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https://twitter.com/Frank_Pearce
>>335257557
nost fags on suicide watch
NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS BUMP
What does that even mean
>>335258839
the petition has 10k + pages to get printed
YOU THINK
YOU DO
>>335258901
seems like grasping at straws at best
>>335258839
Blizz knows blizzdrones will buy WOD 2.0 anyways so they dont give a fuck about legacy servers
>>335257836
>FBI search warrant
what does this MEAN?
>>335259294
>defending current wow
> they are litteraly scared of getting the entire 10k+ pages
holy fuck
>>335259294
>Game constantly receives updates that change or outright remove what players liked about the game
>Wonder why people liked it before those updates
>>335259294
>defending current minecraft
I really don't get why Blizzard doesn't try making their own vanilla server. I can't imagine it would be too taxing for them and if it ended up failing they could just shut it down.
>>335257557
I don't get it. Some guy hopes people use electronic documents instead of printed and that suddenly has something to do with WoW?
>>335259294
>defending current wow and current tf2
How shill can you get
>>335259294
It's the same comic that defended paid mods.
>>335257557
>'don't print it out, that's a waste of paper, send it digitally'
>a bunch of sperglords and egg accounts freak out
Christ, Nostfags are pathetic
BLIZZ HQ on monday
>>335259593
yes because an ex wow dev is sending the petition with 10k + pages so blizzard
>>335257557
Are you autistic?
>>335259294
but minecraft is already shit
>>335259294
>actually defending modern tf2
haha
oh wow
what a shill
Naw, in hearthstone they are doing a mini "event" (actually a sale, i believe) of an hero portrait due to the earth day.
MAYBE it is a small poke, bur the real reason is the earth day.
>>335259821
modern tf2 is alright.
just dont give in to the hats an skins shits. its not hard
>delivery for mr morhaime
>send it back
>ok
>>335259192
I think it means he's a secret FBI agent. Notice how that pic seems, at first glance, to favor the faggot on the left but upon closer inspection you see he's actually playing some kind of Facebook game like Mafia Wars or some shit, and Right Guy is clearly working undercover protecting America. The lore of that image just got deep, friend.
>>335259294
What he wrote.
I'm surprised at people fondly remembering the old days of WoW.
Sure, I enjoyed it but mostly because it was my first MMORPG, but the game has so many glaring flaws it was not funny, with the biggest offender being lack of content.
I guess if you played the game until the cap and imediatly rolled an alt when you reached the it you would have the best experience, because the road to the cap was fun specially if you picked a new starting zone.
But from cap and oward the game was bare, and there were time sinks everywere.
I'm not talking about "fun" time sinks like reputation farming, I'm talking about smelting a single metal bar taking several seconds seconds and flying from one zone to another taking several minutes. Wow probably gave me the bad habit of tabbing while gaming.
There was a novelty of doing it at that time, about literally braving Azeroth and finding shit, but today we have wikis with datamined content and that experience just can't be recreated even if you bring the old servers back.
Still, to people to miss those days... and actually PLAY it...
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
>>335259729
That doesn't have anything to do with the tweet in the OP though?
>We've received a 10,000 page mail but redirected it to the paper recycling plant for #EarthDay2016
hahahah savage
>>335259889
The gameplay itself is still mostly fine but everything around it is awful
To enjoy tf2 these days you damn near need an entire severs worth of friends to play it with
>>335259619
post the comic or you're a pooopoo head
>>335260015
>DELETE THIS
I've never played WoW. Why doesn't Blizzard allow vanilla servers? Surely people are willing to pay them to play vanilla WoW right?
Don't they want to make money?
>>335257836
>Friends with a girl who's a paid Blizzard mod
>Bit of a cunt with serious emotional problems and daddy issues
Not that anyone is surprised.
>>335260054
Definitely a positive stance towards paid mods.
>>335260015
DELETE
>>335259990
he sounds like a tremendous boy molesting fruit prancing lala homo man
>>335260265
Cost of running a server vs returns
I'm guessing internal research told them its not worth it.
Its a fucking business, this is always the only reason.
>>335260265
because they likely continually changed their code since the game has been made, instead of making a repository and keeping different versions saved, so the only version of the game they actually have is the one that's live
U WILL NEED MORE SERVERS, 1 EU 1 NA 1 RUSSIA ETC, THEN 1 SERVER CANT HANDLE 100k PLAYERS, THEY WONT FUCKING DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>335260375
>A generic naked girl in shitty artstyle
Wow its a anthro version of my favorit gaming platform best artist!!!
>>335259294
>>335260375
These comics are terrible.
>>335260550
Shut up stupid frog poster
>>335260428
Didn't that one private servers have tens of thousands of players or something? How much does it cost to run that server?
>>335260459
Can't they use the version the private server was using?
>>335260459
This is the most retarded explanation. No big company (yes blizz was big when WoW originally came out) does that. Not one. They would have to be literally retarded to not have a repository of their old code.
>>335259294
>>335260375
So does this comic literally only shill?
would you rather be dobson or anthony burch
>>335257557
Hey, that sounds like "eat a fucking dick you pieces of shit". What a coincidence.
>>335260375
>half-naked
>she has 0 clothing on
Nigga do you even know what "half" naked is? She's fully naked, just not fully exposed.
>>335260265
They're not idiots, you know that if the petition got say, 300k signatures, less than 1% would actually sub and play, right?
And that's being extremely generous, if they activated a single legacy server, it would have some activity at first because existing subs would want to check it out for nostalgia or curiosity, but it would trickle down to less than 1k players in a matter of weeks.
>>335260687
Well first of all, the amount of players on Nos isn't indicative of actual customers. Nos was a free server, that would be like looking at the download count for whatever game on piratebay and thinking "Look at all those lost sales".
Friendly reminder that Nostalrius only shut down because they started having money problems, tried to pawn off the server bills onto players, but the hosting company would only take payment-in-full so noone was willing to pay it, then spun that into "Blizz shut us down, go beg them for classic servers, it's totally them and not us!" that all these gullible faggots believed.
>>335260759
Seems like it.
>>335260759
yes
>>335259990
>WoW was my first MMORPG
>leveling was the best part
>rep farming was the only endgame I did, hence there was no content
>smelting takes too many seconds
>taxis take too many minutes
hot and valuable opinions for sure
>>335260863
But didn't that vanilla server have dedicated players for years or some shit?
>>335260910
Sad that that's no longer true. The hammer on the Gaben Box has been replaced by a credit card swiper that says "In case of Consoleitis, please pay $6.99 for the PC Master Race Pass" just like their CS:GO and TF2 2-3month long pass events.
>>335260962
>i want to play an RPG but I don't prefer the RPG mechanics they have.
Nobody is pleased. big surprise
>>335257836
>>335258136
Can someone please explain to me why the fuck you people are so defensive and hostile over not having private servers? Do you seriously get mad at shit like this?
>>335260972
Playing a game for free is much easier to do than actually pay money for it. It doesn't matter how fucking long.
I've played tons of games I give 0 shits about because it was free.
I never had the intention of buying it, and I probably never will give those developers money.
>>335259990
As a Nost players myslef, I would say, 90% of the community isnt exactly "nostalgia" driven.
You see, many people actually didnt play the game on release, and nearly no one got gud enough to do the end game content.
So you were 12 years old in and beaten Molten Core in 2005. Great fucking whoop. There is like half the Endgame content you didnt play.
People playing on Legacy servers arent there to relieve their memories, they are there to actually finish the game they never finished 10 years ago.
Most would jump on a TBC server (or migrate if Nost ever did) or drop the game for good after beating Naxx.
>>335260962
>grinding rep is good
>smelting bars takes whole seconds
>and that's bad
>just give me instant teleports.
>>335261193
this is an internet forum. we have discussions. of what topic who cares. having violent rhetoric just gets you laughed at.
>>335261193
because everything has to be an argument
there can never be a middle ground
It's a sad state of affairs when companies actively prevent people from playing the games they want to play.
Very sad indeed.
>>335261354
Yes.
That is a very solid argument that has shed a light on this dark topic.
Thank you for these wise words.
>>335261509
Sad but what are you gonna do other than not buy their games under consumer protest? that's all you can do and that's also pretty sad.
>you think you do, but you don't
What did he mean by this?
YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE
YOU LIKE WHAT I TELL YOU YOU LIKE
>>335261619
I want this meme to end.
>10k pages going in recycle bin
>>335261703
based CEO
>>335259294
>I'm not surprised, people also claim vanilla team fortress was superior
probably because it was
>>335261726
What meme? He's literally telling the players that he knows what's good for them.
>>335261619
That vanilla players are literally mentally retarded for enjoying an old, shit game. Vanilla WoW was fucking garbage, and when backed against the corner all the nostalgiafag has to defend itself with is "MUH COMMUNITY" or "MUH COMMUNITY MUHFUGGA" and will unironically call current WoW shit while simultaneously ignoring how shit Vanilla WoW was.
These dumb pieces of human shit have never even considered that maybe you shouldn't play WoW at all.
you know i signed the petition and doubt it will do anything... but i wish mark kern was not involved. hurts the legitimacy of the whole movement imo and he'll probably try to co opt the whole movement to somehow be about his ridiculous crusade
>>335261823
When somebody claims they are doing something for the greater good of a thing, chances are they don't know shit of what really works and only end up breaking a once beautiful thing.
Just like Chris Poole.
>>335261193
i personally don't care either way if they do it or not, i would never actually play on one. but it would be cool for the people who want it
but some of you seriously overestimate how many people would actually pay for a server like this and even how long the ones who would pay would keep paying
>>335261823
The "what did he mean by this" meme, not the shit he quoted.
I agree with that quote though despite disagreeing with everything else blizzard has done from Argent Tourny onward. These nostalcucks think they want a vanilla server, but they really don't. They want a FREE one.
>>335261871
>they are retarded because they enjoy an old game
>everybody who posts in /vr/ are stupid because they don't play the hottest memes of 2016
the only dumb piece of human shit here is you.
>>335261871
>hey! why are you enjoying "insert old game here"?
>are you fucking retarded?
I don't play WoW, but that's what it sounds like.
>you aren't enjoying yourself
>>335261871
dont cut yourself on that edge
>>335261871
Are you the same guy that throws a fit when people don't move onto a game's sequel on launch day and keep playing the old one?
>>335262207
You know, I'd laugh if they pulled a Final Fantasy 6 iOS on these people.
