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I literally don't know what the fuck is going on this game.
You're undead, but you're also unkindled, and that's different because you use embers and never lose your humanity, but you still have a darksign. Now, hollows come from Londor, which is presumably New Londo or something like that and serve Kaathe. Which is wierd, because they usually collect humanity, meaning they should be anything BUT hollows.
And the Lords of Cinder kindled the flame, but they're not part of the Soul of Cinder for some reason. In the end you can either become a Dark Lord, link the flame or do some whack shit and usurp it.
Also there's a dark Firelink shrine, Gwyndolin got fucking eaten, there's something called the Deep which is like the abyss only like a sea too, and hollows turn into trees that turn into butterflies that do who the fuck knows what.
So yeah, lore thread?
>>335242132
I stillhavnt figured out dark firelink
Wackity schmackity doo.
From is just making things up as they go along.
>>335242132
>hollows turn into trees
I noticed all the hollows turned into trees were praising like the undead surrounding it.
My question is why does the first boss turn into a dragon halfway?
>>335242132
3v1 and seeded, hiding in irythil. Wish me luck guys.
>>335242132
An unkindled as I understand it is like a super undead. Only coming out when needed.
The Lords of Cinder should be part of the First Flame but they refuse to go which is why you hunt them down.
Endings are pretty straight forward
Dark Firelink is a vision of the world where The Unkindled didn't make it in time, see Gyunder.
Deep is the Abyss .Aldritch just envisioned water instead of Darkness.
Don't know about the butterflies probably just look cool.
>>335244286
Like the bird from the first game that ended the tutorial area? Not a dragon.
>>335242132
The embers look like burning humanity so it could be that all of the dark soul has been linked to fire by this stage.
In the opening cinematic someone wearing the firelink armor is kneeling and having cinders scattered over them. Are character mimics this position after we've collected all the cinders of the lords.
Sullyvahn wrongfully declared himself pontiff and had Gwyndolin consumed and imprisoned Yorshka who claims she is Gwyndolin's sister.
Oceiros is probably flame god Flann, Gwynevere's husband. The twin princes are theie sons along with Ocelotte, their youngest child.
The Grand Archives pose the biggest questions. There's weird statues of a robbed primordial serpent about the place and further up there's a bird cage that the Queen's maiden was imprisoned in for her worship of the angels. The blue knights worshiped the angels so they may have assaulted lothric castle in order to free Gertrude.
>>335244061
Dark Firelink is the real Firelink
Champion Gundyr was originally a Lord of Cinder, but the little guy went back in time and usurped the title from him so the Fire could be linked.
>>335246379
nice thoughts anon please accept my tight upvote
>>335242132
I don't think having the fire keeper remove the first flame results in you becoming a dark lord. The fire keeper says that it will end the linking of the fire. While she states that your grand betrayal will be a secret between the two of you Ludleth knows what you intend. He was close to the fire keeper whose soul you can find in the tower. He'll tell you that he saw the world without fire and chose to link the flame instead. But regardless of your decision he encourages you to make a choice of your own volition. Killing him at different stages in the game nets you different dialogue, one in which he's reliving the act of linking the flame and another in which he'talking to someone and says that whatever it is it isn't his fault.
The Ghru in Farron Keep are descendants of the Abyss watcher acolytes I think. The thinks on their heads look like the heads of the Oolacile townsfolk and their beastly appearance might be because of the wolf's blood that runs through the Abyss Watchers.
>>335242132
Was dark souls 2s story significant at all
>>335248597
Only the stuff With Aldia really. The Throne was just the first flame. But the idea of Aldia discovering the true nature of the Undead Curse and Vendrick and the Bearer of the Curse attempting to find a cure for it has interesting implications on the series that show up in DaS3
>>335244286
They also praise those dead dragons so...
Maybe those tree hollows > Butterflies > Dragons?
>>335242132
Nameless King is unquestionable Gywn's first born, the namelss god of war. He may have mentored Ornstein, and when the gods left Anor Londo Ornstein sought out his old mentor in Archdragon Peak for a final duel. His equipment aalong with his spear can be found on a body right after the fight.
Dark firelink may be us walking into another time. I don't agree with the theory that the hub is an illusion, I haven't seen anything proving that. The Gundyr here was meant to be a champion of ash, but he arrived too late. It could be that this is the past and this is Gundyr at his true strength. His armour says that he was defeated by an unknown warrior, likely the player character. Gundyr did wish to see the fire linked though. This is an awful lot like the Giant Lord situation from Dark Souls 2.
Emma, the high priestess of lothric castle may be deceiving us or attempting to throw us off when we first meet her. She tells us that we will not find the Lords of Cinder here. Lothric isn't mentioned in the beginning cutscene, either because he was the most recent lord to link the flame or because the royal family, particularly Emma wish to divert attention from him. She was his wet nurse after all.
The profaned flame is something I wish there was more lore on. It sounds like the sky went on fire, kind of like the eclipse we see near the end.
>>335247595
good catch the ghru spear confirms they are
Only thing I have to contribute is a theory from another thread that Ludleth is a soulfeeder though I don't know how that would fit into the bigger picture.
I'm currently wondering why there are Cathedral Knights in Oceiros' Garden and that thing OP mentioned about why the Lords of Cinder aren't part of the Soul of Cinder is a good question too.
>>335249863
A mushroom just like Elizabeth can be found in the swamp, right of where you first enter the area. Farron Keep is what became of Darkroot.
Ludleth being a soulfeeder is a possibility. The more souls someone attains means they're better kindling for the first flame. Ludleth also begs for forgiveness from an unknown party in one of his dialogues and says he is not to blame.
The soul of cinder may be the person we see in the opening cinematic, the last person to link the fire, they are both donned in the firelink armor. When we enter the kiln the soul of cinder is resting at the bonfire and only aggros as we approach. The linking of the fire ending has the player character sitting down at the bonfire, perhaps assuming the soul of cinder's role after this. We don't know how many times the lords have reason and taken their thrones. This could make every NG+ cycle a mirror of what happens when people chose to link the fire.
There's some slight details on NPCs that are easily missed. Horace the hushed was to be fed to Aldrich, but he somehow escaped. Hawkwood deserted from the undead legion, but he can sometimes be found praying to a grave just outside the shrine with a Farron greatsword on it. This could possibly be his blade because he uses a bastard sword for most of the game, but when you duel him for the dragon stones he's using the greatsword. Yellowfinger Heysel will eventually turn into a maggot man. This could be what happens to people that use Rosaria's respec or appearance change too much. That maggot she's holding could be someone in the process of rebirth. Just before the Profaned Capital's dungeon Alva will invade. He's no longer Alva the Wayfarer, but Alva seeker of the Spurned. Karla, the witch of this game is deep within the dungeon. Alva's armor in DS2 hinted at romance between Alva and a witch. Kalra's ashes say that she's a spurned child of the Abyss that fades in and out of death, but that now there is no one to search for her any longer.
>>335246379
I thought the cage was for Gertrude?
>>335253013
Yeah, Gertrude was the Queen's holy maiden. Divine Pillars of Light's description says the Queen's holy maiden Gertrude was visited by an angel, who revealed this tale to her.
>>335253013
Gertrude is just called "the holy daughter", she wasn't actually the princess. She was just the handmaiden of the queen.
>>335244594
>Deep is the Abyss
It isn't. Deep sorceries make it clear it's not the same thing.
>>335252812
Oh shit I hadn't made the connection between Alva and Karla because the witch was named Zullie or something in DaS2 but since Karla is a piece of the abyss she presumably reincarnates. That makes it really sad that you find the Alva Armor right outside her cell.
Only NPC details like that I can think of are that Creighton from DaS2 invades both you and Sirris so it seems Pate was innocent. Yellowfinger Heysel is the daughter of the head of the Farron Acolytes and Siegward knew Yhorm before he was a Lord of Cinder but those are all pretty blatant.
>>335242132
the lore is "we signed a contract with namco bandai for three games and we had some left over assets from bloodborne, have this quick cash grab while the takeover from kadokawa is completed and we are free from namco's jewery, our next game won't be souls because we are fucking tired of this shit and you can also notice we pretty much ran out of ideas so, yeah - Miyazoter"
>>335249182
What's the deal with Ornstein in DS2 then? Is that an imitator or was it meant to be the real Ornstein?
>>335254807
It's clearly an imitator/illusion. Probably to test people who wanted to become Blue Sentinels.
>>335254925DUDE ILLUSIONS LMAO
Really though, I don't particularly like the fact that they can retcon absolutely anything with "dw it was an illusion lol"
>>335255184
It is kind of shit, but in this case it makes more sense than the alternative. Real Ornstein decided to travel across the sea, pick up dark attacks, and guard some random shitty cathedral in Heide that had no connection with Anor Londo? Makes zero sense.
>>335244286
>My question is why does the first boss turn into a dragon halfway?
These black monsters are probably just a tease for the DLC. you can also find them festering on the two dragons in Lothric Castle. Strange that nobody mentions writhing beasts with horns though.
>>335244363
Bust some ass, anon.
>>335255612
You think they're Abyss connected or Deep connected?
>>335255486
Oh I definitely agree that Ornstein travelling to find Nameless is much better than him going to Heide's, I just don't like the precedent that's been set. Hopefully they use it sparingly, if at all
>>335253870
>>335255754
What is this deep != abyss meme
For the longest time anything referencing darkness etc has always been taken to mean the abyss
Wheres the evidence that this "deep" is anything different from the abyss?
>>335252812
>That maggot she's holding could be someone in the process of rebirth
It's one of the archdeacons of the Cathedral that worships her as a deity. You could argue that changing your "self" over and over eventually turns you into a blobby maggot. Might be a jab at current culture.
These are all really interesting, guys. Keep going.
>>335255989
notice me sampie
>>335256089
*note taking intensifies*
>>335255857
The game makes specially sure to show us that "Deep" is darker than what Humans are familiar with. Deep is darkness that has no relation to humans.
>>335254384
this
Lothric has three well known pillars of authority. The knights, the scholars and the priestesses. All rejected the idea of angel worship. There is another one however, the hunters. Each of these groups has a ring associated with them that can be found in game and before climbing the stairs that lead to prince Lothric there are three NPCs, the hunter Kamui, Lion Knight Albert and daughter of crystals Kriemhild. Kriemhild was an apprentice to the crystal sages of the Grand Archives and invades the player character in the Untended Graves area. In the german myth Nibelungenlied, Kriemhild has a brother named Gunther. Is it possible Gundyr is her brother? Black Hand Gotthard is also a hunter who fled Lothric castle. He may be targeting the Pontiff though because Sullyvahn is an enemy of the royal crown. he returns to Lothric castle anyway.
Lorian the elder prince is mute and crippled because his soul was merged with his brother's in attempt to make Lothric a worthy heir. Lorian wished it so apparently. This is probably why Lothric can revive Lorian.
>>335256227
Probably just Miyazaki sticking his Lovecraft love in after Bloodborne.
Idea:
Gwyndolin was devoured by his own will and is actually helping Aldrich kill you in his fight.
Reasoning:
1) Yorshka is the one that was imprisoned by the Pontiff, as she says so herself, and judging by the fact that she's stuck in a place called the prison tower. As a result, the statement saying that the pontiff imprisoned A god means that gwyndolin wasn't imprisoned.
2) Gwyndolin is still active in the fight, he moves his arms and his body, which I find strange for a person that's being devoured to do.
3) More of a character statement, but Gwyndolin sacrificed everything, and stayed behind in Anor Londo by himself, for the sake of his father's legacy and for the sake of the first flame. I wouldn't put it past him to choose to sacrifice himself to the monstrosity that is Aldrich, for the sake of strengthening him, in order to combat the upcoming "age of deep sea"
4) Aldrich is a devourer of GODS, plural, and yet, Gwyndolin is the only one that we see. This point is rather shaky so I'm not gonna stand my ground on it.
Thoughts?
>>335246641
These theories turn crazier by the day and still despite asking for it, I haven't gotten a single item description or piece of dialogue that clearly shows that Ludlith has something to do with the firelink shrine, other than being another slave for it.
So why are there Irythrill knights in Lothric (including Voldt and Dancer)?
>>335255857
I thought they were the same thing for awhile as well but I think Aldrich's soul pretty clearly separates them
When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea.
He knew the path would be arduous, but he had no fear. He would devour the gods himself.
We've been to the Abyss it was just blackness so this mention of a sea differentiates it for me. Could be the sea is where the Primordial Serpents live; they probably hid Elvis there and orchestrated both JFK's assassination and 9/11 from its depths.
>>335256375
>All rejected the idea of angel worship
That's why there are evangelists all around.
>>335256375
Please explain the jump from pillars of authority to "Is Gundyr Kriemhilds brother?" and how the angels (and probably the locked up winged daughter) are part of it.
>>335256624
I don't think Gwyndolin is Gwyndolin anymore.
I also think that Aldrich ate Priscilla because of the Lifehunter hex description.
