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What constitutes "good gunplay"
sound design? No mouse acceleration? Smooth and uninterrupted shooting? What do you think?
>>335297918
>he's not misfiring his AK for once
amazing
>>335297918
>that webm
>>335297918
The fuck kind of reload is that?
>>335297918
Why use a clip only to unload another clip?
Why throw away the first clip after one shot?
Why load it with your foot?
There's so much to learn.
>>335297918
>Battlefield 4 Reloads.webm
>sound design
>No mouse acceleration
>recoil that stops from mindless spraying
>a learning curve
>>335298109
the magpul kind
>jams
>proper ejection patterns
>5.56 rifles doing the same damage as other 5.56 rifles
>no magazine auto reallocation
>>335298109
he is being silly
>>335297980
It's funny because he recently had a controversial video of him accidentally discharging his ak.
>>335297918
really depends on the game as far as I'm concerned.
In most cases, however, I'd say that "good gunplay" equals "enjoyable weapon mechanisms", as in handling of the weapons is so smooth and satisfying that you don't have much to complain.
If the weapons feel strong, as in actually inflict proper damage and drop enemies effectively, that's a good start. If the sound design and animations are well done as well, it just enhances the experience, bringing in some much needed weight. Couple these elements with pixel-accurate, non-floaty controls, and you got yourself a perfect deal.
>>335298109
he's just fucking around on purpose.
>>335298189
>clip
get lost.
What a waste of a clip
>>335298189
Maybe both mags were empty. This is a gross motor skills reload, for when your motor skills are gross.
The original Doom.
What game lets me do this?
>>335297918
Consistent and reliable aiming (read: not CS)
>>335298348
Fuck gun nuts like that man. When you accidentally kill someone, I hope you feel like garbage.
But fuckheads like this are always the type who'll just laugh and never be sorry.
>>335298537
The new hitman? Red dead?
>>335298537
i dunno, maybe the handful of games with a "mark and execute" type mechanic.
Impact, and visceral feeling shooting.
Dinking people in Counterstrike.
Everything about FEAR's gunplay.
Really raw feeling aiming. I don't get why devs keep fucking this part up when Quake did it just fine a million fucking years ago.
>>335298537
Need this tactic if you want to beat Gaz's record in F.N.G. in CoD4.
>>335298608
The fuck are you on about?
>>335298608
>Fuck gun nuts like that man.
To be fair, the gun was pointed downrange. I don't think any less of him for doing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs83TE7HJrY
>>335298608
Chill out there, bud.
>>335298780
>Really raw feeling aiming.
This. Why can't devs not fuck up on aiming?
>>335298817
Man ...Germans make some sexy fucking guns
>>335298608
>But fuckheads like this are always the type who'll just laugh and never be sorry.
where the hell did you get that idea?
>>335298348
>that's_the_joke
>>335298608
what the fuck?
>>335298608
Dude is a fucking instructor and his finger slipped when explaining bad technique.
He was explaining trigger discipline on an AK and had it pointed in a safe direction and essentially did what he was explaining not to do.
Not that big of a deal
see
>>335298823
fuck off libshit.
>>335298334
>5.56 rifles doing the same damage as other 5.56 rifles
bullet velocity is a thing
>>335298608
lmfao
where did the gun touch you, kid?
>>335298981
I blame consoles.
>>335297918
Ah yes, the "I get paid hang out at a private range and film it" reload.
>>335299179
that a .357? so much fun to shoot
>>335297918
Good firing animation and good gore and impact physics of the target. FEAR, RDR and MP3 have good gunplay.
ARMA 3 has realistic ballistics but terrible gunplay.
What game lets me defend myself charles bronson style in a subway train?
Why aren't subways/trains utilized more often in shooters?
Max Payne 3 for all its problems had a really satisfying gunplay if you were playing on PC.
>>335299195
Yes but two 16 inch rifles using the same ammunition are not going to have noticeably different velocities.
>scar 16 and m4 have noticeable difference in damage
>>335297918
Proper recoil that doesn't shake the whole screen but rather the arms of the playercharacter (Metro 2033 did that right, Redux and LL then fucked it all up).
Good animations (weapon parts moving, casings being ejected and being affected by gravity + obstacles)
This should also include small details like dropped mags which stay on the floor.
Good sound design.
Impact on the enemies (hit animations/ragdolls, bulletholes in body, blood on environment)
Ragdolls for already dead enemeis, grenades or point blank shotgun shots should tear off bodyparts.
hey can we make fun of that polygon guy again
>>335299330
>.357
500 magnum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1d7i3i0LLI
>>335298995
I want to get my hands on a Czech ZK-383
>that butter smooth recoil impulse
>>335298608
You need to take it down a few notches.
>>335299348
Source on that please?
>>335299380
>satisfying gunplay if you were playing on PC.
Console version has the same gunplay mate
>>335299525
>>335298995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlFdhAK5c7Q
Forgot video
time for webms
>>335298109
>This guy doesn't know about gross motor skills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Jd3ltvb8k
>>335298780
>Really raw feeling aiming
What does this even mean?
>>335299347
Is the gunplay in arma really clunky? I never got around to trying it.
This webm really made me want to buy it since I'm a sucker for this kind of thing
>>335299605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4GMrG0cekw
Good gunplay has guns that feel like it rips people to pieces and just mows them down.
Sound also has to sound powerful and menacing.
Despite its flaws, Hitman Absolution has some of the greatest gunplay I have tried out.
>>335297918
>sound design
>weapon animations
>how enemies react to being shot (animation)
that's it
>>335299740
Thanks senpai.
>>335299646
Your crosshair moves moves exactly as you move your mouse. No smoothing. No accelleration or reverse accelleration. As little latency as possible. No angle snapping. Just pure tracking.
Many games fuck this up and feel sloppy and overly smoothed. Higher refresh rate and frames per second help your movement feel more "raw" as well as you are sampling and displaying movement at a higher frequency.
>>335299348
AYO HOL UP
>>335299657
I suppose it can do, yeah. The thing is in Arma, the movement in general feels really weighty and solid for realism, so the gunplay can end up feeling stiff as a result. Also you'll need a good machine, game is unoptimised as fuck.
>>335299851
>No smoothing. No accelleration or reverse accelleration. As little latency as possible. No angle snapping.
Is there any actual reason they do this? I'm having difficulty wondering why any of this would improve gameplay.
Do guns shoot bullets at supersonic speed?
>>335299959
Shitty programmers.
Console focused development that doesn't give the proper care for its pc port.
>>335297918
the enemy should react to being hit with bullets. sounds is a big part, i love hearing bullet impacts and good gun sounds in general. weapon variety and how accurate they are also play into all this
>>335299971
most of them yes
some ammo are subsonnic for silenced weapons use but silenced aren't really slient they're just not deafening
>>335298823
Why does he put the earmuffs on after the shot's already happened? If guns are so loud how come soldiers can do it without earmuffs?
I have never played a game with worse gunplay than CSGO.
It's like they're trying to emulate the awful gunplay of goldsrc, except got it wrong and made it 10x worse.
>>335299971
Yes, cartridges that do not break the sound barrier are also available and some calibers average ammunition do not in the first place unless you opt for hotter ammunition.
Subsonic ammunition is popular with people using suppressors because there is no supersonic crack
>>335300169
>earmuffs
that's because it's not cold outside anymore
>>335299971
A 9mm bullet goes around 1,100fps
Things like 5.56x45 do go supersonic.
Often when you're watching videos of people on the recieving end of fire, you can hear the sound of bullets cracking whichsounds scary desu
>>335300169
>If guns are so loud how come soldiers can do it without earmuffs?
Soldiers do use hearing protection and many of them suffer from tinnitus or go deaf from not wearing them constantly while shooting or using explosives.
How long will it take to create armor that can withstand bullets . What's the problem right now? Why can't we make a master Chief yet.
and why don't helmets cover the neck and the face? they leave so much exposed
>>335300178
It was pretty neat back in the day to have a game that was trying to be a little realistic
>>335300125
>but silenced aren't really slient they're just not deafening
Hush ammo + a decent can gets pretty close to hollywood quiet.
a bolt action .22lr subsonic with a good can is pretty much silent aside from the action
>this entire thread
Oh look, its the reason why thousands of children die each yeah.
I hope you gunfags get shot, you are all a danger to society and progress.
>>335300432
Because physics, chemistry, money, technology, and testing.
>>335300487
>thousands of children
>>335300487
>implying teenage blacks are children
>>335300487
If you faggots would grab a gun and help it could be tens of thousands, asshole.
>>335300590
>Unspecified: 7%
>>335300432
>How long will it take to create armor that can withstand bullets
The problem is that once you create something to stop a specific bullet somebody makes bullets to go through your armor.
What we have now is pretty decent and could probably be expanded upon but it's heavy and expensive.
But even the stuff we have now will get ripped through with some steel core 30-06 or incendiary ammunition
>>335300432
>How long will it take to create armor that can withstand bullets
As long as armor technology increases, bullet technology will too increase.
>and why don't helmets cover the neck and the face?
Comfort and field of view is much better. Don't be pic
>>335299657
What ruins it for me is how terrible it looks when you shoot someone. I guess it's not much of an issue from long distances though.
