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http://operationrainfall.com/2016/04/24/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-altered-western-release/
This enough to stop you from playing? Or will it be like Fates or Xenoblade Chronicles X where it's no big deal?
K...K...K...K...K-K-K-K
>>335413852
Only buying the special edition to see if i can sell it for profit later, nintendo can eat shit
Don't care. Just wanna play it
>>335414018
After Devil's Third getting a reprint, I doubt it
I bet it's to keep their ESRB rating down. I guess they don't think a "Mature" rated game with high impact sexual violence will sell.
>>335414018
>People are getting tricked into doing this still
>They think shit games will resell
>They don't remember Devil's Third
Is NoA doing the localization?
Oh no! We can't see implied anime titties! Grow up you fucking virgins. Besides, covered breasts make them look better and gives off an aura of mystique.
I hate idolshit outside of porn so I wasn't planning on touching it anyway.
>>335414219
That's retarded, Persona 4 had an M rated and it's retardedly popular
>>335414219
Ur dum
>>335414219
I don't know why though, they could probably rate it M for Mature like Persona 4, it wouldn't deter the target audience. I guess rating it T is better since they can walk into gamestop without needing ID to buy a game they want???
>>335414393
Atlus is, NoA is just "supervising" it.
>>335414393
They're publishing the game, that means they pay for it to be manufactured and released, market it, and have directive control of anything regarding it even after signing on a different company to actually do the localization, in this case Atlus USA.
>>335413852
>This enough to stop you from playing?
>implying the game itself didn't stop me from playing the moment it outed itself as retarded weeb garbage that has nothing to do with FE or SMT
I'm still going to buy it. Enjoy your shitpost thread.
>>335414778
>he wont get the hot tub dlc
>>335413852
I think its insane they need to fucking cover up regular swim suits. Who the fuck does Nintendo think even plays these games?
This isn't even about censorship brigade, it's fucking about Nintendo being an incompetent fucking mess. I swear, I will never purchase anything Nintendo after this game. I don't even care anymore.
The Wii U and 3DS have been just a depressing affair, and I try to find confidence and hope in the company, but they keep tripping on their own feet. Fuck them.
>>335414745
I hate that the game was changed so much in development. How hard would it have been to just make even Devil Survivor with a loose thread of a plot as a spinoff, instead of making PERFORMAS and IDORUS?
>>335414778
>posts pic of hot springs dlc, which is probably cut out
Enjoy your butchered gamr anon
>Atlus localizing under close supervision from NOA.
Atlus needs to pack up and leave the N camp. Probably already thinking about it.
>>335414864
This, Etrian Odyssey 5 is the final Nintendo game I'm buying only because I love EO and I know that it'll never get censored.
Still baffles my mind how this relates to SMT or FE in anyway...
>>335415012
All we can hope for is their games to be flops so Nintendo stops financing them and loses money.
They deserve every loss coming their way.
>>335415012
Imagine what would happen if Persona 4 was translated under Nintendo at this point
Nah, what stopped me from getting it is how bastardized the FE characters are to the point that you can't even recognize them.
I can tolerate everything else but that, Fuck this game.
>localized game published by nintendo
I wasn't going to buy it in the first place. It looks like trash
>The point of SMTxFE was how fucked up the Idol industry actually is.
>Every other aspect of SMTxFE was just awful in comparison.
>Censor the only thing that makes SMTxFE worth playing
>People still want to play it
...why?
Reviews are good so I'm gonna play it. It looks fun.
>>335414745
Keep spouting that meme.
>>335415298
weebs and nintendofans will literally eat shit from iwatas anus
>>335413852
Still getting it, as I really want to play it. I'll try and find it used though. I'm also not buying any more Nintendo systems until they stop this censorship bullshit. I've had every system (except for Virtual Boy) that they've released so far, but I'm done with them after the Wii U and 3DS die. I've always been an idort anyways, so I doubt it will be difficult to do.
>>335414862
That's literally just a movie and costumes. You'd get the same experience watching it on youtube.
>>335415298
That's actually the first good argument I've heard about the censorship actually making a difference in the game itself.
It does kind of ruin the whole point of the game.
>>335415173
>every scene with corpses removed
>dark undertones removed
>Nanako's death removed
>final boss removed because it's too creepy
>rewritten so that Saki doesn't die and just moves out of town
wew
>>335415535
They've been doing this since the NES
>>335413852
You really don't need to make the same fucking thread ten thousand times.
I was never planning to buy this game to begin with. It's kind of funny how 99% of the threads about this game now revolve around its censored localization.
>>335415713
Someone in Japan must have discovered that controversy is the best way to get your game noticed by Western gamers.
Does anyone else remember when people kept suggesting that Persona 5 would be Wii U exclusive?
How the 3DS would get a legit Persona game?
I sit here, kinda scared if it were to happen, and how awful the final product would turn out to the point I may have even skipped out on something I was looking forward to for years.
Jesus Christ, I hope Nintendo just keeps ruining their own IPs and stops paying external devs, its like a horror show whenever they get involved in anything.
>>335415943
i did. Was that around 2013 or 2014? Makes me wonder how things went downhill in a matter of years..
>>335415943
On second thought, I hope the new SMT isn't fucked up FUCK.
Atlus needs to drop them.
>>335415943
>Does anyone else remember when people kept suggesting that Persona 5 would be Wii U exclusive?
>How the 3DS would get a legit Persona game?
No.Never heard that at all..
>>335415943
That was console wars shitposting you dumbass.
>>335415697
Nice meme. They did this in the NES and SNES days, and then stopped like any reasonable company. They only started back up again recently, and their changes are less logical than they've ever been.
>>335413852
Damn it. Why even?
Western countries have bikini shoots in far more places, and far more risque as well. If anything light gravure shit like this should be even more ok here than there.
>>335414219
And right away, there's yet another Nintoddler making excuses for this shit.
>B-but they'll get an M-rating if they have pictures of girls on the beach wearing swimsuits instead of burkas!
Neck yourself you fucking tard. Dancing All Night LITERALLY had high school girls dancing in bikinis, and what was that rated?
I'm not even an EOP so this shit doesn't affect me unless something like what happened with Star Ocean 5 happens, but holy fuck is it infuriating to not only see NoA treat their customer base like 6 year olds and said 6 year olds defend it by making excuses for them. All of the censoring shit NoA has done in the last 30 years jas been because of fucking moralfaggotry, not ratings, and not laws. It's just been them pushing their soccer mom agenda down your throat even though you're 36 and still buying their garbage.
I'm done giving money to games that do this shit. These aren't games for children, but Nintendo of America is so goddamned stupid that they think that kids are still buying their shit. They've been doing this since the nes days, crying "think about the children, we better remove the booze and crosses"
The whole audience are neckbeards and man children now, so just stop buying games when they do this.
>>335415943
Just look how much Nintendo ruined Persona Q and SMT IV.
Oh wait.
>>335416431
Only NoA is retarded enough to think that some parent would buy anime waifu shit for their kids. Plus it's 2016 and kids just watch minecraft and play mobile games now
>>335416431
Nintendo has this weird, retarded stick up their ass.
They now think everyone should be treated like a young child, amiibos should be shoved in everyone's faces constantly along with mobile phone apps, and that we want games that are the same shit over and over.
Seriously, what the fuck was their output in the last few years? It's been entirely uninspired and lacking. Look at the new Starfox, controls aside, its simply below average, where they could have spent a lot more time making the MP good or adding 30+ stages.
They are fucking lazy and they take advantage of retards with brands instead of quality.
I don't get it
Why was Bayonetta fine? Even Platinum was baffled.
>>335416585
To be fair, Nintendo doesn't publish them or fund them. SMT 4 was altered though, nipples were removed from a few monsters.
Persona Q was like a kiddy Saturday morning cartoon, I doubt there is anything to even censor, since the story is so minimal and the characters looked like shit.
Tsubasa is too cute for confused Nintendo player's dicks.
>>335413852
Millions of people post on 4chan.
Why can't you guys contact the people behind these changes somehow?
>>335415535
>I'll try and find it used though. I'm also not buying any more Nintendo systems until they stop this censorship bullshit.
If you're short on cash, trying to find it for cheap (which I kind of doubt you would), then there really is no reason to buy it used.
If you buy the game, you'll support localizations with Japanese audio intact.
If you don't buy the game, it won't affect their policies regarding censorship whatsoever, since there is no way they would correlate low sales to censorship as opposed to numerous other factors.
So basically. Supporting the game supports better localizations. And boycotting it, doesn't help localizations at all.
I'll repeat though, if it's your wallet speaking then do whatever you feel like if it's tight. But if you're doing this on principle and spending money on it anyway, then you have no reason not to support it with a first-hand copy.
this game is gonna bomb, (because it looks like rancid shit and it's on the wii u), but when it does bomb the anti censorship weebs will be all "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED."
>>335416682
>Look at the new Starfox, controls aside, its simply below average, where they could have spent a lot more time making the MP good or adding 30+ stages.
>They are fucking lazy and they take advantage of retards with brands instead of quality.
I have to wonder if the real brains behind Nintendo games moved onto somewhere else, because we get stupid shit like Paper Mario Color Splash which is Sticker Star 2.0
What is the difference? The images look the same
>>335416682
I think it's all because Nintendo used to appeal to children. Then those children grew up, and the current children stopped playing traditional video games. As usual, Nintendo is several years behind and keeps making games for kids, and all of the manchildren who still play games buy it. If they don't change, Nintendo is fucked, because even the most autistic fans are starting to tire of this cookie cutter copy and paste shit.
>>335416856
most things on the wii u bomb, including the console.
here's hoping its a trend for nintendo
>>335416732
Nintendo and Nintendo of America are not the same. NoA specifically had nothing to do with Bayo 2, and Platinum did the localization themselves. Nintendo isn't the one with the retarded moralfaggotry crusade,NoA is.
