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LEGACY SERVERS ARE HAPPENING
>>335562431
source?
>>335562431
inb4 shitstorm
>>335562469
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743584206?page=1#1
dance thread
Pristine Servers are not the same as legacy servers.
>So what can we do to capture that nostalgia of when WoW first launched? Over the years we have talked about a “pristine realm”. In essence that would turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder.
Already can see it
>No one will touch this garbage
>blizzard will declare thatno one wants legacy servers
>>335562584
>we've recently been in contact with some of the folks who operated Nostalrius
i.e. Blizzard is looking into hiring them and taking their version as their own to make Vanilla servers with a paid sub. Everyone's happy besides the absolute poorest.
>it's another neo /v/ redditor wow thread
>>335562691
I would be okay with that, didn't HL2 have the same situation? I only remember Gaben seriously going after that one leaker.
wont happen for a year after legion launches
>>335562691
you really have no idea how to interpret press releases do you
>dat feel when literally the only way to get Blizzard to act these days is with bad PR
That shit makes me so sad how out of touch with reality they are. It's also only happening because mass media facilitates it.
>>335562653
What is wrong with disabling that stuff? Isn't that what people want? I'm honestly confused as to the difference between a pristine realm and legacy server
>>335562745
yeah, they found the leaker, offered him a job then arrested him when he got off the fucking airplane
>>335562431
No, they're not. You can't read.
They just listed the reasons anyone with a brain already knew about as to why it's not economical for them to offer legacy servers.
The "pristine server" they shared in this post is not the same as an official legacy server. It's just live with all leveling acceleration turned off and no access to cross-realm zones or group finder. Have fun doing the same WoD and Legion content.
>>335562431
That confirms nothing.
It just says that they would if there was an easy solution. They obviously don't care enough to put the effort in and are just saying this to save face.
What is interesting is them getting in contact with the Nostalrius staff. If that leads to them hiring them to do the work and maintenance for them, it could easily happen.
And anyway, they have a brand new expansion coming out in mere months so I don't expect another word about this until things have died down after its release.
>>335562431
>ETA 2020
You won't be getting your Nostalrius 2.0 anytime soon.
>>335562691
>blizzard is looking into hiring them
Why would they? You know that takes money right? The amount of people who would resub for legacy servers can be cancelled our by occasionally making a cash shop mount, and that doesn't cost the hiring of a new team or the headache of setting up new servers
You are fucking naive. Pristine servers are all you'll get
>>335562860
The game has changed a huge amount since the original retail version. the Cataclysm expansion for one changed the whole vanilla azeroth, remaking the zones and replacing alot of the quests
>>335562860
Pristine realm implies you'll still be playing and paying for the latest retail patch
Legacy would be being able to play old patches, which of course don't have all that bullshit tacked on.
>>335562860
>turn off all leveling acceleration methods that don't matter when you're level 100
>turn off group finder to add travel time for some arbitrary "it took more time so it was better!" reason
>turn off cross-realm tech, drastically reducing the player pool from which you can form a group for "muh server rep"
Now go do all the same content as the live, non-"pristine" server. Have fun.
>>335562809
>>335562934
That's literally what happens everytime. It's the best PR move.
Hackers get hired by Google/Apple/Microsoft/Facebook not because they're harmful but because you should keep your enemies close.
>>335562860
Pristine is all the modern content. As in, you would be playing the most recent expansions, just without group finder and all that shit.
Legacy is the level 60 content (40 man raids, actual hard game)
the more you know
>>335563001
Fucking moot got hired by google. lol.
>>335562878
That's because he was making threats about releasing it and shit, and Gaben don't play.
>>335562431
>running a legacy server would be a huge operational challenge
>literally just acknowledged that a "pirate" server already did it for free
>>335563051
Moot only got lucky, his success is the same type of success Pewdiepie has, a project happened to hit mainstream and got huge.
>>335562431
All that happened here is them covering their asses. This will never pan out into anything significant
>>335562860
>Isn't that what people want?
Fucking no.
It would still have the shitty dungeons and raids, it would still have the Facebook games, it would still have no population, it would still have the nerfed content, the dumbed-down builds, the "modern" stuff.
The only thing it wouldn't have are all the incentives Blizzard introduced to try and keep people paying money as the game got worse and worse. All that's left would just be the game, which is worse than it was.
Well that's a step in the right direction. I'm surprised Blizzard even acknowledged Nost considering the radio silence.
>>335562994
You have the slightest of points with the first two, but that last one is fucking horseshit and you know it.
>>335563051
Moot.... the hacker known as 4chan?
>>335563001
PR consists of bullshitting to the public. The development team behind the PR doesn't want anything to do with vanilla servers at all. If they did they could do so, and they could do it much easier than some outside hackers trying to reverse engineer and piece together how the game works. Whenever a company like blizzard says "we cant do this" or "we dont have the resources" it means they dont want to do it. Of course they could, they're one of the richest companies in gaming. But they decide what they do, not the public
it will fail soo haard
>>335562431
Cucks celebrating for ability pay for 4 years old content, while private servers offered it for free.
We truly live in enlightened times :D
>>335562884
like anon above said, this is all about combating horrible PR they're getting over this and they don't want that as new expansion launch is approaching.
You only have to defend trademarks, and then it's only because trademarks were originally created to reduce consumer confusion. The Coca Cola trademark exists so that you, the buyer, know that a can that has a certain look contains a particular product. Copyrights are yours no matter what.
I don't know if this is an issue that Blizzard people are ignorant of the law, or if they're relying on others' ignorance to give them a plausible-sounding excuse for what they've done.
>>335562881
>listed the reasons anyone with a brain already knew about as to why it's not economical for them to offer legacy servers.
Not really. They basically said, "we don't want to because it's hard". Which has pretty much always been their excuse. It's more about pride and "business" than profit.
You know what? I'd try those pristine realms.
The biggest problem I have has always been the group finder. Say what you will about standing in IF spamming the chat for groups, it did fucking develop a stronger sense of community with your players.
I'd still be annoyed about going through the Cata zones though.
If they ever did create those legacy servers, wouldn't you need a separate WoW client to join them?
I guess they don't want to maintain two different wow clients
>>335563341
Everything can be done server-side nowadays.
>>335562431
it says literally the opposite. legacy are not coming, and pristine is a stupid idea.
not happening
by the way, how fuckin dumb u must be to dont back up stuff for previous expansions, or they are just lying
>>335562431
>hurr durr we care for you so much but we don't want to put work or money into this, if it could just magically work for free we'd do it (lies, considering that is what nostal was)
>maybe if we make a neutered WoD you'll like it? that only takes one day of work for us to make so its possible...
>>335562431
Step in the right direction. Still not Vanilla though. But it does revert some of the most retarded changes to the game. They should also remove garrisons/class halls/other bullshit completely.
But... here's what gets me. The guy that said this is the same guy that said "You think you do, but you don't"...
So he went from that... to...
"I work at blizzard because my love of classic WoW".... very very quickly...
That isn't legacy or anything close to what Nost was or what others wanted. It's going to be what we have now minus improvements. All the things listed they thought of removing are things any player can ignore or throttle, except cross realm shit.
You can turn off exp gains and complete zones at your own pace, you can ignore group finder, you can not use heirlooms, and you can find plenty of people who could do all that by using the forums. Regardless that doesn't bring back "the magic" people felt with classic WoW.
I'm not siding with either side here, but taking down a nonprofit private server that gave people what they wanted after Blizzard refused legacy servers for so long is stupid on their part, however, not everyone claiming legacy servers will be a good thing even bothered with the private server in the first place. And if something of the sprt does come to pass by Blizzard, most will realize that classic isn't as fun as one remembers, especially when a majority of those they played with then no longer play WoW.
>>335562431
>pristine realms
Is this nigga serious?
>>335562691
That would actually be a win win
>existing dev team already familiar with their own codebase
all that would realistically be done is integration into Blizz's own accounts/managment backend, the Nost devs basically got everything else on track before the shutdown
Also find it curious that they claim to have pursued the possiblity of licensing private shards to be run, but legal says they can't? Couldn't they just add something to the license agreement that says you can host and/or connect to external servers but you'll get no official support and etc. etc.? Didn't UO or EQ or some other MMO let you do this?
Is copyright law really this fucked to where Blizz can't even let people do something that is realistically no concern of theirs (hosts are paying their own expenses or it's community funded, they do all their own dev and reverse engineering which is complicated and technical as FUCK) even if they wanted to?
>Doing something a private server was doing for free would cost too much.
Blizzard couldn't stop being jewish if each of their individual lives immediately depended on it.
>>335562431
>Over the years we have talked about a “pristine realm”. In essence that would turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder.
That's cool, but not nearly enough. What this would still need is more difficulty, group quests and other things. But it's a start.
>>335563110
I like the hell out of this gif
>>335563134
lol except pewdiepie's idea was original at the time. He was one of the first people to do let's plays.
Moot literally copied a japanese website
>>335563382
But what about all the stuff that cataclysm changed for example?
>>335563423
>Also find it curious that they claim to have pursued the possiblity of licensing private shards to be run, but legal says they can't? Couldn't they just add something to the license agreement that says you can host and/or connect to external servers but you'll get no official support and etc. etc.? Didn't UO or EQ or some other MMO let you do this?
Yeah, but that would mean Blizzard doing shit for free.
>>335563382
all the graphics for the maps are obviously on your computer
but I think the wow client still has the old pre-cata world included in it anyway
>>335563423
>s copyright law really this fucked to where Blizz can't even let people do something that is realistically no concern of theirs
No, Blizzard is making up bullshit excuses. There is absolutely nothing stopping them licensing a Vanilla server as an official non-profit project except for the fact that Blizzard wants money.
>>335563162
It's not horseshit. People like to pretend that reputations would matter if CRZ were done away with, but they don't understand that they started to die with gear score.
In WoD, right now, you can see in group finder who has completed the hardest difficulty of proving grounds. PUG leaders will still take whoever has the highest ilvl, even if they only have silver.
If you're in a guild, your rep doesn't matter.
If you're in a world first race guild, you still have a rep now anyway.
The only negative thing CRZ does is allow max level characters who don't know how to pvp at their own gear level to oneshot people who are still leveling. And, just like leveling acceleration, that doesn't matter when you hit max level. You just kill those Brazilian idiots.
>>335562431
>Assuaging yet non-committal company statement with vaguely positive potentiality towards [thing]
>Fanboys with reading comprehension skills of an illiterate pre-schooler thinks this means "[THING] IS HAPPENING" and starts bait-/hype-/shitposting
This is why we can't have nice things.
>>335563406
Shills constantly lie to save face and protect pride
More at elevenI really hope all the shit making fun of him throughout this debacle made him cry.
I have never heard of this idea of "Pristine servers".
What do you guys think about that?
Would it work out they way its intended?
I think shutting down Dungeon Finder etc. is a pretty big deal, but I'm not convinced that it would be as good, because you still get epics thrown at you all the time.
>>335563465
lets play were old as shit
pewdiepie got popular because he makes girls wet
>However, there are tremendous operational challenges to integrating classic servers, not to mention the ongoing support of multiple live versions for every aspect of WoW.
>lol except these guys who ran Nostalrius out of their garage for free
>>335563528
If OPs were drawn out no one would reply.
So thanks for the (you)
>>335563565
Its absolutely worthless.
>>335563443
>group quest
The one thing I enjoyed most about playing on Nost was actually needing help and to help others with things that weren't tied to repetitive dungeon runs. Going zone to zone with people and doing the entire zone together and moving on to the next, rather than being so fucking powerful that you could solo everything because it had been nerfed to shit.
>>335563565
No, because it's still just current WoW and that's not what people clamoring for VANILLA WoW want.
>>335562691
Why the fuck would Blizzard hire Nostalrius people? 90%+ of the work on Nostalrius actually wasn't of their doing but publicly available open source emulation. On most accounts, like questing and the world (mob/object placement/abilities and such like), it was virtually unaltered.
I'm not saying Nostalrius developers did nothing at all (for starters, the mere fact they had servers running with 10k pop shows they had done something because MaNGOS in its current state can't handle that) or don't deserve credit for running an unaduleterd server without pay2win or anything of the sort, but on the other hand, they don't have anything Blizzard would need either. The idea of Blizzard having lost server source code is unthinkable but lost databases are at least plausible. But that's one of the areas where Nostalrius is pretty much stock: if you look at mob abilities or patrol paths and other such details, even the open source emulation for 3.3.5a actually has them better (for example, Southsea Cannoneers have their shoot ability while they didn't on Nost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeD8NXdvZSs&feature=youtu.be&t=39m11s).
>>335563582
This.
I dont believe the part of tremendous techincal issues for a second, it makes me angry.
>>335563465
>original
yeah i guess incoherent shouting and overreactions were original...
lets plays are older than you are anon
>>335563312
Don't project your own ignorance of maintaining servers onto a topic you don't fully understand. Do you have any idea how many resources it would take to maintain a number of servers to accommodate the population of people that would want to play two or more versions of WoW, including the live one, and then PTRs for those servers?
Of course you don't. Go sign the petition a few dozen more times. You aren't getting what you want just because you keep crying.
>>335562431
>pirate servers
>>335563465
Think about what you said
>one of the first
Even if he was "the first" I'm pretty sure people have been watching other people play video games for entertainment long before the internet.
The both did the same shit, popularized something on the internet for a western audience.
>we can't just press a button and make it happen
>it'll be difficult if we ever do it
>never-mind this small team that was operating a private server that already had it down
Fucking christ I didn't even play Nostalrius but this pissed me off
This is obvious damage control.
The only thing stopping them from just doing it is them calculating if it would make them enough money to be worth the effort.
>>335562431
>unironically replaying old content
>>335563465
Bed time for you underage.
>>335563643
Sure if you count that faggot from SA forums. But pewdiepie mainstreamed it first.
