a lot of people don't remember the bad things from Vanilla. The great things was the sense of community and the challenge it took to acquire something in that game. But the Class balance was straight up garbage and everyone bitched to no end back in Vanilla. The community basically brought on all these changes, and then turned around and said blizzard is to blame for these changes.
As a bitch as it was, getting a mount was such a monumental task as a player. Stuff like that just isn't there anymore, would be awesome if they brought some of that stuff back.
>>335572936
There is two strawpolls
The other is a simple
Yes
No
Not interested
>>335573081
Enough to matter. Why so defensive, asshole? Can't handle the fact that some people like different things than you or something?
>played vanilla wow server years ago, only played for 2 months before I got bored
>my live account is still up but I literally can't even convince myself to do anything. even arbitrary dailies and mount farming feels useless because the game isn't fun and I rarely even run into people to show my mounts off too
oh well, I'll still log in and try for elegon mount today before summarily not playing for the rest of the week.
also you guys are total fucking faggots, jesus christ you make me sick. You're like whiny women who don't know what they want - and if they even get close it wont be good enough
make your own server if you're so impassioned over it
>>335572847
>sampling 10 people from /v/
great, i can use this for my research!
>>335573092
Nigger the people asking for vanilla were playing it 2 weeks ago just fine.
I love how no one acknowledges that a new Vanilla server is being launched tomorrow. Cya nerds.
>>335573081
>that 5 million that left wont come back because of vanilla
Well you better hope so, because it seems like your check would depend on it
>>335564495
Nostfags are literally Goobergate 2.0.
Good to see Blizzard didn't give into their bullshit. These Goobergate tier Nostfags need to realize that progress is always better than their childish memories.
Sorry you're single, overweight, and have nothing going on with your life so you try to fulfill past "Glories" and "Memories" with a game that's been surpassed in every way.
Rag only had three moves. THREE. Compare that to Imperator Mar'gok in Mythic Highmaul.
I understand perfectly though. Nostfags, like Goobergaters, are autistic retards and can't handle too much at one time. That's why they need a slow and long leveling process, since it helps them learn their class better. Can't have hard raids, or else the babies will cry!
Pathetic.
>>335573205
>make your own server
We did
They burnt it down
>>335573276
Note how every single time someone rails on vanilla, they mention raids.
Because that's all they know, that's all they've ever known in WoW. Raids. This is the entire game to them, and that's why they'll never understand why vanilla is good.
>MMO Champion has a poll
>the retards on MMO Champ are actually voting yes to pristine servers
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>335573276
>>335573276
>>335573276
this, and they'll wax naivete when confronted with this obvious baby tantrum. it's irrational, there's no reason for it other than riding the post-chanology wave of epic raids and being loud on the internet because the proxy attention is intoxicating.
>>335573276
>I have no real arugement so there for I will call people bad words
>>335573224
What does that have to do with anything I said.
THIS IS FUCKING HORSESHIT, FUCKING FUCK THIS IS NOT LEGACY, THIS IS SOME FAGGOT BULLSHIT TO GET US TO "TRY" IT AND STEAL OUR MONEY FOR A FEW MONTHS. DON'T FALL FOR IT!!!!
>>335573493
>I get the feeling that a lot of people don't remember the bad things from Vanilla
Except they were literally playing Vanilla a few weeks ago, bad parts and all.
>>335573478
>>335573478
>>335573478
get in here boys
PRISTINE SERVER BLIZZARD KEKS CAN FUCK OFF
>>335573221
Considering that everyone is pulliing the "but muh piratefags" out of their ass a small sample size is infintely better
Hell I'd keep the fucking poll going indefiently until I get a few thousand if it pleases you
>>335573361
I didn't just mention raids you Goobergate tier faggot. Nostfags like you need everything to be long and slow or else your little minds wouldn't be able to grasp the complexity of the game, which can be seen at how easy Vanilla raids, dungeons, content all together, is.
There's nothing hardcore about vanilla since it's been dissected. People asking for a "community" and "No casual LFD" would get that in this Prestige idea of Blizzards, something babies like you have been crying about for YEARS, but now it's not good enough - you all want your bottle back in the form of vanilla wow.
Literally autistic. I'm sorry but you will NEVER get the life you had back in the day. Or what, you never completed Vanilla content and want to be big and bad and do it? It's not the same when everyone knows everything. You and Nostfags like you are just latch ons of others past glories and want to make it your own.
>>335573545
So? I played on Nos, I've been playing on Vanilla servers since Wrath ruined wow. Doesn't make some components of Vanilla bad. My point has nothing to do with the player base of retail or private.
ok.. you can already turn off exp when you hit 60/70 or whatever.. terrible idea blizzard
>>335573660
>muh hardcores
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?
And keep spouting your stereotype m8, we both know it doesn't apply.
>>335573861
Then give me a list of why you, personally, want a legacy server.
>>335564495
FUCK YES
MAKE WoW GREAAT AGAIN
Monsters still need to be harder though.
>>335573091
If I were a shareholder, I'd urge them to push the legacy servers as a last effort cash grab. Generate some positive cash flows whilst dismantling the whole operation.
>>335572678
I'd prefer separate servers for expansions and even patches you can transfer between - but ofc only upwards.
I'd most definitely prefer playing TBC before SWP update
>>335573730
BUT WE LISTENED YOU SEE?
WE CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY
PRISTINE GARRISON IS A SOMETHING, BE GRATEFUL YOU KEK
>>335570683
>MC was your only raid
Casual confirmed
Lets not forget
>MC
>ony
>BWL
>ZF
>World raids
>PVP raids
>Naxx
>AQ40
Plenty of shit mang
>blizzfags vehemently defending Blizzard on their shitty updates
>vanillafags vehemently defending vanilla wow on it's outdated mechanics
This thread sure is shitty.
Modern wow is being casualtized despite the player base being mostly veterans at this point in a desperate bid for more customers. They've even implemented pay2win (or pay2 skip a large, tedious part of the game which is just as bad) elements in a game that has monthly subscription already.