>>335415684
forgetting
>Rise's dungeon removed, her and Teddie join automatically
>Kanji removed from the game
>Marie still in the game
I assume all of you are underage, because noa has been doing this for decades
>>335416992
no it's just an arbitrary thing done by treehouse because nintendo jp doesn't care and is giving them full authority to do what they want to make their shit sell
>>335417082
Why does a bunch of games get localised by them but not Bayo?
>>335416981
Top has the idol pictures wearing bikinis and sleeveless shirts in photoshoots, bottom has them wearing long-sleeved shirts and changes the poses
They literally butchered it without spending 5 minutes to think about why those images are in that dungeon to begin with
>make shitty game for weeb nerds
>censor game to make third wave feminists happy
kek, can't wait for them to wonder why it sells like shit
>>335415606
>That's actually the first good argument I've heard about the censorship actually making a difference in the game itself.
You haven't heard it before? People brought that up even before any changed were confirmed, just in case they would happen.
People kind of called this beforehand and critiqued it back then.
That entire dungeon is about the messed up parts of gravure shoots. The lead-up to the dungeon, and especially the very dungeon itself, and to a lesser extent the resolution and conclusion of that arc, was critique of the gravure industry.
>>335417130
>altering a couple of images is now the same as removing entire characters and dungeons
>amerifats are now triggered by swimsuits
good more for me autists
>>335417235
Bayo already had a localization before it was released in the US, most Japanese devs don't give a fuck about the NA audience (as they shouldn't) so they just let NoA do everything.
>>335417317
They've already removed entire gameplay features in Fates.
>>335417229
Its not that they don't care, it just that they were convinced by NoA that these changes are necessary.
Some changes like FF5 require the studio cooperation, and for this to happen they have to go through NoJ.
>>335417229
Blaming the treehouse as some big bogeyman is pretty stupid. Nintendo has always censored risque elements of their anime waifu games in America. Sure, Treehouse is responsible for many of the changes, but its really jsut NoA as a whole that has been fucked since forever.
>>335417229
Treehouse has absolutely no say over this game.
Even if the rumor that the changes are mandated by Nintendo and not Atlus on their own, it's NoA and not Treehouse that are the cause.
>>335417346
WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE WITHOUT THE GLASS
>>335414724
You fags said the same shit about Bravely and you were wrong then.
>>335414864
>Who the fuck does Nintendo think even plays these games?
Irrelevant, people will complain and bring (more) negative attention to Nintendo. Blame the current state of the industry.
>>335417601
>people will complain and bring (more) negative attention to Nintendo.
This is a good thing, this should build up more to make the NX another failure.
It's like they're trying to make this game fail.
>>335417646
>(You)
>>335413852
I am still getting the game since I really do want to play it. And since I love the fact that they're actually localizing it with the Japanese audio, which I feel like should be applauded.
As bad as the censorship is, and it's fucking terrible, a dub only localization would have been far, far worse. Making it outright unplayable even to one's best efforts.
That said though. This actually makes me very sad. That dungeon was great. The atmosphere to it was creepy and the final stretch, picture related, was outright scary. I hope the alterations haven't ruined the final stretch too much. Because the altered photos on the way throughout the dungeon already confirmed are bound to have already neutered the experience somewhat. But that final stretch was still legit. And I really do hope that it hasn't been ruined too much, since I really am looking forward a lot to be playing it myself. And with the beautiful Japanese audio to boot.
>>335413852
>it's just swimsuits
Why hard.
Or is it nintendrones not liking anything remotely sexual or anime based again? Or not following Tyler's advice?
I like how you waited an hour to make the exact same thread.
Good Luck! Hope this one makes it to 500 posts too!
>>335417693
I think they are, like with Fatal Frame V being digital only just so they'll have an excuse not to do anything besides Mario and Zelda.
I mean one of the selling points of the game according to Amazon is
>Savor the fan-service with original songs by Japanese entertainment giant Avex, stylish costumes, and much more
>>335417795
>And since I love the fact that they're actually localizing it with the Japanese audio, which I feel like should be applauded.
You do understand they would had gladly dub it if it was worth the trouble and cost? Don't applaud them for it.
>>335414436
>gives off an aura of mystique.
you sound like a fucking virgin.
>>335414520
So do other niche games such as Fallout, Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Grand Theft Auto, and Call of Duty. Truly, it is a mystery how these M-rated hidden gems manage to sell millions of copies more than mainstream successes like Fire Emblem Fates.
I fucking hate NoA.
Spats>>>>>Panties
All females should wear spats. When you change something to an objectively better version, it's not censorship
So where's the next version of neocucks celebrate being pandered to?
>Atlus localizes DT2
>Way before release the announce that they had to alter 4 CGs. Listing the ones they altered and why they did it.
>Nintendo has Atlus localize #FE
>Don't worry guys nothing was censored and even if it was it was its not our fault
>>335418163
It's not exactly the same, now it links to a different blog.
>all those #FE hate threads giving a game free PR here
Its like vtards learned nothing from Fates sales chart
>>335418795
Fatlus is almost always shit. Dub only, memefied localization.
Check Code of Princess if you want an example.
>>335419040
>sells good for a week and then drops off the face of the earth
yeah that censorship sure did work :^)
>>335415173
>no honorifics in the dub
I'll take it
>>335415684
>>335417130
>All Personas/Demons related to Christianity removed
>Game takes place in scenic Inaba USA
>>335418324
>You do understand they would had gladly dub it if it was worth the trouble and cost?
There is a very small chance that they were just busy with other work and couldn't get it done money disregarded. But that really is unlikely.
The interesting thing in this case is that the Japanese audio is likely far more expensive whatever they would have invested into the dub. The true reason behind the Japanese audio being intact is probably a very favourable deal with Avex, in regards to the recordings of the voices and music to begin with. Since that's all on their end, but unlike most of the time when voices and audio are recorded in games, Avex are actually a very notable publisher when it comes to #FE in the first place. What with being fully in charge of music and drama side of things, while also assisting with the rest of the publishing. Needless to say, they're very involved and the voices being used world-wide is likely on them.
If they weren't as involved as they are with the actual production of the product itself, they likely would have charged Nintendo an arm and a leg for the license.
All that said though. It doesn't really matter if Nintendo would have gladly dubbed it if they could. That's all the more reason for why I want #FE to do well in the west. To prove to them that the dub isn't needed, so that they won't so much feel them to be required in the future.
Just a shame that #FE likely won't do anywhere near enough for them to get such a message, but the better #FE does the better. If it does poorly they'll just take that as a definite answer of Japanese audio never ever working in the west. And that idea is just terrible.
haha send mails to these cunts
>>335413852
Of course not retard. Censorship sells. This is no longer something defended, it's praised.
>>335419040
>b-but muh three versions its not counts
This.
>So close to minimal shitposting aside from the usual "what went wrong" threads
>This happens
I just want comfy threads talking about the actual gameplay and story.
>>335419170
you sure taught them!
>>335419040
Fates also sold over 500k in Japan.
Guess how many copies this travesty sold?
>>335418775
Panties > spats > localized #FE black voids under skirts
>>335417308
Sounds exactly like the Fatal Frame gravure photo shoot cutscene. Intended to make the player feel uncomfortable and empathize with the girl, and by NoA incompetently changing the outfit to something more mild, it just instead comes off as the girl being stuck up and too good for what we see as a normal photo shoot.
Basically Nintendo needs to just keep their fucking hands off of games rated above 13 years old. They butcher them with the localization.
>>335417308
for fuck's sake it's just men not understanding girls' kimochi
Reminder to use offensive language in your posts. Some shill agencies now have a requirement to report in your posts if they have rude words. Make these fucking retarded niggers do extra work if they want to fit in.
>>335419321
Try neogaf or reddit or another hugbox, this is shitpost central.
>>335419425
More than enough to make a second game concert and sequel happen.
>>335419125
Game is not even out in Europe and you're already this mad/ How does it feel to know that your censorship banters don't affect the sales one bit? :^)
>>335416835
Nah it's not my wallet I'm worried about. I didn't consider the jap audio thing though. Maybe I'll get it new after all.
>>335419598
>this hand
Fucking turkroaches shitposting in #FE-threads, who could've thought.
>>335419321
>Actual gameplay
Simplistic timer-based combat where choosing any attack attack at all practically guarantees your teammates stack on further attacks automatically. Battles are often shorter than the loading screens to reach them.
>Story
Tons of ideas from the "Persona 5 scrapped concepts" trash bin.
>>335419598
>that disgusting hand
>>335413852
>Or will it be like Fates or Xenoblade Chronicles X where it's no big deal?
How exactly is some memegirl's cleavage a big deal?
>>335419598
>this is the hand of your typical feg fag
Fucking Christ, absolutely the worst fanbase on the planet.
I beat that 99% of this thread don't even own a WiiU.
>>335418795
Atlus never said which 4 CGs were edited in DT2. Still took one anon a week and a half of constant play in order to run into the first CG.
In the grand scheme of things, the censoring was predictable, and for someone that doesn't have a stick up their ass, the blowjob and fish loli edits were understandable. The other 2 barely showed anything to begin with
it was already censored in japan so it's not like this makes a difference. cucks gonna get cucked.
>>335420064
I own a CemU.
>>335420064
Come on it doesn't affect the gameplay but censoring is annoying.
>>335420064
No shit Sherlock. It was a sonyggers central from the start.
>>335419040
"Free PR" didn't help Fatal Fame 5, and it won't help this game. More awareness on a board that's already made up its mind won't influence anything, dumb tsubasa poster
Is anyone even surprised at this point?
>>335417317
>>335417396
And story items in Bravely Second.
>>335420064
Whatever you say, Allison.
I always pass on cencored games out of principle, no matter what it is.
Fortunately cemu is coming along nicely so if I ever feel like it I'll get to play the real version anyway, some autist is bound to dump a jap iso with english text put in.
