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Paid mods are coming back
>>335144132
It's a shame that your dad is never coming back instead
>>335144223
s-shut up idiot
>>335144223
Why? Both him and paid mods belong in hell.
>>335144223
savage
Did you actually think Valve wouldn't try it again? They'll keep testing the waters until the general gaming populace is so full of millennial twats that it will be accepted in the same way that most people have accepted DLC for some stupid fucking reason.
>>335144409
I agree. But I think this scheme would work out better for them if they had an open discussion about this with their customerbase, instead of just throwing shit on the wall and hoping it sticks
>>335144527
>Valve
>open discussion with their customer base
>>335144573
Yes, that's exactly my point. Because they think this way, shit like this blows up in their faces.
>>335144573
This, valve literally has no PR department.
Why the fuck would anything think that they care about the community?
>>335144409
>DLC is bad
*tips*
>>335144409
Fucking millennials man. They're going to be worse than the fucking boomers. People in another thread are pretending that game demos are bad and that it's perfectly alright to preorder games solely on marketing material.
>>335144704
Most DLC is bad. The only decent DLC I can think of that has come out in recent times is more akin to expansion packs, like Blood and Stone.
>>335144409
>>335144781
You realize if you are born after 1980 then you are a millennial? I doubt you 2 fags are 36
>>335144840
>dlc
>expansion packs
>>335144882
don't bother, i think millenials calling other people millenials is one of these epic memes
>>335144781
>millennials calling others millennials
Jesus fucking christ just stop.
I don't have a problem as long as they need to be approved by someone. I'd love to see super high quality mods that would come from this but I don't want every mod to start charging
>>335144882
I am 35. From what I understand a millenial is anyone who wasn't old enough to vote in 2000.
JUST ADD A FUCKING DONATE BUTTON AND STOP TRYING TO SCRAPE SHIT OFF THE TOP.
I've had quite enough of Valve and I've been a Steam member for 11 years.
>>335144132
Why is everybody always so butt-hurt over this?
People don't complain about paying for cosmetics in DOTA/TF2/CSGO. How is this any different?
>muh free stuff I never put any contribution towards is suddenly not free anymore.
BOO FUCKING HOO
>>335144928
If you download an expansion pack online, it is Downloadable Content or DLC. Hearts of Stone was downloadable online.
>>335144882
>Millennial defense card
Everyone knows what is meant and literal doesn't mean literal anymore. Quit being a faggot and accept that your generation are garbage people.
>>335145610
t. Gabe Newell
>>335145610
I thought 2010 ended
>>335145686
You are a part of the generation kid, just cause you're 22 doesn't make you special
>>335145686
>gets BTFO
>tries to change the definition of the word to save face
>u kno wat i meant
Jesus fucking christ b2 Reddit you mouth-breathing retard.
>>335144132
Paid mods are coming back and there is literally NOTHING you can do to stop it. Feels fucking good can't wait for solid content that I don't have to pay for if I don't like it because no one is forcing me to do shit
inb4 retard logic
>>335145976
>implying I'm 22 and part of your faggotry
>>335146046
>implying I'm that poster
>this thread again
>>335145689
>>335145823
Nice quality rebuttals, so well thought out I can't make a counter argument
>>335144132
I really fucking hate Valve these days ...
>>335145610
The split between jsut Valve and the modellers/skinners isn't that bad, but when you start involving other parties who also want a cut, the modder gets jewed.
>>335145689
>>335145823
>>335145843
>Defending rewarding craftsmanship with money suddenly makes you a jew
>>335146149
>i-it wasn't me
Jesus christ can you get any more pathetic?
>>335144840
I usually buy the DLC if the game came out a while ago and the game is on sale with all the DLC for a muuuch cheaper price than buying them separately. At that point it actually becomes a reasonable purchase for your money.
>people complaining about a feature they don't even use to begin with
>>335146287
That's how intellectual property works anon.
Take it or leave it
>>335145610
Splits the modding community, stifles creativity, actively destroys the idea of working together because all modders are crazy and hate each other once you get money involved
Just pirate it.
The Pirate Bay's gonna fill up with paid DLC bullshit that will be impossible to check besides in Valve games.
>>335145686
what are you trying to say?
>>335146145
>>335145610
What's incentivizing / worthwhile about making a new marketplace where Valve / the game's developer gets 75% of proceeds for something they've nothing to do in creating and restrict access to something that was previously free and open to users while giving them nothing in return in the process?
>>335144132
Why do people care?
>>335146441
I'd rather leave it thanks. I'm all for rewarding hard work on mods, I even own that Aperture Paint Tag mod, but it shouldn't be a paywall. It should be optional.
>>335146503
>you will live to see the day when people talk about having to pirate mods
> people don't deserve to get paid for their work
When will this meme end? Why is the PC community so entitled?
>>335146567
PCfats are poor so making something cost money angers them
I hope that for everyones sake, the people defending paid mods, and shitty micro DLC are just baiting and funposting
because if they aren't, god help us all.
>>335144132
the microtransaction hell in every game right now is fucking retarded. if i pay 10 to own a game I SHOULD OWN 100% OF IT NOT JUST THE BASIC CLIENT WITH NO MUSIC SKINS MAPS ETC
you can´t just keep selling 50% complete products and list everything else as DLC´s, fuck that.
>>335146729
Because you're talking to a bunch of teenagers that don't understand how the real world works.
>>335146762
Valve went unchallenged for too long here. You're witnessing the company go to shit and their drones coming out in spades to defend every greedy action they take.
>>335146814
I guess that makes sense.
>>335146780
>im a entitled fuck
Yeah man I bought the game and am also entitled to future sequels!
>>335146890
And this is why this shit keeps happening.
You pre-order too, don't you?
>>335146561
>use their game
>use their platform
>why should they get any money when I'm doing less than half the work but I expect to get 100% of the profits
They should make their own game if a modder expects to recieve 100% of the profit. They are literally using others work. Retard logic.
>>335144132
If Valve really thought paid mods were modder and consumer friendly, they wouldn't take a large cut of the sales for themselves.
Then again, Valve was always about taking other people's work and claiming it as their own.
>>335146863
He was talking about himself
>>335144132
Well if it's here to stay time to put my wasted youth to use and make some awful shit to sell to retards.
>>335147116
jaded 17 year old detected
>>335147005
> large cut
Since when is 15% large?
>>335146962
Fuck off poorfag
>>335147192
How long did it take to detect yourself?
>>335147295
It was 30%, plus Bethesda's 40%
Honestly, I don't give a fuck.
When they tried it with Skyrim I pirated all that Workshop shit
And I will pirate paid mods in the future, if it ever becomes a thing
Along with all the games I've been pirating for years
And there is literally nothing anyone can do to stop me.
>>335146890
if i knew where you live i´d walk there right now and smash your face in. you got no right to talk to me like that we are not friends and we are not equals.
>>335147387
Considering that was ten years ago, ten years ago.
>>335146963
Do you think Skyrim would continue to sell as much as it does without the open mod support that it has?
Developers of games with large modding communities get something very tangible from encouraging a vibrant, open modding community, and they clearly think it's worthwhile through the emphasis on making their game moddable / providing the tools. They make all of their money back and then some in the increased longevity of their games - and now they want a 75% cut on top of the things that they're already laughing to the bank with for little / no effort on their part? Without giving anything on their end?
>>335147495
this guy knows whatsup
I can smell the fedora from here, though
>>335146963
They already got their money with the purchase and DLC purchases.
>>335147495
>guiz why do developers hate pc gaming, I don't understand ;.;
looks like free mods can be checked off the pcuck meme list
>>335146747
Well, the thing is, I'm a PCfat. I just don't really see the downside to at least letting the model be given a year or two of testing.
Mods aren't required to be given a price tag. People will make better free ones just to spite the modders charging a premium. But also, it gives studio devs a chance to work in their free time on projects from other games. There's a chance for some incredible content here that we'll never get to know about. A quality studio could work on another studio's game legitimately. It would also bring a lot of new talent to the modding scene.
Feels like a missed opportunity in my opinion because some salty faggots can't be bothered to pay a couple bucks for someone's hard work, or even just pirate it instead.
Paid mods happen. Who gets mad?
Doom modding community
Most of the Elder Scrolls Modding Community
Deus Ex modders
DoW modders already left because that game got fucking wrecked
GTA modders
Duke modders are busy getting fucked by gearbox
Who is going to support it because they think people should turn being almost literally useless into lifetime careers instead of hobbies performed for the good of the community?
Normalfags
Most of steam
You casual motherfuckers
The deal is, by putting pricetags on mods, you're putting a number of walls between the community and the product, and even between modders who don't agree on simple things. You also know this is going to drop the general quality of mods a shit-tonne because normies are dumb moneywasting niggers who would literally be conned into thinking paying 100 bucks for a pair of nuts for their skyrim horse is somehow automatically better than the free mod that adds a bunch of animals with working junk because they paid money for it. "That other guy isn't being paid to make good stuff."