Vanilla wow was "good" because of the time it was in. It too is just a shitty Themepark mmo, but due to thinks like lack of a wiki, build strategy, or dedicated discussion, it felt more substantial. Some people want to play vanilla wow. Just like some people wanted to play vanilla runescape. Both groups are fucking stupid.
God I hate Blizzard
"Pristine" realms sound like the best we're going to get out of this, and honestly it sits fine with me as long as we get the following:
1. Old World Azeroth - yes, it will take a bit to update it to the modern code. Don't care. It needs to come back.
2. Server specific level caps of 60, 70, 80, 85, 90, and 100, IDEALLY with an option to copy characters from the previous level capped realms so you can continue your adventures in the next expansion once you've finished at the previous cap.
Beyond that, they at least seem to get that community is important in this effort.
>>335574158
I know, right? Fucking assholes wanting to play video games. Christ.
>>335573947
That actually sounds cool. Once you feel like you're "done" with vanilla you can move your character to the TBC realm. I like this but would probably just have a character on each realm instead of moving.
>>335574361
i love the nostalcuck damage control that's happening right now, god fucking damn blizzard might suck cock at making games now but their trolling is top notch
>>335571495
I payed for vanilla
I payed for BC
I payed for WotLK
I payed for Cataclysm
I did not pay for pandaria
I was gifted WoD
I think i've earned a legacy server at this point
>>335570475
Thought his rambling post was so good he had to samfag a pat on his own back.
>>335574158
This 1000 times over. I would argue there are more redeemable things in Vanilla than retail, but the core of your point is so true.
I always felt connected to WoW because of Warcraft 3. Now WoW's lore feels so disjointed and poorly written.
>>335574425
Why should they have multiple realm versions? It'd only be a good idea if they made you pay to unlock them. 30.99 for a normal sub with added legacy bonus, along with you paying 19.99 for each expansion to unlock it at your own pace.
Just give me a progression realm, with each patch being deployed with 3-6 months intervals.
All through Vanilla to WotLK.
Then I could die as a happy man.
>>335574665
same realms means the vanilla population will die out and so will tbc. some people just dont want wotlk or tbc and want ot stick with the expansion of choice.
>>335564604
>>335564604
first reply best reply
>WEEKS of /v/irgins screaming LOL BLIZZARD WILL IGNORE IT ITS THEIR IP LOL U FREELOADING FAGGETS
>blizzard responds
>"..."
>Well one thing off top of my head was that Classic wow itself ran on different hardware. For example the mac client is actually a PPC client, an architecture that was dropped long ago by actual macs. this means to support the classic version of game for mac users, they'd need to create an intel x86/x64 client for mac users. for PC users, there is ensuring it works on a wider array of more modern versions of windows and hardware and the like (they've recently begun this with D2 and WC3 and those are far less complicated games and even that process is slow going and not without hiccups). This could be extra difficult if they no longer even have source code for legacy version of wow anymore. They'd literally have to reverse engineer their own software or rewrite it, possibly introducing new bugs that require new trouble shooting. It's really more complicated than you think.
>Many users who played on 3rd party servers for free or for small donations didn't expect this level of support and where happy to use unconventional means to make it work. However, if blizzard officially did it themselves, users would expect the quality of a commercial product not a fan maintained community. This means that yes they'd have to actually consider these technical challenges. They can't just throw it in a wrapper or tell users to use a VM or other hacks to make it work. Blizzard would not put their name on something so awful as that.
>There are probably a lot more technical reasons behind the scenes too but I just wanted to point out one such example I can at least speak upon as someone who's given client support for many years now.
>Diablo 3 does seasons in which you go through progression and see how far you get
>Blizzard is to retarded to recycle something from one game and put it in another for once
What WoW model did they use to make the SC2 Zealot again?
How many times have they reskinned Onyxia?
>>335575508
>It's really more complicated than you think.
That's it, you cannot convince me the average talent per developer in this industry HASN'T gotten to shit. A handful of Frenchies did it in their free time. Why are game devs so bad at making video games? Did they all go to "game design colleges"?
>>335564495
What they are saying in the bluepost is, we still say you don't want that and we give the option to play the same shitty game we created over the years, just slower level process. We are also not able to put effort into a realm vanilla or other expansion realm with out multi million dollar company, even though a a bunch of nerds did it in their free time.
I don't know man, this is not getting anyone back on retail. Pick related
>>335569846
kek
>>335566782
This guy gets it.
Anyone who disagrees isn't grounded in reality.
>>335575743
You're retarded, this guy absolutely does not get it.
>>335575789
Prove it
>>335575789
You're not grounded in reality.
You're one of those people that think Blizzard, a company mind you, has too big of an ego to release a classic server.
Keep in mind that this is the same company that has no qualm shitting on their IP by destroying the lore, casualizing their games to appeal to a broader audience and nickle and diming their customers for maximum profit.
Just how dumb are you kids?
>STOP. POSTING. ABOUT NOSTALRIUS. IN. THE. FORUMS. Our moderators have been working all week (something we dislike here at Blizzard).
>We thought ignoring you would resolve the problem, but you woundn't shut the fuck up. Yeah, I watched someone play the game. Was shit, but at least made a lot of money.
>Also, can you stop asking the same question each year at Blizzcon?
>Why not just let Nostalrius continue the way it was? It made us look bad.
>Classic servers? My team and I don't feel like working.
>We can tell an intern to remove the LFG (It would take an hour or two), if you promise to shut the fuck up about vanilla servers.
>One other note, we are still trying to bring the Nostalrius folks to justice.
>Buy the new expansion and stop whining.
>Just. Allen Brack
>>335571495
Except I did pay for it, however years later when I still wasn't done with it the provider of the product I paid for decided to not allow me to access the product I paid for so now I have to play on private servers to use the product I paid for.
>>335566782
You can literally buy server clusters within minutes now. This isn't 2004.
>>335575743
Meanwhile other retail servers are ghost servers for YEARS and their only solution is to merge them to cross servers to make them at least not feel as dead as they actually are. It would be time to start actual merges and take the free servers for versions of the game that matter
>>335576060
>ss+
this shit made me go to dalaran wow and start on a private server
im gonna be a fucking ally paladin niggers
wew lad, the blizz defense force is in full force today. I guess they took off yesterday to get plenty of rest for the clusterfuck that was this announcement
>>335566782
This amount of shilling is crazy
>>335576247
>120k
>5.5m
>g-ghost servers
You are not grounded in reality.