>>335256797
Because outrider knights were sent to go do missions outside of Irythrill.
Presumably whatever mission that was has long been forgotten, given that they're all insane monsters now.
>>335256884
How do you suggest he did that? He went to the painted world? It's also clear that miracles (and hexes) are stories that are being chanted. As such, it's possible that lifehunt scythe is just priscilla's story.
>>335256851
The reign of Gwyn was the age of fire and the sun. The age of the deep sea is the age of the moon. Iriythill and what's left fo Anor Londo are now worshipping the moon and the only memory of the "Sun" are statues and an old painting.
What did Pontiff Sully do?
>>335244286
From the Guide, (which also says which ending is the canon/right/true ending)
The black corruption that bursts from people like Gundyr in the tutorial, or the cult member in High Wall, is referred to as the "Pus of Man"
"Pus of Man: Exploding from the bodies of unfortunate undead, this chaos corruption manifests itself as an amorphous black blob, vaguely resembling some horrific beast in silhouette, but with no recognizable shape."
>>335249182
>The profaned flame is something I wish there was more lore on
Oracles of Alsanna set it off by cursing it. Yhorm is involved somehow.
The whole Yhorm/Profaned Capital thing is basically a Dark Souls 2 related plotline that they haven't/didn't explore properly.
DLC1: Londor and Primordial Serpents
DLC2: Castle Drang and the Giants
>>335257216
DLC
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Vaati vidya here all your questions will be answered in my upcoming video.
Now if you guys would like to discuss the lore that would be great.
How did Gywndolin get eaten, and what was Aldrich?????
>>335257216
What's the canon ending then?
>>335257298
>Dark Souls 2 related plotline
i don't see where this is coming from.
>>335242132
My current assumptions.
What if the protagonist of Dark Souls 2 managed to find cure for the undead curse.
Ashen one is undead, but by default doesn't go hollow so they are seemingly free of the curse.
But the link between them and the Fire has been severed, thus they are just ash now.
Couldn't it be seen that in DS human consists of body that holds in it humanity and a soul.
Then hollowing is a slow loss of humanity while going ash would be opposite of that, keeping humanity but loosing soul.
>>335257193
Something with kids. In a church.
>>335256624
An interesting idea but Sullyvahn's soul says he imprisoned a God in the Cathedral not a prison tower so I think Gwyndolin was that God but that doesn't mean Gwyndolin didn't make the best of a bad situation so to speak.
>>335256797
Not sure why they were in those exact spots but the Pontiff's eye rings mention that being an Outrider Knight is the equivalent of exile and the rings turn them into mindless beasts fit only for fighting. The Dancer's Armor mentions it fused into her body as she went mad. I don't think they were purposefully sent to those spots they just guard things because they're almost mindless after all there's another one in the bottom of the tower where the giant archer is. There is a theory that Sullyvahn sent them there to stop people from getting to Lothric but I don't know how legit that is.
>>335242132
What is this shiny purple orb?
Found where Anri was standing.
>>335257416
>Yhorm was a conqueror but also subjugated
This is basically screaming to me that it's about the Giants who attacked Drangleic
>The Profaned Flame was found in the Profaned Capital under the Tundra
It's Eleum Loyce
>Court Sorcerer and other items talk about an "Oracle"
Alsanna is the only Child of Dark that isn't canonically dead after Dark Souls 2. Her title was "Silent Oracle"
>>335257607
that's a prism stone
>>335256997
Because the Lifehunt Scythe belonged to Priscilla. I don't think most people knew about Priscilla, she was banished to the painted world for a reason, she's the gods dirty secret.
>>335257605
Anor londo as a whole could be considered the cathedral, especially considering that the aldrich faithful invade the area before anor londo in general.
>>335257690
Yeah but he doesn't OWN the lifehunt scythe, he just imitates it.
>>335257605
There is an outrider in the archives too.
>>335257607
Anri and the dude that doesn't talk said they'd leave prism stones incase they lose eachother.
The black monsters that erupt out of certain hollows are definitely Abyss related. They're called the pus of man. The Ludex in the tutorial area is Abyss corrupted which would explain why he's infected by the pus of man. They could be the darksign running unchecked. Pilgrims wear those turtle shells to prevent the pus from escaping.
I don't think Ludleth has much of a relation to dark fire link. But if dark firelink is the past then he may have burned more times than we realise. He's throne is there after all.
I think some outrider knights from Irythrill also attacked Lothric castle. There's one in the dragon barracks and another in the grand archives. I think Sullyvahn is very important in the story, he's an instigator, like Micolash in Bloodborne. His aims aren't clear. He was a simple sorcerer before all this. He first wanted to link the flame using Aldrich as kindling, but now he mightn't want to repeat that . He has the dancer watch Emma and Vordt impedes the progress of any unkindled in their lord seeking.
>>335257668
Well first of all Yhorn is not THE Giant from DaS2, he's just huge and he's got a face.
Eleum loyce is nowhere near where DaS2 is happening and is also not underground if anything.
Profaned Capital is also under the Boreal Valley, which is Tundra.
Oracle is such a vague title it's not even worth clinging to.
This was just a poor excuse for a game made to wank DaS1 fans. Fanservice: The Game.
Say what you will about DaS2, at least it was very unique compared to 3.
>>335257193
He found dank dark magical secrets in the profaned capital and then went on to take over Ice Disney Land and install his own little regime while systematically removing all opposition.
Whether he worked for, used, or work with Aldrich is anyone's guess since they're basically two separate stories.
>>335257885
It's Iudex, not Ludex. It means "judge".
>>335257738
In order to imitate it he probably had to come in contact with it.
He's the Devourer, he ate her or he ate someone that knew her "techniques".
We can only speculate, but i really think he ate her.
>>335242132
>expecting anything but incoherent hack writing from From
>>335257898
>Well first of all Yhorn is not THE Giant from DaS2
I never said he was.
>he's just huge and he's got a face.
That's almost certainly just a change in the design of Giants in general. Probably not a huge distinction.
>Eleum loyce is nowhere near where DaS2 is happening and is also not underground if anything.
Transitory lands are converging smart guy.
>Profaned Capital is also under the Boreal Valley, which is Tundra.
Exactly. It's a city with a flame that never goes out that's also in an extremely cold and frigid ecosystem. It's Eleum Loyce.
>Oracle is such a vague title it's not even worth clinging to.
Nah, it's a hugely important clue. You're dumb as shit.
>>335244250
>From is just making things up as they go along.
This is most likely true
>>335257456
Neat idea. Hollows could all reside in Londor because being Hollowed is becoming increasingly rare so they all go to one place. Another theory to build off that is that since the undead were separated from the fire that's where the ability to usurp the flame comes from and why previous undead couldn't do it. Now that you are free of the flame you can manipulate it?
>>335258078
>In order to imitate it he probably had to come in contact with it.
The Corvians also imitate the scythe since their storytellers have knowledge of the painted world. Gwyndolin knew about the secret of the painted world, as did the painting guardians, most likely.
>>335258195
>Hollows could all reside in Londor because being Hollowed is becoming increasingly rare so they all go to one place.
OR they are Kaathe worshippers who know that stealing other people's humanity keeps a hollow sane and are therefore shunned by everyone on their menu.
>>335256624
Wait, you can see Gwyndolin inside Aldrich's body? I didn't notice that at all.
Can someone list the newbie area path?
>>335246641
>Dark Firelink is the real Firelink
This isn't Bloodborne where there are parallel worlds, that doesn't make any sense. Firelink is Firelink.
>>335258605
you mean a checklist of where to go?
>>335257607
>Tell her about Smoldering Lake
>No option to tell her what I did down there
>She thanks me and says she'll go down there
GOD DAMN IT NO
>>335258605
High wall -> undead settlement -> Cathedral of the deep -> farron keep -> irithyll -> anor londo -> profaned capital -> lothric castle
>>335257310
Going to spoiler it
"The Simple Ending: The easiest ending is to defeat the Soul of Cinder without having eight Dark Sigils. Simply beat the boss and light the bonfire. This is what most new players will encounter without specifically trying to get another ending.The True Ending:
Get the Eyes of a Fire Keeper from the Untended Graves area (as noted earlier in this walkthrough). Give these to the Fire Keeper. Defeat the Soul of Cinder and then summon the Fire Keeper from a white sign on the ground nearby. She'll take you into the second ending from there.Usurping the Fire:
Get the Eyes of the Fire Keeper from the Untended Graves area (earlier in this walkthrough). Give these to the Fire Keeper. Defeat the Soul of Cinder and then summon the Fire Keeper from a white sign on the ground nearby. Instead of letting her complete her ritual, attack her. There is a very small window of opportunity to do this.
Last one to come since it is lengthy.
Time is convoluted.
>>335258652
Why are there 3 different Firelinks then?
>>335258776
This was meant for >>335257398
Sorry. Typing up the last one now.
>>335258236
We can't know for sure, it's too vague.
"Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding."
Did he see Gwyndolin's memories?
Did he remember eating Priscilla?
Was Priscilla hiding from Aldrich or was Priscilla simply hiding in the painting?
Now i'm starting to lean towards the Gwyndolin's memories.
>>335258869
Because Miyazaki is a fucking hack
>>335258869
I hate that there's 3 different firelinks and all of them have the same fucking thrones. Something about that really bugs me, it feels wrong.
>>335257668
>It's Eleum Loyce
I assumed that Profaned capital was the place where you put the Lordvessel in DS 1.
The big fireball shoothing bowl next to a big gate seemed familiar at least.
And a place where The Lordvessel was put could be important enough place to become a capital of some kind.
>>335258078
He did come in contact with it he dreamed of her while he was eating Gwyndolin it's in the miracle's description. Miracles are just stories of the gods if he saw her in a dream and learned of her he could easily produce a miracle. Just speculating but seeing as how he has all of Gwyndolin's abilities I would guess he would get all of Priscilla's if he ate her. Gonna take another guess but if he could turn invisible I think he would have while fighting for his life.
>>335249182
>The profaned flame is something I wish there was more lore on.
Absofuckinglutely. You'd think a flame that never goes out is exactly what would be the answer to each game's problem, but it's 'bad fire'.
Bet you fuckers all forgot about this frame in some of the early trailers
After we collect the cinders of the lords we warp to another firelink shrine with no flame. Then there's that strange city that resembles Lothric in view from the kiln.
>>335259005
The fire bowl is not the lordvessel, I know because I was arguing with someone in a thread once who said it was, and pictures were brought up that clearly showed the two were different in size and in design. Its just a big fire bowl.
>>335246379
>Oceiros is probably flame god Flann, Gwynevere's husband.
This retarded theory again, please, go back to Leeddit.
>>335258950
Priscilla wasn't hiding. She was hidden away. A prisoner. She was also not a god so she'd be of little interrest to Aldrich, who decided that only gods will do. Gwyndolin was pretty much the only god he got to munch on and might also have just remembered the forms of Nito and the Witch of Izalith from Gwyndolin's memories.
>>335259153
The hell is going on here?
>>335258652
there are no parallel worlds in Bloodborne, there's the dreamworld and the real world.
Dark Souls has always been about time travel and shit
>>335259185
You gotta admit that the design is strikingly similar. The fact that it's the lowest point geographically also doesn't help.
>>335244594
>a vision of the world where the unkind led didn't make it in time
But then why does the handmaiden in the dark shrine say "why are you here, unkindled? The bell hasn't rung yet" or some shit like that. Seems more like time travel to me.
>>335259249
unfinished bonfire mechanic from the leak
>>335259249
the "black goo" is erupting from the ground and the player is praising it it seems.
I'm trying to find the specific trailer, but can't
>>335259158
That's the endtimes. When all fire is gone from the world, all kingdoms are in ruins and a new age is about to begin. It's more metaphorical than "real".
>>335256624
>4) Aldrich is a devourer of GODS
And he has Priscilla's scythe, and he dreamed of the painted world.
>>335259097
Chaos was also a flame that never went out, that was HARDLY a good solution to the first flame problem.
>>335244061
its the real firelink
if you look at where you come from initially to fight gundyr it makes sense geographically (you're right under lothric and can see the trees from the kings garden). also firelinks sky doesnt change to red later on.
Champion Gundyr didn't want to link the fire but Ludleth cucked him just like Solaire cucks the chosen undead. He's influenced or possesed by the abyss, hence the red eyes.
Iudex Gundyr is the same guy but from the "current" timeline. The abyss already corrupted him so thats why he becomes a monster in the first fight of the game.
>>335259464
The opinions are split here but I don't feel that he actually devoured priscilla.
>>335242132
> it's another fucking thread
There's 5 other das3 threads there, numbnuts
>>335257398
>>335258776
Final ending. It's lengthy.
Lord of the Hollows Ending:
This is the hardest ending to achieve, because it has many steps.
Use Yoel to Draw Out True Strength 5 times.