>>335297918
i think pretty much everything is important. i prefer raw mouse aim without acceleration or smoothing. sound design is a big thing, the sounds of impact on different surfaces and hitting enemies need to be satisfying. i also find a lot of the time in games i'll prefer different weapons over others just because how they sound. hell, i even think the shape of a crosshair is important, and if it animates when you shoot and that sort of thing. i don't have a big preference on that but i've noticed that it can actually change the feeling of shooting a surprising amount.
this is mostly aesthetic stuff though, mechanically i find it hard to think of what kind of gunplay is good...
>>335298608
found the britcuck
>>335300487
>he has a drivers license
oh look, its the reason why thousands of children die each year.
I hope you carfags get shot, you are all a danger to society and progress.
>>335300590
When are we going to ban assault vehicles? If you're not planning on crashing into people/things why does your vehicle need a bumper?
>>335298817
That guy sure blew a lot of money for like two seconds of satisfaction.
Then again, that's basically what dating is.
>>335300590
> 2007
Max Payne 3.
Entry and exit wounds, albeit silly at times.
Enemies reacted to limb shots accordingly
Shooting someone's hands could make them drop their weapon
Enemies scaled nicely with the levels. You start off killing unarmored foes with weak 1 handed weapons and near the end only fight armored foes with 2 handed weapons and helmets, demanding absolute precision and headshots on harder difficulties
Mother ducking bullet time.
It's fantastic and I wish they put forth even half of its efforts in GTA5.
>>335300847
Doesn't long range engagements in arma just devolve into pixel hunting and abusing the fact that foliage doesn't render out into distances?
I would put a hold on my shooting/gun expenses and build a pc if I could find a game that does long range engagements right. Doesn't squad do this to a certain degree?
>>335298608
Haley was marine force recon and a contractor, he's killed dozens of people on purpose
But when he accidentally shot a gun downrange, now he's a gun nut taking things too far
>>335300442
>Not thinking of Rainbow Six
>>335301015
>unsubstantiated assumption that there has been a sharp increase in the number of firearm related accidental deaths over the past 9 years
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf
They don't do these things every year and that picture was a tad old.
>>335300487
>Anime picture
>Unpopular opinion that differs from the thread
>"I hope you get shot"
Nice bait.
>>335301014
If you're talking about all the bottles, it's more probable that he acquired some empty bottles and filled them with colored water than it is him going to the store an buying a bunch of juice at retail.
So can we agree that sound design is most important part?
Also
http://nextframe.jp/flash/matsnp/matsnp.html
>>335301124
>It's fantastic and I wish they put forth even half of its efforts in GTA5.
And to think Michael's special ability would be like max payne 3's. I was pretty dissapointed at how his ability handledI really liked the gunplay in gta4 and how downed enemies didn't neccesarily die on the spot.
>>335301448
Game developers should hire surgeons and morticians as consultants on damage physics and use things like liveleak for reactions to getting shot.
>>335301014
>>335301347
Even if he did buy all that juice, he for sure made it back + more from those youtube bux
I have so many gun webms I want to post but they all have sound and are over 3 MB
When the fuck are we going to make all of 4chan to the same standard as /wsg/
>>335301425
this is p dope
>>335301307
If you don't think there are more firearm related deaths in this country than in 2007, you are straight up fudging janky man.
>>335297918
>Knock the magazine out with a full magazine... Then discard it.
>Reload with rig
>Grab onto HOT BARREL POINTING AT YOUR HEAD
>Kick charge handle
this has to be satire
What game can I play to get the closest gunplay to John Wick?
That movie was fucking great
>>335301832
Give some stats, humanities major.
>>335299348
imagine if this movie was released in the current year
>>335300178
Well CSGO isn't really a shooting game. It's more like a point-your-cursor-and-left-click-game.
>>335301885
It is, you autist.
>>335301679
I ..thought this was a SFW board?!
>>335300487
>he thinks guns are bad
what a faggot
>>335301832
Substantiate those allegations
I for one can pull numbers showing a constant downward trend over the past two decades off the CDC FBI and DOJ records.
Do you have some lefty facebook posts to counter me with?
>>335299439
sounds like you really just want to go on a shooting rampage anon.
>>335299179
>>335301679
Why isn't there a game like this? A gran turismo but for guns. No enemies to kill, just shooting realistic renders of a bunch of different guns
shit like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q0SiFd_cPo&index
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pHOeDtmrm4
>tfw liberal
>tfw hasguns
>tfw love guns
I hate other liberals who whinge constantly about how guns are the worst thing ever
>>335301679
damn that is pure sex
>>335300590
>Accidental pedestrian death
>>335301925
You're the butthurt white trash redneck. You don't need stats, watch the news. Guns are dangerous and are constantly shooting kids. Look at sandy hook, I sincerely hope you never breed.
>>335302196
Those aren't real libers you know that right?
>>335302164
Receiver was kind of like that but it had robot shooting ranges
I think one is called world of guns that you can tear guns apart.
>>335300487
Fuck children.
>>335302276
>receiver
Receiver was fun as fuck, I want more of it
I want a sequel with more content
Really I just want a game with really tight and deep gun mechanics
>>335297918
>sound design? No mouse acceleration? Smooth and uninterrupted shooting?
All of those plus animations, ballistic phyisic, things you can do with gun besides click to shoot, how enemies react to getting hit.
Combination of everything matters.
>>335300823
>As long as armor technology increases, bullet technology will too increase.
Uhh, that's not really how it works. We've been using the same basic bullet tech for nearly 500 years.
I mean high grades munitions and explosives and all that shit evolves, but hand held weapons are pretty tapped out as it is senpai.
>>335302263
>the news
>look as this instance of a thing that almost never happens
More people were killed in paris in one night than a decade of mass shootings in the US
More people were struck by lighting in a 10 year span than have died in mass shootings since 1980
>>335302164
>Why isn't there a game like this? A gran turismo but for guns.
I wonder that all the time. Except the no enemies part. There should be a game that does both realistically.
Like realistic cars with realistic handling can be driven on realistic tracks/roads, there should be a game with realistic guns + realistic damage/gore.
>>335302421
>We've been using the same basic bullet tech for nearly 500 years.
So spitzer bullets, AP ammo, recent advances in 9mm bullets that can penetrate IIIA body armor are 500 years old? Uhh, okay anon!
>>335301832
He said sharp increase
"firearm related deaths" includes more than just accidents, and is a totally different statistic that's mainly affected by gang&drug violence or how many people felt like committing suicide that year.
>Not really a gunfag but have considered collecting
>all the guns you would collect are rare shit that other faggots already snapped up and would cost you a good chunk of your yearly sallery
>>335298608
bernie sanders voters everyone
underage and not eligble to even smoke weed
>>335302446
OUTLAW LIGHTNING STORMS
>>335302532
I think enemies can be supplemented with reactive targets like steel plates, bricks, windows, bottles of water and the game acts as a physics demo. Maybe add competitive timed shooting segments.If I were a developer, I'd do this then base the tech for shooting games with violence off of that sim
>>335297918
Personally, I like when FPS games have a deadzone, like Insurgency.
Also realistic ballistics.
I want an M1A but I don't want to pay a fortune for it
Same goes for an M1911
>>335302136
EVEN ONE IS TOO MUCH! BAN ALL GUNS!
>>335302856
>but I don't want to pay a fortune for it
>buy garand for ~$600
>buy entry level 1911 for $450
>>335302714
You've erected me anon...I hope you know what this means
>>335302136
>Most of those are suicide and accidents
>accidents is fucking tiny and murder is 1/3rd of the pie
>Image looks like it was made for an eye rape contest in MS paint
fuck man
>>335297918
only one thing is important for "good gunplay" in a game
good animations
thats it
you people underestimate the importance of good animations. good animation is the difference between Red Orchestra and Fallout gunplay
>>335302164
>>335302532
The real answer is that there is no money in it.
most gun guys are not video game guys and I would assume the videogame industry is not full of gun guys.
It would be a niche that is scratchable with real guns so I don't see gun guys flocking to buy it.
>>335302446
You are so fudging retarded, it's scary that people like you should be allowed to own a GUN. The thing that militarys use to conduct MASS MURDER.
>>335302714
What is that, a tank in the sky?
>>335302596
The basic principles are, only very minor refinements have been made over the years. It's still a simple bullet, spun by rifling, propelled by a powder charge of the same magnitude of power that's been powering guns for ages. Yes there have been some changes to shape, coating, and cartageing ect, but there is simply not much room to innovate with the form factor of hand held weapons.
Compare that to the huge advances in large scale munitions where there is constant innovation because there is actually room to innovate and expand, not just physical room but room moneywise too.
>>335303024
>tfw we don't into naval artillery anymore.
>>335303083
>people will respond to this without realizing that it's terrible bait
>>335301916
Max Payne 3, Splinter Cell Conviction/Blacklist, maybe even Payday 2 (just because Wick is in the game)
>>335302263
Don't parody retards, they are people too
>>335303074
>I would assume the videogame industry is not full of gun guys.
Why would you assume that? Shooting games are the best selling games.
Please don't respond to the bait anons. Make him work for his (you)s
>>335303074
>the closest thing to what I'm describing in a mod made for unreal tournament 99 back in the early 2000's
>this game is 16 years old and still has yet to be matched by any realistic shooters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o52V6JsjrJc
>>335301916
Most likely Max Payne or FEAR
I want an fps game that lets me do a grab/takedown like this and still lets me shoot
https://youtu.be/b3THL_7Z29Y?t=87
>>335299959
>Is there any actual reason they do this?
console controllers
>>335303331
God that movie was great
I need to watch it again
Sound, animations and the feeling of impact are a big deal.
