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>>335343381
NO ONE IS LATE
We tabletop games now. MMORPG? What the fuck is that
What are we mad about now?
>>335343323
>tfw grew up poor in the shitty part of Europe
>only knew people were playing wow, never knew what retail was like, only shit cracked servers
>big fan of warcraft so i got mad jelly of people that played it
>finally can afford to play it in 2016, buy wod and play for a few days
goddamn what a piece of shit game, i feel bad for buying wod
>>335343323
What is this? The hell is a world quest?
>>335344475
weekly quests with a new name
>>335344189
your reward for playing is to be able to not play
So you need to spend a huge amount of resources if you want to skip one quest and you can only use this ability once per week?
>>335345009
Yes, and /v/ will act like it's the end of WoW. They'll look for any reason to hate it.
>>335343323
is every class hall going to have this tree or will it be different for each class?
>>335344991
>Can skip 1 quest every 3 days
Oh boy
>>335345574
Different for each class except everyones final one is the same (ability to equip an addition world legendary)
all i ever wanted are completing quests instantly
>Arcane Armaments (Tier 5) - You can place a work order for Champion armaments and equipment.
So followers, garrison missions AND follower upgrade gear.
WoD 2.0
>Blizzdrones pay $15 a month to not play a game
lmao desu
>>335346450
Kinda like me and the TV-license.
>>335346004
No, many ones are the same. Check mmo-champion.com for the complete list.
>>335346245
>garrison
>GARRISON
Fuck this, I'm out.
>>335348769
N-No Anon you idiot it's not the garrison system with a new coat of paint, y-y-you're just a hater! T-The game is better off without people like you!
>>335348294
>tfw my flatmates pissed their pants and bought one out of fear and I had to pay 1/3 and they didn't even bring a TV to uni and expected me to fucking provide a TV for the living room and I did and no one fucking used it so I put a smaller TV in there and took mine in my room and they bitched at me
Fucking povvo cunts. Living on my own next time.thanks for listening
>>335348769
>Garrison
Um excuse me it's the ORDER HALL. You aren't doing garrison missions with followers while setting up garrison work orders.
You're doing ORDER HALL MISSIONS with your CHAMPIONS while settings up ORDER HALL WORK ORDERS.
>>335346245
>b-b-but it's not just Garrisons!
>It's a totally different system!
>It just uses Resources, Upgrading followers, time gates, the same rewards, the same interface, and the same core concept of offline progression and hard time gates that cannot be bypassed!I miss Isle of Thunder
>>335348954
>Flatmates
More like flASSHOLES. Bet they still ask their parents for money every once in a while out of bad economy management and bad habits.
>guys its slightly different from garrisons so its not garrisons calm down
Doesn't matter how different it is. The point is people clearly don't want this menu management shit in an mmo.
The class hall being a quest hub is fine but all this champion, resources and menu garbage need to just be removed. Blizzard clearly worked hard on this interface and are just pissed people don't like it
>>335349102
>Isle of Thunder
Is this supposed to be irony? Because that island was time gated as well.
>>335349116
one of my housemates gets £5k off her dad and still gets full student loan because she's briandead.
The other ones not as bad but he can be a solid cunt when it comes to house issues.
Never live with anyone you haven't already lived with.
>>335349206
It was, but it was presented better and, onmce the time gate was over for the server, it was over forever for everyone, you didn't have to sit through FOUIRTEEN FUCKING DAY research times on EVERY FUCKING ALT before you could even consider raiding.
>Everybody hates Garrisons
>Blizzard brings them back
>Everybody hates Versatility
>Blizzard keeps it
>Fire Mages all love Combustion
>Blizzard removes it
Fuck Blizzard.
>>335349216
>one of my housemates gets £5k off her dad
>£5k
>5-fucking thousand-britbongdollaridoo
And I felt like a fucking ashole getting 500 SEK every second or third month from my grandma while living here in Tokyo. And I don't even need them, but she insists.
>>335349396
Activision-Blizzard*
And yeah, they have no clue what their fans want these days. YOU THINK YOU DO.
>>335349131
It's an easy time gate Skinner box that keeps people on the hook. It's the trappings of a mobile game like clash Royale with the microtransaction being a flat monthly. It's pretty disgusting how transparent it is.
>>335349396
>removes combustion
what
jesus christ do they know no bounds?
>>335349396
>fire Mages love combustion
What? Are you retarded? No, no Fire Mage likes being a DoT based spec, and the change of combustion back to its old glory and the refocusing of Fire Mage back on BIG DICK PB CRITS is one of the best things about Legion period
>>335349430
>they have no clue what their fans want these days
Oh they know very well what they want. The problem is the game is led by 2 egos the since of the galaxy, who will never let anyone else direct their design, because they are perfect and all their ideas are just as perfect as them.
You'll shut the fuck up and like whatever Alex "You have 10 days" Afrasiabi likes
>>335349493
>referring to any part of Legion as "best" unless it's best at being a piece of shit
Pathetic.
>>335349557
>>referring to any part of Legion as "best" unless it's best at being a piece of shit
Argument can be added to any game in existence if you're gonna be cynical. But I'm not gonna defend some of the decisions in Legion.
>people actually had any hope for Legion
WoW players are the biggest cucks in video games.
How many times have you fags been cheated? Almost on a yearly basis now. Things won't change if you keep buying garbage.
That Nost petition might be annoying when its spammed but at least its WoWcucks finally doing at least something to stand up for themselves
This whole "well maybe next time" attitude people have with expansions needs to end
>>335349414
I'd say 80% of the people I've met really get a ton of help off their parents, but will bitch about not having money or not getting anything.
I haven't had anything from my family throughout my degree and idgaf, considering I'm an adult.Don't feel bad about getting money of your mormor, she loves you and wants you to be happy
>>335349557
Oh fuck off, Jackie 4Chan, spewing /v/ approved opinions, outside of the Garrisons 2.0, Legion looks fucking great.
>>335349627
>Argument can be added to any game in existence
You might be able to doesn't mean it would be right, at least when it comes to Legion it is. What a piece of shit.
>>335349481
They've completely gutted Fire. Combustion is being turned into a generic 3 minute CD that increases your crit by 100% for 15 seconds.
>>335349493
Combustion has been a mainstay of Fire since day 1 Vanilla and it's one of the only unique abilities remaining in the game. Legion Fire is a travesty, it's literally the same gameplay as current Frost and it's disgusting. There is no defense for what Blizzard is doing to Fire in Legion.
Fire as it is right now is almost perfect. Shift a little of the Pyroblast damage off the DoT and into the spell itself and there's no problem with it at all.
>BLIZZARD'LL FIX EVERYTHING, JUST YOU WAIT AND SEEYou think they will,but they won't.
>>335349675
Like I said, if you want to be cynical. And I also didn't want to defend some of the decisions in Legion either.
But I'm kinda fed up with the "disregard opinions because I think this game is complete shit with no redeeming values".
>>335349708
>Combustion is being turned into a generic 3 minute CD that increases your crit by 100% for 15 seconds.
Sounds great, about time Fire goes back to what it originally was, before you played the game, and not the limped wristed DoT faggot spec it is now.
>>335349782
Yeah well us, the playerbase are fed up getting served pieces of shit every fucking time. I'm actually missing crap like ToT now.
>Hire D3 team to work on WoW
>Get D3
Did they think because the D3 team helped save Destiny that this shit would fly?
Dead on arrival.
Even HE betrays us
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqXKm8_yd64
Do we have a list of the traitors yet?
>Asmongold
>BellularGaming
>Nixxiom
>Pat the NES punk
>JonTron
>HayvenGames
>Sodapoppin
>HeelvsBabyface
>Athene
>Boogie
>WowCrendor
We only have Preach and the official forums left, Blizzbros.. why the FUCK IS THIS HAPPENING
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
WHY THE FUCK DO THEY ALL KEEP SHITTING ON BLIZZ?! CAN'T THEY SEE HOW GREAT WOD AND LEGION ARE
>>335349708
>Combustion is being turned into a generic 3 minute CD that increases your crit by 100% for 15 seconds.
You mean it's being reverted from when they tried to make Fire a DoT spec and being turned back into what it was from Day 1?
The only problem with Fire in Legion atm is the Living Bomb spread mechanic, because they wanted to make it like HOTS Kael bomb, but forgot that bomb only lasts a few seconds before exploding and spreading, not a third of a fucking minute.
If you want a DoT class, go play fucking Affliction lock, I want old, fun, Incidental DoT fire back,and it looks like I'm fucking getting it and you're eating shit.
Jesus, Garrisons 2.0 confirmed
Gonna be fun watching the Blizzcucks go through the five stages again
>hey chef how about we take that idiot that made everybody hate diablo and put him on WoW I mean they'll buy everything
Good going Blizzard
>>335349819
I know what you mean. Been playing since vanilla and even if wotlk was my favorite expansion, it started going downhill from there trying to keep players by making everything easily accessible. Just look at their subscription numbers from cataclysm and onwards.
>>335349908
Preach doesn't want to take a side and only focuses on WoW raiding. Not WoW as a fun game.
>>335349908
>YA BOY ASMONGOLD
Mememan, opinion discarded
>Nixxiom
Nelf DK RPer who plays on yurop servers, opinion discarded
>JonTron
ECH
>Boogie
Literally makes a living by whining, opinion discarded
>All those literally whos
kek
>CrendorHe's allowed to have his opinion and I respect his life choices but expected better of him
>>335349858
>Did they think because the D3 team helped save Destiny that this shit would fly?
It's has nothing to do with D3 team saving anything.
The matter is all about maximizing WoW RNG. If you can inject D3 level RNG in to every aspect of WoW, you have a recipe to keep people grinding for years.
>>335349908
i love watching lazy peon's videos hes pretty awesome
>>335343323
i genuinely wonder how they fill FIX all this shit in expansion after legion
>here is your asbringer for entire 10 levels, after that you can change it to superior green
>>335350000
>Just look at their subscription numbers from cataclysm
You mean the expansion that lost nearly no sub and maintained the highest sub numbers in the history of WoW?
