Arthas did nothing wrong. Why does Illidan get a holy redemption while he gets nothing?
neoblizz is retarded m8 its best to just consider all their games after vanilla wow to be fanfiction
>>335219934
>Illidan gets NAARUD instead of Bolvar
>Bolvar STILL doesn't get to do anything but give some fags their weapons
I will never understand
>>335219934
>Hire mercs to destroy your forces ships
>Blame the mercs soldiers pissed off and kill mercs
>Men can't go back home when they want to
>OP says Arthas a good boy he didn't nuffin
>>335219934
His death and separation from the crown was his redemption.
>>335219934
HAHA le Arthas did nothing wrong meme XD
but arthas did pretty much everything single thing wrong after stratholme
>>335219934
Because he took it one step to far by going to northrend
>>335222058
>Bolvar STILL doesn't get to do anything but give some fags their weapons
except remake the 4 horse men and possibly KT
>>335223267
>making mistakes and poor judgement calls is grounds for being un-redeemable
>meanwhile Illidan gets a free pass on genocide, murder, kidnapping, probably rape, using demon magic, consorting with demons, being a fucking elf
>>335223679
Ilidan is still a fucktard but is better than Arthas becuase everything Arthas did was already planned for for him to become litch king.
>>335223808
And that's exactly why he's innocent you fucking turd
>>335219934
Because undead are irredeemable in the eyes of the holy light
Even if Blizzard tried to redeem Arthas, what could they possibly do after that Lich King fiasco? At least Illidan's still alive.
>>335223859
>He was warned not to go after Mal'Ganas
>He was warned not to take frostmourne
>Still innocent
Reminder that everything he did was to protect his people. Yes, he did some stupid shit. But he always had the people of Lordaeron in his heart. Ner'zhul set him up to pick up the runeblade that would steal his soul. He wanted to defeat the Scourge, unaware of the machinations that led to his downfall. His only crime was being young and naive.
>>335223267
>>335223384
Arthas should've just left Mul'Ganis to his own devices? Really Arthas' only problem is that Warcraft is a setting where swords can take over your personality.
>>335224459
>implying he could have known the consequences
>implying he would have abandoned Muradin if he still had his soul
>implying you're not a screeching Illidan fanboy
>>335223528
The 4 horsemen selection is garbage. I don't even understand the significance of the horsemen.
Really the biggest hurdle I see with Arthas getting a redemption arc is the fact that he's fucking dead
>>335224004
Argent crusade begs to differ
>>335223859
Just because he was put on this path doesn't mean he is free of responsibility. He could have turned around and went home and help his land heal from the scourge and guard against it but he chose the path of revenge and it consumed him. All men are responsible for their actions and Arthas is no exception.
>>335224652
So was Illidan but he's coming back somehow. All they need is an asspull gimmicks like a fragment of frostmourne so has his soul in it
>>335224320
>>335224652
>make a thread about redeeming arthas
>spend entire thread arguing why he needs to be redeemed without addressing how it would be possible considering he's not even alive
>>335224702
The Argent crusader's teaching and what the Light actually does are entirely different things
>>335224467
His crime was choosing the path of vengence. I could have accepted his slaughter of a town already infected because that can be justified. But his thirst for vengence set him on the path to his own death.
>>335224763
You can't just turn around at that point. His viewpoint is as a leader, and you can't seriously tell your men to pack up and go home, by the way your buddies died here for nothing.
And Arthas' motivation wasn't revenge. He wanted to save his people and in his mind the only way to accomplish this was slaying Mal'Ganis. You can't damn him for doing his duty and not knowing the consequences.
>>335224467
>His only crime was being young and naive
>"His essence rushed to her, desperate, then shrank away in horrified recognition. The boy who would be Lich King. Just a scared little blond child, reaping the aftermath of a lifetime of mistakes."
>>335224559
Everyone warned him not to so yes.
>>335219934
He didn't get nothing as well,just a miserable undeserved death
>>335224561
No I hate both of them but he was warned not to.
>>335224640
>I don't even understand the significance of the horsemen
Maybe you shouldn't discuss lore then
>>335224934
And why should he have trusted them? Uther and Jaina turned their backs on him, and who's to say that Muradin knows better than him. I mean in retrospect Muradin was right, but retrospect doesn't count for much.
>>335223528
>Possible Kel'Thuzad
>Kenan and Kel'Thuzad comes back
>"It's been too lon- wait who the fuck are you? You're not Arthas, how the fuck am I supposed to believe the ruler of the Undead is some burnt crash test dummy?"
If not for illidan, the sunwell would have never been created and kelly t would never have been resurrected to start the next legion invasion
>>335225169
Uther is old as fuck and wise. Jaina is the apprentice of the strongest Mage on Azeroth. How could they not be trust worthy?
>>335225290
They also made the wrong call at Stratholme. The purge was the only reasonable thing to do, they just didn't have the stomach for it. Arthas was right to think they weren't cut out for the war they had to fight.
>>335224459
Thats some angry wolf
>>335225385
The purge was justified but doesn't mean you can't throw someone's advice in the trash.
>>335219934
Are you me? I loved Arthas and the Lich King. Was so disappointed how they ended Wrath without redeeming him. They imply pretty heavily that without his control the Scourge would have wrecked shit. Not only does he die without redemption, but he ends up going to Warcraft hell for all eternity.
Then frost dks get to kill his soul again.
Meanwhile fucking Illidan of all people gets a second chance despite trying to destroy the planet.
I think Metzen, or one of those coked out assholes just personally hates Arthas.
>>335221567
This.
>>335225524
How should Arthas have known that Uther was wrong about Stratholme but right about Northrend? The only real answer is that Arthas was railroaded by the plot; that is, he was fucked solely by the fact that Warcraft is a setting where a sword can take over your personality. None of his decisions were wrong in themselves, he just didn't know what kind of world he was dealing with.
>>335225679
>implying vanilla WoW wasn't fanfiction-tier garbage too
>"that sexy noble lady is actually a dragon!"
>>335225227
>Implying KT gave a fuck about Arthas
>Implying Arthas wasn't second in command during warcraft 3, and that KT was serving Ner'zhul by this point
Failed to even be funny 0.5/10
>nerzhul as the lich king was creating an undead army to fight the burning legion
He didnt do anything wrong either.
>>335225642
We DON'T KNOW if Illidan is redeemed yet
We DON'T KNOW the real intentions of Illidan on Outlands yet, as it's supposedly to be revealed in legion
Uther the Lightbringer says:Arthas...
Uther the Lightbringer says:Alas, hero of Azeroth, you give me a greater gift than you know.
Uther the Lightbringer says:Long have I struggled to forgive the prince for his terrible transgressions.
Uther the Lightbringer says:My soul has been wracked with unbearable anxiety, dark thoughts... distancing me from the Light.
Uther the Lightbringer says:I recall clearly the gleam of pride in his eye as he stood before me, eager to defeat the enemies of the Light...
Uther the Lightbringer says:Eager to defend his people, no matter the cost.
Uther the Lightbringer says:It is this memory of Arthas that I choose to keep in my heart.
Uther the Lightbringer says:I shall always be in your debt, friend.
Uther the Lightbringer says:Thank you.
>>335225756
>If it wasn't for Arthas throwing Kel'Thuzad in the Sunwell his ass wouldn't even be around
0/10 there wasn't even an attempt
>>335225821
if nerzhul was trying to destroy the legion why did he start the legion invasion?
>>335219934
Because he was a racist white man instead of special snowflake night elf, not even joking.
>>335222662
>arthas then kills his entire army himself and rezzes them as his army to storm lordaeron
>>335225918
>Imblying that it wasn't a team effort of Ner'zhul and Arthas
>>335225957
He didn't have much of a choice considering the dreadlords were watching everything he was doing. But the moment the legion was defeated he already had a plan to get out of there.
>>335225740
Even his men were like "what the hell are you doing Arthas lets go home". Arthas should have known something was wrong if the fucking sword has a skull on it.
>>335226014
Same person
so what was his plan exactly? solo the entire scourge/burning legion with frostmourne? sure it's a powerful relic but he'd just get drowned in enemy bodies. he should have returned home and raised a fuckton of soldiers to combat the impeding invasion
>>335225017
That's still nothing compared to Admiral Proudmoore
>being betrayed by your own dauther and killed in front of her by some nignog dindunuffin
>>335226087
>if the fucking sword has a skull on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU
>>335225747
Deathwing did the same thing in WCII.
>>335219934
Uthers bicep is as big as his head, is he natty?
>lose around 6 million subscribers
>make a desperate call to old fans and resurrect one of their most popular character Illidan
>not listening to your fans
>"You think we do, but you don't"
>>335223679
literally everything illidan did up until fucking off to outland, he did to help his people.
>demon magic
to repel the demons and aszhara
>consorting with demons
to stop the lich king
>genocide
fair, but mostly shit metzen writing
>murder
he's a soldier
>kidnapping
for the greater good.
arthas, meanwhile, willingly sold his soul for power--by the time he picked up frostmourne, he'd stopped caring about his people and just wanted to BTFO of mal'ganis.
he then went on a killing spree, single-handedly annihilating both lordaeron and quel'thelas, then summoning demons who BTFO of the kirin tor, nordrassil, and ashenvale, as well as killing the night elves patron demigod.
>>335226093
No, not until he put on the armor/ascended the frozen throne
>>335226147
And then years later, your island gets nuked by those nignog dindunuffins and your daughter realizes TOO LATE that just because she has a lusting for thick green cock doesn't mean they're not animals.
>>335226174
He's juicing up on holy light
>>335224467
the only two things he did for the people of lordaeron were wipe out stratholme and chase mal'ganis into northrend. by the time he grabbed frostmourne, he was doing it entirely for himself.
>>335226093
at the time, arthas was being guided by ner'zhul, who was in the sword.
they didn't merge until he put on the helm of dominion and sat on the frozen throne.
>>335226256
Don't forget Illidan betrayed his brother and people by siding with the Highborne, and bottled the waters of the well so that it could be recreated.
>>335226087
So commanders should defer to their men if they get antsy? Make sure to let the army know that they should change "away without leave" and "desertion" to the more reasonable "left the stove on" and "on holiday." And to be fair to skulls, I mean, swords are only for one thing. Or is this going to turn into a gunfag thing about how swords are really tools, look you can even open cans with them.
>>335225642
My niggah. Arthas is the greatest character in all of Warcraft. He was the rightful King of Lordaeron and of the Kingdom of Azeroth (only oldfags will know about this). May his soul rest in peace.
>>335226453
>Illidan betrayed his brother and people by siding with the Highborne
as I recall that was a feint in order to get stronger so he could BTFO of archimonde and aszhara himself.
he wanted to recreate the well of eternity because it was powerful as fuck and he wanted to be able to defend his people.
remember: until he got demonically empowered, the night elves, even with the demigods, earthen, tauren, and gnolls, were losing to the highborne and demons.
Name ONE thing he did wrong
>>335226513
This scene was worst, Varian totally cucked out this time, at this point Azeroth could be civilized world but no, let's war with niggers for all eternity.
>>335226559
Are you sure about it being a feint? Or was that in the original time line without Brox and the rest of the crew?
>>335226595
Killed Cairne
>>335226476
If you resort to deception to get loyalty from your men you are not a good leader. And if you noticed in anything a skull means evil alert it's not hard.
>>335226595
Fucked up his own people who disagreed with him instead of expalining why is his tactics better.
Didn't anyone else find this retarded/
>random paladin stands up to the dude that controls almost every undead on the planet
>>335226797
He had the Plotbringer. From that moment I knew they were gonna pull something stupid out of their ass to kill Arthas.
>>335226797
Ashbringer bruh
>>335226671
Desertion used to be a capital crime. Is that better than Arthas' deception? Also, the semiotics of skulls are culturally dependent, Frostmourne is an ancient sword, and if skulls actually mean evil then you must be fucking paranoid at Halloween. But why should Arthas assume Frostmourne follows a spotty reading of 21st century American symbolism?
>>335226627
pretty sure in the original timeline he still turned on the highborne because of his waifu tyrande.
then again, bronze dragonflight shenanigans are bullshit, and who's to know if that ISN'T how it originally went down?
>>335226595
>challenged one of the wisest leaders of the horde to combat because the guy didn't like how he was running to war
>goaded varian into combat on neutral ground
>led a bloody campaign through pandaria, up to and including using children as labour, fucking up a sacred grove for no other reason than because he could, and fucked up his own soldiers with sha energy
>used his own soldiers as cannon fodder for no reason other than they weren't his chosen orcs
>tried to assassinate one of the most loyal leaders because he didn't want to use despicable methods to get stronger
>>335226797
>random paladin stands up to the dude that controls almost every undead on the planet
the strongest remaining paladin of the order of the silver hand, wielding a hilariously overpowered sword that turns undead into ash with just its mere presence?
>>335226797
>random paladin
He's literally the most powerful paladin who ever lived. He might as well be the Light.
>>335226797
>random paladin
someone doesn't know lore
>>335226898
arthas knew when he took frostmourne that it was cursed, muradin read him the inscription.
>>335226964
>He might as well be the Light.
nah, that's velen.
>>335226964
Fuck off, Uther and Turalyon shit all over him
>>335227002
What sacrifice is too great to make for one's people? "The one that turns out badly," basically.