ITT: nostalgiafags think that vanilla will make them feel young again
I would never play on a Vanilla server again.
Burning Crusade on the other hand would be awesome.
Can someone explain to me how hosting a server for a game can in any way be illegal? Aren't they just relaying information?
Honest question, I feel like I'm missing some part where servers distribute copyrighted material, I mean if someone had told me back in the day to pull my ET servers because id didn't allow it i'd have laughed at the idiot.
>>335576383
>5.5m
[Citation needed]
>>335566782
>if a small group of people can do it properly the multi billion dollar company actiblizz can't
>>335576383
And you have no idea how the population on retail servers are. It was a big topic before they cross-servered all the dead realms so it at least doesn't feel dead
>>335576060
this desu. They literally had to hold them down and force a answer out of them. Blizzard has always had a hard time telling what their playerbase wants. They refused to recognize dota and missed out on lots of money
>>335576540
multi billion dollar companies slowly get taken over by people with no interest in games though
>>335576546
even with the merge on my server it ended up dead again about 10 months after wod came out
>>335571847
>150k people wouldn't pay $1 a month to play vanilla
lul
>>335569872
So I get to level slower and then facebook/garrison at end game? The things he listed are what we want, just not their current end game crap.
>>335576529
Because of a few legalities
One
Its not abandonware(yet) unless blizz says they fucking deleted the source code or somethin
Two
Its all reverse engineered which in some countries is illegal(copy right infringement)
>>335576383
You do understand those 5.5 million people (if it's even that high anymore) were not on the same gamemode, language, continent or timezone servers right? With all the servers left from when they had more players a whole bunch of them will have to be merged because of declining populations.
>>335576879
>Citation needed
Speaking of polls
http://www.strawpoll.me/10053520/r
>>335569903
yeah because everyone has the means to make an mmo the same scale as vanilla wow, a game that took several million dollars worth of investment and hundreds of employees several years to make
>it's too bad the wooly mammoth is extinct, it was kind of a cool animal
>WOW EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO DNA, WHY NOT JUST MAKE YOUR OWN YOU LAZY FUCKING FAGGOT
>>335566782
just playing devils advocate here, but most people aren't willing to dedicate entirely to a private server because of the risk of losing all that effort over night, ala Nos.
so yeah. its not really a good example to say "HEY THEY ARENT STICKING AROUND THESE HIGHLY UNSTABLE TOTALLY ILLEGITIMATE SERVERS HURR DURR THEY WONT STAY AROUND OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED SERVERS EITHER"
of course private servers encourage this kinda "tourism". real shocker.
>>335577003
>Its not abandonware(yet) unless blizz says they fucking deleted the source code or somethin
they claim they lost it iirc
>>335577003
>Its all reverse engineered which in some countries is illegal(copy right infringement)
reverse engineering isn't illegal on its own, at worst it's a violation of contract if you agreed not to in the terms of use. that's not illegal, it's just a violation of contract.
there's other stuff that has to come into play for it to become illegal.
>>335577107
>it's too bad the wooly mammoth is extinct, it was kind of a cool animal
>WOW EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO DNA, WHY NOT JUST MAKE YOUR OWN YOU LAZY FUCKING FAGGOT
Bravo. I've now seen an analogy worse than even the worst of food/piracy analogies.
>>335577289
it wouldn't have been complete without it
>>335577003
You also need to have game assets to run an emulated server.
>>335570203
Flawless.
Some Nost players are delusional. The content for Vanilla was never amazing. What was good about it was the forced community involvement. This is at least a step towards that with removed LFG/CRZ. They need to expand upon it with EXP reductions so you still don't burn through zones halfway through, incentives to be in a party, and maybe expand upon Timewalking to include Vanilla dungeons.
>>335577107
>DNA cloning
>Game development
And here we are on a board about video games
>>335577441
they're both things that are difficult
shut up m8 i just woke up
>>335577438
The server is pretty much pointless because every endgame content of each expansion will be skipped as usual to get to the new expansion's zone
>>335571591
>They need to devote resources to making the current game better, not towards appeasing autists that will never be happy.
>making the current game better
When will you release this is not possible?
>>335577501
>Games development is difficult
HAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT
4chan is 18+ kiddo
>>335577595
Okay so hol up lemme try this. I know this wont happen but hear me out.
>Remove flying too (but make that feather work in all zones since theres content only accessible by flying in like TBC)
>Make it like FFXIV where you are capped at that expansion's max level until you finish all of its dungeons/raids, even if its with higher levels (at least you get to see it)
>Players who assist in those lower dungeons/raids get a gold bonus for carrying
>>335577501
>game development
>difficult
>>335577740
Is this the game with Shrek?
>>335573251
wat
>>335577740
developing a game on the scale of world of warcraft is not something one person can easily do on their own, no
you forgot to throw in a >>>/r/underage by the way, buddy
>>335573276
This has to be one of the dumbest posts I've read in the past month, and that's saying a lot.
Contemplate your existence.
>>335577845
>>335577740
Obviously you don't know what development involves.
>people clearly interested in X
>Blizzard gives them Y
GOOD JOB BLIZZFUCK
>>335577847
Nope, that's 300 heroes.
YOU FAGGOTS THINK YOU WANT VANILLA
BUT YOU DON'T.
>>335577949
>March
>Christmas tree and gifts
>>335577803
The final fantasy idea sounds cool
>>335573276
Most accurate post in this shitty thread, unfortunately you're gonna get barraged by autistic retards who cant handle the simple truth, they never let go. Normal people forgot about Vanilla WoW years ago.
>b-but you're a wage cuck!
>have fun with your m-miserable life normie! ree!
yeah, nah, fuck outta here, Vanilla was shit, deal with it.
>>335577501
>game development comparably hard to Cloning
I'm a bioengineering major and fucking cloning gives me the fucking heebie jeebies in terms of difficulty
if one math equation is off by .000000000000001 of a number its game over for your project
>>335577501
So is breathing but somehow you manage to do it.