Make sure to recruit Yoel, and then kill yourself repeatedly to raise your Hollowing so that you can keep Drawing Out your powers. Make sure to do this five times! Each one gets you a Dark Sigil, and this ending isn't possible if Yoel dies before you have all five of them he has to offer.
Yuria arrives in the Shrine soon after. Don't worry if Yoel collapses and dies afterward. He's played his part in this already.
Speak with Anri twice when you meet on the Road of Sacrifices.
Defeat the Deacons of the Deep, and then speak to Anri at the Firelink Shrine
Meet Anri in the Catacombs of Cathus and do not say where Horace is located. You can go back and kill Horace later, after you've seen Anri in Irithyll (but you don't need to)
Speak with Anri in Irithyll, in the Church of Yorshika (near the bonefire)
Defeat Pontiff Sulyvahn
Return to the Firelink Shrine and talk to Yuria. Talk until you've exhausted her conversation options. You're told the wedding preparations are complete.
Talk to the Pilgrim toward the end of Irithyll, on the eastern side of the map. The room is down a side hallway when you're about to enter the tower that takes you up to Anor Lando. The Pilgrim gives you the Sword of Avowal.
Execute the Rite of Avowal with Anri in the rear of Gwyndolin's chamber., This gets you three Dark Sigils. You now have all eight!
Do not let the Fire Keeper heal you of your Dark Sigils at any time.
Now complete the game by defeating the Soul of Cinder. If you have all eight Dark Sigils, you get the special ending. It's pretty whicked!
>>335259464
He has a miracle that imitates Priscilla's scythe. Miracles are stories. He didn't eat dragon waifu.
This seems like a reasonable place to ask. I made a cool looking character for my second playthrough and I forgot that if I want to get the Yuria ending I'd have to go hollow, ruining my character.
Anri's side quest seems to be the longest and the most extensive one. Can I still do Anri's sidequest on my playthrough if I avoid the Dark Sign and going hollow?
>>335242132
>I literally dont know what the fuck is going on this game
Welcome to Dark Souls. I love it, but I've always felt this was by design. For 1, most of the time you are getting your info from NPC's who are (or were) slowly going hollow before you show up.
None of them know the whole story, and typically they have their own objectives that you can choose to assist them with. You aren't railroaded into helping, and in fact, unless you really go in depth and out of your way to try to help, most of the time you will fail (Solaire, Siegmeyer, Patches, Lucatiel)
While there are the "ancient legends" and you are the "chosen undead" in some of these games, you are more or less writing the story as you go.
You can piece it together and learn more about where you are, and how it became this way, but there is nobody giving you quests or objectives, which allows you to tackle the game in whatever order you want. The setting is always in ruins, and on the brink of death. It makes sense that most of the history, and lore is broken and incomplete.
You can experience these games in so many different ways, and apart from a few bottlenecks there truly is no specific order you have to go in.
>>335259604
So lord of hollows is not the true ending? Betrayal is?
>>335259548
>also firelinks sky doesnt change to red later on.
And it's never night even though it's moon in the Anor Londo.
That's just game mechanics, along with drak firelink keeping the changes from the usual one. It's just cutting corners.
>>335259647
If you reach 50 hollowing you can use a purging stone to turn human again. If you want the hollow ending then you can get rid of the darksign after it before proceeding into NG+. Or you farm some more in NG.
>>335259604
You need to touch the Bonfire for it.
I did every step of this ending unconsciously but i still got the firekeeper one because i was too scared of touching the fire.
>>335259647
Yes you can but you have to take an alternate route to Yuria's questline if you want Anri's quest to finish.
>>335259740
The way I interpret the book is the Fire Keeper ending, the one you don't attack, is the true ending.
>>335259761
they could have easily switched the sky box like they did for every other area.
>>335259198
It's just a theory working off the divine blessing's item description.
>>335259328
If you actually compare the two it really isn't. The lordvessel has these deep engravings running across the rim, whereas the firebowl barely has any
>>335259473
Exactly, more emphasis needed.
Also, isn't there mention that the chaos flame died out?
>>335259798
The issue with purging stones is that you still get hollowing levels whenever you die so you can't really avoid becoming beef jerky unless you play well.
>Left a message in regular Firelink Shrine
>The message is in Dark Firelink as well
THIS IS SOME SPOOKY SHIT RIGHT HERE
>>335258869
The last firelink is just the base firelink after the preparations for the end have been made. Those two are one and the same, and the abilily to move back from the end could be seen as non-canon.
The dark firelink shrine is a fucking mystery.
But so is the whole nature of the firelink shrine.
It is implied that handmaiden, firekeepper and Andrew are all slaves of the shrine. They are undead and thus immortal, but it feels like there also is some force that keeps them there.
Same might go for Ludlith although being Lord of Cinder, he might be different kind of case.
The question why firelink shrine is set up as it is, is easy to answer, it's to link the fire.
But who set it all up? One of the serpents? Someone else?
There is no incentive to progress in this game.
What's the point of killing some huge skeleton with wristbands if there's no context behind it?
Why is the main character even doing anything?
Just sit at firelink and chill there.
>>335259647
Nah you gotta go Hollow to marry her. Though Yuria sells a ring that makes you look unhollowed.
>>335259957
The chaos flame died out with the bed of chaos, didn't it?
>>335248597
The protagonist fucking off is important as it weakens the fire as hes called the one that went beyond death. literally making people scared of doing their duty to keep the age of fire going
>>335259473
>Chaos was also a flame that never went out
until it did (or at least started dwindling)
>>335259946
It doesn't even matter. The Lordvessel was Gwyn's lock on the door to the kiln and the lord souls. It wasn't mandatory for anything else and served it's use when the door was opened.
>>335256738
But he literally says in dialogue that the previous shrine was lost and he willed himself a lord to make another one.
Simply talk to him after finding untended graves.
>>335260026
Say what?! Nice, I can just wear that ring all game and follow the hollowing quest to that ending. Thanks a bunch anon!
>>335242132
>Aldrich is actually the giant mass of bones and rotting shit, the "body" is just Gwyndolin's half eaten corpse being used like a puppet
>>335260069
That's because it fell into the endless sea of lake.
>>335242132even the promotional character uses an estoc
>>335259968
yeah you stsart rotting again but that's cured by healing the darksign after the ending. you have to make some sacrifices for the ending and the londor items, dude!
>>335259185
It doesn't need to be a same bowl to be a same place.
"Here is the great place where big important bowl sits."
"Boss. The bowl got stolen."
"Well, make a new one and make it more fancy and have it shoot fire to keep thiefs away."
>>335260129
ash lake*
>>335260113
no shit, anon.
>>335242132
>and hollows turn into trees that turn into butterflies that do who the fuck knows what
Huh?
>>335260129
is there a source for that at all?
>>335259328
there's a number of lordvessel looking bowls in the game, but still people choose this one to mistake it for one?
I'd wager on one under Lothric castle to be a lordvessel, but it doesn't make sense.
>>335260227
in the high wall, if you pay attention, the hollows aren't impaled on the trees, they're turned into them. Also those weird flying things in lothric castle are turtle shell hollows.
>>335260129
>>335260213
Except Lost Izalith is under the Ash Lake.
Poor Ludleth, all the other lords can leave their thrones, but he's stuck in firelink even if he wanted to abscond.
>>335260351
What the hell gave you that impression?
>>335260242
Those treees that are burning in Smouldering Lake? Those are archtrees.
>>335260304
And in undead settlement people sitting in their chairs turn into trees too.
>>335260256
Hi, Billy of Mays here and I'm about to tell you how you can get your very own Lordvessel for the low price of 19.99!
>>335260109
fashion souls is best souls
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Untrue+Dark+Ring
>>335258997
there is only 1 firelink asset
>>335258869
What, where is the third one? I only know of 2
>>335260384
He'd only get dragged back by the PC so he might as well just stay there and be useful.
>>335260574
Untended graves and the kiln
>>335260109
Yeah it won't change your covenant icon getting more decrepit though. My current play through my hollowing is so severe I'm pretty much a walking spooky skeleton
>>335255857
the description for Deep Protection says:
> "The deep was originally a peaceful and sacred place, but became the final rest for many abhorrent things. This tale of the Deep offers protection for those who worship amidst those horrors."
from gnaw description:
>"These insects which lurk in the Deep have tiny jaws lined with fangs to tear open the skin and burrow into the flesh in the blink of an eye, causing intense bleeding"
I'm willing to bet we'll visit the deep in a DLC.
>>335260441
Archtree roots on top of Lost Izalith dome?
>>335259604
But what is the significance of the different endings? What are the implications?
>>335259740
There's no canon ending in an RPG unless a sequel directly states so.
>>335260574
The one you get to after defeating Iudex.The one you get to after defeating Champion Gundyr (Dark Firelink)
andThe one you get to after defeating all the lords of cinder
>>335260713
Those aren't archtrees. Those are branches of the Bed of Chaos.
Where do you think all that water in Smoldering Lake came from?
>>335260713
That's the bed of chaos.
Anyone know what Pontiff Sullyvahn's game plan was?
>>335260738
Link the fire ending is simple enough, you keep the fire going, presumably for a short amount of time. Giving the world a litttle while longer.
Betrayal is the first flame getting put out for good, and as a result ending the world, literally. According to firekeeper chan the flames might come back at one point but who knows really.
Lord of hollows is the one I haven't wrapped my head around, it seems like you somehow change the nature of the first flame to be a dark flame rather than a light one. The sun's color changes, and, presumably, dark souls will start flowing from the first flame that now burns within your bosom. What that means for the world, I have no idea.
>>335260938
I'm evil lulz?
You know the thing before going to the Kiln where you kneel and the fires from the lords gather in the hands of the firekeeper and she holds them over your head?
Isn't that the same thing that happens in the DaS 1 cinematic where the corpse lays on the ground with a firekeeper kneeling and holding a light over his head and then the darksign shows.
Are these things related?
Could it be that's the firekeeper giving the undead something essential for linking the fire? Maybe in the fist one she gave it to a bunch of dudes hoping that someone would succeed but there's not enough of the stuff to go around in the third one so you need to salvage the leftovers from the cinders?
The real question is, how did the Maiden in Black become a firekeeper, and what was she doing in Firelink Shrine?
The corpse you loot the firekeeper set from is almost certainly hers, as no one else in the series has pancake eyes.
>>335258471
lolwut. Aldrich is just black goop. All the humanoid parts are gwyndolin. His theme is just an remix of gwyndolin's theme.
>>335260985
Seems to me the king of hollows is you are unleashing the hollowing across this world having it beyond Lando. Or maybe you just corrupt the world.
>>335260938
Control. What else.
>>335260938
Empower Aldrich, and use his strength to power through the upcoming age of deep sea.
>>335261204
How did you come to that conclusion?
>>335261268
The fact it seems you change the nature of the world itself. The change in sky color and such.
>>335260806
>Where do you think all that water in Smoldering Lake came from?
It was there since it's ash lake?
Where was the other item talking about how the Queen of Lothric would wander the unkempt graves?
The ashen estus ring says how she 'enshrined' it in a grave. Your grave. So big as fuck coincidence, or is this what led to you being 'chosen'?
I'm willing to believe that this area is in the 'past' but I can't account for the rest.
So why did the world in DS3 go to shit?
In DS1 you had the abyss destroying people, the lord soul holders going insane and then people going hollow because of the flame fading.
DS2 had everything go to shit due to the king being manipulated into starting an unwinnable war.
In DS3, the lords didn't really seem to go that insane (or at least no more insane than when they were made lords) and things just seem to have gone to shit for no real reason.
>>335259604
>Copying the guide word for word
>>335261365
>It was there since it's ash lake?
That's what i'm saying. Izalith collapsed on Ash Lake, the archtrees went up in flames and the waters put out the flames of Chaos.
>>335260938
What exactly is the deal with his dark and light weapons? You see the same with the Dancer.
>>335260938
He wasn't intended to be in this game.
The game itself created him out of an unused model and made him just spam R1 so people can't progress and see that From rehashed one of the worst areas of Dark Souls.
>>335261335
Hollowing seems to be a result of a lack of humanity, the dark soul. You change the sun to be of the same color scheme as humanities. If anything, I'd say it's the opposite. What do they say? Make Londor whole again? It would imply to me that the lord of hollows ending means that the dark soul would become stronger, which is paradoxical because it grows stronger the darker it is, and as a result, everyone would get their humanities again.
That probably also means that the world is fucked in a unique sort of way that only primordial serpents can pull off.
>>335261413
The lords have been awakened by the bell to rekindle the flame once again, they're unwilling to do so, so they go to their respective places.
You can see them leaving their graves in the first cinematic.
>>335261550
>dancer is undead
Well shit...
Anyhow, the dark and light is possibly a reference to lots of people in DS3 being touched by the abyss but not succumbing.
>>335261137
All the bodies in the tower have pancake eyes.