>>335226513
This might be one of the worst scenes in any game ever.
The only reason he doesn't do it is to keep the game going. It's such a tortured plot.
>>335219934
Maybe in the next x-pac.
> Ayylmao lets slaughter everyone
> Hold on now, you're asking me to slaughter citizens.
> IM THE FUCKING PRINCE OOGA BOOGA GIBSEMEDAT
Should have quarantined and waited for them to turn, then let Uther and his like 40 thousand knights that the day before wiped out 4 FUCKHUEG scourge bases sweep through.
Or just kept quiet, demolish malganis' pissweak fuckbase and then be all "Oh no everyones zombies, what're we gonna do!"
Dissolving 90% of your military power and the most revered, strongest paladin and two time saviour of the human race just because "B-BU- IMMA PRINCE!" is literally retarded no matter how you slice it.
Also those zombies died in like two fucking hits.
>>335226939
>the strongest remaining paladin of the order of the silver hand, wielding a hilariously overpowered sword that turns undead into ash with just its mere presence?
>>335226964
>He's literally the most powerful paladin who ever lived. He might as well be the Light.
Its still stupid as shit
Ner zul has a collection of artifacts from multiple worlds plus was empowered by kil jaeden
He is not even the guardian of trifisal
>lets begin the expansion by having the final boss defeated in a random quests by a random dude
>>335227118
He was about to slaughter civies that were going to turn into undead
>>335225642
>Timetravel expension revealed
> It's so bad we are never doing it again, No going back and fighting Jaina twisting her old past to improve her future...
> Wrathion who is also a figure stuck between light and darkness is now permanent good guy. We won't get Alternate TImeline Dragon Lich King
>>335226898
It has fucking devil horns. He is a Paladins and Paladins don't resort to the shit he does. Also the men had orders from the king himself to bring Arthss home.
>>335227134
>let's begin the expansion by having the final boss defeated in a random quests by a random dude
while taken off guard, on holy ground, surrounded by hundreds of similarly empowered soldiers.
notice what happened at ICC, when arthas one-shot tirion without effort, then killed your entire party, before deus ex machina bullshit happened.
>>335227253
>the men had orders from the king himself to bring Arthss home.
yeah, and no way of doing so since arthas trashed their ships. after that they decided 'might as well follow the prince to wherever he's going'
>>335227118
You can't quarantine an entire fucking city of Infected, especially when there's Melgannis Fuckface running around and teleporting out unndead
Why do people care about a story that's been nothing but ass-pulls since Wrath? Metzen at this point is probably playing MadLibs and writing down the results.
>>335226797
No, that is only spot on Azeroth where he could actually beat the Lich King. The real bullshit is what happens in the Lich King encounter
>>335227257
>while taken off guard, on holy ground, surrounded by hundreds of similarly empowered soldiers.
the similary empowered soldiers that got 1 shot?
>notice what happened at ICC, when arthas one-shot tirion without effort, then killed your entire party, before deus ex machina bullshit happened.
They should have sent a random death knight after you not the fucking lich king
>A church is enough to depower the lich king
>>335226256
Eeeeeh...
Illidan is the least 'bad' of most of Azeroth's most wanted, but he's not nearly as good as you think.
First off, he gave ABSOLUTELY 0 fucks about his people. Everything he did was either to impress Tyrande, or for his own pursuit of power. In the original timeline (the one without Broxx, Krasus, and Rhonin), he actually went to warn Azshara about Malfurion's plan to destroy the Well. He cared more about magic than he did anything short of Tyrande.
In the altered timeline, he doesn't go to warn Azshara because Malfurion never actually planned to destroy the well, but when Rhonin started teaching Illidan magic, Illidan would often draw too much from his own mage allies, almost killing them, using his magic recklessly and gave 0 shits until Rhonin ended up being put in charge of his cadre of mages because Illidan was too much of a reckless fuckshit, and then Illidan went all pissy about it.
After all that, Illidan goes and sides with the legion, intending to betray them and save the world, but it sure as fuck wasn't for his people. He just wanted to be the greatest hero Kalimdor ever saw, he didn't care who was cheering his name, just that people were cheering it.
Then the whole 'remaking the well' idea of his falling through. Everything Illidan did was for power and personal gain, NOT for his people. Illidan only ever cared about two people; Himself and Tyrande.
>>335227337
That's my fucking point it's not desertion.
>>335227394
>>A church is enough to depower the lich king
It's not the church, it's the bodies and souls of the countless dead Priests and Paladins underneath it. due to this that chapel is a place where the Light is enters bullshit tier
who cares, medivh is going to show up and steal illidan's spotlight anyway
>>335226797
No.
Tirion was one of the strongest paladins on Azeroth at the time, and he was wielding Ashbringer.
And on top of that, he was on top of sacred, holy ground around the chapel that amplified his power and severely weakened Arthas.
What I found silly was how he broke Frostmourne later on. Ashbringer is a strong weapon but its greatest strength is against the undead, not metal swords. He should have just stabbed Arthas with it since he was considered undead as a DK.
>>335227172
And Uther had no idea, had not seen hide nor hair of any 'transformations' and because he's like "Wait a minute, wholesale slaughter of what look like (to him) normal humans might not be the best course of action."
Arthas shits his faggoty britches and disbands the majority of his army, instead of any hundred of options anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing priccy fuckboi could have thought through.
Seriously, the Silver Hand were strong as fuck and the mission before wiped out huge amounts of entrenched, legitimate undead, instead of the pissweak zombies we fight. He could have just kept them around and everything would have likely turned out fine, he didn't need to burn the fucking city to the ground to do it (going by wc3 Arthas was the one that burned the city down).
>>335227359
Pretense / Excuse. Let Uther / Silver hand try quarantine, then when he will realize after having actually seen these transformations he would change his tune.
Or just use the huge military you have at your disposal to immediately bum rush Mal'Ganis' base and deal with the zombification as it happens. There are a million different options.
From uthers perspective, Arthas is like "WE NEED TO SLAUGHTER EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING IN THIS CITY" with no evidence whatsoever, then when pressed that maybe that isn't the best idea he immediately dissolves the majority of his army?
Hes a fucking retard plain and simple.
>>335227394
>A church is enough to depower the lich king
a church that had the bodies of literally thousands of dead paladins buried underneath it. that place has stupid levels of light power, same as how ICC has stupid amounts of death.
there's a reason that the lich king didn't initially take the field, because he KNEW that he'd get BTFO there. he sent the ebon blade to die to try and thin the herd of the paladins stationed there.
>>335227472
I'd argue, but I see your point and I concede it.
>>335227534
>medivh is going to show up
medivh is dead
>>335227620
no he's not, and besides so is illidan
>>335227620
No he isn't
>>335227583
Slaughtering everyone was literally the only way to prevent shit from spiraling out of control
>>335219934
FFS we already had this discussion
Arthas was already fucked up from the start
ARTHAS
WAS
ALWAYS
FUCKED
UP
It's pretty much smeared on the player's faces when he chooses to put on LK's helmet instead of just returning the sword.
>>335227614
Why would he get BTFO?
in w3 you beat an old god when you were only arthas and depowered and in ICC the nagas blood elfs and illidan
>>335227614
Its still stupid, the fight changes when he gets ashbringer not before, he didnt show any sign of weakness
and you can't start the expansion by having the main boss defeated infront of the player
>>335227620
Not that anon but so was Illidan :^)
>>335227832
>old god
He was a "forgotten one". Yeah, he looked like C'thun, but this was before the old gods and C'thun were a thing.
By current lore, you should really think of the forgotten one as a strong faceless-one general.
>>335227669
>>335227681
yes he is
>>335227905
Medivh isn't dead, though.
Medivh outright states he's not going to intervene because his time is over. He's taking a very passive observer stance on Azerothian affairs.
>>335227905
there's no reason to resurrect medivh
>>335219934
>neoblizzard will keep shitting out expansions based on this time traveling horseshit until the level cap is 500
>>335227192
Wrathion as alternate dragon Lich King actually sound cool as shit.
>>335227772
We know this how? Because Arthas (implied to already be targeted and mentally manipulated by NerZhul) said so?
Again, literally the mission before we see the Silver Hand come through like a wrecking ball, what's stopping them from doing this again? Literally nothing, even if he himself and his men went around slaughtering civilians he could have not fucked off 90% OF HIS COUNTRIES ARMY AND MOST POWERFUL KNIGHTS / PALADINS BECAUSE 'Uther is a meaniehead ;'('
Seriously, based off the actual game, not any WoW retcons or other stupid shit you can easily deal with the zombies once they turn. The only difficulty from that level is fucking around with Mal'Ganis which the Silver Hand could have BTFO 30 seconds into the mission.
>>335227253
Eh, all I can really say is that hindsight is 20/20. Things turned out badly for Arthas and Lordaeron, so that makes his actions bad. A general who disobeys a weak and foolish king and saves the kingdom is someone who does what's necessary, while a prince who gets his personality taken over by a sword and leads a holocaust under its influence is the setting's greatest villain. Everything else is just back-projection and rationalization.
>>335228005
WoW won't survive until the next expansion bro
>>335227986
he appeared twice as a ghost
>>335227928
ok, when did he die then? he is about as dead as turalyon is
>>335227669
>>335227681
>no he isn't
fucking what?
medivh died in warcraft 2. his spirit helped thrall, jaina, and tried to help arthas.
he's dead as shit. the new guardian of tirisfal is that marysue.
>>335227832
did you just ignore the entire dialogue during the battle for light's hope?
the argent dawn were losing next to no soldiers, and darion found that not only was frostmourne not responding to him, he was weakened while on the grounds. when tirion takes the battlefield, the fight ends because darion knew it was over.
the ebon blade got the shit kicked out of them, even before tirion got the ashbringer and arthas showed up.
>in w3 you beat an old god
nope. the first old gods to emerge in the last several thousand years were c'thun and yogg'saron, with n'zoth stirring again as deathwing came back to azeroth.
y'shaarj was long dead, his heart imprisoned deep beneath pandaria, and the fifth old god corpse has yet to be uncovered.
>>335227994
As long as we have Blizzard's new favorite pet, Khadgar, there isn't.
>even turns into a raven and does dramatic entrances into King's court to warn about ominous shit now
>>335228095
somewhere between wc3 and wow
>as dead as turalyon is
turalyon is dead
>>335226797
am i wrong or can you find Tirion at a northen part of western plagulands as a neutral NPS in vanilla?
just remember seing him there guarded by some scarlet crusaders
>>335228121
>medivh died in warcraft 2
Warcraft 1, retard. And he's not dead
>>335228095
medivh died in WC2or 1, whenever he was working with gul'dan to bring the orc armies to azeroth
he was dead in wc3, which is why he couldn't directly help.
>>335228121
>the new guardian of tirisfal is that marysue.
Take a look at the legion alpha, that marysue has basically been retconned.
>>335219934
arthas did do stuff wrong though. I mean uther, his mentor did everything wrong and basically started his spiral but arthas wasnt perfect
>>335228165
Yeah. He had a quest chain to do with his son being a leader in the Scarlet Crusade.
>>335228165
no, in vanilla there was a quest chain where tirion is a drunken hobo staying out of the fight until you help him try and save his son.
>>335228179
>that marysue has basically been retconned.
no he hasn't they even confirmed that
>>335228165
You can, he's in exile due to saving Eitrigg's life and has been spending the last few years watching over his son
>>335228081
And was resurrectd by the help of Ghost-Aegwynn, and returned to try to lead Azeroth against the legion in WC3, afterwards taking his place "among the legend of Azeroth".
Dude got ress'd and is chilling somewhere while everyone else deals with the Legion.
>>335228179
>Take a look at the legion alpha
I'd really rather not look at what wow turned into.
> tfw there will never be a righteous Scarlet Crusade-tier pro-human faction or character ever again.
jdimsa
I just want to purge the undead senpaitachi.
>>335228121
>>335228174
medivh has died at least 3 or 4 times, but he was resurrected by his dead mother and is alive since warcraft 3
he fucked off to who knows where after the events of wc3, left behind some images of himself to deliver some messages to people and basically said he won't be coming back
>>335228340
Why does the alliance fight the scarlet crusade?
>>335228005
>2125
>WoW expansion number 50: the Flaming Jihad
>After the events of warlords of draenor 2: electric boogaloo, Gul'dan again escapes through time and goes to an alternate timeline Outlands where everything is the same as burning crusade Outlands except illidan practices Sunni Islam
>this expansion pack increases the level cap to 450 from 435 and adds the Bomb defuser hero class which starts at 429
>initially there will be 8 new dungeons and 1 raid.
>>335228309
no he appeared twice as a ghost AFTER that
>he gets killed in WC1
>gets resurrected by aegwynn
>appears in WC3
>disappears at the end
>then appears twice as a ghost after he says his time is over and the scepter is handed over to his son
He's dead.
>>335228394
Because the Scarlets are insane and attack anyone who isn't in their faction.
>>335228394
Other way around.
The Scarlet Crusade are hostile towards everyone and anything that isn't them.
They're the Westboro Baptist Church of Azeroth.
