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Daily reminder to kill all Eldar on sight.
Come ooon. Are we all so busy purging that we can't take breaks to share our tails of the xeno-hunt?
>tfw Eldar within ramming-range
Fuck off OP. Too busy playing the game to talk right now.
>>335155237
Okay okay fine.
>>335154194
>tfw running away (sneakily kiting) from Eldar into a trap as Chaos
>wait until they waste their boost to close the gap thinking they'll finish me off
>180 and boost right at them
>send out all of my bombing wings as I crit lance their engines and setup shield bombs while they panic
>The enemy has conceded
Erry tim. Best part is that I run a Slaaneshi fleet so it was extra sweet.
The best way to bait Eldar is to lead them into thinking they've got the upper hand, then punish them severely for their hubris.
>>335156123
Slaaneshi is shit-tier Chaos God.
>first escort mission in the campaign against Orks
>prepare for a real heavy fight
>they approach
>both their large ships fly straight by me to eat my escortees
Fuck.
I thought Orks wanted to fight and kill above all else?
>want to serves the gods
>shit at the game
End me
>>335156694
Don't mind me as I tempt your captains with feminine penises making them break.
I'll be on my battleship 'The Fortress of Rape'
>>335156902
Don't forget Anon: you're only casual, if you give up.
>>335157013
>Not calling your battleship MAXIMUM FUCK
r u even trying
>>335156795
Da Orkz be brutally kunning, or kunningly brutal, boss
>>335157013
My heaviest ship is known only as "Impregnator".
Are the Tau in-game? If so, do they get the Mantas?
>>335157291
First thing that Tech-Priest cunt tells me is that "Oh, don't worry, Orks can't into tactics! They're thick as logs!".
>immediately outsmart me and go straight for my VIP targets
There again I am also an idiot, so that might be the reason.
How do i win the imperium of man, getting stomped most of the time in MP/ Help me get gud
>>335157353
Not yet but they'll probably be one of the first new races to be added if the game is successful.
>>335157269
Slaaneshi name conventions is all about decadence and debauchery, tasteful while still being very un-tasteful.
"MAXIMUM FUCK" and more straight on names are better fitting for the spess muhreens when they arrive if you wanna go with an angry marines theme
Does game randomly crashes almost every mission only for me?
>>335157353
The second race/faction that's coming is either Tau, Necrons or Tyranids.
Here's hoping for all of them eventually.
>>335157571
I've played for 7 hours and I haven't crashed once. That being said I've just been playing the campaign, maybe the MP's unstable?
Am I the only one hoping for more campaign with the inevitable DLC/expansions?
I don't get why you fuckers didn't like the story.
>>335157436
Don't be afraid to get up close and personal.
Spam torpedoes and be front aligned now and then to fire them off or use your lances, also higher armor up front to soak up damage if you are approaching into their firing range, but not your own yet.
Ramming with the defense buff is highly recommended.
Try not to get split up and overwhelmed, and keep them at 3-6km distance if possible.
Autocast lightning assault on your long range ships and boarding pods on your closer range/brawler ships. less shit to keep track of that way, muckin' about with the turning thrusters is stressful enough as is in the current torpedo spam meta.
Grab the skills that fit your own playstyle, be it bombs, mobility or utility etc.
>>335157353
y'all niggas need some Greater Good
>can't even decide what missions to do in skirmish
Yeah, I sure do love those early impossible convoy protect missions and other shit tier stuff.
>>335158570
>no warp travel
>relevant empire
>This game
sins of a solar empire is way better and a warhammer 40k total conversion mod for it would be fantastic.
STRAWBERRY IA
>>335159574
Apples and oranges. That's like saying Age of Empires is better than Civ.
>>335160247
...the fuck?
Just how the fuck do I even play with Chaos? Supposed to have great long range weapons and their fragile ships should be kept away. My ships can't stay away from even slow as fuck ork ships unless I constantly baby sit what they do even if I have put their engagement ranges max. What am I doing wrong?
Also, if I order them to engage with their lances, they just sit in place and without moving and not caring what happens around them.
>>335160567
He's right, you fucking idiot.
A 4x space game is vastly different from a tactics based naval game.
>>335157571
I have almost 40 hours of playtime since the beta opened in march and I have yet to crash.
>>335161384
>micro management heavy, mobility based faction is harder to play then the mindless fire and forget brawler faction
Whoda thunk it?
>>335161958
You know you're the exception, and not the rule, right?
>>335159253
>he wan't to travel into the immaterium every time he wants to go somewhere.
>he wants to risk being raped by deamons or getting lost in the warp.
>>335161384
frontal mode will just put your ships aiming at the enemy with the prow whenever they are in range, immobile.
broadside makes them circle around them while moving
You wanna break the shield and pop 'take aim' and pray to the four that you crit their engines and shields
The fuel refill skill is a gift from the chaos gods, highly recommended.
Always take note of what the ships are meant for by looking at their stats, weaponry and weaponry angles/range
Some of the cruisers have devastating broadside macros, lances and are slightly faster, but in turn have lower range and less 360 turrets. You wanna go armour, shields and survivability for these.
Others have launchbays and longer range weaponry, basically carriers meant to muck about at 12km
Then you have the 12km+ snipers/artillery which are basically more weaponized versions of the carrier type, but none or less launch bays.
But yeah, Chaos combat doctrine is basically to be an annoying cunt keeping away at max distance and rail lancer and bomber hell on them. Try not to get caught in close combat if possible.
>>335157571
pirate? i saw comments on codex's release that it crashes a lot. maybe it's a bad crack.
>>335159253
>>335162228
>>335162380
I just "acquired" that version. Installing right now, installer music is 6/10.
>>335161853
You fucking moron.
God.
What a piece of fucking shit.
Both games are still real time fucking strategy games.
In sins, the fucking capitol ships can cast abilities and special weapons.
You can fucking build massive fleets and colonize planets, or destroy them from orbit.
Would fucking fit well with a fucking wh40k total conversion mod that you can fucking play rather then this fucking game where it only lets you toy around with 3 fucking ships in space.
>>335159574
Comparing this game to Sins is absurd. It's a real time tactical game not a 4X.If you're waiting for a Sins sequel that will never happen as I am check out Stelaris. It's probably the closest we're going to get.
>>335160243
I swear I've seen that same French guy/site giving low reviews to otherwise positively received games before.
>>335162140
The dude crashing every mission sounds more like the exception.
>>335162584
>doesn't understand what makes a 4x game a 4x
Yeah, I'm the stupid one alright....
>>335162704
Because he's the only one affected and not one of the hundreds of guys on the forums complaining about the very same thing or anything.
>>335162584
Sins is a real time 4x game with an emphasis on economy and expansion, the combat in Battlefleet has way more depth than battles in Sins because that's what the game is about
>>335162747
Both games are still real time fucking strategy games.
>>335162584
They are similar, but the combat is much heaver in BGO due to angles, collision, torpedoes etc.
This game is also more of a conversion of the tabletop game with some liberties taken.
While you control more ships in the tabletop, it is also turnbased so you can accurately manage way more ships than the 3+ ones you have in the pc game. Just managing 3 ships mid-battle is a stressful micromanagement nightmare when there's torpedoes, bombs and rammings to avoid at the same time.
>>335162864
>>335162951
Lets just pretend they can both be converted to wh40k space strategy games.
>>335162881
Just kill yourself already you giant fucking idiot. It's pretty obvious that no amount of explanation is going to work it's way through your kilometers thick skull.
>>335162837
They don't represent the norm either. Yeah, it sucks for them that they're having problems but playing the issue up isn't going to change the reality of it. They'll have to wait for a fix or use more reliable hardware.
>>335154194
Only buying it when the Tau comes.
>>335163103
Yea I get it, they are both completely different.
One is a strategy game where you command ships, and the other is a strategy game where you command way more ships.
>>335163268
better hope its the second announced faction then.
>>335157571
Pirated version crashes every half hour or so. I guess CODEX will have a new crack up at some point.
>>335163290
You command a LARGE EMPIRE in a 4x game you fucking retard.
In this you merely command a SMALL FLEET and upgrade it to the best of your abilities.
Yes, there's a fucking difference.
Is it fun?
>>335163657very
>>335163312
who else could it be? i gueess there are necrons, dark eldar(please no) or tyranids to chose between.
>>335163657
Yeah man, if you like fleet combat it's great.
The ships look great as well.
Who's playing the campaign here?
Has anyone met any of the named chaos ship, ala Terminus Est yet?
>>335163549
You don't command an empire, you command ships in real time. Sometimes you split them into multiple smaller fleets. You create an empire by commanding those ships to colonize and defend worlds, but the main gameplay is commanding ships into battle, to the best of their abilities.
I plan to get this when it goes on sale.
>>335163783
I'm gonna bet it's necrons
>>335163930
the sudden DoW II necron update would make sense then.
>>335163783
dark eldar only have 1 cruiser and some escorts, wouldn't work at all.
So there's a 33% chance its either of them.
I'll be fine with any of them though.
>>335162523
Cmon m8 what's the sauce
>>335163860
And the extent of tactics in that combat is your ships parking in front of each other and simply focus firing everything down. Sins is probably my favorite space strategy of all time but that guy trying it compare it to this is absolutely retarded.
This game is too fucking hard for me to grasp. Played few hours already and even when I win against AI in skirmish, it rarely feels like victory.