Yeah, okay, I'm looking at it, what am I supposed to be seeing here, Quadnon?
>>335350105
Yeah he's one of the few MMO channels I bother watching all the content from. I think it helps that he's not a little SJW cucked bitch, even calls things faggots all the time and yet somehow never gets shit for it.
>>335349931
>How to spot someone who isn't crit softcapped
>>335350051
Preach is a balding guy in his late 30s who makes a living on making videos about a dying game. I don't blame him for his "opinions" but he clearly isn't honest about them. If you want honest Preach, go back to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rd0-zVIBVo
It's from a time when he wasn't depending on choking on Blizzdick and say what he actually felt.
>>335350070
>If you can inject D3 level RNG in to every aspect of WoW, you have a recipe to keep people grinding for years.
didn't D3 bleed players after launch despite all the free content updates and it being one of the best selling games of all time? Sure its the kind of game where you can come and go as you please with seasons, but that game doesn't have a high concurrent number of players.
>>335343323
People here really try to make ant hills into mountains, especially with Blizzard.
>>335350128
You're getting Cata and WotLK subs confused. Cata bled out 2m subs.
>>335350052
>but expected better of him
Like what?
>>335349216
>live with three others
>two never tidy up
>the third buys things she wants and tries to get the whole house to pay for them because it's "for the house"
Fuck you Sara. That new TV is for you and you know it you fucking cunt.
>>335350285
>that WoD rise and fall
They could have avoided this
>>335350251
>didn't D3 bleed players after launch
Considering it managed to be a top quarterly earner in Q2 2015 and Q4 2014, and also become a 10th highest selling game of all time (with more than 50% of its sales coming well after launch) no, not really.
>>335350128
Do you want me to buy you some new glasses, you retard?
>>335350262
This. People are just looking for stuff to be outraged about, and are picking the wrong stuff that blizzard are doing
>>335349651
>N-NO THE NEW EXPANSION WILL BE JUST LIKE BURNING CRUSADE I SWEAR!!!
>>335349979
Nah that ain't it, Wilson was shifted away from D3 to wow. Besides Chilton the legion team is made up of their failures and new blood, while Kaplan and the A team are on overwatch. Wow is now their sustainable project built to generate as much money as possible while doing the least amount of work or investment. Less raids, dungeons,quests,factions, and bgs, but more content like garrisons,daily hubs,time gated rep grinds and weekly quests, and the biggest of them all expansion long legendary (artifact) grinds. WoW has gone full 100%skinner box
>>335350229
I saw a recent video of him comparing raid progression in TBC was great and in WoD is a piece of shit, and that you have no content to do
>>335345238
It's not about liking or disliking it. It's inherently uninteresting to the majority demographic that's interested in MMOs.
>>335343323
CITIZENS OF DARLARAN RAISE YOUR EYES TO THE WORLD MAP ABOVE AND OBSERVE.
Wonder if Rhonins Ghost just appears on the world map, nukes the enemies and vanishes.
I dont even have the capacity to be surprised or disappointed at actiblizz anymore
>>335350370
People bought it and release was shaky. People started coming back when they nerfed difficulties, added MP level and paragon. RoS was the one that made it explode in sales.
>>335350229
I think he was honest in his statements about Nostralius, as he was arguing from information he had at the time. In lieu of all those ex WoW devs coming out about server costs and how Oldschool RS is run on a 3 man skeleton crew, the only real valid counter argument hes made about nost is the fact that the unwashed masses will flock to the server expecting content, or updates of some kind.
There really are some daft people who play this game.There is no IQ requirement for having access to the internet either.
>>335348954
>living in Europe
>>335350229
top kek he shits on blizzard all the fucking time
>>335350538
Better than Asia.
>>335350515
>There really are some daft people who play this game
Sure there are, how else could you explain the 3 million people still subbed to this steaming pile of shit.
>>335350515
>Oldschool RS is run on a 3 man skeleton crew
OSRS had its team significantly expanded because it was making so much money. They've got 3 code monkeys now, and 11 people working on it in total.
Ash is a legit Wizard though. some of the shit he does with the game is incredible.
>>335350285Look at the spots where Dungeon finder, Raid finder, and CRZ were implemented.
you're welcome.
>>335350610
Chinks with their choose any amount of time subs.
>>335350445
>Nah that ain't it, Wilson was shifted away from D3 to wow.
They also moved Don Vu, Diablo 3's Legendary item designer to WoW as well as John Yang, Diablo's lead designer.
World of Diablocraft: RNG Grinding Edition
Guys why cant we just move on
Why do we all still care about this shit 10 years later
>>335350637
>OSRS had its team significantly expanded because it was making so much money
DELETE THIS
NOBODY WANTS TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR OLD CONTENT
BLIZZARD SAID SO
>Blizzard wants yearly expansions
>every expansion since after Wrath has been slap dash and lacking content
This game basically became Everquest. Everyone who's still hoping for a Burning Crusade level expansion needs to give up.
TBC is something that will never happen again
>>335350573
IDK, living in Russia could be neat.
>Jontron speaks out about Nost
>Shows off how much of a fucking uneducated retard he is
>Hasn't played since Wrath and thinks his opinion holds any weight whatsoever
>Didn't even play MoP, one of the best expansions
>Thinks he can rightly criticize WoW despite not having played retail in years
It was embarrassing to watch.
>>335350637
>OSRS had its team significantly expanded because it was making so much money.
>>335350751
>Didn't even play MoP, one of the best expansions
This (you) is on the house, cuck
>>335350751
>MoP
>one of the best expansions
>>335350750
Russia is part european.
>>335349908
When ATHEEEEEEEEEEEEENE the BEST PALADIN IN DA WOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD says the current state of the game is shit, you know what's up.
>>335350751
KYS
>>335343323
Thank god I dropped WoW at the start of Cataclysm, everything went downhill after you killed Arthas and they started catering to normalfags with dungeom/raid finder and nerfing anything that proposed a challenge.
>>335350713
Y-YEAH YOU TELL EM'
BLIZZARD WOULD NEVER BETRAY THE FANS
>>335350798
It had the most enjoyable starting zone. Rest of the expansion was meh.
>>335349396
>versatility
Nobody has the prerogative to diss it with main-stat stacking being a thing. It's also the best stat for a bunch of specs because it's that x% damage that we used to get from talents.
>>335350781
>>335350798
>People who didn't play MoP
It's always so easy to find which ones you are.
>>335350897
I didn't like MoP at all, felt too chaotic, crowded with mobs.
>>335350445
>Wow is now their sustainable project built to generate as much money as possible while doing the least amount of work or investment. Less raids, dungeons,quests,factions, and bgs, but more content like garrisons,daily hubs,time gated rep grinds and weekly quests, and the biggest of them all expansion long legendary (artifact) grinds
If this was really the case, they'd probably love the people asking for legacy servers, not reject them.
Legacy servers don't need any active content development at all outside bug fixing, no new content at all to make, just gross profit minus negligible server costs.
>>335350681
>people who had no clue what made D2 so great fuck it up
>now the same people are on WoD/Legion and have no clue what made vanilla/BC so great
I wonder how Legion will turn out :^)
>content that allows you to skip content
Blizzard fags will defend this.
>>335350713
>>335350876
YOU GUYS KEEP PREACHING, THESE FAGS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY REALLY WANT
>>335350729
>been awake for two days and some change
>can't sleep because of reasons
>thought that thumbnail was a picture of an alien standing on the beach
>>335350853
>>335350798
>>335350781
Not him, but there were 3 things wrong with MoP.
1. Putting raid gear and important enchants behind reps/dailies causing players to burn out in 5.0
2. Pandas
3. 14 months of SoO.
This 1 raid tier a year shit is getting stale blizz.
>>335350946
Making yearly expansions and less content in them prints them more money than hosting a old school server that a small niche crowd would pay to play.
Just wait. Legacy servers WILL happen.
Once they feel like they can't shit out any more expansions they'll have to milk the playerbase somehow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq-HwvYjLLg
>>335343323
Its the lowest tier reward given for the world quest. They're done in three tiers.
>>335351034
>This 1 raid tier a year shit is getting stale blizz
Next time it will be different, goy. To make sure of that we are charging 10 bucks more
>>335351061
>Small niche
Uh huh
>>335351034
>year of ICC
>year of DS
>year of SoO
>year of HFC
I'm starting to see a pattern
>>335349627
>>335349658
>game has the same content problems as ever
>it'll be neat!
>>335350946
Maybe in the future but they have legion to shill, nobody would buy it if legacy servers hit. Subs are down and they are nearing a new xpac release. Why do you think they killed nost? Its early enough out that most player outrage will die down and normies will go back to being clueless
>>335351061
>that a small niche crowd would pay to play.
Yeah they said the exact same about ORS. It's played more than the modern version now.
>>335351016
PETITION MASTER DISGRACE AM I RIGHT?
N-NEVER EVER!
>>335351146
More than a year of SoO and HFC. Siege was 14 months, HFC is going to be 15.
>>335351178
Where did I say it would be neat?
>>335351034
>1. Putting raid gear and important enchants behind reps/dailies causing players to burn out in 5.0
Previous expansions did this as well.
>2. Pandas
Kill yourself you fucking faggot, not even real criticism.
>3. 14 months of SoO.
Wrath and Cata also had a long drought.
>>335351140
Nost the biggest private server ever at its peak only had 100k active players and that's counting everyone from every region in the world that was playing on two free to play servers.
>>335351181
>nobody would buy it if legacy servers hit.
I assume you missed the 3 million people still playing modern WoW happily, who will still buy Legion.
The majority of the people wanting Legacy aren't subbed anymore, they want legacy BECAUSE modern WoW is shit. That's not a conflict of demographic, that's added subs when non-subbed players return for legacy.
>>335351034
one raid a year keeps the goyim in fear
>>335350814
vlad pls
>>335351112
Basically this
The ability that completes a world quest only works on the smaller quests, not the more challenging and rewarding quests.