>>335228394
because the scarlet crusade is batshit crazy, and sees every non-human that isn't directly following them as corrupt and evil.
they're the ISIS of warcraft.
>>335223679
Arthas' poor judgment was literally doing something wrong. Everything he did in Northrend, even before grabbing frostmorne, was wrong.
What about Illidan?
>Genocide, murder, kidnapping, rape
Never happened.
>Using demon magic
Sure.
>Consorting with demons
So he could later betray them (Even if they were tricking him)
>Being an elf
True.
>>335228121
>>335228174
Sorry lads, but Medivh is not dead and it has been confirmed since WC3. He is not human either, but an "eternal." He's basically an immortal spirit with a physical manifestation due to the sheer magnitude of his magical powers. He even said "I left my humanity behind me long ago. I am something...different now." Also note that he was manhandled by the kingsguard of King Terenas. He is still watching over Azeroth but he has no plans to intervene. Maybe in the future he might change his mind.
>>335226147
Can anyone elaborate on this more?
>>335228434
Remember the Echo of Medivh in Kara? That wasn't a ghost, just a literal 'echo' of himself.
Same shit. He left a voicemail for his son in spectral mage format.
He might be dead, he might not be, but no where is it confirmed one way or the other. Either way, he isn't showing back up, he's said so himself.
>>335228324
Neither would I but people post stuff about the alpha regardless
>>335228506
>kidnapping
he kidnapped tyrande
>murder
did you pay attention to BC at all?
>>335219934
Again with the Arthas dindus.
You know what would be a "did nothing wrong" situation?
>Glad you could make it, Uther.
>Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the prince, but I'm still your superior as a paladin.
>Forgive me. Listen, Uther, there's something about the plague you should know. Oh no. We're too late. These people have all been infected. They may look fine now, but it's just a matter of time before they turn into the Undead.
>What?
>This entire city must be purged.
>How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way
>You're right, Uther. As your future king, I order you to cleanse as many of those people as possible and secure them from Mal'Ganis.
>You are not my king yet, boy. But I will obey that command as if you were!
>Then I must consider this an act of honor.
>Honor? Do you think we have time for this, Arthas?
>Do I? Lord Uther, by my right of succession and the sovereignty of my crown, I hereby order you to command your paladins and do your service.
>Arthas! You can just--
>It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow me!
>You've just made me proud, Arthas.
>Jaina?
>Don't worry, Arthas. I won't let you do this alone.
I've never raided BT but I've been through a few times for pets and shit. What creeps me out is the hundreds of concubines that you have to murders. What the hell? What's wrong with Illidan?
>>335228618
echoes only ever exist of dead people
and he didn't send a "voicemail" for his son, this makes no sense, how would he know he would be there in advance? how did he even know of him and what he would attempt to do?
it was his ghost deal with it
>>335228640
only reason I stayed subbed that long was to occasionally log on and do shit with my friend.
I'd long since switched over tostar wars
>>335228591
Basically Admiral Proudmoore was fucking with the Orcs in Durotar because he felt they were filthy beasts.
Jaina was desperately trying to settle the dispute so there could be peace with the newly formed Orgrimmar, since she was there at Hyjal with Thrall and knew he was a pretty cool guy. Admiral Proudmoore wouldn't listen, so Jaina helped thrall, Vol'Jin, and Rexxar get into Theramore to kill her father, and she assumed command of Theramore and they had a shakey, but lasting peace until Garrosh decided to fuck everything up.
>>335228340
>Scarlet Crusade
>righteous
>pro-human
They would've been happy to slaughter 90% of human population. They're just brainwashed dreadlord's puppets. By WotLK they deploy deathknights of all things
>>335228689
Being stuck in a jail cell for ten thousand years with only one pussy who happens to be your psycho bitch warden gives you an inhumane sexual frustration that can only be satiated with an army of sexy blood elf concubines.
>>335222662
Arthas was losing his shit at that point.
He did achieve his operational objectives of killing Mal'Ganis. It just crippled him in the long run.
>>335228760
...Jaina killed her own dad? What the fuck?
I've played WoW for over a decade but only Hearthstone has actually gotten me to pay attention to lore, finding out weird shit like this bothers me.
>>335228721
>echoes only exist of dead people
[citation needed]
>makes no sense, how would he know he would be there in advance?
Medivh the PROPHET.
>Prophet
>noun
>A person who makes or claims to be able to make predictions.
Nowhere is it said he's dead or a ghost. You deal with it.
>>335228591
> Admiral Proudmoore is one of the primary leaders of humanity from WC2, has seen the savagery Orcs firsthand.
> Jaina is daughter of Admiral Proudmoore, leader of Kul'Tiras (one of the major human kingdoms)
> After the burning crusade come through Jaina + Lordaeron survivors make home on Island off Kalimdor.
> Orcs make home on mainland Kalimdor.
> Proudmoore shows up and usurps Jaina, takes control of Island kingdom.
> Starts shit with Orcs because hes a meany old nasty raciss white male
> Orcs defend themselves and kill him.
> 10 years later dindu orcs nuke Island kingdom.
> ProudmooreWasRight.jpeg.
>>335228757
I dropped the moment my Early TBC -> Early Cata guild died, That first tier killed the guild due to how quickly we cleared it as were left with nothing to do after almost having a good 9 (I think it was, how long did the gating last for? 1 month?) months of farming H LK
>>335228864
Imagine being someone who's stuck around since WC1.
You now know why people hate WoW.
>>335227089
I don't think allowing a population to remain autonomous after you just helped them overthrow their oppressive Government and deciding not to slaughter their leader is that strange tbqh.
He should have demanded the liberation of Gilneas in exchange for peace though.
>>335228864
jaina also led an army into kalimdor following the advice of medivh, and was the first person to call the attack on thrall's forces before medivh stopped the fight.
>>335223267
Tbh his main issue was that Uther and Jaina couldn't make a difficult call on Stratholme.
If they hadn't fucked off when it was clear he was losing his shit he probably would have had some better advisers than a Dwarf who spends most his time shilling swords that take over your personality.
>>335228434
He had a small appearance in the WoD alpha that was taken out.
>>335223528
>new horseman
>no proudmoore
>no garithos
>no lothar
Bolvar confirmed for dumb
>>335228903
>>echoes only exist of dead people
show me one that isn't
you really think I'm gonna list all echoes that appear in WoW?
>Medivh the PROPHET.
so? velen is a prophet too, that's not how visions work, they are not a clear look into the future, and prophets are not omniscient
>Nowhere is it said he's dead or a ghost. You deal with it.
he LITERALLY appears as a ghost twice
>>335228864
Case of lesser evil.
Her father was suing for another war with the orcs. You have to understand, this old fuck saw the second war, the siege of Stormwind, all that shit. He thinks the orcs are bloothirsty merciless savages and won't listen to Jaina saying they're not all that bad.
She pleads with him to stop the entire time but he just won't fucking listen. He's going to get all of Theramore destroyed, and she realizes the only thing to do is stop him, but she can't bring herself to do it.
So she helps Thrall, her friend from Hyjal, do the deed.
She doesn't feel good about it, but she knew it had to happen. Same with killing the Lich King. I don't know what faction you played, but for the Alliance, she tried very hard to plead with Arthas in halls of reflection and hoped that by stealing or destroying Frostmoune, they could bring Arthas back.
>>335226964
Considering they were chums both factions were chums with Naarus for the events of TBC, why not just bring them to Northreand and waltz right into the citadel? It's not like any undead could come within a kilometer radius without being disintegrated by their presence
>>335229012
>If they hadn't fucked off
If he hadn't banished them*
ARTHAS DINDU NUFFIN!
>>335229028
that was the medivh of the past
WoD is set before the first war
>>335228943
IIRC the gates each opened after 2 weeks for LK.
>>335228986
really, the entirety of lordaeron too. sylvannas has zero valid claim on either gilneas or the kingdom, being from quel'thelas.
>>335224652
WoW lore is basically treated like comic book plots at this point.
If someone dies and they want them back for money/popularity, they just go "YEAH UHH BECAUSE YOU SEE THAT UH... FROSTMORNE FRAGMENTED AND STORED HIS SOUL AND NOW HE'S ALIVE"
>>335228957
It's funny. I have played WoW since beta (never played WC3 or before) and have never ever been interested in the lore until HS and HOTS injected actual personality into the characters.
I literally fell in love with Kel'thuzad, Anub, and Kael'thas and was later told by friends I had killed them in wow dozens of times. Literally didn't register to me.
My favorite example of wow being poorly written - "Malkorok informs Garrosh that the tome of pandaren history had written the Mogu, the former rulers of Pandaria, as a cruel, relentless people who ruled by fear and not love. In turn, Garrosh remarks that he has much to learn from these Mogu."
>>335229069
>making the hardest decision of your life, one that has you killing an incredible amount of people, the very same people that you swore to protect
>Turn to your mentor and your girlfriend for help in this difficult time
>they tell you to fuck off
Are you really surprised he overreacted to that?
There isnt a debate, purging stratholme was the right call. Jaina didnt have the guts and uther either didnt understand or refused too.
>>335229202
>ICECROWN WAS MERELY A SETBACK!
>>335225045
> Horsemen
> Significant in Lore
> First appeared in WoW
Fuck off blizzcuck. MUH VANILLA RAIDS SO HARD HORSEMEN ARE LITERALLY THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS.
Literally the only difference lore wise between the Horsemen and the 3 Pandaren council fight is Nostalgia and an 8 year old nonexistent quest chain to get a weapon.
>>335229029
>Garithos and Nazgrim
>Proudmoore and Nazgrim
Oh my god.
Oh my fucking god it would be like a sitcom. Everything that goes wrong, they'd have blamed on the "filthy greenskin fuck"
>>335229240
>Turn to your mentor and your girlfriend for help in this difficult time
aka
> WE NEED TO FUCKING KILL EVERYONE WE NEED TO FUCKING SLAUGHTER EVERYONE RIGHT FUCKING NOW
> Hol' up b, what if the--
> IM THE FUCKING PRINCE DO WHAT I SAY YOU WORTHLESS MAGGOTS!
> No, we need to-
> BANISHED BANISHED BANISHED!
Fuck Arthas.
>>335229037
I've really only ever been a UD, BE or goblin, so as much as I ignore lore, I haven't even seen alliance lore to ignore. I thought Jaina was a pretty princess type character from HOTS and HS but honestly, Jaina sounds kinda horrible.
He had the most unforgiving job of cleaning up Lordaeron in the aftermath of the Scourge. Killed in combat by Sylvanas and her dreadlord pet. May the Light bless his soul.
>>335229328
Slaughter was the only way retard
you can't fucking quarantine that shit
they're all infected
there was never a cure
not to mention Mal'ganis is running around and adding them up to his army
and your whole post reeks of "AAAAAH I AM SILLY"
>>335229296
>Don't you agree, Admiral, that we wouldn't have been in this predicament have we not had a green monkey in our ranks?
>Indeed
>>335229240
>purging stratholme was the right call
considering everyone turned into demons anyway and everything was till fucked, all arthas did was take the opportunity to murder defenseless civilians before a catastrophe
its like being in an airplane thats taking a nosedive and then stabbing a few dudes on the way down, there was no need for that
>>335229336
>but honestly, Jaina sounds kinda horrible.
jaina was one of the most based characters in warcraft before she became bland as shit in wow. she made the hard decisions(aside from helping arthas at stratholme), and did what had to be done (aside from stratholme).
then you get to wow and she just sits in theramore and does nothing, even as varian is stuck under a nearby island. then she gets a touch of batshit crazy after trusting the horde, garrosh turning on her, then blowing up theramore in an unprovoked attack, followed by using her people's portals in dalaran to sneak into darnassus and steal an evil artifact that garrosh used to fuck up pandaria.
>>335229336
Now, yeah, she's pretty awful.
Back before MoP, she was literally the only Alliance leader with her head anywhere outside of her anal cavity.
She's relentlessly tried to sue for peace between the Horde and the Alliance since day 1, when Varian showed up, she took a place on his small council and urged for lenient, level-headed action, pushed Varian to look for peaceful solutions to conflicts, and was an overall sound strategist.
I'll need someone to correct me here, but there was one crucial moment where Varian and Thrall were actually GETTING ALONG at the Argent Tournament, and it had a lot to do with Jaina telling him to stop being a shithead the entire time they were there. Before Garrosh fucked it up, mind you.
>>335229539
>Arthas would stab a man before throwing him out of a plane
>>335228903
it's true that the medivh that appeared to med'an in the comic was not his ghost but just an avatar of sorts, but that avatar talks of medivh's "final departure from azeroth" and that he is the "vessel of his remaining power"
remaining power, meaning, that is all that's left of medivh, and no, he didn't depart Azeroth to go to another planet
he's dead
>>335226662
Not his fault.
>>335229592
>there was one crucial moment where Varian and Thrall were actually GETTING ALONG at the Argent Tournament,
nah, varian and the alliance in general were getting along with the horde up until the wrathgate, where the forsaken killed varian's closest friend.
garrosh then fucked everything up in the leadup to ulduar.
any civility varian showed at the tournament was because he knew he'd get btfo by the argent crusade if he pulled anything.
>>335229543
>>335229592
Man, you guys are making me wanna resub before Legion and like, fish up coins in Dalaran or something.