>>335578310
you didn't even play vanilla you fucking retard.
do you think you're even allowed to have an opinion on anything?
the new expansions in wow makes me so mad. i dont know how much u can ruin a game but blizzard did it. IM GETTING TRIGGERD BY IT
>>335577441
>>335577740
>>335577845
>>335578405
nice strawman and bitching about irrelevant shit. fuck off about the goddamn analogy already.
developing a shitty indie game is something a shitty indie dev can do with dedicated work over the course of a few years, developing an mmo the scale and quality of old wow is not. but keep bitching about how "game development is easy" and implying that all game development is identical since you clearly have no idea what you're fucking talking about.
Nostfags, serious question: why don't you just get the fuck over it and accept that the game and community you enjoyed at one point is gone forever? It's like you're arguing for flip phones vs. smart phones. You just look fucking retarded.
>>335578121
it's obviously an umbrella and a birthday gift
>>335578310
Why are you here? Reddit is far more suited for you.
>inb4 I was le epic trickster
>>335577740
MMOs are the hardest shit in the world to develop.
You have to to constantly worry about both the client and server.
You have to program tons of classes/functions to handle log in verification.
A huge MMO like WoW also has tons of logistical problems in how they contain such a massive world.
Game development is fucking hard m8, fuck off.
>>335570053
>So basically you want the game to be a broken mess again with no semblance of balance whatsoever.
I have a secret for you : Balance isn't fun.
>>335570715
>Yeah hunters sure were more fun and interesting when their rading contribution was tranq shot.
Lets be specific then. The classes that mattered were more fun.
Also hunters did all the pulling you wrathbaby, it was goddamn important.
>I like Vanilla
>No you don't
>Yes, new WoW is objectively bad
>No, old Wow is objectively bad
Cool thread guys.
>>335564604
Their 5 million playerbase is just fine. They're only out of touch with like 100k pirates.
>>335578982
>worse is better
this is the masochistic and backwards mindset of a manchild stuck in the past
>>335569209
Because they are separate fucking games. D2 in no way links up with the updates done to D3 and WC3 is its own damn thing. So them having their own updates works because they arent trying to play Dr Hammond and make some vanilla wow clone with frog dna.
>>335579272
>Their 8 million playerbase is just fine. They're only out of touch with like 1k pirates.
FTFY
>pristine realm
T-thanks family
>>335579289
>this is the masochistic and backwards mindset of a manchild stuck in the past
Tell me something, what the most fun you can have in pvp? Is it actually fighting people who can destroy you or is it just taking them out because they can't touch you?
Balance was never fun.
>>335578710
because people have and will continue to remake it even if blizzard won't, also asking a company for a product they have the capability to provide is hardly unreasonable
also
>at one point
i didn't sub until cata, i never got to do gates of aq, karazhan while live, or the wrath plague event, i was enjoying nost and looking forward to the aq event and the bc server they said they were going to launch afterward
I miss my old guild. No idea how it went on, they tried to raid but there was a gigantic disparity of player skill with some of us DPS hitting top numbers on our server, and others were literally 60 year old guys that couldn't react fast enough to get out of the fire.
>>335579231
i don't think it's unreasonable to say "i liked x, i wish they would bring it back"
it's not as though this has never happened before, basically the exact same happened with swg with the cu
It turned into such a fucking shitshow. Anime-loving faggot was supposed to make the fucking video on friday and "deliver" the petition on monday.
>uhh nvm ill make a video on monday and upload it to the fucboipoppin channel!
>fucboi here! sorry guys im too busy comforting my gf after she got banned for showing cunt on stream, so yea you can go fuck yourself with your video and petition shit for now
Now we have an official blizz response and that video and petition shit is fucking useless. Fucking fucbois.
Blizzard is caving? huh. Did not expect that.
>>335564495
honestly, this is exactly what i suggested repeatedly over the past few weeks
create new realms with some of the shit people don't like removed as a testbed, if people like it go from there
imo this might actually fix modern wow depending on how it's handled, i might have to resub
>>335579864
They caved in but intentionally gave the fans the wrong things so they can go "SEE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THIS I TOLD YOU SO"
>>335578710
The same argument can be applied to retail WoW versus newer MMOs.
>>335579864
>caving
No, they don't
No one will play on this "stinstine" realms because game designed around clearing as fast as possible everything now
And fterthis server tanks, blizzard will use it to declare that people actually never wanted vanilla servers
>>335579463
you're asking me, what's more fun: imbalance or imbalance? and i would obviously say neither
i dont want any of this shit, or to play a 10 year old version of the game. i just want to servers too feel live again, like you go into town and there are 100s of people there. and also for them to come up with a lategame that isnt just PVP or Raiding. im not sure how they would do this but thats their job. open world stuff with decent rewards, but not grinding for fucking apexis crystals and no garrisons where everybody just hides.
>>335566782
Meanwhile a minimalistic team of 13 people created a 800 000 people vanilla server.
>>335580114
how long did it take and how much did it cost? that's the question no one seems to be asking
>>335570543
yea, for example a fucking TCG. What a dumb idea.
DIABLO AGAIN?! Seriously?
HotS? Yea a fucking MOBA BRO?
AND BIGGEST OF ALL, TITAN! FUCKING TITA-oh what, that turned into Overwatch? oh...you're dumb anon
You know come to think of it my only issues with Legion are LFG/CRZ still existing. This might be a good idea. That and the class order hall 'not garrison' board but I can live with that if its just a limited board.
>>335580175
It took the Nostalrius team 5 years to create their server.
>>335579996
What logical reason makes you think that they're doing it to shoo people away?
It makes perfect sense that it would be difficult to integrate into Blizzard's current ecosystem.
It's much different when the community spends a few years creating a ragtag emulator using assets from an old retail disc.
I still have my set of 4 CDs with vanilla from 2004. Most part of the game is on there. They can't tell me it's too much effort to add some raids
>>335577107
>vanilla elephant
These threads are fucking hilarious. Thank you Nostfags for being so buttblasted. This is quality entertainment.