>>335563725
You are retarded, probably watched too much ppd.
>>335563565
Some other things to improve Pristine imo
Remove flying completely post Cata zones, add PVE progression back in by not adding in high level apex/pvp gear/unlimited seals etc, try to keep the faction populations 50/50 since no cross realms
>we can't just press a button and make it happen
Wait, but this is exactly how you restore old build of your software, well not by just pressing button, but it's less than hour of work
>they partner up with Nostalrius people
>Nostalrius comes back
>everyone's characters are still there because they use the same old database
Best outcome that has about 1% chance of happening.
>>335563520
I guess I kind of forgot about the gearscore reckoning.
Didn't the guy who made the original mod get asspained because people started using it against him?
pristine servers sound like a middle ground that nobody wants
i want to be able to run WotLK content again as it was intended
i want to be able to run classic content again as it was intended
all the while being at the relevant level with the relevant mechanics available to me
classic was much more than the fucking leveling system. i miss those defias shitheads ganking you with two fireballs and having to team up with someone to take em out.
>>335563695
No fucking shit. But we're talking about let's plays in the sense of watching them ONLINE
So pristine realms would pretty much be the lowest denominator of them all, right? To me it sounds essentially like they would re-package and re-sell their current expansion without some of the QOL additions that have been added over the years. It also kind of sounds like you could cap your character at any level. Not just 60.
Pristine realm is not even close to a classic realm. The game is so watered down easy that even no heirlooms or accelerated leveling is difficult any more, mobs were made to melt to a guy in grey gear of similar level in the 1-60 range.
Who knows what will come of them talking to the people behind Nost.
>>335563582
>>335563631
it's partially true
people who run projects like this do it out of love and usually work pretty hard
but of course blizzard could do it, they're a real game company, they just don't think it's worth the effort
Blizzard, I will happily lend you my WoW install disks if you're struggling that much with restoring your old content.
>>335563596
Yeah, exactly. That's why simply removing these things won't fix leveling, because it would still not give you an incentive to group up with other players.
>>335563110
It's incredibly hard for them to do vanilla servers. Vanilla WoW server code doesn't exist anymore. Emus have to recreate it. Blizzard would have to recreate it, localize it into all of their game languages that were added after vanilla, integrate Battle.net into it, provide CS support for it, and more. All of that is a ton of work that people who are doing it for fun don't have to worry about.
I like the idea of vanilla realms too but to do it officially is probably never happening
>>335563110
A real company has a harder time making their employees work for free. People are still pretty pissy about slavery. Fucking wankers I know but what are you gonna do :^(
>>335563792
What they probably mean is integrating it into an actual buy option, into battle.net 2.0, set up its own paid services, gms and support.
Setting up a "pristine" server would be turning off a few things and running a new realm - cheap and literally an hour's work.
Setting up legacy realms would need actual work and investment - a big no no at Blizzard.
>>335563786
Or lock all flying behind achievements, which would actually get people to play the damn game.
>>335563774
Okay, name someone else who made let's play mainstream(FIRST) after Slowbeef created them originally on SA?
Go. Name someone.
>>335563802
No Anon, because then yu're not paying for the time it takes to level your character to 60. Which in Vanilla was actually a fairly long time.
Who else /James Leveling Guide/ here?
>>335563802
nah
>couple nost frenchies get a job doing what they love to do
>we get 'pristine' servers
thats the best outcome we even have a chance of getting; don't fool yourself.
>>335563802
Here's the most likely outcome
>Blizzard fucks up the legacy servers and ruins the the same way they ruined them originally
>>335563880
>Vanilla WoW server code doesn't exist anymore
Sure, they shift+delete all old builds
Do you even believe it, you fucking faggot?
I think the hardest part would be to get the right amount of servers online.
Imo its very hard to predict how big the demand for classic servers will actually be.
The starting phase will be a huge clusterfuck with 2h+ queues on the servers, but if they put up enough to handle the initial spike, they will get some dead servers a few months down the line.
>>335563443
>talks about idea they've had for e few years
>already complain about what it's missing
>>335563880
You think they completely wiped all their old builds?
>we had to shut Nostalrius down to protect our dying game
>doing it ourselves is just too hard
>if we do it maybe we'll just do it in an inferior way
Bliz is so out of touch it's unreal
>>335562431
So it is true
Cry hard enough and eventually you will get what you want
>>335563880
Only reason pservers have to recreate it is because they don't have the original source you fuck head.
>>335563849
Exactly. They'd have to retroactive group quest, elite mobs and a fuckton of quest that where changed or removed through the years and that's too much work for them.
>>335563849
>>335563848
>>335563843
Yeah this all sounds like blizzard desperately wanting to get out of this shitstorm with the least amount of work possible put into it. They should just find a revision/ outsource rebuilding an older build. Nobody wants this.
>>335563953
This is Blizzard we're talking about. They had to delay Flying in WoD by 2 patches because flying over certain pieces of geometry would cause the game to crash.
I would not put it past them.
>>335563696
>I have no fucking clue how database compatibility works
How fucking complicated can it be to license out the IP?
>Dear Nostalrius
>You can run this server if you give us half the subscription money
>Signed, Blizzard
>>335563953
if this were a simple single player game or something they could just pull an old version and re-compile it. but considering it's a huge fucking mmo that's over a decade old, getting the whole system to work again would be a fucking nightmare even with all the source
>>335564069
>wahhh it's too hard for our billion dollar company
you can fuck right off too
>>335562431
It won't happen.
This is a diplomatic post to tell people to calm the fuck down.
And when people DO calm down with a bit of hope in hearts, they'll just keep ignoring the topic until people stop caring.
The truth is Blizzard doesn't want to divide their community into current-content and vanilla-content servers.
Vanilla or pristine servers won't happen. Sorry.
>>335564023
Its called opportunity costs.
They mount up at BlizzHQ right now.
>>335564062
From where did you hear that? Because the only reason they bought back flying was because of the fanbase crying
>>335563817
It wouldn't surprise me.
Gear score and item level aren't inherently bad, but like so many things in modern WoW, it's how the vast majority of the (retarded) playerbase uses/understands them that fucks it up.
Gear with inherently higher item level isn't necessarily stronger for every class and spec, especially trinkets. Holy Priests at one point valued crit or something over Intellect, meaning a lower item level piece of armor with more of that secondary stat would have made them perform better.
And, of course, equating a player's higher item level with their skill level is pretty dangerous in most brackets when there are better ways of gauging skill, like proving grounds that the entire official WoW forums despises because they can't do the minimum of silver just to be able to queue for heroic dungeons in group finder.
You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone in a pug right now that's done all the endless 30's.
>>335564069
oh, you do?
enlighten us
>>335564104
>You can run this server if you give us half the subscription money
>on a server that was free
>>335564104
Of course it's simple, they just don't want to do it, this is a PR post not the truth
>>335563696
>The only thing stopping them from just doing it is them calculating if it would make them enough money to be worth the effort.
Did you figure that out by yourself? There's no reason for a business to do something that will end up with very little if any profit at all.
>>335564104
Hello my name is Anon and I have no idea how IP laws work! :)
>>335564104
>HALF
>Blizz and activision
>implying
they'll want 100% and then settle for 85/15%
>>335564142
also known as "Valve's paid mod approach".
Wait out the initial shock, then do whatever you wanted to do anyway.
>>335564125
>Wahhhhhhh eveything can be fixed with money
>>335564104
Why would you do that?
>>335564017
>we had to shut Nostalrius down to protect our dying game
Why are you so butthurt about them protecting their IP?
>>335564196
>There's no reason for a business to do something that will end up with very little if any profit at all.
Blizzard is a business, how profound, thanks.
LMAO REKT >>335563774
>>335563921
>>335562860
I don't subscribe to the "It's only what they THINK they want" position that Blizz uses to deflect the discussion, but I do think it's fair to say that a significant number of people will realize their memories of classic WoW were heavily nostalgia-colored and that they can't be bothered with slogging through decade-old content.
More importantly however, what will most certainly kill these "pristine servers" is that hardly anybody will agree with the full range of changes.
"Man I hate the WoW Token, glad they got rid of that, but I do miss heirloom items! This sucks!"
"Good riddance to level boosting, but that group finder sure was convenient. I don't want to spam LFG for hours, this sucks!"
Etc.
It's basic mass psychology - it's easy to rally divergent positions around a vague commonality but impossible to find a consensus that pleases anybody in the end.
>>335563659
The anon I replied to said they listed reasons it wouldn't be economical. And while I'm relatively sure they have in the past, in this specific instance, in this particular milquetoast half assed attempt as assuaging the frothing at the mouth masses, they didn't.
They just said it would be hard and they want to "protect" their "rights". Money plays a part, surely, but pride is also a major factor. Stop trying to pick fights because you have nothing better to do than shitpost.
>>335564148
From official blue posts. They didn't even try to hide it. They delayed it twice because they couldn't get it working in time even after they caved and announced they would do it.
>>335564251
Please don't act stupid, anon.
>>335564249
>Why are you so butthurt about them protecting their IP?
If that's all they had to say I'd appreciate the honesty.
Then they had to layer on the doublespeak. It's pandering.
>>335564287
>says something stupid
>acts defensive
muster some humility anon
>>335564215
>everything can be fixed with money
It's a sad truth but it's the truth nonetheless.
>pristine servers
>yeah! its what you want! we just turn off all the garbage we added, that fixes it doesn't it! It's the legacy server you want! =)
>we can't do a real legacy server its too hard
>When Nost devs in a basement did it for free
moderm wow cucks will defend this
>>335564254
>Hating WoW token
>Despite the fact that it's literally free game time for those who are dedicated & gold for the lazy asses
I don't get it desu
>>335562860
Because at the end of it all when you hit 100 you're back to sitting in your garrison with fuck all to do
I don't understand how you don't see this
>>335564185
Yeah there also wasn't a contract between Blizzard and Nostalrius, was there, you fucking nonce.
So it's basically World of Warcraft including all the expansions, and removing a lot of features that players disliked?
Sounds cool I guess? I don't know if it'll bomb hard though considering that most of the playerbase are casuals.
>>335564117
No it wouldn't
There will be problems with new videocards and 64 systems, maybe
But it's still on the client side, launching old clients on the server side would take less than day
>>335562884
>That confirms nothing.
Pretty much, but it's a step in the right direction because Blizzard publicly and officially acknowledges shit for a change. You can't expect to act overnight because that's simply not how big entities work.
>>335562431
>"have you ever thought about servers for previous expansions as they were then?"
>"No"
wew lad
>>335564303
Exactly this. If they just flat out said, "Yeah, we had to shut them down, they were getting too big and infringing on our IP rights." I'd have accepted that with a quiet anger. But then they just went off on stupid bullshit to appease everyone.
>>335564215
>>Wahhhhhhh eveything can be fixed with money
Still waiting for an answer from you about how this would be an impossible problem for them.
"It's too hard" is not an excuse. You'll realize this when you get out into the real world.
>>335564249
You don't have to protect intellectual property. Copyrights don't genericize like trademarks do; copyright doesn't fade if you don't sue people over it.
tl:dr
>no and fuck off
>>335562431
they specifically say they're not happening though?
>>335562431
So? like it going to really happen, even if it happen, i really doubt many people really gone back to play for long...
>>335564202
Luckily you're here to explain to us why it would be so hard for Acti-Blizz' legal team to license out a property like so many other companies do, right?
>>335562431
it will be shit and they will charge a fortune for it
calling it right now
>>335564017
>>we had to shut Nostalrius down to protect our dying game
Blizzard has shut down Private Servers before, even when the game was doing well.
>>335564263
>the whole company is a proud asshole that won't do something because it's proud
>money plays a part but they don't do what I want because they're proud, all of them, so proud
holy shit you're stupid
>>335562835
>only way to get Blizzard to act these days is with bad PR
Tha saddest part about that is the fact that it was the only PR Blizzard got despite Legion being just a few months away, same with the movie.
They had to say something.
HAHAHAHAHAH NOSTALRIUS KEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
>>335563953
They absolutely don't have the same server structure, you enormous retard. They have the game builds since anyone can just download those anyway, but the entire way everything's placed and setup in the world needs to be recreated. You don't preserve that because there's absolutely no reason to. They've upgraded their server tech and changed file formats multiple times since then.
It also doesn't address the fact that most of the people playing are in it because it's free. Majority of them aren't going to pay for an official legacy server, so why throw money away at a huge project?
>>335564356
Blizz is a business, though.
>pristine server
>the same up to date game but it will take you 10x as long to reach level cap
>"this is what you guys want right?"
You guys should check out the Plebbit thread on this, it's full of people defending Blizzard
>>335564424
>I'm sure people won't think that we don't give a shit about the game at all when we let everyone run their own private server, possibly even sell some goods of their own for profit!
>Pristine Servers
...could be interesting. Turn off all the community-destroying shit they added in over the years, like LFD/LFR and CRZ. Game might actually be pretty decent then.
>>335563953
>>335564010
>>335564026
it's a completely different server structure you retards
a completely different authentication method
remaking battlenet compatibility
don't talk about how easy shit you don't understand is
>>335564409
the client would be the easiest part to get working
getting the old servers and old databases working would be the nightmare
Isn't this the "You think you do but you don't" nigger?
>>335562431
>And while we've looked into the possibility there is not a clear legal path to protect Blizzard's IP and grant an operating license to a pirate server
lol what horseshit
>>335564575
Yes anon, we know.
Not sure if you're waiting for a pat on the head or something.
>>335564008
So? What's the point of implementing such servers if they won't have enough changes to actually do what they are meant to do?
Rebuilding the community of WoW is a complex process, and it'll take more than what they've listed. Maybe they didn't list all of their ideas for the pristine servers, but still.
Eliminating all the shitty ways to group and teleport and accelerate leveling is one thing.