I can't even believe how much micro I would need to perform with massive fleet when my ships can't do shit alone and AI does everything perfectly, like keeping distance or advancing in close combat.
>>335163860
if you can't understand the difference between different types of strategy games nobody here is going to convince you, just go stick your head back under your rock and hope that everybody will be dumber by the time you come back out to learn about the world
>>335164175
What faction are you playing? Maybe I can give you some help.
For starters space bar activates bullet time and you can use the custom battles to keep playing lower point fights till you feel comfortable enough to play larger matches.
>>335162228
>he wants to be relevant on a galactic scale
>>335164175
It's not that hard man.
Like example:
You have 2 dauntless cruisers, both are close range scrappers. So put them on 3km distance, so you get in nice and close.
Right click boarding parties & emergency repairs. With your Dauntless MK2, you can spin around and launch a point-blank torpedo spread.
Or when facing escorts, let them close in and then boost forward.
That is.. if you are playing against AI. Don't know about human players, doubt they'd want to snuggle in close.
Oh and watch out against Orks, they love to ram.
>>335164219
I understand the difference, it's just that they are not as different as in your over-exaggerations.
All I was trying to say was that a wh40k mod for sins would be a lot more fun than this game.
>>335162523
What the fuck is that from
>>335164024
They're completely unrelated games, companies and publishers
>>335164334
>>335164481
I tried Chaos and did some campaing missions. Imperium feels okay, since I just need to get close and ships actually try to do that even alone. With Chaos though they just can't keep their distance against anyone if they are left alone even for a second. Even some ork ships reaches them and rams them fast. I've seen others besides me having this same problem with Chaos. Is this faction just too advanced to play as?
Description says they have great lances with good range. If I set them to use those, they just stop moving and be a target. Should I just keep using those broadside cannons let them circle enemy forever?
>>335163268
FOR THE GREATER GOOD
>>335164681
No they're not. Warcraft 2 and Medieval: Total War are both real time based strategy games with medieval settings but that doesn't make them comparable types of games, and going into a Total War thread and talking about how much you would prefer Warcraft with a historical mod would be ridiculous.
>>335164929
Just to rile up some interest again. How else would you explain updating a ancient game like that
>>335164463
Hey man you don't have to control the world to be relevant, just look at Switzerland.
>>335165049
>no 40k anime ever
>>335165354
They're about as relevant as any other non-faction alien race at war with the Imperium
That is, not at all
>>335165071
Chaos are just really weird to play, they rely on kiting a lot. I haven't personally played as them yet but I have 40 hours as imps and from what I can tell the best strategy with them is to play with detection ranges and strike craft.
Bring an probe or something and spot the enemy then remain outside of their detection range the best you can so they can't fire back. You can use silent running to go back into stealth after you've been spotted and get back outside of detection range.
Bombers should be used against orks as they have too high of a troop rating for assault boats to be useful but not enough turrets to reliably kill your bombers. Bombers also target their rear armor which is the weakest (you can tell armor ratings on the ship stat screen at the bottom of the HUD. it displays like 75/50/50 which means front/side/rear armor.).
Assault boats are good at crippling ships with poor troop ratings and are best used against eldar but can knock a system or weapon off of any enemy ship if you're lucky.
Fighters are for countering enemy strike craft (bombers/ assault boats) and torpedoes. They don't seem to have a fixed duration and last until they shoot something down so it's smart to deploy them at the start of a mission since your hangars should be recharged by the time you actually engage the enemy.
>>335165150
You're retarded.
People conditionally go to total war threads and make the exact kind of suggestions I made.
>>335164024
In the lore. Didn't the Necrons have a role in the Gothic war?
How is the Space Marine faction and do they play differently from the Imperial Navy?
>>335165831
Wouldn't that be the ultimate heresy?
No 40K could use a well-animated western series.
>>335154194
>Come this close to buying the game
>Learn about #dlcgate
>Glad I procrastinated
FEEL THE BERN
>>335165946
The Deceiver talked Abaddon into the whole thing in the first place, So I guess so.
>>335165946
Probably, the whole Gothic campaign was about Abaddon recovering some Eldar built C'tan killing doodads
>>335166014
They aren't in the game yet, they come out in a few weeks. They're in the campaign and a kind of limited AI controlled faction you can assist to make their favor cheaper.
>>335165913
Thanks for the help man. Gonna use those in my campaing play. I think I'll continue with it and move on to skirmish after that. Chaos seems lot more micro management heavy faction compared to imps and thats just too much for me after so little playtime.
I honestly went with Chaos just because I've used to play board game with them. Got World Eaters army sitting in my shelf.
Is the SP campaign any good?
>play 2v2 with impy bro
>torpedo salvoes shot at the beginning
>they spread perfectly and hit ALL the enemy ships
>enemy capitulates when the second salvo hits
>>335165865
pls don't bully the Swiss
>trying to read loading-screen tips
>computer is too fast for me to read them
Fuck.
Friendly reminder you share this thread with tautists
So how are the orks in this?
>>335166753
Tau fans on /v/ are typically people who don't even like the 40k setting and generally just miss the point. muh cyborg suits and weeb imagery + greater good = they're good guys amirite
>>335166853
orky
>>335166497
It's pretty great so far.
Really captures the atmosphere.
>>335166853
Brutally cunning or cunningly brutal. They have lower accuracy at mid and long range, very good against boarding, highest ramming damage, slow and not maneuverable. They have boarding torpedoes (torpedoes with boarding crews inside, as orky as it gets) and funny voice lines.
Eldar are the most skill demanding race, truly, the race of real patricians.
Other races are for plebs and shitters.
>>335165945
No, they don't
>>335166853
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHgu_fBlSjk
Best they've ever been.
Is the emperor really that great?
>>335166405
Also known as all the artifacts in the black legion Codex supplement.
Does anyone else find the greatest satisfaction in ramming close formation massed escorts and light cruisers through flimsy eldar toothpicks feebly trying to hit and run?
Remember, class. SLOW XENOS: DEAD XENOS
>>335166753
>>335166860
>muh grimdark future
Fuck off autists. Tau are the future of the galaxy.
In only 6000 years they have better technology than humanity.
Submit to the greater good. Fast.
>>335161570
Eldar are OP
And poor IA.
>>335166860
>waaaaah
>>335166014
The same they were in the TT, strong boarding actions and brawling ships.
I also guess their strike cruisers would be than faster than IN cruisers.
>>335167207
Nowadays he's just a psychic lighthouse.
>>335167203
how do i git gud ork kustom points layouts
>>335167203
Because they're Freebooters, not regular Orks
Freebooters are objectively best Orks
So how did the game turn out? Worth the cash right now? Give me you honest unbiased opinion /v/
>>335164754
>>335164061
It's from a video called "METACHAOS" on youtube
>>335167207
Take a wild guess.
>>335167537
>In only 6000 years they have better technology than humanity.
This, along the "tau can't be possessed" meme needs to die.
Enjoy the fact that they will be wiped out as soon as some minor chaos god wants some fun and infests all your AIs casually wiping you off the galaxy.
>>335167773
It could be your empire too, anon.
>>335167207
Also since I assume he was born as this immortal being wouldn't that mean he's some kind of mutant or xenos scum?
>>335167537
They have no real warp travel, making their expansion slow and extremely limited
Their well equipped armies are only so well equipped because they have astronomically fewer soldiers to equip in comparison to anyone else
Their shitty depth perception means human pilots will always be better than Tau pilots
And their plasma is actually weaker than what the Imperium fields
>>335167653
There isn't a single female character so no.
>>335167982
Nope, the emperor protects :^)
>>335166497
Hell yeah. I'm really curious as to how my failures early on are going to fuck me later. I wonder what would have happened if I'd failed to secure the hand of darkness
>>335167998
Ye but they have cuter chicks
Is it actually good? I was thinking of picking it up.
>>335168168
>>335167653
If you really want to wait for a sale you've got two months to get it and the first two dlc races will be free.
>>335168160
>cuter chicks
eeeh, with a paperbag maybe.
>>335167994
He's so much Human he was born as the Overman
Holeymoley Slaanesh has some THICK daemonettes
>>335168495
>Not wanting to kiss someone with a triple forehead vagina
What are you, gay?
>>335156795
Same here, poor AI is poor. Yay for Steam refunds.
>>335167994
He was born from the greatest psykers that mankind had, basically in pre-historic times there were these beings called shamans, which forsaw what would happen to the eldar, fearing a similar fate for mankind they all united, suicided and merged their souls into one super-soul, which would then go inhabit a fetus, eventually giving birth to the Emperor.
>>335168751
That Sister of Battle is about to have a real bad/good time.
>>335157420
It wouldn't suck if every ship wasn't a huge drawn out slugging match. If that is the way they want it to be, then the escort missions are very poorly implemented.
>>335168831
How do you kiss something with no lips?!
>>335168890
>refunding a game because you are too shit to beat the AI.
Can you be more casual?
>>335169075
Just jam your lips up to the opening and waggle your tongue around inside
>>335169023
Nah, ten seconds later the planet gets wiped by cyclonic torpedo
>>335158720
Same feels.
>>335154194
>700 point limit
this is dogshit i want my 3000 point tabletop battles
>>335168890
>giving a single fuck about the tacked on AI or campaign
battlefleet gothic is a tabletop game. you are meant to be playing multiplayer.
git fucking gud.