I liked Jaina more before I was told Kael'thas had a crush on her but it was not reciprocated.Bros before hoes, I suppose.
>>335228903
>>335229649
he's dead
>>335229449
Again. There are a dozen ways of going about it that aren't dismissing the strongest living paladin in history and saviour of mankind, the apprentice of the most powerful mage of the Kirin Tor and 90% of your military. Silver Hand could have literally steamrolled Mal'Ganis' base in less than a minute, then they would be presented with seeing the humans turn (something Uther, nor any of the Silver Hand actually had PROOF of). Arthas was a whiny precious fuckboi who when presented with a difficult, situation cried about 'muh princedom' and disbanded the majority of his Army. Yes Strathholme was a difficult situation, but anyone who isn't a fucking mongoloid could have thought of a better solution to it.
Now, that's not to say that it wasn't a fun mission, or a neat way of exploring his character, but this "ARTHAS DID NOTHING WRONG" apologism is hairbrained memery from retarded edgelords who cream themselves to the idea of edgelord Arthas being 100% justified in his actions and meany weany moralfag Uther being 100% wrong.
Maybe the story is different in WoW, maybe they retcon it to be far worse, but for me and my money, going off the WC3 mission, Arthas came off as a retarded fuckboi who couldn't handle his superior officer questioning, fucking QUESTIONING wholesale GENOCIDE of his citizenry.
Arthas is a FAG.
>>335229328
>making him sound like a dumbass because you want to be contrarian
He even opened with an explanation
>>335229539
Its not like he could have predicted that. There was an undead plague and a coming invasion. The purge was the soundest course
>>335229649
>posting fanfiction
>using fanfiction as proof
Blizzard has retconned worse than your little story that never happened ;^)
>>335228376
>medivh has died at least 3 or 4 times, but he was resurrected by his dead mother
this is yamcha tier bullshit. just stay dead already.
>>335229795
>>335229649
>the comics
>canon
Everything after the Varian arc is completely bullshit
>>335229802
>He even opened with an explanation
With literally 0 proof.
"Alright Uther, wait here for literally 5 minutes, you'll see them all transform. We can go sort out Mal'Ganis and then i'll let you decide what is the best course of action is once the primary undead force has been dealt with."
Then he could have gone and slaughtered everyone. All i'm saying is Arthas is a moron and people going "ARTHAS DID NOTHING WRONG" are idiots. It's a grey area and the whole point of it was that Arthas was doing some fucked up shit and it was his first step to becoming Warcraft Hitler.
>>335222662
he was doing what was necessary, he saw the Lich King as a threat needed to be taken out, and he was willing to prioritize saving the world over the lives of his men.
>my dad finished the human campaign for WCIII
>he was so excited to tell me that Arthas killed his dad
>he even replayed the cinematic for me
>he stopped playing after he finished the Undead campaign because he says "orcs are shit"
>>335229493
>Proudmoore, Garithos, Whitemane, and Nazgrim
>Proudmoore is their leader and strategist, Garithos is their frontline man, Whitemane is their healer, Nazgrim is their damage dealer
>Proudmoore constantly gives Nazgrim shitty jobs that will put him in obvious danger while giving Garithos much more manageble assignments
>Nazgrim keeps failing and getting shit from Proudmoore and Garithos
I never knew I needed this dynamic.
>>335229839
>>335229871
it's not fanfiction you retard
and they already said that med'an is canon
deal with it little baby
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/18061638/the-adventure-continues-in-61-2-23-2015
>Garona Halforcen
>Some may know Garona from her exploits in Azeroth. This powerful rogue assassin was responsible for the death of King Llane Wrynn. Along with her son Med’an, she aided the New Council of Tirisfal in their brutal struggle against the Twilight’s Hammer and the evil ogre magi Cho’gall.
https://twitter.com/mickyneilson/status/478313335469785088
>>335229986
he's not wrong.
>>335226147
I was about to post that, there is nothing I found more disturbing and cuckish in any game story than this point. Fuck Jaina she should have been drawn and quartered for treason.
>>335229328
Arthas made the right call since he was obviously looking at the bigger picture had he succeeded in a complete purge with the help and approval of his colleges he probably wouldn't have needed to prove himself. the justification of Malganis being dead to prove himself is what drove him mad like Ishmael and the White Whale.
>>335229986
Your dad is good people
>>335229801
>disbanded the majority of his Army
What good is an army if they won't follow orders? That town needed to be purged. He told Uther to help him do it, but he refused, effectively committing treason.
what kind of shitty fucking crown was the king wearing that it just fucking break when it dropped?
>>335230000
this sounds so awesome, it doesn't surprise me that Blizzard went another way, they don't know how to write good stories like that anymore
>>335224880
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJuknDIsnF4
Around 19:30 is when he literally damn's his own his own men for the sake of vengeance, right after telling muradin to STFU about the mercenaries.
>>335229216
That's because WoW writers basically just treat their characters as one of the following:
1) People you're supposed to like
2) People you're supposed to hate
3) Questgivers
There's no internal consistency to characterisation. Look at fucking Garrosh. He jumps from:
> Doubt filled Orc who just needs reassuring
> Arrogant and unskilled commander of a whole campaign
> Guy who's way out of his depth but determined to centralise the Horde race's interests to be more like a unified bloc like the Alliance
> Genocidal tyrant who somehow runs the entire Horde with only a single race giving him the time of day and consorts with demons out of power lust
> Guy who wants to restore the nobility of the Orcs with a new generation of purebloods
In like five years.
WoD is also deeply retarded. The idea is that Garrosh somehow unifies the pure blood Orc tribes and gives them better technology to take over Azeroth, but there are monumental flaws to this plan.
The first is that the near-unified fel-blooded Orcs of the actual canon only managed to get as far as destroying Stormwind before they wound up getting routed and put in internment camps, and that was with the help of fucking demon blood that made them stronger.
The second is that the better technology is probably at the same level as that used by the Alliance and Horde in Azeroth, only made out of cruder materials. Some of it also is too big to fit through the the fucking portal.
Whilst we're on the matter of the portal, if Garrosh intended for war machines to be transported through it, why the fuck did he order the construction to have loads of steps at the front?
We're supposed to believe that this haggle of disunited Orcs that have no special powers somehow pose an existential threat of Azeroth but that really doesn't feel like the case.
>>335230205
how is that wrong? his men would be damned anyway if they don't defeat the scourge
>>335230170
ceremonial crown. Not made for a beating.
>>335229778
>kael
>bro
Dude was willing to feed all of his people to demons to sate his own magic addiction. Kael was never a bro.
That aside, Jaina was into Arthas at the time, I think.
>>335230134
Yeah, Lordaeron is a undead shithole and his entire kingdom is a rotting corpse.
He totally made the right move.
>>335230151
I bet you'd fit right in with (INSERT X FAILED GENOCIDAL REGIME).
Why does nobody talk about Kael'thas? Why is he so forgotten?
>literally 90% of his people, including all of his family, are murdered in a catastrophic invasion
>literally 100% of the remnants are addicted to magic and many are turning into anorexic drug fiends
>he has to work under the command of Lord Fuhrer Garithos who treats his race like fucking jews
>his people are literally hobos on heroine withdrawal trying to rebuild from nothing
>the only race that shows any sympathy towards them are nagas, literally the WoW equivalent of hoodlum blacks
>he has no choice but to follow Illidan in hopes of restoring his people to their former glory
>Illidan gives him a fucking Naaru, the equivalent of 500 metric tons of cocaine
>he loses his mind from all that magic heroine
>>335230279
Kael was a bro until the Sunwell was corrupted.
>>335219934
FROSTMOURNE
HUNGERS
>>335230285
>I bet you'd fit right in with (INSERT X FAILED GENOCIDAL REGIME).
real edgy kid. No, it's just how any good military works. You respect the chain of command and follow orders. If you feel bad about it, you can complain about it after.
>Kerrigan gets redemption and becomes god
>Now Illidan gets redemption and turns into light´s chosen
Honestly I was hyped for legion until this
>>335230316
Garithos had every right to be fucking mad at the elves
>hey elves wanna come out of your ivory towers and help with this scourge invasion
>nah we good
>baw why didn't you humans help us when the scourge invaded
>the timetravel aspect of WoD was universally hated by nearly everyone
>hey guys we put in more timetravel in Legion xD
Blizzard are fucking retarded, glad I don't play anymore.
>>335230364
>You respect the chain of command and follow orders.
You're right, Arthas should have listened to Uther, his superior, glad you're suddenly seeing reason.
>>335230338
he wanted to raep jania
>>335230000
>Nazgrim just keeps grumbling about muh honor and treacherous human pigs
>Whenever humans fuck up he starts laughing and mocking them, only to get even more shit treatment in return
>>335230437
and?
>>335230316
For me because hes probably the worst 180 in terms of characterization.
> Entire character is about preserving his people and his kingdom despite gnawing mana addiction.
to
> Give me dat demon semen *glub glub glub*
>>335230454
this is why I need feminism
>>335230419
Uther was his mentor, not his superior. You realize Prince outranks the military in a monarchy, right kiddo?
>>335230487
Addiction can fuck people up man
>>335230487
WoW ruins everything, what's new?
>>335230390
you didn't like this?
>>335230518
>watch your tongue around me, boy. you may be the prince, but I'm still your superior as a paladin
>>335230040
Med'an was retconned via omission.
>>335230215
I thoroughly enjoyed reading your take on WoD. Thank you.
Arthas deserved a worse fate.
In fact, him getting redeemed/forgiven in the end felt like a kick in the gut.
>>335230390
>hyped for legion
Your first mistake.
>>335229763
I swear there was one moment where Varian and Thrall were actually having a serious broment and Garrosh fucking ruined it. Like they were having a face-to-face talk and actually getting along despite Varian's huge hatred of orcs.
Was that really before the wrathgate? I swear it was afterwards at the tourney.
>>335230518
> You may be the prince, but I'm still your superior as a paladin.
> I'm still your superior as a paladin.
> I'm still your superior
Also, i think being the literal saviour of mankind, most blessed paladin and leader of the entire army, second only to King Terenas himself, earns him some cache compared to a petulant fucking child.
>>335230608
His soul got sent to the void, that's literally the worst possible fate for him. Hope he enjoys his eternity of torture
>>335230316
he feels edgy
>>335230390
Metzen is on a roll giving redemption to anything that has wings and a good physique
>>335230619
Bolvar getting killed made varian a massive tool until he saw anduin actually working with the horde and actually doing things well.
>>335230260
Because his whole reason for being that far north in the first place is because immediately after stratholme he was baited by malganis, stratholme in and of it self wasn't a mistake but everything afterwards was.
>>335230572
Not him, but
>superior AS A PALADIN
Uther was speaking strictly within the Silver Hand. He needed to remind Arthas of that because Arthas is technically his superior due to his royal blood.
>>335230619
to be honest legion didn´t look that bad. I´m a lorefag so any lore change is welcome as long as it´s interesting to some degree. Void lords still made sense I mean someone had to create old gods but illidan becoming champion of the light is the most restarded stupidest bullshit I´ve read in ages
>>335230585
no
retard
>omission
you mean when they mentioned him on the website regarding the 6.1 patch?
or when they were asked whether he was canon and they said yes?
>if arthas was any race but white he wouldn't have this many apologist
just like proudmoore wouldn't have support if she was a man.
>>335230572
>>335230664
So why did he respect Arthas command that he was relieved of duty? Why didn't he just take charge? Because he knew that Arthas outranked him, as a Prince.
Superior as a Paladin only means that within the Knights of the Silver Hand, he had the higher rank, but in the actual military, he was still below Arthas. Arthas respecting him as "superior" was nothing more than a symbolic gesture that he could revoke at any time.
>>335226595
Demanded the Tauren give the Orcs all their water, knowing it might kill all the Tauren.
>>335226797
Whatever happened to
>"APOCALYYYYPSE!!!!"
>>335230787
and arthas was trying to order his troops around.
arthas didn't actually have any authority over him, hence "you're not my king yet, boy"
>>335230868
>bank alt named mcdonalds
blizzard confirmed bought
>>335230787
That's like a medival prince telling the church to go fuck themselves. Bad idea even if you are technically their superior.
>>335230585
he's even mentioned in the velen shortstory
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/lore/leader-story/velen/1
>Med'an—the Guardian of Tirisfal—wept, the tears out of place on his orc-tinged features, his eyes so vulnerable and hurt that the sight of them would have broken the heart of any other.
>>335230868
gerking?
>>335230776
>stratholme in and of it self wasn't a mistake
Well maybe he wouldn't have got baited by a dumb dreadlord if he had reasonable people by his side. I'd like to see Mal'Ganis talking shit to Arthas in front of Uther. That's asking for an exorcism right to the face.
>>335227527
It's more than just a church. That church was a saging ground for armies to oppose the Lich King's evil amidst a seething morass of corruption he himself created(The plague lands). It successfully repelled a Scourge invasion previously and took down Stratholme and Naxxramas, the very seat of Scourge power across two continents. It was a growing light in the dark and represented hope and the will to stand against evil, which succeeded in it's missions.
>>335229942
So he did something wrong, then.
Arthas was a cunt.
>>335230546
>Comes back for the sunwell
>"Tempest Keep was merely a setback!"