>>335343323
>every day a World of Warcraft thread with 500 replays and a ton of addicts
You fuckers are going to buy the game anyways, even if you are trying to deny it. It's a symptom of addiction.
>>335351207
>It's played more than the modern version now
It's probably what Blizzard fears the most. Why the fuck would anybody play WoD/Legion if they could play Classic/BC instead?
It makes perfect sense for them to not set up Legacy realms.
>>335351251
>Vanilla was the only time WoW ever had a fast, consistent, health patch turnover rate that justified paying $15/month for.
Blizzard is no longer going into the games development with the mentality of wanting to make an rpg
Now they go into development with wanting to make sure that everything is balanced, everything is accessible and treat the entire game like its some kind of product/esport.
This game was made by a bunch of fags who played EQ and wanted to make their own version. Even back in 2004 this game was normie tier in terms of accessibility and there's nothing wrong with that.
Seeing how most people react to Vanilla now shows how badly the main demographics attention span has fallen
>>335343323
>talent trees with those comfy as fuck backgrounds removed to dumb down the game
>they eventually backpedal on talent trees and now they're back with artifacts
>they use the old comfy backgrounds for garrison 2.0 uis
It's like adding insult to injury.
>>335351291
You clearly can't think like a businessman, why take the risk? You dropped from 10 million to 3 in a year. Eliminate all other threats regardless of their reason.
They're killing WOW.
On purpose.
Legion is going to be the last major expansion, after legion they're going to leave a skeleton crew to periodically update the game.
Right now they're focusing on their big new IP, overwatch, because overwatch is the first real chance they've had to do anything new in 17 years, activision blizzard has pretty much dropped the hammer, every single game blizzard has released in the passed 6 years has been a conglomerate wide failure, while yes its raking in blizzard millions if not billions, the costs per year for blizzard and acti-blizzard alone is costing significantly more then what the CEO's believe the company is worth, and is why Vivindi Game's is trying to sell off blizzard in their prime stock value.
However with WOW chronicle they're essentially gathering all the internal lore data for old fags like us.
And with their new Traveler series theyre setting up the next generation to be involved with the series as well.
The question is, after legion, are we getting WC4 or WOW2?
>>335346245
Okay it's better than Garrisons because you go and do missions and other players are in it but holy shit why do they want to bring it back? No one found it fun. I swear they're incapable of taking negative feedback. Just a bunch of egotistical retards because good people left or moved to Overwatch.
>>335348954
Who the fuck even owns and watches TV in this day and age. It's an ad-infested relic of an older time.
>>335351115
I was told not to believe your lies morhaime
>>335351251
What the fuck happened with WoD? I didn't know the situation was THIS bad. My gosh.
>>335350610
The Chinese don't have to pay a monthly sub and are counted for "subs" if they log in. Their time cards only expire if they're logged on.
NA is 9% of the internet, which is about 490k subs.
>>335344071
Speaking of tabletop has anyone tried the wow one? How about the D&D version of wow?
>>335351348
TBC just had all of its content shoved in at the expansions launch.
Notice where major content drought begins where dungeon finder was introduced
>>335350696
Because they probably fluff their sub numbers with chink "subs", and it still affects the industry.
Out of all the threads on /v/, these ones always have the least amount of intelligent (As far as /v/ standards go) arguing and constructive criticism.
>>335349708
Glad I left WoW behind, I'll never forget the fun that was multi-million damage combustions on alysrazor and single-handedly carrying dps for that fight. RIP
>>335351263
>Kill yourself you fucking faggot, not even real criticism.
Pandas are shit and you know it. Literal meme race.
>Wrath and Cata also had a long drought.
Wrath had a tier 10.5 raid in the middle of it and the raid was released in wings which made the whole thing tolerable. Cata's "drought" lasted 9 months. 5 months shorter than SoO and HFC
>>335351687
Thats because its clickbait.
>>335351620
It's literally just D&D 3.5 with Warcraft flavor. It's awful, just like every other d20 game that didn't go out of its way to rework the game from the ground up.
>>335351613
They pulled devs off WoD and put them on Legion BEFORE WoD launched, that's what.
>>335351687
>Blizzcuck triggered because /v/ it not his personal hugbox
No offense, but maybe you should fuck off back to mmo-champion and the offical forums
>>335351687
I bet you're in every one of them too.
>>335351291
>3 million
See
>>335351615
>>335351675
>>335351251
How do WoWfags defend paying a monthly sub fee for 1 year long patch cycles?
Not even F2P MMOs or FFXIV is this bad.
>>335351804
>Legion will be good guise I swear
this is getting stale
>>335351613
During WoD development, Hearthstone became the biggest cash cow Blizzard ever had, but a huge margin.
This made them realise that consistently making huge expansions and raids and shit to make people stay subbed and playing WoW wasn't worth it anymore because WoW wasn't their big dog anymore, Hearthstone was.
Hearthstone can turn over content in an hour, design takes a fraction of the team, cost, testing, everything. It's a higher earning game with a MAJORLY lower development cost. It's a financial hat-trick, and with that logic they are moving to put WoW on to the backburner, turn it into a low content, low playerbase (1m tops) game where they can develop minimal content and monetize via cash shop mounts and pets and services.
>>335351261
>Legion looks fucking great.
If the other post, it still is taking a positive stand for the game that has no reason or deservedness thereof.
>>335351927
They don't have to pay for it. Token farming is easy as dicks.
If there's no middle expansion patch raid tier then this game is dead into the ground.
This is the first time in a long time I've seen even Blizzdrones this mad about the game. Everyone is mad and Blizzard can't just keep sitting their like idiots thinking their Drone built blast shield will keep them safe
Say what you will about MoP but ToT patch had a lot of shit in it
>>335350637
They could probably manage with 3, though, considering how of the content they create doesn't get voted in by the playerbase.
>>335351615
>This retarded internet penetration = subs argument
There isn't even a fucking toothpick of logic to this argument, stop posting it.
>>335351991
This would be true if the sub count didn't tank so fucking hard.
>>335351396
>every criticism for the game is to make it like vanilla instead of mobile shit
>that must mean their attention span is lower
..
>>335352026
Someone still had to buy those tokens for $20
Any good farming bots out there? Selling gold here in my shithole might be a decent income.
I used to play the AH game heavily back in WoTLK. Hit gold cap and gave most of it away to noobs when I dropped it
Think I still have 300k and shitton of profession shit around
>>335352072
That doesn't even relate at all to what he said. The subs plummeted because their shift in focus away from WoW, it didn't matter even with the launch days subs Hearthstone is STILL a bigger earner and a lower cost.
Insta-completing quests should be the least of your worries, honestly. What's concerning is that not only are there mandatory garrison missions, but they're introducing huge arbitrary wait times as well. It's a horrible skinner box designed to wring out sub time and hide the fact that there isn't much content.
Legion had to be really good to save wow, it's already mediocre at best. Let it go fampai
>>335351504
Pretty sure Blizz already bought themselves from Vivendi.
>>335352160
Blizzard fanboys will defend this by saying it's removing the instant rewards.
>>335352015
It has some positive parts. Not everyone is looking at the constant click bait as source of information and read patch notes once in a while.
But in general I don't like the looks of the expansion as a whole. But I can't deny the good parts of it.
Hey guys, just passing by this thread to say hi.And make sure you all know that I will be the Champion of the Light.
>>335352067
Law of large numbers.
Btw..
>
Your argument.
>>335352026
COPING
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>>335351296
OY, OY, RABBI
*counts shekels*
SO ARE YOU PROPOSING
*rubs hands*
ARE YOU SUGGESTING
*collects holocaust reparations*
THAT WE JEWS CAN
*checks penny stocks*
YOU ANTI SEMITE
*rubs hands*
SO YOU ARE SCHEMING
*vapes some Zyklon B*
SO YOU BE OFFERING
*polishes nose*
THAT WE CAN CHARGE 60 DOLLARS FOR AN EXPANSION, RAISE SUB FEES, AND RELEASE NO CONTENT FOR TWO YEARS? THE GOYIM WILL LOVE THESE NEW MOUNTS WE HAVE TO SELL!
>>335351251
Are you saying WoD is still in a x.1 patch??
That can't be true.
>>335352247
Are you fucking serious
I think the problem with WoW now is the over-abundance of gold. Picture related. Also, the garrison churns out like 130k a month if you focus on Treasure Hunters etc.
>>335350070
It was exactly the opposite, they made everything RNG so people didn't even bother grinding.
>>335352247
IT'S FAKE BAIT DON'T LOOK
>>335351687
There's nothing to say. The only decent critique, that the game's only method of improvement is sandbox design, gets ignored.
>>335352315
This doesn't seem right, somehow.
>>335352160
That picture is outdated, all final tier unlocks are now a raise on the legendary unique count. It's useful but legendaries are already nightmare RNG and you'll likely never even see 1 drop for youself, let alone more than one, so it's hardly mandatory.
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/409302-cmon-blizz-are-we-doing-this-again/
>Currently this ability only works on a small amount of World Quests - those akin to a daily quest. Does not work on dungeons, rare elites, bosses, etc.
>With that in mind, continued feedback is welcome!
>>335352305
It's in 6.2, but 6.1 was literally just a minor bugfix and the ability to take in-game selfies. It had no actual content. WoD is still in its first content patch.
>>335351991
WoW doesn't have to be so requisite of resources. The dev teams could simply make sandbox content. It's really that simple.
>>335352247
>>335352315
What am I even looking at?
>>335352314
>I think the problem with WoW now is the over-abundance of gold.
Yeah totally you fucking retard, it's not the lack of community, too easy game design, lack of content addition, single player design. It's the problem with you have 6 digits of many now instead of 4.
Just a reminder that it's cheaper to buy gold from gold sellers on North American servers and using that gold to buy gametime tokens than just paying a sub fee directly from Blizzard.