What is missing is an actual incentive for people to group up, and that can only be done through the difficulty of leveling.
>>335564263
>in this...[bunch of emotional whining]...attempt...they didn't
>the post literally talks about the operational challenges of integrating classic servers and then supporting them as well as multiple versions of live servers
You aren't getting your legacy servers. Stop writing poems about how you don't understand where money or time goes and how it's unfair that servers don't pop out of your gaping ass.
>>335564694
Considering the first comment was like it was some revelation that they won't bother if it won't turn profit, shouldn't I be acting condescending towards you?
>>335564062
It's virtually impossible to develop even a modest software project in a team without a version control system (almost everyone I know uses them even for solo projects because it's just so damn convenient) and one of the features they all have is being able to restore any version the project has ever been in.
Now, Blizzard might be missing compatible server infrastructure, the build environment is probably different (for example, the libraries have changed, and using the old versions might not be a good idea due to security leaks that have since been fixed: you'd either have to port the server to newer versions of those libraries or backport security fixes to the old version and both require work), they don't have trained GMs familiar with the expansion etc. And while server software is one thing, it's more plausible they might have lost their databases (which might contain even stuff like all the scripting for quest RP and boss encounters depending on how Blizzard implemented them). But no, source code for the servers being lost is unthinkable.
>>335564386
Except that isn't what people who are wanting legacy servers want. They want servers set to specific expansions/releases. All they are offering with their idea is toggling off things most players can ignore themselves. This doesn't limit the content, return old quest, or the difficulty of many zones.
>>335564681
Wow it's actually him
That's hilarious
>>335562878
but he never got on a airplane you dunce, he wanted to but the german police said to him "dont do it they will arrest you as soon as you step out the airport" so he didnt take the offer.
>>335564419
because any resources that could be used to make a legacy server would be better used to improve the current game?
hello?
retard????????????
>>335564649
Reddit is the breeding grounds of cuck faggotry and blind optimism. I'm not surprised that there are people there defending Blizzard. These are the same people that want to free criminals because nobody should be locked up.
>>335564778
The point was that it's the obvious reason but not the one they publicly gave.
I'm not trying to be mean but everyone realizes already Bliz is a business to make money. You should just take that as a jumping point and use your head.
>>335564649
>plebbit
if i wanted to see retarded drones i would go on mmo champ
>>335564419
Do you undersdtand the technology differance from 12 years ago? Batlenet didn't exist during vanilla. Things like server transfers, paid faction changes and whatnot didn't exist untill BC.
They can't just slap down a legacy server, bootupt he database and connect it to the current system. It's "too hard" means it's a massive compatibility issue.
They'd have to do a massive amount of coding to get the database working with the new system and connect it to not only wow but battlenet.
And no they wouldn't just have the legacy stuff off on the side. Being part of the current system makes it eaiser to manage. There comes the profittablility issue. If they make offical legacy sertvers off the b.net system then they have to spend a lot more for it.
Call me a shil. Call me a blizzdrone. But have some fucking basic understanding that old tech and new tech do not mix very well. It's a programing nightmare.
>>335564665
see>>335562881
have fun with all the same content with tacked on travel times to the current catch-up method, a smaller functional population, and no way of sifting through BR casuals
>>335564757
>Eliminating all the shitty ways to group and teleport and accelerate leveling is one thing.
Except that group stones were added during Vanilla because Wlocks were in demand solely to force to go to the dung for summoning.
Nobody wants to go to the same place several fucking times wasting 30 minutes or so.
>and that can only be done through the difficulty of leveling.
Difficulty of leveling came from crappy itemization, underpowered as fuck classes and specs, too few quests, awful quest item drop rates and shit.
>>335564669
And yet Nostalrius devs did it for free.
>But Nost didn't have to make battle.net work with it! But Nost didn't have to do whatever fucking thing I can think of
Yeah, and the game still fucking functioned, didn't it? Don't tell me Blizzard couldn't do this easily, and don't say that even if they wanted to integrate BNet into vanilla servers they couldn't do it.
>>335564687
if blizzard don't pursue every serious IP violation they can when they do go after someone the courts can just tell them to fuck off
>>335564757
Leveling is the worst part of the game. Completely pointless when all content is focused on the endgame and pvp isn't even slightly balanced until level cap.
I'd love to see flying removed, more limited LFG, more limited teleporting, but fuck the leveling process. Fuck doing the same 'kill x amount of x' or go click on x of these stupid fucking things thousands of times before you get to the real game. That's the most boring shit .
>>335564869
Alright, I misinterpret it.
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>>335564658
I mean, of course it's all about money, they want people buying expansions and paying subscription fees and so forth. But you can never lose a copyright due to failing to enforce it. This whole "protecting their IP" line is complete bullshit that stems from people's vague ideas of what copyright law might be.
>>335564837
Maybe I have Alzheimer's but I remember him deciding to YOLO it and get on the airplane despite everyone telling him not to. And then he gets arrested like a champ.
>>335564845
>because any resources that could be used to make a legacy server would be better used to improve the current game?
Oh yeah, how's the been working out for them anon?
I'm sure if they don't devote 100% of their meager resources to shitting out worse and worse expansions, then the game would be REALLY bad.
Thanks for shedding the light anon.
>????????????
consider suicide
>>335564687
IP law is a bitch. I don't know all of the exact details but surely they would have thought of something if they could have.
They couldn't license it out because Private servers use their own code. They would have to create their own licensing system to allow private servers to run and tools to allow it. You can't let someone reverse engineer it.
>>335564845
>Blizzard
>improve the current game
Excuse me whilst I find my sides
>"Pristine" Servers
>WoD without the ingame store.
Wow! This looks amazing I cant wait!!
>>335564887
Part of the issue with the content is that due to such things as LFD and LFR making gear acquisition so much easier, players can burn through content faster.
Eliminate those and build a sense of community on the server, so you KNOW who you are playing with, you KNOW who is good, you actually KNOW who the people in your party are because you see them day in and day out rather than some faceless nobodies from four different realms, the content that exists stands a chance of being at least a deal more palatable than the current "Oh let me just hop CRZ until the rare I need to farm is up and repeat ad nauseum until I have enough shit to go run LFR."
>>335564924
If they could easily do it they would. Compatibililty is a major thing when you're dealing with 12 year old tech.
>>335564984
much better than if the game had been siting in vanilla for a decade
thats for damn sure
>Ask Nost devs for their code
>Develop vanilla realm
>Include alongside wow sub
This shit isn't hard.
>>335564924
>Nostalrius devs did it for free.
No, they did it for no pay.
Maintaining those servers wasn't free, they had to pay for them with their OWN money and time.
Why the fuck would Blizzard do that if they couldn't monetize it? Would they make anyone who played on the official legacy servers pay another subscription fee to cover the costs? Because if they don't, they're literally offering a service that requires upkeep for FREE.
Blizzard isn't a church.
>>335563110
Except it's not the true values you idiot. No one but blizzard knows the true HP values, level values, etc of each mob. What you have now in private servers are from trial and error from the private devs. This is why some servers have harder mobs and some have easier mobs, it's because they are trying to figure out what's the closest way the enemy stats were in the original.
If Blizzard took this on, they would have to look into this. They stated the old code is GONE, so the values are GONE. The mobs we see now aren't the same as they were before. Nost isn't all magic and miracles, it had its own bugs and issues that weren't normal bugs in retail Vanilla. Their code isn't the greatest, nor were they the best of private servers. They just had a playerbase.
>>335564845
>could be used to make a legacy server would be better used to improve the current game?
Am I getting memed or what?
>>335564904
>Nobody wants to go to the same place several fucking times wasting 30 minutes or so.
Ok? I never said that summoning stones were somehow a bad thing. Teleporting 5 players from different realms, all sitting in their capital cities, now that is a bad thing.
>Difficulty of leveling came from crappy itemization, underpowered as fuck classes and specs, too few quests, awful quest item drop rates and shit.
And also mobs that were more difficult and unforgiving, group quests and other things.
It doesn't matter WHAT it was to be honest, as long as it actually got people to play the game together. Like in an MMO.
>>335564937
>Leveling is the worst part of the game. Completely pointless when all content is focused on the endgame and pvp isn't even slightly balanced until level cap.
I never felt like that in Vanilla and TBC. I found leveling actually enjoyable when it wasn't a meanignless chore like it is today.
Yeah, sure, nowadays it's by far the worst part of the game, they even offer you to buy a way to skip it. But that's not how it used to be.
>>335565075
>Would they make anyone who played on the official legacy servers pay another subscription fee to cover the costs?
...Yes? What point are you trying to make?
are achievements being removed if you play on pristine servers?
a lot of features being removed are correlated to cheevos
>>335564673
>>335564669
>>335564568
People who obviously don't know how servers or software in general works, defend blizzard
Why I'm not even surprised?
Don't fall for this shit, servers unlike your shitty pc don't have such big compatibility problems with old software
And old builds don't mean your game client old builds, blizzard can literally unzip this shit and instal on any free server and turn it online
The only real problem is battle.net client, but if you look how modern wow connects(unlike any others blizzard game on the battle.net), you will see that it's not a big problem too, and they just need update a launcher a little
>>335565028
You are the reason why we can't have nice things.
You are a complete fucking idiot chugging on the whole "le lfr and lfd are bad meme" bullshit.
Seriously, stop.
>>335564881
>Call me a shil. Call me a blizzdrone. But have some fucking basic understanding that old tech and new tech do not mix very well. It's a programing nightmare.
You're a shill and a blizzdrone and you're talking out of your ass with what I would bet money on is pure cursory knowledge and modern jackassery.
Yeah no shit stupid, they'd have issues bringing back a version of the game that doesn't exist anymore. That is not a revelation of a statement nor is it something that would surprise anyone.
If you're going to tell me that it would be too hard for Blizzard to do, while multiple other small teams have done it privately, I would politely tell you to go fuck yourself.
This is not a difficulty issue, this is a money issue. And everyone realizes Bliz is there to make money, that by itself is fine. The fact though that Bliz has to hide behind that excuse while continuing to deliver a worsening project, while at the same time denying people a different experience, is what people are mad about.
Do you honestly think that they wouldn't make the money back tenfold? Let's not devolve into petty discussions here. Blizzard would make a fortune releasing real, "as they were" legacy servers. Can we agree on thisor not who cares dude we're all anonymous here.
>>335564971
It's ok, I'm sorry if I got rude anon.
>that initial wave of thousands of people logging in day one for vanilla wow
>>335564989
>IP law is a bitch. I don't know all of the exact details but surely they would have thought of something if they could have.
Actually what they would have done is mumble some incoherent legal pseudo-jargon about not wanting to let someone do for free what they can do for money, knowing that stupid people would lap it up.
Licensing legacy versions for free would be as hard as writing a fucking free license.
>>335563880
>Blizzard would have to recreate it, localize it into all of their game languages that were added after vanilla, integrate Battle.net into it, provide CS support for it, and more. All of that is a ton of work
wow. it almost sounds like working at Blizzard would be......WORK! How awful! That's not what having a job is meant to be like!
>>335565028
then see>>335563520
You aren't getting your idyllic vanilla happy times back. It's not the nature of the game anymore.
>>335565028
Building a community on server nerver worked. Screamign in chat for a group took forever and blacklisting rarely happened. Once name and race changes got put in you could dodge that shit easy.
Let's also point out the fact that each server was more like a highschool. You had the little guild clicks that were causeing drama with each other. So even if you built up a good repetutaion a guild would likely grab you if you were decent.
People who never played vanilla have no fuckign clue the pvp politics or AQ crap that went on back then and the utter nightmare it caused cause each server was isolated.
>>335562431
>would turn off all leveling acceleration including character transfers, heirloom gear, character boosts, Recruit-A-Friend bonuses, WoW Token, and access to cross realm zones, as well as group finder
What I want to know is if this would this also compensate for the adjusted XP gains from dungeons and quests?
>>335562431
Fat hope OP...
Blizzard aren't wasting their money, just so that a small group of cunt gets what they want to play for the next few months than quit after that for the next few years...
>>335565209
>Same reactions as when Nintendo released Pokemon Red on the virtual console and the kids who started with Diamond & Pearl were so fucking lost and confused
>>335565164
i think it could make a profit
the question is for how long and is it worth the opportunity costthe answer is probably not
>>335562691
I never wanted vanilla classic, WotLK was always my dream.
>>335565148
LFR and LFD are actually bad though. Unfortunately they're also a necessary evil at this point in the game's life. The population of the game is much to sparse and spread out for it to be removed. I guarantee that you'd never find a group for any dungeon under level 90 on a "pristine" server after the first couple of months.
Either you never introduce LFD and LFR or you do and there's no going back. As soon as a game has LFD/LFR there's literally no way to remove it without killing your game.
Why are you guys excited? You all know it's not going to be the same. You guys will play it for 2 weeks maybe and then drop it and forget it.
>>335562431
>You wanted vanilla
>So here's modern WoW with inconvenience mode turned on
FOR FUCK SAKE NOOOOOOO. I called it, I fucking called this in the first thread after Nostalrius petition started. I fucking said they'd just give us modern shit WoW just trying to emulate vanilla.
FUCK ME.
>>335565340
that didn't stop me looking forward to plowing your mom
>>335565164
They'd make money on them for a little while, but once you've done locked content enough you will eventually get bored. I already take monthly breaks from WoW, since Wrath, so that I don't completely crash and burn out from looking at the same zones, dungeons, and raids for months on end.
I'm not defending Blizzard, I've had my share of their shit, but legacy servers will be a passing fad once they're a thing and a good majority of those wanting them get their fill of nostaglia.
Step 1. Unzip "old build.zip"
Step 2. Add support for the battle.net client
Step 3. Calculate the initial playerbase and set up servers accordingly
Step 4. Literally free moneyStep 5. Merge inactive realms until status quo is reached
Literally free money.