No, he's making it because he wants to make cool shit, and you're directly in the way of that now because you're a retard who believes your Mastercard will save you from the woe of being a fucking useless twat yourself.
>>335147690
>muh developers
>>335147773
Why would someone make something for free if they could get paid?
>>335144409
>Millenial = born after 1980
Calling them losers when you're 35+ on a website for children.
>>335147775
>Doom modding community
why would they, it's not like anyone is going to buy/sell Doom mods, especially since all the modders use each other's resources
well, it would be funny if Sgt. Mark would sell BD, as it's the only mod casuals care about
I'd really like to see it happen but I don't think even he is that much of an asshole
>>335148028
He tried that and got shit on
>>335147852
Because they aren't doing it for money. They're doing it because they enjoy it. They just want to participate in the community.
The sheer number of free games you could be playing right now shows this.
In the modding scene people would do the same mod better for a lower price (or free) because that's how capitalism works.
>>335146890
That's not what he wrote.
Are you retarded?
>>335148078
>He tried that
Did he? The absolute madman. Tell me more, please, or point out the source.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=572310302
You guys are fucking retarded
>>335147801
Yeah who needs developers for games
Modders:
I've develope this mod to add new grass to the game called "Grass v4"
>without paid mod
-Textures for Grass v4
-New Lighting for Grass v4
-Miracle Grass v4 v8
>with paid mods
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>>335148194
Paid mods aren't out yet, dumb smugposter.
>>335148194
You might be slightly retarded.
>>335148194
>implying people care whether the OP is bait or not
>implying people won't argue about anything here even if it's fake
>>335148123
>i don't know what implications are
>i don't understand meme arrows
Off to reddit now
>>335148357
>I don't understand what's going on so I'll just tell him to go to reddit
Lmao kid
>>335148028
>it's not like anyone is going to buy/sell Doom mods, especially since all the modders use each other's resources
You do realize that all modding communities use each other's resources right?
Did you forget about the fishing mod for Skyrim that blew up when paid mods became a thing?
Everyone rips each other off and tries to improve on it or put their own spin on it.
You get in the way of that and nobody will work together or help anyone out anymore because someone else being successful will get in the way of profit.
This also was happening with paid mods in Skyrim.
Paid mods will absolutely destroy the modding communityand people still wouldn't support most modders even if you put a pricetag on it
>>335146729
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overjustification_effect
If you want to make money in video games then make your own game, but modding should stay as free community projects motivated by passion and not financial gain.
But you'll see the quality difference first hand when paid modding and free modding become separate communities, with free modders building off of eachother's work and making great stuff while paid modders keep churning out half assed weapon skins and horse genitalia, like we saw the last time mods were paid.
>>335144704
>implying mods are good DLC
>implying they need to fix thier mod if game updates and busts thier mod
>implaying they need to make it work with other mods
having used mods to oblivian and skyrim i can say its a fucking shitfest to make them work together. hours of testing and reinstalling, copy and pasting
now add a price tag on that shitfest
id rather play garry's incident then pay for broken/non optimised mods
>>335148452
That's not what he wrote.
Are you retarded?
>>335148569
That's what he wrote.
Are you retarded?
>>335148672
That's what he wrote.
Are you retarded?
>>335148452
fuck off to reddit kid
>>335148707
That's not what he wrote.
Are you retarded?
>>335148746
>I don't understand what's going on so I'll just tell him to go to reddit
Lmao kid
>>335148760
That's what he wrote.
Are you retarded?
>>335146308
Yeah good one.
https://youtu.be/NszI8b9bevM
>>335148760
That's what he wrote.
Are you retarded?
>>335148543
>Implying paid modders and free modders will become separate communities
The free modders won't exist anymore.
Not because they would all become people who would cash in, but because paid modders will steal anything and everything and use their work even if told not to just to make a quick buck.
Free modders were already worried about this when paid mods blew up and people were uploading shit that is normally free with a pricetag and Valve didn't prevent any of that shit.
>>335144132
How do you even pay for a subscription on steam? I don't get any error when trying to subscribe to this mod at
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=572310302
I call inspect element shenanigans.
>>335148672
>>335148707
>>335148760
>>335148850
holy shit kid you are triggered as fuck.
I recomment >>>/tumbler/
>>335148475
I just plain don't believe that a concept of paid modding will influence the Doom wad community negatively. It's not mainstream, it's pretty small, I've observed these people in the /vr/ thread and I don't think anything really bad would happen.
It would probably shit on Bethesda game modding, though.
>>335148923
>>335148672
>>335148707
>>335148760
>>335148850
holy shit kid you are triggered as fuck.
I recomment >>>/tumbler/
>>335147551
To be honest, at this point, probably because their primary audience are now normies who never understood that Elder Scrolls was only worthwhile for mods and tricked themselves into thinking that its a legitimately good series.
>>335148923
That's not what he wrote.
Are you retarded?
>>335148889
>Not because they would all become people who would cash in, but because paid modders will steal anything and everything and use their work even if told not to just to make a quick buck.
So free modders hate money?
>>335148909
Never mind, scratch that, I'm a derp.
>>335148965
>ENBs and horse pussy mods make ES good
>>335144928
Spotted the post-millennial
>>335144409
millennials are anyone born between 1980-94
>>335148965
>>335149062
cory and trevor fuck off
and put your fucking hands down
>Paid mods come out
>SKSE refuses to charge money for its use
>Every mod uses SKSE
It would have come tumbling down the second the makers of SKSE pointed out that people were illegally charging for something that wasn't theirs.
>>335149080
I never said it made it good. I said it made it worthwhile.
Elder Scrolls is a bad series and it was always a bad series. Morrowind fags can fuck right off too.
>>335149301
>someone releases their own version of SKSE
>10% and you can use it your mod if it's paid, no charge if it's a free mod
>SKSE dies
Wow, that was so hard.
>>335148965
>>335149062
smokes, lets go
WHY NOT A SUSCRIPTION SYSTEM?
>>335147551
>>335147671
>little / no effort on their part? Without giving anything on their end?
That is just wrong
A modder is using a game and its resources to create shit for it and also using steams platform. For the company to ask for a cut is not a problem considering this. That is just a fact.
Also why are people assuming paid mods means free mods will no longer exist everything you just said goes out the window because it assume there won't be an open modding community. Like as if it will just vanish over night. They aren't taking anything away only adding on a new part which nobody is force to participate in.
>>335148936
If we're talking classic Doom then it probably won't be touched just because it's so old.
Doom 4 probably won't be dead in the water but if they monetize any of that then I'd expect some shit for awhile.Gearbox is trying to fuck over Eduke32 right now and those guys are absolutely pissed
>>335149062
Right now a large majority of modders who make things are doing it to either just make things or to just be creative.
If you toss money into the works and don't set up a proper structure to it to prevent abusive behavior and straight up hostile shit(Like stealing) then they aren't going to create things since it will just be stolen.
And people who steal things for paid mods will not have to share their money with other people.
The main thing you have to understand is that the modding community is very intertwined with one another.
A most basic example for TES games is the script extenders.
Most mods use this to function.
If the guys behind it decided they didn't want to support paid mods(They do though) then there is still nothing stopping other modders from using their work as a baseline to make profit and nobody will enforce it.
The modding community simply does not work in a way where you can make paid mods and not fuck up the entire community.
>>335145347
Then you understand wrong
>>335149410
Releases their own version based on...
>>335149490
>If we're talking classic Doom then it probably won't be touched just because it's so old.
That's exactly what I was talking about. Doom 3 doesn't really have a sizeable modding community (though there's Dark Mod) and I don't think D44m will.
>>335149579
are you retarded?
>>335149551
no, thats actually pretty right. anyone who was a child a the turn of the millenium is a millenial
1983-1997 would my interpretation of the hard dates
my sister was born in 98 and she has more in common with 02 kids than 94 kids
>>335149474
Skyrim's modding community was in an absolute uproar because people were stealing their work and putting it into paid mods without their consent or support.
Read about Chesko's fishing mod and the drama behind it.
>When questioned on said usage, a Valve representative stated that upon speaking with a company lawyer “having mod A depend on mod B is fine [as] it doesn’t matter if mod A is for sale and mod B is free, or if mod A is free or mod B is for sale.”
>>335149410
then you make one if its so easy
>>335149474
t. someone not present for original happening
Half the "free modders" on nexus pulled their shit down to put it up on steam, including SkyUI if I recall correctly.
>>335149850
As soon as paid mods get introduced back, i sure as hell would.