>WE LIKED FF6! GIVE US A REMAKE!
>Square: LOL OK HERE WE DUMBED IT DOWN BIGTIME FOR MOBILE AND MADE THE GRAPHICS LOOK LIKE SHIT OUT OF A 12YEAR OLD'S RPGMAKER GAME
>FUCK YOU THIS ISNT FF6 THIS IS SHIT
>>335261619
They're more knowledgeable on what consumers want than the consumers themselves. Bold statement for a company that bled half the subscriber base of WoW in one expansion.
>>335262222
>>335260428
Blizzard adds 10 fucking servers every expansion and the majority of servers now are all low of low population. Blizz has more than enough money for 2 fucking legacy servers
>>335262156
>These nostalcucks think they want a vanilla server, but they really don't. They want a FREE one.
then why not just run a vanilla server for six months and find out
shit even charge double for vanilla and see how that works out, sure it won't draw nost numbers but it'll probably still be more active than some normal servers are right now
>>335261198
I can say as someone who's played WoW when BC came out off and on and never really found in engaging or fun, there was something about playing on Nost that was actually enjoyable, not having your hand held and needing a team to get through most encounters was nice.
Nothings probably going to come from this, Blizzard only cares that their sub numbers to stay high, but one can dream.
>>335261818
Owned it since launch and it is quite the different game, all the weapons they added kinda bogged down their already aging engine, but the hat culture that formed from it is rather profitable since dumb people are willing to pay hundreds of dollars for digital hats with particle effects
>>335257557
>201X
>There are still people playing wow
>There are still people supporting/buying blizzshit
when will the cancer fucking end,between sonyggers,blizzfags and bethfags,i honestly can't tell who are the worst,right now leaning towards bethfags
>>335262207
>B-BUT I ENJOY IT
Then it's hypocritical to call current WoW shit and current WoW players retards because hey, they just enjoy it.
The nostalgiafag (nice attempt at trying to pretend you're not invested in this) will often ignore this hypocrisy.
>>335262301
Oh, I forgot "edge". The nostalgiafag will call anyone who points out how stupid their nostalgia is "edgy"
>>335262385
You're not getting it. It's not about Old WoW vs Current WoW. It's about not playing WoW at all because it's not a good game.
>>335257557
>WoW subs dropping
>Knowing that the game you are working on was made by better more passionate devs and you've turned into a hand holding candy crush to fill overbearing stock holders pockets.
> thinking Vanilla WoW was good when it was mediocre and full of standard setting empty cancer mechanics that idiots use as lube to get into gaming
>under the impression Blizzard ever made anything worth playing
>finally realizing nost fags, although better than anyone that slurps at the anus of blizzards current turd, are drinking imported fortified boxed wine instead of transitioning to non-addiction sims
>finding out not caring about anything blizzard or its legacy anymore will only reap health and happiness.
> seeing that a random person on a forum just helped you out
enjoy your freedom
>>335262408
Did people just get bored of WoW? Or was the expansion the actual problem?
>>335262441
If Blizzard made good decisions, we would never have had MoP, WoD, or Legion in the first place.
>>335262535
>It's about not playing WoW at all because it's not a good game.
>stop liking what i don't like
>>335260052
the gameplay is fucked to shit with a hundred gimmick weapons that dumb down the game
>>335262587
MoP was the only half decent expansion.
>>335259591
They have an expac coming out that would compete directly with it.
The game code has changed significantly since vanilla
Everyone that used to work there and cared about the game either left or was fired.
With that being said, they could add something like cavern of time but bigger that emulates vanilla without needing a different client
>>335262545
the latest expansion shrunk a ton of things like towns and shit, generally turning the once massive world into something lite. lackluster games are boring.
>>335262427
did you miss the "vs return" part of the post? because it's not just the cost of physically putting the server up, it's hiring people to maintain and provide customer support, it's getting the support staff to know how to deal with problems that would be unique to whatever expansion you set the server to. i guarantee you all this costs way more than you think it would
>>335262520
>hat culture
this is what killed TF2. Not the hats themselves, the userbase that formed around it
the only way to play anymore unless you want to be absolutely miserable and infested with shitty people on the server is to find the right server and even then the game is a bloated mess nowadays because of the billion updates
Blizzard damage control and shill thread.
>>335262716
>being this big of a panda loving faggot
MoP was shit in every conceivable way. BC was great, Wrath was good but started the casualization, Cata was massively necessary world revamping but continued the casualizing, and mop just cemented it.
>mfw all the nostcucks replying to that tweet
>mountain of "just refunded my Legion :)"
>as if any of them were buying it anyway
>>335262545
Subs spiked back to 10 million at the start of Warlords, so interest was still there. People just realized they were duped, and quit in droves.
>>335262873
Half of them probably don't even know how a refund works, they just let mommy take care of it
>>335262535
No one gets hurt if they would release vanilla servers. If a group of people could do it for free, then there's literally no excuse for blizzard not to at least try assembling a small team of coders to make it happen. People who want vanilla most likely wont even play legion so what's the fucking problem in satisfying a relatively big playerbase when there's almost completely confirmed profit? They are hiring people to refresh their old games such as D2, WC3 etc. but they can't find anyone to setup vanilla for them? Fucking joke
>>335262856
You're objectively wrong. Has nothing to do with pandas, has everything to do with the fact that everything in MoP was perfectly balanced.
>>335262996
There's a mentality that by release Vanilla servers Blizzard would be admitting that their game is worse now than it was, and they can't do that. Have to save face.
>>335262545
WoD just has this obvious air of "the developers don't care anymore", and most people saw that and jumped ship.
>>335261193
>anime avatar
>>335257557
>using electricity for eternity is better for the environment than printing on paper
>>335262996
There's literally no reason for them too, either. They can do what they want with their own game. I honestly hope they keep btfoing nostalgiafaggots just because of how insufferable they are.
>>335262958
Vanilla and BC are the only two with a constant rise before follow up expansions. It seemed the problems just started to show up Cataclysm. Wonder what was the first domino was.
>>335262791
Mhm, I've only played a few times as of recent but I've made quite the killing on paypal and the steam market when it comes to selling the stupid hats and stat-trak weapons they love so much, never spent a dollar in game though past buying it in 2007.
>>335259990
The Everquest fanbase has the same problem.
There is a gigantic nostalgiafag population, wanting nothing more than to sit in kunark and velious forever rather than actually challenge themselves with later expansions or improve their experience with QoL changes.
I much prefer the progression servers that EQ has put out as opposed to the Project 99 "we must have 68% experience penalties on troll SKs because thats how it used to be".
That way i can have a raid window, maps, chat channels and other shit that makes the game actually better while playing through more classic stuff. And then when im sick of classic stuff, we will move on to later, actually better expansions as they unlock.
>>335263225
dungeon finder
>>335261871
This guy is right, though. I played vanilla WoW, and I distinctly remember people complaining about how shit a lot of the things that got changed were. How stupid getting "keyed" for raids was. How expensive mounts were in proportion to how necessary they were. Having to spend tons of time recruiting members for dungeons runs by standing in town spamming LFG. Having to spend 20 minutes flying halfway around the world to get to dungeons. People thought that stuff was shit back then and were constantly complaining to Blizzard and asking them to fix that shit.
Well, Blizzard did. Now, everyone's on about how awesome all that stuff was, and how the community interaction was so great, and the dungeon finder killed all that shit.
The fact is, WoW is watered down, casualized bullshit now, and it was convoluted, overly complicated bullshit back then. It was always shit, it's that that once, it was thick, brown logs full of corn and peanuts, and now it's the green apple splatters.
WoW was never good.
>>335262958
>One expansion managed to have both BC era strong numbers and low end Vanilla numbers within the span of half of a year.
>Blizz immediately closed their shutters and refuse to talk about their subs now.
>WoW's n-not dead, g-guys! NOSTALGIAFAGS BTFO LOLOLOL
>>335259294
>>335260375
>a BR is retarded
Wow guys, and the earth is orbiting sun right? NerfNOW isn't even funny, it's just a br's try at shitty humour.
>>335263025
>perfectly balanced
>because everyone was the same
>everyone had aoes, everyone could do everything, everyone could solo easily, even tanks were doing high dps
Spotted the wrathbabby who only likes to solo and LFR queue
>>335261193
There are tons of private servers and we love them. Nostfags are blowing things out of proportions because their special snowflake server got shut down.
>>335263346
>WoW was never good.
There was a sweet spot. Later Burning Crusade was actually very good, it had enough quality if life elements to make the game enjoyable but was still well before the casualization.
>>335263143
>There's literally no reason for them too, either.
Potential profit.
Wrath of the Lich King was objectively the high point for WoW
>>335263653
I agree.Pre argent tournament.
>>335260759
>if u like games made this decade u are le shill!!
Never change /V/!
>>335262545
The expansion really was that bad. There's almost no endgame content outside of dailies and farming Fun Crystals, and by the time Legion comes out the current raid will have been out for a year. It's not a sudden thing though, they've been driving the game away from what made the initial community love it, and what caused it to grow. They went from recognizing problems with the game and making sure to fix them and improve upon previous fixes, to going overboard and slowly destroying all sense of community. Naturally this lead to its decline.
>>335263653
also the stagnant point. It kept the players but didn't grab much more.
>>335261871
this is the most retarded thing i ever heard.
>i think pokemon is a shit old game so everyone that enjoys it is retarded.
everyone fucking person agrees that vanilla WoW was shitty and the reason we call "muh community" is cause now there its a single player that you pay for MONTHLY.
it's not about the game you retarded piece of shit. it's about the connection you had with the world around you, you depressed intergalactic faggot!!
>>335262703
>having more options dumbs the game down
Modern /V/ everyone!
>>335261871
you sound like a nintendo kid who tries to tell melee players how brawl is the superior game
>>335263225
I forget which came first, but it would be either the dungeon finder or the argent tourney raid.
I can't believe this is still a discussion. it's not going to happen.
you know why? NASDAQ: ATVI.
they have shareholders they need to answer to.
blizzard: "hey guys we're going to spend a shit ton of resources and money getting this spaghetti code from 2005 functional and then spend even more money on new server infrastructure to support it!"
shareholders: what happens if that doesnt work out and people leave after a month of two?
blizzard: oops!
I'm reminded every single day that most people who play video games and frequent places like /v/ have absolutely no fucking idea about how things operate outside their own bedroom.