>>335580983
i think you misread, vanilla is the wooly mammoth, modern wow is the elephant because it has no horns
>>335570363
>Frost is actually fun for once.
Did they un-neuter 2h? Because Obliterate is literally the only fun thing about that class.
>implying id play vanilla
>implying id play retail with the convenience taken away
lol no
>>335581405
The literally removed 2h Frost lol. It's DW only in Legion.
>>335581639
>implying you = everyone
lol no
>>335564495
>We explored options for developing classic servers and none could be executed without great difficulty. If we could push a button and all of this would be created, we would. However, there are tremendous operational challenges to integrating classic servers, not to mention the ongoing support of multiple live versions for every aspect of WoW.
Try reading the whole article next time. They're saying classic servers aren't viable, but servers with certain contentious features disabled might be so they may implement them in the future.
>>335582098
Just because they tell you its impossible/hard doesn't mean its true.
>>335582098
yeah and no sane person would want "pristine realm" because it's literally changes nothing
>waa take all the shit out that makes the game easy and boring
>ok fine we will
>on second thought we dont want this
turns out people only cared about playing for free after all
>>335582253
Can you give me a logical reason why they would lie about it?
I haven't heard a single good argument for it.
Most people can come up with is irrational bullshit like 'Blizzard's ego is too big!'
How come this is such a big deal? I've never played WoW but if there's demand for it why not do it?
Runescape had demand for a classic version everyone played and they gave it to them, it's just as popular as the main game.
I would level on a pristine realm. Being able to chill with people that I can actually interact and trade with would be a huge step up. Tired of meeting people in the world, asking them if they want to trade regents only to get the error that they are in another realm. Just show me the people that matter.
>>335582608
the amount of people willing to pay for it isnt high enough to make them a decent profit
>>335582508
This isn't what people asked for at all, stop strawmanning you fucking imbecile.
>>335582426
group finder and cross realm are major issues people have for "muh server community" and one of the reason they look at vanilla and want that back.
It would also be relatively no cost for Blizzard to set up they just have to disable those features and then use it as an experiment to show whether people really do like WoW without that stuff.
>>335582683
Runescape has a small glimmer of the players WoW has/had and it did just fine.
>>335582706
ok its what everybody asked for except nostalgiafags/manchildren who want to literally take a time machine to when they were children because their lives suck
>>335582253
but why would they lie to us?
>>335582683
>the amount of people willing to pay for it isnt high enough to make them a decent profit
If people can make legacy servers for FREE why can;'t they profit
>>335582570
How do you people not get it? If you made Vanilla realms and people flooded them that would be ammo that players, websites, etc. could use to directly bash modern WoW. That would distinctly show how much people hate it even more so now than numbers are being hidden. A company would never risk admitting their new product was a huge failure by dividing the community.
Plus you guys didn't buy the "You think you do." thing despite it being true. The vast majority of people on Nost only played a few months to a year tops before they got tired of it because they have seen it all. That would mean dedicating future realms to each individual expansion because nobody is going to play Vanilla that long in this modern age.
>>335582683
Do you work at Blizzard?
I can't think of any other reason that you'd have enough information to make that statement without guessing.
>>335582790
>Ad hom
For fuck sake if you can't argue without resorting to being a babbling faggot just shut up and don't post.
>yfw blizzard agrees not to take nostalrius to court if they hand over all account data to blizzard
>blizzard proceeds to permaban every email account that has links to retail from the game
>>335582771
You forgot about part where games literally designed around running 5men as fast as possible to be prepared to the raids on the first week, and forget them after that
There already no reason to use both lfr and lfg in the game
>>335582849
If you got fan made quality servers from Blizzard people would be complaining all the time
>>335566782
Don't forget the real reason people play private servers.It's free.
>>335582853
because if there was a way to make money, even 25 percent of what wow makes theyd fucking do it. its not hard to understand their shareholders would rip them a new arsehole for not taking free money. theyre a fucking business they ONLY care about making more money
>>335566782
well shilled my friend.
>>335582964
Yeah because Warlords is a really "professional" quality expansion right?
>>335582959
That is vanilla. Except people 10 manned the 5 man instances to complete them faster as that was an option.
Gear was practically meaningless.
>>335582850
People have always bashed modern WoW. Your argument has fallen apart right from the start.
>>335582834
isnt this shit free?
>>335583081
Right, which is exactly why their arguments for not creating a vanilla experience check out. The hungering jews at Blizzards will do anything for a buck.
>>335583125
Those are random people on little obscure websites and are usually [REDACTED] on the major forums. Almost nobody in the mainstream knows that WoW is dying.
>>335583160
No.
Blizz's response was shit as expected and I'm ashamed to know that we have some autistic weeb with shit taste (Mark Kern) defending Nost, he's a shit dev and got fired because of it, yet he's the only named dev from old Blizz you can find doing anything on the internet, the guy's an attention whore
>>335571741
>he forgot flying
>>335571761
this
>>335577192
The Nos character data is still out there, and there are private servers that are offering free transfers from Nos.
Kronos unforunately isn't one of them.
>>335583113
Yes, that doesn't mean it is good.
>>335583219
but they cant just say its because we want more shekels. the art of jewing is to never admit youre a jew. the community would get even more butthurt if they just said youre not going to give us enough money so fuck off
>>335572765
As some one who started mid TBC and decided to take a shot at Nost I can confirm your full of shit.
The grind in vanilla was long but there was actually shit to explore which made it fun.
https://www.strawpoll.me/10052507/r
according to /r/wowservers its almost a 50/50 split for pristine
guess its what some of you want afterall)))))))))
>>335582850
>The vast majority of people on Nost only played a few months to a year tops before they got tired of it because they have seen it all
And that's why it was at its highest active numbers ever in the weeks before it shut down right?
>>335583229
>Almost nobody in the mainstream knows that WoW is dying.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/08/05/world-of-warcraft-has-lost-44-of-its-subscribers-in-six-months-but-thats-okay/
Just stop. Your argument fell apart from your opening statement and you continue to make yourself look like a god damn retard.