Anyone who was paying attention during the Skyrim paid mods fiasco could see exactly why paid mods can't work in the form Valve wants to push. The marketplace became flooded with countless low-effort mods with a pricetag, free works were "stolen" and sold for profit, and the community basically tore itself apart at the seams. Midas Magic, an incredibly popular mod was sold on the marketplace by only ONE of its creators. Only that individual got payed, not the many others who collaborated on the work to make the mod what it is. On top of that, the mod had built-in DRM that would pester you to buy the full version.
Anyone who defends this shit is willfully ignoring the lump on their testicle, or even worse pretending their balls are just getting bigger.
>>335149738
Nope
>>335149834
dont think that would hold up in court
as the FREE version in made for the consumer
NOT for someone to take and profit from
and i belive that the moders that stole it would have to pay the whole sum and Valve would get away as they are just hosting the moders pruducts
>>335146646
We've already seen that day. There's actually a subreddit called r/modpiracy that was created back during the Skyrim paid mods disaster.
>>335149301
>SKSE refuses to charge money for its use
This has absolutely no impact on anything and
Valve themselves says it doesn't matter what you upload if it relies on something free from a legal standpoint.
They only care if it's illegal.
The makers of SKSE not wanting their work to be used for paid mods will not make it illegal nor would it be enforced anyways.
>When questioned on said usage, a Valve representative stated that upon speaking with a company lawyer “having mod A depend on mod B is fine [as] it doesn’t matter if mod A is for sale and mod B is free, or if mod A is free or mod B is for sale.”
>>335144132
It would be ok if the amount of money modders get is actually justified. Also if there was an effective way to prevent people from stealing mods, which there is not.
As for money, I have no idea how it works now. But Valve shouldn't be entitled to more than 10-20% of the cut and the company that produced the modded game doesn't deserve shit. Does BMW get paid every time someone mods his BMW?
Stealing mods is the biggest problem however, and it will be used by Valve to force people to monetize their mods. Otherwise if you make a good mod, you'll be be taking the tisk that someone steals it and profits on it.
>>335146181
Maybe if you made good arguments we'd start making good counter ones
>>335149834
Okay so then all we have to do is remove this problem right?
>stealing their work and putting it into paid mods without their consent or support
It sounds like the idea of paid mods aren't wrong. It's just that valve implemented it incorrectly. It needs to be fixed and worked on not dismissed. There is so much to gain here and people would rather just throw it all away.
As if everyone on /v/ got molested by paid mods as a kid or something
>>335146814
That's funny, because free mods were how the real world worked for the fucking entirety of PC gaming history up to now. I think it might be you who doesn't understand.
>>335149834
This is 900% of the problem. None of this shit is curated or moderated. Mod makers get ripped off left and right, and have little to no recourse.
It's almost like Steam Workshop is the only place where you can get mods from, if it never existed then mods on PC wouldn't be a thing, right?
>>335150348
Thanks for proving my point, kid.
>>335149903
So then this isn't about the quality of mods but instead people wanting things for free basically?
Why should the creators of content not be allowed to do this? I don't like paying for shit that is bad but I'm not forced to. I think they should have this right.
>>335150331
So, what's your solution to that problem?
They tried to get paid mods in, and there was a HUGE backlash. How do you get around that? Just sneak it back in without telling a few months later xD
God valve is such cancerous shit. You PC fats allowed this.
>>335150221
>dont think that would hold up in courtYou do realize modders have no rights and for something like Skyrim Bethesda can take whatever they want as their own, right?I also hope you realize that Valve wouldn't even take anything down unless legally obligated to do so, and they already exercised this around the Art of the Catch drama
>>335150348
That's funny, because free work were how the real world worked for the fucking entirety of history up to 2000 years ago
>all those Cities items that make the game absolutely amazing
>all those Banished items that make the game so much more immersive and comfy
>they all have potential to become paid microtransactions
I hope that if you've already downloaded an item, you don't suddenly have to pay for it if they decide to charge for it.
>>335150563
>Vital labor needed to keep society functioning = Making a video game different
Okay
How companies can get away with bullshit
>Do something to rip-off a customer
>People rage and protest
>Stop doing that shit
>Start doing the same thing again later
>People's protesting has lost energy but there's still some protest
>Stop doing that shit
>Start doing the same thing again
>No-one actually has the energy to continue fighting this shit
>Companies get away with it for a while
>People eventually try bringing it up again
>"lol faggor, there is literally nothing wrong with this, it's a benefit to the consumer!"
How to get away with bullshit, plan 2: Elecrtic Micro-transactaloo
>Do something to rip-off a customer
>People rage
>"Lol what r u gonna do fag, we're not stopping"
>Rage dies down slowly over time
>"lol faggor, there is literally nothing wrong with this, it's a benefit to the consumer!"
>>335150331
Because the system is retarded by default. You can't implement a system where users get to upload mods and charge money for them, because that's fucking anarchy.
A PROPER paid mod system would require tons of effort on valve's part running quality assurance, making sure everything is properly credited, and that the author has permission to upload this from all of its collaborators or its creator. On top of this, they would have to make sure the mod works with other paid mods, and have to make sure an official update doesn't break it, and so on and so forth.
Basically, a paid mod system that could actually work and not tear the community apart at the seams is also throwing money down the toilet.
>>335150689
You do if you use the steam workshop, it revokes your subscription until your shekels clear. Otherwise there's nothing the modder can really do besides stop updating your version.
>>335150504
I don't know prob the same way anyone else handles this shit. There are copyright systems. Without thinking much I would say if a mod is available for free the creator can specify whether it can be redistributed for profit or not like many other things. Like stock photos, 3d models, literally anything. People create free content and specifically would let you know if you can make a profit on it or not whether it be royalty free or whatever. If someone tried to repackage mods into one giant mod made out of free mods for profit then no problem. If the creators of the mods that were free specifically said it cannot be redistributed and it was still posted up for money simply flag it and ban it. I didn't even put much thought behind it and solutions are a plenty.
>>335150689
>you don't suddenly have to pay for it if they decide to charge for it.
You will if Skyrim mods are anything to go off of
>>335147773
>I just don't really see the downside to at least letting the model be given a year or two of testing.
It's already been tested. It failed spectacularly after only a few days.
>Mods aren't required to be given a price tag. People will make better free ones just to spite the modders charging a premium.
And then people will steal that free content for their paid mods with no consequence.
>It would also bring a lot of new talent to the modding scene.
A lot of greedy, low-effort, quick-cash-grab new talent, yes.
>>335150331
The idea of paid mods is wrong in the current established community for all mods.
Everything is intertwined and people borrow/lift content from one another and expand on what each person makes.
It is all a convoluted mess if you look at it like this and with the current environment you can not start slapping pricetags onto things.
The entire reason the modding communities for anything can grow is because people can work together if they need to, or even people just stealing work to make their own mod since sometimes they still come up with something good.
If you remove the idea of everything being intertwined like that you will end up with a very closed and hostile community that will not work together at all and will actively try to shut each other down because people will get in the way of profits.
Valve and Bethesda tried to monetize something that can't be monetized without tearing the entire system down and basically fucking over everyone. That is why the backlash was as heavy as it was.
Not even Bethesda drones were having it.
>>335150535
>You PC fats allowed this.
Yeah, the same way xbox users allowed the kinect
Serious talk, are you actually retarded though? No-one is happy with this..
>>335150837
Bringing in copyrights to mods will end up fucking over pretty much everyone because mods use copyrighted content all the time.
>If the creators of the mods that were free specifically said it cannot be redistributed and it was still posted up for money simply flag it and ban it
Valve already said they will not remove any content whatsoever unless legally obligated to do so.
Instead they just make it so you can't buy it anymore.If you read the steam workshop rules you'd see that by uploading anything you give up all rights to what you made and Valve/Bethesda are free to take it for themselves if they wanted to
>>335150743
This isn't a new system. It's been done so many times except replace mods with anything else
Stock photos, 3d models, any kind of art asset, even fucking cosmetics for dota, etc.
It's not a broken system it's been done and a million times over throughout history. It's just that /v/ has been molested by other companies that legitimately have done wrong things and now blanket every instance of it as wrong, regardless of the system even existing or knowing how it would even work.
basically there is nothing to lose in letting this happen and waiting to see if its shit or not instead of out right dismissing it before it gets off the ground. Valve listen to people last time and removed it even though it cost them millions. This company has a decent track record and they won't even give it a chance. This isn't EA.
>brb downloading all the mods I can before they get paygated
>>335149651
I don't get why fucking Zenimax/Bethesda aren't interested in Doom 4 mods, instead releasing some silly map feature. Yeah, map editors are awesome but you'd think the studio that publishes fucking TES and Fallout would release the potential for modding in another IP.
>>335151073
>Two stops at the end instead of one
Well cunt, now my post looks whiny as fuck
Not like it matters with all the shitposting anyhow
>>335145610
>How is this any different?
The quality control
Or to be exact, the lack of quality control, having more in common with Early Access and Greenlight shit.