>>335261579
Makes sense. Its interesting to say the least, and makes you wonder what exactly it really means. Guess we might not ever know
The whole series, including Demon's Souls and Bloodborne are just dreams that Patches is having.
Dark Souls 2 isn't cannon, because he's not in it.
>>335261550
Dancer has some huge eyes
>>335261630
I get that but why did the kingdom fall? The lords didn't appear to leave the world in a bad shape when they initially died, even if some of them were a bit kill happy.
>>335261413
There is a reason. Lothric is an indecisive shit that doesn't want to do anything to the fire, be it let it fade or otherwise(remember that all this is a cycle but someone has to make a decision regardless).
Lothric refused to do anything. Bell of awakening rang to bring the last couple of guys who did something to do it again but they refused to do anything as well.
This is an age where the fire is puttering out completely and no one can do anything to it.
>>335261757
but Patches was in Dark Souls 2.
he was just calledChosen Undead
>>335261550
One is imbued with the power of the Profaned Flame (whatever that is), while the other is imbued with dark moon magic (like gwyndolin's stuff)
>story
lmao every dark souls is just about a badass knight who fucks shit for no reason.
>>335249182
I always thought that the profane flame was a lord soul.
Because in Pontiff lore it says he found it and somehow became uber strong from fiddling with it.
But yea there are some plot hole in my theory
What is the lore reason for the camera being so atrociously fucking bad for old demon king?
>>335261413
I believe it is because for that current cycle, the flame has been extended for far too long that they have ran out of powerful souls to rekindle the flame, so the flame revived the Lords of cinder. But even with the 4 lords of cinders, the flame you kindle at the end is tiny compared to the flame at the end of DaS1.
>>335242132
>giving a shit about story/lore in Souls games
Nice autism there faggot
>Dark Souls 1 sets up an interesting story with the encroaching darkness that is the Abyss.
>Dark Souls 2 expands that story subtly, by showing that the daughters of Manus have been manipulating great kings of different lands, apparently in order to bring the Abyss.
>Dark souls 3 drops this entirely and just repeats the story of Dark Souls 1, almost beat for beat, minus the Abyss, which was the most interesting part of the games.
Welp, I guess we'll find out in the DLC.
>>335261413
Lothric was supposed to link the flame but he didn't, Kathee convinced him.
The flame started to fade so the bell rang and awoke the Lords of Cinders and the ones with potential in order to link it again.
>>335260985
>Betrayal is the first flame getting put out for good, and as a result ending the world
I wonder where Aldia and the bearer of the curse are, they are free from the flame and will live forever even after the flame is dead.
Aldia believed that there was something beyond the flame, something that only the immortals like him and the bearer of the curse would see if they were able to cast off the sweet but cursed illusion of the flame and mortal life.
>>335261863
Bearer of the Curse*
Fucking hell anon if you're going to meme at least do it right
>>335261717
>>335261137
those are not wax seals on their eyes, those are some kind of a headwear, you can see the straps going around the head. Especially on the body where you loot the firekeeper set.
>>335261413
Everything is fine and dandy, the lords of cinder are sleeping, suddenly the fire is fading and the link between them is threatened, they wake up but they are on their own and they dont want to be sacrificed, so the Unkindled, unfit to die or become useful to the flame, they are the people who are supposed to deliver the Lords by force, so they can be sacrificed and thus, link the flame, this is my interpretation.
>>335261813
Because it was the turn of Prince Lothric to kindle the flame but he refused his fate.
>>335259827
I did the exact same thing, touching the fire felt really unintuitive when going for the Lord of the Hollows ending at the time
>>335261940
I think he's a fuckup in general. His collision is all over the place and he's impossible to circle without getting stuck on something. I've not locked on to him yet but if the camera is influenced by his collision it might be that.
>>335261137
The maiden in black was a demon who assumed human form, her only care in the world is taking care of the old one, the flame can fuck itself for she cares.
>>335261908
Good goy.
>>335262083
I think that the lord of hollows ending is actually what Aldia was looking for. It's basically fucking with the laws of the universe, and making light and darkness one and the same.
At any rate, the betrayal ending is doubtfully the end of all existence, it's just that there will be no light, and no life, and no heat. The world will just become a barren wasteland as people will gradually die, or just become very, very, very hollow.
>>335262079
What were you expecting? A possibly to end the cycle? Revert to the age of stone?
>Aldrich
>ate people
>had a great time killing them before eating them
>Road lf Sacrifices was literally to take sacrifices to him
>turns into horrid gunk
>is considered a 'right and proper cleric'
>Saint
Explain this shit. Is DS3's world really that fucked up now?
>>335262191
>touching the fire felt really unintuitive when going for the Lord of the Hollows ending at the time
Yuria is pretty specific about "TAKE THE FUCKING FIRE WHEN YOU CAN!"
>>335262218
The Old One is a tree.
When he exploded into flame, bam, that was the first flame, and the Maiden in Black was, by nature, the first firekeeper.
>>335262267
You don't fuck with a dude who eats Gods bro.
You just call him the greatest person to ever live and hope he doesn't devour you entire existence by accident.
>>335262234
>it's just that there will be no light, and no life, and no heat.
It's basically a return to the age of everlasting Dragons.
>>335262267
Might = Right. When you're a god eating abomination the moral spectrum is subject to you.
>>335262234
Both ending leads to the age of darkness. Lord of hollows is just an expansion of the betrayal ending where it shows you why the age of darkness is called the age of humanity.
Why are the statues before Lorian/Lothric so melted? They almost look like they got hit with some heatwave like everything in the Kiln.
>>335262259
>revert to the age of stone
>the 'tailbone spear' dropped by these guys suggests the 'age of dragons'
Does this help to explain the 'winged motif' you see on alot of the enemies?
>>335262234
>I think that the lord of hollows ending is actually what Aldia was looking for. It's basically fucking with the laws of the universe, and making light and darkness one and the same.
Nah. Lord of Hollows is just Jew Snake propaganda. Aldia knew that this shit was fucked and there was a proper way to fix this this.
Mark my words, the DLC will offer final ending.
>>335262267
He's a saint because he martyred himself for the first flame. BTW a lot of people seem to think Pontiff serves Aldrich, it's actually the opposite (or used to be). Aldrich used to be a cleric who served Pontiff not sure who serves who now.
>>335261385
>Where was the other item talking about how the Queen of Lothric would wander the unkempt graves?
hidden blessing
GUYS GUYS
GUYS
WHAT IF
WHAT IF BLOODBORN IS SET AFTER THE CYCLE IN DARK SOULS IS BROKEN, AND THE WORLD HAS BECOME DARK. EVERYONE IS ASLEEP BECAUSE IT'S DARK, AND THAT'S WHY EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT DREAMS AND SHIT, BECAUSE THEY'RE SLEEPING SINCE THERE'S NO LIGHT.
>>335262451
>age of humanity = age of darkness
DaS3 has the worst more backwards nonsisical lore of the series. It's fucking stupid
>>335262079
>Dark Souls 1 sets up an interesting story with the encroaching darkness that is the Abyss.
whoaa darkness is coming, grab a giant torch to avoid it. What a compelling plotline.
BTW that's the exact same plot as Demon's Souls, except it was a fog instead of the blackness, so fuck your meme subseries for doing absolutely nothing original and wasting 3 releases that From could've otherwise been making at least semi-original entries in place of.
>Paying for early access
>Paying an extra $15 to unlock the full game
>Waiting a year for a game fixing patch
Namco was a mistake.
>>335262083
At first I thought that Bearmode just went off to try and figure out how to extend the power he was imbued with by the crowns to everyone else while probably fucking Shanalotte on the side, which would lead into why some people do not naturally hollow even with the Dark Sign. But now I'm not sure if that's true or if it's just because we're special as "The Ashen One" or something. I figured that was why our Hollowing needed to be "teased out", in that it had to be done willingly.
Really Bearmode of the Curse is probably off somewhere doing nothing. Even if you won't go hollow, living forever - particularly with shit going down everywhere that can still kill you - has gotta get old after a while. Dude is probably just fed up with it and went all Heide Knight on us.
>>335261924
>I always thought that the profane flame was a lord soul.
That would again support my theory that the Profaned capital is the place where you originally put Lordvessel in DS 1 as you dumb some powerful souls in that.
>>335262502
That would imply it would end up as an endless cycle of the eternal dragons returning then a god like Gwyn and his posse killing them.
>>335262551
What do you think the lord of hollows ending is then?
>>335262436
It's not the age of ancients, because the age of ancients was just neutral, void of anything. It didn't have life or death or heat or cold or any of that. The age of dark is the age of fire, without fire.
>>335262267
the Crestfallen states that Aldrich was made Lord not by virtue but by might, i'd like to believe that because he was a powerful being he was made a Lord so he could be sacrificed, but he left his place (the Cathedral) helped Sulyvhan become the ruler of Irithyll so he could lead him to Anor Londo where he fucked shit up.
>>335262618
>It's a trivialize a game's plot and post furry shit episode
>>335262646
I assume the profane flame is another fucked up experiment to recreate the first flame that came back and bit the asses of the people who made it until Yhorm stopped it. Maybe that was how whoever Yhorm loved died.
>>335262215
mostly when he does his wombo combo, he'll drag you around for miles and you'll see nothing but demon crotch for days
but yeah, his collision is fucked, even the mace drags you around, when you're several feet below it
>>335262561
>martyred himself for the first flame
I'm so sure that he was tied up and dragged kicking and screaming to be thrown in the first flame.
And the convenient stories abut martyrdom came later.
>>335262725
>What do you think the lord of hollows ending is then?
Abyss bullshit. Even though Kaathe knew it was a bad idea, he goaded the people of Oolacile to disturb Manus's corpse that caused him to go feral.
And before that, he was responsible for New Londo going nuts and becoming a society of murderous, humanity sucking dickwraiths.
You honestly trust these fuckers?
>>335261413
>So why did the world in DS3 go to shit?
Lothric was chosen to link the flame but he was a little bitch about it and pussied out.
>profaned flame is bad
>but pyromancy's are kind of considered 'good'
>but pyro merchant implies this holy 'flame' might not be good
>abyss magic
>'deep' magic
>'moon' magic that might not be good
>embered/unkindled/hollow
This shit hurts my fucking brain
FIRSTBORN IS BEST BORN
LASTBORN IS WORST BORN
>tfw didnt even realize the fire in profaned capital was important
>>335263051
>>but pyromancy's are kind of considered 'good'
Pretty sure that pyromancy has always been more or less heretical.
>>335263023
I thought he was just a weak, sickly kid. Wouldn't that fuck with the fire if he linked it? I mean, if the fire gets stronger by people with lots of strong souls linking it, what would happen if a weak dick little shit linked it? Everyone might get AIDs or Super Hollowing or some shit.
>>335262753
>it's a mistaking lore with plot episode
Not to imply that Dark Souls has even remotely captivating lore, but it certainly has no plot.
I bet you think TW3 has a good story.
>>335263051
>guys let's invent more ridiculous shit instead of explaining the already existing ridiculous shit
I wonder if one day Fromsoft will release the documentation of the story and clear this mess up
>>335252812
Wow. That's REALLY good. I'm so happy they used Alva again. He was one of the coolest "side" stories from DaS II.
>>335263201
how it was important ?
>>335263209
>One of the last bosses of the game.
>weak, sickly kid.
>>335244363
Dungeon or the city? Happened to me in the city. I ran to the silver knights room. Had the one follow me upstairs and shielded until the three came in, saw nothing an assumed it was safe. I then proceeded to run downstairs with three silver knights after me and the 3 got their shit kicked in.
>>335262436
>>335262561
>>335262727
I still don't fucking get how they made him a lord of cinder
Did they just hand him a lord souls and was all like "we are done now"
I thought that a lord of cinder is someone that had linked the flame before
But Aldirch clrealy don't fall under that category
>>335263051
The lore in 3 is just shit. It's too reliant of self reference. Dark Souls 1 was excellent because it gave context by referencing real life shit (Manus being the progenitors of humanity in Hindu folklore for example). It's creative incest.