WoW was a terrible idea in general at least for the warcraft universe.
They should just make a warcraft 4 already.
>>335582570
blizzards ego is too big is far more reasonable then a multi milliard company that doesn't have the resources to establish a server of a game they already hosted.
how gullible can you people be?
big companies will never tell you the truth because they have a public face they have to keep.
>>335580395
I think the developers and anyone that's been working on WoW for the last 8 years.. really really really doesn't want to see a direct official comparison between Vanilla WoW and Retail WoW.
They will do anything to avoid a direct comparison arising, because if it turns out that Vanilla WoW actually holds more subscribers, or data leaks out that more people play Vanilla....
Then that's all of their jobs gone, The CEO is going to be asking, wait what the fuck have I been paying you 60-100k a year to do? To Lose subs?
>>335583446
>Thinks NeoBlizz can do War4 justice
>>335583446
No one wants to play RTS anymore mobas killed them. And there's no chance blizz would make another after Starcraft 2 failed
>>335583404
Then you explain why they aren't doing it. Difficulty is not the answer.
>>335582834
One thing you can be certain of is that Blizzard has some well-educated boys doing the projected earnings and losses on projects like this. Their conclusion, based on Blizzard policy, must be that Legacy servers would contrast the retail version so heavily that it would cannibalize some of the player base.
A lot of the later additions to the game is dumbing it down and instancing players away from each other, while not releasing subscriber numbers, to keep alive the illusion for as long as possible that you're playing in a massive world filled with people.
The problem with Legacy servers is that there is no way to hunt the "whales" for cash shops on those. And Blizzard isn't interested in just making the servers profitable. They want as many people on their servers to buy stupid useless shit in their cash shops as possible - obviously.
So either you should build up a claim as to why NONE of the players on Legacy would be coming from retail, or you should drop that point. Blizzard isn't being stupid. They are just doing what makes the most money for them.
>>335564495
>Blizzard launches Pristine server
>Pristine server isn't popular
>"See, you didn't want it after all"
>>335583460
Another argument that falls to the floor right out of the gate.
Are you guys seriously this retarded?
>>335583568
But it didn't. Even Diablo 3 is not a bad game, it's just different from previous game and more like WoW singleplayer mode, being based around gear stats.
>>335574361
You seem confused. You aren't getting old world or level caps. Just standard servers that are completely self contained. That means no cross realm buggery or dungeon finders. That's it.
>>335583568
We told them man,
We said Blizzard listen, This is a competitive game. The Pro players are everything. You HAVE to allow LAN. You HAVE to offer a single game.
Most of the Pro players of BroodWar played stracraft for the first time as some bootleg copy over a dodgy korean internet cafe's LAN.
You CAN'T split the biggest E-sport sequel ever into 3 seperate games.. That's fucking the community up before it even starts. You can't disable LAN.
But they went ahead and did it despite what we yelled at them.
Mobas didn't kill RTS.
Fucking Blizzard killed RTS, just like they killed MMOs.
Anything that greedy fucking fat fingered kottifck touches basically dies.
>>335583495
Blizzard is a company that wants to make as much money as possible.
>>335569790
>Blood Strike from a Rune cost to a Runic Power cost
What am I meant to cast when all my runes are on cool down then? Blood strike or death coil? Don't tell me they're removing death coil from blood's rotation.
>>335583754
it would be true
everyone crying for vanilla servers said it was all about the community
removing lfg, cross realms etc it makes adds back that community feel
if you dont like it, you dont actually like wow and youre just a bandwagoner
>>335583769
keep sucking on that corporate cock shlomo.
i doesn't have to be their ego but if you honestly believe they don't have the resources you must be literally mentally challenged.
>>335583754
Yeah we didn't blizzard. Ahh well you tried.
Let's all go back to Kronos lmao.
>>335583648
Blizzard's response makes perfect sense.
>>335583754
noooooooooooooooooo
>>335583754
It will be popular for the hardcore PVP crowd. You never have to fight literally whos every match.
>>335574361
Thats exactly what they wont do dumbass.
>>335583792
Sounds pretty good to me. I'd resub today rather than waiting for Legion if this was announced.
>>335583662
>They are just doing what makes the most money for them.
By that you mean losing 70% of their subscribers over the course of a year?
>pristine realm
Literally fucking perfect.
Fuck you nostalgia faggots. Vanilla was good, but let it go. The only people I can imagine who want to play that shit were the ones who never played it originally.
>>335583882
>it doesn't have to be their ego
Nice backpedal
>you must be literally mentally challenged
Nice projection
>>335583868
No they want the content. They wanna slap boars for hours. Not even joking.
>>335583662
>So either you should build up a claim as to why NONE of the players on Legacy would be coming from retail
I have no doubt a chunk of players would migrate but the "whales" you talk about certainly would not. Those kinds of people do not care about Vanilla whatsoever.
A lot of the lost profits you talk about could also be offset by requiring people to buy the latest expansion to play on Vanilla realms as well, which I think is a bit scummy but I'd imagine Blizzard would be a lot more comfortable with a model like that. It would help maintain the illusion that retail WoW is still going strong by lumping the legacy numbers in with it.
>>335583858
They are removing Death Coil from Blood and Frost completely.
>>335564495
The only way to capture it is with a new and original MMO.
>>335584051
nice buzzwords
>>335583868
It doesn't change that the content is dogshit and leveling is very fast and easy. Even without cross realms, it's still pretty much a single player experience.
>>335583989
I miss talent trees and a slower leveling process to experience more quests at the intended levels. A lot of the homogenized skills between classes make each one much less distinct. Speaking as a rogue, I miss throwing knives and not having a heal.
Other than that though, the game is mechanically much better. That's hard to argue.
>>335584143
Thanks, they perfectly describe your bullshit posts.
Buzzword in
Buzzword out
>>335583845
Blizzard is made up of individual people.
You'd be nuts to think they all act as a cohesive whole at all times.
They have their own agendas.
I gaurentee you, the lead developer is sweating BULLETS every time they talk about Nostalrius and this whole population thing.
This guy is probably paid hunderds of thousands of dollars to develop a game and bring in subscribers.