>>335419165
>To prove to them that the dub isn't needed, so that they won't so much feel them to be required in the future.
They wouldn't contribute the success to the JP voices in the first place, you retard. Not like it matter, since this game has no chance of success in the west.
>>335419040
That's not how it works.
This isn't a Dragon's Crown scenario, because FE has an artistic integrity deficit.
>>335420518
>Putting in censored english text
Top cuck.
>>335420327
Fatal Frame always was a niche as fuck. It sold decent enough for the installment. Not to mention that people playing in this series for the horror not your shitty fanservice elements.
Kanji and Rise would have their character arcs assassinated if this happened in persona.
>>335413852
Did anything expect anything else? NoA are literally incapable of not fucking up anymore.
>>335420604
More people probably bought it for the tacked on Samus and Zelda costumes.
>>335420604
>everything is fanservice
>>335420327
Reminder that Fatal Frame V was FREE TO START. And also not a very good game.
>>335419598
I vomited a little. Kill yourself.
>>335417538
But that's not wrong. NoA supervised the localisations of both Bravely games and are responsible for the censorship in them.
>>335419321
The gameplay and story are shit. You are better off playing almost any other Atlus game, UNLESS idols are the main selling point.
If you want a hugbox go create a general on /vg/
>/v/ is so fucking overrun with ignorant normalfags that they defend censorship that even neofag doesn't
I wish 4chan was taken down when Moot left.
>>335418473
Lmfao forreal
>>335413852
>This enough to stop you from playing?
No, the crushing disappointment of SMT x FE being idolshit was a far bigger dealbreaker than whatever the hell this is. I'm already going to play this mourning over what could have been. If anything, the localization does a tiny bit of work against the idolshit, but at this point, I seriously wouldn't mind heavy localization because that's how much I hate idols.
>>335420737
Yeah, not to mention that Samus suit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shitty gravure bikinis
>>335420812
>The gameplay and story are shit.
You haven't played the game.
>this fatlus is good meme ITT
>nich maragos the lead FE Fates localizator came from there
They are not much better than the treehouse, the only difference is they only bring weeb games so they can't get away with the same shit.
>>335420405
No. But you always have that last bit of hope that MAYBE they'll start listening to their fans...
>>335413852
>altered
>not CENSORED
Seriously, stop the shilling.
>>335413852
>shitty weeb game gets fucked up
Who cares? It's garbage
>>335420812
>playing Atlus games
You are better off not playing games.
>people complaining about never getting japanese audio
>boycotting because of the usual censorship
Were all of you just spouting hot air when you claimed that the voices were important to you?
Or did you just feel like whining in every past dub only release even though you wouldn't have bought it even if it had the original voices anyway?
>>335420853
>I hate entertainers from another country that don't affect my life at all RREEEEEEEE
You are fucked in the head kid
>>335413852
>This enough to stop you from playing
Its stopping me from giving my money to Nintendo and/or Atlus for this product at least. I may play it, but I'm not buying it brand new. I'll get it used or just emulate it once emulation improves. I will not support butchered releases.
>>335415119
There's nothing to censor in EO anyway.
>>335419598
>these are the people you buy used games off of on ebay.
>>335420812
>no argument whatsoever
Lol keep your shitposting up. More you shitpost about it - more trending it becomes.
>>335421026
>taking a step forward and back again
>>335420327
the censorship of that game wasn't the problem, it was the fact it was digital only and 16 gigs
>>335420243
And yet you still wouldn't play it if it wasn't
>>335416797
Don't lump me together with neoFAGs, senpai.
>>335421080
By playing a translated game at all, it means it's butchered.
>>335420604
>playing FF5 for the horror
Where's the horror in that game? Everyone looks pretty, clothes get wet and see through all the time, the ghost roster is almost entirely made out of women seductively floating with a huge cleavage and moaning all the time.
5 is the god damn worst in terms of horror
Reminder that when Degica announced that the previous Japanese Vita-exclusive game Eternal Destiny was coming to PC, they announced that it would have censored card art. There were many complaints, and after seeing them, they said they'd look into it and possibly make changes. A few days later, they announced that the game would feature the option to switch back and forth between the original card art and the censored card art and that they listened.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/377880/discussions/0/368542844486831182/
http://steamcommunity.com/app/377880/discussions/0/371919771744716590/
Your word does matter to these companies so make sure to actually complain to them specifically instead of just whining on weeaboo image boards.
http://atlus.com/contact/
[email protected]
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/index.jsp
I might end up getting it anyway since I have nothing else upcoming on Wii U to play until Zelda U. Plus I'm guessing it'll be rare if the low JP sales are anything to go by.
I am do fucking done supporting shit companies. I'm pirating this if/when emulation or 5.5.1 homebrew is out, and I'm pirating EO5, fuck you Atlus. Grow some balls.
>>335421229
Only shitposters are whining. Nobody gives a shit about outfits.
>>335414778
>anything I don't agree with is a shitposting thread
Please stop
>>335421221
Something being translated doesn't inherently mean it was butchered. /a/ please go.
>>335417527
Loose bikinis.
>>335421229
Uh, pretty sure Nintendo doesn't care about what makes pedos happy
>>335421362
Hell, they just fired one
>>335415410
>Meme
It's not a meme, it's exactly what it was. You can not say that first teaser didn't have everyone believing it was going to be a straight crossover RPG, not a game with elements of the two like kingdom hearts.
>>335413852
Fates were actually a big deal. Still sold a shitload. Censorship doesn't affect the sales in the slightest.
>>335418783
I wish those guys die by the end of the day.
>>335421229
Kek if you think Nintendo will listen. Degica had to listen, this game is pretty much charity from shitendo to their weeb fans.
>>335421212
No. I'm going to buy it but it's getting annoying.
>>335421487
>baaaww my headcannon
Get a fucking life already loser
>>335421347
But I do give a shit about outfits. I give a shit about the smallest things. Copying/pasting my writings from previous threads:
Censorship deters content creators from creating the content they really want to and waters down their creations to something that they didn't intend. Do you not think its extremely presumptuous of you to think one knows better than the original content creator as to what their work should be like? Criticism is welcome, and can improve later works, but changing pre-existing works to be your own vision of what is okay and not okay instead of the creators is wrong and a deterrence to content creators everywhere.
Furthermore, censorship sets a precedent for what others can follow. Companies can look at something censored and say "Well they got away with censoring this, so I guess we can do this" and so on. One shouldn't be setting this precedent. Its harmful to the industry, harmful to creativity, harmful to content creators, and waters down things for consumers. Consumers should be allowed to decide for themselves what is right and wrong and what fits their sensibilities simply based on what they buy and do not buy. If one doesn't like something, they should simply not participate in it. If they do, then go for it.
If one has a problem with content, one should criticize, not censor, a work's messages. The beauty of these sorts of works is that they make you feel something, so why would you water that down? If you are disgusted by a work, that's beautiful in itself. And besides, companies can always add options to games to switch between censored and uncensored content for those who prefer it.
Censorship is abhorrent and wrong, and one shouldn't stand for even the tiniest bit of it.
Furthermore the changes were unnecessary to begin with. There's no good reason for this to exist in the first place.
>>335421229
Degica is the only one who listens.
>>335419106
Yeah the english was really dumb. What's the difference between the Jap and the Eng versions, though?
>>335414018
No one's going to want to buy it. Save your money.
>>335420812
If you were to provide some examples of exactly why the game/story is bad other than "idols are the worst thing to happen to Japan" then maybe I could agree with you.
Also this entire thread is just as bad as a hugbox in terms of differing opinions.
>>335421592
>>335421547
Its proof enough that companies can pay attention to their fans. I don't care how unlikely it is or how much bigger a game and company this is in comparison; complain to Nintendo of America and Atlus. Doing so can do nothing but good. If you don't complain, nothing changes. If you do, something might, something might not. Nothing happens if you don't try.
>>335421556
>"Get a life"
>Getting angry nobody wants your fujoshit game
Get a girlfriend you raging faggot.
>>335421536
well amerifats will buy every turd nintendo shits they're that uneducated
>>335421560
In that case, play the Japanese version then
>>335421560
You sounds like a manchild rapist desu.
>>335421749
>literally spending more hours in threads about a game he doesn't like than playing his smt shit
You are a loser. Get a life.
>>335421756
That doesn't solve the problem. That just makes someone immune to the problem. I don't want immunity; I want games to be treated properly from the get-go. Playing the Japanese version benefits me, but that's not good enough for the reasons I mentioned in that post.
>>335413852
no buy
Both xeno and fates have massive changes.
Half the dialogue is completely different from the original and in xeno all religious themes were removed.
>>335421560
Censorship makes the product more palatable to a larger audience, ergo more profit. Making slutty underage girls into non-pedobait and changing stare-rape targets into actual strong female rolemodels LITERALLY earns developers money.
never forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskJLgwky6A
>>335421748
I complained during Fatal Frame and Xenoblade debacles, see how much it helped.
I'll just stop buying Nintendo products, it's what they want.
>>335421034
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_idol
>In Japanese pop culture, an idol (アイドル aidoru?, a Japanese rendering of the English word "idol") is a young manufactured star/starlet marketed as someone to be admired, usually for their cuteness.
Idols are MANUFACTURED. They are not "real". They have insane, obsessive fanbases and can't be who they really are. They can't have boyfriends or get married or their entire career goes down the toilet. It's a creepy profession that screams "fake" and "artificial". SMT and Fire Emblem have nothing to do with idols. Idols are the lowest common denominator of manufactured weebshit hugboxes. People delude themselves into thinking any of it is genuine when it reeks of plastic.
>>335421942
There is no larger audience for this game
None of the girls are slutty, and not underage either thanks to NoA's changes
You don't know what pedophilia is
A female character being sexy, growing up and becoming comfortable with sexuality, femininity,etc does not diminish them as a character or a person.