>>335263249
>making arguments from assumptions
dumb furposter
>CHAOS TIMELINE
>FIRST WITCH STARTS OF THE CHAOS FLAME
>EVERYTHING GOES TO HELL
>SHE BECOMES THE BED OF CHAOS ALONG WITH TWO OF HER DAUGHTERS
>DEMONS EVERYWHERE
>CHOSEN UNDEAD KILLS THE BED OF CHAOS AND PACIFIES THE CHAOS
>MANY EONS LATER
>LOST SINNER REVIVES THE CHAOS FLAME
>SINNER IS IMPRISONED FOR THIS
>IVORY KING, AN OLD FOROSSAN GENERAL FIND THE CHAOS AND BUILDS ELEUM LOYCE TO HELP CONTAIN IT
>HE AND HIS KNIGHTS LOSE THE BATTLE WITH IT AND ARE CONSUMED
>ALSANNA IS LEFT TO TRY AND CONTAIN IT AND ASKS THE BEARER OF THE CURSE TO HELP
>BotC SAVES IVORY KING FROM THE CHAOS BUT CANNOT STOP THE FLAME
>ALSANNA IS LEFT TO GUARD THE FLAME AND PRAY FOR THE LOYCE KNIGHTS
>ALSANNA COURT SORCERERS CURSE THE FLAME
>THIS TRIGGERS IT AND IT BECOMES THE PROFANED FLAME
>AT SOME POINT SULYVAHN AND YHORM ARE INVOLVED. IT'S VERY UNCLEAR FROM THIS POINT FORWARDS
>"The Profaned Flame was triggered by the curse of these women, relatives of a certain oracle, but despite their culpability, they went on living, without any cares." - Eleonora
>"The formal gold stitching suggests they may have also been oracles." Court Sorceror Robe
>"The court sorcerers used this scroll to claim heirship to Logan's legacy, though how that claim stands up to closer scrutiny is another story." - Logan's Scroll
>"Remnants of the fire that burned down the Profaned Capital, preserved in an icy skull." - Profaned Coal
>"The jailers were among the few survivors inhabiting the Profaned Capital, later serving under Pontiff Sulyvahn. Perhaps the screams emanating from the cells help them forget their old home." - Jailer Set
>>335247254
Ill accept your tight boipussy instead ;)
>>335263179
WHY DID HE LEAVE TO FUCK AROUND WITH DRAGONS
I
DON'T
GET
IT
>>335263396
>I thought that a lord of cinder is someone that had linked the flame before
No, it's basically just a buzzword for whoever happens to have a soul strong enough to feed the first flame for a little while. Aldrich and Lothric never linked the fire.
IT'S FUCKING SIMPLE
Unformed World - > Arch Trees, giant oceans, Everlasting dragons that are not living or dead, hollow like/humanlike wandering things
Beings found lordsoul, became gods
Pygmy found darksoul, became human
Lordsoul gets continously fragmented, power of everyone's lordsoul weakens
Darksoul gets stronger as lordsoul weakens
When lordsoul gets too weak, someone gathers up a huge chunk of it and burns it, lordsoul restored to power
Every time lordsoul is restored, it's a little shittier/takes more than it did last time
Dark Souls 1, cycle of linking fire begins
Dark Souls 2, cycle is getting weaker, abyss spreading
Dark Souls 3, lordsoul is at it's weakest, takes multiple lords to link fire, on it's last legs
Hollows and giants are turning into trees because the world is morphing back to what it once was, a lifeless land of archtrees and dragons. Dark Soul (abyss) is fucking with this though. Age of deep sea is probably world as it was without the lordsoul, maybe also with abyss corruption
>>335263375
He is weak. He's a cripple and do is his brother because their souls were linked in an effort to make Lothric strong (didn't work).
>>335263507
Dragons are cool
>>335263375
Isn't that what his Robes call him senpai?
>>335263415
>Ignoring the applicable line and deflecting to argue an afterthought
TW3 is applicable anyway, because it has the best dialogue of any game, and somehow the shittiest pacing and plotline ever in history.
So people akin to your dumb ass say it has the best plot ever because they have no idea how to differentiate using WORDS.
>>335262991
New Londo was not necessarily full of murderous dickwraiths, you know? It's very possible that it was a fairly prosperous city, but it was drowned and destroyed because it started dabbling in the dark, and what you see now is a result of that flooding, not necessarily the result of abyssal shit.
Oolacile is also a strange situation, because you really don't know just how much damage the oolacilians did to Manus, and how much they tortured him for him to go primordial on their asses. I mean, I'm sure that if you captured gwyn and tortured the fuck out of him, he could probably just blow up your entire city. The dark has different powers than the light, but I don't feel like it's inherently a malicious power, just that you never get to see it used in any other way.
>>335261904
Profaned flame is the magic flame of the profaned capital that came into existence when Yhorm became a lord of cinder
>>335263249
If we see the plot in relation to the main character, as what they do and what is their journey, it's simple.
But it's still there. There is a story with start beginning and end.
Help me undertsand
>Das1
>life is kinda shit, dragons are dicks
>suddenly fire
>lords souls taken and used to kill dragons
>lords start fucking everything up
>undead takes back lords souls and burns himself
>first fire has lords souls again, still there so no boring gray anymore, and dragons dead
Why would anyone take the lords souls again after this point? The dragons are dead theres no reason to
>>335263643
>and how much they tortured him for him to go primordial on their asses
They didn't torture him. They took his pendant, which sent his autistic ass into a tardrage.
>>335244061
>>335242132
Dark Firelink is the real Firelink, the seller NPC and Andre drop items there, while in the 'normal' Firelink they don't drop anything when you kill them.
It doesn't explain why you wake up in the 'normal' Firelink, though, instead of the Unatended Graves. Your coffin has a different body in it in the dark version. I imagine everyone that linked the flame is a soul inside Soul of Cinder. What we face during the game are Lords that got separated from it. By reenacting the first linking of the flame, we reunite all souls of cinder again.
The Abyss can take many forms and one of them is the Deep, just like the Fire takes many forms, one of them being Chaos.
>>335263773
They also brought him back to life.
>>335263643
>It's very possible that it was a fairly prosperous city, but it was drowned and destroyed because it started dabbling in the dark, and what you see now is a result of that flooding, not necessarily the result of abyssal shit.
The items clearly state that the four kings went nuts and started sapping everyone and everything.
>because you really don't know just how much damage the oolacilians did to Manus, and how much they tortured him for him to go primordial on their asses.
He was a corpse. And the reason they did do weird shit with his body(beside the pendant thing) was because Kaathe told them to.
Is the Old Demon King actually supposed to be the same from DaS2? What the fuck happened? He sure doesn't have that fucking Lord Soul now.
>>335263798
>Your coffin has a different body in it in the dark version.
The ashen one is literally an artificial person made from the Ashes of the dead. Ash unfit even to be cinder. The entire purpose of the Ashen One is to be a vessel for Souls to be burned.
The Ashen One is a Human Effigy.
>The timewarp doesn't happen when you go past Oceiros to reach dark firelink
>The timewarp happens each time you leave firelink at the literal end of time
"why are you here, unkindled? The bell hasn't rung yet" shrine maiden in dark firelink
FRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>335263798
deep=abyss, From just likes the idea of different NPCs\people interpreting the same thing differently.
>>335263708
>"Lonely Yhorm became a Lord of Cinder to put the Profaned Flame to rest, knowing full well that those who spoke of him as lord were quite insincere." - Cinders of a Lord
>"Yhorm is the descendant of an ancient conqueror, but was asked by the very people once subjugated to lead them" - Souls of Yhorm the Giant
>"Yhorm the Giant once held two of these, but gave one to the humans that doubted him, and left the other to a dear friend before facing his fate as a Lord of Cinder." - Storm Ruler
I think Yhorm is a descendant of the Giant Lord. But I can't figure the rest of it out.
>>335259329
But you hear a bell as you wake up, the bell has been rungin the Dark Firelink shrine
>>335263798
Gundyr only drops a Soul in the dark firelink version as well.
>>335263880
Don't you just fight the Old Iron King? Old Demon King is not the same one.
>>335263542
Oh year now that you mention it i dead read that the brothers wanted to watch the fire fade.
But still
that doesn't really explain why they didn't want to link the flame
>>335263880
no, it's basically the king of the demons of izalith
>>335263754
>Why would anyone take the lords souls again after this point?
nobody took the lord souls again. The flame is not infinite. It requires fuel. Even with all the lord souls it will eventually start to go out again.
>>335246641
I figured Champion Gundyr was too late to link the fire, and thus the age of dark came. As a punishment he had to judge each new contester for the next Lord.
Normal enemies with lore significance? Are the dog-like creatures with faces and crocodile beasts in the Boreal Valley what becomes of outrider knights once they transform? The corvian creatures show up in a few places, the most interesting being the group surrounding the grave the PC rose from in the untended graves. Anyone have an idea about this? There's only two of those weird spider curse creatures in the game, both drop rings belonging to Aldrich.
>>335263798
guys
GUYS
Souls themselves can have some kind of life/sentience
Soul of Cinder is a being created by linking the fire
I think that Dark Firelink IS the real firelink. The last cycle was broken and no one linked the fire. Soul of Cinder created the firelink you go to in order to ensure someone links the fire, and rung the bell of awakening to revive the beings that last contributed their souls to the soul of cinder. The unkindled are ashes created from linking the fire in ages past, which is why soul of cinder can revive them
>>335263976
>"The Profaned Capital was consumed by fire after Yhorm the Giant became a Lord of Cinder. The fire, born of the sky, is said to have incinerated naught but human flesh. "- Profaned Flame Pyromancy
Who is the dead guy in front of the Duke's Archives with the keyring?
>>335263754
>Life is kidna shit
There is no life before the first flame.
>Lords start fucking up
Not all of them. Nito is just chilling, and the pygmy is dead and gone. Gwyn burns himself at the kiln in order to extend the age of fire, and the witch tries to make a synthetic first flame and fails horribly, creating the bed of chaos and demons.
The Chosen Undead becomes strong, by killing the four lords, and as a result he goes to kill gwyn, and his soul is so powerful that it ignites the first flame brightly and continues the age of fire.
It's also important to note that souls seem like they're more of a physical object, and they're kind of like energy and matter in our universe. They can change form, so one guy's soul can become another guy's soul, and so on. I'd like to think that the reason the world is so fucked in DaS3 is that the process of souls moving from one host to another is lossy, so eventually ther'es just not enough souls left to ignite the first flame.
>>335263879
Your guess as to what kaathe told them is as good as mine. I'm not saying that serpents are trustworthy because the game clearly tells you they're not, I'm just saying that there is a question of just how much of the oolacile disaster is a result of kaathe and how much of it is a result of oolacilians being idiots.
>>335264246
one of the hunters you fight later. think he tried to leave and didnt make it.
>>335263986
Because they knew it was pointless. It takes FIVE lords of cinder to link the fire this time, and when the PC goes and links it he gets a little warm glow going on. Compare that to when you link the fire in DaS1 and immediately turn into a gigantic pillar of fire that melts stone. Lothric alone could not have linked the fire. He was not enough, so they blended his soul with his brother. But he still was not enough. So they revived four other souls and constructed a vessel to house them all together. And even that alone only gets a little candle.
The Fire is still going to fade, linking it only buys maybe a century or so this time. It's sputtering out, Lothric knew and decided it would be better to just let it all end.
Drang items (from Drangleic obviously) mention the land known for "the legend of the Linking of Fire". Does that mean that the linking of fire can happen in multiple lands at once and that Drangleic is not where Anor Londo is? Why would the legend of the linking of fire be related to Drangleic and not Anor Londo?
>>335263976
The Profaned Flame is the Chaos Flame, related to Izalith, right? So not the real Fire?
>>335262401
>Thine heart is fixed upon the linking of the fire, but brave usurper, I prithee, wrest the flame from its mantle
Yuria kept saying this to me and it made me think that I still had two options and touching the bonfire would link the fire
>>335264246
That's probably Blackhand Gotthard. He's a hunter for the Lothric Royalty. He gives you a unique gesture when summoned.
My interpretation of it was that this is what the cycle has become after so many attempts to link and relink the flame. Hence why the kiln now looks so distorted and fucked up.
Unkindled are, as best as I can tell, the next step up from undead - undead with the potential to link the flame.
I like the overarching headcannon I've got from my different endings throughout the series (DS1: link the fire, DS2 walk away to search for a better solution, DS3 put out the fire and bring the series to a close) but I wish all these important NPCs I definitely killed in DS1 didn't get bullshit retcons like Ornstein, Gwyndolin and Solaire.
>>335263952
Makes sense.
>>335264440
Maybe Vendrick really did steal the First Flame after all, and not something else.
>>335264440
Yes. It's the Chaos but with something done to it.
It's worth remembering that Smouldering Lake and Profaned Capital both exist underneath Anor Londo/Irithyll, so it's even consistent geographically that there's an undying flame underneath that part of the world.
>>335264440
Profaned flame is a different kind of artificial fire. Similarly fucked up, but instead of making lava and demons it seems to animate gargoyles and madden those near it.
>>335264181
So the Soul of Cinder revived us from the ashes of the fire. Does that make us the Body of Cinder?
So is the Chronological order of Souls 1,2, then 3? Or is 3 a prequel?
>>335246379
Alright, so:
What if Frampt is still pulling his bullshit of linking the fire. In the current age, linking the fire seems to be almost a pre-ordained process, with the princes being born into it, etc. So Frampt sets this whole thing up, to ensure maximum upkeep of the flame. He's revered as an angel (winged knights, statues, Gertrude seem to confirm this). However, the current princes don't fuck with that shit and don't want to link the fire, explaining why the winged knights are hostile to Lothrics armies. There's also a statue showing drooping/tree-like figures, taht seem to be in accord with the serpents. Pilgrim butterflies?