>>335564881
>They'd have to do a massive amount of coding to get the database working with the new system
My fucking sides, I'm actually crying because you are so braindead retarded
Current wow clients connects this way: you put your login/pasword in battle.net launcher=>press start game=>launcher literally starts game from your game foldier=>it's put your login/password in the game launch window=>you see your characters page
You can fucking launch new wow without even launchin battle.net, this is blizzard were THAT lazy to actually change something
>>335565340
>implying Bliz will ever do it in the first place
lol
>>335565253
But what for?
They got tons of game to make profit for them, why make a legacy realm that doesn't even make less than half of the profit of the other game?
>>335565162
If you want to tell me to fuck off then show that masters degree in programing and go fucking code the legacy servers in.
Yes, it is a difficulty issue. And unless you got the credientals to prove otherwise I'm going to beleive blizzard over some random chucklefuck on the internet.
You really are a peice of shit if you think it's only about the money and that the differance in technology between legacy and current isn't an issue.
But please, actally prove me wrong. Go code out those compatibility issue and let know how easy it is. I'll wait.
>>335565245
As someone who's been playing Pokemon since the very beginning I can say that the originals were fun to play and brought a nice bit of nostalgia, but I prefer the newer games. WoW on the other hand has only gotten markedly worse over time. I played Nostalrius up to about level 45 before I quit. And I quit not because I wasn't having fun. On the contrary I was having a lot of fun, but I knew it was only a matter of time before Blizzard stepped in. I didn't want to get invested in a character when I knew Blizzard was gonna sweep the rug. Of course I was right, but it took them a bit longer than I expected.
>pristine server
>all the experience gained is vanilla-like
>but now you can level to 100
>reading through the mmo-champion forums
How did this "rose tinted glasses!" meme still holds up after Nost run for over a year and people just kept playing it?
Some of the Retailcucks already switched to
>b-but only because it was FREE! ;_;
but there are still quite a lot who haven't move the goalpost yet. I don't get it.
>>335565432
That sentence gave me a fucking aneurysm
>>335565140
>blizzard can literally unzip this shit and instal on any free server and turn it online
>they just need update a launcher a little
how to spot someone who's never done any programming: they suggest anything is easy and all you need to do is "just do x."
>>335563880
>Blizzard would have to recreate it, localize it into all of their game languages that were added after vanilla, integrate Battle.net into it, provide CS support for it, and more.
Yeah so hard that Runescape did it with a team of 3 people.
>>335565340
I still can't figure out whether posts like these are made by genuine retards or if they are 1/10 bait attempts.
>>335564812
>>335564681
>In his spare time, Brack thinks he enjoys playing a wide variety of games, practicing martial arts, and reading, but he doesn't.
>>335565403
What makes you think they HAVE old builds?
>muh nostalgia
Why Vanilla? Every Expac aside from WoD had more subs, meaning those might have a better chance at drawing the crowd attention from making a Legacy server out of them.
>>335565340
I would only be excited for progression legacy servers. These "pristine" servers give me no hope and no excitement. Blizzard can't do anything right these days and even if they announced progression legacy servers I'd bet money they'd find a way to ruin those too.
>>335565238
Assuming that is part of "leveling acceleration" yeah, the issue is that it won't retroactive old quest (like class specific and group) and the fact a lot of mobs were a lot tougher/elite.
>>335564142
>The truth is Blizzard doesn't want to divide their community into current-content and vanilla-content servers.
The community that wants legacy aren't playing modern WoW, so there is no divide.
>>335562431
Not legacy servers anon. It will be servers running current content but without XP boosts, LFR, LFD, tokens and cross realm.
It's definitely a step in the right direction.
>>335565238
dungeons yes, quests maybe not. But then it's a simple X-Y exp value for 1-60, 60-70, and so on.
You can get thru cata in one zone nowadays. Before it took you 100% of hyjal/vash+stonecore+uldum and abuot 50% of highlands to get those 5 levels. So up the exp needed and you're back to the same level time.
Easy to adjust for older content.
>>335565521
Only because BC came out so it's impossible to know how many subs perpetual vanilla would have attained
You're a fucking idiot for not thinking that through
>>335565462
Oh, I didn't mean them ragging on how bad PKMN Red/Blue was.
I mean them literally being confused by the early game mechanics. Like questioning why Gust wasn't super effective on grass types because back then, it was a Normal-Type move.
>>335565512
Do you honestly think that a $19,000,000,000 company doesn't keep old builds? How is this taken as truth at all?
>>335565494
Keep making fool of yourself
Software builds work exactly like that
>>335565553
they'd be more divided than they are now u dip
populations in mmos have a snowball effect
>>335565140
someone who obviously doesn't know how actual companies who make money works
MMOs aren't one program, they aren't even two programs, a big game like WoW has an entire infastructure that needs to be rolled back, and the old server software can't be installed as-is, it needs to be modified to work with blizzards new payment systems, etc, it needs to be recompiled so all the dependancies need to be correct, it would be a fucking nightmare to get it going
and that's not "blizzard defense", they could obviously do it if they wanted to, it's just not as easy as flipping a switch or unzipping an old server like you think it is
>>335565629
>they'd be more divided than they are now u dip
Explain how a currently non-subbed player is less divided from sub player.
>>335565440
I don't have to prove shit to you.
I can point a finger to the multiple existing and forgone private servers that have existed.
>b-b-but they can't do that because of modern WoW
Holy shit you're right. It's a shame we can't play Diablo 2 or Starcraft either.
Again your only argument is "it's too hard". I'm calling your argument shit and why and the only thing you can come back with is the literal "if you can't do it yourself then s-shut up".
>>335565487
oh look grammar police! WEEEWOO WEEEWOOO WEEEWOOO
Better start running or he/she going to start bitching...
"Pristine" servers are literally Blizzard attempting to reel in the private vanilla server players with the least amount of effort possible, and they are going to fail miserably.
At minimum you have to undo everything Cataclysm did to even attempt to woo these players.
>>335565591
But anon, a BLUE post SAID it would be too HARD! That's why!
Here's my question.
Provided they have the original server and client code from back then (which they should, if they're a proper company and keep copies of their previous shit for posterity/possibility of a snafu with some code from long long ago), why not just offer it as a separate entity from the main current WoW game? Like. A discounted version of WoW.
Like say, instead of paying 15bux a month, it'd be 5bux a month for Vanilla WoW, 7 for TBC, and 9 for WoTLK?
>>335565521
Look instead at how many subs each expansion GAINED. And you'll find out that vanilla got 8 million, TBC got 3, and Wrath got 1. All the other expansions only lost them subs.
>>335565473
>they only did it because it was free!!!
That's actually one of the reasons that kept me from playing it. I knew after it got popular enough Blizzard would kill it. So I stopped playing to avoid getting invested in a character that would be stolen from me one day. If Blizzard were to release a Nostalrius style progression legacy server I'd be in from day one and playing like a maniac. I'd pay a full sub price for it too.
>>335565512
The guy who hired Blizzards first archivist for this specific job.
>>335565674
>undo everything Cataclysm did
>not WoTLK
I'm looking at you, LFD, free epics and rehashed casualized Naxx
>>335565440
What is stopping Blizzard from doing exactly what these private servers did?
>>335565109
WoW Bestiary covers the majority of all vanilla/TBC mobs and as far as world mobs are concerned, the values seem to be correct (the authors of the book probably were given a listing of mobs and some of their values by Blizzard).
Although, if you go into precise detail, mobs in WoW didn't just have damage ranges and HP pools but attributes (str/agi/int/sta) and attack power that in part determined their actual damage range and health/mana pools. Bestiary only lists the damage range but unless someone comes up with a formula that seems to apply to every mob, you'd have incorrect interactions with Demoralizing Shout/Roar and Vindication (prior to 3.2 it reduced attributes) even if undebuffed mobs did exactly the correct damage. Right now, I don't think any private server has implemented the attributes even at a level of guessing the values (some discussion about the subject: https://github.com/ccshiro/cc-buglist/issues/422).
>desperate Nostfags begging Blizzard for Legacy servers
>>335565597
Software is pretty much 1/10th of getting a MMO to work
>>335565440
>If you want to tell me to fuck off then show that masters degree in programing and go fucking code the legacy servers in.
So your argument is "if you can't do it then you're wrong".
Good one anon.
>>335565638
>it needs to be modified to work with blizzards new payment systems
I hope that you are aware that it's separate things that worked indempendenly from each other, even now if you want to pay for your sub, you is still send to the battle.net page and not pay if from the game client
>>335565717
Don't bother anon, it's like arguing with a dog. He might understand your tone, but al he can do is bark in reply.
>>335565701
>stolen
>playing on a pirated server
Your logic is just as shit as asmongoloids retarded friend on Skype
>>335565656
some of the sub players might leave
people who are just now trying wow (the few that exist) might choose the older version not really understanding the difference
>>335565728
Dunno about anyone else, but I'm not begging. I just miss the game and want to play it without fear of getting the server shut down. At least with an official Blizz server I'd have the assurance that it'd be up for a while. I could never get into private servers because of the chaotic ephemeral nature of them. Either one of the people running it goes full jew and ruins the server or Blizzard smothers them when they get too popular.
>implying most of the people won't get bored even faster with it than with modern wow
It doesn't matter anyway.
Part of the fun of vanilla was all the exploration into the unknown and the constant stream of updates that it had.
Modern WoW is nothing like that, hell i don't even remember how old 6.2 is.
>>335565732
But anon the DATABASE ISSUES
>>335565732
>>335565638
>>335565512
>To make software work you need more than software
>Of course they don't have old builds! Why would you even keep those?
>It wouldn't be worth it!
Come on. Did the thread get linked to from reddit again?
lol at the idea of Blizzard hiring Nostalrius people.
No I'm thinking they have quite some better expertise in-house with their own software.
>>335565836
You're going to make a MMO work 100% inside the program? Where can I donate to your Cuckstarter, this sounds like a great idea
>>335565840
Not according to the people here (and the blue in OP) who think it would be impossible for Blizzard to do exactly what Nostalrius have been doing for a year.
>>335565815
That would be pretty difficult
>It's too hard to do, ignore the 3 French nobodies who did it though!
They really do know their fanbase is incredibly retarded and will fall for anything.
>Blizzard is a super conniving jew company
>why dont they make legacy servers? it would be SO easy and they'd make so much money!
which one is it nostaltards?
>>335565892
Blizzard isn't going to run some hackjob vanilla server - it needs to integrate with wow as it currently exists.
They're not going to maintain two separate client/server versions.
>>335565971
both.
>>335565971
Not mutually exclusive
>>335565825
>6.2 is 10 months old
Holy fuck that's grim, what the fuck is blizzard even doing.
>>335562431
>mfw Allen "You think you do" Brack unleashes Blizzard's masterful divide and conquer tactics
>mfw in a few months he says "due to the overwheling amount of different ideas for legacy and pristine realms among the players, we have decided no to pursue this project further"
Holy shit, all these blizzdrones.
I don't even play WoW but people come out of the wood work just to shit talk anything and everything that isn't 100% retail.
>>335565717
Putting legacy servers off b.net? They'd have to hire new people for the legacy only database, put in new servers, setup account connections. Then hope enough people actually pay to support it.
Being off the grid of b.net means they lose out on all the current tech they've developed to make mangment eaiser.
It be very much like adding a compeletly new game to their system only filled with old problems.
From a coding standpoitnt he compatibility is horrible. From a profit standpoint it's throwing away money to have it off the grid.
>>335562431
go kill yourself OP
>>335565980
>They're not going to maintain two separate client/server versions.
Well don't worry, with the ongoign subscriber apocalypse, at this rate they won't have to be operating any by the end of Legion.
>We wanted to let you know that we'^ve been closely following the Nostalrius discussion
"You've raised quite a shit"
>We hear you
>"We don't care"
>this subject has been highly debated
"We decided we don't care long ago"
>We aren't sure whether this version of a clean state is something that would appeal to the community
"The investment isn't worth it"
>we've recently been in contact with some of the folks who operated Nostalrius
"We sent them a lawsuit"
>we look forward to more conversations with them in coming weeks
"Court holds next month"
>We are listening
"Keep whining bitches lmao"
>>335565971
>you have to be smart to be greedy and gratuitously inflame the community
great logic dumbfuck lmao
>>335562431
>We've recently been in contact with some of the folks who operated Nostalrius.
>We've decided to sue them for 74 million dollars.
>Thanks for the free money, cucks!
>>335565903
>Try to look at your screenshot to figure out what backwater server you are playing on with only 32 people in /who
>realize that this is /who 1-99 for an entire server cluster
God damn.
>>335566060
I think a lot of other design choices are sinking them, not the lack of vanilla servers.
>>335565728
Except people have been asking for them since Wrath, when LFG tool and gear scores started becoming a thing.
>>335565892
>bunch of dirty frogs in a basement with pentium 4s manage to start an almost perfect blizz like vanilla server through trial and error
>multibillion dollar company with all the time in the world can't manage even with all the servers and old code
>>335565790
I never played nost so I have no need to bark.
>>335566105
>other design choices are sinking them, not the lack of vanilla servers.
It's almost as if the people dissatisfied with the former and quitting over it would be satisfied with the latter and pay for it instead.
>>335566006
>>335566012
>>335566073
>companies don't have entire divisions dedicated to how to best spend their resources
>im better at making money than these super jews
>i know the costs of this project than the lead devs who actually have to do it within a budget
>>335566062
LOL... You sure did well been an inner demon Anon...
>>335563880
Of course the code exists you fucking idiot, theres probably hundreds of backups of every single patch version in case shit hits the fan
>>335566041
Or they could just re-allocate people off other projects like they constantly do anyways. Like they did with pulling people off Diablo3.
You know what really fucking burns my biscuits though, is that you're right, but if they would lose more money doing it than not, then they should have left it the fuck alone.