You are ignorant, and you actually are proud of your ignorance.
This is why video games will struggle as a storytelling medium and art, because gamers are just fucking dumb like you
>>335421876
>That doesn't solve the problem.
It does, because you're so worried about games being censored and not being in their 'original form' or whatever. It's not like you're even discussing something so serious such as a story or anything. Some teenage girl's cleavage got censored, and now you want to talk about principles? Give me a break.
>>335422124
>I hate entertainers from another country that don't affect my life at all RREEEEEEEE
You are fucked in the head kid
>>335421351
>Something being translated doesn't inherently mean it was butchered. /a/ please go.
That's /jp/ retard. /a/ knows the difference between butchered and compromise.
>>335421221 is an idiot if he thinks anything translated is butchered, though. There are a lot of faithful and good translations in the past, even in games.
>>335421837
>Litterally projecting
>Still throwing "Get a life" shamelessly defending a game
I don't know anon, you're the one who came at me with furrowed brows, All I said was it wasn't a meme that the game was not what anybody expected it to be, and there was no way to intrepid that teaser in another form.
If you want to play it it's your own damn choice but don't tell me that wasn't the general consensus on /v/ months, no, years before the announcement.
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>>335421942
Those changes are not there's to make however; its not NoA's/Atlus USA's game. Its entirely possible that if they want that audience, they could release the game with options to toggle in the original content versus the edited content similarly to how a lot of games used to have options for blood and gore and how Degica's Eternal Destiny allows one to switch card art as they desire. They could bring in those that have issue with it and make it available for a wider audience while not alienating some fans who are against censorship while at the same time allowing the content to be left alone in its original state, thus treating the original creator's works better.
>>335422123
Keep complaing. You complained then, but its still happening, so keep complaining. If you don't buy the game, great! But make sure to tell them why.
>>335422212
It was always about principles. You really think I care about something as petty as what clothes a character is wearing? Its ENTIRELY about principles. Its not right to the creators and its harmful to the industry. Even small changes ought' not be tolerated for the reasons I mentioned in that original post.
>>335415239
It's published by Atlus.
>People still care about #FE
Already laughed hard when they announced and im laughing even more now.
Make a game tailor made only for the weebest of people then deny what the weebs want, you can't make this shit up.
>>335422396
>he's still spending more time in threads about game he doesn't like
Time to get a life son
>>335417538
You're retarded. NoA IS responsible for both BD games outside of Japan.
>>335421942
>Censorship makes the product more palatable to a larger audience, ergo more profit.
False. If a game is shit it stays shit.
Also Censorship excludes a lot of content while raising the price of an item. It's why you got fucking piratefags in the Wii U/3DS platform.
>>335422212
>so serious such as a story or anything. Some teenage girl's cleavage got censored, and now you want to talk about principles? Give me a break.
I will never understand this ridiculous American fear or sexual themes. It's extremely unhealthy.
>>335421560
Censorship is terrible. But in the end I just want quality localizations. And when they finally do something right, I want to leave my mark of approval the best I can.
Actually having Japanese audio is a huge step forward. Actually, it being Japanese only makes it even an even bigger leap.
It's to avoid bullshit like picture related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6yHXz850EA
It's when they change the script that localizations truly goes to shit.
Yet I almost get the impression that a lot of you wouldn't even complain at a localization like picture related, for as long as no visuals were censored.
>>335422438
At least search a little.
>>335422304
I hate that a game that could have been so much more based on its components took the easy way out and told the audiences that were actually interested in it to fuck off so it can try and scrape up the completely unrelated obsessive market instead.
>>335421218
You got me, what the fuck.
>>335414898
Fatlus already made a FE-like game using SMT theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JwGHohR3g4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsUMpiOo_uA
Blame DeSu for being director and putingtIdolbullshit ideas
>>335422413
>You really think I care about something as petty as what clothes a character is wearing?
So not only are you aware that what you're freaking out about is silly, but you're still going on anyway?
>Its not right to the creators and its harmful to the industry
Pray tell, how would you know what the creators think? Are you the one localizing their game? Do you know why they do each and every little thing?
>>335417601
No. Nobody will complain about a seventeen year old (aged to eighteen anyway) in a fully covering, normal swimsuit. NOBODY.
Fuck off with this pointless rhetoric.
>>335422124
In exchange for not dating, they get to sing and dance and be paid very well and have tons of fame and fortune. And then, when they want to to stop, they go on with their lives. Don't act like this is some sort of forced slave-labor in terrible conditions. It's honestly ridiculous how many people outside of Japan get their panties in a twist over how entertainers and an industry in another country work.
>>335422679
Making a generic crossover piece of garbage that you wanted would have been the easy way out you stupid ignorant fuckhead.
Seriously grow up, you are spending literally dozens of hours in threads crying like a 2 year old. You should be embarrassed.
>>335422729
In this case, I was hoping for more of an SMT-like game using FE themes.
>>335422729
Fuck off with your 2d showelware hipster garbage already. Not even smtg plays this shit.
>>335413852
Nintendo fucking sucks.
That said, I have reverse interest in this game. It looks like trash.
>>335422768
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6yHXz850EA
Nintendo has had a pro-censorship stance for 30+ fucking years. They do not like to make waves and part of Japan's stereotype of Americans is that they will sue you if they get offended.
If you don't like censorship, don't buy a Nintendo console. They are for children anyway.
>>335421110
This desu
>>335422589
Japanese games with sexualized characters won't fix that. If you really don't like what you see, maybe do something about it? I hear sex education in the US is pretty bad.
>2014
>"Right guys? Nintendo are the only ones that really care about games"
>2015-2016
>"Nintendo are dead!"
I'm just shocked how quick this transition came about.
>>335422626
Localization like that pic wouldn't even happen if there were dual-audio.
>>335422905
why would you care about what those memers play
>>335422948
That's fine you stupid shithead but these mild as fuck swimsuits do not apply.
I reiterate: Not ONE SINGLE soul cares about them; at least before they butchered them.
>>335413852
https://youtu.be/jskJLgwky6A
Daily Reminder
>>335422905
Calm down, Personafagget?
>>335422387
>even in games
Right. Never happened. Only Western games to Japanese have real translations in games.
DAILY REMINDER
Its only okay when Sony does it!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg9OYyPIYNk
So what's the audience for this now? Prude Weeaboos? Does that even exist?
>>335422760
>So not only are you aware that what you're freaking out about is silly, but you're still going on anyway?
Yes! Of course I would! No matter how small, this issue is important to me!
>Pray tell, how would you know what the creators think? Are you the one localizing their game? Do you know why they do each and every little thing?
I don't. But if this was truly the creators' intentions and not the localizers/publishers themselves, then the original game would be getting changed in Japan as well rather than it being a US only thing. The only other option that I could see you trying to argue is that perhaps the creators specifically wanted it changed for the US, but the only reason I could see for that is if they thought it unfit for Western audiences, which means its not being done for the sake of improving their game because they believe it'll do that, but because it is seen as "unfit" for Western audiences and thus censorship as defined by the word itself.
>>335423150
>but these mild as fuck swimsuits do not apply
Yes, they do.
If a character is under age 18 and sexualized even mildly, some soccer mom will probably call UNICEF and dipshit SJWs will write a clickbait article and a few hundred less parents will buy the game for their kids.
All you can do is not support censored releases.
>>335423006
>maybe do something about it?
Yeah, I'm really going to move to your shit country to teach you that sex is perfectly normal part of human nature and stigmatizing it is incredibly unhealthy and strange. The fact you people seriously believe that a 17 year old girl discovering her body, femininity,etc is something that should be censored is just insane. I doubt even those Armish people were really this stupid.
>>335423264
RPG fans who don't care about costume changes
>>335423241
No one was happy about it for Xenosaga either anon
>>335420812
/vg/ doesn't like censorship either.
>>335421178
Quoth the shitposter.
>>335420064
>>335420259
>no! my baseless delusions have to be true! no true fan would criticize based NoA!
Kill yourselves.
Atlus PR confirms it's all Nintendo's fault.
>>335423004
Shhhh. Quiet you.
Just tell people that's a trans Necromancer elf or something.
>>335422626
>expecting quality localization with censorshitp
>>335423387
Prude Weebs then
>>335422828
No, it wouldn't have been the easy way out. Making a crossover RPG between two niche franchises on an HD console that has sold very poorly is the hard way.
Saying "I don't think that would sell a ton so lets try and recoup our losses by ignoring the niche fanbases and instead trying to get money out of the lowest common denominator of fanbases, otaku. They're more willing to mindlessly spend money on cute idols."
>>335422810
And yet it's somehow less genuine than the interviews with singers on American TV where sad music plays in the background while they go on about their tragic past.
>>335422905
This. So fucking tired of pretentious smtmemers. They haven't even played NINE and still trying to act cool.
>>335423387
>RPG fans
They would play real SMT games.
>>335423045
Nintendo is fine. Nintendo of America is the problem.
>>335423578
This.
I want Reggie out of Nintendo. And I want a real Japanese to handle NoA.
>>335423431
>still no arguments whatsoever
Are you retarded or something? Why are you trying so hard?
>>335413852
The censorship didn't stop me from playing Xenoblade X.
What is stopping me is that it's idol garbage so cringeworthy, even the Japanese recoil in horror.
>>335417262
I just noticed that they changed the skin color of the one on the right
>>335423495
>No, it wouldn't have been the easy way out.
No fuckwit. Copypasting an FE game and subsituting Risen or whatever generic monster/zombie enemy with SMT demons is the easy lazy boring game you wanted. Kill yourself already
I'm cancelling my preorder and Final will be the last game I buy on a Nintendo console now.
>>335423323
>the only reason I could see for that is if they thought it unfit for Western audiences, which means its not being done for the sake of improving their game because they believe it'll do that, but because it is seen as "unfit" for Western audiences
Now you're getting it.