>>335259294
>missing Team Fortress Classic is bad
>missing Vanilla TF2 is bad
>missing Alpha Minecraft is bad
fuck YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOUUUUUU
>>335263225
>wonder where the first domino was
>>335263576
Yeah, because the handful of a thousand of idiots who will actually sub to vanilla wow will make it worth their while.
You can have WoW be good again with in legion (dont be gay and just pretend it is), OR have vanilla back. What do you chose?
https://twitter.com/Xathian1
>likes every salty reply to OP tweet
>does nothing but suck Mark Kerns dick all day
>2 followers
>>335262545
Its really obvious the current wow devs dont give a shit about the game. It wasn't like they tried with WoD and it ended up being bad, it was blatantly half assed and unfinished
>>335257557
Why don't you faggots just move on with your lives, Jesus. Did you ever think MMO's aren't the same quality fun sociable experiences not because the game and because you are 10 years or more older and have lives and responsibilities, or you don't and are anti-social?
I wouldn't personally pay for a 10 year old game but I might enjoy playing a vanilla server again. I still think they ruined it by actively destroying the world PvP of the early beta and vanilla servers. There's nothing wrong with BG's but not at the expense of proper world PvP
>>335264076
It's profit that doesn't require a lot of investment though.
>>335263346
I don't disagree that the dungeon finder concept was a bad idea. I disagree with how it was implemented. It should have been same server only.
>>335257557
He hopes they used electronic copies because its going straight to the trash
Stop making generalizations and absolute conclusions, I think that in this specific case, pertaining to Blizzard, nostalgiafags are in the right because Blizzard is in the wrong. Any other case and the nostalgiafags should instantly lose.
>>335264230
But that's wrong, because I had fun sociable experiences on Nost, but none on current WoW.
>>335264472
>Stop making generalizations and absolute conclusions
Are there any good MMOs out right now, at all?
>>335263225
>It seemed the problems just started to show up Cataclysm. Wonder what was the first domino was.
cataclysm literally destroyed azeroth and replaced it with revamped zones and an "improved" (read: streamlined, linear, dumbed down) new questing style.
cataclysm also massively redesigned many classes from the ground up
>hunters go from using mana as a resource to using focus instead
>paladins get new holy power mechanic
>soul shards are no longer items
>all healing specs reworked to fit into blizzards new healing philosophy
>vengeance mechanic added for tanks
>threat completely trivialized
TBC and WotLK were mostly just expansions - they expanded upon the core game and added more things to it. although the endgame philosophy of wrath differed radically from tbc and vanilla, the core game was still the same.
cataclysm, in contrast to earlier expansions, was more of a remake than an expansion.
Earth day was a socialist invention intended to make average people feel guilty about their normal everyday lifestyles.
Self-guilt is the first step towards accepting modern socialist ideology.
This has not changed over the years.
>>335264265
It would require quite a bit of investment. Making and maintaining the servers isn't going to be as easy as flipping a switch. It's going to take a good amount of work, and it's just plain not worth it for the handful of people that will pay for it.
>>335257557
HOLY FUCK NOSTRAFAGS PUT ON BLAST
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>>335263904
>Modern /V/
>/V/
le XD
>>335259889
i miss the days right after the engie update, shit was perfect, no hats in sight
>>335264682
If they have the old code still it would be incredibly simple. We know they have the extra server space since subs are way down from their peak.
So yeah, it might be as easy as flipping a switch.
>>335264664
To be fair, Azeroth content did need an overhaul. But the main problem was that there wasn't quite enough xp, and that there was a lot of walking. This could have been solved by adding a few more flight paths and bumping up experience gains on some of the lv 50+ quests. What they did instead was just awful.
>>335259294
>Vanilla TF2 wasn't better
I'm going to hunt this nigger DOWN.
>>335264850
You don't know how these things work do you. They would have to set everything up and maintain them completely separate from current servers.
So no. There is no magic "give vanilla servers" switch in the depths of Blizzard.
>>335261871
To be honest, it was the community that made Nost great. Sure, it didn't have the epitome WoW gameplay but it sure had a better community compared to retail which has none and no better gameplay.
>>335265034
Obviously it's not a magic switch but if they have the code and servers already it's not nearly as hard as you're making it out to be.
>>335260428
It's likely not due to server costs, I remember there used to be a famous report that server costs were only 1% of the budget. Still, you're probably right in that they don't anticipate enough profit to actually give a shit
>>335257557
>first response is passive aggressive
wooow
>>335265034
you seem to underestimate that it takes one fucking nerd on staff to do this.
>>335264025
They already have the old code backed up in their archives. You don't need to make things up to seem cool.
>>335261486
Yes there can
>>335265034
>They would have to set everything up and maintain them completely separate from current servers
nigger blizzard has been doing hosting for online games for over 20 years now. do you seriously think running a game they already ran 10 years ago is some sort of huge effort for them?
when a bunch of hobbyists manage to do it with shitty reverse-engineered software and commercial hosting providers, you can be damn sure that it would be a trivial task for blizzard.
>>335265000
Cata really did 5-mans well for the most part. CC required, nasty gear and DPS requirements, tanking and healing were complex and demanding. Most fun I ever had with WoW.
Once the ZG/ZA 5mans were tamed, I quit. The game just didn't have any more tricky content.
Cata was not a perfect expansion, but I enjoyed the first few months more than I did WotLK post-Ulduar.
>>335265132
Hint: they don't have the "old servers". That what happens when you upgrade the servers every patch.
Even if they still have the code for old Vanilla stuff they would have to reimplement it. And that would requie lots of work.
>>335265229
>one person
>setting up and maintaining a game server
nostfags are this retarded
>>335265478
it took private servers years to reverse engineer it. That is work. Work that if Blizzard implements vanilla servers would need to be paid for.
Ultima Online's survived for nearly 20 years because Electronic Arts allows private servers, some of which are so heavily modified they don't play at all like UO anymore.
If EA Games, the most jewish and evil of all the large publishing giants, understands it's a good idea to sell the base game but allow people to join less populated, not officially patched, private servers than what does that say about Blizzard?
People have already paid for their copy of WoW. Many have paid for it three times over. Some people played WoW for six, seven, eight years at $15 a month and want to play on a private server. Blizzard was making, on average, 1.5 billion dollars a year from WoW subscriptions alone between 2005-2010. They can stop fucking whining.
>>335265417
first off, they don't have that. secondly, search up anything regarding vanilla code and you'll realize what a nightmare that is. they can't change things like the standard backpack size.
>>335265517
the initial endgame experience that cataclysm delivered was phenomenal.
BWD and BOT where extremely good raids, the 5man dungeons and heroics were among the best they ever made, the tuning and balancing was on point for everything.
but then they made two huge mistakes.
first, they gave in to whining wrathbabies and nerfed the 5mans into the ground.
second, they just started slacking on patch development. firelands was good but way too small to be its own entire raid tier, and dragon soul was outright garbage.
>>335257557
I made a thread linking this on the official WoW forums and it was literally instantly deleted. It was up for maybe 2 minutes with no responses.
Maximum damage control
If I can buy a $3000 server station right now and host my own private server of WoW, why can't the creators?
>>335265671
Physical servers retard. They have the hardware, they have the software. It's 95% done already.
>>335259990
>But from cap and oward the game was bare, and there were time sinks everywere.
Yes, because the end of the game is the end of the fucking game. The game is the part between the beginning and the end, not the shit after the end.
>>335265671
>it took private servers years to reverse engineer it. That is work. Work that if Blizzard implements vanilla servers would need to be paid for.
no. that is work blizzard does not have to do at all because they have the fucking original software. they don't need to build emulators for their own game server software, they have the fucking game server software itself!
>>335257557
YOU
>>335265671
you put that nerd in charge of a team.
you can't just have ... AN IDIOT run a company now. but ya know, this is Actizzard. whatever the fuck will they get somebody that can do the job without fucking it up.also don't play nost, or wow. i'm waiting for a different thread so i'm here in yours, being neutral as fuck.
>>335265229
You seem to underestimate that if blizzard release legacy servers, people want different things, for AQ to be closed, or open, naxx to be released or not, a certain patch only, fix to some bugs that were present in vanilla.
You can't please anyone with vanilla servers
>>335265857
Because you're a retard, simple really, you don't see the problems with having a private server
>>335265896
You can always just add the other expansions overtime as the company gets comfortable with the idea of hosting older versions of the game.
Ease in with Vanilla, as fans will start asking for more, add in new servers for the BC without removing vanilla. you can't build rome in a day. or bring back player trust in one as well. not gonna be an easy one off answer for this.
>>335266226
OH YEAH, HERE IT COMES, IT'S JUST ONE GUY WHO NEEDS TO DO THIS RIGHT?
And then new players are gonna complain that they missed "x" patch or the opening of AQ, just stop, please.
F2P soon
>>335260863
Old School Runescape proves you're full of shit and have no idea what you're talking about.
>>335266385
People will complain.
being a passive aggressive whinebaby isn't gonna solve problems.
frankly Blizzard has too many of them now too get any actual work done.
>>335266001
Servers don't need maintenance, servers were built to fail so that companies had to hire tech junkies as server maintenance to increase the number of jobs. You can build a maintenance free server.
>>335266520
>OSRS
>Updates the game with original content
Yeh, that isnt vanilla you schmo
The main issue is that vanilla servers would turn niche as fuck as the game starts to stagnate after a few years. Enjoy running Naxx 40 for the next ten years.
>>335266613
>ooops, maybe there is too much work to Try and please some people who weren't really willing to pay to play vanilla anyway
>>335266720
that's true for practically everything. Time decreases enjoyment.
>>335266697
It's the same concept, and it was doing amazingly when the only "original content" was QoL stuff, and has inarguably gotten worse since they started adding new shit.
And it's still about half as popular as the current version of the game.
>>335265761
If a multi billion dollar software company releases detailed patch notes and client notes for everything that they did, you wouldn't believe they saved the code as well?
I could see implementing the old code into a server being challenging, but saying that they don't have access to the old code itself is ridiculous.
Just delete everything from Wrath onward and start again with 2.4.3. Make a new WoW.
>>335266720
nah dude thats why they progress into tbc, and then wotlk, cata, mop, wod
:))
YOU THINK YOU DO
>>335266880
Fuck Wrath
>>335267006
That's what I said.