>>335164061
>>335164754
2 seconds on google you lazy fucks.
it's a short film Yoko Taro made that ties into Drakengard/Nier
>>335163268
>tau
anon have you played battlefleet gothic tabletop?there are no tau
>>335169238
This is my main complaint desu, at least let us decide how many points we can field on custom battles.
>>335169238
How do you increase the point limit?
>>335162951
*some* liberties taken? Ships bumping into one another didn't happen in my tabletop. I could also adjust the angles of my ships very cleanly. Not making those things happen automatically in the video game is pretty bad. Made me feel like I was playing DoW again.
>>335169379
Quit lying. It's some shitty music video.
>>335167632
Think they will have Kaptain Bluddflagg in the ork campaign?
>>335169238
This needs to happen
Here's a good battle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHdvgDQhOpA
what the fuck is up with the point system in this game
ive been doing a bunch of 2v2's with a friend started with level 1 fleets
and after a few matches, every game we do the enemy team has a minimum of 10 fucking ships cause somehow everyone but us gets to field 2 light cruisers each in addition to 5 fucking escorts
i dont understand why all of our games are 6 ships to fucking 10
>>335154194
Is this game worth 30 bucks?
>>335169797
If you wanna adjust the angle of your ships on the spot, then you need to stop the engines and click where you want to align to.
Or just play imps/chaos and use the retros liberally.
Either way, the answer will always be more micro and faster.
Torrent crashes every 5 minutes, so can't decide if I like the game enough to buy
>>335169238
I think the micro would get overwhelming but I expect them to add higher point battles if they LET US FUCKING CHOOSE WHICH MODE AND HOW MANY POINTS DO WE WANT HOLY SHIT I HATE DATA CAPTURE AND CONVOY
>>335170361
it is kind of lame that its not turn based, since its supposed to be a carbon copy of the tabletop game
blood bowl did a really good job of emulating the table top (blood bowl 2 is sadly fucking complete shit, the devs even created custom rules to differentiate themselves from tabletop for BB2)
>>335162523
>99 insight
>>335155067
>Ork tries to ram from quite some distance away
>dodge
>ram him in return just when he leaves his boost and is sluggish
Eat that, fucker. Ramming is definitely the most fun part of this game.
>>335170523
>>it is kind of lame that its not turn based
pls no
>>335169731
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Battlefleet_Gothic#Tau
>>335157529
I could see the Marines Malevolent manning the MAXIMUM FUCK
>assassination mission
>always the attacker
>enemy flagship always hiding at the edge of the map making it impossible to kill before the timer runs out
>planetary assault
>my "capture points" are always at the edges of the map
>the AI get theirs in the middle next to their ships
etc etc. I really wanted to like this game but fuck this RNG bullshit. Not to mention they slapped it in to the campaign as well which is dull as fuck because you repeat the same missions over and over again with an out of place loading screen between each battle which makes you feel disconnected from the actual battle and the campaign itself. A lot of wasted potential.
>>335170523
look up battlefleet gothic: leviathan if you want 1:1 conversion of the tabletop.
>>335170350
don't buy it if it crashes for you. There are steam reviewers that experience that and are left disappointed.
>>335156795
Pretty easy to stop them from doing that actually. Let your light cruisers enter the battle first and then sneak past with your transporters.
You will have to micromanage a few times to let your transporters dodge their ramming attempts but otherwise it's easy peasy
>>335170602
t. babby who didn't play tabletop
>>335157629
I'd assume the next one will be the Necrons, seeing how they are involved in the Gothic campaign.
Eventually we will get all of them if the game sells well enough though. Gotta get that sweet DLC money
>>335170823
The whole point of having a computer simulation is that we can play stuff in real time. Tabletop games are turn based because it's not feasible to have them work with real-time.
>>335170735
>mobile & tablet only
>>335170708
Yeah, the RNG is bonkers.
>escort mission
>chaos torpedo ships everywhere
>It's not like i wanted that renown anyhow
And what the fuck is up with the timer on the enemy warp jumps? Shit takes forever when i do it, but chaos pulls that shit in 5 seconds.
>>335170708
this bothers me as well.
Every time there is some defence or escape involved and you are on the attacking side you bet your ass your two boardings will fail and that the enemy will juts float to the edge away from you for two minutes while you infuriately rage after it with boosters at max.
And if you are the defender the enemies will just charge headlong into whatever you are defending and destroy it as fast as they can.
The rng and "clever" bots are making this game a bit of a drag.
I do love the regular space clash battles though
>>335170697
christ, tau didnt have anything back in the 90s, now i'm angry
there is literally no reason for tau to be a faction, multiple novels point to the fact that the tau are utterly inconsequential on the galactic stage
>>335170523
>it is kind of lame that its not turn based,
fuck off , for real.
Does the cogitator mode work in MP? I assume not and it gets me kind of worried, if I can't micromanage in peace I will get utterly fucked by everyone
>>335154194
Is it just me or does this game just feel really tacky and cheap? I mean the menus, the campaign, the controls, everything feels off.
Missions in this game are total bullshit. How the hell do I steal info from that Chaos ship when my light cruisers cant reach it even at full speed? 4 fucking tries already. Not to mention how fucking fast they destroy one of my light cruisers every time.
>>335171071
you are aware that battlefleet gothic is a turn based tabletop tactics game and not call of duty with ships, right?
>>335170748
That's disappointing
>>335167727
OH MY EMPEROR!
>>335171097
afaik it works but you have a limited time to use it for, last I played was in beta so it may have changed though
>>335171118
Everything has that DoW II aesthetic, except maybe a bit worse. especially with the cheap glidy cinematics and stuff.
The UI is also really strange, bloated and overdone imo.
Decent game under all that tho
>check out 1d4chan's BFG armada article
>the strategy parts are dogshit written by a complete idiot who can't play imperium
Time to fix it.
>>335170941
>Neckbeards pushing their ships with those warmap minuture figures pushing sticks like crazy while throwing dices left and right with some markers here and there for good measure.
Now I want to see it
>>335170523
Bb2 is getting better, sadly at a pace of nothing for months. Norse are finally coming out though and look great.
>>335171319
>cheap glidy cinematics and stuff.
It's because they made the ships feel like tabletop models.
>>335171131
figure the devs h o p e f u l l y will look into it. strange it didn't get worked out after the beta, there must have been people pointing it out as boring gameplay to just chase something for two minutes and then watch as it ports out
>>335169106
>>335169349
The more people push ideas like "git good casual" more poor quality content developers will feel it is ok to get away with. If we as a community push for a higher quality of game the better the chance things will advance to an overall better place.
>>335171414
until they revert the rules changes they made to try to "balance the game" (when the point of blood bowl is to NOT be balanced) as well as release EVERY SINGLE FACTION from blood bowl 1, i won't buy it.
>>335171205
Yes you fucking moron, I used to play TT, but thank god we have computers that can simulate the game in real, which is always the superior choice, now fuck off retard.
>>335171479
>If we as a community push for a higher quality of game the better the chance things will advance to an overall better place.
you're forgetting about the ones pulling the strings who don't care what a gentile like us has to say
>>335171425
yeah that's fine. but i meant the UI being huge and clunky if that makes sense? and especially the opening cinematic where the inquisitor talks to spire after torturing him, check his damn mouth just wobble up and down real adobe flash style
I'm legitimately getting my ass handed to me by the AI on normal. I have a feeling its not because I'm particularly bad either. Seems they get some kind of bonus to their torpedo and boarding party success rates.
>>335171591
okay so you're just a massive casual, i bet you play blood bowl in blitz mode too.
i really wish i had the power to murder people like you with my mind, clean /v/ up a little.
Thoughts on Firestorms?
>>335171631
I mean, they had a very tight budget and it doesn't look that bad. The UI didn't look terrible for me, of course it could be better but it does its job. Now the real issue I have is the lack of hotkeys.
>>335171680
Same here. And really, stay away from more micro heavy factions like Chaos and Eldar at the beginning. Those are really pain to control without experience in this game.
>>335170347
Well yeah, that is how you play this game. That isn't how the tabletop played. My expectations were all buggered up most likely because I saw it presented as a PC version of the tabletop. I goofed when I assumed the game would have tooltips, good AI, and a properly built tutorial. Once I saw the error of my ways, I was fine with admitting them and returning the game.
>>335171741
>I'm a superior person because I'm a pedo who enjoys doing nothing whilst the other party takes forever to decide what to do
This is you.
>>335165946
>Didn't the Necrons have a role in the Gothic war?
They are the reason for the Gothic war. The Deceiver tricked Abandon into starting the campaign to make sure that the Fortresses get fucked up because those were capable of destroying the C'tan
>>335170287
Yeah, I'd say so.
>>335171847
I'm playing the Imperium, each ship has about 7 different skills to use and I have on average 4 ships in every battle. Seems a bit excessive to me.
>>335171519
A safe bet, on more exciting prospects they are releasing slann starplayers in this upcoming patch so we might get frog team.
>>335171809
oh yeah of course, i can totally see that their budget wasn't that of an AAA game and i can't complain about the finished product, i enjoy the game. just pointing stuff out
>>335171802
best frigate
>>335171847
I did great as chaos but I have experience with micromanagement from RTSes and Dota. It's not overwhelming unless you're in 700 points battles.
>tfw in PvP 2v2 and you notice the other dude is too busy microing his ship and left alone a few escort ships
>>335171910
I get where you're coming from, and that's fine.
>>335167203
Is that some fucking Red Gobbo at 1:11?