The US is seen by Japan as a toxic territory to sell shit in, where they must be careful not to offend people. If you do, you will receive negative publicity and possible lawsuits. It's a mostly inaccurate stereotype, but one that Japan takes seriously enough to err on the side of caution.
This has been well-known since the 8 bit days. See shit like Nintendo's NES censorship directives and making Poison from Final Fight into a tranny.
>>335422626
>Actually having Japanese audio is a huge step forward. Actually, it being Japanese only makes it even an even bigger leap.
>having an incomplete translation is good
Might as well not translate anything at all if you're picking and choosing what parts are worth translating. If the audio is the same language as the text in Japan, the only non-retarded thing to do is to have them be the same in English. Otherwise you're creating inconsistencies.
Sub-only is shit-tier, and it's especially shit in a censored game where the subs don't even go along with what's being said.
>>335422626
I don't consider poor localization to be quite the same as censorship to be honest, unless dialogue is removed for the sake of getting rid of offensive content and similar things like that.
And I personally think dual audio is a far bigger leap localization wise than Japanese only versus English only. Even better if its triple audio.
>>335413852
god bless NoA for ensuring its downfall
>>335423654
What arguments? That was my first post towards you, you blind fanboy.
>>335423045
Think about the things that have happened since 2014:
>amiibo cancer, shoehorning, and shortages
>censorship, shitty translations, and removing content up the ass
>Iwata died
>pushing the New 3DS like crazy for a couple months then completely forgetting that it exists
>Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Chibi-Robo: Zip-Lash, Paper Jam, and more half-baked experiences
>and then they continue to not learn by doing things like this, Star Fox Zero, and Sticker Star 2
I mean I really want to love Nintendo nowadays but they're making it really hard.
>>335423516
>NINE
But i want to enjoy games, do you have to suffer through Ronde to be a cool kid aswell?
>>335423791
>Otherwise you're creating inconsistencies.
Are you assuming that the average casual player is fluent in moon?
Yes, there will be inconsistencies like that shit from .hack but the only way a localization is really hindered by Japanese audio is if you want to change the way characters refer to one another.
>>335423323
>But if this was truly the creators' intentions and not the localizers/publishers themselves, then the original game would be getting changed in Japan as well rather than it being a US only thing.
I see you're not aware that #FE had costume changes in the Japanese release during development, so 'censorship' does happen to Japanese video games. It's just called the creative process, because no idea is the same from inception to execution.
>The only other option that I could see you trying to argue is that perhaps the creators specifically wanted it changed for the US, but the only reason I could see for that is if they thought it unfit for Western audiences, which means its not being done for the sake of improving their game because they believe it'll do that, but because it is seen as "unfit" for Western audiences and thus censorship as defined by the word itself.
Believe it or not, sometimes the developers suggest changes themselves that would better appeal to the western audience. Sometimes they just say redo everything, like with Animal Crossing. Localization staff themselves also propose changes to the developers regarding the script or even features. It's not like people are intentionally going out of their way to change stuff for the sake of it. If you want to be concerned about anything regarding localization, make it the actual translations and scripts. People still produce bad ones that are accepted by everyone just because, and no one has the incentive to be good because most people won't care or notice (and can't), so it's cheaper to just shit out anything. That's the real threat to artistic vision.
>>335423910
>i-it wasn't me
Lol faggot get a grip already.
>>335423735
I never said "Make a Fire Emblem game with an SMT skin."
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/335196795/#335226008
>>335423495
What the fuck does it being genuine or not have to do with anything? It's about singing and dancing, they're entertainers, they're are no plans for marriage here.
>>335423695
>even the Japanese
They love it besides some FE memers just because it's not FE.
>>335423791
>Sub-only is shit-tier
Absolute monkey without a brainstem opinion.
>>335423956
>But i want to enjoy games
>posting 2D obscure garbage srpg even smtfags not interested in instead
>>335424021
>actually keeps records/bookmarks of the post and hours he spends in threads about game he doesn't like
Jesus christ get a fucking life.
>>335414595
>Atlus is, NoA is just "supervising" it.
Which is a retarded move which is why the game is censored. Atlus should've told NOA that they don't need supervision and if they did that, game would've been uncensored.
>>335424097
2ch was in an uproar when this game was released, they hate it as much as we do, why do you think it flopped?
>make game about anime idols shit that only extreme weebs care
>then censor it
This seems extremely counterproductive
>>335424218
>things never happened: the post
Cmon you can do better than this
Oh this thread again.
>>335424327
no seriously go to 2ch or the international board and ask them yourself
>>335424270
NoA just looked for reason to do stuff so they get paid.
They're all a bunch of useless retards if you think about it.
>>335424000
So you got btfo and now have to blow steam off on me, huh? Why would I have been arguing with you when the rest of the posts I quoted were at varying different times?
So sorry for having dignity as a nintendo fan.
>>335416281
They didn't do it then because they weren't localizing anything. Even the op rainfall games were censored if I recall
>>335424174
I searched "Press Turn System" on the archive because I remember mentioning it as part of that post a couple days ago. I'm not gonna rewrite that shit every single time.
>>335424062
Otaku take them pretty damn seriously. There's a reason they're called the "obsessive market", but the goal is to milk them for all their worth, not deter them from their obsession.
I didn't buy FE Fates because of this shit, so I'm not buying this either.
Go fucking die in a fire Nintendo
>>335424395
>ask 2ch about the game, I'll wait for you there under japanese proxy
>>335424327
Famitsu gave it 34/40.
Sold only 33,000 units.
It flopped because it isn't the FExSMT we all wanted.
>>335424561
conquest is a legitimately good game
>>335424587
go to the international board and ask them yourself
>>335424772
>conquest is a legitimately good game
It is and that's why I played the true version, English translated.
>>335424772
>conquest is a legitimately good game
The opinions of a cuck mean nothing to me.
>>335424560
I realize that there are individuals that take them quite seriously, and I don't see the problem with it. They are free to like whatever they want as much as they want. You originally said it was "creepy" and "fake" and I said that it doesn't matter if it wasn't genuine like you said it ought to be, since at the end of the day it's about entertainment, who cares if it's genuine or not.
>>335424587
>newfaggot doesn't know about the international board
Reported for using anime avatars.
>>335416802
Because the only thing people can do is complain. Everyone is too lazy to make an effort.
>>335424738
>Still better score than any Persona game
>Dengeki Awards: Best RPG of 2015
>Very positive amazon feedback
>Sold 70k + digital
>Doing second game concert in May
>It will sell no less here
>Sequel already in productions
>>335424931
how am I a cuck?
>>335417308
Yeah, NoA doesn't care.
>>335415410
>Reviews are good
And since game journalists can't be trusted, that means the game is terrible. Or did you forget the Star Fox Zero reviews?
I don't really give a shit about this game, but this whole situation is fascinating. Trying to come up with a logical explanation for why they changed this shit makes my brain hurt. It's completely baffling.
>>335424842
>The true version, English translated
The true version is untouched Japanese. Fan translations are shitty, and you're always losing some amount of information. Learn Japanese and just import all your shit and you'll get the purest version of the original product.
>>335425003
>Sold 70k + digital
Where did you get this number? From your ass?
>>335415410
>Reviews are good
daily reminder that mass effect 3 and ff 13 got near perfect scores
>>335425118
From media create and Nintendo quality sources, loser.
>he still takes his shitty info from vgchartz
Lmao at ya.
Didn't we complain about Fates for ages and it sold more than awakening? Is this all part of Nintendo's plan?
>M-Rated Game on a D E A D console
>go out of your way to cover up any trace of female sexuality
I'm not mad, since I didn't plan on buying this anyways, but I just wonder what their thought process is. It's a game that's rated for adults. Are they implying that adults can't handle some cleavage?
>>335425232
>From media create and Nintendo quality sources, loser
link it.
>>335425003
>>Sold 70k + digital
Jesus fuck that's terrible
>>335425003
>>335425232
Avatars on 4chan are against the rules, newfaggot.
Still reporting.
>>335425276
All ''''''haters''''''' are actually quite obvious Nintendo shills.
Im surprised people still care about this game at all.
>>335423981
>I see you're not aware that #FE had costume changes in the Japanese release during development, so 'censorship' does happen to Japanese video games. It's just called the creative process, because no idea is the same from inception to execution.
I'm aware that changes happen during development of a game. I do not consider these censorship, not unless the creators specifically say they make such changes to avoid backlash or similar statements. Its natural for a game to change during development. Its changes AFTER a game's release that concern me, and when I said that, I'm specifically referring to the game changes being made via updates in the Japanese release. If the Japanese game post-release was given updates to edit the costumes in the same way the localized version, then I absolutely would believe it to be the creators' intentions as a means of improving the game and thus not consider it censorship. But that's not the case. These are strictly changes on the NoA/Atlus USA side of things.
>Believe it or not, sometimes the developers suggest changes themselves that would better appeal to the western audience. Sometimes they just say redo everything, like with Animal Crossing. Localization staff themselves also propose changes to the developers regarding the script or even features.
I know.But I would absolutely consider these sorts of changes censorship and as making the game more fit for West
I have issue with localization as well, don't get me wrong. I want games translated properly. These are just more obvious visual changes being made and thus are easier to spot and complain about. I absolutely complain whenever I find memes added to a game and other poor localization changes such as much of the dialogue in Fire Emblem Fates (replacing a whole conversation with ... for instance). But I consider both small and large things to be equally important in preserving artistic vision. Hence why I complain about anything from costume changes to poor dialogue.
>Release it without an English dub, alienating the majority of the casual audience
>Still tailor the game to them
...?
>>335420450
Daily reminder Allison was literally against removing the breast slider in XCX and you guys saw her as some meme/censorship boogey man despite the fact that she made no actual localizing decisions and literally nothing has changed at Treehouse.