>>335266941
>>335266941
BUT YOU DON'T
>>335266854
Runescape doesnt even have 100k players online at the moment
The game is a sinking ship, if you honestly believe 5 million+ people will come back to play legacy you are delusional
>>335259650
Sauce me
>>335266831
your implications arrows don't work when you think i give a shit about wow.
you ever heard of too many cooks? well too many fucking blizzard employees spoil the game. Smaller fucking Blizzard knew what they were doing but then they merged and soon their titanic grip of player interest gone wry.
When I mean one nerd, i mean a small team of people. the current team on blizzard do not house player interest, but stock holders and quarterlys now. too many cucks.
>>335267149
If you honestly think that 10 million people are playing current WoW, you're more delusional than you think I am.
>>335266871
it's not, it happens all the time. Remember digg.com ? they did a total layout change, turned out to be shit but they couldn't get the old one back because it was gone. Wow vanilla was a mess of a code they have been working to improve ever since. Blizzard still does contract work with old programmers because they can't change certain parts of the code and it has to be worked around (like again, the backpack size of your standard backpack, the bunny triggers and so many other "small" things).
Make WoW 2.
Abandon WoW after legion and make a sequel from the ground up.
>>335266880
I do agree with the new WoW but not going to BC. WoW 2 needs a new engine, new/more factions since the two faction system is awful now, the ability to chose your own faction and be aligned with your friends (ex. Tauren and Night Elves are allies) and no hero classes, DK and DH start at level 1.
>>335267229
Where did I imply there was 10 million players?
I just took their last number of 5 to what it was at legion (10) and applied to the same as runescape, 50/50
>>335267229
>WoW 2
>made by Activision-Blizzard
do you really want a Everquest 2 clone?
>>335267369
Wow is basically WoW 2 at this point.
>>335264230
t. someone that posts get a life over and over in every thread not comprehending the irony
>>335257557
What does he even mean by this? Explain it to me like I'm 12 and what is this
>>335267381
>half as many people playing OSRS
>if you think 5 million people would play legacy servers
Not my fault you're retarded and make shit metaphors.
Besides, why the fuck do 5 million people need to play it for it to be successful? They already have the game made, just throw it up and see how well it goes. What is the absolute worst that can happen? They make TOO much money?
>>335267359
>the backpack size of your standard backpack,
You can't be honestly be retarded enough to think they can't change these things, the parts they can't touch are others not these.
post your refunds boys
Never ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjqKmH9Qa1Q
>>335260870
That's what Valve did, and look at how successful they've been.
Shutting down a private free server to stop people playing a game that they don't even provide paying players with.
Is there anything more petty or pathetic or cuntish that that?
>>335267618
Those things are so heavily built into the foundations of the game that if they changed them they would have to change everything above them. They CAN change it but it would effectively be remaking the game entirely.
>>335267784
No.
>>335267440
>>335267443
There are a lot of missteps in the current WoW that they can't undo without tearing apart the fabric of the game.
If they rebirth the game, then that could give them the breathing room to leave out the casualization and stir up the spirit of the original.
>>335260759
Nerf Now is mostly Valve shilling with the occasional Blizzard defense.
>>335261871
MMORPGs are garbage.
>>335257557
I have no idea what he is talking about
>>335267618
spoken by someone that has never worked with code for a day in his life. comes as no surprise that you're the kind of person that will post something along the lines of "come on blizzard just get the vanilla servers back up for us :)"
>>335267742
How autistic can you get? Autist!
>>335264063
i had same story with lol when chinese overlords bought riot. i got mad because it's happened again.
game went downhill extremly fast in terms of heroes and pricing and year later it felt like shit. i got lucky to have dota 2 alpha invitation.
>>335261617
play pirate servers?
>>335268092
How is that autism?
I'm done.
They don't give a shit about their fanbase anymore.
It's over.
>>335268060
But they have the code. Where do you think nost got it and even if they don't have it they can just take it from nost.
>>335267742
>play on a pirated server
>hating the official servers
>asking for refunds for products
you are literally NOT the people who blizzard wants anymore
Just wait until the movie is released and it is turned into a casual mobile tablet game.
Your garrison saved info will be transferable over to your iPhone WoW game goyim.
>>335267742
Will they actually honor it, since it came with that "free" character boost and such?
>>335268168
you can rebel i suppose. go for it.
>>335268296
That movie looks like it's going to be an embarrassment to Blizzard.
>>335268282
>they don't want people who play their game to play and buy their game anymore
Okay
>>335268298
Yes
>>335268371
it's going to be a hit with the normies and that is the current WoW audience now.
>>335268224
>even if they don't have it they can just take it from nost.
hehehe. you should be the official spokesperson of the group that want the vanilla servers back. you and mark kern would make a really nice duo
>>335268296
I can smell the green screen.
>>335268298
as long as he didn't buy legion as part of an upgrade bundle with an expansion he can refund at any time
Blizzard will refund any pre-purchased item as long as its not released yet. If you only bought legion, even if you used the 100 boost they'll refund and your boosted character will say its "locked" until you buy legion again.
>>335268060
A group of some fucking French kids are capable of producing vanilla servers but mighty Blizzard cannot.
Yeah friend, that makes sense, if only everyone knew how hard-core and unknowable code truly was, like yourself.
>>335263653
If Asia weren't behind the west on patches/expansions at that point, there would have been a dip from the ICC drought. Instead it stagnated.
>>335268532
this. there is no way wc movie can flop.
>>335268685
They can but they know there's no fucking money in it.
>>335268532
Does WoW have a current audience? They don't report their subscriber numbers anymore. It's probably shot down to lows never seen.
>>335268485
>>335268636
Oh nice, I'll go request it now then. I've been regretting my preorder more and more with every bit of info that comes out.
>>335268397
We want the mobile tablet iPhone cash shop movie casual market and also the expanding Chinese 1 billion customers market.
*Rubs hands together greedily*
They are a mega corporation.
The corporate detachment from pleasure and enjoyment from video games is wider then the detachment from Bill Gates to a homeless poor person.
>We want the TF2 hat market
You DID buy your crate keys to unlock RNG hats didn't you goy?
>>335258901
What the fuck kind of autistic faggot would print out an online petition?
>>335267742
I tweeted that shit as well
https://twitter.com/yourimoutochan/status/723940131846025216
Should I add @Blizzard or something so maybe they will see it? I dunno if they pay attention to the youthinkyoudobutyoudont hashtag
BTFO
T
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>>335268750
>We thought we did, and we did
>>335268751
Hundreds of thousands of people still play retail at least. Their last reported number was at 5.4 million, it couldn't have dropped lower than 2 million by now.
>>335268751
I bought + subbed to WoD in December and all but like 10 servers were on low pop. I know they also did a lot of semi-server merging. I wouldn't be surprised if they were down to 3 million or fewer subs globally now.
>>335257557
Theyre fucking dickheads.
If theyre not gonna make legacy servers of their own, why wouldnt they allow their fans to make them?
>>335268902
You've got to understand that you're dealing with actiblizz. If it doesn't print money, they don't want to touch it.
>>335268685
you know nothing about coding. be silent.
>>335268990
>Wow, just fuck having like copyright laws'n'shiet!
kids should just go to bed.
>>335268685
a group of french kids made a emulated version of WoW's server core, which is in no way close to blizzlike no matter now much those shills want you to believe.
>>335268870
pls be in london
there are other private servers that arent nost retards
next time dont let some twitch celeb shill your server so much to the point of shut down
>>335268786
the least you can do is just ask for a refund because you dont want it anymore
dont make a mexican GM cringe his dick off at his desk reading your nostalga tirade that nobody else will see
signed: a gm
Hi guiz I just came back from watching the Warcraft movie and I want to buy the Warcraft video game to play it!
Where do they sell a PS4 XBOX one game disc copy of the game to put into my video game system?
>>335268750
There is money in it though.
All they would have had to do at the very least is give the Nostalrius developers a pass in exchange for running a fee, it's not fucking rocket science.
>>335269203
I never played on Nost but the problem with most private servers is that theyre bugged to hell. Bad pathing, charging through the ground, clipping through the ground in caves, a lot of the times the raids arent scripted right.
>>335269349
nost was the same
>>335264230
Nope having a blast playing legit legacy EQ and would really like to be able to do the same in WoW.
Sadly I think I do but I dont...
>>335269326
Still wouldn't print money, so not happening.
>>335269295
Yeah, I just wrote up a two sentence request.
>>335269395
Was it? What the hell are people whining about then?
retail WoW is still alive and well guys
>>335269442
Babby's first private server, as far as I can tell
The Warcraft movie was AWESOME!
TEAM HORDE! TEAM THRALL!
ROAR!
FOR THE HOARDES!
I was told to come to this Video Games discussion website to learn where to buy the PS4 Warcraft video game.
>>335269442
it was just one of the biggest private server populations ever. it was pretty crazy but there are other private servers to hop to.
>>335269515
also this
>>335259406
>that photo
>>335269295
Sorry, it was moreso for me so I could take a screenshot and post it. Like I said here: >>335268870
Sorry to the GM who has to deal with it, I'm just pretty mad and I've been a long time huge fan of the game.
>>335269052
>>335269141
I don't have to know anything about coding at all, I can just use my fucking eye balls to see how well Nostalrius ran and how close it was to the original.
Go ahead and spew on about the intricacies of code, the proof was in the fucking pudding.
You know, blizzard might've recognized the petition, but nostalrius admins are a bunch of attention whores
>However, the french provider hosting our server recently received a formal letter written by french and US lawyers asking to shutdown our services because of Copyright Infringement prior to a lawsuit.
>We never saw our community as a threat for Blizzard.
>Do you think that a policy change can be made regarding legacy servers based on volunteers work, for very old no longer supported game expansion?
>Or do you think that legacy servers are doomed by definition since, in the end, it's hurting Blizzard trademark & communication more than anything else?
No where in the petition do the Nostalrius devs apologize for stealing the IP and profiting off of it
HI THERE WOULD YOU PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION?
>>335269395
yeah nost was pretty shitty scripted wise
npcs walking through the ground, quests especially in Silithus were buggy and couldn't be completed, draw distance was god awful compared to retail because their server couldn't handle the load, and so on.
>>335269515
>>335269592
Ah. The real tragedy in servers that got shut down is the 24/7 AV server from years ago. I think it literally had nothing but AV going on, and there were gear vendors and shit inside the bg. It was great.