>Figure I'll torrent it to try shit out, not familiar with Battlefleet shit at all
>Crashes hard after the first 2-3 turns. Like clockwork.
Well shit. Any of you fellas with legitimate steam coppies experience this?
>>335171802
Reliable, more than widowmakers but wms are better at dealing surprise damage. Wearing your enemy down slowly or taking them down with surprise melta torpedoes?
Widowmakers are better imo but they require a bit more micro.
I am playing the campaign and I feel like I'm missing something here.
I'm on the mission where you're suppose to steal the Chaos plans from their ship, early in the first chapter.
I have two nice big cruisers, one light and one, less light.
The problem I keep having is that whenever I steal the plans, they just steal 'em back and warp out.
Am I missing something here, they just seem to be staling for time, and they're so fucking fast.
Do I just need to git gud?
>>335167574
I can't wait to fuck up some xenos with a battle barge
>>335172171
runs like a clock for me so far, around 8 hours into it
>>335172171
Works on MY machine.
>>335172171
Look, it's known that the CODEX crack is slightly fucked. Everyone with a pirated copy experience this.
I've been playing since release, and haven't experienced a single crash.
Explain to me how Data Recovery isn't a shit game mode, all it's about is who has more lightning strikes.
>>335172208
Basically it's fucking stupid. You need to exploit the disengagement timer. Stay close to the chaos ship, don't board or use lightning strike until he starts the warp procedure. Board him, let him board you back, board him AGAIN with the other ship and hopefully his boarding shit is on cooldown and you can warp away.
>>335172321
>>335172321
I've heard it runs well with the 3DM build, I think I'll start a new game and see what's what.
Buying a bunch of plates sometime soon, need the actua 40$ for some more weight.
Squatz.
>>335172208
i feel that you are meant to taste defeat and accept it at that mission. you have three light cruisers against you, unless you bait out at least two of the raids from them without them destroying anything important and then manage to steal it it looks pretty much impossible to clear. fucking rng though.
>>335172476
>Squatz.
RIP
>>335172418
No-one can defend this shit mode.
>>335172208
In these you gotta make sure you can steal the plans and warp out with the ship you used to steal safely it's a bit difficult at first but once you get the hang of it it's a lot easier. Control things like taunt and stasis bombs work wonders for he mission type
>>335172440
>>335172208
Taunt ships trying to warp it supposedly kills the warp procedure.
You could also try rocking two ships with the Lightningstrike upgrade? Or maybe a Cruiser with Assault Boats, focus engines/generator
>>335172527
They've been back a while now
>>335172527
Is it some new mem? I still remember when it was Squatz N Oatz
I don't stay up to date damnit, I'm getting too old.
How do you make Ork viable without ramming? Once you start getting matched with decent people they never let you get anywhere close enough to ram.
I don't want to abandon best faction, but it's starting to look that way.
What kind of weapon type should you go for as IN? Macro cannons out of the ass or lances?
>playing a 2vs 2
>my ally nurgle ship is called "Crusty Cumsocket"
>>335172986
Macrocannons and Nova spam while closing distance seems the best
>>335156123
very lore based strat
To all the imperial players who use nova cannons in pvp
THANKS FOR THE FREE POINTS
>>335172986
Macros seem great for imps. Got that upgrade that makes them armour piercing at 3k ranges and less.
>>335172440
Will Lightning Strike also steal the plans? I thought it had to be the other shitty side-board thing?
>>335173407
Yes. Lightning Strike only works on unshielded targets, boarding works on anything as long as it's in the AoE. They do the same thing.
>>335173407
i've only used lightning strike for it
>>335173208
ironically, the media mostly spreads left-wing propaganda, but still largely supports the same 'capitalists' that this image implies.
>>335173407
Nice, I think I'll attempt to lay down the fire then. See if if I can't cancel their little warp with a good Taunt.
>>335172608
I think I might look into outfitting both my cruisers with upgraded Lightning Strike.
Thanks guys!
>Emperor class battleship with mechanicus favor + upgrades fielded in battle for the first time
>fighting orks
>stray ork torpedos hit the Emperor class ship
>engines destroyed immediately before I even get it in to battle
>it spends the rest of the battle slowly moving towards the fighting but always too far away and too slow to catch up
>mfw
They really should allow you to repair critical damage somehow.
>>335173662
The american "left-wing" is everybody else's right wing. Your right-wing is our extreme right.
>left wing party
>supports economic liberalism, death penalty, loose gun legislation, aggressive international policies etc etc
>>335170523
t. micro shitter
>>335173789
I tend to not take slow ships against orks, you need to outmaneuver them.
>>335173789
Repairing huge ships engines and critical systems without shipyard would be too "unrealistic"
>>335174128
>>335174128
It would be kinda ridiculous considering the sheer fucking volume of Imperial ships.
Those Engine Blocks alone could probably crack a planet if you tossed them at one.
>>335174128
Well at least having an option to reduce the effectiveness of something else to boost engine speed to destroyed engines would be nice. Getting bad RNG at the start of a battle really is just boring and frustrating.
>>335159253
Most importantly
>no melee combat
>>335157420
To be fair, Spess Marine tactics are things like 'smash into the enemy at maximum speed, firing your bolter and swinging your sword for the Emperor'
Chapters like the Doom Eagles who make extensive use of stealth, speed, and Dreadnoughts are considered weirdos (besides the fact that they ARE weirdos).
>>335174115
>mfw i go into 3k range battles with macro cannons as imps against orkz
They actually go pretty well most of the time, but I really need to brace for impact and do evasive manouvers to avoid those rammings.
>>335174128
Just throw some techpriests at it, they'll fix it in minutes, tops
>>335173789
I kind of agree but I think the battles are too short for that to be a thing. I would love if you could take a separate version of the repair ability that healed half as much but gave you back one system that was destroyed.
>>335174393
I'd think ruinous Chaos powers could do some engine possessing even in event when they are completely destroyed. Chaos gods can into very fucked up things.
>>335174479
>To be fair, Spess Marine tactics are things like 'smash into the enemy at maximum speed, firing your bolter and swinging your sword for the Emperor'
Seems about right
>>335174534
Arent battleships at least 8km long?
Friendly reminder some anon is putting together an imperial music playlist for BFG Armada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA0jY2b_QpI&list=PLMi_cG4mCoCjKe-CBWUMknX-_bTZmOhzD&index=1&shuffle=217
>>335174889
Bold brothas better get featured son or you are getting purged
>>335174479
All Space Marines were Scouts, once
Their choice to eschew standard strategy and tactics is largely ideological
>>335174889
If this doesn't make you /readyToPurge/ then you are officially a heretic.
>>335174489
>>335174115
I don't think it's too bad. Whenever you see them charging up those drives you just enter cogitator mode, do a sharp turn and fire your own engines. Works pretty well.Sometimes I even manage to ram them in return
>>335174889
>Sins of a Solar Empire - TEC theme
Good shit.
Reminder that Chaos Gate still has best WH40K soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXe0RfMHvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjrfAfbt72Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG-ukxyr5Ug
>install micro warp jump ugprade
>literally 0 valid positions every time
Buyer's remorses.
>>335174479
>To be fair, Spess Marine tactics are things like 'smash into the enemy at maximum speed, firing your bolter and swinging your sword for the Emperor'
Pretty sure their strategies are far superior to that of regular humans, too - it's just that those stories are written by humans so you can hardly expect them to describe superhuman strategies.
>>335175243
Wait anon don't tell me you are actually using the tactical cogitators?
>>335174889
Fa/tg/uy in the other thread suggested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyDKezDLGTM
It's perfect
>>335175243
>cog turns
Oh, how i love doing those.
Fuck your torpedos, fuck em all. Can't hit what controls time.
>>335175318
>not final liberation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnJ4DyIU-E0
>>335175413
Yeah. I'm too shit to micromanage all my ships with maximum efficiency at all times without it.
>>335175423
I'm wary of putting classical music in there because of the intros.
https://youtu.be/pRR-FUKnimM?t=305 would be amazing if not for the lengthy intro
>>335175378
>everyone, get into heavy metal canisters and smash into the planet at maximum FUCK
>we dub this maneuver STEEL RAIN!
>>335175345
Is a ship infront of you ?
Yes?
Valid position.
Warp ram it.
Shit's especially fun when you're ramming someone who's warping out.
>you thought you could escape me in the warp!
>I am the warp
>>335174768
>The Litany of Litany's Litany
Naiß
>>335175632
That's not what I was saying. I'm saying I can't click to warp. The shape is just red or clearly means this is not a valid position.
>somehow manage to find myself BETWEEN 2 Ork ships
>both decide at the same time that it's time to double-team my little asshole
>my engines are shot, my boost is gone, and my quick-warp thingy is on cooldown
>NotGettingOutOfThis.tfg
>I force my ship forward in a desperate attempt to move
>taunted
>"Of fucking course"
>both Ork ships have now hit the big red button and are charging into me from both sides
>they come charging in, only seconds from my utter destruction
>my last words:"Brace for impact?"
The lesson of the day was that if you get rammed by two ships at once, they will also damage each other quite a bit. I won that fight.
Fuck I love this game.
>>335175719
Are you trying to warp within your LOS radius?
>>335175813
Yes.
>>335175608
>drop them right into strategic positions at a speed that makes it almost impossible to intercept them
Sounds like a pretty good strategy to me.
>>335173846
You're parroting talking points that come from the media.
The American Left Wing is no different from the left wing in any other country.