>>335425436
Considering it's supposedly a really good turn based jrpg on a console that has next to none of them, is it really that surprising?
>>335425089
They're trying to normalize it for normal fags... who won't touch it anyways since it's weeb shit.
I suspect they get paid for removing things no matter what so might as well clock in some overtime.
>>335425315
>link media create
Are you retarded m8? There are no archived versions for it.
>>335424185
>Nintendo has all the authority over the game
>Atlus having any say in that matter
Would you have rather had Treehouse localize it?
>>335425643
Can't prove it with a screenshot then?
>>335425614
Allison was never part of localization. She was in the PR department. Her cuck gay prostitute husband works in the cafeteria. Ninty is no better or worse without her.
You are the one who is stupid.
>Change all this shit
>Even though shit like Bayonetta 2 and The Binding of Isaac are on their consoles
I don't get Nintendo.
>>335425685
Isn't that pretty much what is happening now?
>>335425630
>I suspect they get paid for removing things no matter what so might as well clock in some overtime.
But this is Atlus's reason for removing Japanese audio.
>>335425118
More importantly where did you get info about 33k? Even on vgchartz its 50k. Retarded shitposters can't even get in times with their sources it seems.
>>335425372
>hating smug anime girls
>>335425302
Actually, the game's rated T, which makes me believe that's why they censored this game
>>335413852
>This enough to stop you from playing?
No. They passed that point long ago when they turned it into generic moe bullshit.
>>335425983
Wikipedia.
>>335425840
>/v/ spends a year making thread after thread about how she's literally ruining treehouse and localizations
>/v/ spends a year making threads saying she's forcing in memes and cutting content despite no proof
>y-you're the stupid one
ok
>>335425997
What did you expect from goobers?
>>335424943
It just seems kind of scummy that someone meant to be idolized as a role model is actually artificially manufactured to milk demographics that develop unhealthy obsessions out of their money. In a just world, that kind of obsessiveness would be discouraged. It wouldn't be about merchandising manufactured people to get money out of consumers, but selecting actual people who have real reasons to be role models and idolized and giving them a chance in the spotlight for the entertainment of others who admire them.
>>335425983
>>335426084
Now please show the 70k sauce.
Or maybe your lying.
Every outlet says it flopped like hell.
>>335426084
>Wikipedia
Don't reply to me ever again. What a fucking retard, holy shit.
>>335425929
Consider that in Bayonetta though that was an established franchise where two big draws are the over the top violence and fanservice. I think Nintendo here is trying to broaden the appeal of this game because they consider it a new franchise with the hopes of making more games for it. Of course they fail to realize that a game centered around Japanese entertainment culture is not going to be popular stateside.
>>335426096
>/v/ spends a yea
I remember nothing about her before the pro-lolicon tweets came to light, then she got shitcanned not long after. Assume she was a literally-who whose threads were rightfully ignored/saged.
>>335425643
Media Create only analyses RETAIL data from software and hardware sales, proprietary stores are out of their juristiction.
Also you can search gematsu's archives for the numbers.
I hope you don't kiss anyone with bullshit spraying from your mouth.
Why the fuck can't they leave anything alone
>>335426234
>my sauce is better
Nah, you just can't prove that 70k sale.
Poor shill trying to shill a flopped game. Even more dead on arrival than, say, that new Baldur's Gate expansion.
>>335413852
I didn't buy Bravely Second since they removed the ability to fail sidequests from what I heard. This is just another removed panty shot/etc thing, I'm still getting it. It would be better with them though.
>>335425614
>>335425840
>>335426096
Christ, you have the exact same fucking opinion as each other yet you're arguing about it despite there being nothing to argue about.
I used to be the biggest fucking Nintendofag but they're really pissing me off lately. I wouldn't be surprised if they cut more shit out of the game and locked it behind amiibos. Fuck Nintendo.
>>335426515
I'm correcting the fag for cutting into a conversation with an irrelevant and incorrect point. Rapp did literally nothing but pitch a stupid title for a Fatal Frame promo video.
>>335425630
That sounds about right.
>>335425764
this
Last update from Gematsu: 4 months ago.
[Wii U] Genei Ibun Roku #FE (Nintendo, 12/26/15) – 26,340 (New)
>26k sale
So much flop.
>>335425949
Maybe since they couldn't do that they're taking the Nintendo approach of arbitrary changes that make no sense to pad the bill. They bill NoA, NoA bills NoJ, NoJ lets it happen because "we don't know american markets and you do"
>>335426259
And Atlas is known for their weeb games -don't have an issue with that mind you-. I don't get what Nintendo is thinking with this one. They really need to get their heads out of their asses soon.
>>335426743
You're both saying that she had no impact in localization and calling each other stupid for saying so when it's what you're saying.
>>335426673
Nintendo are fucking stupid.
Imagine if this game came bundled with a Chrom or Tsubasa amiibo. It would sell like crazy.
>>335426330
>gematsu
>better source than media create
Are you retarded? Like for real.
>>335426876
Now i know where the 4kids crew ended up on.
So now it becomes more bizarre:
Why censor a game that's expected to flop? No one except the hardcore fans will buy it.
>>335426840
>Gematsu
I'm so fucking tired of you assholes defending this kusoge shit purely out of spite to be "FUCKIN EBIN". This looks like fucking shit, admit it.
Fire Emblem Fans dont like it SMT Fans dont like it
Compile Hearts fans like it
Idea Fuck fans like it
Final Fantasy fans like it
Even Persona fans dont like it
B-B-B-BUT FE PLAYS A LARGE PA-
No, they literally just took Omega Quintet and said, what if they summon Persona's, like our hit game, Persona 4 Golden but we use knights instead, that way this can take off and we can have TWO Persona 4 Golden's. Thats.... double the money we make on Persona 4 Golden!
If they were trying to make a Fire Emblem spinoff, they have already failed. Nobody who actually enjoys fire emblem for fire emblem, and not for Lucina (WHO IS CUTE,CUTE CUTE!!!!!) will enjoy this. You are better of making a new ip, completely detached from Fire Emblem or SMT.
SMT fans dont enjoy this idolshit
Fire Emblem fans dont enjoy this idolshit
Kusoge fans enjoy this idolshit
But dont worry friends. See, she spun around and everyone is shocked because WOW!!! She's in a bikini now! Isn't that soooooo wacky?!?! I bet she's an amazing girl! Aren't you just falling in looo~ve with her ~?
Dont worry, she'l have a doll for you to buy. And a poster. And a pillowcase. And a keychain. And a cleaning cloth for your glasses! We cant have those glasses getting foggy~.
>>335427228
Gematsu's archive Media Create so it's just as good as any.
>>335422905
probably because it isn't translated
>>335427219
GOTTA GET PAID
>>335427228
>>335427141
http://gematsu.com/2016/01/media-create-sales-122115-010316
They are only reporting media creates' numbers, you can probably search nichegamer and silliconera and they'll give the exact same stuff.
>>335426120
>2 fucking years later after the fiasco
>everyone supposedly over at whatever image board according to anti-gg folks
>"muh gee gee boogeyman obsession!"
Wow.
>>335427339
>Fire Emblem Fans dont like it SMT Fans dont like it
OK
>Compile Hearts fans like it
>Idea Fuck fans like it
>Final Fantasy fans like it
what?
>Even Persona fans dont like it
Calm your mad down. These are just shilling because a kusoge game in Japan sold poorly.
We can all expect it will sell poorly as well here since no one cares about idolshit.
>>335426130
That's not a just world, it's idealized beyond believe. Why would an entertainer be a role model to anybody? Just because they are called idols doesn't mean that they are idolized in the true sense of the word by anyone. The fans know that at the end of the day they are just humans, but they like their singing and dancing and personalities of being someone whose very "obtainable", if you will. And so they become fans, and the idols, in exchange for being able to live a great life as an entertainer and have all these fans, they have to follow some rules. It's purely a market exchange here, just entertainment and entertainers and their fans, even if some of the fans take it very seriously. You seem to be taking the word idol too seriously, it's nothing more than what I stated.
>>335427573
>nichegamer
>siliconera
Just kill yourself anon.
>>335427141
it's fucking media create being reposted you retard
I already left nintendo behind because I got fed up with this sort of shit.
>>335427219
To turn it into an example.
Nintendo's cancelled far more complete localizations that they thought could flop in the past. There's literally no reason for them to still be going through with it even despite the invested effort when they have a history of throwing away money on 99% complete localizations. NoA in particular has been extremely apprehensive about almost anything related to a jrpg that falls on them to localize in the past few years. Most of what they've published that's jrpg was localized by somebody else elsewhere and they published it or they just didn't touch it at all. Only Fire Emblem and Xenoblade X have been NoA and we know they've become a trainwreck because of it.
Despite all that they're "supervising" a localization team that needs no supervision. Making changes and censorship to a game that needs none and is just going to make existing fans who want the game give up on it. And what is special about this game compared to others? It's not dubbed and has only Japanese audio. It's heavily anime and idol focused. It's extremely Japanese.
So when it tanks NoA can start justifying leaving very Japanese/anime games in Japan and other companies can point to it having only JP audio and blame the sales on that because clearly censoring didn't "hurt Fates"
It's a scapegoat.
>>335427724
Ok you are just a retard then.
Still waiting for better sources.
>>335426876
No, I'm pretty sure NoA doesn't censor shit for its own sake. They do it because that has been the official policy for 30+ years. This gives rise to dipshits like Treehouse, not the other way around.
Atlus makes dumb localization choices they wouldn't be able to get away with if moonspeak were on and weebs were able to clearly tell that such-and-such a line is not what is actually being said. This is one of the two major reasons Fatlus will never willingly include dual audio.
>>335427339
>See, she spun around and everyone is shocked because WOW!!! She's in a bikini now!
Not anymore!