Meanwhile, Kaathe seems to be doing his same old with New Londo, only there's been a change with hollowing/huamnity etc.
I'm not sure if the cycle got broken or fucked with in some way, closing of the darkness from it? I mean, normally it's fire->dark-fire etc, but now it's fire->ash->fire->ash? If Frampt somehow cut of Kaathe from the cycle, maybe that explains why Londor is permanently hollowed and why they have to pull such wierd shit to get a new dark lord.
>>335264689
The game literally tells you that you are an empty vessel made to hold souls.
>>335263798
I don't by the "Dark firelink is the real firelink" theory
There are too manny things that sugest that it's the past
>Gundyrs amore and stuff tells us he was in fact the champion just like us at some point but he was too late in linking the fire
>If you find the eyes the little gay that makes you boss weapons tells you that they tried to hide those eyes from the currnt firekeeper
>he also tells you that he linked the fire and had seen the world without fire
>The puss of man is in Gundyr when you first fight him sugesting that he at some point had been exposed to the abyss
>>335264440
>Does that mean that the linking of fire can happen in multiple lands at once and that Drangleic is not where Anor Londo is?
Considering you don't even know if usurping the throne of want ended up linking the fire in DaS2 (all you know is your guy gets sealed away on an uncomfortable looking chair), I think it's more a way of proving the opposite. There's a LEGEND that it got linked, but nobody knows for sure.
>>335264193
>The fire, born of the sky
Is the profaned flame that shit leaking from the fucking sun?
>>335264786
>There are too manny things that sugest that it's the past
It is the past. Everything outside of the Firelink you start in is the past. the first Firelink is in the future.
>>335263976
>Long ago, when Sulyvahn was yet a young sorcerer, he discovered the Profaned Capital and an unfading flame below a distant tundra of Irithyll, and a burning ambition took root within him.
>The Profaned Capital was consumed by fire after Yhorm the Giant became a Lord of Cinder. The fire, born of the sky, is said to have incinerated naught but human flesh.
It seems contradictory. So perhaps Yhorm tried to extinguish the profaned flame by becoming a lord of cinder and then ended up making it worse? And then Sulyvahn found it.
>>335264720
>Characters areas and references to 1 out the fucking wazoo
>HEY IS 3 A PREQUEL?
Kill thyself.If you meant is it chronologically before 2, probably not, but that's called a midquel.
>>335263549
>a lifeless land of archtrees and dragons
But the dragons are dead. Only archtrees would be there.
>>335264861
No, I think they just mean the sky got filled with fire or the fire rained from the sky. If the source was the sun, that's a pretty big detail to leave out. Also, Profaned Capital is subterranean.
>>335264783
Yeah but it doesn't tell us who or what made us.
>>335263403
They just used a name.
>>335264965
Everlasting Dragons were never alive, they were made of Stone. Dragons don't have Souls.
>>335264926
>It seems contradictory. So perhaps Yhorm tried to extinguish the profaned flame by becoming a lord of cinder and then ended up making it worse? And then Sulyvahn found it.
Maybe the Court Sorcerers asked Yhorm to stop Sulyvahn from claiming the chaos/profaned flame after their attempt to curse it failed? And then Yhorm took control and nuked the humans whom he still felt angry at because of Vendrick's crimes etc?
>>335264989
Probably the first flame. Like it did by making a new firelink shrine. Like it did revive the lords of cinder.
>>335264731
Aldia. The crowns solved the issue of hollowing but made us essentially immortal.
Speaking of the sun, if the First flame is literally the first flame doesn't that mean even the sun came later.
Is the sun even a real thing floating above or is it just an illusion or some metaphysical bullshit since a gigantic ball of fire would seem to be a bit more powerful than some old campfire feeding on souls.
Or maybe they both are the first flame.
>>335264924
Why would the future be brighter than the past when the flame was fading in the 'real' world?
>>335263549
You forgot the Primordial Serpents, who, by virtue of being "Primordial" have been around since the beginning of time.
>>335264731
Frampt is definitely recognized and worshiped to some extent. Those statues confirm this. I'm not sure if he's an angel though, I thought the blue knights were hostile due to Gertrude's imprisonment in the Grand Archives.
>>335265251
Because the Flames burn Brightest just before they go out.
>>335265373
wat
>>335265246
Metaphor. Age of fire, age of darkness. Light and day etc.
>mfw Ashen one is Ocelotte
>>335261121
C'mon anybody, tell me why I'm wrong.
>>335263507
Being an edgey edgelord.
>Son, you must kill the dragons like me
>BUT FATHER I LOVE THE DRAGONS AND THEY LOVE ME
>>335264610
I don't think A Big Fucking Magical Fire is something you can steal.
But maybe he pirated it. Took a bit and left rest and used that to make his own fire at Drangelic.
>>335264805
But the throne is in an obviously ash covered kiln thing.
>>335265507
So he was a scaly?
>>335265446
Did you not finish Dark Souls 2 or something? The flames flare one last time then sputter out, Aldia even says it like 5 times.
>>335264958
Definitely not before 2. Shield of Want and some other items reference the old king of Want who was meant to link the fire, but in the end was no king at all. The laddersmith's body's in the Profaned Capital.
>>335265446
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxK9ygIxVII
>>335264924
What?
Are you saying that we time travle eatch time we go to diffrent place in 3?
If you are im gonna call bullshit on that.
>>335263507
>be god of war
>fight a shitton of dragons
>"hey this shit is pretty tight"
>maybe we shoulnd't murder literally every one of them
>daddy issues
>>335264989
I always assumed the Firekeeper, the Cutscenees in DS1 and 3 both sort of imply the current Firelink shrine keeper is the one that awakens you.
>>335265716
>>335265593
Right, but flames don't burn brighter before they go out.
>>335265716
Holy shit, Bane was in DS2?
>>335264924
Fairly sure it's the other way around, bro. It's hinted everywhere, and the most poignant one to me is Andre talking about the Giant.
>Says something to the degree of "oh, he must have died long ago"
>Andre's hammer can be found in the unkept graves
The two are clearly in two different times, but only one looks like it's aged, ragged and about to fade into darkness.
>>335263507
I forgot where I read it but it's implied he fucked with dragons AFTER he was exiled. He basically said
> well fuck it I guess I'll just ally with the dragons if the other gods don't want me
>>335265480
The item description of that coupled with the ash estus ring is pretty interesting.
Guys, the Firelink shrine we go to isn't in the past or the future. It doesn't actually exist.
>>335265943
>The two are clearly in two different times, but only one looks like it's aged, ragged and about to fade into darkness.
But when you talk to the shrine handmaiden at Dark Firelink she says "The bell has NOT YET tolled". Then makes a quip about how you may already be a prisoner like "That poor girl".
The first Firelink is the odd one out here. Dark Firelink can be walked to, it's connected to the geography of the rest of the world. The first one is not.
Why does Anor Londo still exist?
Didnt they say in DS2 that many civilisations have been built and ruined where Anor Londo once stood?
And how come NO ONE ever killed Gwyndolin if Anor Londo existed all this time?
>>335266039
not to mention that the "hidden tomb" goes almost right up to your grave in dark firelink.
>>335266156
Time is convoluted in Lordran.
>>335266138
Just wanted to post this.
>>335264989
Firelink made us. It's part of the whole "when the fire is threatened, the bell will sound" covenant.
>Fire is about to go out, nobody left to link it again
>Fire-related bullshit universe magic resurrects those who previously linked the fire and resurrects a load of vessels to ensure their essences can be gathered up one last time to burn whatever was left of them from the first time
>>335265734
He's right, though, tutorial Firelink is isolated from the rest of the world, your first teleport doesn't even take you to the bonfire right outside, but a coiled sword in that little room.
If it's not timetravel, it's an illusion, maybe like Bloodborne, regardless, it's definitely not in the same realm as the rest of the game, the fact they only let you see the back of Lothric and purposely give you no indication of how the world looks from a distance unless you leave is also an interesting sign of trying to mask the fact it's a different part of the rest of the game.
>>335266156
Anor Londo that exist in 3 is the equivalent of olympus.
>>335266156
time and space is murky
>>335266138
>Dark Firelink can be walked to, it's connected to the geography of the rest of the world. The first one is not.
Yeah no, you can't leave the normal firelink because there are cliffs all around, not because there are magical barriers there.
You can't leave dark firelink too.
Also, the first place you teleport to from the firelink shrine has a broken coiled sword sitting in a bowl and the tip of it is in the Dark Firelink shrine.
>>335266156
Because they want to pretend DaS2 happened somewhere else, even though you find bits of DaS1 in there, not to mention all the fucking lord souls are the same as in DaS1.
>>335266156
dragleic is literally another continent, you met some people from there and they are pirates/mercenaries
>>335264363
>So they revived four other souls
>they
Wasn't they brught back to life by the bell?
You are sying it like we know the people that rang the bell.
I have seen some theorys about it being automated and just start to ring when the fire is fading
Something about it first waking up the lords but they wouldn't link the flame either because reasons
So it just KEEP RINGING until someone that would could
>>335266318
And yet other people can access the firelink shrine. Clearly it is not an illusion. Maybe it is a dimension like Archdragon peak
>>335266138
Hmmm, good point. But, if real firelink is the future and not the past, why doesn't killing the handmaiden in the past make her die in the future?
Also, the poor girl she's talking about could be the first firekeeper. Just sayin'.
New theory: instead of a different time, it's a pocket dimension or similar.
>Fire about to go out
>No hope of getting anyone in on time
>They create firelink shrine as a means to gather up the lords and rekindle the fire since it's no longer possible to do in current lothric
Hence why you and everyone can meet in a random ethereal nexus but it mirrors the real world (darklink shrine) perfectly.
>>335266548
Eleum Loyce was built atop the bed of Chaos.
>>335266156
Rewatch the opening cutscene. Lothric is the "anchor" of the world and all of the other places in the distance are transient echoes of other dimensions/times. Time and reality are fucked.
>>335266616
Everyone else suspiciously teleports there though.
>>335266553
>You are sying it like we know the people that rang the bell.
>I have seen some theorys about it being automated and just start to ring when the fire is fading
Nigga they literally say this in the opening cinematic.
>>335266548
We have to take DS2 with a grain of salt since the directors of DS2 weren't Miyazaki and they initially tried to say it's on the otherside of the world, yet every goddamn comment in the game heavy handedly implies Drangleic is where Lordran was, as a sequel of the first game that was definitely their intent to make people assume it was once Lordran, the Sun Alter being the exact same fucking model and everything from Undead Parish backs this up.
>>335266639
>But, if real firelink is the future and not the past, why doesn't killing the handmaiden in the past make her die in the future?
Because that would break the game.
Looting the Silver Serpent Ring in Darklink DOES loot it in Firelink though, I can vouch for that personally.
>>335266835
>yet every goddamn comment in the game heavy handedly implies Drangleic is where Lordran was
No, Drangleic is somewhere completely different. Watch the intro for 2 again, you arrive in Drangleic by jumping down a giant whirlpool.
The thing I can't get my head around is that if 'normal' Firelink Shrine is in some different time period to everything else, then how do all the other NPCs in the game go there and talk to you in a linear timeline?
>>335266893
>Looting the Silver Serpent Ring in Darklink DOES loot it in Firelink though, I can vouch for that personally.
I'll take "Console Memory Management" for 300
>>335264731
I don't remember, did Gwynevere want you to link the fire in DaS 1? Because according to the divine blessing description and other items as well, one can imply she's the mother of Lothric, Lorian, the heavenly maid and Ocelotte (she ran away after giving birth to Ocelotte and maybe decayed / turned into Rosaria, Mother of Rebirth, since she drops tons of items that refer to Gwynevere?). It would make sense if she created a line of princes to link the fire with Oceiros. It also makes sense that the eldest princes (Lothric and Lorian) wanted to see the fire fade and thus were seen by Oceiros as unworthy heirs, which is what turned him into a mad king obsessed with the idea of creating a perfect heir, according to the items related to him.
>>335266835
The lands are converging. That is why the opening says transitory lands are converging
>>335267020
But I did it on PC.
>>335266978
The entire game is still centered around trying to tell you it could have been Lordran, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just telling you they clearly didn't know what they wanted to do with the lore because Miyazaki was off doing Bloodborne.
>>335266318
>If it's not timetravel, it's an illusion
lost me there
I can buy everything else tho
If it's not trim travle but dark firelink is, does that mean that the firelink at kiln of the first flame is the future?
>>335266835
Have fun with your headcanon, because there isn't shit to back you up.
>>335267016
It is another dimension. Similar to how dragon arch peak works.
>>335267121
You do realise they won't rewrite tons of code just so the PC version is mroe lore-friendly?
Can't wait for the lore implications for LOD pop-ins all over the place!
>>335267052
The giant illusion of gwynevere did, but the actual gwynevere left anor londo with the god of war, I think. Been ages since I read those item descriptions.
Why does the fire fuck with time so hard?