>>335149080
>Elder Scrolls games only have sex mods and computer-melting graphics mods
This fucking meme needs to die. Those mods make up a sizeable minority at most.
>>335151268
Maybe the engine isn't suitable? Does it still use megatextures? Those make modding nigh-impossible IIRC.
>>335151237
good luck downloading 35GB of horse vaginas and balloon tits
>>335150103
look up generation Z then
it's anyone born after 2000
>>335151229
>basically there is nothing to lose in letting this happen and waiting to see if its shit or not instead of out right dismissing it before it gets off the ground.
We already saw what would happen.
We also saw they didn't enforce jack shit.
People were abusing the system intentionally and there was no intervention whatsoever.
We saw paid mods that don't work on a basic level, we saw paid mods that were blatant cash ins and we saw paid mods that didn't even let you access what you bought unless you used the console to spawn it.
There was no quality control, no effort put into it whatsoever and they just slapped a pricetag on mods and hoped the whole thing would resolve itself.
And it did, the community as a whole rejected it and Valve is letting it cool off until they try it again, and it will probably meet the same backlash because you can't monetize mods in the current system and you especially can't fucking do it if you aren't going to put any effort into it.
>>335151498
why do you hate free market anon
are you a gommie
>>335151579
>Market controled by a single entity
>Free
>>335151579
Free Market did not wanted it.
>>335151647
no one stops you from making your own Steam analogue
>>335151579
>>335151647
>>335151654
>Have to make $100 on a single object before you even saw any sort of money
>All money is kept until then, at which point you get a very small fraction of it
>This threshold has to be met every single time with anything you upload
>>335151148
People are just assuming everyone will take free mods and have people sell them for profit without anything happening. It happened last time but you know what was done? They took down the whole system. They have too much to lose to allow for blatant stealing to happen. Whether people like it or not it's gonna happen. Paid mods will be a thing. Instead of being so callous towards it we should see how we can benefit and if it turns to shit once its already implemented things can be done to change it or take it down. But to simply dismiss it before its even up is just shit thinking.
I can see people making original content, total conversions, and mods that extend games like DLC.
Currently we have very few mods that actually do more then just add a weapon or two or a character animation or just wiafu shit. We have engines like unity where if someone knows how to create shit they are better off making a game with their content and making money instead of making that content and putting it in as a mod and that just it. Not many people are willing to do this compared to the number of people who are willing to create content in a larger scale knowing they will get something for their time and effort.
Again this isn't a new system. It's already up and working. Look and indie gaming and cosmetic systems for dota2. Running and working.
>>335150303
>Stealing mods is the biggest problem however, and it will be used by Valve to force people to monetize their mods. Otherwise if you make a good mod, you'll be be taking the tisk that someone steals it and profits on it.
Alternately there's enough contrarian assholes like me who make free versions of as much as possible to undermine the paid side of things. It's a dangerous thing to hope for, but if it worked out right it'd be fucking hilarious.
>>335151579
>Try to change how a service is offered
>Free market rejects it
>Why do you hate free market?
>>335151498
So then you believe they took down a system that cost the millions and they are bringing it back again in the same way that it was before? You think this makes sense for any side? Business wise?
>>335144132
to be honest, how much of a success will this even be? how many people paid $10 for SkyUI?
and really this just means no more bethesda games for me, ever. they already release games with the full knowledge that the community will fix, update, and create content for the barely working vanilla version. Now it costs me money to get these fixes and Bethesda gets a share of the money
complete and total horseshit. fuck them and fuck valve
>>335151835
>Mod piracy
What has the world come to?
>>335151816
Valve's platform, Valve's rules
>>335151918
>Free market rejects it
a bunch of wannabe "wah things must be free" commies did
it will come back though
>>335151352
No mod makes ES good
>>335152090
>why do you hate free market
>lol valve can stick a dildo in your ass because it's their platform
You are not making any sense at all. At this point you are just fishing for (You)
>>335145654
a decade ago when DLC began with horse armor the distinction was that an expansion pack was an expansion to a game, usually in every regard, where DLC is paid content for the current game
map packs, armor, weapon skins, player homes etc is DLC
quest lines, new enemies, new areas, including new gear and maybe even new gameplay is an expansion pack
>>335151819
The entire system was removed because the backlash was tremendous and from a very large majority.
>Paid mods will be a thing
Of course it will, making free money off content made by the community with no additional investment is simply too much to pass over, and eventually everyone will buckle because gamers don't have a backbone.
>I can see people making original content, total conversions, and mods that extend games like DLC.
>Currently we have very few mods that actually do more then just add a weapon or two or a character animation or just wiafu shit.
The way the money division worked for paid mods between modders and Bethesda/Valve made this the wrong thing to do, as the system encourages small things like microtransactions over large things like actual content. You also didn't see any money until you reached a certain point.
This kind of thing won't go away because paid mods will ultimately be about short and easy cash, not about making a big project to make money.
Paid modders will want lots of cash and a steady flow and the system encourages this.
They would have to:
>Make a whole system to make everyone happy
>Make a system that is enforceable
>Quality control
>Payment that feels fair to the community
>>335152090
>Valve's platform, Valve's rules
And it worked so well Valve pulled the plug for now.
>>335151931
>So then you believe they took down a system that cost the millions and they are bringing it back again in the same way that it was before?
Yes:
>but stepping into an established, years old modding community in Skyrim was probably not the right place to start iterating.
>>335152338
>The entire system was removed because the backlash was tremendous and from a very large majority.
This right here should be enough to give the system a chance. Why won't this happen again if shit went bad?
>>335152126
Well, that's subjective, but it's a fact that despite popular myth, sex mods and ENBs are the minority (not that I have a problem with them, just pointing out a misconception).
>>335152605
Can't tell you unless you pay me 2$.
>Half Life 3 is released
>Pay4mods
>Somebody ports models from other games
>Valve gets sues to bankruptcy for it
Can't wait
>>335152186
It makes perfect sense when you realize that "free market" is almost always code for "Everyone should bend over, take the corporate cock, and be thankful for the privilege of paying for it!"
>>335150270
The issue with stuff like the script extender is that unlike most mods that edit existing assets, it's closer to being a program in its own right that gets hooked into the game. If it got pushed in court, it'd be analogous to Microsoft trying to seize control of programs that extend Windows. They can get the authors shut down if they demonstrate that writing or using the extender violates enforceable parts of the TOS, but they can't take it over for themselves.
Basically
The best mindset to have is to be skeptical but not dismissive. This is the optimal way to think about paid mods. If it's bad it will get taken down. If it's good well enjoy your new content and modders enjoy your new incentive. Literally can't lose.
>>335151931
>So then you believe they took down a system that cost the millions and they are bringing it back again in the same way that it was before?
They will try to change the system.
But they will not find a way to do this that will keep the current spirit of modding communities alive while also allowing it to be monetized.
There is simply too much to keep track of and too many things intertwined for it to transition to a paid system.
Even something as basic as SKSE would fuck over just about everyone involved if the creators said you can't use their work.
The entire reason modding communities can make the things they do is because everything is basically on the table and free to use.
The second you monetize that is the second everyone will start excluding each other, because it stops being about making things for fun or to be creative and will become about making money.
It's not just the system that you are dealing with here, it is the people. And there is a lot of bad apples that will ruin things for everyone.
Modding is best left free.
>>335152759
But that's pretty much commie shit except private investor instead of government.
>>335152870
Valved already tried
It was horrible in every aspect and people wanted Gaben head on a pike
This is just Valve keep trying again because they can't see pass the potential money to see how much of a disaster it can be
>>335152681
HL2 had paid mods
>>335152681
>valve gets sued
More like they'll ban your ass from steam and blacklist you from receiving any money
>Hey! It's entirely within the developer's rights. At least they haven't made us pay for DLC to enable mods! They'd never do that.
Just checked the workshop. OP is full of shit, there's nothing there.
>>335152870
You speak as if there isn't already a very recent precedent for paid mods being a total catastrophe.
>>335145347
Uh no retard. Millenial is late 1970s to Mid 90s. Stop being a fucking idiot.
>>335152809
SKSE was just an example.
If you haven't read about Art of the Catch and what happened around that.
>but they can't take it over for themselves.Subscriber agreement says they can
>>335153045
>Valve
>Any sort of Quality Control
Good joke
>>335152605
Nutted.
>>335145610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emW15aLYbp4
>>335153292
>Subscriber agreement says they can
I know it does, but legally that stuff is unenforceable. IP lawyers have repeatedly remarked that the majority of the stuff in software terms of service and subscriber agreements would instantly collapse if taken to court, and that they're largely to cover all bases and serve as a scare tactic.