I will never understand why NoA continues to do shit like this. By now they should have seen enough complaints (and have the sales data) to know which Nintendo games have and don't have mainstream appeal. It's sad seeing Nintendo step outside their comfort zone a bit, only to be sterilized by good old NoA. Whatever happened to artistic integrity?
NoA is either mentally trapped in the 90s or Treehouse is doing this deliberately. I refuse to believe the entire branch is THIS clueless.
>>335426501
https://www.reddit.com/r/Megaten/com...orship/d2fct87
https://twitter.com/NintenDaan/statu...95023995568128
Pretty much confirms that its more than removing pantyshots, they will change what is am important plot point in the story.
>>335423884
>And I personally think dual audio is a far bigger leap localization wise than Japanese only versus English only. Even better if its triple audio.
It's technically superior, if done well. Except that it's almost always treated as dub first, original audio second.
In which they make further alterations to the script, since it's a dub after all anyway wink* wink*.
Japanese Audio only games typically have less severe alterations to them.
>Persona 4 Dancing goes into criticism of the idol industry just like #FE
>Topics like gravure idols
>Abuse of underaged girls
>Suicide and depression
>game features teenagers with tons of skimpy outfits
>Rated T
>Nintendo has to censor #FE because of "varying requirements and regulation" even though Atlus has literally already gotten away with this shit
>>335427905
>They do it because that has been the official policy for 30+ years
I call bullshit on that.
>>335428124
Links don't work.
>>335413852
The game not being what seemed to be teased in that original promo is what stopped me from caring about the game.
The sequence where the cast flies through the air singing a song was enough for me to decide not to ever buy it.
I can't fathom who has any interest in this.
>>335428267
Vita is a console no one owns so no one would complain about those things.
>>335413852
>make game that panders to otaku hardcore
>game flops
>intend to sell it to weebs overseas
>censor everything and get rid of the things weebs like in these pandering otaku games
They just don't fucking learn do they?
>>335428413
So like a Wii U
>>335428316
Turboweebs.
>>335415119
EO's not a Nintendo game?
>>335428316
>I can't fathom who has any interest in this.
Fans of pop music.
Toku.
Asian dramas.
Fire Emblem.
SMT/Persona.
The games previously developed by the same staff.
If you're a fan of all of or most of the above. Then the game is more than likely very much for you.
>>335427909
americans are really mentally ill faggot nation
>>335428267
>Persona 4 Dancing goes into criticism of the idol industry just like #FE
Did it go into those kinds of topics very seriously, or just sort of graze them? If anyone could really lampoon the idol industry it'd be Atlus, but I don't think anyone in Japan really has the balls to go through with it. No rocking the boat and all that.
>>335428284
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_146155311625310&key=de2ccb8ca8943c06669720e0a267a9f6&libId=infeyusb0100ag8y000DLaa4pweze&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.neogaf.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1210364%26page%3D9&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FMegaten%2Fcomments%2F4g8bpp%2Ftokyo_mirage_sessions_fe_suffers_more_censorship%2Fd2fct87&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.neogaf.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1210364%26page%3D12&title=Atlus%20handling%20the%20western%20localization%20of%20Tokyo%20Mirage%20Sessions%20%23FE%20-%20Page%209%20-%20NeoGAF&txt=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FMegaten%2Fcom...orship%2Fd2fct87
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_146155314234012&key=de2ccb8ca8943c06669720e0a267a9f6&libId=infeyusb0100ag8y000DLaa4pweze&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.neogaf.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1210364%26page%3D9&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FNintenDaan%2Fstatus%2F724295023995568128&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.neogaf.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1210364%26page%3D12&title=Atlus%20handling%20the%20western%20localization%20of%20Tokyo%20Mirage%20Sessions%20%23FE%20-%20Page%209%20-%20NeoGAF&txt=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FNintenDaan%2Fstatu...95023995568128
>>335428504
>So like a Wii U
>>335423884
>dual audio
>lip is synced to the dub
Yeah, no. Fuck man I can't even find a BLJM Asura's Wrath to pirate.
>>335421229
I swear Degica must either be retarded or planned their 180 from the beginning.
There was a Degica employee on the Steam forums showing us the uncensored card art while it was still going to be released censored. If an employee could show it, why couldn't they release it?
>>335428592
>SMT/Persona.
You meant to say "Fans of Persona 4."
>>335428267
It's a bullshit excuse, that's why. Dualshockers have proven that it's basically a lie. I have the feeling Nintendo went out of their way to say Atlus is localising this game so most people would attack them instead. Luckily, that one tripfriend from a while back confirmed Nintendo is giving them orders to change stuff.
>>335428284
https://www.reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/4g8bpp/tokyo_mirage_sessions_fe_suffers_more_censorship/d2fct87
>>335428682
Are you okay?
>>335428592
>literal marketing
>>335428798
That shit is useless now. Remember all those shitty shovelware that came out on Wii and Nintendo still approved them even though those games were literally unplayable? That Seal of Quality is no longer existant.
What was altered?
>I've gotten a bunch of emails this weekend to our general inbox asking about the same thing, but because we're not the publisher on this, I can't. I don't actually know any of the content of the game either, since only our localizers worked on the game.
- Atlus PR dude on plebbit
>>335428809
>Fans of Persona are fans of Persona games
No shit Sherlock.
>>335428282
Also hi.
Not an example to implicate Nintendo, but one to show that Japanese game devs was already stereotyping western audiences as being oversensitive and toxic as early in 1989.
There are probably other examples, but these quickly come to mind.
I mean, take away panties and sexual imagery from other games, fine. But one about the idol industry? Stuff is already going to be lost in the localization, and only a select few will understand what #FE is really going for, but won't it give off the wrong impression when you start removing said elements?
>>335428267
What is with all this criticism of gravure idols/idols in general? I get that it's not some peoples cup of tea, but it seems really overblown. Nobody is being held at gunpoint and signing up for it, it's something they voluntarily do on their own, they get paid, and they can leave later on and do their own thing.
>>335413852
SMTxFE was a game that I was on the fence for. Now that's its being censored it's an easy choice. No sale.
>>335428493
NoA employees must have some form of brain damage.
>>335428493
>make game that panders to otaku hardcore
>censor it because muh karaoke will make lots more money
>game flops
>intend to sell it to weebs overseas
>censor everything and get rid of the things weebs like in these pandering otaku games
You forgot one part.
>>335429004
Seal of Quality existed specifically to ensure NES games contained no offensive content. NoA reviewed every game that came out back then.
There were a few games that managed to slip sex and violence through, like Golgo 13, but not many.
>>335428696
>m-m-m-m-m-muh attach rate
>>335429004
That's never what the seal of quality meant, it only meant it wouldn't brick your console if you used it.
Atlusprime/John Hardin (Atlus USA's PR guy) has commented more on the issue:
>"I've gotten a bunch of emails this weekend to our general inbox asking about the same thing, but because we're not the publisher on this, I can't. I don't actually know any of the content of the game either, since only our localizers worked on the game."
http://www.reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/4g8bpp/tokyo_mirage_sessions_fe_suffers_more_censorship/d2g3ean
>>335429292
Because there are no idols in the west.
>>335429552
What we have is so much worse.
>>335429292
I don't think all those doujins about idols forced to suck Yakuza dick are pure fetishism. Those girls are abused, how many of them ending doing porn in the end?
It's anecdotal, but I was told on /jp/ that gravure videos where they film 15 year olds will feature "look forward to the hardcore version when she's old enough!" on the box.
>>335413852
>less revealing top
By a matter of inches maybe, not a big change or a big deal.
>age increases by a single year
Literally who cares? Rich coming from a group of people who would probably readily defend sexualizing a loli character because they're actually 1000 years old.
>pantsu to spats
Whatever.
>possibly no hot springs DLC
Okay, that one is pretty bad.
Was never planning on buying. RPG gameplay looks pretty shit and if I wanted to see/watch any of the kawaii idoru shit, I'll just watch some jap let's player or look up images elsewhere. This game is dicks.
>swimsuits are problematic in 2016
This wasn't the future I dreamed of as a kid. 20XX wasn't supposed to be like this
>>335429552
The west has "Pop Stars" which are just as awful
>>335429552
We have all those disney/nick kids thst end up on being degenerates.
>>335429795
>possibly no hot springs DLC
>possibly
Sorry lad they already confirmed it.
>>335429683
Jesus dude.
>>335413952
K-K-K! K-K-K!
>>335413852
Alright, I'm on board. Where do I sign up to stop this shit. I'm fucking done. I've had enough. I want it to end.
Didn't buy Fates, not buying this. Get your shit together Nintendo.
>>335429990
It will never end.
Soon Nintendo will fine new and exciting things to censor just so Treehouse can get paid.
>>335413852
Another rerun? I've seen this episode before, it's the one where all the weird autists on /v/ get all shook up over nothing and the thread goes on forever.
>>335429990
NoA/E doesn't care. They've been doing this shit for years and they just don't give a fuck. Even within the last few years when people started to bitch louder, they don't care. You can bitch and moan but they'll do this until they're bankrupted. They. Do. Not. Care.
All you can do is stop buying NoA/E games.
>>335430158
>its a Nintendo fanboy cries about exposing Nintendo's fault episode
>>335429683
delet this
>>335429990
>I want it to end.
You know what to do, Anon.
>>335428696
Wait are you implying the WiiU is selling?
Holy shit this is some next level delusion
>>335429552
Seems like it, these games seem to mostly criticize, if you want to call it that, certain things like overly obsessive stalker fans, etc., but people seem to take it and run with it, making it seem like the game is condemning the entire industry. The girls still have fun doing it.
>>335429757
If they choose to do it, what's the problem? Maybe it exists in a few isolated incidents, and it's wrong in those case, but the extremely vast majority of these girls are not sold of to the yakuza and forced to become gravure idols, then to do jav when then they can. For almost all of them, it's literally just easy money and fame, they stand there and pose, water plants, look of into the distance, etc. If they want to get into more risque stuff later, I don't see the issue.