If they would face legal problems, how come Daybreak was able to let Project1999 go on without a problem?
>>335565836
to make MMOs work you need a large system of different software on different servers. Which would all need to be rebuilt so they can operate within blizzards current infastructure. Which would be a pretty difficult task considering it's all ten years old
>>335565591
Square Enix used to delete all their code for their Squaresoft games
You don't see people whining to play old versions of dota or street fighter etc, why all this nostalgia cucking, is it because it was free?
I played retail from vanilla until start of cata, haven't played wow since, on retail or private servers, maybe everyone should just move on and get over it.
>>335566105
Which choices would that be? Maybe the one where they thought that 3 content patches/releases in 3 years would be sufficient to keep the playerbase engaged?
>>335566151
Well they think they'd be satisfied, but they wouldn't.
Otherwise nost would of had proper funding support and several million players. It had neither.
>>335566161
So you admit they're super jews, glad we're on the same page
>>335566161
>companies can do no wrong
>there's no way this can be feasible even though it literally was by a bunch of chucklefucks for free
fucking blizzdrones, i'm dying
>>335566228
Because Blizzard isn't Blizzard anymore. It's a twisted marionette being puppeteered by Activision. The jews are in control now and anything that gets in the way of their shekels must be stopped.
>>335566228
Because their line of bullshit is a commonly believed myth they know they can use without gettinge questioned.
"If you don't protect an IP, you can lose it" is a load of horseshit and you will never find it anywhere in US IP law. It's main resurgence today was caused by McDonalds trying to stave off a bad PR event when they sued a bunch of small businesses that used their family name which started with "Mc"
>>335566062
>>335566087
So lets discuss this hypothetical lawsui between Blizzard and Nostalrius. I'd imagine Blizzard would be suing for the losses of subscriptions from people who would be playing WoW but instead are playing Nost. Would Blizzard have to prove that the people playing Nost would be playing WoW (and paying fees) if Nost didn't exist, or would Nost have to prove that those people wouldn't be playing WoW, even if Nost didn't exist? What's the default state that has to be proven incorrect/correct for Nostalrius to be found guilty/not guilty?Or is it going to be a straight case of "You stole our IP, gibe mone pls" even though Nost didn't charge?
>>335565728
>I didn't read the blue post at all
People have been asking for vanilla servers for years. Even the blue acknowledged it.
>>335566268
Except people are literally playing old versions of dota, from wc3. And the old street fighters are all availible still. Just a rom/ cartridge away. Your statements don't hold up in the framework of this discussion.
>>335566339
>"You stole our IP, gibe mone pls" even though Nost didn't charge?
Legal experts weigh in.
>>335565903
Could you PLEASE delete this post?
>>335566339
It's probably a C&D? I'm not a lawyer but they probably won't bother with compensation
>>335566268
Because Dota and Street Fighter have improved and you can always go back and play Dota on Warcraft 3 or Street Fighter 2, 3, and 4 on your old consoles. You can't just pop in vanilla WoW and enjoy it. That's what people are asking for.
>>335566325
yea im sure bobby kotick and the activison board have heard this uproar, did a cost analysis, saw that it would be super profitable and then said lets not do it anyway
>>335562431
I'd love to see legacy servers happen, but this guy ain't saying we're getting them. It's more like the opposite. It's just not worth the effort for Blizzard, never been and probably never will be, though it's been more worth it now in recent days more than ever.
>>335565506
Trying too hard, reddit. Blizzard are the kings of fuckups and shown countless times but "hurr durr u must be le trolle"
>>335566313
>would of
have, you fucking pleb
>>335563517
fbi hires hackers
blizard hires, hackers
>>335566268
>You don't see people whining to play old versions of dota or street fighter etc
People are playing WC3 DotA and SF2 to this day, retard. Because unlike WoW those games weren't wiped out of existence by their sequels.
>>335565903
Is this what WoW looks like with no mods?
How did you people read a sincere blue post about it (they didn't need to respond at all) and get all that negativity?
Cheer fucking up.
Essentially what he talked about is the same experience people are getting from these nostalgia trips. Turn off everything that's convenient, including flying, group finder and heirlooms. All they need to do is up the health of the mobs and it's the the same experience without the glaring problems of vanilla.
>>335566339
I thought european private servers were immune to this shit
As much as I enjoyed Vanilla WoW. If they actually devote the resources to making this happen you can pretty much guarantee that the live version of the game will forever be shit. I guess it already feels that way anyway so what does it matter.
>>335566339
it doesn't matter if it was non profit
blizz art assets
blizz characters
the text in every quest
"world of warcraft" in the fucking name
it doesn't matter if you didn't make money you cant do whatever you want with other peoples shit
>>335566118
LFG has been a thing since BC.
>>335566268
It's because wow is an awful game, has always been an awful game and only lives on because of the sentimental attachment people have to it
>>335566217
I don't know the inner workings of blizz. I could be wrong. But then no one has anyway to prove the legacy servers would bring them buckets of money and it actually is easy to setup.
They said they wanted to leave it alone for the most part. But a very vocal group won't shutup. Blizz can only do what their system allows them to.
Remember garrisons? You don't want to remeber them. But they are what we got because part of the community kep beggin fro player housing.
WoW's world does not allow for a build your own simcity like SWG did. So garrrsion was the "middle group" we got. And it was horrible.
Now pristine servers are doing the same thing. And it's not going to work out for the same reasons.
But ya know, part of the community won't ever shutup about it. Like flying. He we got it back but they didn't create draneor to use it at first (their own fault really) so they had to go back and refix a ton of shit and it caused problems.
>>335566452
No you idiot. People want the old balance with the old raids.
>>335566462
They have an EU department. In fact, Nost was held in France, the same location where Blizz EU headquaters was
>>335566268
>You don't see people whining to play old versions of dota or street fighter etc, why all this nostalgia cucking, is it because it was free?
Because you can play old versions of Street Fighter and DotA without any problems.
>>335566339
They would not dare to sue the people behind Nost in this day and age. Literally everybody except diehard retailcucks on the offical forums shit on Blizz for shutting them down. If they sue, it's the only kind of PR they would get before legion. And it would be shitty PR.
>>335566462
Half of Europe is highly friendly with the US and gladly fucks over their own citizens under US law violations.
The 2 major havens in Europe for server hosting that never gets hit by copyright laws are Ukraine and Russia. Oh which only Kronos is hosted I believe.
Why do people act like vanilla wow was super hardcore content that's way harder than anything new when the entire thing was just a gear grind. Most of Naxx wasn't hard you just couldn't do it with 8 fully geared warrior tanks so taunt wouldn't miss during the horsemen while AQ was about gathering nature resist gear
>>335566492
That's disingenuous. While there was a utility in the game called LFG it was largely unused (or at least less used than chat channels) and was functionally quite different.
if these amateurs can make & sustain vanilla wow servers why cant blizzard?
>>335566485
>>335566389
Fair enough, I wasn't clear about that. I know it's illegal, I'm just wondering what the settlement/fees would be without hard data on what Nostalrius has cost Blizzard.Honestly I don't know what I'm asking, I just love seeing 4chan legal experst discuss shit like this.
>>335566564
p-p-p-problems!
>>335566452
Face the fact, cuck. Vanilla was the better game. :^)
>>335563880
All of this has been refuted plenty of times with so many examples. Blizzard is taking a cheap compromise. They're fucking lazy hacks who refuse to do any heavy lifting for their biggest cash cow. Pathetic.
>>335566452
>Essentially what he talked about is the same experience people are getting from these nostalgia trips
Why do you retards keep playing the "NOSTALGIA" card when people played Nostalrius for over a year happily and MANY people on it had never even played WoW before?
Because you faggots have no argument and you think screaming nostalgia is an ace to win the argument.
>>335566564
private servers and blizzard servers have different levels of expected quality?
>>335562431
why dont they just do what nintendo should have done with PM.
make a corporate entity of the team and resources behind the unofficial project, and then buy it and merge it with the parent company.
>>335566492
BC LFG and WotLK LFG aren't even on the same plane. One was a tool that compiled people who were looking for parties and let them see others who were doing the same, but that's it. The other is a tool that automatically groups you with 4 other people and teleports you to the dungeon without you having to do anything outside of pressing the button initially.
>>335566467
Who cares retail is unfixable shit.
>>335566631
Yeah, Blizzards are rock bottom. So I don't see the issue.
>>335566604
My opinion on this subject is completely different and contrast to yours...
>>335566564
So much shit has changed
- Cataclysm changed the whole world
- Several skill tree revamps and huge ability changes
- New classes and races
- Stat squash
They're not going to maintain two separate client/server codebases to satisfy people with nostalgia goggles on.
Nostfags are fucking disgusting
>>335566626
The name Nostalrius literally comes from Nostalgia
>>335563465
lol, Pewdiepie's popularity skyrocketed almost solely because of Amnesia.
>>335566642
It's really not though. I'd rather play a decent version of retail with new shit over vanilla ad infinitum. This is coming from someone who cleared up to 4H in original Naxx.
>>335566564
It's SO HARD anon. It took a skeleton crew of THREE WHOLE PEOPLE to run ORS even when it had 1 million players!
>>335566642
It really really is. I was asked, after going on a tirade about the many mistakes of modern WoW, what I would do to fix the game. Honestly, start from square one. I'd create one last expansion that closes out the story and then I'd start on a sequel. The game is beyond redemption at this point. It's so full of cancer that the only cure is to put it out of it's misery.
>>335566631
>get stuck on Nost
>open ticket
>3 minutes later GM whispers me and helps me out
It made retail support look pretty bad. The fact that their GMs were doing it for free doesn't help, either.
>>335566614
>biggest cash cow
Not anymore.
>tfw there will never be another boss fight in wow where the main mechanic is "Does my taunt miss?"
;_;
>>335566687
>They're not going to
>One other note - we’ve recently been in contact with some of the folks who operated Nostalrius. They obviously care deeply about the game, and we look forward to more conversations with them in the coming weeks.
I'm pretty sure we will see legacy server soon. Remember when they said never ever character transfer, faction transfer and stuff? Blizzard is always lying.
>>335566687
>people with nostalgia goggles on.
Then why was Nost full of first timers? Why did it last a year?
Oh wait, because the game was better and nsotalgia had nothing to do with it, Blizzcuck.
>>335566228
Daybreak still has some people who genuinely care for the legacy of their game, the people who run that company now are mostly comprised of former players. The fact that people were still keeping that legacy alive, even if in direct competition with their own legacy servers, made them happy.
Blizzard is full of people who openly tried telling this subset of the playerbase that they did not know what they wanted, the players decided they did and went to play on these private servers. Blizz got mad, saw the chance at making a few shekels so they shut it down and are now trying to pander to this pissed off group by the laziest implementation possible (literally just dialing back some exp values and removing heirlooms).
>people want to re-play WoW at a time when naked rogues could one shot you and warriors could do max damage and never die
>people want to queue for hours trying to find a 5-man group only to finally find a tank and the healer say "soz guys gtg"
>mana resource classes had to drink for 2mins after every fight.
inb4 blizzshill. I stopped playing WoW years ago and the idea of a vanilla server is just plain silly. People now know what was OP as well as all the old world exploits.
>>335565028
Nobody is going to transfer realms to play on it you stupid cuck
>>335566739
>anon in charge of reading comprehension
>>335566614
>They're fucking lazy hacks who refuse to do any heavy lifting for their biggest cash cow.
Actually it's the opposite. Hearthstone is their big cash cow and its operating cost is also a fraction of WoWs, they refuse to do any heavy lifting on WoW now because it's their dying cow and they've already gotten a new golden goose to replace it.
>>335566756
sure you did bub
>>335562431
I'm not popping the champagne until they're launched and working. Still, it's nice to see Blizzard actually listening to something people have been unhappy over.It's a PR move in some fashion, isn't it?
>>335566819
>Remember when they said never ever character transfer, faction transfer and stuff?
That was profitable
I can guarantee you you won't get your private servers. Not as you're expecting.
Maintaining two separate client/server versions will be very expensive and difficult. They won't do it.
>>335566840
People want an MMORPG. If i want to play some hypercompetitive PVP game i can go play CS or DOTA or street fighter. If i want an themepark MMORPG i have 0 fucking options right now.
>>335562431
So, tldr version
>We cant be fucked
>We dont want to admit we fucked up WoW
>Even though we could, dont wanna license anyone else to have a private server because we are greedy
>But why dont you play the same shitty game no one wants to play, but without some of these shitty features we know everyone hates but we include anyway because thats totally the same as vanilla/TBC :^)
Typical shitty Blizzard
>>335562881
At first it was
>LOL UR GAY FOR WANTING VANILLA
Then it got popular
then nost gets shut down and it became
>THEY SIMPLY WONT DO IT, EAT IT NOST FAGS
Now they are mentioning it
Now its
>IT STILL KINDA HARD BUT THEY MIGHT MAKE SOMETHING SIMILAR
Give it time, Vanilla will be back
>>335566819
Anon, they are TAKING THE NOST TEAM TO COURT, along with their server provider. There is NOTHING positive coming of their contact with them.
>release game
>go four months without a patch
>release a patch
>it's fucking nothing, just some QOL stuff and leftovers that should have been in the fucking launch
>wait another four months without a patch
>release A raid
>no dungeons
>no PVP arenas or battlegrounds - something that your expansion didn't introduce
>release A zone
>announce your new expansion a month later
>don't update your game for a year
BLIZZARD, EVERYBODY
>>335566825
You always know when you're dealing with an original genius when they use the word cuck.
How big was the population of Nostalrius?
>>335565243
Sounds like someone is buttmad nost fags are winning
>>335566905
>Maintaining two separate client/server versions will be very expensive and difficult.
So hard Jagex and Daybreak do it for negligible cost, with extremely small teams.