Insurgency has the best gunplay 2bh.
Rifle rounds actually properly killing a target if hitting unarmored chest, any round killing with a headshot, proper ballistics (at least realistic travel and drop), proper recoil to make burst firing and single shot advantageous, proper sight picture with iron sights (aka not having a peep so small you can't see shit), proper ammunition management (magazines are actually a thing not just a magic ammo number you have that refills and comes out of your mags at will), proper modeling and usage of the firearms.
Just some examples.
>>335303391
Insurgency has some good gunplay, mah nigga
Red Orchestra/Rising Storm does it pretty well too
Should also add proper locational damage would be really need, with a good wound system. That's something that as far as I know we haven't really seen in video games.
>>335300487
underage anime should be banned from posting
>>335303083
I know you are trolling but I would like to address that picture,
First of all the need for a well regulated militia has nothing to do with the clearly outlined individual right to bear arms free from infringement.
secondly, "well-regulated" meant in good working order in that era.
so even if they were referring to the right to bear arms as part of the militia it would only be a militia in good working order not one regulated to death by the state.
if you read the federalist papers and realize one of the powderkeg incidents that started the war was british attempts at gun control you would easily surmise there was no intention at state control over gun ownership implied in the second amendment, you know aside from the glaringly obvious english that leftists so proudly shittily interpret at their fancy and then accuse those that can actually speak english of doing.
One more time
>","
^
>the right of "the people" to keep and bear arms
Not, "the right of the well regulated people only in the militia!"
these people were educated statesmen, they knew what they were fucking writing and these blatant attempts at re-interpreting the constitution to suit far left authoritarian views disgusts me to no end.
Escape from Tarkov will hopefully set the bar for gunplay. The little we've seen have been promising.
>>335299348
Why did she kill the dude in yellow, he was just standing back.
>>335303112
And? The basic methods of combat haven't changed either. Remove pieces of your opponent's body until they can no longer do the same to you.
>>335303452
>proper ballistics (at least realistic travel and drop),
Proper ballistics is fucking mad gay though, 99% of games never take place at ranges where you even can notice anything. Exaggerated is the way to go
>>335303641
Witness
>>335303681
That's false equivalence and you know it.
>>335303272
I have no substantial evidence to prove it but I would assume there are a lot of studios hiring phil fish type lefty antiGGs all over the place
Hollywood makes shitloads of action movies and half the action stars are antigunners
>>335303391
>mfw nwi is unironically excited to get insurgency to consoles and into competetive gaming
I stopped playing insurgency right around when they brought in the 1911's
>>335303696
I disagree.
>>335303763
Nah, accomplice
She was justified in killing that guy, and she assumed that his friend would have reacted badly to it and endangered her
>>335301916
As much as I hate using it since it makes the game easier, the mark & execute mode in Splinter Cell Blacklist makes you feel like John Wick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSUihB4tkTM
>>335301305
Nobody likes true tactical shooters anymore.
>game has semi automatic weapons and handguns
>firerate on them is capped to an awkward, slow chugging pace
>>335304243
>can't bumpfire
>>335304243
>>335304273
Heres an idea, the controller has a motion sensor and if you jerk the trigger you can pull shots like in real life.
>>335303872
So you can get away with killing an unarmed guy just for being with the person who assaulted you?
>>335303625
You gunfags LITERALLY cannot deny this though; http://listverse .com/2013/04/21/10-arguments-for-gun-control/
>>335304408
>mfw constant shooting to the left when shooting handguns everything
I just want to git gud :(
>>335304468
Get someone else to hide snap caps in your mag so you don't know when they're coming. You'll see yourself flinch when you pull the trigger but the shot won't go off which usually hides it. That's what I did when I developed a flinch after using .45 in centerfire compeitions.
>>335303083
A well regulated breakfast, being necessary to the healthy start of the day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.
>>335304434
Not all the time, but honestly, in a trial, the jury would side with her
She's a white woman and they were two thuggish black guys
>>335303864
Yeah well I disagree back. What are you going to do about it nerd?
>>335304458
I'm not in the mood to reread your left leaning drivel.
I am done arguing and want to talk about guns and video games now, here is an infograph in response and it probably BTFOs whatever you linked.
have a good night.
>>335304468
apparently your finger is not properly on the trigger.
How do you place your finger on the trigger?
>>335303153
This entire thread has been blatant bait.
Honestly, though, I think the fish are only latching onto the bait for fun or practice.
>>335297918
>its one of "those" threads again
Alright
Not a gunfag, but are there any games that are as realistic as possible with guns? So reloading takes ages, the gun feels heavy when you aim it and there's literally zero aim assist with physically accurate bullet drop?
>>335299179
I recognize Hic-cock 45 here.
>>335304824
Why don't you just go and shoot a gun at this point, fag? Vidya isn't going to be able to account for any of what you have just posted.
>>335304243
>Game has a smg
>Fires decently fast for a video game gun, not great real world wise but good
>Has an alt fire mode that sprays bullets like a hose and almost decent for a real world gun
Feels good man.
>>335304824
>>335303331
There's an alarming amount of attention to detail its ridiculous. Probably the first game I've ever seen proper animations for a DA/SA handgun
>>335304824
Obviously most milsim games are like that, but I personally like Insurgency. The maps are small enough that hitscan/lack of bullet drop isn't a game-breaker, and the guns handle very nicely. It's a very satisfying game.
There's always the good old standby, Receiver.
>>335297918
>guns the are fun to use (feel/are strong)
>guns that sound good
>guns that look good
>guns that work properly (not bugged/useless)
>>335304735
Of course you gun-toting nutjobs refuse to read anything even remotely resembling reason. It's a good thing Hillary will take your dangerous toys away.
>>335304968
Can't dude. In the UK :*)
>>335305047
Cunt can try desu.
>>335305102
>Can't dude. In the UK :*)
You can own guns in the uk. It's just prohibitely expensive for the average peon and rifles are converted to cucksemi which is basically needing to charge them shot after shot
freedom ak104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA5JrEn5EcU
semi 105
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSwWHmqqHoc
cucksemi 104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJlJNngvkAI
>>335302136
This graph is hilarious, is it pretending that 30 people per fucking day is small? Yes it is only 0.0000085% of your population but so fucking what? "Everything should be as safe"? Guns are literally designed to kill things, they have no other purpose
>>335305303
That's a nice CZ but what the hell is that other fucking abortion?
>>335305303
Wow what an ugly SMG
>>335304458
>Went in hoping for something at least reasonable
>The author goes full retard not even half way in
If any gun control and legal reform is needed it's not "muh baby killing assault weapons" it's for handguns which constitute the vast vast majority of all gun violence. Why these idiots choose to focus on weapons which are of the least concern in terms of numbers of people killed, and violent acts committed with them is simply astonishing.
>>335298109
it's for when your hands are shaaakin' and can't work your fingers properly
when your ptsd is flaring up and you're having a stroke, you gotta reload somehow
>>335297918
Realistic handling.
>>335301916
>tfw Keanu is super into guns and John Wick now
>>335305530
Because gun manufactures make money on civilian weapons and pay people in office to tackle an issue that isn't really an issue so that they both win?
>tfw just wanna shoot cool guns at paper
>everyone else tries to make you feel bad for enjoying a hobby
at least I get out of the house
>>335298189
>CLIP
consider suicide
>>335305720
No fucking way, that's pretty awesome. What a bro.
>>335297918
The same thing that makes all games great: Interactivity.
For all intents and purposes, in FPS games the gun is your way (often your only way) of influencing the world around you. So the abilities and limitations surrounding this make the gunplay meaningful. Just clicking and sending an instant deathray to the enemy is boring as fuck, but that's what the most basic FPS gun is.
After that, it all depends on the context of the game. Good gunplay in a realistic military shooter means comprehensive accuracy simulation, recoil that conforms to real life guns, proper sound, high lethality, etc. But in an arena shooter, you want a range of guns that do wildly different things and emphasise twitch shooting skills. Throw reloading and ironsights in there, and people will hate it.
>>335305720
>Keanu actually is an operator
you know, i actually really like him now
>>335303595
I think Arma kind of has that. But not in the detail it could have been. For example a heart shot, killing you almost instantly. Lung shot, that makes it hard to mobilize giving you fatigue. And of course the possibility of bleeding out. Why haven't we seen this in a game already?!
>>335305436
that's nice.
>>335305439
>>335305483
It's not done yet, 30 rounders and a "cheek rest" are on the way.
I would love to have the original stock but I don;t really want to pay an extra $200 to register it as an SBR on top of the $200 cz stock
>>335305047
I know you're trolling, but something like that would never happen. Every time people cry about the president trying to take away their guns jack shit happens.
Unless this country becomes a police state like the UK no body is coming to physically take away peoples guns.
>>335305779
>getting this triggered by a bait post
I think that should be what you should be doing desu. Real talk though gunfags are far too thin skinned.
>>335305863
You should have always liked him
>>335305530
>it's the handguns fault
It's literally mostly gangmembers shooting gangmembers
stop the gangs from profiting and put violent criminals away and throw away the key
wow now the tiny amount of people dying because somebody shot them with a handgun is almost non existent.
oh wait it already basically was.
Is it legal to fire 50 BMG in Arizona?
>>335305893
>buys a scrop
>no plans to SBR it
desu baka senpai
>>335304458
I'm legit scared to read it
Tell me what it says
>>335306018
I don't think he's blaming handguns, he's just saying that if you were truly anti-gun, i.e. you don't want guns themselves on principle, that it's most logical to go after handguns. But they don't.