>Kill his ass again.
>It it revealed in WOD those who give themselves to Demon power become bound to the nether unable to die normally unless killed within said nether
>The Legion and Illidan are back
>MFW as I know where this is fuckin headed.
Are you ready for Tempest Keep 2.0 Electric Boogaloo ?In World of Warcraft death itself is a triviality.
>>335230860
because arthas tried to pull rank as the FUTURE king.
uther said fuck you, and I wouldn't obey that order even if you were the king.
arthas used that as an excuse to relieve uther of duty, take command ofthe paladins, then disband them.
Guys. Everything after WoTLK is shit in terms of story via Kossak wanting back WCII Orcs and Metzen nodding to him while snorting in coke.
Under a competent writer, Thrall would've remained Warchief and did his bloody best to make sure the changes he enacted to change the Orcs would spread to multiple generations. Instead he leaves on to be some Green Jesus while leaving the Horde with Garrosh (who BTW was inexperienced and not fit to be a leader...yet).
Due to the things that happened in Cataclysm and MoP was his fault and ruined his own plan to make the Orcs into something better than the old Horde. AND HE FUCKED IT ALL!
Hence why I'm sticking with WCIII.
>>335230824
Retconned via omission. Never mentioned ever again. He does not show anymore. End of story.
>>335230946
>short story
Probably not canon.
>>335228957
I still hope for a WC4 with all of WoW being retconed.
That said though WoW is too big of a cash cow for that to ever happen.
Y'all seem knowledgeable. What kind of dude is/was Anub'arak?
>>335231058
did kael'thas give into demonic power though?
in tempest keep he went nuts with his arcane power and siphoning from m'uru
and on quel'danas he wasn't using demonic energy, it was still arcane.
>>335231095
>>335231089
it's funny seeing people this much in denial
>>335231089
>Retconned via omission. Never mentioned ever again. He does not show anymore. End of story.
are you blind or are you trolling? he was mentioned
>never mentioned again
you have to be retarded
>>335231068
Chances are that Lich King would have been fucked if Jaina and Uther didn't pussy out, and actually helped him.
Again, what good is an elite unit if they wont follow orders when shit hits the fan?
>>335231009
>Arthas comes back from Northrend and just casually slaughters everyone who was in the Silver Hand at the time including Uther
No back in WC3 they weren't
>>335231089
>Instead he leaves on to be some Green Jesus while leaving the Horde with Garrosh (who BTW was inexperienced and not fit to be a leader...yet).
but he was quickly learning, seeing the value of honour, getting pissed at sylvannas for using plague, etc.
stonetalon and silverpine are a permanent reminder of what garrosh could have been.
>>335230885
Mate, he's the prince of Loradaeron. He's the second highest voice of authority in their military, second only to Terenas himself.
As a knight of the Silver Hand, he's below Uther, but he wasn't speaking as a Knight of the Silver Hand. He was speaking as Prince Arthas Menethil.
>>335230943
Not QUITE, but kinda.
See, in our world, religion is separate from your country. British princes couldn't tell the pope to go fuck himself because the Vatican is recognized as a sovereign authority.
In Azeroth, the Northshire Abbey, the Silver Hand, and the Church of the Light are all under Lordaeron/the Alliance. Politically speaking, Arthas holds power over them.
It wasn't a good idea either way, no, but Arthas did hold the political power to dissolve them.
Putting real-world analogies to Azeroth doesn't work very well. Azeroth is very streamlined compared to Earth, politcally.
>>335231152
A pretty cool guy, indubitably.
>>335231298
>He was speaking as Prince Arthas Menethil.
no, he was speaking as the future KING arthas menethil.
>as your future king I ORDER you to purge this city!
not
>as your prince I ORDER you to purge this city!
>>335231004
True, it's just a shame he did have some one reasonable by his side for the entirety of his northrend campaign and that ended up accomplishing fuck all.
>>335231152
A big sad bug.
He was a cool dude in life though
>>335231283
>>335231089
It's worth noting that Garrosh was actually doing well until the Twilight Hammer began sabotaging him. One of his own advisors was a traitor, even.
Cairne died because he was poisoned to the point he was unable to effectively fight. Garrosh was originally going to go full emo after "accidentally" killing Cairne and was going to lock himself in his throne room alone for days.
>>335231380
prince = future king
you autist
>>335231380
>future king
>prince
Mate they practically mean the same thing.
Either way, he was using his royal blood to pull rank, which he technically could do.
I'm not saying it was smart, a good idea, or right, but he had every right as the future king, the prince, to do it.
>>335231380
Same thing
>>335231152
Cool in life, Arthus's best bro in death.
Overall he did not deserve his fate as a boss in the biggest joke raid of the game.
>>335231380
>no, he was speaking as the future KING arthas menethil.
Which is exactly the same as speaking as Prince Arthas Menethil.
You're pretty dense, y'know that?
>>335231152
Anub'arak was King of a species of bug people that worshiped the Maw of Death Yog'saron who died against the first Lich King Ner'zhul
there is a sect of his people still resisting the lich king and prefer to worship the REAL god of death.
>>335231523
I thought KT was Arthas's best bro?
And yes, imagine my shock when I learned my favorite HOTS character was in wow, just as a dungeon boss I had forgotten about for years.
>>335231474
>>335231507
>>335231510
>>335231540
except uther specifically refused the command because arthas wasn't the king YETthough he also said he wouldn't have done so even if he was.
arthas was trying to pull his future rank.
>>335231567
Wait so all nerubians are bad, undead or not? LIke the other bug people, uh... anquraji?
>>335227614
>there's a reason that the lich king didn't initially take the field, because he KNEW that he'd get BTFO there. he sent the ebon blade to die to try and thin the herd of the paladins stationed there.
nice writing blizzard, LK could have just used his immortal undead troops to cut off their supply lines and let them starve. game is literally called warcraft but the plot applies no basic strategies of warfare
>>335231605
he was, but anub joined in during arthas' return to northrend and they all palled it up.
>just as a dungeon boss
he came back as the last boss in the trial of the crusader raid, which was very, VERY obviously just a filler raid before ICC, right down to tier 9 being identical for every similar level class--every cloth set was identical, every leather set, etc.
>>335231621
Uther was a bitch ass nigga who should have been shot for disobeying a direct order from his superior in a time of war.
Then again it was written by some liberal do-goody retard who doesn't understand war, so it made a perfectly reasonable decision out to be an evil act.
>>335231621
Uther specifically refused the command because it was batshit goddamn insane to him.
Arthas had the political power to dissolve the Silver Hand, which he did right then and there.
He has the political power to lead them.
Why would he have the ability to completely dissolve a group, yet not be able to lead them?
Just use your brain for a sec and think about it.
>>335231695
>cut off their supply lines and let them starve. game is literally called warcraft but the plot applies no basic strategies of warfare
except rayne was a high-level member of the cenarion circle, they could just grow more supplies.
>>335231605
KT was just his whipping boy, anub was with him when he went for his wacky adventure through the north looking for his silly hat.
>>335231731
Imagining KT, Anub and Arthas as friends is probably the only thing that would ever motivate me to play WC3.
>>335231605
>hots
Why the fuck are you doing that to yourself? Its literally the worst thing blizzard has ever made.
>>335231764
arthas was only able to do so because uther said he'd have refused the order if arthas was the king. that gave him the power to call treason and strip him of power.
>>335231802
it's hard as shit.
>>335231795
>KT is the only one Arthas calls a friend
Nigger fuck off. Anub'arak will never be Arthas' waifu.
>>335231191
if he was under the employ of demons and the GREEN DEMONIC crystal in his chest is anything to go by is that he pretty much made a deal to be brought back to life in the form of everlasting energy that could quench his peoples thirst forever in return their servitude.
After what happened in Tempest Keep he probably went for it no questions asked.
>>335231802
Arthas and Anub'Arak are the dual heroes for most of TFT's undead campaign
they have fantastic dynamic
>>335231821
anyone talented at Blizzard has retired or semi-retired due to becoming multi-millionaires from WoW.
WoW killed Blizzard.
>>335231843
>Strip him of his power
Yes, and then he DISSOLVED THE REST OF THE ORDER. NONE OF WHICH SAID ANYTHING ABOUT REFUSING THE ORDER.
Stop reading the first line of each post. I put the important part in caps for you this time.
>>335231802
Its one of the last good blizzard games, shame you missed the golden age of its custom maps though.
That being said i hear its still got an active community.
>>335231929
I'd assume arthas was basically second only to uther in authority. uther was openly treasonous, so the next in power took power.
YER A DK NAZGRIM
>>335231058
inb4 we have to throw kil'jaeden back into the makers forge from where he once camemount doom style
>>335231821
I think HOTS is a lot of fun. My friends play it, I'm too casual for DOTA and I'm a human being so I won't play LOL.
>>335228986
It was actaully confirmed that Jaina just meant "dissolve the Horde's leadership so that they can be inducted into the Alliance, so we can keep an eye on them unlike this stupid ass brown faggot"
>>335231846
Pft ok, as if you can go spelunking in some random old gods ruins
and accidentally end up killing him and not become BFF afterwords.
>>335231985
Tirion would have outranked Arthas. He was a better paladin and had seniority on him.
>>335227089
Deep down Varian knew that Garrosh didn't do anything wrong.
>>335232105
tirion wasn't there, was he?
>>335231695
>Damn! Arthas has cut off our supply lines from Tyr's Hand! We're isolated and alone, and our rations are dwindling quickly!
>Hey, Magey McFastcast, whip us up some cakes.
>>335232094
Sure sucks that Arthas never thinks of Anub'arak as anything more than a big strong bug guy, huh?
Face it, nerubaggot, Arthas shares a tender moment with K'T and puts him in charge of the EK scourge after calling him his friend. This ship set sail over a decade ago.
>>335231929
to be fair though its almost certain if not for this mal'ganis crap he'd likely have rescinded that order quickly
Stratholme was Arthas being pushed to his breaking point, he went from watching his people be turned into abominations to having to fight for the life of his companions for literally days on end to finding out a massive number of his people were not just about to die in torturous pain but then rise as an army of the abominations he just barely held out against
and that's the moment his mentor and trusted friend chooses to basically drop him like a rock.
not to mention being constantly faced with the fact that he could not at the same time be a good ruler to his people and a good paladin
>>335231539
What?
>>335232105
Tirion was fucking kicked out of the order by WC3
>>335232043
Have you ever played dota? Or even league? Fucking hell play smite. HOTS is an abomination of the genre that fails the absolute core concepts of why theyre fun
>>335231106
One of the upsides of this retarded time travel / alternate universe plot is that being a far more realistic option.
>>335231567
>>335231523
>>335231408
If Arthas died before Anub, would he go back to being a big happy bug? What about KT? That guy was always fucked up, right?
>>335232167
No, but Arthas wouldn't be able to dissolve an order just because he was the highest ranking member in that area.
That would be like a private saying the US Military is dissolved because he's the highest ranking unit in a room.
Unless, oh gee, Billy, I don't know, as Prince of Loradaeron, Arthas has political power over The Silver Hand. I mean, that's just unthinkable isn't it?
>>335231212
What good is having a kingdom if you're just going to kill all your citizens?
>>335231694
Yes the current trend in WoW is ALL the bug people were shaped and given life by the old gods and
The Anquraji
The Nerubians
The Klaxxi
All these niggas suck old god dick for free. Especially the fucking Klaxxi those backstabbing double niggers that worship a Piece of a fucking old god.
>MFW raiding Siege and seeing them all in the room talkin shit with the little bug I helped raise that I had to kill
Motherfuckers know their place
>>335232043
How is hots better league
>>335232256
iirc KT had a revelation that everything he was doing was fucking wrong
unfortunately for him he had that revelation while he was in scourge HQ and they ensured his loyalty
>>335232256
Anub was enslaved against his will and KT accepted his fate when he knew there way out of it and embraced it
>>335232215
>>335232267
Turalyon, then. Or Gavirad the Dire, or any of the other founding members of the Silver Hand.
>>335232275
I can't think of a single real world government that wouldn't have made exactly the same call Arthas did.
>>335232342
there was no way
>>335232386
Good thing WC3 is a fantasy game.
>>335232359
Turalyon was gone. Disappeared after WC2.
>>335232359
Turalyon kinda was and still is M.I.A.
>>335232198
Pft sure made him the head of the scourge so he could go fuck off in Nax while he and anub had northerend all to themselves.
The fan fiction writes itself.
>>335232425
which still features humans so its a valid to use real world humans as an example
>>335232446
>>335232445
Dathrohan and Gavinrad were both alive and neither were missing at that time.
Dathrohan would have likely been the highest, Non-MIA officer in the Silver Hand at the time.
Unless Arthas' position as the Prince of Loradaeron meant he had political sway over the Silver Hand, Dathrohan would have become the ultimate commander of the Silver Hand instead. Meaning the choice of dissolving the organization rested solely in Dathrohan's hands.
>>335230215
>Garrosh thinks the Orc forces can beat up Azeroth
Honestly that was the biggest flaw with all of WoD. The Iron Horde were TERRIBLE. Only Gul'dan was an actual threat, and thats only because he had to run to big Daddy Legion.