>>335352160
>research time: 14 days
Fuck off Blizzard
>>335352309
Yes I am.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=champion+of+the+light+illidan
>>335351517
Because it's a failsafe in case the WoW budget gets cut, like in was for WoD.
The reason garrison the garrison was so central in WoD was because so many content was canceled they had to rely on what they had to stall for time.
>>335352370
For minmaxers it's obviously going to be mandatory anyway
>nightmare RNG
I was really afraid of that. High tier guilds are going to be camping legendary-dropping mobs on spawn, aren't they?
>>335352239
Well, it's set up to be the same game without any content after raids.
>>335352315
What the... Are we throwing lore out of the fucking window now?
>>335352147
No, subs plummetted because they kept pissing on the core fanbase that kept the community growing, introducing their fellow RPG fans to this community driven adventure game.
Then they did everything in their power to kill guilds, force player to interact less and less.
Now raiding is is optional forms of content, you don't need to do it to see all the content.
They've done everything in their power since trial of the crusader to kill the core audience, in hopes of getting more and more subs, which worked for all of 6 months, then cataclysm hit, and it hit hard.
>>335352439
The in-game economy was one of the most important parts of the earlier WoW expansions, now any dipshit can make millions. Are you saying that it being butchered as well isn't just as bad as all the other bad decisions?
>>335349708
>Combustion has been a mainstay of Fire since day 1 Vanilla
>day 1 Vanilla
I'd hardly call a ten-minute cooldown that gave you a single guaranteed crit a "mainstay".
why do all new MMOs fail instantly if they don't cater to the waifufag anime grindshit audience?
>>335352491
It isn't that bad. Did you ever quest in badlands and do that quest where you had to seal a dreadlord inside that night elf guy? This is apparently him, after the night elf gained dominance and took control of the dreadlord's body.
>>335352491
>throwing lore out
Implying warcraft had lore.
Warcraft has never been anything more than war-hammer and all the cheesyiest fantasy tropes thrown in.
Anything happened with that Legacy petition yet?
>>335352558
because waifufag anime grindshit is popular
>>335352314
So I guess at this point who ever bids max bid in BMAH instantly wins t3 items ?
>The Order Halls aren't Garrisons 2.0.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/5644-Order-Hall-Upgrades-Warcraft-Movie-Artifact-Knowledge-Raid-Testing-Blue-Posts
>>335352558
People don't play MMOs anymore. They just play WoW out of inertia.
>>335352601
Yup.
>>335352568
Completely forgot about that one if it's the blasted lands one you're talking about.
>>335352571
It's still lore even if it is cheesy.
>>335352571
Pre-warcraft 3 maybe.
It has pretty cool and reasonably intricate lore if you actually bothered to read it which you haven't.
>>335352384
>>With that in mind, continued feedback is welcome!
Good joke, if you've been following DK development.
They changed Blood Strike from a Rune cost to a Runic Power cost. It's absoluitely AWFUL, it fucks with the reliability of your mitigation, slows down your opening pull mitigation, and takes too long to between Blood Strikes to get the required resource, and just generally just feels shitty in gameplay. Blood DKs have been giving a tidal wave of negative feedback on the matter, and here was their response:
>Death Strike is not moving back to costing Runes. Please advance the discussion to other topics.
>>335352656
>It has pretty cool and reasonably intricate lore if you actually bothered to read it which you haven't.
If you're a neckbeard virgin.
>>335350070
>rng
>keeping people
Dude no, modern people want everything they see in the game wiki immediately. D3 had to give people complete sets upon leveling to just keep them there for another season. the time of D2 are over, people got used to be pampered like giant babies.
>>335349396
They also fucked up the whole pvp.
>>335352656
>It has pretty cool and reasonably intricate lore if you actually bothered to read it which you haven't.
not him but I've played since WC2 and I've read almost all the books and lore. It's very casual and shallow camp, you just need to embrace it
>>335352465
>legendary-dropping mobs
Every mobs drops them, they are world drops, and have drop rates on par with old vanilla epic world drops.
>He still plays/cares about WoW
Can you guys just move on with your lives already? There's better video games out there besides this one.
>>335352643
Yeah I meant blasted lands
>>335352714
So we agree it has some decent lore than.
>>335350285
I am interested in how many people will buy Legion, it wouldn't surprise me if it would sell around 10M copies
>>335343323
I'm canceling my preorder after that blue post promised class halls would be totally different but theyre still garrisons lite with people. They just dont give a fuck anymore. Gonna try black desert or ff14 because i dont want to play a 2006 legacy server either. MMO became one of the lowest quality genres.
>Demon Hunter
>Well Prepared (Tier 1) - Increases the chance for quest rewards to get a rare or epic Bonus Upgrade from non-repeatable quests.
>Well Prepared
>>335352358
>Worshiping the light is impossible for Demons
You fucking racist
>>335352558
Because no western developer knows how to make an MMO that doesn't already have a sucessful MMO under their belts.
Its either that or they make WOW clones,
>>335352480
And then 2016b is just a blank image :^)
>>335352384
>clicking source
>reading that thread on the offical forums
I thoght the whole "Blizzcuck" thing was just a meme but holy fucking shit, these "people" actually do exist.
How?
>>335352894
Religious beliefs has nothing to do with races, though.
No matter how much Blizzard shits down your throat, you guys will still play their games.
My dad still plays WoW and he LOVES garrisons. Every time I go over, he wants to show me how he sets up the fillower quests and how efficient he can be.
What do?
>>335352784
Tell me a good modern MMO.
>>335352845
It will happen what always happens.
+10M sales because people still has curiosity of the game and after 2 months the subs will drop drastically. During legion the subs will go down 3M. This is not 2006 Blizzard.
>>335352961
The MMO age is over, play better video games in general
>>335352952
just pretend you're interested like any normal human being would
>>335352794
No. Because Neckbeard virgins don't enjoy decent lore.
>>335352908
Monday is tommorow. What excuse do you think Blizzard is going to roll out this time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas
>tfw this video is still relevant
>4 years later and nothing has changed
>LFRcucks still try to defend this horrible shitty queue that non one actually likes doing
Dungeon Finder and LFR destroyed this game.
>>335352952
Introduce him to facebook games
>>335352961inb4 bunch of angry posts
>>335352952
tell your father to stop being a shit eating drone
>>335352961
FFXIV: Heavenswards.
Mayor content patches every 3 months. Lots and lots of QoL content (not only "high end"). Good comunity, reward players for playing old content so new players can still play the 100% of the game as if it was released today...
It's just like comparing a NES game with a PS2 game.
>>335353065
Preach's opinions are shit.
He's right in this reguard, but if it was up to him the game would be nothing but raiding, because he makes money from his raiding guides.
>>335352961
Compared to games in general or compared to other mmorpg's?
WoW.
>>335350229
>>335353065
Im going to drop a real bombshell here on you nerds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNFWhCw8dg
>>335352916
Video games are on of the few consumer markets where the consumers essentially join cults around the creators, and take business-consumer relationships way too far and think it's a personal relationship. It's fucking weird.
MMO-Champion, Official Forums and r/WoW are gigantic cancerous tumours of BlizzDrones
>>335353003
>+10M sales
Are you high? Literally nobody I know is excited for WoD, barely anyone has an active sub still. There is no hype at all outside of the wow forum hugbox.
>>335353254
>Kungen
Whiniest bitch in the entire old WoW community.
>>335351396
This, back when Wow came out sandbox mmos were still popular and Wow was considered for casuals, there's no surprise that the game evolved to be like it is now, that was the direction from the start. Still vanilla with it's world pvp was the best balance between sandbox and themepark, only maybe DAOC did it better.
>>335352060
Even that has changed over the year. Pretty much once the GE got voted in everyone who refused change left, and now most things win the vote.
They just voted in a brand new level of clue scrolls and a complete rework of the system.
The only "big" update that didn't get in was the Sailing skill, because it sounded like hot fucking garbage
>>335353283
*Legion, of course. Same shit though
>>335353254
>You have to do dungeons, you have to herbalism, you have to do whatever it takes to get money. Boom, 3 weeks later you have an epic mount
>3 weeks
Fuck me, I wish I was this guy. It took me forever.
>>335350751
>MoP, one of the best expansions
>>335349708
>They've completely gutted Fire. Combustion is being turned into a generic 3 minute CD that increases your crit by 100% for 15 seconds
thats what it always was you fucking retard
>>335353203
Compared to others MMORPGs.
>>335353130
I'd recommend FFXIV too if you care about making friends in a MMO and/or just enjoy doing casual and hardcore PVE content. If you care about world pvp or a game with a lot of pvp depth then look away.
>>335353624
>thats what it always was you fucking retard
Uh, no. From 1.11 to 6.22 it's been a DoT snapshot.
Combustion
2 min cooldown
Instant cast
Combines your damaging periodic Fire effects on an enemy target but does not consume them, instantly dealing X to Y Fire damage and creating a new periodic effect that lasts 10 sec and deals damage per time equal to the sum of the combined effects
>>335346450
>paying real money
Sup newfag, you can buy subscriptions with in game currency now.
>>335353638
WoW. But most MMORPG's are pretty much the same. The only different ones I know of are korean MMO's like Tera or whoever made GW2.
>>335353003
There's no way it's gonna sell 10 milion after WoD, that expansion totally destroyed their credibility and they hardly acknowledge it because of them being forced to do damage control after losing most of their subscribers. But, IF legion is actually good, i could see a lot of people returning after the first months of launch, it's just that the probability that it's good are very low.
>>335353719
it was a crit cd for 7 years you goon
>>335352558
Because a game implementing a niche properly is what games are supposed to do.
Making the same game over again also isn't a niche.
>>335353362
Idk, I know hes a big name, but his video seems pretty good to me.
>>335353529
Vanillas economy was pretty fucked, but there are meticulous shuffles you could do to reap some serious g with enchanting and blacksmithing.
>>335353003
>+10M sales because people still has curiosity of the game
It was more of a "fool me once, fool me twice" sort of deal. A lot of people are hanging back.