>>335306068
Yes, but everything above .50 is considered a destructive device. $200 tax stamp per round iirc.
>>335302196
You're thinking of leftists
>>335297918
Depends since everyone has different taste. Some people think CoD guns are good.
For myself personally, good gunplay requires a few things.
1) Time for alignment of sights, especially when transitioning from movement or from sustained full auto fire
2) Recoil, but the visual elements aren't simply animated it's actually part of the bullet spread
3) Great sound, those really high end cracks, pops, and other tinnitus causing lovely bits
Case in point, Rising Storm 2 and Escape from Tarkov have the best gunplay.
>>335304243
>game has a rotating barrel machine gun
>has a firerate on par with the slowest machineguns out there
>functionally identical to other machineguns in the game, pretty much only looks cool
>>335305937
and bernie supporters need to go through basic elementary english skills again.
>>335300432
You have to be able to move your head around and breathe. Go out a gasmask on and jog around for a minute, you'll fucking feel it.
>>335306295
You've played Escape from Tarkov?
>>335297918
>take a mag out to hit a tiny eject thing
>drop this mag, to drop the mag in your gun so you can put a mag in from your belt
hmm
>>335306068
Yes, Is there a state that it's not legal?
>>335306159
I would love to but I spend time in multiple states and you have to inform the ATF whenever you take an SBR over state lines.
If I settle down or that changes I will probably go through with it and get the CZ folder.
>>335306214
I get that he was playing devils advocate and I was just arguing against it, did not mean to heavily imply I though he was an idiot
>>335306376
I fucking hate Borno but lets not lie to ourselves, he is the most gun friendly democrat in a LOOONG time
>>335302714
>Exploding van
Which one of you did this?
>>335306376
It is quite humerus how you would school me on the basics of grammar when you yourself are not exactly the shining example of it, friend.
>>335306406
I haven't played either. That's not necessary to use your fucking eyes though, anon.
>>335306214
$200 tax per round? Fuck well there goes my dream of firing a 20mm
>>335306474
I know it's illegal in CA and NY off the top of my head. You can own the round actually, but it's illegal to fire it since it's considered a destructive device
>>335306516
>jim webb
>>335306643
>but it's illegal to fire it since it's considered a destructive device
CA and NY consider 50 a DD?
>>335306643
>basing your knowledge of gun laws around the country on NY and CA
Lol
>>335306651
Jim Webb isn't even near the level Bernie is.
>>335299439
>This should also include small details like dropped mags which stay on the floor.
i had a love hate relationship with this in blood money
on one hand I was impressed that mags were items that were dropped, on the other hand it's weird having a professional assassin leave a trail of mags
>>335306805
What does that mean?
>democrat
>progun
>bernie
>pro assault weapons ban
>pro mag bans
>>335306757
Those states are run by dumbasses that specifically ban "fiddy cal" because they have no concept of how firearms work or what a caliber even is and then act dumbfounded when the industry works around the ban by changing the diameter of the round from .50 to .49 and suddenly it's legal.
>>335306474
If you ever do decide to SBR it, the ATF just passed some new rules that will make it easier to register as an individual and hopefully cut down on paperwork. No more CLEO signature. I'm waiting for that to take effect (June/July I think) before I SBR my .300 BLK AR and maybe put a suppressor on it.
>>335306581
I thought the trailer or whatever was pretty damn cool, but I don't want to fall for the hype. I'll believe it when I play it.
>>335306643
I moved out of NY quite a while ago but I have some friends there that own guns that they just buy from Vermont or some shit and don't give a fuck. Helps to live in the middle of nowhere though. Fuck the city.
>>335306401
then why does scuba gear work? use something like that
>>335305734
Possible I suppose, but it's more likely these people somehow are stupid enough to believe that arguing polemics and using bullshit scare tactics will work better than trying to be reasonable and do the most good possible through compromise.
>>335306018
I didn't say it was somehow the "Fault" of the handguns, but clearly by their design they are much better at being used for good and for ill, reform and regulations to limit the latter would obviously be good for everyone. Further just because it's "gangmembers shooting gangmembers" much of the time (I'll take your word on that), that doesn't mean that gangmenmbers don't also shoot law abiding citizens, nor does it invalidate that nearly all gun crime is using a handgun. Furthermore it's not often possible to simply "stop gangs from profiting", they don't have marked accounts that can be frozen, and goods that can be easily stopped from reaching market with some regulation. It's not a black and white world where one can simply just stop the root cause of the problem. In the end multifaceted approaches are always going to be required to solve real world problems. Police action is just a part of that ongoing and continued efforts to stop them, but making it harder for them to get weapons is another important step.
Finally just because there is not hugely significant death tolls by measurement against the total population, doesn't mean that if deaths can be prevented that they should not. All efforts should always be made by a governing body to protect the most fundamental right there is.
>>335305842
>>335305863
Tom Cruise is also bretty cool. Anyone who enjoyed John Wick should watch Collateral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8-P8sJNHk0
>>335306954
Chicago and DC had a complete handgun ban for everyone for 30+ years. That's as hard as you can make it. Somehow they still had astronomical levels of murders committed with handguns. Stop being retarded.
>>335306939
I've always thought it would be kinda cool to have armor like Blacklight Retribution. That game is pretty shitty but I like the armor designs.
I think the idea is that it's full frontal face armor, with cameras/electronics to help you see.
>>335298537
r6 siege
>>335297918
Good sounds, good animations, good simulation of weight and recoil, good reaction from whatever you're shooting.
>>335307185
I wonder if in the future, fully protected helmet coverings with cooling fans inside will be a standardized thing.
Cameras and electronics assisting you to see outside can pose a problem if they go down but still mite b cool
>>335303112
>Bae Systems
>>335305436
Medicine is designed to heal people and it kills many many more every day.
>>335307126
That's ridiculous, just because two cities banned them will clearly not produce the desired changes when one could just go a short jaunt into the next country and by them. Laws that enforce something like a ban or other restrictions must actually be global, and limiting, otherwise they clearly will have little deterrent power.
Also I didn't call for an outright ban, I called for some additional regulation and legal reform.
>>335303037
i love KF2's animations
>all that sexy jiggle
>>335298608
An accidental discharge can occasionally happen. Good thing he's in a range with his gun pointed towards the range.
No one actually got hurt except the guy's pride for screwing up once.
I'm guessing you have never seen a gun fire in real life or been to a range.
You act like you can get instant AIDS from even being near a gun.
Be realistic. You should try new things. Maybe a day at the range will at least make you see why people like to shoot guns.
This thread makes me want to buy a new gun. Maybe I'll finally get an SKS so I can finally be a /k/ memer. Although now that I live in TX I really just want to get something chambered in 7.62x39 that's at least made in the last 20 years.
Not a big fan of loading guns with clips. It got really annoying doing that with my nugget.
>>335307518
And which of your regulations attacks the fact that 77% of firearms used in crimes are stolen from someone who did go through all the hoops and purchased them legally?
>>335297918
Good gunplay is mainly about two things.
>1) Good weapon balance and function. Weapons in your arsenal should have their own use and remain viable throughout the game. Good example: Doom. All weapons have their own distinct use depending on circumstance.
>2) Satisfaction of using your weaponry. Your weapons should simple feel good when you blast them. Good example: FEAR
>>335306954
>>335306898
That's funny as shit
I remember when the mag bans were going to happen after sandy hook and people were writing .458 socom on their 30 round AR mags since you can fit 10 socoms in a 30 round pmag
>that's not a high capacity magazine officer it's for my 458 socom upper :D
>but making it harder for them to get weapons is another important step.
The problem is that they steal most of their guns or have non criminals buy them which you cannot regulate.
You are NEVER going to have handgun bans in the US
>Finally just because there is not hugely significant death tolls by measurement against the total population, doesn't mean that if deaths can be prevented that they should not. All efforts should always be made by a governing body to protect the most fundamental right there is.
That's all well and good but we should not be trampling on all of our other rights for safety.
You can defund gangs by realizing why they profit.
Drugs, prostitution and illicit gambling are some of the biggest moneymakers for the illicit organization
ending the drug war, decriminalizing recreational use and legalizing prostitution would cripple these gangs financially.
criminal justice reform is required to put away violent criminals instead of revolving door policies we have now.
We don't need to overregulate firearms because we don't know how to stop criminals
Firearms are not the issue and tens of millions should not be barred form their rights due to the actions of a vast minority
>>335307504
Good old British Aerospace and Electric
>>335307042
Do you have the one of him drawing and firing on the two guys?
>>335304408
>Controller
>>335307501
I got a Gear VR recently and it has a feature to let you see through the phone's camera that made me think of that kind of thing.
But when it comes down to it, if you're designing infantry armor to survive shots to the fucking face, maybe said infantry should be doing a better job just not getting shot at.
>>335307518
>I called for some additional regulation and legal reform.
don't generalize, give me specifics that I can argue against.
>oh I would just let those lefties that want to ban all guns come up with something
is not good enough.
>>335307628
Putting extra legal culpability on those who purchase the weapons in the first place insentivizing that they secure them properly in the first place. Making it harder for people to purchase weapons then claim them "Stolen". Those sorts of legal measures.
>>335307758
>mice have triggers
>>335304048
>Mozambique drill
>shoots the guy on the floor without looking at him
Reinstalling.