One of the Iron Horde warchiefs died in a fucking dungeon ffs. Those guys should have all been end game raid bosses, not the pathetic losers they turned out to be.
>>335232660
with the amount of plot armor orcs have Garrosh could have easily conquered Azeroth and the burning legion while he was at it
>>335232660
Ner'zhul was kicked out of the Iron Horde for being a weak and creepy loser, that's why he was just a dungeon boss
>>335230390
>Lights Chosen
Wait, what? I thought Illidan was only in it for the introductory quest for the Demon Hunters.
He isn't actually a big part of the expansion, right?
>>335232660
Or dungeon content could've been its own progression gameplay/story mechanism instead of just a gearing stepping stone. But EverQuest and Tigol's shadow is Looooooooooooooong.
>>335232660
To be fair, the only reason the Orcs won the first time was the demon juice and the element of surprise.
Garrosh's Iron Horde probably could have steamrolled that timeline's Azeroth, but our timeline knew about them and we knew how to fight them.
Garrosh isn't exactly the brightest orc, though.
>>335232780
How would you accomplish this?
>>335232731
Thats even worse. They literally kicked out their own war chiefs for being weak and shit.
How did they ever think their invasion could work? Seriously, they never even posed a real threat to Azeroth. The furthest they fucking got to doing any real damage was dropping an Iron Star into Blackrock Mountain, and they even fucked that up.
>>335232762
In the latest book, he gets redeemed by a Naaru and told he'll be a champion of the Light.
Expect Archangel Illidan model reveal soon.
>>335232660
You forget that at this point blizzard had lost all
pretense of knowing what the fuck they were
doing with their IP.
>>335232896
So that faggot gets to be a champion of the Light, and all my world-saving Paladin gets is a hand-me-down from Fordring?
Neat.
>>335226964
>stronger then Uther and Turalyon
uhh
>>335219934
Friendly reminder that black people are responsible for the majority of he dindu nuffin threads.
>>335232896
>>335232948
haven't read the book but I'm pretty sure champion of the light just means he'll be on team Naaru when it comes to the final war with the legion and doesn't necessarily mean he'll even be able to wield the light at all.
>>335232948
>hand me down
>the Ashrbinger
Fuck you.
Also Fordring is dead. He's a Death Knight now, so he can't wield it.
I'm not sure which pisses me off more; the PC becoming the new Ashbringer or Fordring being killed off so that we can be the new Ashrbinger while Thrall just gives up the fucking doomhammer.
No, No I think Thrall giving up one of his most cherished possessions from one of his closest friends pisses me off more, now that I'm thinking about it.
He killed Uther. That is the gravest sin ever committed in the history of Warcraft.
>>335231507
>he had every right
No retard because his father was still alive.
Any order of his can be ignored unless his fathers authority is behind it
>>335233108
>"fuckin' thing doesn't work anymore. Here you can have it"
>We will never get an alternative universe expansion where King Arthas rules over a prosperous Lordaeron
>We will never see an alternative universe where Uther tempers Arthas' actions and saves him from falling into the hands of the Lich King
>Queen Jaina Proudmoore
>Uther as Arthas' Godfather and Garithos as best man in the Royal wedding
I feel sad bros
>>335232948
Nigga thats what the fucking legacy of the ashbringer is.
If it weren't for the fact that it turns the undead to dust it probably would be known for "The hand me down sword of shiny light"
>>335233184
The AB or the DH?
Because Fordring literally CAN'T wield the AB now. It would sear the fuck out of him.
The DH, though, apparently thrall feels he's not shaman-y enough and isn't worthy of wielding the Doomhammer, despite the fact that the Doomhammer has nothing to fucking do with shamans or the elements.
Fuck, Blizzard making the PC into complete Mary Sues with all of this shit is the main reason I don't play that game anymore. At the end of the road, the horde PC is probably going to be come the Warchief and the Alliance PC will end up becoming King while Anduin either dies or goes off to live with his gay love Wrathion.
>>335226256
>Trying to make his own well of eternity because he can't give up arcane magic cause muh addiction
>Helping his people
Lol fuck off retard.
>>335232948
>My Paladin
>He wants to be the main character of Warcraft
Fuck off.
>>335233289
>Go to an alternate timeline
>do literally nothing interesting with it
Thats blizzard all right
>>335233289
>Garithos
no, Arthas would have severely disliked that idiot
Arthas would not have needlessly been a dick to (potential) allies, Arthas understands that certain situations require harsh and unorthodox methods and would have never gone "ITS FULL TREASON" for working with the Naga when the alternative was death
>>335233392
>expect an awesome exchange with Orgrim Doomhammer and Durotan
>expect Thrall to do his fucking best to save his best fucking friend
>the guy he named his city after
>the guy he still wears the armor and wields the hammer of
>LOL NOPE ORGRIM GETS KILLED IN A CUTSCENE AFTER TELLING DUROTAN TO FUCK OFF LOLOL
I'll never not be mad.
I'll never, EVER not be mad.
>>335233351
>Varian retires for peace
>during Anduins coronation he grabs the crown and goes "wait this isn't meant for me"
>turns to the player character and gives him the crown
>"hah that fits better"
>>335224467
>Yes, he did some stupid shit
Like killing almost all his people and raising them as undead?
>>335233528
I would shoot up the next blizzcon.
I would fucking do it.
Wait until the next expansion.
>World of Warcraft: Gods and Men
It'll be about the God Powered shit fucking up. With stupidly powerful bosses. Arthas returns and is back to his old Paladin self and helps you fight.
>>335233391
The player character basically IS the main character of WoW, dude.
>>335233364
>wanting to be a mortal
It wasn't even the new fucking well that drew demons back to Azeroth.
Honestly at this point you can't even tell what it was, some books say it was Dalaran being a huge warlockfest, others imply it was Sargeras being salty about being reckt by Medivh's mom, War3 implies it was a 10k years prepared revenge for WoE.
>>335233487
there can be only one OGRIMMAR
>>335233529
What's so bad about being an undead anyway? You retain your sentience and personality. You won't die of natural causes, you don't need food or water. There's literally no downsides unless you're controlled by a necromancer, but the same thing could be said about living as well
>>335233528
>Vol'jin appears after a reprieve in the Echo Isles
>says Bwonsambi told him he needs to step down
>says a more powerful leader, one who will bring true glory and peace to the Horde must rise
>kneels infront of the player character
>all of Orgrimmar kneel with him
>>335233707
you know, I'll never forgive blizzard for fucking up what could have been a god damn interesting night elf story by having malfurion deny his ENTIRE SPECIES their immortality again when it was offered post Wotlk and absolutely and utterly nobody in the entire night elf society have any issues with that what so ever
and then he lets highborne in and again nobody has any issues with that
seriously that right there should have led to a god damn civil war, and would have made for a fucking interesting story given that in cata all the old world zones were remade it could have very easily been the storyline of kalimdor alliance
>>335227905
Illidan was never dead.
>>335233783
>What's so bad about being an undead anyway?
You get sent to ultra hell when you double die
>>335233783
>What's so bad about being an undead anyway?
Your body slowly rotting away
>>335233839
It.. it did, anon.
Do you think the fire druids in firelands were just in it for the cool new forms?
>>335233839
> having malfurion deny his ENTIRE SPECIES their immortality again when it was offered post Wotlk
Sauce? I don't follow post Wotlk lore anymore.
Uther was the most righteous man in the history of Warcraft. He has no equal. I don't care if you wielded a legendary undead slaying sword. There is no artifact that could match the holiness that Uther carried on his shoulders. This man had so much honor and dignity that he defended his King's ashes until his final breath. He was so forgiving that, in death, he forgave Arthas for all the atrocities he committed. May the light bless his soul and may he rest in peace.
>>335233907
>this is what lore revisionists actually believe
He was confirmed dead at the Black Temple. He's actually getting resurrected for Legion.
Since they've opened this time-travel can of worms, here's what I recommend for Blizzard.
>Current expansion is Broken Isles. Ends Legion vs Old Gods.
>Next expansion is Ogre Continent of Old Draenor. Ogres playable for Horde.
>Lots of Ogre, Draenor, Old God lore, and the origins of the Twilight Hammer.
>Old Gods beneath Draenor. Plant and Fungus based, hence crazy plants and fungus on Draenor.
>Next expansion is The Underdark of Azeroth as we fight the A'qir.
>Qiraji, Nerubians and Mantids.
>Finally get that Ahn'Kahet underground zone.
>Twilight Hammer transplanting Draenor Old Gods to Azeroth to help bolster Old God corruption. We have to stop them and actively cull Old God corruption.
>Underdark is semi-filled with pulsating fleshy Old God cancer.
>War against the Old Gods not going well, next expansion is the Dark Empire, as we go back in time to learn from the Troll Empire how to kill Old Gods and the A'qir.
>We get to see a Troll cut a mountain in half with his sword.
>>335233783
M8 once you become undead you literally forsake your place in The Light's embrace, so once you kick the bucket you're spending the rest of eternity in SUPER HELL.
Slynvanas doesn't even give you a choice in this, you're going to super hell if you're undead
>>335233925
those were just a few druids not something akin to half the night elves rising up in a massive reactionary revolt against the Darnassus leadership
>>335226527
>only oldfags will know about this
Please die in a fire.
>>335233528
>>335233796
>make it a unique quest chain similiar to the AQ gong quest
>make only one leader per faction
>have world boss events that can be beaten only with their magical debuff
>dethrone them right after the season
You know it wouldn't even work with the fucking community, people would just take the buff and vanish for two weeks or delete character for more lulz
>>335233919
>>335234002
You're sent to hell because someone did something to you that's beyond your control? That's some fucked up system they have. Do Warcraft undead die by themselves or only when killed by others? Can I just ignore everything and go study in the archives for the next couple of centuries until the outside world calms down?
>>335234198
The problem would be making a PC so important in a world with pre-established Lore.
If you're going to make a PC a faction leader, do it in a game where the factions are largely player driven, like Wakfu.
>>335234297
In vanilla WoW there was a quest where you had to get mats so some chick could make her own death shroud because she was slowing becoming mindless, if that's canon than there's a chance that you'd end up as some mindless undead wandering in a library until come one comes by and kills you anyways.
>>335226898
>>335226476
>>335226087
The point isn't the skull, the point is that it's a sword. Paladins aren't supposed to use swords, because they kill. They have to only use hammers, because they "stun" (cf clerics in D&D). The moment he took the sword he renounced his vows and showed that he didn't give a shit about moral rules as long as he could get power
>>335234562
>hammers stun
Yeah tell that to Uther and Turalyon as they crushed orc skulls with their "stun" hammers
>>335234297
Yeah, it's why the raising of undead via any means is seen as the greatest abomination/crime one can commit.
Undead are technically immortal but living for too long will eventually cause them to take on a 'mindless state' where they lose all mental capacity and go full zombie.
I don't know m8 maybe you could escape from this fate seeing as all you're going to be doing is rotting away reading books
>>335234562
That's D&D rules you stupid fucker. Turalyon used a sword, and he's one of the greatest paladins ever
>>335234297
Undead are closer to the Void than the Light. They also die when they suffer enough bodily harm for whatever reason. And no, Undead lose their mind over time.
Does anyone even care anymore that we never found out what happened to Alleria and her group? I mean, that was from fucking WC2 (xpac) and we still haven't come close to addressing that outside of a brief call out in original hellfire peninsula..Haven't played since WotLK so maybe my lore isn't up to date.
>>335234890
>Undead lose their mind over time.
Nice headcanon.
>>335234938
They're getting into that with Legion. Hunters are even getting Alleria's bow
>>335234695
You don't get an answer until you cool your head
>>335234665
That's why I put the " " in "stun". It comes from a technicality in a real life medieval battle where, supposedly, a bishop was allowed to fight in a battle as long as he used a hammer, not a sword, for the aforementioned reason. Of course it's hypocritical, but that's still where they draw the line
>>335234938
You wouldnt want any of the new lore anyways.
Im STILL buttmad that anub'arak was a fucking footnote
>>335234961
see
>>335234532
It was implied in that quest that whatever she was suffering from wasn't uncommon.
>>335234961
Dude it was one of the first quests in Brill pre Clysm
>>335234938
>Does anyone even care anymore that we never found out what happened to Alleria and her group?
Nope. The answer was fucking retarded, hard to get hyped with it.
>>335234992
>hurr I'll ignore the fact that one of the greatest knights of the Silver Hand used a sword because the person pointing it out called me a name
>>335234997
>>335235006
So one quest is evidence that all undead eventually become aimless and mad? Yeah, no. There's plenty CANON books that say otherwise, in fact an undead was one of the voices of reason in the whole Theramore nuke.
>>335234997
>>335235006
Not that anon, but are we sure it applies to the player character as well? You may say that it can happen to those who don't have enough will (or however it's called in WoW) when PC undead have lived and fought for years without any problems.