What you think is "right wing" about it is the fact that they are still beholden to corporate interests - but the exact same is true of every "democratic" government in existence.
>>335175345
>>335175719
>can´t micro warp jump ever.
Are you sure your engines or command deck didn´t get destroyed?
>Chaos carrier players
>Launch and run away from me constantly
>Run away from them and hide in dust clouds so they can't launch fighters
>"Stop running this isn't fun"
Apparently its only fun if I run my ships right into you.
Can't run it without it crashing whenever it wants.
also uses up a lot of RAM
Goddamn.
Can anyone comment on chaos strategies?I don't actually own the game, but I like reading about it
>>335176181
Keep your distances, whittle down enemies slowly with chaos bombers, deathclaws, slaaneshi psychological warfare etc.
>>335176142
got a couple of fatal errors yesterday, none today though.
>>335176181
Be a little pussy bitch that runs from a straight fight the way you ran from your sworn duties to the Emprah
>>335176142
I hope devs fix these problems fast so you can play too. Did you try different video settings?
Is there any consequences if I do some side mission while there is some critical story mission too? I have one deployment left on this turn, so I wonder if some world is fucked if I don't do it now.
>>335174889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy90Y0npYoQ
>>335165340
I believe the publisher had a contest between its games to see who would get a new free dlc.
>>335170139
>when you dont have a deep voice but try and talk like you have one
>transformers soundtrack
>>335162523
>Get a good warhammer game
>pirate it
Fuck you.
>>335176696
anuu cheeki breeki
>Tau in the lead
Why do people like such a shitty race
The crashes seem very specific.
I've played the game for about 9 hours now and I've never experience a single crash.
>>335177102
So desu kawaii fampai
>>335177102
>Taus
>Able to use the Warp
also, is there an IG navy or is that all encompassing?
>>335176181
Kite, if you feel you're too close kite some more.
>>335177102
Wouldn't mind Tau honestly.
>>335177284
>>335177102
Taus are objectively the least interesting race.
NO PS4 = NO BUY
>>335177273
The IN is the sister of the IG
>>335177102
>Tyranids
What an awful choice.
I'd want Crons, then Mechanicus, then Tau.
>>335177102
>Rogue Traders as a whole faction
They're too busy off having absurd, borderline heretical adventures and fucking xenos to stoop to fleet combat
>>335177372
ok, just confirming.
>>335177357
Can you imagine trying to play this game with a fucking gamepad? I'd rather just not play it.
>>335177102
of the three, tau have the most interesting playstyle
>>335167123
When I'll ram your cruiser's ass with a mere orc escort and almost destroy it you'll talk differently
>>335177273
IG doesn´t have spaceships of their own, the Navy ferries them where they need to go.
>>335177102
T A U
A
U
>>335177423
>that rogue trader section in the Ravenor books
So is this the part where tauplebs swarm the thread and ruin it?
>>335177561
ARE SHIT
>>335176016
They needed micro jump so you can't position with an enemy vessel in the radius around the new position
>>335177561
I'd fight for her greater goods if you know what I mean
Hypothetically speaking, if a group of Aliens came across the Imperium and offered their loyalties would they be accepted or exterminated?
>>335177586
The one that ot the warp infused glass? Or the half-robot rogue trader he used to ferry him around?or was that eisenhorn? I forgot
>>335177862
Exterminated.
>>335177862
Depends on where in the Imperium you are. If it's someone who's playing 100% by the rules they'd shoot at them.
>>335177935
The flects, warp infused rock drugs
>>335177678
Isn't it always? Their shit race is so irrelevant they have to ruin good threads for attention.
Fuck Tau.
>>335177862
Can they offer anything of crucial importance? The navigators aren't real humans, and neither are the highranking Mechanicus Magi, yet they are still accepted.
Also the Wolves, but they are only accepted because the Inquisition always fails to wipe them out.
>>335177862
The Imperium is absolutely not above using aliens to further its own goals, if they know their place.
Before the xenophobia got out of hand, many alien species used to be protectorates of the Imperium
They've even hired Orks
>>335177862
Depends if there's a Chaos or Nid incursion nearby. There have been instances of the Imperium working with Aliens temporarily to fight a greater evil
>>335177862
If the emperor were alive probably
>>335178096
>The navigators aren't real humans, and neither are the highranking Mechanicus Magi
Yes they are.
>>335178289
>navigators
>human
In their dreams.
For the Magi you could argue, since they at least used to be human.
>>335178289
Navigators are massively inbred because the Navigator gene is the only thing that keeps them in the Imperium
And the AdMech would be fully mechanical if they could get away with it
>>335178337
Navigators are humans with a few different genes, like albinos are actual human beings.
can i run this on a 2gb card?
>>335178289
With the shit that is going on in Belisarius' basement I would be careful to call the navigators human.
>>335178584
I have 1.2GB and it works fine.
>>335178584
I run it on a gtx 960 2gb, you should be fine.
>its a convoy/data recovery mission
>its a skirmish mode where you cant even choose what kind of mission you want to take
Why did they do this? Why?
>>335177862
Probably not. Most alien races wouldn't be willing to call themselves inferior in all way to humans and live as second class citizen within the Empire. And there is the ''Is this race a threat or could eventually become a threat to humanity?'' part that pretty much ensure all sapient races to be disqualified from integration.
There are already non-sapient species who can serve as cattle, pets or tools within the Imperium though.
>>335178473
They're mutants who can't breed with regular humans or their defining trait is lost
Just because they look like humans with three eyes doesn't make them any less Abhuman than Ogryns or Ratlings
>>335178717
>>335178759
thanks guys
>nova cannon started off strong as shit
>each successive patch it has been nerfed and now it is useless
>>335178584
I can run it on medium with a .5gb card. You should be fine.
Power Ram or Short-Burn Torpedos for a Tyrant?
>>335179367
Do you want to have fun or not have fun?
>>335179525
Fun.
Ram it is.
It's a pretty big oversight to be able to damage separate ship components without giving you any idea of how damaged those parts are.
Still trying to figure out some decent tactics. Most battles I just get a couple of torpedo volleys off before closing in and opening up the broadsides
POST SOME FUCKING WEBMS YOU HERETICS
should chaos ships use micro jumps to jump into ramming range and ram their enemies to death?
I figure they'd be especially good at it with their higher speeds.
>Finally Hit 8
>Use Despoiler
>Battleship lasts two battles, tops
>Two turns of repair
>rinse repeat because everyone loves to destroy that fucking thing
>still need fucktons of renown for all the upgrades
I thought I'd git gud at this game by now but holy fuck it's hard
>>335179598
You are wrong anon. You don't damage ship components until they fail. You are targeting them in the hopes that a crit scored against the ship is assinged to the system you want disabled.
>>335179782
Their ships are not made of strong enough stuff for ramming
>>335179782
Generally no. Chaos have a flat 50 armour all around so they take a fair amount of damage when ramming unlike the Imps and Orks who have very high prow armour.
>>335179915
But other than the pop up text that appears when you score the crit there's no indicationof which parts are damaged. I just want to be able to click on an enemy ship and it tell me.
>>335179598
They only have "functional" and "broken". There is nothing inbetween
>>335162584
You do realize this is based upon a specific tabletop game, and not just the general Warhammer 40k universe right?
>>335171070
>multiple novels point to the fact that the tau are utterly inconsequential on the galactic stage
Yeah you keep telling yourself that.
>>335180183
Yes it does. Select a ship and any destroyed systems are displayed above the hull's HP and are greyed out on the left so that they can no longer be targeted.
>>335180384
They might become relevant if they had a few more millennia. But the 40K universe is approaching it's grand finale, there is no chance for them to make it out of their infancy
Jesus fuck there are so many Taufags ITT.
Fucking kill yourselves already.
>>335177385
>I'd want Crons
Only if they actually manage to balance these OP as fuck assholes and looking at the current Eldar I'm not very confident.
>>335180395
Ah I see. I usually skip tutorials on games but this really needs a decent one more than most.
>>335167537
>In only 6000 years they have better technology than humanity.
6000 years being completely shielded from the worst that the galaxy has to offer since they're situated right next to Imperial space which happens to be governed by one of the most prolific space marine chapters in the setting
Give the Imperium 6k years of peace and they'd probably be back to DAOT levels of power
>>335171378
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/142079/space-cadets-dice-duel
>>335180663
>But the 40K universe is approaching it's grand finale
Only if GW deems it so. Which will probably be never.
>people actually play fifthly xenos
>>335181817
>implying anyone can resist that heresy
>600 point 2v2 game
>Number of ships to destroy: 3
>>335181817
I'm kind of mad that eldar are just elves now. They were so much cooler when they were high elves X sectoids X thinmen.
I've never gotten so beaten up in RTS game like in this now. Most of these missions are just really fucked up.
>>335182259
If it's any consolation according to /tg/ you're supposed to lose a lot of the missions to follow the canonical events of the Gothic war.
>>335167203
>cannons launching gretchins
amazing
>>335180663
>>335180384
>>335171070
The recent lore says that the Tau have ascended to be a major player/power in 40K. So stop lying. The novels make it clear that the Tau are on the rise. Despite the Imperium's best efforts, the Tau beat back two massive Imperial crusades.
>Warboss Grukk Face-rippa leads a rampage against the Tau Empire! The Tau have seen plenty of conflict during their brief ascension to the status of major player in the far future, and quite a lot of that conflict has been with Orks.