Rigging stuff so you can own someone else's work is remarkably hard outside of direct employment contracts, and if they used any third party tools in the chain it becomes a legal minefield. Just for starters, one thing that is categorically invalid is trying to claim ownership of artwork uploaded or ported into a texturing program
>>335146963
>>335149474
>How much do I have to pay for Unreal Engine 4?
>UE4 is free to use, with a 5% royalty on gross product revenue after the first $3,000 per game per calendar quarter from commercial products. Read the EULA FAQ for more details.
You cannot possibly argue for more than 5%.
It's fucking bullshit on every level.
>>335154158
Pretty sure the next time Valve tries to go by the "well 30% is the standard" people will point that one out.
Can we start boycotting Valve now? They wouldn't be trying it if they didn't have so much power over PC gaming.
>>335152186
I'm not defending this guy, but he's not wrong, dicknose. Don't like how Target fucks you in the ass? Shop at Walmart.
>>335149460
>brackets after namespace
>java class structure
>iterating over an empty list
>object property capitalized
>object property not cast to string
>object method capitalized
>www is not defined
>throwing unnexessary exception
>unexpected 'in' in foreach statement
Millenials will defend this.
>>335154436
>Can we start boycotting Valve now?
You should have boycotted it when they released their steam account based DRM more than a decade ago, you fucking imbecile.
>>335154436
yeah I'm just going to delete my Steam account with all those games and, uh, install Origin?
>>335144132
> Look it up
> Port of GTA content for Garrysmod
This wouldn't even be legal to sell
Also
> Garry has gone on record multiple times saying he detests paid mods
> Several people have made posts about seeing this message
> You probably aren't actually a contributor or the creator
>>335152870
I suppose thats true if you are a total fucking retard who knows jackshit about the modding community
>>335154931
>Garry has gone on record multiple times saying he detests paid mods
>>335144781
>Going to be
They already are the biggest fucking faggots. Literally. Where do you think this whole 'everyone is a tranny now' fad came from? Fucking nu-males and tumblrinas everywhere. It's obnoxious as fuck here in NYC, especially in hipster-takeover zones like Brooklyn and Manhattan.
These faggots will be in charge of the country one day. Let that sink in. Our only hope is that climate change or an asteroid kills us long before this gets out of hand.
>>335154492
It's C# faggot, stop trying to sound smart
>>335153175
>>335153032
I'm saying this SPECIFICALLY because this has already happened. Just like last time we had nothing to lose. The second it went to shit it was taken down and we want back to how it was originally. I'm saying this can happen again.
>>335155148
too bad climate change was reverse engineered from the equation for combustion.
but yea the asteroid thing will probably happen.
>>335155213
Looks backwards as fuck.
>>335144132
>gta V mods
i thought you got banned from social club for this shit im did something change?
I still don't understand the autism over this.
>>335150348
Retard. You think modders did that shit for free? They did it for the attention and popularity. Now that that isn't cutting it anymore, money is the next step.
You're retardedly delusional if you think modders, for all those years, were simply wasting their time just to make a bunch of strangers happy. They were all doing it for themselves.
I know this because I'm a popular modder and no I'm not going to reveal myself.
Fuggin whiny gommies
>>335149460
>season modding pass
>>335155604
I mod shit just because I want the game to be not shit and then I can play it more.
I actually find the best mods to be this way.
>>335155769
You're full of shit otherwise you wouldn't put it on the internet.
>>335148543
>like we saw the last time mods were paid.
The week or so the system was up wasn't really a good example of what's actually going to happen under the system
>>335155948
maybe I want people to experience something good and not garbage?
>>335156062
>What happened under the system isn't a good example of what happens under the system
>>335156179
Are you seriously arguing that having the system run for a week in an already established game modding scene is the same as having a new game start with the system
>>335156062
holy goal-posts, Batman.
>>335156276
It's a clear example of why paid mods don't work for anything other than cosmetic stuff. If a new game starts with the system, a large modding community will never even develop.
>>335156408
You're fucking retarded
>>335156408
That beer was shit/10
Hell even worse, If I ever had to torture anyone I woiuld just force this cow piss in to him.
>>335155948
>do cool neat thing that enriches your experience
>hey, maybe I could share this with some other people too who would also enjoy it, and maybe even benefit me
>maybe talented people will come forth and assist in the development of this thing
>If I'm interested in careers involving this, this would also go a pretty long ways to creating a portfolioWeird, that never happens outside of video game modding right?
>>335156448
>It's a clear example of why paid mods don't work for anything other than cosmetic stuff.
It's jack shit
A week is no time at all for new mods to be made
>If a new game starts with the system, a large modding community will never even develop.
That's an assumption
>>335156517
>T-That time it was up wasn't a good example of what things would be like when it's up!
Yeah you're really the smart one here.
>>335155769
Now games will be deliberately shit so you can fix them and sell the patch.
>>335144132
Atleast we have nexus mods
>>335147773
Bait is supposed to be subtle, faggot.
>>335147773
I've been arguing a similar point in these threads
We currently lack the knowledge of what would happen with paid mods because it's never been possible before, due to copyright claims and no easy platform like Steam to handle the money for the publisher and the modder for every game
Maybe there'll still be as many usual mods like we currently have and more extensive paid mods like total conversions, maybe there's a flood of shit mods and they all try to get money for them
>>335147773
Let's test this horse armor thing. Who knows, maybe it's good?
>>335144132
the obvious answer to making mods be paid is to force them to be over a certain complexity level.
not file size, as in it needs to add a certain amount of content before it can actually be accepted. this would prevent shit from existing.
they'd also need to make sure they didn't steal content or "compile" it together.
Basically, earn your fucking 10% steam.
>>335157261
>10%
is 30%
>>335156648
>A week is no time at all for new mods to be made
They gave selected modders advance notice so they could make content to kick off the program. Almost everything they made was a bunch of cosmetic cash-grab shit, including an armor set without a proper inventory icon that you had to use the console to get.
>That's an assumption
Do you really expect a large, open, collaborative modding community to develop within the context of a system where modders have to compete fiercely for whatever table scraps Valve sees fit to throw them?
>>335147690
> Hey, we got that piracy problem, but we're also making profit from the sales we make to our legitimate customers
> I know, let's fuck our legitimate customers over, to try to diminish the piracy problem
> Doesn't work
> Legit customers are getting pissed off and start pirating
> Repeat
Remember, we've had games where pirating was literally the better option, because you didn't have to deal with always online / limited certifications / authentication codes
>>335157112
Hand over the cash.
>>335157367
Yea, I was describing a hypothetical system that isn't cunt bullshit.
As in, steam gets 10% and the game creators get 5% but steam administers and actually handles the system.
>>335157261
That would require the companies to actually do some work on this rather than just collecting pure profit from the work of others, and we can't have that.
>>335157381
Also note the armor set was a one item piece. One item equipped the whole thing.
>>335145610
Because the mods they accept from the community are accepted into the game because they meet the standards that the devs have, if you start charging money for stuff that isn't even up to the standards of the devs then your paying for shit.
>>335145610
>faggot rips off of mod made for free years ago
>sells it as his own
>this happened during Skyrim paid mods catastrophe
>pay $2.00 for an apple mod
>>335146503
What about nexus mods?
>>335157716
Damn, I didn't know that. There goes three enchantment slots. So you're paying for something that will actually make the game *worse*.
>>335158107
They'll want to maintain an air of legitimacy, so they won't host pirated mods.
>>335148882
>KF2 came out around the paid mods fiasco
Fuck me its already been a year of staying tuned hasn't it.
>>335157381
That's still not a fresh modding scene that develops with the system in mind, it's isolated modders doing their thing
>Do you really expect a large, open, collaborative modding community to develop within the context of a system where modders have to compete fiercely for whatever table scraps Valve sees fit to throw them?
It's probably dependable on how willing people are to pay for such stuff. If nobody actually buys those 2€ weapon skins then it's possible that people will just offer them for free, especially if people who are opposed to the system are already offering their stuff for free, too.
>>335158208
I'm sure there will be dedicated communities for that anyway.
>>335157112
>We currently lack the knowledge of what would happen with paid mods
No, we know exactly what would happen because it HAS been done before. Both Doom and Decent had paid mods. What happened with those? You sold your levels and ideas directly to the creators and then they put out a disc with them. One time deal, what you got was what you got.
The model that Valve wants is something new, but we already got a preview of it and can make a good guess of what the climate will be for it.
The thing you have to take into account is the nature of people when it comes to making money and how the system encouraged that. The reason that Valve went with the whole "100 dollars until you actually get paid" thing was because it cuts down on the costs on their end because then they only have to send out the transfers to someone's pay pal every so often.
Anyway, the problem with this is that it encouraged a certain mindset within the modders. You make small micro transaction like things to get as much cash for as little effort as possible. Making something big that takes lots of time and effort to make wasn't a good time/cost ratio and it never will be.