>>335235076
No, I have nothing to gain to talk with an angry child who doesn't know his subject
>>335234938
Alleria eventually shows back up at the trial of Garrosh for his warcrimes
>Dude, I can't believe I'm meeting my presumed dead sister for the first time
>Bro, I can't believe it either but I have to tell I'm undead and I'm here to watch a nigger hang from the wicker tree by sunset
>Dude, I don't really care because I'm suicidal and my marriage to Turalyon sucks
>Bro, I have the best thing for you and it just involves you actually killing yourself and becoming Forsaken
>Oh shit, some dragons are freeing my execution we have to stop them dude
>Dude, now that shit is over how about you go about killing yourself
>I'm actually cool so I'm going to fuck off and not do anything until Legion
>>335235174
You mean the books where neltharion was mortally wounded by a dismantle spell? Shut up nerd.
>>335234971
After all this time why is it that hunters get her bow the most important point? Is no one concerned with where she has been or what she has been doing? No, just hi and gib bow.
>>335234995
You are likely and I as well thought that choice was perplexing.
>>335235038
What was the answer?
>>335235312
>What was the answer?
Her group is leading the army of light from different timelines to fight the one true Legion.
>>335235312
It's not the most important point, dingus. Hunters go on a big quest to find her with important NPCs, but they only find where she's been and she left her bow behind. It's an ongoing plot in Legion
>>335235282
>didn't even know about Turalyon
>claims I don't know my subject
>>335235307
There's in-game examples too. Just off the top of my head - notable lore characters fighting with the argent dawn, they've been dead a while.
Take your shadow priest undead headcanon elsewhere, fag.
>Burning Crusade
>"WE ARE THE WINDCHIMES OF JUSTICE! WHERE EVIL REARS ITS HEAD, WE WILL BE THERE TO FIGHT IT!"
>Wrath of the Lich King
>"Arthas who?"
>Cataclysm
>"Deathwing who?"
>Mists of Pandaria
>"The Sha who?"
>Warlords of Draenor
>"Iron Horde who?"
I swear to god, if the Naaru don't play a massive role in fighting the Legion, I'm going to pop a vein.
>>335235378
You are correct: That answer was retarded.I appreciate you humoring me though.
>>335235540
Well they already turned Illidan into an archangel of justice.
>>335235475
I'll educate you:
Turalyon picked a broken royal sword for exactly one battle, used it as a hammer (to stun the orc chieftain he was fighting) and never killed anyone with it. Then he kept fighting with his usual warhammer, wielding the broken sword more as a rallying symbol than anything. Do you get it now?
>>335235540
The Naaru are like Velen in that they ain't fin to do shit unless you literally show them Kil'jaeden at their front door
>>335235540
>Not realizing that the Naaru are always helping by channeling the Light to paladins and priests
>>335235540
I still think Ashbringer is Naaru-adjacent.
>>335235540
>Implying the Naaru are a force for good
>Implying they don't have one objective - kill all void lords
Arthas did nothing wrong. The king however was told not get the fuck out of the eastern kingdoms but instead he just told him to fuck off and did nothing. Arthas ever had that chance and the only thing he could do it try and curb the plague at its origin
>>335235660
There is literally not a single piece of official art work depicting Turalyon with a mace or hammer. Not one.
>>335235758
Seeing how they are behind everything that is wrong in the entire universe, I'd say that's a good goal.
>>335233351
>>335233108
wait, what the fuck?
tirion became death knight?
>>335235907
So did Whitemane, the final boss of SM Cath, Nazgrim, garrosh's Lieutenant, and a member of the Trollbane family who was not in the game until now. He's a big guy.
They're Bolvar's new Four Horsemen.
>>335235907
He gets killed off screen, and he willingly accepts becoming a Death Knight so he can continue to help fighting the Legion.
>>335236046
>and a member of the Trollbane family
Only the true fucking king of Stromgarde.
But yeah he's just some guy
>>335236046
Why do we need another four horsemen?
>>335236046
Jesus christ, they're taking the lore to loco levels.
I kinda like it. Go down in the biggest shitstorm of lore ever.
>>335236201
THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A FOUR HORSEMEN
>>335236220
You'll love Legion expansion then. Have fun battling demon star destroyers while wielding your special snowflake weapon.I'll be buying this garbage too
>>335236163
No, Thoras died.
Technically Danath is the true king. He's the only living (non-undead for you nignog dindunuffin zombies) Trollbane. Makes him the rightful ruler since death is meant to be a permanent end to your rule.
>>335236201
They wanted to do something with Bolvar's character beyond giving the PC weapons and THE FOUR HORSEMEN WAS SUCH AN EPIC FIGHT GUYS!!Everyone can see they're going to get corrupted somehow
>>335234890
Undead don't automatically lose their mind over time.
Being mindless Undead is based on who raised them, how badly they are decomposed and for how long.
If you mean that Sentient Undead run the risk of going insane by living beyond their normal years alongside the general weirdness of being Undead, then you are right.
take >>335234297 for example, this guy would go mad after his "centuries of study".
>>335234683
>rotting away reading books
I have not seen any mention of sentient Undead permanently rotting. If it's anything like D&D then they will be sustained mostly on the negative energy within them, or in this case, their link to The Void.
>>335236324
>giving them shekels
FFFFFFFffffucking WHY?
>>335236423
I thought Lothar was the last legit heir to arathor?
>>335236482
I will get my monies worth, it's not like I'll sub, tokens are easy as shit to get.
Everything after wrath is fanfic
>>335236530
Lothar was the last Arathi, but there were other people living in Arathor.
Stromgarde and Arathi highlands still has a human population, for example. They're just descendants of other clans/groups.
Here;
"In ancient times the Arathorian Empire fought against the trolls. They were led by Strom's most capable warlord, Lord Ignaeus of Strom, who came to be known as Trollbane. After the departure of Thoradin's ruling descendants, the Trollbane family ascended to the throne from the barracks itself. The Trollbanes, children of the legendary and feared Ignaeus Trollbane, were wielders of the dread sword Trol'Kalar, and the greatest champions of the realm."
Danath is the oldest living descendant of Ignaeus, and supposedly has a nephew, making him the rightful king and his nephew the heir.
>>335236612
Man EU tokes prices are through the roof, I don't have the time OR the willpower to grind out that much gold.
Guess I'm not playing.
>>335236530
>>335236762
>Stromgarde and Arathi highlands still has a human population, for example. They're just descendants of other clans/groups.
Hang on, I'm sleepy as fuck, lemme re-state that in a way that isn't stupid.
Lothar was the last member of the royal line of Arathi, meaning the descendants of the kings. The people remaining are Arathi-descended too, but not royally so.
Technically, yeah, Lothar was the rightful king until his death, since he could have waltzed back in and taken the throne back from the Trollbanes, but he didn't. With no heirs, that makes Danath the current king, since he's descended from Ignaeus.
>>335237021
>>335236762
>>335236612
>Blizzard makes a time-travel Xpac and doesn't let us fight alongside Lothar and Turalyon
>instead shills them out for the movie
Considering how bad WoD is, I'm not sure if I'm happy or not. The movie better be fucking good, I swear to god.
>>335236845
It's because not many people are playing right now. They become cheaper when more people are playing. At the start of the month I had to pay 83,000 gold for one. I've managed to get all of that back with 3 characters worth of Garrison missions and selling Savage Blood and Hexweave Bags on on character. But if I wanted to get another token right away my main character would be poor, given that before they spent 83,000 gold for the last token they had 130,000 gold.
>>335237195
>People casually throwing around amounts of gold above 10,000
That's Post WW1 tier inflation, Leigon's economy is going to completely fucked
>>335237141
If you couldn't tell from the baby moses imagery with Draka sending baby Thrall down the river that the movie wouldn't be shit then I don't know what to tell you.
>>335237361
garrisons made it completely ridiculous. You get thousands and thousands of gold doing nothing but clicking your table on some alts.
If your role is in demand and you get the bonus satchel for doing a heroic it has over 500g in it among other things.
Also, you can blast through old raids like cata 25 heroic firelands and vendor all the drops for thousands of gold every week.
>>335237492
That makes the small fortune I had in early Cata look rather pathetic (55k). They're going to have to go overboard with gold sinks to deal with that mess
>>335229912
Uther was the type of person to see a man turn into a zombie, eat his kids, and burn his house day and say "We can still cure him! Maybe other people aren't affected from this plague with a 100% kill rate! Set up a quarantine that we don't have enough men or supplies to hold and get us all slaughtered and the city populous escaping into the country-side Arthas!"
Meanwhile, Jaina is an arrogant whore to the extreme. "Oh hey, the populace of Dalaran, an entire fucking CITY of Wizards that have been doing magic and other esoteric shit has been studying this whole thing since day one and haven't been able to even figure anything resembling a possible cure or preventative out; I'm going to find a cure in a minute, definitely!"
Really, Stratholme was the right call, everything after that was an understandable mental breakdown from a lifetime of dealing with a weakling father for a King, a Too-Righteous-For-Sanity Father-Figure in Uther, and a vain self-centered woman that went on to actively help in the murder of her own Father to benefit people that have raped and murdered her home country for decades and later burned down her city anyway.
>>335233289
You forgot:
>Main universe Jaina travels to Alternate Universe for a second chance at Arthas.
>Bitch fight.
>>335237618
55k is a weekend of farming or an afternoon of AH magic.
>>335237632
wtf? Dalaran had no real idea of the plague. The whole point of sending Jaina was to figure out what was going on
>>335237789
Did she ever report to her superiors by the way? Why is everyone so goddamn incompetent.
>>335237896
At strathholme she wanted to TP to dalaran and try figure out a cure but Arthas said they must be purged now
>>335233289
there was a comic where Jaina helped Arthas with Stratholme and Jaina ended up taking Frostmourne and became Lich Queen.
>>335232093
Why hasn't Jaina killed herself yet?
Seriously, there is no way in hell Orcs would ever be allowed into the Alliance.
MAYBE Trolls, Tauren are a definite if they murder the fuck out of the Grimtotems and cut ties with the Orcs, the Forsaken are a No-Go, and the Blood Elves joined the Horde because they got ultra-pissy about the Alliance not making their problems the number one thing on the agenda, despite them being partially responsible for the strongest Kingdom of Humanity getting ganked, though granted they had misinformation on the matter which is why they "Only" sent mass amounts of Priests.
The entire thing with Garithos would have been solved at literally any single point if they tried to make contact with Stormwind, hell, if they tried to make contact with any of the Dwarven clans, Ironforge or Wildhammer.
>>335238059
>>335238290
>Jaina has white hair after the bombing of Theramore
>Arthas' hair turned white after his time in Northrend
>Jaina's temperament completely changed after the bombing of Theramore
>Arathas' temperament changed after taking up Frostmourne
>the Mana Bomb switched our Jaina with that world's Jaina and she's trying to destroy the Horde so that she can send her army of undeath south with much less opposition
>>335238290
>plate armor heels
what kind of filthy shit-tier art is this?
Also
>no proper thigh armor
IT'S LIKE HE JUST STOPPED TRYING FROM THE WAIST DOWN WHAT THE FUCK
>>335238290
>heels
>in northrend
>a continent full of Ice
>no fur anywhere
>no sppoopy glowing eyes
3/10, shoulders seem alright, gloves would be great if they had fur. Everything else is shit.
>>335238345
>Blood Elves joined the Horde because they got ultra-pissy about the Alliance not making their problems the number one thing on the agenda
They joined the horde because the Alliance backstabbed them in the starting zone and because Sylvannas was going the extra mile to get them to join
>>335238470
Is is what Social Justice /v/ looks like?
christ
>>335238635
They deserved it. Blood Elves have been shit bags for most of their existence
>>335228024
Quarantines usually make the populace very antsy and panicky, and that usually makes them riot and all the little bolt-holes and all the "secret" exits to the city used by the local underworld would have seen extremely extensive use getting people out.
Quarantines in general don't really work unless it's an environment already designed specifically for it, and I doubt they had the opportunity to build a wall around the entire walled city AND blockade the rivers.
Not to mention what happens when everyone turns into a zombie anyway, 40,000 knights and whatever Arthas brought to the table is all well and good, but it ain't going to do shit against the population of one of the largest, most wealthy, and most populated cities on the entire continent.
>>335238470
>what kind of filthy shit-tier art is this?
One that is in line with official Blizzard art
>>335224467
Did't this nigga smack down Muradin in FrostMourn Cavern with full intentions of killing him? Seems like a nice dude who knows how to treat his life long friends.
>>335238667
>social justice
Fuck off you stupid nu-male cuck.
She's wearing fucking heels in plate armor. That looks stupid as fuck. I'm a heavy armor fetishist, I don't give a fuck whether or not she's objectified, I care that the armor looks cool.
>>335226161
Holy fuck that frame rate is cancer
>>335227389
Because Warcraft is one those things that defined entire genres.
To videogames Warcraft alongside C&C was pretty much what LoTR was to fantasy.
>>335238762
Well that does make sense. Kerrigan also looks like shit.
>>335238059
>Jaina: Glad you could make it, Arthas.
>Arthas: Watch your tone with me, girl. You may be my girlfriend, but I'm still your superior in nobility!
>Jaina: As if I could forget. Listen, Arthas, there's something about the plague you should know...
>Jaina: Oh, no. We're too late. These people have all been infected! They may look fine now, but it's just a matter of time before they turn into the undead!
>Arthas: What?
>Jaina: This entire city must be purged.
>Arthas: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
>Jaina: Damn it, Arthas! As your future wife, I order you to purge this city!
>Arthas: You are not my wife yet, woman! Nor would I obey that command even if you were!