>>335566485
The art assets and whatever are client-side (which can be legally acquired). The server doesn't send you a model of Thrall, it sends packets like "hey, there's this NPC at coordinates x/y/z, please use model ID #378 when showing it to the player".
Admittedly Nostalrius did provide a download for the vanilla client and there are things in the server software that could be argued to be enough for copyright infringement (for example, due to the way localization in WoW works, the server actually does tell the client the NPC is called "Thrall" rather than pointing to a string ID like it does with models), but it's not at all clear how courts would handle that. There are legal precedents of derivative works that use FAR more non-original content (think of something like The Phantom Edit) than a few strings out of context and they've been fine.
Pure realms is likely the furthest they will go and people will still cry about it.
>>335566626
Those who have played wow before went to nost for nostaliga purposes. That part of the argument is true.
The ones who never played wow have no idea what the current game is like obviously. So they don't know any better. Those people are likely poor and can't afford to buy everything up to wod and a sub. Thus free private server.
>>335566803
>quest glitches out in the beginning of the WoD quest line stopping me from progressing in the expansion because Blizzard is stupid as shit and is doing this fucking retarded storyline quest progression nonsense
>open a ticket
>takes literally two whole days for a GM to respond to me
>"lol whoops bud, that's not supposed to happen lmao."
>takes fucking like 40 minutes just to auto-complete the quest for me
It's fucking sad when a free server, being run by a bunch of smelly frogs for free have better customer support.
>>335566949
150k active players, peaking at around 15k concurrent. 22k concurrent if you count the PvE server too.
>>335566949
180k active players. In case you didnt know, thats far larger than even the biggest retail server.
And unlike retail, it was growing up until the day it got blizz'd
>>335566905
>private server are not profitable
How much do you pay for retail now? Anyways legacy server won't be free.
did you even read what it said? how does that confirm anything
>>335566985
Because a pure realm would be utter shit. Its nothing like vanilla.
>>335566949
A WHOLE HUNDDY AND FIFFY THUSND PLAYERS
PLAYING A FREE GAME
WOOOOOOOOOW
Where can I tell them that their listed idea of pristine realms is the only thing that could get me to pay for a WoW subscription again?
>>335566852
And you are seriously believing people didn't play nostalrius solely because of he nostalgia.
There's another server called Kronos. Why aren't people playing on that one? Because it doesn't promote nostalgia?
>>335562431
Their idea for "pristine realms" wouldn't even work. Group Finder and cross realm may fucking suck but 90% of the modern servers are so fucking dead you'll never have enough people online, ready, and geared to raid at same time so without them you're never doing anything.
>>335566915
Everyone loves WoD you fucking cuck
>>335567018
>>335567019
So just a fraction of the 3M+ userbase of retail
>>335567018
What was the server capacity of vanilla in terms of concurrent players?
>>335567061
Pfhthahahahahaahah
>>335566949
>How big was the population of Nostalrius?
It magically gets bigger everytime it's mentioned I think Nost was up to 14 million last checked. Far more than blizz. Totally true.
>>335566976
Those codebases are small time - not even close to the complexity of wow.
I do actually work commercially in software and have some experience with the difficulties. I'm telling you it is much more difficult than you insist it is.
Can it at least be to Burning Crusade?
>>335566840
I'd rather subject myself to this than play current WoW and I'm trying to figure out why. We can go further with heal downgrading, no dual-spec, totally useless class specs, and gear imbalance that leads to a rogue in tier 3 having the ability to literally one shot others.
I think it's because vanilla is still more of a complete game. I can level a character (oh yeah and the questing completely falls apart after like 25) without seeing a level 23 priest in full dreadmist, jordan scepter, and riding a corehound in the barrens which an actual gear progression that starts with my shitty patchwork armor leading to actual battlegear all the way to the crazy dragonscale stuff.
>>335566974
Get real, blizzard not doing ot means not doing it, you think some blue came out and speak means it will happen, no way...
They have enough cash cow to keep their money going, while legacy realm aren't even making half of what other game profit is making...
>>335567093
in one area? like couple hundred, across a server probably 1000
>>335567070
Most people don't seem to understand that something like 90% of ''active subscriptions'' for WoW are ''X game-time remaining'' chinese WoW accounts in stasis.
Basically ''subscription'' doesn't exist in China. They buy game-time which is only used up when they're actually logged in. So if they're logged out with 10 minutes game-time remaining, they're registered as ''active subscribers'', which constitutes for something like 90% of the ''subscription base'' for WoW.
In reality there's something like a couple hundred thousand active western subscribers to WoW atm, not more.
>>335567136
While obviously getting TBC would be better than Vanilla, the only reason this debate is happening is because of Nost which was vanilla, not TBC.
So if anything did happen it would be vanilla.
>>335567093
Vanilla servers topped out at 2.5k. Nost was at times unplayable due to overpopulation.
>>335567143
I think to put it in a nutshell, the only thing good about retail is convenience and overall gameplay. Nothing about the experience though even scratches the surface with vanilla.
>>335567070
That number is so baked it's retarded. Go look up how they count chinese and other asian subs. The real number of people currently playing retail is probably as low as 1m-1.5m.
>>335567136
This is the other thing.
If you get vanilla servers, people are going to go:
"Why can't I have a BC server! I liked BC the most."
Personally I wish Blizzard had done all their expansions in parallel (all level 60-70), so we could still be raiding BC raids if we wanted to.
Too late for that now though.
>>>335563802
>All characters intact
>people shouted "give me all your gold, I wanna feel rich" before shutdown
>people Come back, all gold gone and that one rich fuck
>>335567136
>>335567182
I'd be fine up to Wotlk desu, just not Cataclysm please because I want my lvling zones to be intact and consistent, not jumping back and forth on the fucking timeline.
>>335567070
Yes. A server advertised purely through word of mouth, major streamers/youtubers would get DMCA's from blizzard if they attempted to show their play. A server where you had to jump through hoops that might as well be black magic to the average retarded video game player to even log in. A server where the constant threat of a shut down was always looming. A server with high ping from the US, and pretty frequent crashes.
That server had more players than any blizzard server. The market is huge.
>>335567121
Blizzard committed genocide of that many players?
>>335567236
Wotlk was shit, no server for you.
>>335563852
>it works really hard
Nigger I did it on a fucking dell office computer in like 2 weeks in 2009
Its really not that hard, the difference is to getting it blizz like, that part is hard
But thats only hard because you have to throw numbers at a wall to see if it even works/gets to that level
>>335567174
wasn't china a few patches or expac behind aswell or am I retarded
>>335567182
>>335567236
TBC and Wotlk were shit senpaitachi. The real question is if pristine realms are on WoD/Legion content or vanilla.
>>335567238
You forgot the most important point: It was free.
>>335567121
I've only heard the consistent 150,000 players estimate. There were 800,000 unique accounts made, but the active playerbase per month was about 150,000 people. On a fucking private server that you have to go out of your way to download and set up yourself.
>>335562691
Why would Blizzard want an incomplete reverse-engineered version of their own database?
>>335562595
whats this guys youtube channel
>>335567203
Made leveling impossible at times.
>>335567317
>most important point:
Was that it is vanilla.
Price is irrelevant. People want to pay for a vanilla server.
>>335567143
>getting mad at random player who decided to twink out for leveling
It's a game anon, you can take it seriously but don't get butthurt over how someone else chooses to level.
>>335567174
That's not how the sub count works
it's based off how many people paid blizz for time within the last month
so if you bought time six months ago but never used it it wouldn't count
>>335567305
They'd be current content, how is that hard to understand
>>335567337
because money?
>>335567317
Who cares? 15 dollars a month isnt noticeable to ANYONE except kids and third worlders.
I didnt meet any kids on nost, and the third worlders were mostly chinese gold sellers who would pay anyway.
I dont know a single person who played nost because it was free.
>>335567337
Because they lost there database in a tragic boating accident
>>335566873
Not him but
>my cow is sick what should I do
>I can buy it medicine
>or I can let it waste away as I eat doritos
>Nah i'd do the latter
WoW pumps in billions of dollars
Turning a loss into a profit is objectively better 100% than letting it waste money
Especially true if its not at the money loss level yet
>>335567380
>so if you bought time six months ago but never used it it wouldn't count
Does this account for chinese accounts aswell?
>>335567056
Holy shit anon, go back and read tthe post you responded to. It said that nostalgia is a bad argument as to why people play Nostalrius, since Nost has been running for a significant period of time. If it were just nostalgia (and not actual quality and fun), it would have died very quickly.
>>335567429
>WoW pumps in billions of dollars
No it doesnt
Blizzard should get a clue.
>>335562431
>"You think you do, but you don't" - J. Allen Brack
Kek.
>>335567061
>WOD dropped the ball so hard they had to hide their sub numbers
Sure about that?
>>335566819
>I'm pretty sure we will see legacy server soon
Not so close to the release of Legion, and not for a long time afterward.
Releasing any kind of legacy/classic/pristine/whatever server might cut into the sales of the xpac.
Unless they make owning the latest expansion a requirement to play on those servers.
>>335562653
This.
They'll do anything to get themselves out of actually making legacy servers, even if it means making a half-baked idea for a server that's designed to fail.
>>335562431
Speaking from a purely legal perspective, Blizzard is wrong. Not wrong in the sense that they don't have the right to protect their IP, but wrong in the sense that they HAVE to go after private servers to protect their IP.
This is actually false. They lose nothing from having said private servers up (and could very easily sanction it without any danger to their IP), if they were doing anything silly with trademarks then yes they could lose it.
A private server is no different from a high profile mod such as Long War, or even what Sega's doing recently by publically sanctioning rom hacks. Both of those are legal, and have no active repercussions for the company should they choose to 'live and let live'.
Source: Lawyer
>>335567493
DELETE THIS
>>335567418
Yep. This is right. There's not a single fucking person I've ever talked to who was playing Nost just cause it was free. Their primary reason was, "I wanna play vanilla" and "I just hate current WoW". Price was never an issue. I guarantee people would pay for a vanilla server. I'd pay for a vanilla server. My friends would pay for a vanilla server. I'm almost convinced that current WoW is more niche than vanilla WoW.
>>335567456
I did read it and I understood perfectly. This thing is that nostalrius did run solely on nostalgia.
>>335567121
Every source I've seen has said 150,000 active
Thats big by private sever standards
>>335567520
We all know Blizzard are lying hacks, this is nothing new.
>>335566552
>Why do people act like vanilla wow was super hardcore content that's way harder than anything new
That is because it's exactly like that in terms of levelling, something you're not even thinking about because you're too deeply steeped in the max-level raiding mindset. A mindset you can get into instantly with level boosting and the easy levelling of after-vanilla content.
>>335567331
>There were 800,000 unique accounts made
See there's that magically getting bigger. No one's got any real proof so the numbers being thrown around should be taken with salt.
You'd be a fool to think Nost players aren't inflating the numbers a bit to give their argument more weight.
If the numbers are ture that's pretty good for a private sever. But unless someone has a link to nost admins database info, I'm sticking with magic inflatable numbers.
>>335567493
But anon, if you just take modern amazing, perfect, ultimate WoW and remove LFG it will be BETTER than vanilla and TBC combined. Surely that's the only issue with it.
>>335567438
yes that's what i just said
western account the time runs out weather or not u use it
>>335562431
>Turn off all leveling acceleration
>No Group Finder
The playerbase is already stretched thin across several dozen servers, how the fuck do they expect this to work? Do they not remember how slow leveling was in Vanilla?
This is going to be an Ashran-tier mistake. People are going to go 'ah finally!' and then realize how fucking shitty it is when reality doesn't match the dream.
>>335567507
>Releasing any kind of legacy/classic/pristine/whatever server might cut into the sales of the xpac.
NO.ONE.WANTING.VANILLA.PLAYS.MODERN.GARBAGE.WOW.THERE.IS.NO.SALES.TO.CUT.YOU.BRAIN.DEAD.FUCK.
>>335566417
But what the fuck does that have to do with Blizzard? They can't "fuck up" legacy if they just release the game as it was then.
>>335563934
>fairly long
Depends on the person
If you know what you are doing its 2 weeks
if you don't it takes 3 months
>>335567583
>go 'ah finally!' and then realize how fucking shitty it is when reality doesn't match the dream.
Except literally no one wants this pure server shit, and people play and love vanilla
>>335567507
>Unless they make owning the latest expansion a requirement to play on those servers.
stop anon you're giving them ideas.
>>335567418
>>335567531
the plural of anecdote is not data
>>335567618
someone playing current wow might play it instead you idiot
>>335567567
I know you're being a piece of shit for dumb ass reasons, but here you go. I took your bait.
https://en.nostalrius.org/medias/small_info1.jpg
>>335562860
That's only about 20% of the cancer they've added to the game over the years. They'd have to entirely rebalance the content.
>>335567531
>I'm almost convinced that current WoW is more niche than vanilla WoW.
FUCKING THIS. Look at RuneScape. Even if they did introduce Bonds to Old School RuneScape which personally put me off from playing it, it's WAY more popular than ''main RuneScape'' (which is pure garbage), 99% of RuneScape streamers on twitch are from OSR, and 99% of the ''commnity'' is from OSR, not RS3.
Vanilla WoW would achieve the exact same effect. Imagine the various types of streams. World pvp streams, raid streams, even fucking regular dungeon streams.
>>335567567
>See there's that magically getting bigger
No, it's not.
You're just too retarded to know the difference between accounts created, active players and peak concurrent players.
>>335562431
BLIZZKEKS BTFO
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT
>>335567618
I'm sure there's a decent amount of people who are unable to quit but still cry for legacy servers.
>>335567618
You're assuming that anyone who currently plays WoW wouldn't drop Legion in favor of just playing on a classic server. Which is a pretty stupid assumption to make.
Unclench your anus and think for a second.