He has NOT been doing his job at all. He has been failing. His boss doesn't understand why he has been failing, and frankly doesn't care.
Now the world is basically shouting at his boss. Your lead developer that you hired to bring more subs, is doing a SHITTER job than if you just left the game un-touched for the last 8 years.
He literally robbed you for almost a million dollars, and worse; He also dropped your profitability.
The lead developers (Who have some measure of power) are instructing anyone underneath them to AVOID a direct official comparison being made between WoW and Vanilla.. Their jobs, and careers depend on it.
Thus we have "Pristine" servers. An attempt to shift the spotlight off the comparison between retail and WoW, without actually developing an official comparison.
>>335579381
>Their 3.5 million playerbase is just fine. They're only out of touch with like 200k pirates.
FTFY
>>335575441
Blizzcucks are retarded.
They said the petition would never reach 120 k and reached 300k
They said blizzard would ignore it and they responded. These people are legit autismos
>>335584207
>turn off exp acceleration
>increase exp back to what it was originally before expansion launches where they shrunk it
>content and raids are objectively better post vanilla
weak bait
>>335584275
3 posts of shit talking while you have 0 arguments.
how much do they pay you for such low level shilling?
>>335584226
The class thing is something I sort of forgot about.
It feels like instead of balancing the classes properly, they just gave everyone the same abilities.
Everyone being able to heal is just annoying.
>>335584478
Ironic post of the day
>>335583868
They would need to re-tune the entire world, all expansions to be level-relevant.
I want to be challenged at level 1, skilfully pulling those bandits behind the abbey.
I want to be challenged at level 60. Doing a 40 man-MC BEFORE I do BC quests.
I want to be challenged at 70. Doing black temple before I do wotlk starting quests.
I want to be challenged at 80, 90 and 100.
Basically Take the content of EVERY WOW expansion as it was played during it's release...
Then string them together so that progression was necessary including at least some of the raid tiers.
Then Blizzard, if you can do all that. Fix the talent system back to tree-style-Wotlk.
THEN, I will sub. I will sub for years. I will play this game basically for the next decade.
>>335579864
they're not caving you retard, this pristine realm idea is still on paper and nowhere near confirmed to be implemented yet
and it's still not what you nostfags want because it's not vanilla
>>335584549
That's literally exactly what they did. Just look at melee specs interrupts, they're all identical except for the name
>>335571591
>a time before you became the worthless waste of space you are today
You mean a time when they could hide their inherent worthlessness behind the façade of 'just being a kid'. They were always worthless.
>>335583868
We would still have flying mounts, shitty garrison missions and phased zones. Just removing LFG and Crossrealms and stopping people from making the already easy leveling into an even less time-consuming cakewalk wouldn't be enough.
>>335584608
don't reply to me or my posts ever again
if you don't want to put anything above the lowest level of effort into your baiting posts.
>>335584610
go play ffxiv if you want to be locked behind a story
>>335571591
>They need to devote resources to making the current game better
The current game is so rotten to the core it'd be better to throw the game away and make WoW 2.0
>People seriously falling for it when Blizzard says hosting an earlier version of their game is impossible/difficult and that they 'lost the data' that conveniently everyone else has
I bet you fell for the not enough resources meme too.
So do we agree that a server that does the following might be cool and really can't hurt to try?
>removal of cross realm, dungeon finder, and raid finder
>slower experience rates, with expansion leveling being closer to what it originally was
>removal of WoW Tokens
>tone back on gold rewards for quests and drops from monsters, maybe something like 60% of what it is now across the board
>>335584317
Source: my ass
>>335584752
>couldn't come up with a single argument to refute my first post
>goes on some tangent trying to change the subject after getting BTFO
>don't reply to me
>you're just trolling me
You're sad, kid.
>>335583967
Same. Unfortunately I fear they might kick this can down the road until after Legion releases. I hope I'm wrong.
>>335584973
Rekd
>>335571591
>They need to devote resources to making the current game better
>2 updates a year
>>335584947
>Garrisons still there
>Shipyards still there
>Tanaan still there
>HFC still the only piece of relevant content after 15 months
Nah. Fuck WoD.
>>335584947
yeah I'd play on it
>>335571643
>he thinks the current game is in such dire straits that it actively needs '''saving'''
It is amazing how quickly 4chan will start to think of their own memes as reality. WoW is still the most popular, and mechanically polished, MMO by a country mile and that isn't going to change any time soon.
>>335569872
Pristine Server isn't what we're looking for. We're looking for vanilla WoW. vanilla difficulty, vanilla feature-set.
>>335584947
I'd like to see it where EXP was cut 50% but boosted 5-10% per party member to encourage full zone completion. Then make it like FFXIV where you are locked at the level cap for each expansion until you complete its dungeons. Finally go through much of the world and make more mobs into elites that there were before, and focus on making more quests as party required.
>>335585087
Guy, this pristine thing isn't happening before Legion. Were basically going to just rush through WoD on all new characters from now on and not even bother with the garrison once Legion hits.
>>335584947
its like everyone forget that what made vanilla leveling is the fact that 2 mobs could wreck your shit and that was what forced people to group.
who would want to grind 100 levels while you can one shot everything and there is no reason to group with anyone or any sense of danger at all?
>>335584317
Blizzard doesn't care, they're currently taking the best business decision which is not hosting a classic server, but offering essentially a neo server with LFD and cross realm removed.
>>335585262
>we
Speak for yourself. Thats a very small amount of people asking for specifically that. I just want more forced community interaction and this is a step in the right direction. I HATE Vanilla's content and UI/Interface.
>>335584956
Hypothetically.
I am Kotick, a ruthless business man that has a history of aggravated firings and care about profit more than anything.
I bought Blizzard basically BECAUSE of WoW. Plain and simple. If WoW didn't exist, I wouldn't have given 2 shits about that small electronic chess game making company.
When I bought WoW I drew up graphs on white boards with lines showing constant yearly exploitaiton extended deep into the future.
This didn't happen and the line went south.
Why did it go south.
Well the internet is telling me it went south because the game I bought was BETTER than the game I paid some guy millions over the last 8 years to improve.