Even if Valve changes the way they pay out to modders, it still won't work out the way you are hoping, because no one will want to essentially go back to doing it 'for free' as constantly adding stuff to a mod that people already own with the hopes that maybe one more person will buy it is retarded.
>>335158483
>but we already got a preview of it and can make a good guess of what the climate will be for it.
2 days of shitflinging from butthurt dumbfucks is not a proper groundwork for any prognosis.
>>335144132
The only way I can see them working is if refunds are available at all times for them, since mods can possibly break the game or break with an update.
I remember someone on the paid modding fiasco who pulled their mod down from the Nexus was told to get their mod off Steam for using either SKSE or SkyUI. Then the person edited the mod and added crappy solution that used no third party code that made the mod much worse. Goes to show this really only makes having mutual interaction for better mods is a lot less viable with paid mods.
Honestly, the whole paid mods thing was so half-assed and full of holes that I still can't believe Valve/Bethesda actually tried this shit.
>>335149142
We love you.
>>335144409
This.
The video game industry has already successfully trained Shooter Babies into thinking an assload of Superfluous and meaningless unlocks and skins are what makes up a game's content. Back when Modern Warfare first came out there were magazine articles questioning whether or not the prestige system would just add artificial bloat and allow developers to get away with more mediocre gameplay in exchange for a gear and unlock treadmill.
The industry itself has always set the trends and continue to do so with the hopes that consumers will eventually grow numb and bored of fighting back and eventually cave in.
>>335158608
I remember there was a mod in the Nexus that claimed "intelligent combat AI overhaul" and similar shit. It was a very popular mod with tons of downloads. When an experienced modder went on to look at the code, it turns out it just changed a handful variables and didn't add shit.
I mean, if people actually do this sort of thing for free just to get "likes" on a website, imagine what they'd do for cash.
>>335158483
>No, we know exactly what would happen because it HAS been done before. Both Doom and Decent had paid mods. What happened with those? You sold your levels and ideas directly to the creators and then they put out a disc with them. One time deal, what you got was what you got.
I didn't know that, that's pretty cool, but not all too relevant to the topic at hand, since one is the devs hand-picking mods and going through the whole process of printing and shipping discs since they're fucking savants that love vidya, and the other is a more automated approach that allows people to monetize content made using the game assets while giving the publishers a share of the cut
I see the conflict of good mods not necessarily being good effort/payoff mods compared to making smaller, cheaper mods that are sold to the masses, but that's basically a question of how the balance between the consumers and the producers plays out. As I've argued in >>335158331 , there's no point in trying to make loadse money with little mods when nobody actually buys them
>>335158985
Funny thing, I'm so fucking lazy, actually buying a mod would be more effort than pirating it. Because then I'd have to log onto my credit card account, make sure the payment went through, and pay it off.
>>335158608
They will never be able to or want to do this because of the cost to themselves. They would rather shit on their consumer base and say "You knew the risks"
>>335158759
>I still can't believe Valve/Bethesda actually tried this shit.
I can, you are a fool to not see this shit coming. Bethesda's laziness hit an all time peak, having other people do the job for them would make their day and Valve has been finding horrible ways to charge people for essentially non-content or just flat out gambling.
>>335159101
>not having your cc linked to your bank account
>>335159236
I don't use banks.
>>335144132
so... don't buy them
wow. that was hard.
>>335159119
I guess Bethesda ultimately aspires to be like Valve and be a dev that makes money off selling other people's shit.
>>335149097
>a generation lasts only 14 years
>>335159379
So clever xD
>>335159379
I fucking hate the "Don't buy it" argument.
The issue isn't about me buying it, it's about other retarded people buying it and giving the idea legitimacy.
The argument doesn't work because there will always be a mass of retards making your decision to not support the idea completely irrelevant. And then it starts seeping into your actual hobbies and interests. We've seen this shit non-stop for the past decade.
> If you don't like the game / show don't buy it
> Game / show gets super popular with retards
> Your game / show you've been enjoying for years adapts itself to pander to the hordes of retards, ruining it for the older fans
>>335159458
I think they're categorized over internet influence, since until '95 it was pretty shitty and not a generalized experience
one year since paid mods, where does the time go?
>>335158759
>I remember someone on the paid modding fiasco who pulled their mod down from the Nexus was told to get their mod off Steam for using either SKSE or SkyUI.
That entire thing was bullshit.
What it was was that in order for the mod to operate correctly it depended on a freely available tool for adding additional animations into Skyrim, that's all.
The software development world is a maze of dependencies and the unspoken rule is that your software is allowed to depend on third party libraries, tools, etc., you just can't distribute them yourself without permission.
People who try to dictate what you can and can't use their software for a generally despised by the development community and here is no different, there's plenty of threads bitching about publishers implementing DRM and shit that prevents user modding. You can't have it both ways.
>>335159846
Remember that the internet got available to the masses in '95, and got mainstream around 2007 and has been steadily getting worse ever since.
>>335144132
Question do they have DRM of their own? I mean what prevents you from adding modded files to a game through torrents, the original testing files for example.
>>335159379
>so... don't buy them
>>335144132
lik ehats and skins and dota2 shit you already can buy? i mean trade
>>335148889
It goes the other way too though bro. Any paid mod in a game I care about I'll buy then put up for free with """""""many changes and upgrades"""""
>paid mod is a thing
>everyone that does modder resource will stop making resources, the building blocks of creating big mods like cities
>collaboration mods, mods done by a group of people and use many other mods with their permission, dead, because of greed or copyright
>collaboration mods are also one of the top 10s in any modding game that overhaul the game dramatically
This will fucking die and modding will be shit just because the dev want to squeeze every cent from the casuals that doesn't know shit about the modding or the community it ties to. Imagine they did this with Oblivion, NOBODY will buy Oblivion and Bethesda would have die that year. OOO or MMM wouldn't get created and all those city mods are gone.
>>335159926
Ah, right, it was FNIS. Wet and Cold, wasn't it?
>>335159087
>there's no point in trying to make loadse money with little mods when nobody actually buys them
Unfortunately there are too many people that don't think before doing something, they see 'shiny thing' and get it. It works off the same principle that skins do in DOTA or LoL. Do they actually add anything to the game? No, but people buy them in mass.
"Oh, that's a nice weapon, it's only .99c, I should get that".
The thing that will eventually cause people to have to make more substantial content is market saturation. But this also has a problem down the line of eventually modders realizing that their work isn't giving them the returns that they had hoped for.
Remember that Valve's whole thing and the reason they started this, was that they convinced modders that they could LIVE off of this. Modders that wanted to constantly work on their mods, instead of having a day job.
Here is a timeline of what will happen with this.
1. paid mods unleashed
2. small cosmetic mods and a couple gameplay changer mods come out to cash in on the first rush
3. months later, the craze has died down and modders realize they need things with more substance when people are complaining that paid mods are often shallow and feel the same
4. modders begin working on bigger projects, some even teaming up with others
5. big teams split up over disputes of money distribution
6. 2 years later, modders accept that their work can't sustain themselves even a bit and go back to maybe working on their mods every few weeks
>>335148543
Look at YouTube before and after people could get monetized. Remember when people made YouTube videos just to be creative? Or simple vlog videos?
>>335159959
> 2007
> Debut of the big bang theory
> Twitter (mid 2006)
> Tumblr
> Modern Warfare 4
> Windows Vista
>>335148015
Your definition is wrong faggot is after 85 according to some websites but generalization is on itself retarded.
The way that other imbecile is using it refers to the absolute cunts who proudly brand themselves as millennials, usually people currently on their exact 20's or are 18 and grew up with social media, youtube post terminal cancer, and regurgitated, child friendly, old as fuck memes.
These are the people who are on board with:
Bernie Sanders
Feminism
Nu-males
Refugees
DLC
Season Passes
Assorted liberal bullshit
Tumblr
Pastel Hair Dye
Apple
Transgenders
They are the absolute worst generation, the fact there hasn't been a war to force these faggots to man up or die is an absolute tragedy.
>>335160379
Google bought youtube in late 2006
And chanology started in late 2007
Holy shit, it's true
>>335160417
> generalization is on itself retarded.
> These are the people who are on board with
>>335160309
I'm pretty certain paid modding would kill the modding community, which would make the game shit. I really doubt there would be a modding community this active 5 years after release if this system was implemented from the start. Bethesda isn't even considering the amount of sales they indirectly got from modding.
>>335159971
They tried to do that. Some were even trying to find ways to not only remind you to purchase the mod, but others were starting to chatter about breaking peoples games.
>>335160361
>Or simple vlog videos?
Oh yes, the "golden days" of youtube with fucking video response spam bullshit all over the place.
Do you seriously believe youtube has gotten worse since the introduction of monetization?
>>335160158
You're positively retarded.
The move is a brilliant strategy.