>>335264731
Makes sense that Kaathe continued to do his thing in New Londo, which could have turned into Londor, the land of Hollows, where the pilgrims come from.
Frampt being the one who stayed in Lothric makes sense as well, if you stretch it to fit this >>335267052 . I think we're getting somewhere with this thread.
The lore is that they wanted to shove as much fanservice into the game as possible and then just strung along an incoherent mess of a storyline as they went along. Stop looking into it with that much effort you fags.
>>335267221
Archdragon peak is you meditation though, not another dimension.
>>335267219
>Amazing Chest Ahead xDDDD
>>335267324
Meditation doesn't teleport you to a far off place. Unless you think everything that happened there happen in your mind.
>where the transitory lands of the lords of cinder converge
So the lands are transitory, not the lords.
Since time is way fucked up in this world would it makes sense that every kingdom is somehow "kept" as a memory and they just kinda drift about like tectonic plates.
They all swirl about the First Flame, locked in time. The flame itself serves as a pin that binds it all together. That would explain the phantom summoning, weird geography and other bullshit.
That way Anor Londo could have endured all these years and maybe "resurfaced" in Irithyll.
The mish mash of buildings and land you see in the Kiln is the REAL thing where everything is just kind of pulled together and overlapping.
>>335264786
What about the coiled sword fragment in Dark Firelink and the Coiled Sword being in Gundyr in the normal Firelink, which is used to create a bonfire? I can't remember does Champ Gundyr have the coiled sword in him at the beginning of the fight?
>>335267219
>that knight
: (
>>335267323
This is the stupid thing that I keep falling for with FROM games.
>Make a tiny, cramped, incoherent story
>Refuse to directly tell a single word of it, force people to figure it out by reading item descriptions
>Get praised for nouveau storytelling
And I fall for it every time
>>335267410
>Unless you think everything that happened there happen in your mind.
That's it. The rest of the dudes that sit around where you sit down are all flesh and blood too, they're just meditating.
>>335267410
It could be astral projection, but the mages there literally summon knights in the same animation that takes you there
so what's the deal with Undead Settlement?
>>335267410
>Meditation doesn't teleport you to a far off place
Item descriptions mention that it actually does.
>>335267506
Yes he does
Why has no one else stated that these places, Lordran, Lothric, Dranleic, could all exist literally in different overlapping dimensions. They overlap often and blend, which is why people from one place sometimes end up in another.
Dark Souls 3 has everything essentially getting sucked into the Kiln as fuel for to the fire.
In the game, the Firelink you spend most of your time in is one of an older time, the dark Firelink is essentially "present time" and the warped Firelink you get sent to at the very end is the future, where we see everything literally being sucked into the Kiln.
The reason NPCs teleport to Firelink is because they're going to the Firelink that exists in a different dimension as the one they're in. That's why we also have to teleport to it, and can't just walk.
The magic barrier at the beginning of Irithyll is a visual representation of this dimensional travel. I'm sure that when you cross that barrier, you're traveling to a different time.
What is the connection between Irithyll and Lothric (as in, why there are bosses in Lothirc from Irithyll)?
What happened to the everlasting dragons? What are the dragons currently alive and why there are several dead ones all over?
Why is Izalith filled with Capra demon corpses? Where does Old Demon King come into all this?
What's the deal with Profaned Capital? Who profaned it? Why did Yhorm choose to chill there?
How does the existence of Anor Londo fit in all of this?
Why do you need the girl to level you up? She's not a real Fire keeper, is she?
t. didn't pay attention
>>335267556
>force people
How do they do this?
>>335265496
Vaati you cuck why won't you validate my existence.
>>335267556
I actually liked that in DaS2 (well, SOTFS) they were actually pretty straightforward with the story. Vendrick is probably the most intersting cahracter in Dark Souls, because he's the one closest to a, you know, personality. Or atleast you can talk to him about shit.
So is the story in this game really so bad that a thread with 300 some posts couldn't even figure it out?
>>335267669
>Why has no one else stated
Just did
>>335267501
>>335267816
>couldn't even figure it out?
how can you figure out a story when creators don't bother to put none?
>>335267816
These threads have been going non-stop for 2 weeks man. There's easily been 20k posts on the subject so far.
>>335265878
In DaS 3, she's surprised that you woke up because she didn't hear any bells being rung, though.
Anyone got anything else on the NPCs?
Siegward's is pretty straight forward. His duty is to put down his old friend Yhorm following his resurrection.
Anri's has two paths. She can either become your spouse in the Lord of Hollows ending or can fulfill her duty, kill Aldrich and goes hollow in the Smouldering Lake.
Grierat's doesn't have satisfactory closure.
Eygon and Irina's has two paths, but Eygon just mysteriously dies in one.
Does Cornyx have a purpose other than merchant? I've bought all pyromancies and still nothing.
>>335267929
Yeah the game has seen a lot of success with normals.
>>335267323
This.
The idea of subtly telling a story through item descriptions and little details in the environment, enemies, npc's etc. works well if the story is fairly simple like in Demons' Souls and Dark Souls 1 but when you carry on the story and are now trying to shove as many references and callbacks to earlier games it now is basically the equivalent of a 16 year old's fanfiction of a souls game where most of the plot points are explained by things that seem like they are just grasping at straws and have little coherence.
Don't take it too seriously, m8s.
>>335267816
The story is purposefully vague for reasons.
>>335267695
>Why is Izalith filled with Capra demon corpses?
Because all the demons are dying.
>Where does Old Demon King come into all this?
He is an Old King of the Demons that hasn't died yet.
>>335268001
Summons was a mistake
>>335267695
The fire keeper is real, I think the leveling is just a gameplay change. Izalith is..I don't know if it's the smouldering lake, but demons aren't unique, there are several stray demons etc. The chaos flame is slowly dying, and the Old Demon King is probably just the oldest and strongest of the dying demon breed.
I suspect all the dragons you see in the game are fake, or artificially created.
Take the two guarding the bridge. Both die when you kill that black blob connected to them, and disappear without a trace. I'd wager that's the only part of them that's "real", or atleast the core/heart of the dragon.
Now, there are a shitton of dead dragons on the high wall. We seem black particles emanate from them, carried by the wind. The whole area is probably steeped in them, and when a you absorbs enough of them, you get exploded into a pseudo-dragon or something.
>>335267219
Isn't there a picture of Nasandra in that room? A smaller version of the one from DS2?
>>335267630
I think they capture people here and send through road of sacrifices to Cathedral of the Deep for Aldrich to eat them.
>>335266138
The prisoner she mentions could be the Fire Keeper you get the clothes off of in the fire keeper tower behind the firelink shrine, which could imply that the dark version is the future (or present) and that the 'normal' firelink is the past.
Or maybe she's talking about the Heavenly maid who consorted with angels and was imprisoned for being a heretic in Lothric Castle, which is right next to the Dark Firelink shrine, which would make it the real firelink shrine.
Archdragon Peak is the old Northern Undead Aslyum
>sun in the same location at the summit
>area probably in the same location
>makes sense that all of the undead that got trapped there just ascended into dragons
Still doesn't make sense how the elder dragon tree literally got taken there and suspended from the ceiling
Another theory:
ALL of the trees in dark souls were former hollows
Remember the opening cinematic of DS1 with the black pit and all of the hollows? They just were just laying there for years and became huge trees
>>335267501
Yea that would be the most logica thing.
But i still don't fucking know what the Kiln really is
People in this thread seem to have mostly agreed that Dark firelink is the past
But what does that make the Kiln?
>>335267816
If it wasn't for that, it would the same as always. A random asshole kills strong things to gather souls and then uses himself as fuel to strengthen a fire.
Dark Firelink is literally the only thing that makes the story confusing. And it is mostly inconsequential in the long run.
>Join Rosaria.
>Can't be reborn as female.
Why else would you join such a covenant?
>>335268170
or they just got some parasites in them that killed them, but manage to get some control over their dead bodies.
Like thos exploding man-pus hollows.
>>335267816
The story is simple. It's the surrounding lore that's vague and needed to be pieced together from tiny hints.
>>335268297
Except Ludleth literally describes the player character and Firekeeper as prisoners.
>>335268178
Something something tree worship. I think it's stated that the places attracted curses, which were put into the tree - which however could only hold so much CURSE.
There seems to be a tree connection generally - lots of ded hollows in chairs, half-transformed to tree. Other than that it's the standard hollow population and cleansing inquisition you'd see, I think.
>>335266156
Anor Londo is ruined, though. Irythill is where Anor Londo was, that area you go to is literally only the anor londo cathedral, not the whole map.
>>335268149
they honestly were
>>335268321
The Kiln could just be the real place where the First Flame resides. The same place that was in DaS 1 .
The different times and places just keep piling up and bury the true Firelink Shrine and the Kiln in the depths.
I'm one of the people that agree that the Shrine where you first walk up to is an illusion of sorts, maybe made by Ludleth or someone else.
>>335266893
Looting it in firelink also loots it in darklink. We also see the same player written messages (I wrote a few there in normal firelink and they were still there in darklink). It's for memory management.
>>335246641
>Champion Gundyr was originally a Lord of Cinder, but the little guy went back in time and usurped the title from him so the Fire could be linked.
please never post this retarded head canon ever again
>DaS 1
>humanity is fuel for self claimed gods electricity
>DaS 2
>self claimed gods are gone, abyss whores fucked men to perpetuate calamity.
>DaS 3
>God's back, need fuel for rusty generator, everybody gets woken up that did and did not pay the electric bill.
>>335246641
The only thing that bothers me is why everywhere the sky is okay or showing a blood sun, but when you go in untended graves, suddenly there's nothing
>inb4 skies differences between anal rodeo and lothric
>>335268640
>real place
>The same place that was in DaS 1 .
so in a weird crater you teleport to from somewhere underground?
>>335255830
>>335255486
>ornstein going anywhere
but you killed him in the first game?
>>335268378
Also if you kill the handmaiden she says to be a slave for the place too.
There seems to be some kind of system, a curse or magic on the Firelink Shrine that tries to make sure that fire is linked.
>>335268832
I'm not sure skies matter, turning Andor Londo to night in DS1 doesn't make other areas such as Undead Parish/Undead burg suddenly night, they and firelink remain in the daytime while it's Night up top and down below in darkroot...
>>335268640
I really can't see why anyone would make the first firelink as an inllusion.
What would anyone have to gain by that?
It doesn't even make sence since the firekeeper can show up in 2 of the endings
>>335267323
>>335267556
>>335268017
They're artificially making it so you can't piece together a full picture. It's made so you can make your own headcanon and that's not a problem, it's the way the game was designed to be. Your headcanon is the real canon, don't worry about finding an objective truth. The game has tons of unreliable narrators as well, just enjoy the pieces of the story you have and create stories to fill the gaps.
If they wanted to tell a normal story, they would.
>>335268794
>>DaS 1
>>humanity is fuel for self claimed gods electricity
Except Gwyn's first plan was to burn himself, not burning random passerbys.
>>335268997
it was a hologram
>>335242132
>all this time I thought the dude on the cover was you
>turns out it was the final boss of the game
What the fug.
>>335269081
>What would anyone have to gain by that?
Getting some stupid AShen schmuck to link the Fire when it's not going to last anyway.
>>335268312
>makes sense that all of the undead that got trapped there just ascended into dragons
what
>>335269334
it's the hottest new meme. Hollows now turn into dragons for whatever reason.
>>335268328
>inconsequential
>Artorias gear is in it
>Champion Gundyr (the Gundyr version that actually drops a soul) is in it
>coiled sword fragment instead of the full coiled sword in normal firelink
>there's a third firelink that leads into the kiln
The dark firelink shrine in DaS 3 is literally the dark underground in DaS 1, the center being where you put the lordvessel in Dark Souls 1.
>>335263260
But they already explained everything
>>335269205
Well when you say it like that.
But if it is an illusion where is it located?
or are you fan of it just being isolated pocket of time like the nexus in demonsouls?
OK you guys can feel free to call me retarded but could Irithyll become Yarnham far into the future? The Crocodile Dogs are non-undead/flaming Watchdogs of the Old Lords and they are Sulyvahn's dogs and Sulyvahn could go down in a history as a lord in folklore far into the future. Fire Witches (like ones in irithyll) are also Keepers of the Old Lords.
Irythill obviously looks like Yarnham, the church has the biggest influence on the area, and the knights are turning into beasts in the EXACT same manner as beasthood in Bloodborne (they go from mad gangly long limbed people to crazy fucked up werewolf monstrosities). You can also see what looks like archtrees in the hunter's dream of BB and there are knight corpses in the chalice dungeons.
Maybe Yarnham is far future irithyll, or maybe Yarnham is an alternate universe where the chosen undead didn't link the flame and so the gods died out and human technology flourished.