>>335307638
Okay, now what what makes those weapons feel good
VIDEO GAMES
>>335308009
No video games here. Only retarded gun nuts
>>335305981
>Fucks boipucci every night
>>335308009
Are you the guy that's been reporting all the video game weapon threads?
>>335307546
too bad the actual game is shit. Such a shame
>>335307185
I love the blacklight designs.
I hope they make another game without the perfect world merchants.
>>335306939
Scuba gear is literally giving you an air supply, a gas mask is limiting the amount of air you get because it has to pass through an air filter first. Seriously, try it. There was a guy on one of the bases I was stationed at that would run in a gas mask. I assume after training like that, running without one is a fucking cakewalk.
>>335307646
>souless remakes, souless sequels and sequel baiting
B-But that would require effort for the Democratic party!
Also, god forbit we don't make it so that areas with 1,000 or so kids have fucking security guards. Da popo iz bad, we need da goon banz!
>>335305863
>Just now liking Keanu
Kill yourself
>>335308161
I reinstalled it after a long time not playing and somehow they made it even worse. It was an okayish game before but now it's just total garbage. Feels bad man.
>>335303037
I guess you're kind of right regarding animations.
>>335306954
>the most fundamental right there is
The right to bear arms.
>>335308154
the core gameplay is great, it's just that tripwire is too busy sucking dicks to update their game
>>335307862
>Putting extra legal culpability on those who purchase the weapons in the first place insentivizing that they secure them properly in the first place
So you want to punish people if they have their guns stolen
How about tax credits for gunsafes?
The issue is that you are regulating how people handle their own property, the amount of guns stolen is tiny compared to the stockpiles in civilian hands.
>Making it harder for people to purchase weapons then claim them "Stolen".
Again, what?
we already watch people that are suspected straw purchasers and repeat offenders do get caught.
>>335308107
No.
But I come in to a thread about gunplay in vidya and I only see a bunch of people getting their panties in a bunch because "guns are bad, mmkay"
>>335300590
does it means that 99,4% of firearm deaths aren't accidental them ?
>>335297918
Good sounds
Decent animation
Good models
Enemy reacts
Easy to determine a hit
Doesn't take 50 fucking shots to kill an unarmored enemy under any sane circumstances
Plenty of impact, this is important as shit. Clouds of smoke, blood plumes, that shit.
>>335308324
shit when you can play the first game
>>335307546
It bothers me that where the weapon is pointing doesn't always correlate to where you're actually aiming.
It's like they wanted weapon sway but still wanted your aim to be locked to the center.
>>335308296
Any time I see a Garand, my fingers hurt. You gotta hold that fucking bolt open if you want to keep your fingers.
>>335308324
>the core gameplay is great
If you are fucking retarded.
We had one chance at a game as good, if not better, than Nazi Zombies, but SJWire had to fuck it up and shove EA down everyones cockholes
>>335302164
World of Guns
>>335297918
That's like the Rube Goldberg of reloads.
>>335307862
We have all that already, dipshit. Try again. Laws don't prevent crimes, they only punish them.
>>335308472
It means that 99.4% of accidental deaths in the US did not involve a firearm
>>335308486
>game has a laser attatchment
>bullets don't impact where the laser is
Insurgency was so refreshing when I first played it
>western society permeated by centuries of cowboy bullshit and gangster worship
>outlawing weapons and prohibiting self defence will undo all of that and we'll all live in a nice happie dream utopia with no crime or acts of violence ever
Bunch of fucking sheltered aspies ITT. I hope you snap out of it one day, for your own sake.
>>335308641
>wasting aa-12 ammo on trash
why
>>335303037
Also sounds, and stats that correlate to what the weapon sounds and looks like.
>>335307646
>That's all well and good but we should not be trampling on all of our other rights for safety.
I'm sorry anon, but without the right to life, no other rights can exist. It is tantamount that we protect it from malicious violations.
>ending the drug war, decriminalizing recreational use and legalizing prostitution would cripple these gangs financially.
One I very much doubt that would ever be able to get legally past most local governments, let alone past federal institutions.
Secondly that's basically encouraging a degenerate society that disregards basic morals and encourages hedonistic destruction of the body and the self. Would you really want to live in such a country even if it meant no gangs?
>criminal justice reform is required to put away violent criminals instead of revolving door policies we have now.
Agreed whole heartedly.
>We don't need to overregulate firearms because we don't know how to stop criminals
Perhaps not, but I personally wouldn't consider that some additional restraints on buying, selling, and harsher punishments for negligence or using guns in the commission of criminal acts is overregulating. At least not when one takes into account what may be saved by doing so.
>Firearms are not the issue
They are not the true issue, but they are a contributing part of the greater problem make no mistake about that.
Why the hell haven't any of you guys posted this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf-xxGkkWPs
This perfect explains how gunplay works
>>335308712
i was just fucking around
>>335308703
viper is a real niggaI would really prefer if these people would stop talking about politics itt
>>335307991
Eh, a few things.
>Loud and satisfying sounds (shooting, reloading)
>Nifty animations
>A feeling of strong impact. What really helps with this is a physics based system like ragdolls or anything that allows you to see your gun exerting force on the enemies and pushing them away. A good gore and animation system coupled with this makes it even better.
>>335308641
Good argument.
Keep sucking Tripwire's dick, faggot.
>>335308823
Your shit out of luck buddy. I think most people are just false flaggers replying to false flaggers replying to trolls.
>>335308620
You do know you have to sight a laser in for a specific range, right? Same as any other optic.
Bugs me in STALKER that it never mentions what range the fucking guns are zeroed on. Don't give me a goddamn military scope with a range finder, them not tell me what range the bullet will actually hit at!
>>335308079
Fucking leave this site and go back to tumblr
Jesus why are there anti gun faggots on 4chan
>>335301992
No, shooting games are point-your-cursor-and-left-click-games.
CS:GO is a point-your-cursor-and-left-click-and-hope-RNG-is-on-your-side-game.
>>335298981
i pretty much stopped playing shooters once devs started putting in that "LOL BULLETS GO SLIGHTLY RANDOMLY U GET LESS ACCURATE THE MORE U SHOOT" bullshit.
>>335297918
The clips on those look so dumb.
>>335308961
>You do know you have to sight a laser in for a specific range, right? Same as any other optic.
I'm pretty sure the games I was playing didn't simulate holdovers, but I get what you're saying.
>>335308851
The problem with "good impact" is that in the real world, bullets can't exert enough force to push anyone away. They're simply too small.
>>335306863
He leaves tons of shell casings too, which are more detrimental to getting caught.
He should have used a collector at the ejection port.
>>335309158
Who cares? "Realism" is why games have gone to shit.
>>335304434
No, you can't. She would go to jail for doing that in real life and even in the movie the cops are after her.
>>335309158
Good thing video games don't have to follow reality then
>>335308392
>So you want to punish people if they have their guns stolen
Well in some cases where there was clearly a way to prevent it from happening. If you have your gun under your pillow with all the doors unlocked and you've told everyone about it, when it get's stolen and used to kill some little old asian shopkeer you should be held responsible to some degree for negligent behavior, even if it's just a fine.
>How about tax credits for gunsafes?
That's a fine idea. Though hopefully only actual reliable models, not the kind you can jimmy open with a screwdriver or a paper clip.
>The issue is that you are regulating how people handle their own property
It is just to make laws that regulate how one handles their property when it comes to issues of greater public safety. For the most part laws doing so have been found to be both constitutional and ethical.
>we already watch people that are suspected straw purchasers and repeat offenders do get caught.
While that's true, I'm quite sure better systems can be devised in this day and age of big data. Better prescreening and data sharing will make it harder to get away with.
>>335308592
Law creates incentive against criminal action. If we didn't have any laws do you think most people would be as well behaved as they are now? While it is true that the law will not ever stop any specific criminal from committing a criminal act, it may dissuade a large amount of potential criminals from committing that act.
>>335309158
It's a video game, faggot.
Both realistic and unrealistic weapons can feel good.
>>335309251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKv7hvO8Bm8&t=2m8s
47 catching the brass in this trailer made my dick rock hard. I know it's a bit stupid but who gives a fuck, games need character and style.
>>335309324
I'm gonna have to play this.
>>335309324
Those things aren't being thrown by the impact, they fall down because it blew them apart. That's realistic.
>>335309158
>The problem with "good impact" is that in the real world, bullets can't exert enough force to push anyone away
Is this kid serious? Try getting shot with a .50 desert eagle from close range faggot.
>>335309470
If President Trump got up on the podium and said "there are no longer laws, and cops will no longer be paid", all that would happen is niggers would start chimping out and looting, anti gun babies like you would be victimized, and people who realize that they're life and safety are their own responsibility (the 300 million law abiding gun owners) would carry on as if nothing happened.
>>335304434
IIRC, that's kind of the point of the movie. She takes vigilantism too far.
>>335303127
Railguns will take over that job.
No powder needed either, they can have much more ammunition.
What are some games (besides Insurgency) with satisfying assault/battle rifles?
For me the heavier the character feels the better the more satisfying gun play usually is.
Quake for example has really feather feeling controls, you can jump far and move fast etc and because of that the guns you fire feel less realistic.
Metro 2033 on the other hand, it's cumbersome, reloading takes a while so you have to be careful not only with when you shoot but how much you shoot.
Both games are amazing but Metro feels way better in terms of gun play.
My favourite for best guns is Killzone 2 hands down.