-WD 108
I'm playing at 1280x1024 resolution, and the UI (only that, not the game nor the menus) is weirdly stretched. Am I the only one?
>>335182512
Was that Hand of Darkness relic supposed to be lost? Because I somehow managed to let inquisitor ship to escape just now. That ship was just about to get destroyed when it warped out.
>>335182667
>Tau
>Major Power
Any faction that gets outsmarted by Orks and agrees to a "Cultural Exchange" with the Dark Eldar is not going to last long enough to even count as a minor power.
>>335182512
>>335182914
Abaddon in the true canon quite easily takes the Hand of Darkness and the Eye of Night. He personally leads the attacks to capture them.
He gifts the two relics to to daemon Primarchs to secure their allegiance in the 13th Black Crusade.
>>335183162
So I managed change events then. I wonder how campaing goes if I would have failed to protect it.
>>335183267
You'd have to deal with three blackstone fortresses, instead of one.
GUYS TAUS ARE RISING!!!!
>>335182512
What are you supposed to lose? did they list the events?
>>335182914
Yes, the other relic too.
Spoilers of how the gothic war went:abby steals the 2 artifacts, steals 3 blackstone fortresses, first blows up a planet, then blows up an entire star system, eventually loses and fucks off with 2 black stone fortresses in the eye of terror while the remaining 4 auto-destruct
>>335183505
You're meant to lose both artifacts
>>335181138
The imperium could never have that; in the absence of xenos, there'd be internal strife.
Even if the Emperor came back he'd have to fight long and hard to clean up the mess that is the imperium at present
The game is so good, too bad my machine is an old pos and can't run above 20fps. One day brothers ;-;
>>335183058
>Any faction that gets outsmarted by Orks
All factions have been outsmarted by Orks. Every single one. You raising this as a point means you know little about the fluff.
And by the way, Farsight got outsmarted because he didn't use standard Tau anti-Ork tactics. Despite this, Farsight defeated the Waaagh! and reduced the warboss to ash.
>"Cultural Exchange" with the Dark Eldar
The Tau have the excuse of being desperate and not knowing who were the Dark Eldar.
What's the excuse of the Eldar for allying multiple times with the Dark Eldar and then not seeing the inevitable backstabbing that follows? One craftworld invited Dark Eldar aboard once, you can guess what happened next.
Basically, you know nothing about the fluff. You have no point. And like it or not, the Tau have ascended. If they hold on longer, then the future will be theirs.
>>335183550
I did that mission first time on normal, it seems any mission where they can warp out willy nilly after 3 minutes is actually difficult.
Relatively new to 40K
I play Dawn of War almost every other day and read stuff on the wiki and check some youtube videos from time to time.
Why do people hate the Eldar, Tau and Necrons so much?
>>335183673
>desperate
>big player
kek
>>335183535
I guess I fucked up his plans then already. Thanks for the hand abby
>>335183590
It took humanity 200 years to conquer the entire galaxy, anon. The Tau have been jerking off in their part of space for ~2000
>>335181138
>Give the Imperium 6k years of peace and they'd probably be back to DAOT levels of power
Given the inner-politics of the Imperium and given that the fluff outright states that the admech has forgotten how to truly innovate, I don't think so.
>>335183743
Eldars are smug pretentious space elves on the brink of extinction. Necrons are cool undead robots.
Taus are fucking unsufferable. Their fans on /v/ are typically people who like them because "they're the good guys" and they're a weeaboo faction. The thing is they're not the good guys and they're insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
>>335183743
Eldar are dicks
Oldcrons were liked, newcrons are a copy-cat of tomb kings, though you can still play as oldcrons but it's all meh
Tau are for weeb-fags like this retard>>335183673 that doesn't understand how 40k works.
Where da Sisters at?
>>335183743
Nobody hates tau, it's their fans that are insufferable. They are like the weebs who never shut up about how strong their favourite shonen protagonist is and how he could beat up any other character from anything else.
The worst part is that GW understand this is the core tau market and puts out shit to feed this mentality so that the little retards buy more tau models.
>>335154194
>data retrieval boarding mission
>board and get data, initiate warp jump
>chaos ship instantly gets data back
Nah fuck this game
>>335183803
Again, you show yourself that you didn't read the fluff.
The Tau in the system attacked by the splinter fleet were getting desperate because most of the Tau armies are busy leading an expansion into Imperial space. You know, the major expansion where they curbstmped the Imperials repeatedly.
>>335183743
I think it's impossible to genuinely hate any of the races but because of the nature of the table top individual races have their own followings and some are more autistic than others.
For instance; dark eldar players think they're relevant and that the second or third DLC faction might be them even though they had like 2 ships in the table top.
>>335183920
>Tau are for weeb-fags like this retard>>335183673 (You) that doesn't understand how 40k works.
Please tell me how it works because so far you provided no sources. Showed yourself to not know anything about the lore.
>>335183985
No, Imperialfags are annoying.
The minute somebody mentions the Tau they start throwing disinfo around and when somebody corrects them they act like complete bitches.
Are you supposed to lose the mission where Chaos takes back the artifact? Or is this one of those annoying games where you need to respec all the damn time?
>>335184059
So the Imperium is dealing with various full-size hive fleets, necrons, constant chaos attacks and orks attacks, eldar and dark eldar dickery, psykers blowing up into daemon gates plus the thousand of smaller annoying xeno races like tau on a daily basis, but the tau struggle the moment they have 2 fronts open?
>tau
>big players
>>335184346
No, you can win it.
>>335184346
I'm on turn 11 or 12 anon and haven't lost a single battle.
>>335170350
Try the 3dm crack.
>>335184346
AFAIK you're not supposed to lose anything but some missions are indeed challenging.
>>335177102
>that feel when want Eldar craftworlds over the shitty corsairs
>will never have them because 2 eldar factions is redundant
>meanwhile Taufags will get in
REEEEEEEE
>>335183868
>The thing is they're not the good guys and they're insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Actually, there are few prophecies about the Tau rising to inherent the galaxy.
The greatest seer of the Eldar, Eldrad, believes that the Tau will surpass Eldar greatest feats. Do you even understand the implication of someone as arrogant as him admitting that?
>>335184363
Don't worry, tauplebs are getting their share of nids fun.
>>335183743
>Eldar
They are supremely arrogant and never properly communicate with the Imperium, the one faction they should be allying up with.
Because these space elves are never transparent with their intentions and just do whatever the hell they want, whenever the Imperium sustains losses when getting involved with the Eldar, the Imperium figures that the Eldar are being treacherous pricks, but in reality the Eldar might just be trying to suppress an even greater threat.
>Tau
This faction is incredibly weak and insignificant compared to the other factions that they should have been wiped out ages ago, but get special treatment from GW.
Also because this faction attracts weebs who don't understand the setting and genuinely who think they're not an evil faction
>Necrons
Retconned from incredibly badass murderrobots to tombkings in space who squabble with other tombkings in space for power.
>>335184594
>Tau rising
>>335183367
Also good thing the plot never moves forward and the Taus will NEVER EVER be relevant.
Is Abaddon the Despoiler as strong as Daemon Primarchs?
>>335184363
Did I say they were the BIGGEST players around?
No, they are not comparable to the dominant power in the galaxy. However, they are among the major players in the galaxy like Sautekh dynasty and the Eldar Craftworlds.
>>335184780
He's a clone of Horus, so yes.
>>335179114
The launch version raped the eldar hard too.
The holofield changes basically made them unplayable, due to the fact that macro cannons laugh at the 50%chance to miss thing the Holofields impose on them. The sheer rate of fire macro cannons have means that enough is gonna get trough to wrek the eldar vessels.
Eldar escorts are basically pointless now, as they blow up if enemy as much as sneezes at them.
>>335184817
>taufags are this delusional
big player means you can stand up to everyone else in the galactic FFA, you taufags get wiped off the face of the galaxy as soon as someone looks at you for more than 2 seconds before going back to dealing with serious threats, both the eldar and necron own means to end the galaxy, the tau are nothing.
>>335185048
Yeah I am rather upset about that. I don't think the eldar were OP in the beta at all and I defeated them more often than they did me.
Deldar are cool now but still completely irrelevant to Battlefleet Gothic.
Though they're my favorite and I'm jonsing for the modern iterations to appear in any video game I'd probably take the Crons or Nids over them.
>>335184659
>This faction is incredibly weak and insignificant compared to the other factions that they should have been wiped out ages ago, but get special treatment from GW.
False.
Index Xenos Tau and the Damocles books "Kauyon" and "Mont'ka" says that the Tau are too powerful for the Imperium to destroy. It would take enormous resources and manpower for the Imperium to try it and it isn't a sure shot.
Try using the fluff next time.
>>335184695
>points fallacious graph
How about the fluff? The Tau are rising in power. A fact multiple Eldar farseers and the High lords of Terra have commented on.
Also it's stated that should the Tau survive long enough, they b;aze through the galaxy. So unless you have the script for the 40K End Times, you don't know what happens in it.
>>335185193
Reminder that Tau unironically tried to ally with Dark Eldar and had an entire planet's population kidnapped because of it
>>335185097
>big player means you can stand up to everyone else in the galactic FFA, you taufags get wiped off the face of the galaxy as soon as someone looks at you for more than 2 seconds before going back to dealing with serious threats, both the eldar and necron own means to end the galaxy, the tau are nothing.
False.