>>335353075
It's probably the same game as WoW is or was..
The gameplay is the same. The economy is predictably worse.. Theme park games are tripe.
>>335353924
fuck you for bringing me back to college psych
>>335350285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
>>335353719
it was a dot snapshot starting in s9 you retard
how is a pve shitter going to tell me anything about the game when i was 6x glad s4-s8, 3 of them on mage?
>>335353368
Pretty sure SWG was better
>>335351991
I refuse to believe heathstone is a cashcow
I've never played a more unfun card game in my entire life
not even those shitty flash card games iwht microtransactions were that bad
>>335354238
>Blizz has yet to take Psych 101
..
>>335353719
>From 1.11 to 6.22 it's been a DoT snapshot.
>1.11.0
Combustion
Instant
When activated, this spell causes each of your Fire damage spell hits to increase your critical strike chance with Fire damage spells by 10%. This effect lasts until you have caused 3 critical strikes with Fire spells.
>1.12.1
Combustion
Instant
When activated, this spell causes each of your Fire damage spell hits to increase your critical strike chance with Fire damage spells by 10%. This effect lasts until you have caused 3 critical strikes with Fire spells.
>2.4.3
Combustion
Instant
When activated, this spell causes each of your Fire damage spell hits to increase your critical strike chance with Fire damage spells by 10%. This effect lasts until you have caused 3 critical strikes with Fire spells.
>3.3.5
>Combustion
Instant
When activated, this spell increases your critical strike damage bonus with Fire damage spells by 50%, and causes each of your Fire damage spell hits to increase your critical strike chance with Fire damage spells by 10%. This effect lasts until you have caused 3 non-periodic critical strikes with Fire spells.
>4.0.1
Combustion
Instant
Combines your damaging periodic Fire effects on an enemy target but does not consume them, instantly dealing 23 to 32 Fire damage and creating a new periodic effect that lasts 10sec and deals damage per time equal to the sum of the combined effects.
So no, it took until Cataclysm for it to stop being a crit buff.
Now Fire is finally going back to what it used to be, keep crying and go back a Warlock.
>>335354306
>I refuse to believe heathstone is a cashcow
Then listen to their quarterly investor calls.
>>335351476
They're not like talent trees at all, since you can eventually fully max out you artifact and get all of the perks in the same character, it's just another smoke screen by blizzard.
>>335354249
why is this so funny
>>335354249
Ive must have watched this video a hundred times and it doesnt grow old.
>>335354647
Because it's true.
>>335354743
>that cover
Fucing hell, took me by surprise. Had a laugh.
>>335352961
SWTOR for plot
>>335354138
>The gameplay is the same
But it's not.
>>335344398
>also poor in shitty part of Europe
>parents buy me gametime cards from the local gameshop
>true bliss when I punched in the code
>after playing from 2006, my parents can't afford to buy another gamecard (or didn't want to because wow fucked up my school performance)
>this was just before Ulduar hit
>mfw my parents forced me to quit when WoW became shit
Thanks mom and dad.
>>335343323
Wait a minute. Do people unironically pay 15$ a month for a game with p2w elements??
What the fuck? This is literally zinga tier.
>>335350637
There's constant evidence that people haven't changed, games did. Yet devs decide to shit all over this evidence and try to appeal to the "wider audience" because old-style games "don't sell". Then they make unplayable garbage and go bankrupt in a few months.
>>335354951
Can this be said about the other classes? Dragoons must move around the mob and do a slightly different rotation depending on where they stand, no?
>>335355089
You know what p2w means, right?
>>335355089
I don't think you understand what p2w is
>>335352405
Really is. If they just kept churning out dungeons with pre-existing art design in various locations and just copy pasting in various boss mechanics from old raids and dungeons people would probably be satisfied for a little while.
>>335355417
>>335355420
no u
>can buy gold with real life money
>gold can get you literally anything in this game
how is this not pay2win?
>>335355476
Where do you see gold in OP's pic?
>>335355517
oh he is talking about ops picture. sorry then
>>335355270
What are some games with potential that could be fixed with some patches?
>>335355369
Monk does that too.
>>335352961
Too bad its dead
>>335355369
Every Melee DPS class depends on position and has skills with some kind of bonus depending on it.
>>335355446
There should be something non-instanced.
..Yes, them tossing previous dungeon/raid bosses into zones with the damage and HP set to max level would be nice.
>People still play this piece of shit casualbait
>>335352683
You should see how fury warriors feel about it. There's been like six alpha builds since Blizzard last changed something and there's been almost unanimous complaints about what they changed.
>>335354951
DRG's rotation is just as braindead as the warrior 'rotation'
It's just a cycle of
>apply dots
>do damage
>apply dots
>do damage
>>335355369
Rotation doesn't change based on position, abilities get slight buffs if you're in the right spot. You used to actually get punished hard for messing that up but they nerfed that because hitting A or D every few seconds was too challenging
>>335355446
>just copy pasting in various boss mechanics from old raids
No need to worry, they're already doing that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK395viRGv0
>>335343323
I still don't know how to feel about this.
>>335354951
>this picture is not showing all the outGCD instant skills that you have to keep using between every GCD skill to keep the DPS up.
>>335356091
>that gif
you're joking, right?
>>335344991
>your reward for playing is to be able to not play
That's probably the best description able to be given to daily quests and faction rewards and garrisons and guild halls and most of what Blizzard implements... the content seems fine at first, but after a while, it's just a relief to not be doing it anymore.
>>335355772
To apply dots you have to do a 3 hits combo, don't forget to use the heavy thrust before the combo for the +15%/+30% damage and blood of the dragon so fang and claw or wheeling thrust activates after the full combo. And don't forget about geirshkoul.
See? To add "just a dot" the DRG has to use at least 6 skills, 3 of them wich require positioning to unleash the bonus, while a WoW warrior just uses 1 skill and keeps smashing the Heroic Strike (or however they use now that they killed it).
>>335355634
Fuck man, why did the combat have to be so fucking bad. Everything else was 10/10. If they just straight up copied WoW combat, it would have been the best game ever.
>>335355613
Currently alive-ish (and dying)? Wakfu and dofus, H&H, WoW, RS, MS, among others.
>>335356620
>"alive-ish"?
Just enough to be patched and launched.
>>335356795
Perpetuum.
They could use that engine and their mechs for basically any game.
>>335355708
>people still complain about a game they don't play
>>335356795
Mabinogi.
>>335356449
Yeah but guess what
those 6 abilities require no thinking. You never wonder "Oh man, what ability am I going to use after Vorpal thrust? Maybe it'll be doom spike, or disembowel... Oh wait no, it's full thrust."
If you made a macro where the button changed to the next button in the combo after you pressed it, the game would look a lot more like wow combat where you're hitting the same button over and over. That's the issue with games where you're expected to hit some ability right when you're able. You generally end up in one of two camps:
1. You hit a filler button until something procs
2. You do a loop of abilities
>>335357147
>shills are still employed to post on /v/
Why are the numbers so humongous now? I was watching some raid testing and he crit for 1,5 million and he had hp of 1,7 million. What's the point?
>>335356091
more like
123
456
789
123
456
789
wow so fuckign complicated
>>335357250
Literally the only reason for why the numbers get so high is to make players feel more powerful when they get better gear in a new expansion. Which is fucking retarded because if they didn't inflate the numbers the old gear would still be somewhat relevant at the beggining and the numbers would stay at a reasonable level. They dug their own grave.
>>335357250
But anon big numbers are t3h k00l don't you know? Fellow kids find them HIP! They're so fashionable!
>>335357532
I haven't been following for years now, didn't they want to reduce the numbers in WOD?
>>335357242
>contrarians feel compelled to share their point of view on everything
>FOR FREE
>>335357593
They did. Then they made every new set of items jump an entire expansions worth of stats to preserve the illusion of progression, doing the same raid again and again.
>>335357593
yes and they even did but blizzard cant make up their mind, they are fucking retards
>>335354971
>Ulduar
>when WoW became shit
You missed the apex of WoW.
>>335357274
now do that while meeting positionals and dodging A8S mechanics
>>335357814
OK shill
Am I the only one who notices that Blizzard was eaten away and since WotLK WoW runs on a skeleton crew?
People always expect so much from a reduced second rate team but that's all they will be able to do: reuse assets and cut any plans that are too ambitious for their incapable group.
>>335357814
so no one? thats not a6s
go back to >>>/reddit/ to pretend this game is hard while its fucking simple, the only drawbacks are animations locking you from doing oGCD
hell even DRK got a fucking action where you can fit 2-3 oGCD due to its pants on head retarded animation lock
FUN FACT: Hard modes with real mechanics are OPTIONAL CONTENT
>>335358098
lol you didnt even clear a6s yet how bad are you at fucking video games
>>335357792
>implying karazhan isn't superior
>>335357980
It became apparent after we ended up with a year of ICC.
>>335358240
>implying your opinions are better than mine
>>335354934
>revan plot
>good
>>335358312
I know but people still talk about Blizz like they're something big and its confusing.
Activision just wants to milk the game for the most cash possible as it dies, not to maintain subscriptions it increase them.
>>335358312
It was apparent even in fucking vanilla, one site I used to go to had a clock running showing the time since the last patch
>>335357980
I just don't know how they haven't always had at least triple the team working on this. It's their biggest cash cow ever HOW can they not throw a fuckton more production into it? I've never understood why. They should be adding content every 3 months MINIMUM. Like new dungeons and entire raid tier's worth. Shit for everyone else to do, too.
>>335358447
Or increase them*
Fucking touch screen.
>>335357980
but they said the team is the largest it's ever beenmeanwhile FFXI is on a smaller team than both FFXIV (which itself has way too small a team for how big it could have been) and WoW and gets more content than both
>>335357891
>"But it's just pressing 15 buttons"
>"Well, try to do it while positioning and dealing with a boss mechanics"
>"H-haha f-fucking shills"
My gosh.