>>335269632
>No where in the petition do the Nostalrius devs apologize for stealing the IP and profiting off of it
This. I love how no one is mentioning the gold selling and the cooperation with chinaman gold farmers.
>>335268961
They also count chinks who played 1 minute during the last month as "subscribers".
>>335269632
They didn't profit off of it though
>>335269619
>I know nothing about <x> but I will still give my opinion on it! :)
sounds like the average petition signer.
Which system are yall going to buy the new Warcraft movie game on?
PS4 or XBOX One?
>>335261198
This is truth.
Vanilla WoW had some funky pacing in regards to content. Some of it will never be done again due to technical problems (The AQ40 event, for example). But there was other strangeness that occurred that was never really addressed.
They introduced Naxxramas at a time when most players had barely completed Molten Core, and when only a small percentage of players had cleared all of Blackwing Lair. And then by the time only an even smaller percentage of players had gotten around to clearing Naxxramas, the entire thing went *poof*. When it came back it was nothing more than a shadow of its former self. And the Blackwing Lair raid was underutilized because by the time most players got around to doing it on a regular basis, the expansion had come out and green level 67 items were better than epic level 60 items.
They also had a lot of underused zones that could've been filled before they moved on to The Burning Crusade. I think it would've been good if Blizzard had done something to fill in the Northern half of Silithus, Feralas, Desolace, Azshara, Thousand Needles, etc. before they released the first expansion.
>>335259990
> I'm talking about smelting a single metal bar taking several seconds seconds and flying from one zone to another taking several minutes
PURGE
I'm so happy I can adjust CK2 to the edition before Conclave and all of its stupidity. Almost made me quit.
>>335257836
This pic is far too self aware to be a defense to either side, I like it.
>>335260265
But they do make money, by tricking 10 million people into buying shitty expansions for 50$.
Why would they want to do anything that would stop people from buying their shitty garrison expansions?
>niggers ITT seriously supporting blizz in this question
oh wow
>>335263225
It's a mystery.
>>335269794
thats some tangled shit tier marketing
>>335269772
Actually they fucking did, you fucking retard. Stop believing what the anti-capitalist, SJW gaming "journalism" websites tell you about this story and look at the actual evidence, you dumb fuck.
>>335268317
Sounds good. Literally no downside for me.
Does it even matter anymore? Everyone just moved to Kronos
>>335269783
>Go ahead and spew on about the intricacies of code
Glad you took me up on my offer instead of addressing the bulk of my argument.
Nostalrius was pretty buggy but none the less was Blizz-like for the intensive purpose. Who gives a flying fuck if worthless faggots like you get triggered by minute differences in code.
>>335270021
There's an entire forum full of people like them
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/984270/
It's absolutely disgusting
>>335270021
>/v/ is corporate cocksuckers: the board
This is not new
>>335270105
Post evidence then
>>335257557
Didn't this same thing happen to Runescape and they made an old school runescape? How did that turn out? Does anyone here play it?
>>335259294
>something is newer so it must be better
Stay consumer, capitalist pig.
>>335268296
>Just wait until the movie is released and it is turned into a casual mobile tablet game.
I'm surprised garrisons aren't a part of a game you can access from your mobile
>>335270105
>if you aren't pro-corporations you are an SJW
Why am I not surprised
>>335270297
They literally asked for donations on their website, it was kind of hidden, but still there
Then they set up donations for people to give money directly to the provider
>>335267132
Wow, that's pretty accurate. Except I'm not bald.
>>335263779
>implying icecrown citadel wasn't one of the best raids ever made.
I laugh at everyone who thinks Nostalrius was anything close to the vanilla experience.
You guys started on patch 1.12, everyone had access to fully updated addons and scripts to help them play the game, easy access with a quick google search to 10+ years of well documented guides for everything from how to level efficiently, what specs were good/bad, what was BiS for every level, etc. not to mention that the server had its share of bugs and game design problems that were definitely not blizzlike like the poor draw distance, npc patrol scripts not working as intended (enemies clipping through the ground or sometimes walking through the air if you abuse LoS), and realm was way overcrowded for one server and had every fucking region playing on there (US/EU/BR/Chinks/etc).
You guys didn't actually experienced Vanilla, you just played a shoddy emulation of it.
>>335270235
So are you a socialist or something? We shouldn't support the rights of a business to protect their intellectual property? Because that is what is happening, and if you don't support that, then you aren't respecting our capitalist system. Feeling Le Bern, eh?
>>335268990
because wow is a drug, nostalgia fags on private servers will cave in and play on official if they don't have their fix
>>335270520
You didn't post any proof or evidence. You told me to look for evidence because apparently you have some, so where is it?
>could play WoW on a private server
>could play XI on a private server
Why would you ever choose WoW?
>>335270163
Obviously it does still matter.
it's an mmorpg not your favourite ASSFAGGOT so time spent in game equates to progress.
If the server you're on isn't reliable then why bother at all?
>>335259294
TFC WAS THE FUCKING BEST.
Fucking hell, is this what being triggered feels like, because I don't fucking like it.
>>335269316
>Human on the Horde side
>Garona not even green
>>335270605
>So are you a socialist or something?
Yes.
> We shouldn't support the rights of a business to protect their intellectual property?
The way it currently is? No.
>then you aren't respecting our capitalist system.
I don't. It's a mess and trash
>>335264091
I would love for Legion to make the game good. If by making it good it can go back and retro improve a few things the previous Xpacs did that did not turn out so hot.
Don't get e wrong, I enjoy vanilla but as many people pointed out, it's a finite amount of old content. Atleast if legion was good and kept getting good content that would be something new.
>>335270597
The little time I spent with original vanilla was at like 10 fps because my PC sucked.
Nostalrius was a polished experience in comparison. Not everyone has your original experience of vanilla or is looking to a private server to provide that, you're just presumptuously dick waving.
>>335259294
Man fuck this guy, always knew he was a faggot.
He completely failed to give the topic any thought whatsoever before making this.
>>335270707
Why does it matter?
>>335270207
I'll just have a look in here an-
>Blizzcon tickets on sale on 3rd party sites - will Blizzard do anything about it?
>Do you exercise?
>Appear offline workaround - anyone got one?
>>Thankyou for the shared tapping in Legion!
>Stop the attacks on quest hubs! - There is no excuse for you to allow opposite factions to attack quest givers at quest hubs.
>Night Elf paladins
>Flying in Legion when exactly?
>Don't blame Garrisons for inflation
>Who is the biggest guy in the WoW universe?
OH GOD
>>335270520
non-profit organizations take donations
>Nostcucks' face when vanilla servers NEVER EVER
>>335270915
Because plenty of people want a reliable experience and are even willing to pay for it.
Does your minder know that you're on the computer?
>>335270605
>then you aren't respecting our capitalist system
Insha'Allah my brother
BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT CAPITALISM
>>335270915
Why does anything in a game matter? It improved the suspension of disbelief, that your progress was something that could be returned to and enjoyed indefinitely.
>>335271017
they dont steal other peoples content now, do they?
>>335260265
Blizzard doesn't do -ANYTHING- for the community unless it involves them making a truckload of money decided by their investors in return.
>>335259990
>with the biggest offender being lack of content
-A 5 man progression path
-Craftables that were worth something
-A course of progression that wasn't destroyed with every patch that came out so that shittards can faceroll their way through LFR
-MC, ZG, AQ20, AQ40, BWL, Onixiya, Naxx , something that so few people actually managed to get through.
Compare that to today.
-Log in
-Play facebook games
-Do the one raid that actually counts because welfare gear is fucking everywhere
-Play more facebook games
How ever could we like the old WoW?
>Hey guys tons of Real Money Trading services is happening on our server, what should we do?
>Let's refuse to acknowledge the complaints on our forums and let them keep doing what they are doing
Few months later
>WHY IS BLIZZARD SHUTTING US DOWN !!! ;_;
>>335269595
It's a video ,her hair kept covering up his desk so he cut it off kek
>>335259990
>But from cap and oward the game was bare, and there were time sinks everywere.
1. He's wrong.
2.DID THIS MOTHERFUCKER NOT PLAY THE LAST WOW EXPANSION? DOES HE EVEN KNOW WHAT HE'S SHILLING?
>>335270969
That's really interesting. Maybe blizzard didn't actually do anything until they started accepting donations? You think they'd just come out and say that though.
>>335271408
Nah, Nost would never say that, they have to appear to be the good guy always
>>335271024
They decide not to kill themselves and live the rest of their days in peace?
>>335271509
I meant that blizzard would just say they did it because nost was taking donations.
>>335270530
lol, I got a job without even applying for it. Whats your excuse?
>>335271039
ty
I posted it around some WoW related sites hoping if Blizzard cucks saw I'm a grill they wouldn't fanboy rage so hard at me, it has seemed to work
I guess Blizzard white knighting doesn't trump women white knighting for them lol
>>335271258
5 star post.
Nostalrius grew to be so popular for more reasons than simply just re-living nostalgia.
>>335271591
>blizzard giving any kind of recognition to an illegal server officially
>>335271074
What is your argument again?
>>335271675
Do you know how to communicate without green text?
>>335263087
But it is """OBJECTIVELY"" worse
Just look at the fucking sub numbers. There's nothing to admit.
>>335271668
Nostalrius grew popular because it was so easy for chinks to make money from people on there by selling them gold or powerleveling.
>>335270170
>who cares about code you fag, just turn on the servers :)
So, are there any other good Private servers? I missed out on Nost and would really like to play again
>>335271724
What was yours?
>>335271863
Not even gonna tell you which one I'm playing on now. It's WotLK and has a decent pop, but that last thing we need is nost cucks shitting it up and coming here en masse.
>>335262958
So what are you estimates on what the sub count is right now?
-2 million chinese subs
-250,000 bots
-750,000 lost subs since then
probably sitting at around 2mil~
>>335271860
>epic condescending face
yeah you must be so right about how impossible it is to accomplish.
What was Nostalrius?
>>335271994
That bitching for vanilla servers and Nost dying is silly because other servers exist.
The biggest problem was hosting Nost in an area that kowtows to the US' pro-corporation shit
>>335259990
>play nost
>have played vanilla wow
>put in 110 days worth of played time over the year it was live
>enjoy every moment of it, leveling grind and pvp grind to rank 14 included
"nostalgia"
>>335271863
Do your own research.
The reason why nost was shut down in the first place was because no one could shut the fuck up about nost.