Again no sources given. Just MUH OPINIONS and FEELS.
The Imperium has made two attempts at wiping out the Tau. Two massive crusades. They all failed. 11 more and the Tau will start calling the Emperor armless.
>>335185309
>It would take enormous resources and manpower for the Imperium to try it and it isn't a sure shot.
The Imperium has more important things to do than order Executus on a handful of planets in the same sector. Like, fighting the actual players.
Taus are rising but it would take them a while to get in a relevant position. They're not here, period. And the plot doesn't move forward so Taus are stuck in their eternal mediocrity.
>>335184659
There is a very good reason for why the Eldar don't communicate with the Imperium.
Picture related explains it rather well.
In short, it is pointless, as the humans would more often than not, just not listen to the Eldar, go against their advice out of spite, or just shoot them due to their own dogma, greed, paranoia etc.
Imperials are a bunch of untrustworthy savages that are not worth dealing with in civil terms, as civility is a foreign concept to them.
>>335185369
Thats what I like about the Tau though. They're the only honest good guys in a grimdark universe of shitheels. Being adorably naive is part of that.
Though I suppose thats just headcanon now with "lol they're secretly run by evil cunts and the whole empire is some spooky cultlike bullshit"
Fuck that, it was way more depressing and interesting when they were billed as the only people that'd talk first and shoot second but are ultimately too nice for their own good. In a galaxy of dirtbag irrational warmongers the Tau are just too clean, too fresh and too small. Thats grimdark.
But I haven't paid attention to the fluff in a few years so I might be talking out of my ass with how they are now.
>>335185369
Daily reminder that Craftworld and Exodite Eldar allied with a Coven of Dark Eldar. This ended with the Dark Eldar teleporting the exodite world into the Dark city and making it as a Tyranid zoo. Also by teleporting the world, they created a warp rift that vomited daemons all over the craftworld trying to save the world.
Another example is that one time when craftworlders invited a Dark Eldar succubus on board their craftworld. She broke off one of the craftworld crystals and murdered the farseers of the craftworld before escaping.
The Tau have little knowledge of the Dark Eldar. What's the excuse of the Eldar.
>>335185780
>tau
>good guys
They are the most insidiously evil faction out there.
>>335185565
And to add to this
Most of the Imperium doesn't distinguish between craftworld eldar and dark eldar
So when dark eldar do dark eldar things, it's usually the craftworld eldar who gets blamed, unless there are space marines/inquisitors around to who can tell between the two
>>335185892
Hence the second line.
How are furries and gay sex seen in Imperium?
>>335185498
>The Imperium has more important things to do than order Executus on a handful of planets in the same sector
The Imperium had free time to order the Second Damocles Crusade which was meant to wipe the Tau once and for all. The Tau EASILY (with a few setbacks) run them backing. Though, the Imperials left a parting gift.
>They're not here, period
Except see (>>335182667). And other sources.
Please stop throwing OPINIONS and MUH feels around. The Tau are one of the major forces that could be the downfall of the Sautekh dynasty aka the most powerful Necron dynasty in the setting.
>>335185780
>They're the only honest good guys
is there any point to escort ships?
they all seem so useless
>>335186176
There's a furry space marine chapter. Gay sex is never mentioned in the fluff for obvious reasons. I'd say the Imperium has other matters to worry about. Furry shit is probably heresy though.
>>335186219
I typically hide a few firestorm vessels in a gas cloud, lead my battle, wait for the enemy ships to be weakened and bring 2/3 brand new firestorm against crippled ships.
>>335186197
Why is the 40k fanbase just as trigger happy & kneejerky as the morons in-universe
>>335186176
They all get quarantined on Fenris.
>>335184864
He is not a clone of Horus. The lore outright states that he came out of a vagina and that he killed his biological father by accident.
>>335184780
I don't think so. He might be after he got the Mark of the Chaos Ascendant.
However, he is surely a better commander. Before the 1st Black Crusade, Abaddon made all the daemon primarchs kneel before him. Magnus, Mortorian, and Angron refused and fought against Abaddon. Abaddon and his armies defeated their forces and then broke each one of them before forcing them to kneel before Abaddon.
>>335185780
Okay while I agree the Tau is one of the major forces running on the setting. I don't think that they are genuinely good guys if any of the fluff including the old ones are mentioned and given the setting of 40k when the point is everyone is a dick in their own way.
>>335186557
Because you're obviously wrong. Taus are good guys according to Taus. But they sell more figurines so now than nearly any other faction so GW is pandering to whoever buys more. Expect broken fluff/crunch that will retcon everything and turn the Taus whatever their equivalent of Wardian smurfs are.
>>335185565
>tfw there is no game where you can slaughter filthy, savage lesser species with wanton abandon, with your aspect warrior kin.
I want to spill the blood of the Mon'keigh.
>>335186625
Empire Tau that are run by the ethereals, are certainly and without a doubt, not good guys.
The Farsight Enclave Tau, however, are absolutely good guys who believe in equality and democracy.
>>335186583
Wasn't he injected the geneseed of Horus?
>>335186704
How can I be wrong about how I want the Tau to be written. Are you saying it isn't more interesting for them to be the one rational voice in a universe of the deaf? Thats what would make them so tragic and vastly more valuable than just another empire of idiots managed by a shadowy cabal of pricks.
>>335186625
Sure but being above "it looks different, shoot it!" practically makes the fuckers Superman in this universe.
>>335186815
All the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus were. Because of that they look sorta like Horus.
Aximand was the most similar to Horus, more so than Abaddon, to the point everybody called him Little Horus.
>>335187005
>Are you saying it isn't more interesting for them to be the one rational voice in a universe of the deaf?
No it's not. You're trying desperately to make an unique perfect special snowflake faction of reasonable people. If a faction isn't flawed in an unique way, then why the fuck does it exist? Eldars are doomed to disappear, the Imperium forgot his history and is doomed to wither, Chaos never achieves anything, necron tombs never fully awake, nids hive fleet are never going to arrive, orkz are never going to achieve their Waaagh.
And the taus, are just PERFECTLY REASONABLE AND NICE GOOD GUYS THAT HAVE GOOD TECH, ARE WARP IMMUNE AND ARE WILLING TO COOPERATE . See the problem? There are plenty of settings where they could work but not 40k. That's just missing the entire point.
>>335185565
>I hear Guyan Sethe yet lives on in essence, still tortured and in eternal agony. Most remarkable, considering some 1,500 human years have passed since we destroyed Assyri...
Jesus fuck m8.
>>335187242
but dey be risin and they be going to inhereit dat galaxy 'n shiet
>>335187242
>Chaos never achieves anything,
Chaos is rising and have ripped the Imperium apart over the course of the Long War. In fact, each of Abaddon's Black Crusade were victories, believe it or not.
>necron tombs never fully awake,
Necrons are awakening
Fuck I ain't going over each one. The point is that you are dumb. Don't throw the fact that the setting is in status atm as a "flaw" faction it isn't. Before the setting freeze date, you have 10K years of the factions doing stuff and revealing their flaws.
>>335187646
is in stasis*
a faction "flaw"*
>>335187646
Then Chaos will never achieve their final crusade, same fucking thing. Necrons ARE awakening, much like Nids hive fleets ARE arriving, Orks ARE uniting in their waaaghs. They are DOING it right now but they haven't succeeded yet. And never will because the plot doesn't move forward, else all factions but one would become obsolete.
Taus are nice good guys that are perfect flowers and will win in the long run. Give me a fucking break.
>>335187646
>each of Abaddon's Black Crusade were victories
This is incorrect. From memory only eight of the thirteen have been successful.
Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks
Describe this faction to your friends like they ain't never heard of 40K
>Imperium
>Eldar
>Orks
>Chaos
>Necrons
>Dark Eldar
>Tyranids
>Tau
>>335187943
>Religious Nazis
>Space Elves
>The British
>Grimdark McEdgelords
>Egyptian Terminators
>Faggot McEdgelords
>Beunos Aires
>Literally Who
>>335187803
>Then Chaos will never achieve their final crusade, same fucking thing. Necrons ARE awakening, much like Nids hive fleets ARE arriving, Orks ARE uniting in their waaaghs. They are DOING it right now but they haven't succeeded yet. And never will because the plot doesn't move forward, else all factions but one would become obsolete.
That's not flaw of their factions. That's the flaw of the setting itself, you mook.
>Taus are nice good guys that are perfect flowers and will win in the long run. Give me a fucking break.
The fluff does not say this at all. The fluff bends its back and goes to lengths to show you that the Tau are not as good as they seem. Also show plenty of their flaws (Manpower issues, slow FTL, lack of psykers, lack of knowledge).
And the Tau win condition is IF they survive long enough, they will blaze through the galaxy. It is not a certainty.
Learn2fluff.
Tractor beam or improved ramma for my favor?
>>335188150
>the Tau are not as good as they seem
Strange how it only did that after they were released and everyone complained, isn't it
>>335187943
>>Imperium
The intergalactic empire of mankind, defended by turbo soviet soldiers and space paladin-nazis. The Inquisition is a thing and they're incredibly powerful. Also man-machine tech-priests who have (almost) no idea what they're doing.
>>Eldar
Space-elves who try to summon a new god through their internet hivemind to get rid of the god they summoned in their gigantic sex orgy. They see the future and you won't like it.
>>Orks
Greenskinned aliens who understand nothing but war. British accents and neverending strife.
>>Chaos
Everyone is a black metal band fan.