>>335358593
FFXI is on lifesupport now though, you only get minor content and bug fixes now.
>>335348964
Now I was wondering, with the Order Hall, will the Garrisons get removed/replaced or do they stay there and be pointless with the new shit out?
>>335358387
Game plot changed after the Revan clusterfuck. Sice the "Knights of the fallen empire" the main plot feels totally like a KOTOR3.
>>335352961
>falling for the MMO meme
>>335358865
It got a new type of content a few weeks ago. I've heard it's not great but it's getting changed next month
>>335358892
They just sit there as old content as old content does.
>>335358892
Why the fuck would garrisons not be pointless? They're dated content.
Can you research that thing once a week? Why would you use it on anything besides the world boss one?
>>335359039
>>335358892
>hey remember the team you carefully put together and rerolled their skills until they got optimal?
>well forget them, level and gear up some random schmucks again LMAO
They couldnt even implement garrisons properly. I wanted some sims level dollhouse of autistically micromanaging every single peon and placing every chair doodad and then my addon did everything within 3clicks.
>>335353075
>Two
>point
>five
>seconds
Looking over the order hall talents, about half of the classes get the ability to insta-win one world quest.
DK, DH, Mage, Warlock, and Warrior
Honestly most of the order hall talents increase success rates of your missions. It really just looks like a huge time sink, with the resources hugely inflated and the current rate you acquire them, it will likely take 12-15 weeks to unlock everything, if you play every day.
I'm not sure how important the tier 6 is, allowing you to wear an additional legendary. Some of them seem pretty good depending on which class you play.
>>335359313
>out
>gcd
>instant
>skills
>>335359152
Because you can't. Blizz already stated you can't. Do some fucking research.
why is final fantasy 14 always brought up in wow threads
>>335359563
lalafell are disgusting
>>335358845
Enjoy your even shallower wow-clone, shill.
>Garrisons are back
>Those shitty fill the bar by killing 100 grunts in this small area missions are back
Why the fuck does anyone care about this its literally WoD 2
>>335359712
Payed squenix employees.
Can someone remind who got BTFO few weeks ago?
>>335359674
No. I first tried common sense. Why the fuck would I care about a weekly research to bypass one common quest? Why is that even in there? Is it for those players who literally cant login more than 10 minutes a day 3 days a week?
any word on apexis? its a deal breaker for me. it feels shallow and pointless doing any content if it doesnt even reward apexis.
>>335359712
Its the closest thing to WoW. Also having played it two years I can tell you that its not any better with content. I'm about to come back to Legion because of the constant drought. People harp on about the 3-4 month patches, but these patches typically give content to keep you busy only a fun days short of those that provide new savage raids if you are inclined.
>>335359712
Because there's always someone who ask for a better game and nowadays FFXIV is the answer for that question.
>>335359726
>shallower
>WoW clone
Well, care to tell why a game that doesn't play like wow is a wow clone?
>>335352952
Leave him be, if he's happy that way good for him. It's the players that make the MMO's by enjoying them.
>>335360071
that 5 month wait period yoshi did after the game came out fucked a lot of stuff up,if he is gonna take a vacation he should do it during the downtime between the last patch of the current expansion and the launch of the new one,dont do it at the start of the new expansion
>>335360274
Thought so.
>>335356560
They didn't really copy it it. If they did, it would be acceptable. They tied the character actions to the animations, making instant casts not so instant and creating massive faction inbalance with consulars having severely faster "instant" casts with CC.
>>335355369
Even if they stand in a single spot, they'd only lose about 5% of their total dps. Most dragoons (because most of the playerbase is shit) will probably lose more dps dancing around than they gain from it. People try to trump up what's basically a long rotation that's so static it can be macro'd, coupled with using off-global attacks they get to use every 1.5-3 minutes that contribute even less to overall dps than the positionals do. MMO gameplay is shit through and through.
>>335352952
Be a good son and introduce him to management games like Industry Giant or Transport Tycoon.
>>335343323
>it's a "people who haven't played the game in years complain about unimportant things" episode of /v/
>>335360478
Garrison (and its features) are part of the trifecta that killed WoW. They are hardly unimportant.
1. LFG/LFR
2. Garrison
3. Flying Mounts
Honorable Mention: Heirlooms
vanilla was trash tbc was trash wotlk was good cata had best pvp mop was awesome raiding wod was even more greater raiding
>>335360594
>raiding wod was even more greater raiding
yeah the whole week that it took to clear it and then wait almost a year for a content patch with no raid
>>335360551
>people are still autistic about flying mounts
They changed nothing, it was a completely irrelevant thing even when they added it.
>>335360478
>people quit because the game is literally about standing around in the garrison waiting for queues to pop
>blizzard's solution is to let you stand around until you can hit a button to skip that queue every once in a while
Brilliant. Now we can play even less of the game that already wasn't worth playing.
>$60 for the box
>$15 per month
>buy gold, instant level capped characters, and mounts/pets/cosmetics with real money
>in a game with 14-month long content droughts
>drones will actually defend this
>>335352845
>>335353003
This wont happen, people don't feel burned on in WOD like they did in previous expansions, they feel betrayed
8 million max, and that's being generous, I have diehard WoW friends some who have never unsubscribed telling me they're done with the game
>>335360682
They erased outdoor pvp.
>>335354429
>Now Fire is finally going back to what it used to be
>crit
>add a buff that gives you 100% crit
>the more you stack crit% the more useless this buff is
Now the smart idea would be to add like add 100% extra crit damage, or 50/50, but giving you 100% of a stackable stat on a cooldown is just retarded.
>>335360682
>They changed nothing
They changed quite a bit.
>>335360551
>Requires at least one max-level character to get.
>requires either thousands of gold or several McGuffin' points to obtain
>Prevents you from having to slog through the first 80 levels trying to find decent equipment
>Makes it so people on a secondary character don't need to take items in a dungeon, leaving them open for those without high-level characters.
Besides fast-tracking peoples' alts, how exactly did heirloom items fuck anything up?
>>335354249
Oh god this video I'm fucking dying
>>335360772
time to take off your nostalgia goggles :)))))))
>>335360807
>, I have diehard WoW friends some who have never unsubscribed telling me they're done with the game
I have diehard wow friends who never unsubbed that think Legion will be "The Next Burning crusade".
Doctor...what's the cure?
>>335361001
:^))))
I think I want content every year, but I don't.
>>335361087
A bullet in the brain
>>335343323
What is the alternative to Might of Dalaran?
I hate to push conspiracies, but a few weeks back they said they increased server capacity which explained why most realms are normal/low now. Think they just made it up to hide the population sinking lower after they started hiding numbers?
>>335361661
of course they did. why would they increase server capacity when the number of players is decreasing
>>335361770
so when legion comes out, the servers aren't queued to high hell and broken like WoD's launch.
>>335361770
To prepare for the 15m coming back for Legion soon ;^)
>>335361661
They even had to merge servers due to the massive population decrease.
>>335343323
That feel when WoW is now a Farmville game
>>335360814
>muh world peeveepeeeee
No one gave a shit about that. It was already long dead. Silithus event. EPL towers. Terokkar Spirit Towers, Halaa. No one was doing these, ever. Just because people had a way to escape camping it doesnt mean PvP was killed.
>>335360860
Like what.
If theres one thing i'll ever be proud of in my life its that i never once, not even fucking ONCE, did i EVER get suckered into playing this garbage ass fucking piece of shit game
And it feels fucking good
>>335355634
I started it like 2 months ago and I am having lots of fun. Arcadia doesn't seem dead, at least in middle level content.
>>335362719
Looks like you missed out on Isle of Quel'Danas pvp back in BC poor you.
>>335358240
As a mad vanilla fag Karazhan gave me a big-ass boner. So muchfuncompared to the others that came before.
LONG LIVE SACRED NOSTALRIUS
>LONG LIVE SACRED NOSTALRIUS
LONG LIVE SACRED NOSTALRIUS
>LONG LIVE SACRED NOSTALRIUS
LONG LIVE SACRED NOSTALRIUS
>LONG LIVE SACRED NOSTALRIUS
LONG LIVE SACRED NOSTALRIUS
>>335362760
>this garbage ass fucking piece of shit game
And how would you know that?
>>335356223
also known as bad game design
>>335362868
>ganking is PvP now
Lol no.
Southshore vs Tarren Mill was PvP.
>>335360329
reading comprehensionfriend
>>335363712
you know what else is bad game design?your life
>>335363916
And now this kind of pvp is dead.
>>335363916
>thinks a daily island of max level characters PvPing is ganking
>thinks a place where low levels sometimes PvP but inevitably max level characters swoop in and kill everyone is "pvping".
Lay off the nostalgia juice.
corecraft
when
>>335363916
Ganking is PvP. Ganking is almost always how things like SS vs TM begin.
>>335360871
Because it turned leveling, which was an important part of the game with it's own strategy into a side mission where you facerolled through it until you could endgame.
>>335350925
I played it (not him)
The first tier was good
The second tier was okay, but then they nerfed it into the ground. It was also way too linear.
They literally said they were going to make dungeons less linear, and then made a perfectly linear raid claiming it was for "story telling purposes"
Every time Lei Shin destroyed the bridge I would say "Oh wow guys I'm so immersed in the story" because that was literally the only thing they 'story told' in the raid.
Siege of Orgrimmar was total shit, don't kid yourself
>le MoP was so good meme
spotted the catababby
What class should I boost to 100 /v/?
I have a 90 rogue/DK on another realm that you cant see in the picture
>>335365271
Nobody gives a fuck faggot, just play the game.
>>335365271
>actually playing neo-WoW
>actually purchasing a boost/legion
>>335349908
>HeelvsBabyFace
kek this nigga is golden
he almost had an aneurysm when he saw garrisons v2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4HUCTJ16GA
>tfw preordered Legion despite having no hope for it, because I know I will end up buying it eventually
I hate my life.
>>335349457
>read one article on Skinner box and how it loosely applies to MMOs so now he's an expert
>>335350370
Retention matters in these games, though. Diablo 3's retention rate is fucking pitiful.