Think of it as fightclub.
Or reddit vs 4chan - before 4chan became more or less mainstream.
>>335271852
It was big before the Chinese invasion
>>335272184
You didn't really enjoy it.
You only think you enjoyed it.
>>335272197
Fine, to /psg/ I go then.
>>335270969
Not a Nostalrius faggot, but if 100% of the money goes into maintaining the game, that is the definition of a "non-profit"
Nostalrius players are angry because they have to pay for video games now.
They are hypocritical because they say "wow how can you call my game shit I'm just having fun" while simultaneously taking every moment to shit on new WoW.
Blizzard will not make legacy servers because:
a) Private servers constitute less than 2% of the playerbase
b)Nost players are very likely not to play it because they played Nost for the sub-free aspect
c)The costs of creating nationally dedicated servers would outweigh the sub revenue of the 20k people or so who would switch from private to legacy servers
The existence of EVE, PH Everquest, and Runescape proves that every chance to satiate nostalgiafags has resulted in company losses.
Grow up.
>>335260375
It amazes me this guy has been doing this for like 9 years and has only gotten worse
>>335259990
these people always opt for the cop out "nostalgia is a hell of a drug" argument when trying to explain why people like vanilla
like it operates under the assumption that none of the people who played on nost were actually, you know, playing nost
nostalgia doesnt keep you fucking playing a game for an entire year. this faggot is more delusional than the people he thinks he is describing
>>335272312
nostcucks can only reply in memes, not surprised
>>335269450
>My sides
>>335272361
>hosting a private server is still not allowed
>>335272181
>That bitching for vanilla servers and Nost dying is silly because other servers exist.
The "other servers" are shit and loaded with gimmicks in comparison and even if they weren't, who knows how long before the imperial overlords shut it down.
Can't have that uncertainty when spending that much time on a game. It's not too hard to comprehend, Friend.
>>335272129
>come on don't tell me about code, resources, money and work just give me what I want :)
>sign this online petition guys blizz must answer if we get enough :)
>>335272453
>moving the goalposts like a fucking retard
I never said it was, but your original claim was that they made a profit off of it. Accepting donations is not proof of a profit; it is proof of revenue and that is not the same thing.
>>335272497
>who knows how long before the imperial overlords shut it down.
Isn't Kronos in Europe?
Find a server in nordic countries or China.
>>335272364
Are you kidding me? Private servers account for more than 60% of the players fucking retarded nigger faggot.
>>335272669
kronos is a garbage funserver with terrible scripting
there is a reason everyone flocked to nost when it released and stayed there
>>335272686
>MORE THAN 60% OF THE PLAYERBASE
THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON NOSTALGIA
>>335269450
>>335272423
B-But that's false! The population didn't drop, it was our based blizzard overlords that increased the capacity of all servers!
>>335272805
Again, why doesn't someone in Europe just take it up?
It's literally what happened when Hasbro C&D'd Cockatrice. They just moved to like Denmark or something and 4 years later they're still there
>>335269450
>the largest pvp servers ever are now medium pop
my fucking sides
>>335271302
doomed if they did or didn't scenario.
>>335272423
>EVEN MOONGUARD IS DEAD
IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?
>>335267132
The one that says "Mystical dragonfarts 40/1000" on the second screen is better
>>335272505
>no argument just memes
step it up kidddoh
>>335272971
>Nostalrius is now non pop
my fucking sides
>>335272914
I have no idea why the Nost devs decided not to just switch hosts to Finland or Russia. Maybe they were spooked or felt as though it wasn't ethical or some shit. Who knows.
>>335272686
>Source: My Ass
>>335273080
Because they didn't have enough money. In all likelihood if they'd taken Blizzard up on their challenge they could have gotten the C&D overturned in a French Court, the issue is they simply didn't have the money. EA forced Origin into selling them Everquest with the exact same tactics for what it's worth. They issued them repeated, basled C&D notices which Origin had no choice but to contest in court. EA could afford to throw money at lawyers, Origin could not. Eventually Origin had no choice but to capitulate or file for Bankruptcy.
>>335273080
blizzard and the feds already have dirt on them and don't want to live looking over their shoulders for the rest of their lives.
>>335273080
I'd wager that the scrape with Blizzard left them spooked rotten.
Who knows what devious shit Acti-blizz is capable of.
>>335257557
So what's wrong with that? He's just asking if it's printed with earth friendly paper?
>>335273324
>In all likelihood if they'd taken Blizzard up on their challenge they could have gotten the C&D overturned in a French Court
On what fucking grounds? What they were doing was illegal
>>335273405
>On what fucking grounds? What they were doing was illegal
No it wasn't. the Server Backend used for Nost was entirely original, therefore not violating any copyright. The client itself is sold by Blizzard, and they had purchased copies of it legally, therefore it was not illegal for them to host the server, as that's fair use. It would be illegal to access the server if you had not purchased WoW, but not to run it, unless they claimed to own it.
>>335273324
how is this not an illegal practice
its essentially judicial and economic bullying
and people say corporations dont rule the planet, god damn
>>335273563
Not him, but the donation system alone would have been grounds for Blizzard to win. There was never any concrete proof donations went back into server costs (even though they did), so Blizz could run them on the grounds of possibly making money off of secondary content. The same thing happened with EVE and the "proto-servers", so there's even legal precedent for it.
Ghostcrawler responds:
https://ask.fm/RiotGhostcrawler/answers/137935832459
>>335273842
>Not him, but the donation system alone would have been grounds for Blizzard to win.
No it wouldn't because the Nost devs literally could not touch the money. They were not donations by legal definition, they gave players a link to pay the ISP DIRECTLY to fund the servers. The money never even passed through the Nost devs hands. It was literally crowdfunding.
>>335273563
You have no idea what fair use is. And regardless of whether or not it is would be considered such, Blizzard can easily make the claim that it is infringing their ability to profit off their own work. Even barring all of that, it is still trademark infringement.
By the way, in most western legal systems other than the US, the loser of a legal dispute pays the attorney fees for both parties. So if they were truly in the right, disputing the matter would not be a large concern.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st7xNt-bvF4
hot off the presses
>>335273995
There was a period of time where they collected donations themselves. You have no idea what you are talking about
>>335273563
>fair use
Nost confirmed for satire
>>335273995
Not him, but Blizzard sent a letter to the ISP directly, not Nost devs. The ISP were profiting off the server donations, yeah? That would definitely be grounds for them to sue.
Which is why they should have just moved to Finland or Russia or something.
>>335274209
[citation needed]
>>335268870
Fuck off Myndraine you psychotic bitch.
>>335274048
>if something fair use is infringing on your ability to make profits, you have grounds to sue them
thanks america thanks TPP
>>335274048
>Blizzard can easily make the claim that it is infringing their ability to profit off their own work
No they couldn't, because they have stated numerous times in public forums to the contrary.
>Muh Earth
Print it on hemp instead for 1000% smug response
>>335274315
who r u
>>335274228
You expect some kids who make no real money of their own to root up their lives and move their non-profit server to a different country?
How are they gonna fund that transition? with their good looks?
>>335257557
>tfw you didn't fall for the nostalrius meme
>tfw you didn't fall for the WoD or Legion meme
>>335274495
>you have to physically move to have a foreign ISP host your server
>>335273849
That's not a response.
>>335274625
yeah, on the bus with the keyboard.
>>335274086
nostalrius people aren't customers
>>335274397
Only if the infringing content is using your intellectual property you fucking idiot.
>>335274451
Yes, they can. Their willingness to invest in a certain area is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, as are their comments on the viability of legacy servers. They can and would make the claim that the Nostalrius players are potential subscribers to their game, and that is all the basis they need to take "fair use" off the table.
You flat out do not have any idea what you're talking about with regards to the law. Nostalrius did not have a leg to stand on here.
>>335274731
That's unfortunately probably as much response as he give without ruining his entire career
>>335274397
>In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:
>4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
It's been that way since fair use became law a long time ago.
Here's my experience on Nostalrius
>Make a Troll Mage
>Get through the 1-5 questing zone
>Remember those OP fucking trolls you have to kill at level 6
>Pull two and dead
>End up questing with someone for a large majority of Durotar and talking
>Random people come and go from our group
>Spells have ranks and have to be bought, pretty cool
>General chat bugs out and doesn't work most of the time
>There are chinks everywhere
>Try to setup official forum approved addons
>Most of them don't work, have errors
I get it. I get that WoW was an MMO that required an actual thought in your brain to play at the time. However, the game was shit. It was fucking buggy, laggy and lacked so many quality of life improvements that we have now. These QOL improvements didn't make the game easier, it made things more efficient.
Alt-tabbing every God damn quest and having to look it up was not "hard" as these nostalgia fags say, it was highly inefficient and stupid.
>>335270170
>Intensive purpose.
>>335274397
>if something fair use is infringing on your ability to make profits
That's an incongruous statement. If it is infringing your ability to make a profit, then it is not fair use
>>335274790
>They can and would make the claim that the Nostalrius players are potential subscribers to their game
And any Lawyer could just dig up exact quotes where Blues have said on their public forums that they totally aren't. Blizzard have said, numerous times, that Vanilla servers would not be profitable for them because people who want to play will not pay a sub fee. The burden of proof is on them to prove that these people would resub if the server is shut down.
>>335274830
It wouldn't hurt his career at all.
>>335263904
the weapons don't bring anything to the game. the game's distinct class differences are part of its former identity and what made it an excellent game. there was a cost associated with playing a class since you couldn't be another class at the same time. The problem isn't the fact that there are more weapons, it's the weapons themselves. by diversifying what the classes can do horizontally rather than vertically we end up with a class pool that is far more homogenized than it originally was. Some of the weapons/items are good: minisentry, khritzkrieg, cloak and dagger, axtinguisher, scottish resistance, etc because they push the classes unique qualities rather than just being purely restats and shit
>>335274931
>efficiency
this meme is what killed mmos
>>335272423
>population is based on subscriptions, not characters
>thousands people are deleting their characters in protest for Nostalrius
>Sargeras, Illidan, Mal'Ganis and Moon Guard are now hold a fraction of the characters and players
You have to be some kind of drone or shill to think that Blizzard upgraded the server size for the expansion. It's an amazing delusion. I've unsubbed all 3 of my accounts already and demanded refunds for Legion for all of them.
When WoW goes F2P in a couple years we might get Legacy servers to pull in the old crowd.