>>Necrons
Cool robot undead that are nigh indestructible and will win.
>>Dark Eldar
Metal eldars
>>Tyranids
Zergs^20.
>>Tau
who gives a shit
>>335187943
>Imperium
Humans who will do whatever they can for an immortal Emporer
>Eldar
Gay space elves
>Orks
Fungus creatures that only know war and spread across the galaxy like the plague
>Chaos
Evil Imperium
>Necrons
Egyptian Skeleton Robots
>Dark Eldar
Edgy gay space elves
>Tyranids
Hivemind swarm
>Tau
Autistic shits who are retarded and can't do anything
>>335187943
>Stinkin Umies
>Pretty lookin Umies
>Da biggest and da baddest
>Scary lookin stinkin Umies
>Metal Umies
>Scary lookin pretty lookin Umies
>Lots of bugs
>Da smallest and da weakest
>>335176109
This is super annoying. At the start I didn't have any counter for that. Best I could do is send probes into the cloud and shoot them from long range in the brief window they become visible. It takes forever but you can slowly whittle them down.
Sometimes I hate playing as chaos. I win almost all my fights but sometimes the kiting takes fucking forever.
>>335186219
Can't go wrong with a few more torpedos.
>>335188150
>Taus are the best faction because they're nice
>no they're neither of those
>yes they are
>no they aren't
>your interpretation of taus is super fucking boring
>no it's not
>why?
>the Tau are not as good as they seem
>>335187943
>Catholic Space Nazi's
>Dickass space elves
>Magical football hooligans
>Satanist space edgelords, now with 300% more spikes and 200% less sex
>Egyptian terminators and Pokemon masters
>BDSM enthusiast space elves with 300% more spikes and 1000% more sex
>Zerg but more
>Irrelevant Communist space weebs
>>335187925
>Each Black Crusade has been part of Abaddon’s carefully laid plan; each furthering his goals in some significant way. The culmination of Abaddon’s grand scheme is nothing less than the death of the Emperor and Humanity’s enslavement at the hands of the entities of the Warp. Across ten millennia of strife, Abaddon has crafted his dark strategies; each attack, each world destroyed and each army vanquished is but a part of a much larger war. Always at his side is the Black Legion, on burning worlds and in shattered cities, their howling chainswords and barking bolter fire heralding the coming End Times.
>Thus is the shadow of Humanity’s downfall cast by Horus’ lost sons. It is the gravest threat the Imperium faces and the very tolling of doom that echoes out from the Eye of Terror. Where the black-armoured warriors of the Legion tread, cities burn and Imperial worlds fall. Star systems are purged and vanish from the void, their citizens slaughtered and their histories wiped away. To swear eternal loyalty to Abaddon and become a traitor Space Marine in the Black Legion is to become a warrior of the End Times and stand triumphant over countless worlds turned to ash and blood.
Also (picture related) Sources the Black Legion supp and the 7th ED rulebook.
Don't you dare naysay me again, anon!
I cannot wait to get it Monday, can't wait to engage Imperial dorks as Chaos.
It's honestly hilarious how radically 4chan hates Tau because they exploded in popularity.Skitarii a best
>>335185180
>>335185048
>>335179114
At least the pulsar range increase upgrade actually works now. They die way too fast now so your best bet is attacking from further away so enemy can't counterattack.
I'm running camo for almost permanent silent running and augur distruptors on everything. I don't even have the stealth favors yet but I'm just wrecking the opponents with 9k range pulsars while they can't even see me at all, not even the long range blips on the map.
>>335188239
For like one edition. The spend the next decade grimdarking them to the point of absurdity. The Ethereals are cartoon villains.
When they the Imperialfag stop complaining? Until the Tau start eating human babies and stealing Ork dakka?
>>335188709
Fun fact: the 40K subreddit's favorite faction is Tau.
>evade ork ship ramming attempt
>it actually rams into another ork ship behind my cruiser and damages it
Okay, that was funny. And I didn't know ships from same side can damage each other.
>>335188709
>4chan hates them because they exploded in popularity
People hate them because their following is obnoxious, the actual race is cool and has top tier design. I'd love to see them get into BFG but I want other DLC's to come out first to get some tau shitters crying.
>>335188843
Every 40k communitie's favorite faction is Tau, because they're the most popular faction.
And anything popular is FUCKING SHIT because I need to identify myself by how much I FUCKING HATE people with SHIT TASTE THAT AREN'T MINE
FUCKING NORMIEESSS RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>335188806
When Tau are removed and replaced by a credible galactic threat
>>335188843
From the website that think Fallout 3's BoS is the best chapter and Skyrim is one of the better RPGs released in recent years
>>335189001
What a stupid generalization.
This site is also home to an entire brony sub-community. Does that mean you watch MLP and think it's actually for adults because you share a site with people that do?
So what will Chaos do to the traitor marines when it wins?
>>335189001
Nothing wrong with that though?
>>335189137
>He's defending being a redditor
>>335189137
>Does it mean that all redditors are faggots?
Yes. Yes it does.
>>335189323
He's a tau fan after all.
Iz der orkz innis? 'aven't 'ad a lick da to do wif 40k onna kounta der bein' no orkz in nuffin for a whilez!
why are orks so fucking slow.
All those thrusters for nothing.
>>335189137
MLP is a containment board.
>>335188981
>implying you wouldn't complain no matter what
>>335189261
The same as the rest. They will melt in pure chaos and they will be playthings for daemons. Few of the lucky ones will ascend to daemonhood before that or will be sent to invade other realities.
Basically, the same thing that happened in WHFB.
>>335167203
see
>>335189542
>>335189549
Because they do shit loads of damage, if they were faster they would just be the imperial navy but way stronger.
Are black people accepted as spess muhreens?
>>335189825
Yes.
>>335189825
Salamanders are exclusively black men. They also happen to be the most based chapter there is.
>>335189825
Not in my chapter.
>>335189579
I was there when Necrons got upgraded from a bunch of obscure nobodies to the root of all evil in the galaxy, from the Orks and Eldar to the Chaos Gods themselves
And I still preferred them over the Tau
>>335156123
>setup shield bombs
but eldar don't have shields?
>>335189939
Wrong. Their skin is ashen black but they still have caucasian features.
>>335189939
>Salamanders are exclusively black men
Black like charcoal
Because of a genetic flaw
>>335190053
>>335190054
This isn't black for you? Are you from Argentina?
>>335189323
>he's seen through my incredibly stupid generalization of a shitty site with millions of more users than 4chan, he must use it!
>>335189516
nah, I prefer Necrons.
>>335190054
>>335190156
>>335190053
We wuz space marines and shiet
>>335157503
the space commies are nowhere near sector Gothic...fuck there are nowhere near segmentum Obscurus, how on earth could they get in?
Why are Orks so fucking garbage. It blows my mind that anyone could consider this faction balanced.
>JUST GET CLOSE AND RAM THEM
With the slowest ships in the game by far?
>USE TRAKTOR BEAM!
wow, now they're only slightly less far away and have to full speed ahead for one second to get back where they were
>USE TAUNT!
Wow, now they're stuck really far away bombarding me where I can't hit them for a few secondes!
>>335190486
>how on earth could they get in?
>not powering your inexistant warp drives with the sheer willpower if your rabid fanbase
>>335190503
>what are micro warp jumps
>what are stasis bombs
>what is area of denial with torpedo spreads and bombs
>what is being a kunning grot and making the enemy come to you
>>335190503
what is running silent
what are gas clouds
what are microwarp jumps
what is that skill that gives you twice the gauge fuel
what's a time bomb
>>335190486
The end scene of the game had Admiral spire placing his hand on Segmentum Ultima and then ordering his fleets forward.
Could be a hint that he next expansion will feature the Tau.
>>335191190
nooooooooooo
fuck the tauuuuu
>it's a defender as Ork on breakthrough episode
I really want to like this game. I do. But shit like this is so mind blowingly retarded I don't understand how anyone could implement this shit and think it's a good idea.
>>335191530
Just kill their line ships. It's fucking easy as orks and one of the victory conditions for the attacker is that they survive.
>>335191692
Are you a retard?
They don't need to fight you. They don't even need to get anywhere close to you. All they do is one shot your fucking joke of a defense platforms and then walk away with their incredibly faster ships.
>>335175980
>The American Left Wing is no different from the left wing in any other country.
Not that anon but as someone that grew up in a communist country I can tell you that American left is more capitalist than a lot of other countries rights.
Not saying you are entirely wrong, but the difference is palpable.
There are two reasons for this. Firstly the anti communist mentality in America is still somewhat strong and second the country is still the most powerful. People can't really complain here, so populism isn't an issue... YetI moved to the states a couple of years ago.
>>335191836
see
>>335190698
>>335190896
Stop blaming the game because you are shit.
>>335191943
>so populism isn't an issue
Who's that fella Trump again?
>>335191990
So I should use my incredibly short range microjump to close long distances?
So I should use my incredibly pointless tractor beam and taunt to close long distances?
Also what does any of that have to do with breakthrough? How are Orks supposed to defend and maneuver around an entire map against someone like Chaos or Eldar?
>>335192028
>summoning /pol/
you done it now
>>335192028
I suppose you got me there. But in that mentality shouldn't Bernie be the most popular candidate?
Trump has appealing for different reasons. If he were offering free stuff for everybody I would say that you are right.
America is ok with or without Trump. As long as the commies never win.
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