>>335349457
>i took psych 101
My XIV cat was ERP raped so now its a good time for me to get legion to lay low.
>>335365271
I would go with a Druid so you can play any role you like
>>335351275
Yeah and runescape private servers had 100 players online, then oldschool launched and the game is now more popular than the modern one with 40k+ people playing.
>>335360551
>Heirlooms
That's a really weird way to spell transmog
>>335365525
fucking hilarious
>>335364746
So are you admitting you hate flying mounts because they stopped you from ganking?
>>335349908
>Nixxiom
>Not an IRL shitposter
>people are defending a Play The Game For Me Button
Ive been here so long I cant tell if its ironic or stupidity.
>>335365525
>Expect shill supreme
>RRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE
>haha! Don't worry I'm not an asshole making you watch wod videos :v)
I've grown to love the fatty bastard
>>335366384
Flying mounts make ganking way easier
>>335366384
stop ignoring the rest of his posts. he hates flying mounts because they stopped him from starting huge wars in certain areas
>>335366384
That's literally the exact opposite of the problem. Flying mounts make ganking unpunishable.
>>335350647
>First cata weeks all is fine
>Nerf it all
>Drop
>Lolfirememes
>Drop
>LFR
>Drop
>>335354971
CZ/SK bros ?
>>335366636
BGs did that, not flying mounts. In the moment BGs were a thing Blackrock and Hillsbrad PvP died down.
>>335352370
You want to bet 3 BiS legendaries will be an absolute requirement to join any pugs?
Because that's how it's going to be, just as it is right now with the 2 months ring grind if you want to raid any difficulty.
>>335360478
played from late TBC, had the best time of my life through WoTLK playing with people from school and shit. Did cata but it was beginning to feel lacking, played a tiny bit of MoP before i had to go to the army for a year, returned just in time to play WoD after all the hype and i hit lvl 96 before i dropped the entire shit game into the fucking toilet. Close to nobody i know play it anymore, the game is just fucking dead.
I liked world of warcraft, i loved it even,
but after cataclysm the game was just regressing somewhere else and now i want none of it.the movie is probably gonna be ultrashit as well.
>>335351251
Looking at this makes me fucking sad, holy shit.
>>335366840
thats not true, i still remember a lot of shit happening at crossroads when bgs were a thing, as well as all the other places. also weren't you the one to talk about ganking on quel'danas?
>>335363552
Stay mad blizzcuck
>>335365271
mage
>>335354249
that fucking laugh
>>335366840
BG's helped, and then the PVP exclusive stats.
>>335366716
cata release dungeons weren't even hard. the hardest thing I can think of was Ozruk that required melee to walk away when he casted earthquake and for spellcasters to stop casting when he casts spell reflect
then they nerfed it and every fight became a mindless tank and slap, just how fucking stupid you had to be
>>335368174
But anon I have to use CC!!1
>>335368382
>Using CC in wow after WOTLK
This isnt wow related but standard Blizzhate
I bought Diablo 3 as a D2 fan boy would on release, only to be greated with a broken boring flat game that was crap compared to d2.
>B-b-b-but all the issues were fixed with ROS exp
Cunt I bought at the first game at release and they don't even offer me a discount to fix it, only blizz cucks bought ROSemen
>>335366840
BGs did not do that. Even in WoD before flying was re-added I stirred up plenty of huge wars. Camping the BMAH preventing PvE nerds from buying their ebin t3, camping Highmaul/BRF summoning stones with my guild on Tuesday nights, camping quest hubs until a huge group of 20-30 Horde showed up to defend it, killing nerds doing their apexis dailies.
Then guess what happened. Flying mounts were added and nobody had to deal with us. You know why? Because you can just mount up in 1.5 seconds, hit the spacebar to ascend and now you're entirely immortal.
People who say flying mounts didn't kill WPvP are fucking retarded.
>>335369920
at least we have the boot-a-rang now
>booting a nerd and watching him fall to his death
>>335369920
WPvP was already so dead in vanilla that Blizzard had to try to fix it with EPL towers and lolsand.
>>335370137
>WPvP was already so dead in vanilla
No it wasn't retard
>>335353130
major content consisting of two worthwhile dungoens max which is all you do for those three months minimum. all progression is gated behind daily/weekly timers. fuck wow but fuck ffxiv just as hard.
>>335370853
At that point it had been reduced to small confrontations and server organized events. Not sure if the latter was common on other servers, but mine had a few that ended up crashing the server.
There were a lot of complaints at that time about the lack of world PvP, hence the introduction of lolsand, like I said.
>>335370137
>lolsand
This brings me back
>>335350463
I haven't played WoW in over two years, but iirc when Jaina's town got nuked, it was stated somewhere that he was killed in all dimensions; ensuring he can never come back or something. The only way to bring him back is through time travel which I doubt will happen because sjwactivisionblizzard doesn't like Knaak's shit.
>>335368598
>he didn't play cata on release
Yeah it was fucking mandatory. Healer mana couldn't save your ass from stupid, because you oomed in 7 actual heal casts.
>>335371317
Well, still better than 1 raid per year.
>>335372154
True. I returned to WoW during Firelands patch after leaving when my raid beat ICC.
>>335372154
>that feel when played Holy Paladin at Cata launch
>>335371829
Did the story behind that ever come out? Why did they go full purge on his mary sues?
>>335371829
>That feel when Kinndy Sparkshine
>>335372382I'd like to say you missed out. The first couple of weeks of Cata were fantastic. There was something a little mystifying about it since not everything had been data mined to hell and back. But it went so shit so quick.
>>335359856
this pic recaps beautifully everything about this situation
just fuckk off fags, youre not the type of customers blizzard makes wow for
making mediocre expansions that dont take much time to come up with is a better investment in the long run
and when it stops being lucrative, they can just make some new game that has gameplay which is "cool" at the time, hype it as much as humanly possible, and start making profit out of it
blizz is a company, companies make money, you must be heavily brain damaged if you naively think they should focus on making a good game for their audience
>>335372660
until your subs drop below 1 million paying players. oh wait.
>>335372790
Look at all those people playing Nost right now
>>335372790
even 500 000 * priceOfExpansion
per every year or so is pretty good
for just telling few people to make slightly different models from the old ones, slap on some new zones and set the max. lv to +10
wait.. you have to pay for every new expansion to play it right ?
>>335372639
I enjoyed the Firelands path and Raid. After that I left wow for no returning ever again. I got tired of raiding being just "Following DBM orders" and the hardest mode just "Follow DBM orders...FASTER!".
>>335351070
I think the only way official legacy servers will happen is when WoW its record lows in profit, and then they'll build a vanilla server with bug fixes and modern wow fidelity.
>>335373254
WoW is already at record low profits. in their last sub announcedment, 6 months ago, WoW was below Vanilla sub numbers and trending down EXTREMELY steeply.
WoW has less subs now than it did in early 2005.
>>335351504
>why Vivindi Game's is trying to sell off blizzard in their prime stock value.
Blizzard bought themselves back from Vivendi a long time ago, anon.
>>335372390
>tfw bdk
I want to embrace brewmasters, they know my pain.
>>335373392
When I say record lows, I mean like rock bottom type shit, where it's not even worth to have everything else running. Vanilla servers is their trump card they're not ready to use yet.
>>335372790
The cost of the boxes pay for the expansions and the staff throughout the process alone you know that right? The sub and shop are pure profit. Theres no reason to discontinue or make WoW F2P.
>>335373540
>Death Strike is not moving back to costing Runes. Please advance the discussion to other topics.
>You think you want Death Strike to cost Runes, but you don't!
>>335372790
Man everytime someone mentions WoWs sub number each week, it seems to drop a million each time.
>tfw you didn't fall for the Nostalrius meme
>tfw you didn't fall for the WoD or Legion meme
>>335365920
>Brewer fan
Not surprised tbqhwyf (to be quite honest with you family)
What could Blizzard do to get you back in?
Hard Mode: Justified by lore.
Nightmare Mode: No removal of already existing features.
>>335373791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
Because Blizzard are no longer willing to tell people how many subs they have.
>>335373694
To be fair it makes zero sense to have a choice between 3 mitigation skills all on runes. I honestly dont see why people dont like it being on RP since you can still pool it just the same.
>>335373887
Make a WoW 2.
Seriously all of WoW's problems could be fixed with a sequel on a new game engine. Old school people will try it out, normies will lap it up, and Blizzard will rake in billions of dollars from the hype alone.
>>335373887
>back in
>>335373990
Wasn't titan supposed to be WoW 2?
>>335373887
>What could Blizzard do to get you back in?
Nothing, I no longer support western vidya
If I pre-purchase legion can I use the boost to 100 now or do have I to wait the 30th of august?
>>335373951
I mean if you look at this...
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1874264-A-collection-of-all-known-cut-delayed-content-in-Warlords-of-Draenor
Can you blame them for hiding the sub number?
>Fifteen thousand people used to play on Nost
>Now it's a ghost town
>>335373982
>I honestly dont see why people dont like it being on RP since you can still pool it just the same.
>Pull boss
>It hits you before your first bone shield is applied with Marrowrend
>Have no RP to heal
Having DS cost RP is garbage because it backloads all your healing.
>Make DS cost Runes
>Make Marrowrend cost RP
Problem solved.
>>335373887
Dungeons that scales depending on how many ppl there are in your party, so I can play with my 2 friends without taking in random people
>>335357147
It's almost like people stop playing games that they don't like.
>>335373694
>mfw the whole bdk in legion
There goes my will to re-sub.
>>335373982
Runes where 3 flavor candy for a reason.
With all runes being cool ice flavor, why should I use death strike when I can not die spamming bonebreaker strike?
With 3 flavor candy you HAD to use certain abilities insted of spamming the best ability.