>Jaina: Then I must consider this an act of treason.
>Arthas: Treason? Have you lost your mind, Jaina?
>Jaina: Have I? Arthas Menethil, by my right of succession and the sovereignty of my crown, I hereby relieve you of your command and suspend your paladins from service.
>Uther: Jaina! You can't just--
>Jaina: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow me! The rest of you... get out of my sight!
>Arthas: You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Jaina.
>Jaina: Uther?
>Uther: I'm sorry, Jaina. I can't watch you do this.
>>335238962
>superior in nobility
>by my right of succession
Hol' up, what?
>>335238290
I'm aroused
>>335229037
>Her father was suing for another war with the orcs. You have to understand, this old fuck saw the second war, the siege of Stormwind, all that shit. He thinks the orcs are bloothirsty merciless savages and won't listen to Jaina saying they're not all that bad
And he was absolutely correct.
He didn't listen
>>335225918
They were best bros and Kel called Arthas "my king" long before he merged with Ner. Fuck off.
>>335229037
>He thinks the orcs are bloothirsty merciless savages
Well he's not fucking wrong
>>335239036
She's a woman, you fucking white male. It's current year already.
>>335239079
>dat foreshadowing
>>335238765
>>335238765
The Ice containing the sword shattered knocking Muradin out and or killing him depending on what you consider canon, had he been alive/conscious after Arthas took up Ice grief I imagine he most likely would've done something about Arthas going full evil dick.
>>335239036
Jaina was the heir of Kul Tiras, a human nation of equal standing to Lordaeron
>>335239207
>Kul Tiras
>equal standing to Lordaeron
So is that why their princess was Arthas's mistress? lmao
>>335229037
>muh honorable ocrs are just misunderstood
Jaina was wrong, she herself has realized it. Get over it.
>>335239079
>Uther hates orcs
>Proudmoore hates orcs
>Garithos hates orcs
>Varian hates orcs
>Lothar hates orcs
So why do we let them live?
>>335239132
>>335239207
>Arthas claims he has superiority in nobility
That would mean she can't order him around.
A princess of Kul'tiras couldn't order a prince of Loradaeron around.
I don't understand how you cucks don't get that.
If he had just kept the line 'I'm your superior as a paladin' there would have been 0 discrepancies.
>>335239247
>proudmoore raised a whore
>she never should have been sent off to study with those at the college full of liberal mages
>>335239296
Get over what?
I'm explaining Jaina's reasoning to someone who didn't 'get it'.
Did you waltz into a thread three hours later to tell someone off because you hoped they wouldn't be around to argue with you, so you could feel tough?
>>335239079
>vengeance cannot be a part of what we must do
>retribution
>hammer of wrath
>reckoning
>righteous fury
>execution sentence
>there is literally a vengeance talent for paladins
>>335224467
rip Arthas x Jaina
>>335239514
Paladins were a support hero up until WoW :^)
Because while Illidan is a fucking idiot, he never succumbed to the evil powers he was using, unlike Arthas.
>>335229942
Arthas didn't even fucknig know about the Lich King at that point. To him, Mal Ganis was the big bad.
Arthas didn't even give a shit about Lordaron anymore, he only wanted revenge because Mal Ganis made him spill his spaghetti at Stratholme.
>>335239514
Uther's a little old-fashioned.
He's also probably Holy, the faggot.
>>335239584
>implying they weren't support during Vanilla
>>335239419
>Another ass blasted Orc niggers true colours
wew
>>335239665
Oh, you're just retarded. Carry on, then.
>>335239626
>Vengeance cannot be a part of what we must do because otherwise your spec will fucking suck and you won't get invited to raids
Well he wasn't wrong then
>>335239597
>never succumbed
>became a demon and served kil jaeden
>>335229086
She kind of rules lordearon with the consent of it's people though.
>>335239584
then it's a clear sign of blizz completely losing the idea of what a paladin is supposed to be
>>335239247
>>335239398
>Jaina was getting human and elven cock at the same time
>Eventually starting taking orc cock as well.
Was there a bigger whore in Warcraft than Jaina?
>>335239715
Honorable elements be with you friend.
>>335239298
>arthas is a beta
>she would be the Queen of both Lordaeron and Kul'tiras with her puppet ruler fucktoy Arthas
>>335239730
>arthas rerolled DK because he was tired of being a healbot in raids
SUDDENLY IT ALL MAKES SENSE
>>335228024
>we know this how?
because in the mission, the population starts to become zombies right away?
>>335239626
>faggot
he probably cucked arthas
>>335231567
Wait, didn't the Nerubians (The Nerubian Empire Nerubians that Anub ruled over) fucking HATE anything that had to do with the Old Gods even the tiniest bit?
It's just that they were the Scholars / Mage-Priests of the Aqir that were literal finger-puppets to the Old Gods and specifically made / bio-engineered to be a slave race, so they were extra-super weak to mind-fuckery coming from the Old Gods so their absolute blinding hate was ultimately meaningless.
>>335239737
To further his own goals and to save Azeroth from the Lich King. I mean, the guy built his own army of demons to oppose Kil'Jaeden, even going as far as to purifying them of fel magic.
>>335239793
Man i miss WOTLK
>playing blood knight
>doing questing garbage
>some elf asshole drops out of the sky and tries ganking me because i was at 50% or so
>finish off elf at full hp
>>335228024
what's the point of letting them turn into zombies when they are doomed anyway
better they never turn into zombies to begin with
they might have not understood why arthas came to kill them, and they might have seen it as an injustice, but from arthas point of view it was the right thing
he knew better
and had they known of the inevitability of their fate and had they been in a position where they were able to judge this objectively, they probably would have agreed
>>335219934
So did Hitler, but the jews won't leave it alone, so it's most likely the jews fault.
>>335239934
blood was fucking god mode
>>335239987
The whole point is Arthas took away their decision.
He murdered a bunch of PEOPLE. They weren't zombies yet they were people. He purged a bunch of civilians. Generally looked down upon and he did it in passion instead of going for a quarantine
>>335240096
>quarantine
There was a fucking demon teleporting around and harvesting zombies right to his giant fucking fully undead base. Quarantine fags are more delusional than Uther was.
King Terenas was a weak man and a poor king.
>>335240037
>>335239934
Excuse the editing and shit music. The fight is the focus, but Cranius is a little theatrical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgrPQIsieEs
>>335240096
quarantine for what? they would turn into zombies sooner or later anyway
and now think about what the fate of undead is, it's still up in the air whether they get to the same hell-like place sylvanas goes to
now you're dooming your people forever by letting them turn into zombies
at least if you kill them they will be able to pass on and be at peace, instead of having their soul tortured forever
>>335240096
>not just waiting for them to turn and then killing them
>now they go to hell because all undead go to hell
But at least I didn't kill them while they were alive and still relatively innocent.
>>335235848
Man, the Naaru are literally just Light.
And the Light sure as hell isn't by default "Good", it's Righteousness and conviction pure and simple, you want to kill babies that are literally the most pure and innocent creatures ever born in the infinite multiverse? If you believe yourself righteous enough and have some background with the Light, it's going to be your greatest ally in bashing that baby's head in.
>>335240267
>>335240297
>saying a bunch of shit Arthas had no possible way of knowing
He didn't do it for those reasons. That's shooting an arrow and drawing a bullseye around it
>>335240239
Doesn't make any sense considering he commanded the alliance and defeated the 2nd horde and made Lorderaon the strongest kingdom of the continent
>>335240193
Maybe if he attacked the demon instead of the people Uther would have helped him?
>>335233471
Ok, how about:
>alternate universe where Garithos does not get fucked over by Elfs doing nothing and his people are actually saved by them
>Garithos becomes a beloved embassador for human-elf relations and both Keal'thas' and Arthas' trusted friend and advisor
>universe where Garithos truly never did nothing wrong
>>335238059
Uh... Name of the comic, please.
>>335240367
who says he didn't? what if he at least suspected it? what if that is part of their believe? they believe in the holy light, why wouldn't they for example believe that zombies are doomed forever or something like that
think about reallife
if a real zombie invasion would break out, don't you think priests would run around thinking that those who are turned into zombies are doomed souls that won't be allowed to enter heaven?
but all that aside, just for the simple reason that there is no hope for them and that they could hurt and even infect other humans if they are kept alive, arthas HAD to kill them
uther and jania were just retards
>>335235724
Isn't it canon that Ashbringer was forget out of a purified dead Naaru anyway?
>>335239773
Every single female Dragon in existence.
Even the dead ones.
>>335240638
Especially the dead ones
>>335240571
>who says he didn't.
Fucking Arthas because he never mentioned that? There is literally 0 reason to believe that Arthas knew that undead go to super hell.
The whole point is he DOESN'T KNOW THERE IS NO HOPE.
He is rash and passionate. Those are 2 defining characteristics of Arthas. Jaina wanted to teleport to dalaran and bring mages to try find a cure and Uther wanted to quarantine and Arthas just said NO THERES NO WAY TO HELP except he had no idea and was probably suffering from PTSD and slight panic because of nearly dying until Uther saved him
>>335240638
Lots and lots of babies. I tried to find some egglaying alexstrasza for this post but I failed
>>335240638
"Every" female dragon? I mean, we all know about Alexstrasza, but...
>implying rape means being whorish
>>335240752
That's the reason Malygos went ultra-insane.
It wasn't that his entire flight was teetering on the edge of extinction, it wasn't that magic was fucking everything up, it wasn't that his Concubine / Immortal Waifu was murdered.
It's that his Concubine was murdered, ending their "Till Death do Us Part" vows, and she ended up slutting it up with every Scourge that still had a functioning cock, and rigor mortis counted enough.
>>335240774
>DOESN'T KNOW THERE IS NO HOPE.
yes he does
they have no cure and they were about to turn into undead
retard
>>335240915
How does he know there is no cure?
This plague didn't exist until a few days ago.
>>335240997
He was a Paladin.
If a dose of stuff formed from the conceptual idea of "Heal this illness" made from the exact opposite of the energy the illness is made from doesn't work, arcane means probably isn't going to work either.
Posting whore.
>>335241106
Uther was his superior as a Paladin and he ignored him.
"probably isn't going to work" That's the whole point he never even tried another solution
Arthas was a flawed person and it was his downfall.
http://img00.deviantart.net/d98f/i/2013/056/9/8/alexstrasza___desktop___by_sunderhart-d5w9bdu.png
>>335240997
they had no cure available is what I mean
there was no way to cure them before they turned into zombies
and you can't just keep all zombies alive in the hopes of one day maybe finding a cure
we kill zombies all the time in wow are we all evil?
I would shoot anyone in the head if they were about to turn into a zombie in a matter of minutes and I had no cure available
nothing that can be done about it
>>335241140
>>335241175
Stop posting before I verbally assault you
>>335241140
>>335241175
>big fan of dragons before WoTLK
>Always imagined Alextrasza to be motherly or matronly
>this comes out
I'm not sure why I expected anything less. I guess technically she's immortal and ageless, and she does have to keep all her consorts entertained, but it's almost like seeing your mom in a bikini, I guess. It just feels wrong.
![alexstrasza___desktop___by_sunderhart-d5w9bdu[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/6JZlnkK.png "alexstrasza desktop by sunderhart-d5w9bdu[1]")
>>335241229
I fucked up
![alexstrasza_1_by_insane_pencil-d3gbdzq[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hfCtGf2.jpg "alexstrasza 1 by insane pencil-d3gbdzq[1]")
Check below the belly button
>>335241298
You sure did.
![alexstrasza_by_xxxmeelyxxx-d32z29d[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kxc1SRV.jpg "alexstrasza by xxxmeelyxxx-d32z29d[1]")
Now for the nudes
![alexstrasza_by_slugbox-d3lnpcb[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/EtLlTHP.png "alexstrasza by slugbox-d3lnpcb[1]")
![fea29a0f038ed4747ed46b153997c581[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/n5L1I6N.jpg "fea29a0f038ed4747ed46b153997c581[1]")
![super_mega_alexstrasza_and_dragon_soul_1_by_laaaar-d8g5e15[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/tVM30JK.png "super mega alexstrasza and dragon soul 1 by laaaar-d8g5e15[1]")
![alexstrasza_cosplay_by_tashacosplay-d5igbd9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UwnSHBZ.jpg "alexstrasza cosplay by tashacosplay-d5igbd9[1]")
>>335241448
Still waiting for that 1 second ban from mods
![chibi_alexstrasza_by_gamu_chan[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TjRqZD8.jpg "chibi alexstrasza by gamu chan[1]")
>>335241745
You're gonna get banned for that. Have some consideration, this is a christian imageboard
Alex is pure! Pure!
>>335241827
not giving a fuck
End of google image search dump
![killyourselves[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/tZItLq7.png "killyourselves[1]")
![1367479445[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ouCplfd.jpg "1367479445[1]")
![alexstrasza-cosplay-wow[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mUU5f6J.jpg "alexstrasza-cosplay-wow[1]")
![alexstrasza01[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/w34bRAA.png "alexstrasza01[1]")
![CRYq824[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SSqhKcV.jpg "CRYq824[1]")
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/7NU1583.png "latest[1]")
![Alex[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/inw2aom.jpg "Alex[1]")