>>335562860
People only want content that existed before Burning Crusade. That means, no flying mounts, no new gear, no lvl 70/80/85/90/100, no DK/Monk, no undead hunters and none of the content changes post classic (nerfs, cataclysm etc).
Pristine and Legacy servers are completely different, as a lot of content from Vanilla was overridden in Cataclysm and all the classes have new abilities, talents and buffs/nerfs over patches and expansions.
so the level cap would still be 100, with the same shit like garrisons and the same shitty endgame raids
the only difference is you level slower and you need to travel to dungeons?
this is not legacy
>>335567493
more like
>this game is awesome, let's tell our friends about it
>game has reached the saturation point
>people start getting bored of game, no matter what blizzard does
but nah if only everything had stayed just the same the game would keep growing and growing forever
All this Vanilla vs current retail argument is pointless. BC was clearly the peak.
>>335567471
>tokens cost 20
>normal subs
>cosmetic shop for pets and mounts
>character serives for faction/race/server/name changes
>buy a quick 90/100 boost
I mean if you got some proof of wow's income you can show us then we'd might believe you.
>>335567493
fixed ur image
>>335567658
As opposed to all the data you have that proves people were playing cause it was free?
>>335567734
Blizzard are too stupid to know the difference
>>335564845
>could be to improve the game
Lets define "improve" because by the numbers their money is doing DAMAGE, not repairing shit
If their numbers were on the rise I'd say you have a point but you don't
People don't want it
they want vanilla/TBC/WoTK
People are coming out of the fucking woodwork to bitch at blizzard for fucking everything up
>>335567570
Well isn't that kinda the same thing anyways? The chinese accounts are not constantly paying as is implied with ''subscription''
>>335567665
>wow, a neat graphic! that must mean it's true!
you are like so gullible
>>335567629
O they will find a way, probably forget to include all the content patches or something
>>335567734
YOURE GONNA LIKE IT
Awful lot of wishful thinking from Nostalrius people.
Why would you take out dungeon finder? That's the best thing that's happened to this game. The problem is that it needs to not fucking teleport you there. You should still have to run to the instance and summon people. Also, the dungeons are too easy. They need to make them harder so you need to use chat.
Sorry, but sitting in trade chat LFG for hours was not fun.
>>335567767
You made the claim it makes billions today, you provide proof you lying shit
>>335562431
Huh. When I first saw the petition start growing rapidly I said their half baked response and complete misunderstanding of what people desire for vanilla would be a copy of modern WoW trying to emulate standard aspects of vanilla by just having everything rescaled to a level 60 cap and all the CRZ/flying/group finder removed.
I was almost right, except the cap.
Kind of sad that using the thought process of "How can someone retardedly bungle this request" ended up being so close to how Blizzard actually thinks.
>>335567768
>>335567493
lamo forgot my image
>>335567642
Except for the people who pine for anything wow-related before the modern version.
>>335567520
>source: random shit
Need to post degree and actual law facts showing what they can and can't do.
Talking our of your ass isn't a source.
>>335564881
>battle net didn't exist 12 years ago
It was around in the fucking 90s
The fuck are you talking about
You are literally talking out of your ass
>>335562431
So basically modern wow with graphics and new content but without all the bullshit that took it to the ground? If they also remove transmog, flying mounts and bring back the challenge it would be literally PERFECT. Blizzard managed to BTFO both nostcucks and blizzcucks in one move, it's like the overwatch controversy again.
Also
>people bitching about removing cross realms
didn't cross realm kill the sense of server community? Nostcucks confirmed for hypocrites again.
No, they're not.
Literally that post says is "we'd let them do it if we didn't love money so much. ask again in 5 years and we might turn off the casualized facebook/twitter shit."
>>335567790
if they haven't purchased game time in the past month they have game time on their account but are not an active subscriber and are not counted
>>335567825
MoP overall was better than WotLK, desu. The only good thing about WotLK was Ulduar and Arthas.
>>335567752
BC > Vanilla > Dirty rotten feces > current retail
>>335567809
But most people ITT seem to realize that pristine =/= legacy.
>>335567750
>people start getting bored of game, no matter what blizzard does
>but nah if only everything had stayed just the same the game would keep growing and growing forever
Which is exactly what was happening with Nostalrius, despite all the many risks associated with playing on a private server.
>>335564881
>Battle.net was launched on November 30, 1996, with the release of Blizzard's action-role-playing video game Diablo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle.net
>>335564881
>Do you undersdtand the technology differance from 12 years ago? Batlenet didn't exist during vanilla.
They have a team converting D2 and WC3 to modern BNet right now, so no it's not an insurmountable BNet issue.
>>335567825
>wait a while to play WoD
>hear the "Orclords of Orcnor" complaint thrown around a lot
>think people are just being dramatic
>actually play it
>"Orclords of Orcnor" is actually a fucking understatement
>Blizz announces 6.2 shortly after I picked it up
>literally a new zone filled entirely with Orcs
>>335567815
FUCK OFF
I would never pay for a legacy or pristine server.
The times in the past are to be remembered not to be relived on nose um. For one needs to move on from the past.
Those who are crying and screaming for legacy or pristine serves seek to relive those times. The times that they had many friends. The time when times were good for them. Rather then the poo the lives they have gained. When the only friends they have are those online, and not in the real world. They seek a world that dose not conform to reality, but rather to their own conception of how the the world must run.
They say that the world was inclusive in the old days. It was inclusive if you were in particular guilds and with the right equipment. Otherwise the world was a harsh and demeaning way of life that could only be seen in such a way as positive via the rose colored glasses.
The world must move forward otherwise it creates stagnation and death. For if one does not move forward, then they are trapped in the past. Shut in such a way that all improvements in the field are shut out and can not be obtained. They would rather create stagnation rather then creation and innovation.
>>335567681
Do you though? By that account we know for a fact that WoW has over 12million accounts created. We don't know current active but last they said it was still over 3million. No idea on concurrent.
12million accoutns vs 800k. Hmmmm yeah I think i understand the differance between an offical company reporting and some dinky private server desperate to show off.
>>335567887
>mop overall was better than WOTLK
im laughing. MoP had all the stupid shit WOTLK implemented, PLUS the stupid shit Cata implemented, PLUS the stupid shit it implemented
im actually laughing @ you
>>335567945
is this copy pasted from the blizz forums? i feel like it is
>>335567842
care to provide some proof for those numbers isntead of just pasting a link to the very same image you posted in the same post like a tard? no? didnt think so
>what nostalrius players read
>>335567896
>>335567852
clearly talking about the modern battle.net launcher and account systems
>>335567734
you think you don't want it but you do
>>335567945
>This entire post
>>335567340
https://www.youtube.com/user/takeSomeCrime
>>335567734
They flat out said it wasn't legacy. They flat out said its difficult for them to impelment a legacy server (meaning connect it to their current system.)
Pristine is the middle ground they can offer. And since most of the verbal complaints are abuot stuff liek leveling too fast and LFG tool. Well guess what, that's what they can remove.
I think that investing in actual Legacy Servers no Pristine servers will be very valuable for Blizzard, because if Legion is a flop it is very likely that WoW will fade from relevancy as an MMO, at least in the west. Having Legacy servers will guarantee them at least a small (300-500k) playerbase of loyalists who will enjoy what is being given to them as long as it doesn't change.
Personally, I don't really care what happens to WoW since it fell off of my radar years ago. I was off and on during MoP and when Warlords came out I saw exactly where WoW was heading and jumped ship. I'm not planning to come back to Legion, but it will be fun to see what happens.
I think I'll try one of those weeb MMOs like TERA or Black Desert Online.
>>335567945
>projection the post
The game fun because of the challenge
Everyone WASN'T made equal, and thus the game was fun because when you WERE that ultimate badass you and everyone around you knew it
>>335568063
>Pristine is the middle ground they can offer
They can shove it up their asses. The game itself fucking sucks, LFG or not.
>>335567968
What the fuck are you even trying to say?
>>335568063
>They flat out said its difficult for them to impelment a legacy server
it's difficult to do ANYTHING video game related. How is this an excuse? Making a new server is hard, a new expansion is hard, balancing is hard. Everthing is hard
>>335562431
>Translation: Lets wait 2 years and see Legion lose us another 5 million subs, then we'll freak out and release legacy too little too late
>>335562431
>none could be executed without great difficulty
>tremendous operational challenges
give me a fucking break
Fuck off entitled nostalrius shits. Modern wow is better than "classic" on all objective levels
>>335564881
>Batlenet didn't exist during vanilla.
this is your average blizzcuck lmao
if it's worth working out battle.net integration for the flop that is Heroes of the Storm, it's worth it for legacy servers 500k+ people will subscribe to.
>>335568169You're right, but I don't care.
>>335567665
I'm the one you responded to and well. I'm not going to believe a random picture you posted. It's very easy to edit. I'm not going to believe a link to that pic either.
I want the info from nost admins, showing their database numbers. Irrefutable proof.
No one is goign to have it but the nost admins though. highly doubt they'll share that info with blizzard breathing down their necks.
>>335568152
hard==NOT FUCKING WORTH THE MONEY
read in between the lines
>>335568196
>encouraging the incorrect usage of words with defined terms by underage children
>>335567890
So you think that Nostalrius would've lasted as long as WoW did? How many people would realistically play a game that doesn't get any new content for 5+ years.
Alright boys, lets list what they would have to remove to make actually decent "pristine" servers. I'll start.
>the wow store in its entirety
>LFD
>all raid modes but mythic
>all CRZ of any kind (bring back battlegroups if you need bigger pools for PVP)
>garrisons
>flying
>heirlooms
>>335568063
I bet if people pressured them for more they'd cave
its not that fucking hard, if literally people around the world can reverse engineer via fucking packet data in their garage the people who fucking built the game can unearth their old files and plug it into a computer
Especially if this company had billions of dollars
Jesus someone get Bobby on this
He'd have a fucking aneurysm from hearing this shit
>>335568087
You sound like a bully who exploited his way to the top and didn't want anyone to topple him from his petal stool.
>>335568169
>my subjective opinion is better than your subjective opinion also mine is objective
>>335567890
Nostalrius is a fraction of the playerbase of blizzard WoW even though it's free so if you honestly think WoW wouldn't be even deader if it was still vanilla you're delusional
>>335568183
>posting diablo
>clearly NOT vanilla wow
Thank you for proving my point. Let me know when you can show vanilla wow having b.net connections.
>>335568241
>implying implications
>>335568169
have fun sitting in your garrison mate
>>335568215
>I want the info from nost admins, showing their database numbers.
You'd claim that those are fabricated too.
>>335568264
>the people who fucking built the game
That's not these guys.
>>335568235
What money? They just need to pay their employees the salary that they already get paid every month
>>335568264
>bobby's face when he hears 100's of thousands of people wanting to pay him for a game he already made
>>335568241
Are you talking about 'objective'? Because that one is actually true, the game has had a LOT of bug fixes over the decade.
>>335568250
>what they would have to remove to make actually decent "pristine" servers.
Every bit of content made after 1.12
>>335568342
OPPORTUNITY
COST
Tell me what's bad about Warlords of Draenor without using the garrison meme because we all know that's bullshit
>>335568250
>Harder quests
>Group quests
>Class quests
>Immersion stuff such as: buying poisons, arrows, meeting echanters, learning abilities from trainers etc. etc.
>Battlegroups for arena and battlegrounds must be the only form of cross realm
>Old talents
>Bringing back pruned abilities
And so on.
>>335568264
Money can't buy evertything. When you can explain how the magically fix the combatibility issued between 12 years of tech then you'd have an argument.
Bobby is probably the one forcing the lawsuit cause it's easy money.
>>335568294
Yes anon, that is exactly what you did. Posting a non-response does not change this.
>>335568250
everything retail IS FUCKING SHIT
I really like the "no lfg" feature. It gives the sense of community back in a way.
>>335568427
I regret to inform you that your insistence doesn't make it so. Please learn what words mean.
>>335568250
Absolutely every new piece of content, and every new feature, except the "show low level quests" option on the minimap.
>>335568273
Terrible logic, you automatically assume if you want vanilla you'd play Nost.
I'd pay for retail legacy but I never played Nost solely because I wasn't investing time into a character on a private server that could be wiped away for a myriad of reasons.
>>335568356
>implying Activision was part of Blizzard in vanilla.
>>335568404
>tell me what's bad about WoD without mentioning the biggest flaw in the expansion
I don't even care about legacy servers but come on, man
>>335568475
Words have definitions, some words are even operationally defined. Words do not mean certain definitions purely because one person says that they do.I see that there will be no civil debate about this so I'll refrain from wasting my time.
>>335568390
So what?
I'd deal with bugs if it meant that I could play WoW when there was actually a sense of connection with fellow players in groups, rather than "alright, you 4/10/20 fuckos are coming with me on this dungeon/raid and then I'll dispose of you and we'll never meet again"
>>335568265
A game where a two warring factions compete in literally all situations in both millitary, economic and socially(playerbase/guilds) features the average player working to become above the average player and being the deciding factor for his/her faction in the grander scheme of things?
Wow it almost sounds fun doesn't it rather than hand holding around a campfire
Eat shit faggot, I loved burning down tarren mill as a warlock and watching Undead players scramble like roaches, and they did the same to our low levels, its the world we knew and what we loved, it was a war perceptually and its what we want to this day
Now fuck off and learn2english
>>335566268
>You don't see people whining to play old versions of dota
But people do bitch they want older versions back
valve ruined dota
>>335568401
You're using that term incorrectly.
Starting up legacy servers is not a choice which locks them out of other options.
>>335568404
all 5mans all raids all classes pvp the questing everything.
>>335568529
I doubt that highly. You are on 4chan of all places, refusing to properly communicate an idea no less.
>>335568440
>I really like the "no lfg" feature. It gives the sense of community back in a way.