Fuck that guy. I will fire him.
That guy has got every reason to PROVE that retail is better than Vanilla. Starting with AVOIDANCE of any direct comparison.
>>335585287
This is a very good point. If they globally upped the aggro ranges and damage something like 20-30% that could have a very good feel to it I think.
The issue is that certain parts of BC, WotLK, and Pandaland don't really need tuning like that.
They made their actishit petshop casual shitfest bed, now they have to lie in it.
I hope the game dies.
>>335585132
The only people still playing right now are the addicts and the folks who literally live their life inside the game. Not the kind you'd normally want to associate with. They don't care about the state of the game in any capacity. As long as they can turn tricks in Goldshire, it's all good.
>>335585378
You're not gonna get that. Whats gonna happen on these realms is people are just going to solo out in the game world instead of dungeons until max level. You might think that would encourage grouping, but with how damage scaling works now you can easily steamroll elites/party quests with only green gear now. They do it in whites on Ironman challenges. The only thing this will significantly change is max level, but even then the only dungeons people will be doing are CMs which already have to be premade.
>>335583662
>The problem with Legacy servers is that there is no way to hunt the "whales" for cash shops on those. And Blizzard isn't interested in just making the servers profitable.
except blizz took the whale hunt out of diablo 3 after it became obvious it was damaging to the ip and their brand. theres delusional thinking on their part that the movie and legion will save wow. it wont. there will be a new song and dance after legion craters in october, when the bean counters realize they need to save the brand from celestalons retard brigade.
>>335585318
Again you're assuming Blizzard is one person with a unified mind set.
WoW subs have been declining pretty steadily for the last few years.
Is the best buisness decision more of the same? Or to listen to the massive wave of internet chatter about your game needing to go back to what it was?
I mean if this was your buisness, would you:
A) Keep paying the developers, and keep losing subs until the inevitable point of 0 profitability?
or
B) Be actively taking in feedback from the majority of the internet telling you this needs to be done to improve your game/buisnes.
>>335571591
This. Everyone replying to your post proves your point, you can't appease these people. Even if legion or whatever the fuck next expansion was better than classic in every way and made WoW great again these fuckers would still be here complaining
>>335585673
Classic servers is never an answer, it just means being stuck in a rot and will die out sooner or later
>>335585702
Naw, It's a simple matter of strengths and weaknesses man.
WoW's strength was it's community. That's it.
It had shit quests, it had shit PVP, it had shit everything.
It STILL has shit everything, despite all the 'updates' and 'improvements'.
"Oh the raid bosses are much more complex, and classes are much more balanced now?"...
True. But that's not WoW's strength. Other games have MUCH more complex bosses than WoW will EVER have.
WoW's only strength was community. It had a lot of it in Vanilla.
The developers slowly swapped out community trying to compete with PVP balance, with "Difficult raid boses" and all this other junk.
They did a good job, but they lost the one thing that actually made WoW stand out. That's community.
>>335585808
they stopped reporting subs and let players buy gold. theyve merged servers several times over and theyre still empty. the rot is already in retail.
>>335585378
This. I feel like what a pristine server offers is more in spirit with what a majority of us want than just slapping some old code down and calling it a day. Unfortunately many are choosing to see it as a slap in the face rather than an opportunity.
>>335585405
>I am Kotick, a ruthless business man that has a history of aggravated firings and care about profit more than anything.
>(((ruthless business man)))
>>335585673
The best business decision is what they're currently doing.
There is a whole lot of chatter going on because the media picked up on the Nost closure, not because there is a sudden demand for Blizzard run classic servers.
By Nost's own numbers, a classic server is a drive-by for people that want to try re-living their nostalgia. The players don't stick. They're going to stick even less when Blizzard monetizes a classic server and they know it.
It's not time for a classic server right now because it's not the best for the bottom line.
>>335586051
It's not, all the shitters will be back in legion anyway, even your posterboys kungen and sodapoppin. All except you
>>335571854
Oh fuck off. This point is so overplayed it's getting ridiculous. I cleared all of vanilla's dungeons back before burning crusade was even a thing, and the most you would get, if you weren't already playing with friends you knew in real life, was:
>looking for tank/healer for x dungeon
>hi
>thanks :)
>nice going
>gratz (if they gained a level during the run)
Raids were a different experience but, even then, the entire conversation was centred around number crunching and autistic screeching to get to x position in y number of seconds (wow so social right?). Not to mention the utterly cringe worthy micro dramas that developed.
The only time people when people really spoke to each other was in socially oriented guilds, which you can still find in the game to this day on well populated servers.
General chat used to be lively, sure, but that's the only thing that's really missing. And even that isn't really missing because, at least on the server I am on, people chat all the time in garrisons.
>>335585808
But the retail servers look like they're going to die out sooner rather than later.
The proper solution would be to get off their ass. Double the development team. Listen to the community, set up actual polls for development decisions and directions.
Slowly build an expansion that fixes everything. That makes the game easy to pick up, but extremely hard to finish or complete.
But that requires investment and a massive financial risk.
Big companies don't take massive financial risks, they just act as stewards trying to self-preserve and milk the dividends.
Thus, we suggest: Just release a Classic Server. It will buy time for them to actually make a decision on where they want to go with WoW.
AND
as an added bonus for once it's what a huge community actually wants.
>>335586256
I'm sure you're right this time
>>335586256
Expansions are not going to fix an already broken game and certainly not Activision.
>>335586181
You're not wrong, but you're criticizing the wrong reason.
QOL, EOU and time reduction / efficiency changes are what kill MMOs. The forced social aspect just meant that you were spending more time looking for content. In a way, just finding a group felt as rewarding as getting shiny new loot. It's all about pacing. Brains get dopamine resistant when exposed to the same thing over and over.
>>335585961
>and classes are much more balanced now?"
They really aren't. Only 16 Survival Hunters have ever been parsed on Mythic Archimonde, and 4 of the clearly bought carries. Classes are just as imbalanced now as they were in Vanilla, there are just as many dead specs in WoD as there ever was.
>>335573549
>soadapoppin
I think I just threw up a bit in my mouth.
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