>>335413852
I didn't give a fuck about this game the moment they actually showed it off, but it's still infuriating to see Nintendo censoring more shit. They, and their retarded apologists, need to pull their heads out of their collective heads out of each others asses.
>>335429683
All of my boners. I don't really find Hannah Montana that attractive, but groping is one of my many fetishes.
>>335430121
>It will never end.
It probably will end eventually. And seemingly out of nowhere and randomly.
And then it will begin again. Seemingly out of nowhere and randomly.
Nintendo used to alter and censor the fuck out of their products in the past. And then for almost the entirety of the GC and Wii eras, they did none to minimal censorship to their games.
And then now with the Wii U era, they abruptly started again for some reason.
Why they stopped and why they started again? Who knows. But it will probably happen again when we least expect it. In the far off future.
>>335430506
They didn't stop during those years. There just wasn't as much coverage.
>>335413852
>Game has minor alterations that in no way affect gameplay
>"C-CENSORSHIP!"
>Game has minor social justice elements that in no way affect gameplay
>"SH-SH-SHUT IT DOWN!"
>>335429990
Just drop Nintendo like it's hot and ignore anything they put out.
Which in the end doesn't matter because the number of people who will still buy Nintendo will always outnumber the people who won't.
>>335430121
>>335430345
>>335430421
But I don't want to give up. I want THEM to stop. I want to do something to stop them. I don't care how long it takes, I just want them to be stopped.
>>335427909
>giving a shit about literal textures
You faggots are fucking mental.
>>335430768
Just take solace in the fact that the NX is launching a few years into a generation where the PS4 is skating competition and will most likely have Nintendo put into the irrelevant hole again like they have been this generation.
>>335427589
>being this triggered
Go back to your 8gag shithole goober.
>>335430691
>that in no way affect gameplay
Can't ruin what's already fucked up kek
Christ, they just can't help themselves can they? When did swimsuits become so taboo anyway?
>Sequel is happening
>'B-but muh sales'
#FE OST was in TOP3 of japanese iTunes. Get over it, nerds. Its finally happening and you literally can do nothing about it.
>game about the evils of the idol industry
>censored in the US
>loses a good bit of the intended symbolism
>people are okay with it
>>335431057
Since the 21st century.
>>335427909
Kek. Yokai Watch levels of autism. What the fuck is wrong with America?
>>335428592
>SMT/Persona.
>The games previously developed by the same staff.
wew
>>335430348
lol nah, pc master race
i just like to come into these threads and watch neckbeards sweat the little shit.
>>335431197
I can't wait for it to flop even harder than the first one then
>>335431267
The staff did other games you know.
>>335429220
#FE wasn't a deep, deconstruction of the idol industry you fucking nerd
>>335431197
Holy shit haters BTFO.
>>335417646
This. All publicity is good publicity.
WiiU was a fucking mess cause 0 marketing and people thinking it was just an iterative upgrade to wii.
Every sjw bitching about nintendo will let everyone know about NX, and the games they are QQing about.
>>335431197
The songs are actually enjoyable. Which is why they forced the cero rating down to B in hopes to make the karaoke more popular.
Give me more cute! Give me more cool!
>>335431197
>10 whole reviews
what a seller
Why is it called fire emblem if it has nothing to do with fire emblem?
>>335431197
When did I say anything about sequels and sales? I'm only upset the game is being censored. I don't mind it getting a sequel. This isn't the SMT x FE I wanted but I wouldn't have it taken away from others because of my own displeasure.
>>335431452
Radient Historia?
Strange Journey?
Nocturne?
Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon?
>>335430027
>>335429683
WHY THEY PUTTA DIK INNAN PIIISSAAAAAAAY
>>335431706
>he thinks reviews matters on sales
Are you fucking retarded? That's not how sales charts works.
>>335431736
But Marth sings in it
>>335431506
>music sold better than the game itself
>somehow this BTFO the "haters"
Also Japanese iTunes? Come back when it tops worldwide or something lol
>>335431930
It shows that the sales were from a temporary spike and wasn't a long-term seller
>>335431736
fire emblem is shit.
>>335430995
>replying nearly an hour later
>projecting
>still having a complex about an imaginary enemy
>still trying to hide your mad behind images
>>335430691
I would actually be fine if nothing got censored. If I'm entitled to my tits and ass, SJWs are entitled to their regressive opinions. I just want everyone to enjoy what they enjoy without it being shat on.
>>335431939
>Top in the entire country
>'I-it doesn't matter guys i-its n-nothing I swear!!'
You should control your damage better than this.
>>335431197
But how can they top that shitty ending?
>>335429757
>Those girls are abused
Idols are for bullying.
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1460399861579.webm
>>335432020
>he thinks music must sell more than a month to be proven successful
We're not talking about worldwide release here. Its niche and it still topped. Meaning it sold a shitload.
>>335432024
>he was here entire time
You got nothing else to do with your life, loser? Call me surprised lol.
>>335432207
You're right I should learn from you I mean every thread you damage control everytime someone says this game was a flop
>>335432360
Nobody buys music anymore, let alone on iTunes. What you're seeing is 95% of its lifetime sales being burnt in one go and even then it couldn't crack the top spot for a single distributor in a dying industry
The game was not a success and that's a fact.
>>335432350
Savage
>>335413852
Hard to believe that this was made the same company that makes games about the apocalypse and negotiating with demons.
>>335432493
>keeping the thread open and doing something else isn't possible
Stay stupid, and stay banned.
>>335432572
>Nobody buys music anymore
>being this retarded
>>335432572
>Nobody buys music anymore
Only in the West.
>>335432526
>4chan is one man
Shitpost more please.
>>335413852
The game and it's fans deserved this fate.
>>335416101
Well SMT4F isn't gonna be altered at least, the announcement trailer even uncensored the gore that was censored in the japanese trailer
>>335432350
>>335432583
Truly a skill to be able to cry on demand. Honestly kind of envious.
>>335431797
>backpedalling this hard
>>335431197
kek I can't wait for /v/ shitposting with sequel announce desu.
>>335432949
In the whole world
Music sales have been on a downward trend since napster. You recoup your money through streaming services, tours and merchandise.
>>335433145
>SMT4F isn't gonna be altered at least
>being this delusional
>>335432960
>4chan is one man
No but this game fanbase is though :^)
>>335433324
>Music sales have been on a downward trend since napster
Shitposting must be subtle. Try harder next time.
>>335433145
>censored title
>obviously censored voice acting
>censored script
Keep on drinking your Atlus USA Kool-Aid.
>>335433471
>look at hour ignorant I am!
>>335433475
>censored title
>implying the word "final" is something that needed to be censored
>>335433653
Not even that guy but
>US only
>bawww muh censorship bawww
Don't give a shit about the game in the first place. Tits or not, it was never going to be good.
>>335433653
>Musicredef
>>335433653
>musicredef
Literally who?
>>335433815
What happens in America happens globally
>>335433840
>>335433945
>literally one minute apart
ebin
>>335433826
Shit+tiddies+panties>shit
>>335434020
>completely ignoring the questions because of some le ebin coincidence
>still info from some obscure shitty site without actual sources
Well memed.
>>335434262
I think I've posted enough
Even the digital spike a few years ago has ended and digital sales are now in decline
>American music is shit and getting even shittier by the day
Tell me something we don't already know.
>>335434170
>>335434020
>>335434262
>global declining sales of music combined into billions proving that products sales are bad
You logic is crippled.
>>335434262
>>335434375
>>335434170
>>335434020
>>335433653
>declining
>still billions
>>335421592
IFI does as well, although their response is more like "we won't touch the games at all." At least Monster Monpiece will be uncensored on Steam.
>>335434262
>10.4 billions physical
Well fuck, industry is literally DOOMED.
>>335434634
try reading the post chain, I was just replying to a dumbass who thought music revenue wasn't in a terminal decline
>>335434729
Where is the Japanese text?
>>335434780
and all 10.4 billion is going straight to #FE!
>>335434863
Import the game, retard.
What kind of stupid fucking thing is this to beg for?
>>335433653
>that spike in vinyl at the end
hipsters
>>335434951
Most of Degica's games have it.
>>335433653
So? Top charters within those billions are still top charters. Stop being retarded.
>>335431496
But they took out sexual imagery in a dungeon highlighting gravure models. What explanation is there?
>>335429683
whoever got that service must have felt like a million bucks for awhile.
>>335433653
Even ignoring musicredef's credibility or lack thereof.
Almost everyone bringing up piracy as a thing that cut the music industry in half, fails to bring up how the videogames industry and the movie industry grew.
The videogames industry, used to be by far the smallest industry of the three. It has since grown to be by far the largest, to the point where it can dwarf the other two.
Movies? They haven't grown nearly as much as videogames. But the movie industry has actually grown a lot as well. The revenue of each movie season is ridiculous now compared to in the past, and the cinemas who show these movies are making more money than ever as well.
Now where does that leave the music industry? Behind most certainly. They used to be largest industry by far, and they no longer are.
But this is because of piracy you say? Then how could that be if movies and videogames are pirated just as much as well? There are statistics suggesting that they are pirated far more even.
The true answer here is not piracy. It's just that each household have limited disposable income. And music has fallen down the list of priority. Even though people used to buy music, they buy videogames or goes to see the movies instead. Because they prefer those things over music.
>>335428583
He meant a game on a Nintendo console.
>>335413852
Yknow, I think the fact the director of Berseria felt the need to clarify that Velvet's ripped up clothes wouldn't be censored in the West, is a sign that devs are increasingly seeing this as "the norm", and *not* censoring the game is considered "generous" or "respectful to fans"
censoring shouldn't be a thing in the first place, now they're gonna expect us to slurp on their knobs for NOT censoring something
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