This is the same, you have two choices:
Less RP and instead get armor (totally shits on the bdk flavour and class fantasy, the irony!) which is pretty shit anyways
More RP but you die because boss hits your ass that's about as durable as brewmaster's (bullshit, bdk should be the tank with the highest HP but lowest evasion overall, which is not, bear is the highest HP in the block). What >>335374273 said
>>335373887
>remove garrisons
>remove class homogenization and ability pruning, start pushing for class identity
>add back class quests
>add back skill trainers
>remove LFR
>remove LFD
>remove cross-realm
>remove welfare legendaries that you have to quest 2 months for
>remove catch-up mechanics so all raids stay relevant
>make dungeons difficult again
>remove flying FOREVER
oh wait I just realized I want vanilla with wotlk balance
>>335374064
Titan was supposed to be a new IP but was cancelled, some of the concept art and ideas were transferred onto Overwatch and Diablo 3.
>>335374273
But then people are just going to hit Marrowrend without a second thought because when would you ever not want another stack of bone shield? At least with DS you can pool it to use 2-3 DS if needed.
>>335373887
NO garrison shit.
BDK is rolled back to wotlk.
DKs have no speed rushes but instead a passive 20(frost and blood)-30(unholy) speed since they now ride their mounts into combat.
Class quests are added back.
LFR is removed.
"Epic" Expansion long quests for legos for all classes are removed. Forever.
Random socket/memeforged is also removed.
>>335374480
But this would kill the game and lower its pop to unmanageable levels.
>>335374662
no it would save it and bring about the golden age of WoW
>>335374478
BDK have so much more mitigation than Guardian it's ridiculous, Guardian is a lame duck AOE DPS tank spec really, and if they want to get back to having the best "class fantasy" they better either up guardian DPS to respectable levels(which would also make them relevant in pvp) or give them some interesting abilities
that won't happen though, if you're looking for a more interesting tank either way BDK and warrior are both there
>>335373887
Hard mode: reset levels as a whole when you get the expansion after Legion, defeat the burning legion, and the next expansion is based in Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms and is focused around cleaning up the continents
nightmare mode: add stupid utility and cool spells like grappling hook for everyone
>they don't play to add any BGs in Legion
>2 expansions in a row with no new Battlegrounds
>>335374662
>But this would kill the game
>kill the game
How do you kill something that is already dead?
>>335375016
they can't make WSG fun, and won't remove it or the other shitty BGs, why introduce more when you have some that are great but never get played
>>335374534
People are going to do that anyway being using Blood Strike nets you a whopping 1 extra Death Strike every 70 seconds compared to taking it off your bars and using Marrowrend exclusively.
Death Strike in Legion is garbage. I get bigger DS heals in HFC than you do at 110 with the artifact maxed. Blizzard had to give DS a minimum amount healed (7% max HP) because most of the time it was healing LESS than that.
Blood DK's in Legion are a fucking travesty.
>Blood Tap removed
>Icebound Fortitude removed
>Blood presence removed
>the Damage mitigation from BP instead shifted into 100% uptime Bone Shield
>As a result Bone Shield as a cooldown was removed
>DRW still sucks
>Gorefiends nerfed into the ground
>BoS removed
Meanwhile, Prot Paladins on alpha mitigate 80% of all incoming damage WITHOUT CD's.
>>335374534
>Don't dump RP
>Lose RP
>Lose functionality
See where I'm going?
marrowend should not be your bread adn butter. You're a SELF HEALING TANK not a mitigation tank. Plus it works like that horrible cata/mop ds where it's based off damage, so you're just shit mechanic wise. Why?
Easy
>Get hit HUGE in HUGE DAMAGE PHASE used my CDs not to die
>Now my DS heals shit and I'm low as fuck, so I die
>Get hit for huge, get hit again by any damage and die before I even get to heal back up
Plus the eternal DK problem gets even larger, healing a DK is the worst shit ever, since you want to top him before he gets otk'd in one gcd but, you also don't want to since he should be healing himself.
>>335374892
Bear as in health, not mitigation.
Bear should be huge armor, health and huge dodge.
DK is huge health, ok armor and self healing.
Paladin is avoidance via shield and DR.
Warrior is blocking everything.
Brewmaster is avoidance and "ignoring" damage via shuffling it away.
Also
>Legion BDK
>Interesting
Being gimped near to brewmaster level (poor guys) and generally working against yourself is bad, plus takes a huge shit on the class like every xpac before. I still wonder why blizzard has a boner with changing every class every xpac post cata. Why'd you do that? Some classes where fine, just give them more shit.
>>335375109
They're having to modify WSG (or probably just remove it) because Demon Hunters can run the flag in 14 seconds lol.
>>335375109
>>335375016
>They add ashran as a BG
>Max group is man
You got meme'd on minigamers!
>>335375212
I feel DH will make pvp more hellish than DK.
And DK is designated PvP destroyer class after rogue.
>>335375212
>Remove WSG
>I've been stuck in Revered with Silverwing Sentinels for years because no more Call to Arms
>>335375128
>Prot Paladins on alpha mitigate 80% of all incoming damage WITHOUT CD's.
Don't worry goy, it's still untunned :v)
I feel paladins are again going to be OP as fuck tanking wise, specially since >demon xpac
wiping the game would make the lore so much better
why are we still doing warsong fucking gulch? why do people go 1-60 hearing about deathwing's destruction, then go BACK to BC, to Wrath, then BACK to Cata? It's stupid as fuck and if they dont' put up legacy servers during legion they should split up the subs and make WoW 2.0 while also offering the vanilla servers.
>>335375128
Blood Tap being gone for frost and unholy hurts too. RE feels unrewarding and RC can make it annoying as fuck to dump RP when you get chain SD procs.
How to end WoW and transition into WoW 2:
>At the end of Legion the Legion actually wins and the devs prepare for a FFXIV style reset ahead of time
>We escape on Draenei and Goblin spaceships right before the Legion destroys Azeroth
>Amongst those on the ship are members of the Infinite Dragonflight that are mainly there just mechanically to allow you to travel back in time to do stuff in the game world zones prior to this event
>We take the ships to the Legion homeworld where the final expansion takes place and we engage in a Horde+Alliance campaign against them with other surviving factions that joined us on the ship comprising of nearly all races
>At the last desperate hour Louiso- I mean Thrall guides the Unified Azeroth Starship into the core of the planet creating a black hole that transports all surviving players into WoW 2
>>335375128
Explain the Paladin thing for me. I wanna know what the meta tank for CMs will be. I hear its Druid now.
>>335375586
>DKs just fly around in the necropolis (canon they can do that)
>Scourge as a faction
>>335343323
>Paying to not play the game
It seems Blizzard did not catch up on the Garrison drama.
Now the game literally completes itself for you
>>335375586
>Goblin spaceships
Not even once.
How the fuck would blackpowder fueled spaceships even work.
>>335375752
>X feature in Y fantasy world doesn't make perfect logical sense!
>>335375576
Runic Empowerment isn't so bad for Alpha Frost since every rune is a Death rune now. I hate RC with a passion though, I use BT even when playing Unholy currently.
>>335375715
Shield of the Righteous gives them a flat damage reduction buff based on Mastery with nearly 100% uptime. Combine that with other effects (Armour etc) and their damage mitigation is running in the region of 80% in blues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdzBx6WJGE
comedy gold
>>335375875
Meant more along the lines of who in their right mind lorewise would go into one, they can barely maintain the zeppelins.
>>335375908
Im sure its not that effective. Ive seen plenty of Paladin videos in alpha and they still get trucked.
>>335375715
Probably druid or paladin for Mythic+ aka CMs. Paladin will have an easier time with enrage affixes.
>>335376007
That's because you can't run dungeons with 110's currently. They're all 106 without their maxed artifacts.
>>335376007
Righteous shield has a huge uptime, again they got nerfed but that was because they could spam lay on hands. (not him)
>>335375981
this retailcuck damage control is p cute
>>335375908
My biggest gripe right now is the empty GCDs for frost on alpha. Even with Horn it feels so slow, constantly sitting on 2 runes for KM or 1 for Scythe.
>>335374627
>Class quests are added back.
Class quests were the best part of the game. All those stuff to do to get your new demon, totem, special mount....Benediction/Anathema
>>335376134
>he believes mark kerns opinion is what saved wow from being scrapped
>>335376241
desu I'd add skill training like this:
>Level up and get the skill, then a class quest related to skill
>Do it for some rep and to know what the fuck it does
It'd be >fun and help the casuals. And yes, even for fun skills having small puzzles, like using control undead to play chess or similar shit, like spying on people with mind control.
>>335376179
That gets better at 110, you basically have no downtime once you've got all your traits. It's a really fun spec then, definitely a lot better than current Frost.
My biggest gripe is Frostscythe interacting with Killing Machine. it makes you want to hold it for KM to proc which opens you up to RNG fucking with your DPS significantly.
I'd rather they removed KM entirely honestly but Blizzard is hell bent on us keeping it despite the fact that everyone has hated it since 3.1.
>people unironically pay subscription fees for a game with zinga time-sink elements and a cash-shop for items unobtainable in-game.
How do you mongoloids not forget to breathe?
>>335355772
>You used to actually get punished hard for messing that up but they nerfed that because hitting A or D every few seconds was too challenging
That change was actually needed because correctly doing mechanics on certain fights like T13 could significantly screw over DRGs when they would have to stay in a certain position, and being completely unable to do their rotation was a significant reduction to their DPS.
>>335376334
His opinion is what saved Firefall from not being total horseshit. His company voted him out and Firefall INSTANTLY tanked into obscurity.
He knows what he's doing with video games, it's not ridiculous for him to say he "saved" WoW. He was a huge part of the development team after all so it's pretty reasonable.
>>335375357
too bad rogue is shit in WoD
>>335376421
>people think serious modern players pay to play at all
>>335376902
wrongo
>>335376513
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1tuf3c/this_is_why_mark_kern_was_removed_as_ceo_by_red_5
>>335376902
Sub is the third best DPS spec and Combat is one of the best AoE specs. Assassination is a complete shitshow though.