>>335274998
He can't just throw them under the bus, especially now that he's working at Riot and they recently got rid of solo queue for dynamic queue and tons of people are complaining they want it back
>>335267440
yes, it's a billion times better than WoW
>>335274989
>the burden of proof is on them to prove a hypothetical
Do you think before you post or are you just tossing a legal word salad
>>335274989
>The burden of proof is on them to prove that these people would resub if the server is shut down.
No, the burden is on the other party to prove their claim is true.
This is civil law.
>>335274776
somewhat true, but not entirely.
>>335273019
EU servers
>>335275059
no, you blubbering idiot. Being a more efficient person is how you should live life. Do you thoroughly enjoy doing things the hard way on purpose when there's a better way to do them?
That doesn't make you better at those things or give you any kind of credibility for doing it tha way. It makes you a stupid person.
>>335275067
I genuinely hope that at that point someone has made a new and better MMO so no one even cares and Blizzard is totally fucked and regrets not opening them sooner
>>335275164
how is that even remotely possible to prove unless blizzard takes the first step and makes the option available?
>>335275182
>Do you thoroughly enjoy doing things the hard way on purpose when there's a better way to do them?
Have you ventured into a Souls thread?
>>335275182
If you want to be efficient, you wouldn't waste your time playing an MMO. Many people willingly challenge themselves because life is more rewarding that way.
>>335270324
I play OSRS, it is miles better than the retail version, there is actually more people playing the old game than the current one, the dev team is also only 5 people who handle content, moderation, bug fixes etc. it is so money efficient for Jagex it's fucking insane
>>335272380
At first you make comics and be voice of the people.
Then companies notice people looking up to you, and hand you some swag to thank you for positive coverage.
After a while you start giving more positive view even to people who don't necessarily deserve it, in hopes of more swag.
>>335259294
Those are seriously all wrong besides maybe Hearthstone
The game was even worsely balanced back then, but because no one knew what the fuck they were doing we still saw variety. At least until the first expansion or two
>>335274989
It doesn't matter what they said. Circumstances change, and their position on the profitability of classic servers is not the same thing as the ability of unlicensed servers to take from their profit. Also,
>Blizzard have said, numerous times, that people who want to play will not pay a sub fee
source on that exact line please
>>335269450
>>335272423
Nostalriusfags are annoying but Jesus am I glad I quit playing WoW when I did. Tichondrius is low pop now? What the hell happened?
Is WoD really that fucking awful?
>>335275182
>Do you thoroughly enjoy doing things the hard way on purpose when there's a better way to do them?
>do you enjoy challenging yourself?
If you truly gave a shit about living your life efficiently, you literally wouldn't be playing MMOs or shitposting on a Croatian cross stitching board.
>>335274931
>having to alt-tab lookup quests
You're not the audience intended for nost, fuck off catababy.
>>335274931
>Remember those OP fucking trolls you have to kill at level 6
>Pull two and dead
Or you could just leave and return on the fucking 8-9 lvl
>>335275109
He wouldn't be "throwing them under the bus". He would be taking a stance on the subject. He's being a coward. Simply stating your opinion on how to handle this situation wouldn't hurt his career at all.
>>335275394
6month content drought, even if someone were still interested, literally the only thing to do is sit in your garrison for 10 minutes to do your daily shit.
>WoW loses 5 million subs
>Vanilla Nostalgiafags think they're going to care about a petition with 200,000 signatures that's probably nowhere near legit
When will Blizzdrones get it through their thick heads? Blizzard doesn't care. What did you guys expect to happen?
>Well you know what? Since everyone's so upset we shut down an illegal copy of our game, we're just going to put all the work into creating another Vanilla like server
Did people seriously expect them to cave into thousands of whining babies when 5 million retail customers quit the game and they basically just shrugged it off?
>2016
>WoW thread gets 450+ posts
why?
>>335275394
>Is WoD really that fucking awful?
There has been ONE content patch since the end of 2014.
>>335274989
Their comments are irrelevant. Nostalrius very clearly has the potential to impact Blizzard's profits, which voids fair use. It is plain as fucking day and there isn't a single judge in the country that would rule in Nostalrius's favor in this situation. This is basic intellectual property law
>>335275182
The reasoning of this post doesn't apply as comfortably to gaming as you think it does.
You're implying that getting to the end as fast and easily as possible is the greatest reward of a game.
In this case, there is merit in taking a harder path. It does make you more achieved.
>>335259294
original minecraft is better. have you seen the shitfest that is windows 10 minecraft? they make you pay for skins.
>>335275267
Fair use is an affirmative defense. The onus is not on the plaintiff to prove it's not fair use, it's on the defendant to prove it is.
Having to prove things are true is not a flaw in the legal system.
>>335259294
>>335260375
Gotta love that company-first, fuck the consumer attitude
>>335274931
>Needing to alt tab to look up quests
Have you tried reading quest descriptions? Nearly every quests tells you where to go. Why would you even do level 10 quests at level 6?
>>335274931
WHAT THE FUCK?! IS THIS REAL? That's seriously what the stats page looks like in Legion?
Holy christ... this game will be on mobile devices soon.
>>335274931
why even have stats anymore
>blizzard announces legacy servers
>only people who created their account during vanilla can play on it
>>335263904
>more options=more depth
The Brass Beast is fucking awful and nobody ever uses it, but according to your logic, the fact that it exists gives the game more depth.
>>335275543
>>335275558
Why do people keep playing then? Raid logging? How bare bones was WoD?
Cataclysm had a big drought where you just had Dragon Soul for like six months.
>>335275748
>Holy christ... this game will be on mobile devices soon.
You can already access the AH from IOS and Android devices, and there is in-game twitter integration already.
>>335257557
fucking who ?
>>335260375
What's wrong with what is being said here? Seems pretty impartial.
>>335271663
not now steve
>>335275618
yeah i understand that, but it is impossible to prove unless blizzard makes legacy servers available to purchase so true sub numbers could be realized
To be fair, Nostalrius probably wouldn't have received nearly the amount of attention it did if sodapoppin would've shut the fuck up. He was posting it on his twitter every day, talking about it on stream non-stop and putting it in his stream titles.
We get it chance, you like Vanilla WoW. So did the people playing the server you fucking stupid sack of shit. I wish Lea would keep a tighter leash on that dipshit.
>>335275895
They aren't. WoW is at 2-3m subs. It's so bad Blizzard refuses to even release sub numbers now.
>Dragon Soul for like six months.
kek. Hellfire Citadel is 16 months.
please explain what the point is of playing vanilla wow for a decade
i stopped playing wow in the lich king expansion
i know it's fun to play older games from time to time, but those games have engaging gameplay most often
what the fuck do these people do in there? raid molten core every day?
>>335275876
Sounds good
>>335275748
Honestly it probably is headed that way, they've pruned down the abilities, choices and stats so much that it makes diablo 3 look like dwarf fortress in comparison.
>>335275986
You realize literally <2% of people ever saw original Naxx before BC right? And of them, less that 10% saw pre-nerf Naxx.
How would character models, mounts, and pets work?
Doing the old forsaken quest line but with new models would be fun.
>>335275986
They sit around the campfire, pass around a double sided dildo and talk about how hard it was, how they trecked backwards through snow covered hills and how hard the game was.
>Muh world PvP
Yeah, being ganked by bored 60s who couldn't raid because they were too lazy to do attunements all day was fun.
>>335275748
Only our hope is that this entire "streamlining" collapses under its own weight in a couple of years.
>>335275895
Yeah, as the other guy said they're not. Everyone left is RPers, latecomers getting their free mythic clears, and shitter pvpers trying to get glad now that everyone left.
Does Blizzard pay Towelliee? How does this obnoxious douchebag have such a hard on for this game? He loses sleep over the idea of Legion Alpha patch notes. I guess I was the same way in BC... when I was 19-20.
>>335275983
>Hellfire Citadel is 16 months
Sweet cheeses.
Legion needs to bomb too, in order to end this farce.
Once the embers are finally out we can start to hope for something new out of the ashes.
>>335275986
When I played Nostalrius I spent most of my time just leveling characters, since it took so long. I leveled a bunch of classes and that was about it. That's pretty much what I did in BC as well, I didn't get to play Vanilla when it was current.
That is pretty much what I did back in the day in old MMOs as well. I don't even think a lot of MMOs back then that I played had end game content, you just leveled characters in it. When I first played WoW I actually had no idea there was even super amazing end game content in it because I was so used to just leveling and being content with that in MMOs. WoW pretty much ruined that for me in every MMO from then on out.
the warcraft movie pax panel starts in a few minutes
>>335276342
>Legion needs to bomb too
It won't, and the freakish amount of money it'll make on launch would be enough to sustain WoW as a cash cow for another year or so.
>>335276335
Yeah no that fat faggot is the biggest shill on twitch. He's shilling that hard over 80% of the new MMOs that come out every other month, there's no way anyone is that autistic and isn't being paid.
>>335276335
Towellie is probably the biggest Blizzard shill I have literally ever seen. I would never trust anything he says about the game.
>>335275394
They increased the population limit on servers. That's literally it.
Unless you are going to tell me virtually every single mid pop/high pop/full pop server dropped down virtually over night.
>>335276342
Oh it gets better.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/8#boss=1785
The raid has been out for so long that people have just been repeatedly finding ways to cheese fights with class stacking. Have a look at the fight lengths. This is the highest tier of difficulty.
>>335275947
>it is impossible to prove unless blizzard makes legacy servers available to purchase
And the second Blizzard do this it's not fair use.
Basically, their legal position is "We're fucked." Next time don't go into a business that is on shaky legal ground. At the very least, don't rely on baseless declarations you may one day need to prove in court.
>>335276524
>They increased the population limit on servers
>>335275986
you explain whats the point is of playing WOD singleplayer mode
>>335276335
Is that the fat guy who vapes non-stop and takes pleasure from banning people from his channel?
>And you get a ban
>You get a ban and..
>>335257557
DES
TROY
ED
>>335276592
>they're all fucking mages
best class reporting in
>>335276663
So you are trying to tell me Blizzard lied?
>>335275558
This is what makes me think the WoW team is constantly on fire over at Blizzard. They release less content than any half popular MMO out today with triple the budget and staff, if not more than that.