>>335309967
I'm not involved in this argument at all, and I am pro-gun, but that's a retarded argument to make
There isn't going to be a mass repeal of all laws and law enforcement, and if the world devolves into post apocalyptic shit I honestly don't want to be alive in it
>>335309158
I'm pretty sure a shotgun to the chest up close would knock you back pretty good.
>>335309893
Notice how you yourself don't get blown backwards when firing the weapon.
>>335309967
First off I'm not antigun or progun, I believe that the real world requires compromise and that extremes cannot truly get their way in a democratic society.
Secondly I'm honestly not sure what you are trying to argue with your point? That might makes right in a state of natural rule?
>>335310147
Yeah because you're not the one being shot by the bullet you fucking retard.
>>335309893
You do know that even a gun like that wouldn't push you back, like, at all, right? Even a big slow round like a 50 AE. Go look up a ballistic video of a 50 caliber round. Not only will the target barely move, but they always use targets that are way smaller then an actual human.
I know you're a trolling CoD kiddy though, so I'm sure you don't care.
>>335299179
Remove watermelon and 2 liter. Alglocku Akbar
>>335310240
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
>>335308851
Oh yeah, to add to this
>Environmental damage as seen here >>335309779. Shit like decals, etc. Weapons should have a strong destructive impact on the environment just as they do on the foes.
>>335310240
Are you really this stupid?
>>335310261
>The target will barely move
Isn't that usually because the round goes straight through instead of imparting all it's energy? Large rounds have some real kick, or so I hear anyways.
>>335310261
you're missing the point. it doesn't matter how it would work in the real world because it's more fun to see enemies get blown back 10 feet from a double barrel blast.
>>335304735
I wish gun laws was a bit more on the defender's side.
If I shoot a burglar or an assailant here in Norway, I can actually get jail time(Even for just wounding).
3 star-hotel jail time maybe, but it's still a shit way of treating someone who could have gotten themselves and their family killed if there was no gun.
>>335310401
Of course they do but it's never as big as the shit you see in movies or firing range that use either small as fuck or really thin targets.
>>335310471
Read the post he was replying to.
They're quite explicitly talking about real world situations.
>>335310336
>>335310361
The guy shooting the bullet is not the one being shot by the bullet you spastic.
>Action: guy shoots bullet
>Reaction: bullet fires
>Action: guy gets shot by the bullet
>Reaction: gets blown the fuck away
If you're shot up close by a shotgun there's no fucking way you won't get pushed back from the impact. Stay retarded tho dickhead.
>>335310186
We have compromise already. Adding regulations to an already regulated thing isn't "compromise", it's " restriction". Any my point is, the majority of people don't commit crimes because we have some sort of moral compass. Unlike criminals and Niggers. I carry a gun everywhere. I've never committed a crime outside of dodging bills and speeding. If I have to kill someone to defend me or my loved ones, so be it. I'm not going to be a victim, becuse MY safety and MY life are in MY hands alone.
>>335309158
>muh realism
neo /v/ pls
>>335310043
I really liked fear's assault rifle. Not exactly what you might be looking for in terms of the same feel as insurgency's.
>>335310401
>>335310493
What he said.
>>335310595
The gun is absorbing some of the kinetic energy of the bullet firing, but not a ton. The amount of kick the gun gives when firing to the shooter is slightly less than what the bullet can deliver on impact. When you get past 5th grade physics, they'll teach you that.
>>335305720
Holy shit, Keanu.
>>335310838
Too wimpy for me.
>>335310746
My two most played games are STALKER and (modded) Doom, so make of that what you will.
>>335310336
>>335310840
>hurrrr guiz why duzznt da guy shootang da rocket launcher fly away xD
No. You're an idiot.
>>335310970
Why do you think launchers have a big ass hole at the rear?
>>335310898
Sorry to tell you, insurgency is good as it gets.
>>335300178
You haven't played enough games then. CS GO, I consider middle of the road. Just average gunplay since plenty of games have far shittier gunplay.
>>335309635
The next map is out next week.
It's a daytime Italian coastal town level.
At first I was sceptical of the whole episodic HItman thing, but it's gotten me to do every possible assassination and 100% the episode this far.
>>335310031
Not to mention no risk of explosion if the ammunition storage is hit.
>>335302513
Every time I see Max Payne 3 webms, it gives me this urge to play it.
>>335303112
A single round costs $20,000.
>>335310610
There isn't just one "compromise" possible anon, it's not a state that is reached and then if anything changes, strayed from.
>majority of people don't commit crimes because we have some sort of moral compass
While it is true that a society does control through it's norms of behavior and culture, it is wrong to think that everyone has sufficient "moral compass" to always be good. There is a reason why societies that believed in a god who could punish their sins succeeds where as more primitive religions are the stuff of small tribes People have consistently shown that without rules and punishment for transgressions they will bend and break what is acceptable to get what they want. Now not to say without laws people would start murdering each other, but without some sort of structure to punish wrongdoers, wrongdoing will always be much more prevalent. It's simple rules of behavior anon.
>I've never committed a crime outside of dodging bills and speeding
And I'm sure if those weren't illegal you'd do them much more often, again the point isn't to assume everyone would go barbaric the minute laws are gone, but that laws, like locks, are there to keep honest people honest. And to hopefully give someone enough reason to think twice before doing something stupid and selfish.
>If I have to kill someone to defend me or my loved ones, so be it. I'm not going to be a victim, becuse MY safety and MY life are in MY hands alone.
OK.
>>335311147
Despite csgo being unrealistic, i feel the gunporn is suprisingly good.
>>335303112
>tfw bae throws a wrench at me
>>335311064
You shoot someone with a magnum to the head right in front of his face you think he's just gonna drop down straight? of course not you shitbag. His head will be pushed back from the impact and he'll fall backwards rather than straight down. How can you seriously be too stupid to understand this?
>>335311289
Money well spent.
>>335300915
That's not even considering all the environmental harms from pollution and gas consumption that causes health problems and ruins the planet.
Cars are far bigger a problem than guns.
>>335307504
Ebonics bastardisation of the English language as gone too far.
>>335311374
You have the same grasp of physics as Bernie Sanders supporters have of economics.
>>335311289
I single MLRS missile costs about 150K.
>>335311495
You're a shitter on /v/ who argues over petty trivial things all day. You know what? I'm gonna have sex now.
>>335311374
kek
Go watch some suicide footage. Kurt Cobain was thrown up in the air after shooting himself, right?
>>335311374
That's fine and all but you still haven't answered my question.
So come on, let's hear it.
>Tfw gun has bullet drop
>Can watch a bullet through the scope fall right into some bandit whoreson's sckull
>>335311289
Funny thing is, they are going to modify m109a7 to use railguns, but for anti-air purposes. Imagine that.
>>335311602
Usually I'd think this is some low quality bait or baby first troll, but at this point I'm not even sure anymore, this guy might be legitimately retarded.
>>335311374
You're the kind of guy who thinks someone getting shot with a shotgun will fly backwards like in the movies.
The shooter would have broken his arms clean off if that was the case.
>>335311602
I'm too sore from making my girl cum 4 times last night, plus I'm already sitting in the tub. Go have sex with your 2d fantasy anime girl and don't come back until you graduate middle school please. There is nothing trivial about basic knowledge of how the world around us works.
ability to aim and have bullets go where you're aiming or following a fairly non-random pattern while spraying
ability to adjust sensitivity minute amounts to fit your preference perfectly
ability to turn off all forms of assistance and acceleration
ability to aim and have bullets fit through tiny cracks you're aiming through instead of hitting something that's above/below your crosshair because you're close to it
ability to fire one bullet with one tap of mouse1 on automatic weapons
off the top of my head
>>335298189
It's a joke you cunt
>>335311716
I thought anti air was all going to be lasers? Or was that anti missile?
Oh well, either way the future of warfare never looked so bright.
>>335311251
But then I realize that the story is shit and it isn't really a Max Payne game at all.
>>335311868
That's anti missile or drone.
>>335311846
Mostly this ^
But I'd like to add:
Knowing exactly where your gun is in 3d space relative to the environment.
Howany games have you tried to fire through a crack or something and instead hit the wall directly in front of you because your gun is rendered separately from the 3d world? Shit pisses me off like nothing else.
>>335311875
It's a fucking great game. Who gives a shit about stories?
>>335299179
>>335310301
>>335298817
>Hickok
Living his golden years as all men should.
>>335304869
those aged but steady hands
>>335307774
Nah, we'll get to the point where it's cheaper to not build something to protect a human soldier, but replace them entirely.
>>335312147
Games with noir setting should care heavily about the story and atmopshere. Neither of which MP 3 had.
>>335297918
Wow
>>335305436
Fast food, medicine, coal and gas by products, and cars kill more per day.
>>335312170
>I'm my own master now
>>335297918
Insurgency and Red Orchestra are praised for "good gunplay", but I feel like the weapons feel too .. floaty.
Also the sounds are pretty poor.
Squad does explosion sounds quite well but weapons sound weak and quiet in all the footage I've seen. PR was better, crisp, loud sounds.
>>335298027
The retardedness of merifats and their
'Lol AK so shit how do you even reload?' Bullshit.
>Exactly like a western ar. Just with your other hand whilst the other holds the rifle true still.
>>335304823
seems like a ridiculous design specifically because of that reload
>>335312410
>PR
hated the excessively overexaggerated reloading animations. Squad suffers from this too
>>335298823
To be perfectly fair to Haley, he did ND the AK while filming segments about various ways people keep their fingers off the trigger incorrectly and why you shouldn't do them.