>>335269334
>>335269431
I just thought of something
>Legit Dragons canonically have no Souls
>Humans natural form is Hollows
>Aldia successfully turned Humans into Dragons
>Oceiros continued this work
What if Hollows are just the larval form of Everlasting Dragons? That would explain a lot actually.
>>335269431
It's not actually impossible.
Think about it, the hollows turned into those black abomination creatures, and we see those black abomination creatures latched on to two dragons later in the game, almost like the dragons are a part of them.
The hollows worship the dragons, like they aspire to become them, and it looks as if they can.
>>335269560
I'd say it's a pocket dimension. It could just be a memory like Giants memories in DaS2 though.
>>335269431
Aldia did it.
>>335269431
Because dragons are cool and humans suck. Would you prefer to chill in Archdragon Peak or live in fucking Undead Settlement and be fed to Aldrich eventually?
>Horsehoof ring description poking fun at Patches' predictable trick and anyone who still fell for it
>>335265480
Probably not. Each class you can pick from at the start has a little blurb explaining how they arrived in lothric.
>>335244061
it's the past, read the description for Gundyr's armour
>>335269565
different univereses dipshit. Literally not even possible. Different IP's and everything
How come you don't have a Dark Sigil to begin with in this game? I know that's the reason you can't go hallow, but why don't you have one?
>>335269181
Or you after killing the final boss and wearing his armor. Póetry.
>>335269775
Because Shanalotte, Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse cured the Darksign in 2.
>>335268832
>>335269058
>das
>night time in dark root
>day time everywhere else
>even after anal rodeo magic gone
>das2
>day time basically everywhere but sinner's rise
>bloodborne
>bloodmoon has no effect on several areas including the woods, hemwick charnel lane, and the castle
they've made it abundantly clear in these games that they make no effort to keep time of day/sky effects constant, you're retarded if you after all of this you still read too much into them
>>335269565
It can't because one IP is owned by Sony and another one is owned by Bandai Namco. Dark Souls can only be related to Dark Souls, but Demon's Souls could in some way be related to Bloodborne if they wanted to do so, since DeS and BB are owned by the same company.
>>335269727
If you wanted to stretch the idea that the canon protagonist from each game is always a Knight (Since it's always the default)
The Ashen one was just some obscure knight of poor renown that collapsed and died with no gift.
>>335269857
I never finished 2. How did they do that?
>Fallen Knight set has piss stained pants
>>335269767
yeah but irithyll in yarnham are so similar I think theory that it's an alternate universe if chosen undead ushers in the age of dark could be the case.
They'll never officially say anything about it for legal reasons but they could imply it.
>>335242132
Dark Souls never had any real lore. And no one ever wanted it, but after Vati that faggot started making the epic lore videos people forced their fanfiction into Soul games.
What's his problem ? Who the fuck is he ?
>>335269578
But that would imply that in the beginning, when only archtrees and dragons existed, hollows were there as well.
What about the Pygmy and the dark souls?
>>335269962
Something to do with the DLC crowns. I can't remember exactly why, but when you combine them all you stop hollowing, effectively breaking the curse.
>>335269975
>it's also one of the msot popular sets for people to wear
>yfw normies wear shit-stained breeches
>>335269181
>You can't get his amor before kill him
This makes me so sad. I always made my first run with the "canon armor".
>>335265308
those primordial statues have wings so i'm guessing they are the angels.
>>335269857
I don't think you just could "cure" the curse. But maybe the Bearer of the Curse bears it for us all now. Like he somehow took it away from everybody else and unto himself since he's immune so he wouldn't even give a fuck.
>>335269565
stopped reading after first sentence. they're different IPs which different companies have rights to, there will NEVER EVER be a crossover. any similarities you see in the game are more likely than not just reused assets because from is lazy
>>335270065
Autism, he's the final form of all dexfags
>>335270065
Sword Master, he's been waiting for a worthy opponent ever since Gundyr died.
Guys be honest with me, I never played any dark souls game before, so should I start with this one? It is hard right? Should I play Bloodborne too? I saw this on steam but where can I find bloodborne, is it origin exclusive shit?
>>335269857
>>335269775
Wrooong. The dark sigil and the darksign are two different things. You have the darksign at the beginning of DaS 3, you can even use it to teleport back to bonfire, like in previous games.
>>335269857
>>335270139
>>335269775
but you literally start DaS3 with the dark sign in your inventory
>>335262083
>>335262641
I like the theory that the Ashen One is in fact the Bearer of the Curse. And that he isn't just some random undead climbing out of his "grave" at the beginning of the game, but rather him waking up because the time is right for him to "go beyond" light and dark, aka the Lord of Hollows ending.
>>335270150
it's probably more just an homage than laziness, they could reuse assets without making one whole area blatantly Bloodborne themed.
>>335269962
The Bearer of the Curse, as Monarch, gathered the 4 crowns and bears the curses of all Hollows, comforted by Emeraldwaifu with the qt irish accent.
the Darksign is still there, but the effects are transposed onto the Monarch.
>>335269862
Woods, hemwick charnel lane and the castle have the same sky, though. Only the nightmares and hunter's dream have different skies.
>>335270285
Shh, less facts more baseless assumptions and speculation.
y no respnd
>>335269181
yeah i think that was a purposeful "holy shit" moment since every other game gave you the cover armor
>>335270287
The Ashen one isn't real. "Ash unfit even to be Cinde"r. He/She is a construct made of literal Ashe created to be a vessel of souls.
>>335270243
I think BB is definitely the best one but it isps4 exclusive
Dark Souls 1 is the perfect starting point, after that play Dark Souls 3 and then if you want more pirate dark souls II scholar of the first sin.
People meme it up because it's popular now but the Souls series is really one of the best series ever in my opinion, certainly the best series to begin post 2006
>>335270243
Begin with dark souls 1, you can skip 2, then 3.
Bloodborne is a must if you own a ps4 but its not connected (apparently) to souls world.
it's all one big metaphor for homosexuality according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz8KJYpRh28
and it mades sense
you suck the life out of bosses, and become a flamer
and it burns when you pee,
i peed last night and blood came out
this game must be stopped
>>335270381
but they share a sky with yharnam which gets a big fat red moon after rom
>>335270287
The whole point of the Souls games is that you're always an average nobody who rose up to legendary status by facing gods and lords.
>>335244061
Regular firelink isn't real. Much like the hunters dream, and the intended graves js the real shrine. And it could not be firelink at all, it's just what we call it in the fake firelink
>>335270462
>>335270498
Thanks anons, thank god I have a ps4 here somewhere, time to take it out of the dust!
Why are there no statues here?
>>335264020
>The flame is not infinite
I don't remember who, but someone in DaS said that even when the fire goes out there will always be an ember waiting to be lit.
>>335270243
Ayy lmao
>>335270285
The hollowing effects seems to be innactive before the dark sigil tho.
>>335270582
and they get red too (except the castle)
>>335270243
if you're planning to play them all no matter what, then start with DeS and play in release order
if you just want to play one, then get DaS3 now and enjoy the fact that pvp/summoning is extremely active right now as that's a pretty unique experience
So basically
Aldrich found Nito's corpse and ate it
Pontiff started working with him and they invaded Irithyll with Pontiff's forces and Aldrich's cult
Pontiff locked Gwyndolin in a cage and let Aldrich eat him
3 bridges Dark Souls and Bloodborne. Dlc will eventually add flintlocks and primitive muskets. Screencap this.
>>335270802
Pontiff is the biggest sack of shit in the entire Souls universe.
>>335270741
i'm positive the moon at hemwick charnel lane does not get red (that only sticks out to me because you can see it so clearly over the water near where you go to the castle) and i'm pretty sure the woods don't
>>335269675
Okay so what would you say as a rebuddle to me
Because i think it more likely to be time travle bullshit
All of the game takes place at the in the time exept dark firelink which is the past.
And the kiln which takes place in the future and all of the land has converged so much that it all has just become a giant mess
>>335270802
>Aldrich found Nito's corpse and ate it
what the fuck are you basing this on. really any of that, but especially the nito part
>>335270802
Aldrich ate Gwyndolin and saw Nito in his memories, then constructed and illusory sword based on that.
Likewise for the Lifehunt scythe. He saw it in the memories and created and illusory version.
>>335270841
bloodborne IP is owned by sony computer entertainment. the only way DLC is going to connect the two games is if the DLC is PS4 exclusive. which definitely wont happen.
>>335271014
Well, his body is made of Nito and Gwyndolin, two corpses.
And he uses a pink gravelord sword on a stick.
>>335271018
Huh, that's interesting. What about the lower part of his body?
Also doesn't that imply that Gwyndolin knew Priscilla?
>>335270802
Nito doesn't exist since DaS1
>>335271232
His lower body is basically goo.
>>335270856
Why? He's probably the only pure evil character.
>>335267653
No he doesn't. Iudex does but champ doesn't.
>>335263179
I want to be gwyndolin's brother and comfort him.
>>335271232
>Huh, that's interesting. What about the lower part of his body?
That's Aldritch, not Nito. He's black slime with half digested people stuck in him.
>Also doesn't that imply that Gwyndolin knew Priscilla?
Of course he did. Who do you think locked her away in the Painted World?
>>335271232
His lower body is Aldrich. Watch the opening cinematic, he comes out of the grave as a gigantic sludge wave.
>>335269181
Considering how time is fucked is the only way to make sense of everything, Soul of Cinder is possibly you, just from an ending where you choose to link the fire instead of snuff it out or steal it, your character even takes his same sitting position in the very end of the game should you link it
>>335249182
yhorm has a face, even though giants don't. so he's something like a half giant.
>Yhorm is the descendant of an ancient conqueror, but was asked by the very people once subjugated to lead them, serving as both a weighty blade and a stone-hard shield.
vendrick invaded the giants. so maybe he's a descendent of vedrick? or maybe it's the other way around and he's a descendent of the giant lord or someone else unrelated. they both make sense. it depends on whether his subjects are men or giants.
>>335271232
again, where are you getting this shit about Nito from? just that his weapon vaguely looks like a recolor of the gravelord sword except as a scythe? that doesn't sound like reaching at all
lore fags like you are literally the worst
>>335271360
you just answered you own question buddy
>>335271360
and that's why we love to hate him
>>335271371
Oh sorry may bad i just thought of Index
But you Gundyrs item description say he chose to becaome a sheet for the coild sword in hopes of someone linking the falme agian.
Now that i think about it it makes more sence that the first firelink you wisit is an illusion now because nobody had pulled the sword out of him when you first arrive
Fuck
>>335269978
Your best implication is how manus apparently sucked this asshole in from some distant land, and he quick steps around rather than rolling. but you'll never get an answer to that so its all headcanon
irithyl doesnt look that much like yarnham, beyond being large built up stone cities with lots of spires
>>335271505
>just that his weapon vaguely looks like a recolor of the gravelord sword
>vaguely
It's 100% the same weapon. The same fucking model, with all the bones and shit.
>the plot of Dark Souls is just you bringing fuel to a fireplace
>>335271381
>bara God of War
>not bullying pussy trap god of magic
pfffffft
>>335271889
it looked a lot like yarnham and the knights there were turning into beasts exactly like in BB, and their are enemies that are just like watchdogs and keepers of the old lords, creatures said to be from an age past.
Did you know you can break the Stray Demon's legs off and he crawls around with his hands?
Anyone else notice that the dead body next to the Profaned Capital bonfire is the ladder autist from Dark Souls 2?
Take note of all the ladders in the area, as well.
>>335271927
>everything could have been resolved if Gwyn just went and chopped some firewood
>>335242132
Dark Souls 3 and Dark Souls Lore in general is really hard to understand and quite honestly not worth understanding
Bloodborne Lore and story was amazing. Starts off as. Helsing Hunting Monsters and then turns into LoveCraft the moment you get into Brgyenworth to the end of the game and DLC.
Bloodborne 2 when.
>>335272158
>Gwyn refused to leave the Kiln because his family is fucking nuts.
>One son is a fag
>Other son is a furry
>Daughter fucked off to some foreign land
>>335271889
The answer is Miyazaki went straight from DS1 to Bloodborne while the other team were working on DS2, so that guy is simply a nod or maybe even just a test case, I had that thought way back when we first saw Bloodborne trailer stuff and immediately thought of this guy with his candle.
>>335257216
>Key to the main entrance to the Grand Archives of Lothric.
>With the fire fading, and the spreading pus of man tainting the castle, the Grand Archives closed its doors for good.
>Today, only a few of its keys remain. This one likely belonged to Gotthard, one of king's Black Hand, who fled the castle.
>>335272292
it's also likely that BB may not have always been planned as exclusive, he may have originally intended to connect them. Gascoigne also said Umbasa in the alpha.
Well see you guys in the next lore thread
With eatch thread i get a bigger understanding of things
I don't know about you guys but i wont stop until i get some actual closure
>>335272281
Dark souls stated out like that but look where we are now.
Don't wish for sequels kid
>>335261137
You cunt demons souls has zero to do with dark
Different universes lmao
>Priscilla is still the painting
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