Except modern WoW's "community" is insipid garbage, LFG or not you are not having a good time with them.
A legacy servers lack of instant gratification and much longer progression times would help filter those players out of the server, stopping the issue of having to deal with them.
>>335566874
Lol, stay small scrub. Maybe if they release Vanilla again you can be good this time.
>>335568524
Too much story focus on Blizzard's shitty OC's like Yrel.
>>335568404
FOUR FUCKING RAID MODES
>finally down the final boss on mythic, the culmination of months of effort clearing this challenging content
>i've literally already seen him die 100+ times
>>335568550
Haha I'm glad theres' no more players like you in real WoW anymore, you sound so toxic I can't even.
Thread capped. Start a new one, with more food analogies.
Wow it's literally nothing.
Get over it, fellas. Blizzard will never implement vanilla servers.
>>335568413
>Harder quests
Were never hard. Go to he AH and buy a slight weapon upgrade. Easy mode.
>Group quests
Were ignored because finding a group wa s pain and replacing somone midway thru the quest chain was even worse.
>Class quests
Fun, interesting. I'd love to have them back but fucking expensive and made you trek all over to waste time.
>Immersion stuff such as: buying poisons, arrows, meeting echanters, learning abilities from trainers etc. etc.
All of this is QoL changes. Hunters and rogues would just be bitching abuot bag space. Everyone would be bitching abuot skill training costs, just liek they did back in vanilla.
>Battlegroups for arena and battlegrounds must be the only form of cross realm
Upping queue times will not make pvp more popular.
>Old talents
We're generic shit. No better than what we have now. 3 choices per tier isn't no better than 5/5 for 5%crit. Going back to one shitty system over the other is not a good thing.
>Bringing back pruned abilities
Most of which did nothing useful. If you want crap on your bar put some usable items or toys on them. They probaly do more than a rogue using disam on a mob that's iummune or on everyone on pvp who wears weapon chains.
>>335568534
The point that I was making was that modern wow is objectively better than vanilla wow. Which technically it is, plummeting subscribers notwithstanding.
Just calm down people, it's obviously they would remove stuff like garrisons or the easy leveling for pristine servers otherwise what would be the point? They've already doing it in legion by nerfing garrisons and make the world scale with the player and not otherwise like in WoD. Things like transmog and flying mounts are there to stay i fear tho', world pvp was never popular and transmog is liked by many. But if they do it right this move could very well save wow.
>>335568243
It doesn't have to last as long. A private server managed to grow continuously for a year, you don't seem to realise what an achievement that was.
>>335568273
It was a pretty significant fraction. WoW almost managed to reach its peak with the vanilla game and just a single expansion, everything else (mid-WotLK onwards) was just riding on the coattails of their previous success.
Besides, Mark Ken has already revealed original WoW estimates and their profitability. One million amounts to double of their expectations, which is phenomenally huge.
>>335568336
>Blizz-activison
>implying they dont interact with each other>>335568519
>>335568420
>money cant solve everything
Yes it can, since it pays people to do their fucking job
Exactly what "compability" issue are we talking
everyone keeps using it like a meme but I want the actual error codes in front of me before I believe this
They recently updated Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2 to work on modern operating systems
So why not WoW?
also vanilla worked on modern systems without any modification already, shit thats how nost was running it
>>335568508
well that's nothing in the face of the fact that it's free and anyone can play it without paying a subscription fee
the idea that the game based on consuming content would actually grow instead of die if it remained the same for a whole decade is so utterly delusional
>>335562431
If they don't want your money just go to Kronos for free. It's Russian hosted so good fucking luck having them take it down.
>>335564495
Move here
Do you guys remember when Community Managers were real people who were allowed to have their own opinions, not just parrots who say what the higher ups tell them to do? I remember Aeus saying multiple times how there things he wanted in game that his bosses didn't like and vice-versa. Now you can tell they're given a list of talking points to cover and they fill in the gaps with meaningless customer-friendly words.
>>335568243
What about a vanilla game that gets new content in a vanilla style andd doesn't rape the lore?
>>335568631
>implying I would play boring pve
lmao
>>335568663
>so toxic I can't even
>faggot detected
Hows baby's first themepark?
I guess they should take out PVP, bad words and any sense of urgency so that it won't be "toxic" for you
>>335568685
>were never hard
you're a retard. A level 40 warrior questing in a level 40 zone was fucking dead if he pulled an extra mob or two.
>ignored
Yeah, ignoring group quests sounds like a great way to miss out on essential xp meaning shittons more grinding, as well as missing out on gear you need to keep leveling.
>all this is QoL stuff
Your "QoL" would be much higher if you instantly got all the drops you needed from a boss the first time you killed him, would that be a good change?
>Upping queue times will not make pvp more popular
Probably not, but bringing back some actual rivalry and dislike between the players on each faction might.
>We're generic shit. No better than what we have now. 3 choices per tier isn't no better than 5/5 for 5%crit. Going back to one shitty system over the other is not a good thing.
Hybrid builds immediately make the old system objectively more interesting.
>Most of which did nothing useful.
Why is that relevant? What do we gain by having less abilities on our bars? its not like you run out of space unless you are something ridiculous like a shaman.
>>335566815
>Firemaw
>OT's taunt misses a few seconds before Wing Buffet
>MT is hit by Wing Buffet
>The boss turns around, due to DPS getting aggro and Shadow Breathes the whole raid
>>335568765
>Do you guys remember when Community Managers were real people who were allowed to have their own opinions
never?
"Community Managers" are literally there to lie to you
thats their job
>>335564924
>And yet Nostalrius devs did it
wow Nostalrius worked with modern battle net? That's really impressive!
>>335568646
All of Warcraft is Blizzard's OC, anon.
>mfw pristine is EXACTLY what legacy playerbase wants
they could even bump mob damage and health by 3x to make it "not so easy"
they would still bitch and complain, because its not "vanilla"
>mfw they get the "community" they ask for this way
>they get a "difficult" experience
anyone who is negative of this system is just a crybaby fuck face
LFR is removed in pristine
they could make normal= heroic heroic=mythic again and people would STILL COMPLAIN
>>335562431
But I thought I didn't want it.
>>335568964
Not him but a lot of Warcraft had Warhammer elements very early on. I forget the exact details but I'm sure some anon has them.
>>335568980
>Still modern shit WoW world, dungeon, quest, class and PvP design
Nope, solves nothing.
>>335568980
>mfw pristine is EXACTLY what legacy playerbase wants
Is this more "I said a thing and this means it is true while speaking for an entire population sample size" nonsense?
>>335569015
I know. I mean more "OC DO NOT STEAL" OC
>>335567056
Actually Kronos are making a new server now because of massive population spikes, people obviously didn't play on it before because of Nost?????????
>>335568404
content intended for release delayed for months, trashran, 1 actual raid patch and unnecessary pruning in some cases
>>335568980
This, i can't believe how people would cry over anything that's not exactly what they want. And before you quote me with stuff like "it's still the shit content with removed QoLs" just wait and see what they will do to exp, if they remove gear scaling, if they make the leveling and content harder etc. they just pitched an idea basically, if it's just WoD without the QoLs then it would be shit but i want to believe they are not that retarted and they will also remove/fix other stuff.
>>335568631
>He thinks he's good because he grinded BGs every day to rank up
Yup been there done that too. Rank 14 get @ me. No idea why someone would want to do that again either.
>>335569018
>implying a damage and health modifier on mobs in dungeons make it the same difficulty
>implying world pvp is a thing after bgs and fly mounts
><20 vanilla class quests woopie
>'pvp design' oh you mean class imbalance
>>335569110
does kronos have alot of quest bugs or bugs in general outside of hunter pet pathing?
>>335569075
Gotcha, anon.
>>335569216
And the level thing, people complain about how fast it is even without heirlooms
If they reverted each level gap to how it were before the added the level exp crunches during expacs, you would never outlevel a zone again
but nah 'isnt vanilla, dont care'
>>335562431
AND YOU WILL PAY FOR IT! GOOD JOB! YOU WON! THEY LOST! HAHA
idiots
>>335568685
Not him but
>buying gear off auction house
maybe the first half of the game, after awhile there is no real AH upgrades as everything in dungeons are objectively better
>group quests
>ignored
Not really, some quests were not needed/rarely done but the big ones were quite memorable and everyone did them due to their rewards
I'd say Mid game was were it was less needed except for dungeons obviously
>Class quests were expensive/took alot of time
I'd say it would be to prevent the good shit form simply being everywhere, I'd agree with you a few years ago but after playing a WW2 MMO and having an m1/m2 carbine under not so hard requirements it turned the game from a classic Medal of honor type game to a very real gear check
>Immersive stuff is bad
>people bitched
I did a warlock in vanilla(the person who can bitch the most) and while I did have times where it would piss me off, not really due to how much power I could pump out compare to others
>Old talents
I can agree with you there, but at that point we have a new arguement/problem
>Pruned abilities are bad
I'm unsure what was pruned over the years(I stopped playing awhile ago) but I remember disarm being a fucking monster in pvp if you didn't have a weapon chain(lifesteal or weapon chain? your call m8)
>>335562431
BASED blizzard catering to blizzcucks and intelligent nostcucks in one move, people that are crying because it's not a perfect emulation of the 2006 game are irrelevant and no one would listen to them anyway, stupid poorfags. Pre-ordering Legion right now, pristine wow with the PVP talent tree and class balance is gonna be so much fun.
>>335565043
So how did fucking nobody frogs manage to reverse engineer it?
>>335568735
Nost was continuously adding new features and patches as time went on.
Nost was continuously growing.
Stop being a fucking retard with your ass-pulled "10 years of service" expectations. Nobody thought about such a long period, not even the original WoW team. You do what you can and see how things turn out and in Nostalrious' case, things were turning out spectacularly - exactly how they did for the original VANILLA WOW.
If you don't see the obvious signs of success then you're a retard who'll never be anything more than a dumb wageslave.
>>335569382
You should read this thread through and tell me people are going to pay for this again.
The only people who are buying this shit is like r/wow and r/games
>>335569514
the people that ran nost didnt reverse engineer anything, it was the people who created the mangoscore who did it
mangos is opensource, nost just used it and updated stuff
and it took nost 5+ years to get to the point its at
>>335568931
Is this the "reason" that blizzard wouldn't do it? because all I'm hearing is the same fucking meme myth repeated
If blizzard can fucking update diablo 2 and Warcraft 3 to work on modern operating systems and modern battlenet they can fucking do it on a already built to functional standard vanilla wow
ESPECALLY if we are talking burning crusade and up since Battlenet 2.0 came out in 2009
So its not "12 year old technology"
its three
>>335569670
>these randoms didn't do it
>another group of randoms did
Doesn't fucking matter, Mangoscore didn't have billions of dollars
>it took 5 years to start Nost
You got a source on that? because that seems pretty different than their progression system they have/had
>>335569694
d2 and w3 are in the battle.net desktop client?
d2 and w3 have built in battle.net support where your ingame tickets go to your account page ?
d2 and w3 require you to have an active wow account linked to it that uses it sub fee to pay for the server?
etc
>>335569876
http://vanilla-wow.wikia.com/wiki/Nostalrius_Begins
>Nostalrius had been developed since 2010 by more than 16 developers.
>>335569897
http://us.battle.net/en/games/classic
>blizzard somehow manages to keep legacy games seperate, functional and still able to be bought
>wow is impossible apparently
Get bent, you don't need battlenet to get the game functional which is their real gripe about it(getting it to work)
You don't need a modern battlenet account to play the old games and yet it STILL fucking works
Why couldn't I use my battlenet account from 06 to run vanilla/TBC?
There is no fucking reason why it can't work and don't give me "its hard"
You chucklefucks have billions of dollars yet pay people to bitch on an imageboard instead of working on the damn game
>>335569947
>5 years
>only 16 people working on it
Alright, how many people work on WoW/ how much money does blizzard have versus Nost?
>>335570170
i think they have the core code thats on the cd but not the bugfixes and patches, and there comes the nostalrius team, they scripted everything already
>>335570248
Even if thats true for some wild fucking reason the work is already done then
hell even the scope of development is done as well since everyone seemed to love the idea of progression system
>>335570219
>5 years
>they arent even the ones who reverse engineered it in the first place
>mangos has been updating their core for 8 years which all private servers are based off of
>blizz cant use mangos so they would need to reverse engineer it themselves, then script everything over again if they dont have original code
>>335570357
>They need to reverse engineer their own material
oh fucking wow
there is literally no reason they wouldn't have the source code of older versions otherwise then it IS legally abandonware
Its literally wishful thinking to believe they don't have their own game code anymore
>>335570479
SO WHY DONT THEY JUST POP IT IN ANON
>>335570526
"You think you do, but you don't"- Blizzard
>>335569947
16 devs on free time. But even still.
Lets say average sw developer makes 3000 euros a month (that might be on a lower side). Thats 16x3000= 48 000 a month. Now lets multiply that by 12 so we get the yearly pay = 576 000. Now let's multiply that with the 5 years they spent 2880 000. Now if you add all the benefits and employer costs you can easily multiply that with 1.5.
So vanilla servers that would be in the state compared to Nostalrius could easily cost blizzard over 4 million. And thats not counting server upkeep, customer service, moderators etc.
I mean blizzard makes a lot of money but they have to carefully weight in the benefits before committing. And this is a hard move to explain to investors. Your average investor won't understand the logic behind "We'll make a worse, older version of our game to get more money!"
>>335568593
>>335568653
>>335569148
So basically nothing
Garrisons are optional aside from the Tanaan Jungle starting quest which takes 5 minutes.
You idiots just needed to leave your fucking garrison
>>335570665
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Video_Game_Designer/Salary
>58,000 dollars a year
>>335570665
average game dev makes about 60,000
Old school wow(aka circa 6 million if I recall) raked in about a billion dollars(1.1 billion If I recall)
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