>>335298334
Is this guy a Fucking moron? In what fucktarded universe would that give you any tactical advantage at all?
>I'll try soinning, that's a good trick!
>>335312213
I don't know man, I don't watch movies or play games for stories, I only care about interactivity and visuals. Just my opinion. I honestly could even tell you what constitutes a "good" story, and I imagine most story fags couldn't either. I had no problem with MP3s story.
>>335312160
>You will never nail a gong dead center with a pistol from 100 yards like Hickok can.
Why live?
>>335312702
That's not much of a feat. Or are you lamenting the fact that you're in The Land That Freedom Forgot (Britain)?
>>335297918
Why even bother producing guns and learning how to shoot them anymore? Humans haven't been at war with each other since WWII and every national military is just standing around doing jack shit but be a money sink and e-peen topic
>>335305720
>tfw he is 51 years old
>>335312702
I never got to hold nor fire a gun since my country is anal about it, is it that hard?
At the sound of it it doesn't sound like a difficult task but then again "easier said than done"
Also have to keep in mind that Hickok been pretty much firing all his life, dude have a shitload of experience.
>>335312892
Because if one powerful countrythat actually matter that isdecide to get it's in dick back in the pant, the "rival" have all the excuse he need to go ballistic about it.
>>335299221
Ffs. Are these guys in the 'let's figure out the stupidest way to anti-do everything ' business
I like when you shoot someone in a game and you see dust and blood in the air. I don't know where the dust comes from. But it still looks really cool.
The way it "feels". I remember the first time I shot an 870 after using it in BF and thinking, "yeah, the game pretty much nailed it".
>>335312802
Fuck off
>>335312906
Yes, it is. I've been shooting every week for two months and I'm still working on making my 15 yard groups solid. Every couple of yards you put the target out amplifies how much you miss.
>>335313043
Talking about c-clamp? It's the hottest new 3-gun meme.
>>335312892
Anon, where the fuck have you been? There have been many wars since WWII.
Shit, Sarajevo is a prime example of what would happen in a city when shit hits the fan.
>>335309779
>>335308851
>Both Monolith games
I always thought that the guys that worked on FEAR's gunplay must have also been Blood developers. Both games place such a huge emphasis on making the shooting feel amazing. I've never played games that have more satisfying guns than Blood and FEAR. Killing Floor comes to mind, too.
>>335299348
Splintercell blacklist is all I can think of
>>335312895
>51
He's a bit older than that, m8
>>335312802
My hands are really unsteady. I shoot 7-8 inch groups at only 50 yards with my M&p 40.
>>335312906
100+ yards with a pistol is something to be proud of. At that range wind, bullet drop, hand steadiness, and other factors can fuck your shot.
>>335313176
>2016
>still no devs that focus their energy into making single player fps games with exceptional gunplay
I could only imagine how good a new fear 1 type game would look like with today's tech
>>335298416
Nice Xm8
B8
M8
8/8
>>335313329
>mfw I accidentally ordered 2 m&p shields yesterday
I have made an error
>>335313597
9mm?
>>335312906
With a pistol, it's pretty hard. You don't have the length of a rifle to put your iron sights on, so any tilting off center will just throw your aim off; and every little bit translates into feet downrange. Also, people generally don't realize their eyes need to be focusing on the front sight, not the target.
Then after that, how you pull the trigger is very important. Pull the wrong way and the motions of your hand will twist it, making all the aiming you did pointless. This problem still affects rifles, but not as badly since you have more points of contact with the rifle (stock, grip, barrel shroud) to keep it stable.
The reason they issue a rifle to soldiers is because it seriously is the easiest type of firearm to learn to shoot.
>>335313705
yes
>>335307042
codlaststand.webm
>>335299201
underrated post
>>335313597
What do you live in? I might be interested in buying one off you.
>>335313935
FL
Why, are you under 21?
>>335313807
Carry both and dual wield like a vidya gaem. 9mm has no kick and the shield is small enough to easily grip and handle, even for manlets.
>>335301927
Dindu nuffins screaming how evil white rich bitch murders 2 innocent boys.
>any black person (niggers aren't people) that says different is vilified by the dindus as a race traitor
>5-10 evil white rich bitches get murderraped on trains or subways just in NYC alone by the dindus as 'protest'
I make it a point to classify black PEOPLE and goon/thugs/rappers/dindus/niggers as two separate groups.
>>335314024
Already made a thread on /k/ earlier on this. I should order a second holster for this
>>>/k/29714062
>>335308324
aim for their feet with the flamethrower and caulk gun. the lingering fire on the ground does more damage than aiming at their chest.
>>335312147
I wouldnt if playing through it without the story was an option, but as it stands its five minutes of great shooting, two minutes of story, repeated every level. It keeps you from getting in the groove and really enjoying it when its so stop and go
>>335314007
No, I just live in CT and they're pretty much jews about who and where we can buy our shit from.
>>335314083
>rich
>uses public transportation
>>335301679
Post more FAL.
There needs to be:
- Distinct gunshot sounds; each shot should make a noise that's discernible from the next (unless the gun's RPM is insanely high, of course). Also, a lot of games have their gun shots really fuckin' quiet for some reason. What was that one guys description of gunshot sounds in CoD? Pebbles rattling around in a tin can? None of that.
- Recoil animation with weight.
- Reload animations with weight; they don't have to be fancy, they just need to be convincing and not completely boring.
- Realistic reactions to getting shot; you should only be able to outright kill someone by shooting them in a vital area (head, chest) and even if they're down they shouldn't always be instantly dead. If someone is taking cover and you shoot them 10 times in the foot, they should NEVER die unless you sit there for a couple minutes as they pass out. Basically, you should never feel like your enemies have health bars; just places that will wound them and places that will kill them.
- Controls; all the things everyone else already nailed in this thread.
- A huge variety of guns; one of the things I've enjoyed about Far Cry games is that there's usually two to three times as many guns than other shooter. Guns should also be viable throughout the game; the gun you start with is still going to kill a motherfucker at the end of the game. Tactical choices and playstyle preferences should decide the guns you use.
- Cover system; if you have lean keys, you don't need one. The only example of a cover system that works perfectly that I can think of is in Far Cry 4. It's completely fluid and unintrusive; you can't get stuck in cover and the controls don't randomly change when you're in cover. To blindfire you simply press your shoot button and you fire around the closest edge. If you want to peek out and aim, you hit your ironsight button. If you want to leave cover, you just step away from it like moving normally. None of this button that snaps you to cover bullshit.
>>335309303
You can use lethal force if your life is threatened even by unarmed person. Shooting someone who is part of an attack on your life is justified.
>>335305981
Keanu's had a hard life.
>>335312663
Even then, if the idea is the free up the right hand for the pistol, he could just hold the rifle by the barrel in his left hand with little difficulty.
>>335314437
Can't even buy one from here?
http://palmettostatearmory.com/smith-wesson-m-p-shield-9mm-w-o-thumb-safety-10035.html
>>335314586
Gears of war had a pretty decent cover system.
>mfw being able to still shoot when vaulting over surfaces or sliding into cover
>>335314553
I finally came across that doujin the other night.
Was too excited to fap to it, tho.
>>335314865
I can get them from retailers, but CT is pretty strict about private sales being between in-state parties. I figured if you lived here I'd help you out and get a handgun I've been eyeing for a while lol
>>335302392
>overwatch avatar poster getting triggered by this
holy fuck the irony
>>335315073
Buy from psa then famfam $350 w/ free shipping is a hell of a deal
>>335314865
Nah man, snap-to-cover is terrible. I hated GoW because of that and my other pet peeve in shooters; bullets that move at half the speed of smell.
Seriously, it's fucking ridiculous.
>>335311865
It's not a joke, it's a gross motor skills reload. When in a combat situation, stress can make your fine motor skills (singers, sometimes even hands) shakey and lock up. These kinds of reloads are for when you can't actually move your fingers because your are fearing for your life.
>>335315206
I haven't played gears ever since the third one came out. But to my knowledge, it was one of the only good games of that gen to have a decent cover system
gta4's cover system was fucking atrocious, for example.
>>335315330
This. I was involved in a self defense shooting a few months ago. My hands were shaking so much I was physically incapable of dialing keys to my phone to call my mom
>>335308996
If thats true, then why are there so many of the same people in the pro scene?
CHECK MATE RNG FGS
>>335314510
The point is that the Dindu hate campaigners would represent the character as that of a 'rich white bitch' maliciously executing innocent godfearing churchgoing Christian boys etc.
We've already seen this level of absurdity happen already. Just last year the dindus chimped out because a white policeman drew on, shot and killed some gangbanger fuck head.
>who had an assault rifle and had drawn and aimed it first at the officer.
The dindus are still trying to get the policeman fired and charged with murder over it.
'Muh innocent boy dindu nuffin' isn't a Fucking meme for no reason. These fucking degenerates will leap to the attack no matter what the circumstances were of the inciting incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPKUO1yKAqY
Just want to leave this here
The developer plans to put in pretty much every firearm of note eventually
You are now running the mental maths on how to fit a Vive in your budget
>>335315534
Why are Sig's so damn sexy?
>>335298608
You have to be 18 to post here.
>>335315330
>>335315534
I've tried to explain this to people in self defense situations, but no one seems to understand or believe it. I guess you have to experience it.
Anyway, glad to see some other people confirm it.
>>335315534
What happened?