My WoWfag friend quit late last year, he's been subscribed every month without fail since Burning Crusade, he said he just can't do the same fucking content any more. The only thing Blizzard has to do to keep most WoWfags happy is releases new shit for them to do once every six months, they can't even do that any more.
>>335276486
I really hope it does. I'm seeing a lot of people saying they're not going to buy it or people ask for refunds. On the official WoW forums there is a post or 2 almost every day about someone who has been around forever leaving the game. I don't think it will get as many sales as a lot of people think it will. After WoD I think people have lost their trust in Blizzard, especially now seeing that class halls are just garrisons 2.0
>>335276486
When I say bomb, I mean irredeemably turn to shit in the mouths of current subscribers so they can finally sober up and drop the sub numbers into a dead zone.
The aftermath would probably only be visible a year later.
>>335276592
>All those arcane mages literally destroying the video game
Jesus Christ dude. How does anyone play a mage and not get fucking bored?
>>335276702
Not gonna lie, that description fits half the twitch streamers I've seen.
Twitch is fucking cancer.
>>335276873
People have been saying that since Cata, and since Cata it's still been making hundreds of millions of dollars.
>>335276498
Most of the stuff he says is objectively wrong
>>335262759
>compete directly with it
>people buy one or the other or both
>blizzard makes money regardless
???
>>335275876
Good.
>>335273849
Greg "Giving what people want would be boring" Ghostcrawler
>>335276854
Adding more people and money doesn't necessarily increase productivity. It's probably all tied up in corruption and bureaucracy, and metzens corruption fetish being injected everywhere is a desperate cry for help that we're all ignoring.
>>335276097
><2% of people ever saw original Naxx before BC right
Saw and cleared are different things
Even my casual guild that didn't cleared aq40 still killed few naxx bosses
>>335276958
Wrath, Cata, and MoP were also nowhere near as bad as WoD was, though. It is like universally bad. And from the alpha Legion is just continuing the same kind of content from WoD, not making any changes from the universally accepted worst expansion ever.
I don't think it will do as well as people think
>>335276958
Since Cata it's also been steadily dropping in subscribers.
What did people expect?
"oh ok, there's an online petition? Just do it then."
How many of those signatures do you think are unique? Vanilla fags will spend days just creating accounts, resetting their IP (if that's even necessary)
>>335277046
>???
Fuck off back to facebook
>>335277080
Blizzard gave them what they want and now we have LFR, so there's that.
Sometimes what people want it just straight up bad for the game.
>>335277097
Granted, but chances are that was still post-nerf. For the vast majority of players Vanilla and BC servers would legitimately be new content.
>Flying mounts
>BG Queue Menu
>LFD
>LFR
>Only 1-2 endgame zones
>Garrisons
Did I forget to list anything else that isolated players and annihilated any sense of community?
>>335275863
>>335275748
Holy shit shut the fuck up. Complain about something worth complaining about. There has never been a reason to see a bunch of stats on your character sheet that you mouse over and see text telling you that you gain nothing from it.
>It's different therefore bad
-Every single Nostcuck complaining about every single change since Vanilla.
Legion will fail harder than WoD
Screencap this
Repost this after 1 month of Legion launch
>>335275983
>kill archimonde mythic, 196 world
>quit the game immediatly after the down
all in all it was a pretty good experience
>>335260375
This makes ctrl alt del look good. There is more text bubble than artwork there.
>>335277110
>from the alpha Legion is just continuing the same kind of content from WoD
But that's observably untrue. World Quests, a focus on dungeons as a difficulty sidecar to raids, enhanced PvP systems and a focus on being out in the world is literally the opposite of WoD's design philosophy.
>>335259294
Ecology simulation in Minecraft is something I've wanted for a long time. Along with the ability to influence the ecology. It would be interesting to see a real, functional nature changing with how you act.
>>335277080
Players wanted transmog, Dungeon Finders and easier Legendaries in WoW. Turned out they were all absolute cancer.
Players who whine on the forums are stupid. He's right to ignore them
>>335277046
If nobody plays your shit expansion and your legacy server has your entire population, you kind of have to admit that maybe, just maybe, your design decisions are shit.
More importantly, you have to justify that to your investors who suddenly no longer believe whatever bullshit excuse you gave that your sub numbers were tanking for 3 expansions straight.
>>335276958
The current state of affairs are far worse than Cata, the shit WoD is getting away with is criminal.
>>335275986
It's not that we specifically want to play Vanilla WoW from now until the end of time. We want to play an MMO like it. Most people who liked Vanilla also enjoyed TBC, less enjoyed Wrath but plenty still did. If WoW had kept the same design philosophy and approach to content, I would frankly still be playing and buying new expansion packs. I wanted to see how World of Warcraft was going to grow but it regressed instead.
And since WoW sets the standard for MMO's, any potential competing MMO's need to put their skill bar around where Blizzard has theirs in the hope of attracting MMO players to their game. Blizzard has been continuously lowering the bar since the Trial of the Champion patch and as such has been lowering the quality of every other MMO on the market with them.
For example
>Rift started off fantastic
>Eventually put in a feature called like, adventures, or some shit where you just queued up, and then got thrown into a loop of quests with about 40 other people that rewarded you with shiny loot every once and a while, required zero interaction of any kind
>all in order to compete with the dungeon finder trivializing leveling in their main competitor
There is a fundamental rule of game design that players will always take the most efficient path to complete something. This rule has some leeway where it isn't true but it's concrete absolute law in a genre like MMORPG's a genre about minmaxing. That's why things like the dungeon finder smothered the community of WoW, and by extension the entire fucking genre.
So for all of you pro Vanilla guys arguing with anti "nostalgia" fags. Just remember, you're arguing with children who are too young to even know what nostalgia is.
>>335277329
They said all the same shit about WoD too.
Nostalgia fags btfo
I hope they continue to bring more tears among the whiny fuckers.
So, what happened to world of corecraft?
>>335277080
90% of WoW's worst decisions were ripped straight from the fucking general forums
9/10 the playerbase doesn't know what's actually good for them. Case in point when Blizzard limited the amount of people in a dungeon so you couldn't 40 man Deadmines, people bitched, but they also bitched that the encounters were faceroll easy before when they took 34 people in with them to fight Mutanus the Devourer.
>>335277441
Show me the posts for WoD about the new PvP system, World Quests and Mythic+ dungeons.
>>335277402
WoD isn't getting away with anything, it's pretty much the only expansion that you could safely say was worse than Vanilla.
>playing any mmo
>ever
>>335277329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSkUuHHAf7Q
>>335277630
WHAT
Are you fucking joking? They put garrisons in Legion? Are they absolutely fucking stupid? I just don't... I don't even.
>>335277594
I don't need posts, I can cite the mechanics themselves.
> PvP system
WoD removed PvP Power/resilience and introduced items that dynamically scale in item level for PvP. it was garbage
>World Quests
WoD introduced World objectives. It was garbage.
> and Mythic+ dungeons.
WoD introduced Mythic Dungeons. They were just Heroics.
>>335277630
But that's not garrisons, the problem with garrisons was that it trivialized professions, kept you away from player interaction/isolated and you had to slowly grind to upgrade it. Class Halls are none of these things and are used to progress a personal class story.
>>335276097
Most people in Vanilla didn't care about raiding. The majority of players just leveled slowly and hung out with friends. The mindset of rushing to max level just to raid 2-3 nights a week wasn't really a thing back then, sure some of people were into that, but it was a tiny minority. The focus was more on the world, it was the journey, not the destination.
>>335277594
16 months of the same content whilst getting paid for the privilege is definitely getting away with it in my book.
It boggles the mind that someone thought that was ok.
>>335277783
You think you don't want them, but you do. Trust me my dad works for Activision.
>>335276702
get
that
ass
banned
>>335277783
My exact reaction when I reached level 85 and realized dungeons and raids were exactly the same as in 3.3.3 and quit instantlyI couldn't even begin to imagine that they would make the system worse
>>335277881
That isn't the PvP system being introduced in Legion, nor is it World Quests or Mythic+ dungeons. It's almost like you haven't done even a cursory look into what is being introduced.
>>335277351
They can finally admit that maybe their game is fucking a decade old and its about time to end it and ride the wave of nostalgia til the game's ready to retire. So yeah, Blizzard would have to swallow their pride and admit that WoW isn't what it was, but let's face it -- Legions seems like the perfect expansion to end WoW on. You defeat the Burning Legion, as the best your class can possibly be, weilding weapons of lore -- if you think there is much more beyond that, you're delusional.
If wow is in it's death throws, at least let it die with the memory of how great it was -- not the rotting corpse it is becoming.
>>335277630
order hall missions either unlock stuff to do out in the world or give you a buff to help with doing world quests or whatever
it's entirely possible that blizzard completely fucks this up like they did WoD but saying they're the same is wrong as heck
>>335278017
They don't actually. That is just what they said they do. They are really just another drag and drop followers onto missions table, I'm not even kidding.
The whole "you can go out into the world with your followers" part was legitimately just the same thing we got in WoD where you could take your followers into the world with you if you wanted to.
>>335277630
WTF IS THIS
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Guys, there seems to be a lot of misinformation here. I've leveled a monk to 108 with this most recent build to test the campaign out. Yes, there is a garrison aspect involving sending out certain followers to do little tasks for you. HOWEVER, and this is a big however, so far these have not been the main focus when it comes to how your character interacts with the campaign. Yes, there are special missions that you need to send your character out on, but one in particular that the article missed happens just after you investigate the monastery.
Basically, your follower calls in backup because the situation is too dire and they need you to mobilize your crew to fight back an invasion. This leads to an invasion effort out in the world and you push back the legion and start another questline that I haven't unlocked yet. This leads to the monks of the class hall to prepare for war and start a war effort of personal training (done by your character in the open world), and AQ style war effort (I had to collect 500 fish and that's taken me a few days), and the introduction of a new trainee class that you can use to do missions.
It's not just garrison simulator 2.0 and this article barely touches the tip of the iceberg.
>>335260265
staffing is expensive lol
jagex did legacy servers REALLY well imo blizz should take pointers
>>335277630
>wow became a mobile game
who would have thought it will end up like that in 2006
>>335261193
Here I think a lot of it is shitposting. Don't know why people would get upset elsewhere
>>335278415
I joked to myself when they introduced LFR in Cataclysm that in the next expansion they'd give you a system that lets your character raid while you're offline in the next expansion. Lo and behold, I was off by 1 expansion.
It's disgusting.