It is literal outsourcing that not only comes free, it generates revenue, and free advertising. Faggots like yourself are a literal vocal minority, but unlike trangenders and tumblerettes you do not have the benefit of the media backing your insane ramblings. This shit will stick, the gamer generation is that fucking stupid.
>>335160309
that timeline seems highly probable
>>335160417
>not using it for people born after 2k
It'd be so clear-cut and fitting, but now we have this mess of definitions
>>335147704
It's called pirating sonycuck
>>335160379
That's the turning point of everything that is wrong with the world.
>>335155604
Hold it there faggot. I've produced mods for Dorf Fort and Dominions 4 that have thousands of downloads. I don't give a fuck about attention and popularity. I don't even visit the forums for either of those games. I make mods because I like the game and because I want to play the mods that I make. In Dorf Fort's case, I didn't like the limited selection of weapons and armour and expanded upon those.
>>335160770
With the amount of censorship, fraudulent DMCA filing and literal felonies being committed by large companies over petty bullshit, yes, yes I do.
>>335160717
>> generalization is on itself retarded.
I know I could had stopped there but I had to add /pol/ hyperbole to get a reply, I am just that bored :/
>>335160783
>>335160417
These are eh same posters
![cb8473c2d2c0e17200f69cae22369572[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BU0B2f0.jpg "cb8473c2d2c0e17200f69cae22369572[1]")
People already get pissy and cause drama as they compete to be the most popular Skyrim/Fallout modders, imagine how disgusting things are going to get when money starts being thrown around.
Why would I teach someone or make a tutorial when the person reading it could end up being my competition? After all, they might still end up trying to make that mod but If I know how to do it better, I can just take the concept and make a better version afterwards. Ideas have no protection in the modding scene and anyone can take advantage of that.
Paid modding WILL draw in some people who otherwise wouldn't have modded that game before but competing for money is going to stifle so much co-operation and good faith that it won't look anything like the current modding scene. Perhaps it'll become a wild west like the app store with every chink and 15 year old kid trying to make a few cents by ripping off other mods.
What about the big name/popular modders though? I could see some of them forming modding blocks and developing utilities or assets that can only be used within that block. Take a look at any popular house mod, chances are that it uses someone's modding resources and that's the perfect thing for a group of modders to lock behind a paywall or limit use exclusively to their group. In the end instead of 30 house mods of varying quality using those resources, you get 2 or 3 high quality ones that you either pay for or pirate.
Not even mentioning the potential problems with accountability when the mods break or don't warn of a conflict or how Valve are going to police content.
>>335160056
are you so starved for entertainment cock that you can't help but gobble them nonstop?
don't buy incomplete games. it's not hard.
>>335160889
I'd prefer if you'd be quiet...but you are correct.
In all my years here this is the first time I have seen someone calling samefag correctly.
>>335160770
The thing with youtube is that there is no locked content. Also youtube monetization isn't really relevant unless you're one of the guys with millions of subscribers.
>>335146145
Nice retard logic
>>335160868
None of that has anything to do with monetization and everything to do with the ridiculous copyright law America has foisted upon the world. Youtube was already battling copyright infringement bullshit long before monetization was a thing, all they changed was offloading the issue to the users.
>>335160865
>I don't give a fuck about attention and popularity
I'm not saying you do, but everyone else would have said the same.
>>335161000
>The thing with youtube is that there is no locked content.
It's called YouTube Red.
>>335160960
>you just have to guess the game is "incomplete" before you buy it
>>335161191
Is it good?
>>335161058
If there was no money involved, there would be a lot less attempts from companies trying to steal the work of people on youtube. Before it was just companies being retarded and stopping people from promoting them for free, basically pissing on free publicity. Now they just want to keep the videos up, but make money from other people's work (sounds familiar ?).
>>335161315
Do you like PewDiePie?
>>335160056
this image is wrong and retarded
>>335161563
Except it's right.
>>335160960
>everyone else isn't retarded and gay!!!!
LOL nice joke but the public school system exists.
>>335161606
except its not and you should hang yourself
>>335161317
Just because a system can be exploited doesn't mean the entire system is crap and should be thrown away.
Your logic is idiotic, it's akin to blaming bank robberies on cars because the robbers usually escape in a car.
>>335144840
>Blood and Stone
What?
PAID MODS
FOR DARK SOULS 3
>>335160932
>how Valve are going to police content.
They won't, they never have and they never will. They have already pretty much said that trying to police this would be a mine field. They want to essentially get paid for doing nothing, while having no responsibility for the content.
"Computer broke from mod? Too bad, you knew the risks"
They want responsibility to be on the mod makers instead and the second shit turned out bad for them, they threw the modders under the bus and is why Chesko said he's never working with them again even if they put up a better system, he doesn't trust Valve to not screw him over again.
>>335146242
There are no hero's in big business. Just the corrupted those who have yet to be corrupted.
>>335161842
No, it's akin to people leaving money unprotected and then defending the robbers when they take it, then blaming the people the money belongs to.
paid mods is like buying pizza and giving a tip to the bagger.
>>335162149
Paid mods is like buying pizza then having to pay your roommate who makes homemade ketchup. Then the pizza place taking 70% of the profit from your roommate.
It's fucking retarded.
>>335161914
So it will be a wild west?
There will be nothing to stop me from making mods with a similar name, images and account name as the original?
Valve has pathetic customer support, they might be able to take a few of the obvious fake/troll mods down but for every profitable mod there's going to be at least half a dozen rip-offs being sold for 1/10th of the price.
>>335162025
I can barely understand your sentence but I'm pretty sure it doesn't refute monetization on youtube in any way.
It may be critical of copyright law which half the fucking planet, including Google, is already critical of.
>>335162149
>>335162281
paid mods is like having a car and going to the auto shop for a paint job and repair and thinking you shouldnt pay him for that service
>>335162381
The point I was trying to make is that the laws are incredibly stacked against content creators, thus making those who steal from others way more likely to go unhindered, while the content creators get shafted every fucking time.
And then going around and blaming the content creators for using "copyrighted content".
>>335162281
Paid mods is like buying pizza, coming home to find your roommate humping some skank from the street corner and him asking for 10 bucks if you want to join in while they fuck but you saying no because you don't want balls to touch because thats gay.
>>335162542
No, it'd be like going to your friend, who's a car mechanic that loves his job. Then instead of paying him a beer and a pizza of your own volition for the service, the car company comes up, tells you you should give them money so they can pay a fraction of it to your friend.
>>335144132
Paid mods were only bad because of how they were implemented.
Grandfathering in old Skyrim mods was RETARDED. Paying for mods isn't in itself a problem. Killing Floor has paid mods and its fine.
>>335144132
just dont buy them
>>335162676
modders aren't your friends kid, stop expecting free shit cause you are a entitled fuck
>>335162869
Tell that to the companies taking the majority of the profit from mod sales.
>>335144132
>mods from people that probably browse /b/ you have to pay for
>rockstar official content is free
let that sink in for a moment...
>>335155148
They're migrating out here to Queens too, and I live in a pretty ghetto area. My sister knows one dude who just moved out here, and he rides around on his bike with pink hair and croptops, like he's not trying to get his ass kicked. The worst part is that they're rude as fuck, and act like it's an actual hostile takeover. Hipsters and numales are a plague.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NszI8b9bevM
AWAKEN THE SHITPOSTERS
ONLY A SHITSTORM CAN DEFEAT THEM
>>335162926
"Can't win, don't try" is a self-fulfilling prophecy, a pathetic attempt at absolution by the weak willed.
>>335163071
>majority
except they aren't you twat
>>335163287
>Youtuber memeing that patreon is a bad thing
fucking retard
>Games are more expensive than ever
>Games have less over-all content than they did in the 2000's and 1990's
>Games like Fallout 4 are worked on by 250 people and still come out bland, boring, and uninteresting
>Ubisoft wants 1000 Employees at their Toronto office, still can't make an interesting game
>Valve hasn't made a video game in nearly 10 years
>Wow, you guys think people who modify games and upload it shouldn't be financially compensated? Why, in this day and age, people are compensated for just uploading a video TALKING about video games!
The future is moving towards a dark place and you people are encouraging it. I understand that for many people they are so young to not remember a time when paid DLC, microtransactions, etc.. were unthinkable, and that paid mods was an utter taboo.
>>335160932
>imagine how disgusting things are going to get when money starts being thrown around.
Considering that the SkyUI guy was bombarded with hate mail and basically put on blast by every non-money grubbing modder, as well as multiple people uploading the paid version of SkyUI after getting a refund for it...yeah.