Post yfwbolters
>>335308732
What good is a right to life without a right to effectively defend that life?
>>335316319
Fuck man my hands get shakey when I have to interact people in public. I could never imagine being in a self defense situation where I need to lift my shirt and draw my gun.
>>335315982
Looks amazing, but there really is no substitute for shooting the real thing anymore.
>>335316337
>What happened?
>nothing ;)
But >>335316319 is correct to a certain degree. When you experience an immediate body alarm response and have a bunch of adrenaline in you, your brain goes to shit and you rely on muscle memory.
The thing in op's webm is just a funny take on it however. That guy Travis Haley made a point in one of his videos that fighter pilots are still able to manipulate a bunch of buttons and levers while in a shitload of stress because they train.
>>335297918
The critical factor is how enemies react to being shot.
This is why Doom will always be more satisfying than Quake.
>>335299195
Its a difference of like 50ish feet per second for 20" to 16" which is pretty irrelevant for a bullet moving at 3000+
>>335315986
>Why are Sig's so damn sexy?
They just are. Some anon's collection of p225/p6s.
>>335316816
You just need to practice interacting with people in public, same with practicing on shooting tbqh
I'm the same
>>335301425
Damn this is fun, hope it gets finished
>>335308928
>>335308812
>>335308641
>>335307546
Too jiggly. KF2 tried to be realistic but as it is with most devs they went to far and made it gimmicky. Sure the fore end of an AK wobbles around when it's shooting, but the sight isn't going to wobble on the rail, if there was room like that for play it wouldn't stay zeroed through a magazine.
>>335317451
and to be extremely sperg, the rear sight leaf isn't moving up and down
>>335307546
>Sight jiggle
If real sights did that much jiggling, they would never be zeroed.
>Reciprocating barrel
the AK barrel doesn't do that though.
>>335317368
I used to take these tacticool training courses with my uncle run by one of his friends in the police department. Mostly focused around concealed carrying. Easy enough on a controlled course, but I know it's way different in an actual real scenario.
He kept trying to empathize that we get our skills down as much as possible. Something about you default to your training in a high pressure situation.
>>335316505
>Bolters in Spess marine
>that distinct lack of daka for something that's supposed to be retard powerful
>>335316957
Not everyone is american with access to actual guns
And not every american can even get access to the actual neat shit like M79's
https://youtu.be/z57MzPpuF90?t=3m24s
>>335317820
>only shooting area around me is a static range
>no moving
>no shooting from draw
>no rapid fire
>>335315982
That looks fun, too bad I'm both too poor to afford guns, and too poor to afford VR.
>>335297918
Games where bullets shoot straight
Meaning not counter strike.
>>335315330
That particular clip is Firepower United, and it is a joke. Tell me these guys. You're not wrong about why gross motor skills training exists, but that clip is a joke.
>>335317820
>Something about you default to your training in a high pressure situation.
Yeah, the point is to practice to the point where it becomes second nature. In a situation where your training would need to kick in, it should all be instinctual and you don't have to think about it too much. That is the theory behind it, at least.
>>335298109
tactical reload
you must finesse with movements or blow your head off, Ivan
Insurgency gunplay is good right?
>>335318051
We don't get access to the M79 either, grenades and other explosives are controlled materials.
>>335318267
My uncle has a replica of m1873 chambered in .22 lr. No idea why he bought it, but it's fun for plinking at the range.
Not 100% sure if it's a replica actually, but it looks similar.
>>335316505
It still makes me homicidally pissed off at GW that they haven't progressed the IoM even a little.
>BOLT RIFLES.
Select fire rifles (burst/semi -auto)
Bolt pistol calibre (since normal humans can use them )
Upnecked to bolter cartridge (since longer rifled barrel with proper stock etc. To hold and brace with means normal humans can use it )
Room for all the gadgets IG use
COUNTER-INTUITIVELY much less logistical loading on the munitorum since everything the guard fight dies to FAR less bolter fire than lasgunning.
2-3 shots at most vs. Multiple fucking lasgun power cells.
>suddenly IG regiments are the deadliest motherfuckers in space. Newton be damned.
>>335301176
This is why I play Insurgency.
I fucking hate this 'pixel hunting' thing.
>>335304197
Some of us do.
Waiting for Ground Branch.
>>335302276
>>335302362
It's such a shame that there is no other game like Receiver.
>>335297918
I think that according to neo /v/ logic, reloading and shooting must be extremely difficult, you have to press the correct buttons in sequence or else the gun will explode and kill. All your experience points will be depleted and you will begun at the beginning of the level with all the enemies respawned.
then, we will see threads like "oh guys this gun is so hard and impossible check this webm how I died, lol fun,git gut"
>>335318534
>Really want to get into insurgency
>Eye sight is kind of fucked up so enemies tend to blend into the environment too much
>Get lit up by some guy who was standing 5 feet away from me
I hate having shitty eyes.
>>335303828
>>335303391
Anyone know why they removed the friendly fire search filter? Takes forever to find a server with it enabled and it feels wrong without it.
I also really hope Sandstorm isn't consolized.
CS:GO has the most toxic online community I've ever seen, and some of the worst gunplay
>bullets don't fly where the scope is pointed
>"IT'S A SKILL GAME AND IT'S CALLED RECOIL BRO RECOIL MAKES THE BULLET NOT GO STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BARREL. CS GO IS THE MOST REALISTIC AND HARDCORE SHOOTER, GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY FAGGOT" t.Average CS:GO shitter.
>>335297918
When the shooting feels like it's coming from an actual gun and not a battery powered stapler
>>335318872
Everyone who plays it now is pretty much brain dead so it might be a good time to pick it back up.
>>335318872
>so enemies tend to blend into the environment too much
This mod is a thing anon
>>335299348
change Barbra Streisand with a transgender black woman and the niggers with white KKK guys
>>335318991
IT'S A SKILL GAME AND IT'S CALLED RECOIL BRO RECOIL MAKES THE BULLET NOT GO STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BARREL. CS GO IS THE MOST REALISTIC AND HARDCORE SHOOTER, GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY FAGGOT
>>335319085
That really just seems like blatant cheating. Is that a legit mod or just some kind of file edit?
>>335319193
it's a mod. Just giving you an idea on how far you can go with changing player's skins.
>>335297918
>What constitutes "good gunplay"
anything NOT first-person
>>335297918
Resident Evil 4 had superb gunplay, better than almost every FPS.
>>335299657
It's fine in ArmA2, in ArmA3 they introduced a physx based ragdoll system and quadrupled the health you get. Enemies take comparatively ridiculous amounts of bullets to put down and the ragdolls look retarded, the models also flinch in a really exaggerated fashion every time they get hit.
The most satisfying thing about ArmA/Operation Flashpoint combat was seeing a little dot silhouetted against the horizon and making that dot disappear with a single trigger pull, you can't do that in ArmA3 any more.
>>335318534
Some of the guns sound like shit but otherwise they handle well.
>tfw Elimination is your favorite Ins mode and only like 2 full servers are ever up at one time
>>335298823
Even as someone who handles guns regularly a misfire has to be so fucking scary.
>>335299439
That isn't an AK, its a VEPR
>>335319058
>is pretty much brain dead
Why?
>>335308732
>encouraging a degenerate society that disregards basic morals and encourages hedonistic destruction of the body and the self
You mean like with cigarettes, alcohol, carbohydrate and high fructose corn syrup? To name a few.
Let the good times roll.
>>335319885
I dunno, they don't know how to play shooters I guess.
>>335319885
>Why?
Most players are csbabbies. I used to play insurgency two years ago and everyone was fucking retarded and still is.
>nobody uses smoke
>nobody uses suppressive fire
>bumrushing rooms without checking corners
and most importantly
>no teamwork
It's basically a regular multiplayer fps but with decent gunplay
>>335320092
>>335320193
This is from my limited experience with the game:
Very hard to do shit when you don't know map layout.
Very hard to do shit when people on the mic yell you to do shit.
First 20+ hours can't understand who shot me - being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Now I just focus on the objective in those three maps that I managed to learn some layout. Fuck the individual score.
>>335299348
>CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A PROBLEM
>CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A PROBLEM
>>335320390
Nigga how hard is it to just play tacticool regardless of map knowledge?
>>335320676
You either camp like pic related, or you go towards your objective. And not knowing map means you can just walk in-to a camping place of a sniper or in a whole lot of hostiles.
There is nothing tacticool sitting in a fucking corner or laying in one and waiting for someone to pop-in the doorway.
>>335310059
Shit man, I remember being blown away by the guns in Killzone 1. Those fucking reload animations. Those fucking grenade throws. Hnnnggg.
>>335302795
Actually a large number of us have firearms. It's Monica Lewinsky's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife's supporters that are like that.
>>335321023
How long does it take for you to learn these tiny-ass maps?
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. has some great gunplay mods
try Zone of Alienation
>>335321405
Me? I need to play that said map around ten times, both sides.
Problem is, most people who play it now have favorites already. So when the voting starts, you tend to play same maps all over again.
Friendly fire is an issue in this game.
>>335308852
What argument have you made?
>>335299348
Bullet Train, it's fun.
>>335321405
>mosin without a scope
my nigga
>>335321683
FF has been disabled on a lot of servers for months now and I can't find out why. No mention of it on the dev notes but the server filter is just gone
>>335319557
It's great if you run mods to negate both those thingsit's among the first things donestuff tends to drop properly now, we even have blood puffs