>>335146890
>pay for service
>get partial service, told to pay more for the full thing
>expecting full service makes you entitled
kill yourself my man
>>335163629
>>Games are more expensive than ever
wrong retard, games cost $80 back then with inflation that s $120
>>Games have less over-all content than they did in the 2000's and 1990's
wrong, games are longer than ever with a lot of open world games padded with stuff in them. a lot of games in the 90s could be completed in few hours
>>Games like Fallout 4 are worked on by 250 people and still come out bland, boring, and uninteresting
thats just Bethesda
>>Ubisoft wants 1000 Employees at their Toronto office, still can't make an interesting game
except they have or people won't be buying them
>>Valve hasn't made a video game in nearly 10 years
CSGO and DOTA 2 came out 2011 and 2012
>>Wow, you guys think people who modify games and upload it shouldn't be financially compensated? Why, in this day and age, people are compensated for just uploading a video TALKING about video games!
your point?
>>335163389
Please tell me how 70% isn't the majority.
>>335145610
>People don't complain about paying for cosmetics in DOTA/TF2/CSGO
Speak for yourself. I am 100% against DLC and microstransations of any kind. Only purchase princes and expansions are fine.
>>335164068
>pay for full service
>"sir would you like extra optional feature"
>FUCK YOU IM ENTITLED TO IT GIMME GIMME GIMME
>>335164085
>people only buy quality, interesting games
That's why Shit Creed and Cawadooty Modern Advanced Battleduty of Reckoning sells millions right? That's why the 34272376237653786523782323th reiteration of Mario sells more than the entire Cawadooty franchise combined, right?
>>335164087
the modder makes 70%
>>335144132
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=572310302
Paid mods are not coming back.
>>335164367
why yes. you can hate these popular franchises all you want but the core gameplay of them is solid enough for people to want more
>>335164494
>core gameplay of these pieces of shit is solid
HAHAHAHAH
Fucking kill yourself.
>>335164494
>mario rehashes and cock of dooty
>core gameplay is solid
How much do they pay you to spout this silly bullshit?
>>335144132
This or $80 games. I'm sorry but developers are some of the worst paid guys in the industry for a reason, somehow they have to gain the difference against inflation. 100% support paid mods.
>>335164580
nice counter argument
>>335164494
>core gameplay of these games are good
>mario, call of duty, asscreed
>>335164085
>Games cost $80 in the 1990's and 2000's
Uh, no. Standard price of a game was $50-60. I paid $80 for Never Winter Nights in the early 2000's because it came with a 350 page game manual, a cloth map, and other trinkets that justified that price. It was also a game which allowed me to download and install hundreds of fan-made module's and had open-ended, built-in modding tools. So go fuck yourself.
>Games are longer than ever
I put 100 hours into Fallout 4, sure. Want to know how much fun I actually had in that time? Maybe 4 hours of it. I was disillusioned with the game from the first hour. I continued to play it because I wanted to see if it had any redeeming qualities at all. It didn't. Not only are games shorter than usual these days, but they lack replay ability. Pools that are a mile wide but an inch deep are awful and you know this.
I see you can't argue against the corporate examples I posted. Nicely done admitting defeat.
CS:GO is not a Valve game. It wasn't made by Valve. It was published by Valve. Are you really this dumb? Why are you actually defending bloated and out-of-touch corporations? Do you do it for free?
Are you seriously going to try and tell me an 11 year old War Craft 3 mod is a Valve game? Or that DOTA is a real game? Psst: The Warcraft Mods that that was based on? It was FREE.
The point continues to sail over your head. You are the product of several generations of individualistic, selfish, narcissistic thinking that is actually self-damaging to the consumer base. You chastise people for being 'entitled' and not paying for absolutely every single thing in the world, when really what you're doing is defending laziness and the ability to nickel-and-dime consumers to death.
>>335164674
explain how they arent
>>335164735
How can I counter-argue when you had no argument in the first place? First try arguing that asscreed and cawadooty aren't pieces of shit, because all you said was 'the core gameplay is solid'.
>>335164825
>press one button to win
>solid core gameplay
That's why. Its about engaging as watching a movie. It defeats the purpose of interactive media.
>>335164792
Are you really trying to tell me that Dota 2 is the same thing as Dota 1? Like, they threw WC3 assets in Source and called it a day? No modelling, no developing art style, no VO, no testing, nothing?
>>335159701
thanks Resident Evil 4
>>335164383
Psst: In the previous scheme, Bethesda and Valve were splitting the 70% between themselves, charging a premium for hosting the mod, and gave modders roughly 10-20%.
This is nothing more than an excuse for more and more companies to do less quality assurance, less world building, and less attention to deal, all while giving them a FINANCIAL INCENTIVE to leave things unfinished or a mess, so that other greedy individuals can swoop in, modify a couple of files, and then make a tidy profit for all that non-work they just did.
>>335164961
yea but u got to press the button quicker than ur foe and account for netcode values.
>>335164961
wtf are you talking about, those games require more than 1 button input
>>335164857
CoD has solid response controls, lots of customization, perks and killsteaks that change up the gameplay, good shooting mechanics
>>335149460
>void
as expected it returns nothing
>>335165019
there is also the fact they were paid in steam bucks
so basically you could only use the money earned on steam
>>335164792
>Uh, no. Standard price of a game was $50-60
>>335164965
>Fucking twelve year old engine
>For a lane-juggling clicker game
>V-Valve still makes games! They're original!
>9 years since the last Half Life 2 Episode, after being promised episodic content every 6-12 months
>9 years since the last Team Fortress (another game that was once a free mod)
>Every single game in Valve's portfolio, including the unoriginal IP's they didn't create, is filled to the brim with microtransactions and paid cosmetics
>Valve nickel and dimes you at every single possible juncture
>Their man cabal of veteran employees are, together, worth several billion dollars
>But they can't spring a few million to make an interesting game
>or any game
How's that official Valve Controller feel in your hands? That Valve VR sitting good on your head? Be sure to grab the new batch of CS:GO skins by purchasing 80-100 crate keys!
>>335165175
>asscreed
>hold a button that takes care of all platforming for you, press a button during combat to instakill your opponents
Nah
>cawadooty
>lots of meaningless customization because there's always one gun that almost literally everyone uses because its the superior to all others in every way
>good shooting mechanics
>recoiless hitscan
>killstreaks
>not a fucking disaster
Kill thyself.
>>335165527
all terrible retarded arguments
>>335165493
I'm hardly a Valve fan, though. They still make games, they just chose to focus on MP microtransation-heavy titles. I think the Portal 2 experiment shown them they can't milk SP/coop as much as they can do it with MP-heavy titles, so I wouldn't expect HL3 any time soon.
>>335165412
How fucking young are you? Were you a twinkle in your father's eye that you need to attempt an inflation argument? Even then, you prove yourself incorrect because that is not $80.
You're also failing to take into account that the average wage in western societies, I.E Canada, U.S.A, and the U.K have not increased to match inflation since 1984, so the price of games are actually FAR more expensive now than they were back then.
Stay in school, don't try these petty arguments, get the cold and callous corporate cock out of your mouth.
>>335165347
You could actually cash out but you needed to be making a certain amount of money AFTER they take their cut. The end result required a huge amount of sales to even get your money off of steam.
>>335165637
LOL
You can't come up with jack shit to refute why call of duty isn't a piece of shit, so fuck off. Everything I just said is true, and there's nothing you can do about it but throw a fit and toss out words.
>>335165689
>They still make games
Name the games they have released since 2014
>>335165736
what was the amount you needed to reach again
>>335165809
Moving the goalposts, then? They don't release many games. Their last project is that Portal-themed VR thing, is it not? Or was it only a demo?
>>335165751
all you did was greentext some words with no reasoning and called it a argument
>>335165809
You don't even need to go that soon, bro.
It could be argued that Portal 2 was Valve's last real game. Since CS was a free-to-play mod first, and the creator was scooped up in a hiring spree by Valve to start licensing the mods that made their generic FPS game a top seller. Also, the first portal was made by a final year group of university students, not Valve- Valve just liked it so much they scooped them up, took the IP, and made it their own. Again.
Valve got big primarily for one reason: They had a solid FPS platform that was easy to modify and host servers for. It's the same reason why Quake got popular, why Doom got popular, etc.. They knew that if they charged a good price for their base product that was required to play tons of amazing online mods, they would roll in the cash.
I could immediately tell that Valve was going the way of an evil megacorp with the blunder that was Vampire: the Masquerade Bloodlines. It was created with an early version of the new source engine, and when the new source engine was finally complete Valve refused to give the company access to it. This was intentional sabotage to fuck the company. Activision also forced V:tM to release in the same week as Half Life 2, which was obviously going to cause a massive black-out in the gaming market because people had been waiting for it for six years. It's been a steady decline of jewry ever since.
Now we're 9 years later with no new source engine, no new half life, no new platform. Just nickels, and dimes, until death.
>>335144409
You gotta have a company that controls the gaming media and are experts at black marketing.
It's gotta be Sony .
Sony got away with a kick starter , they can get away with paid mods . easily.
>>335166478
people do pay for water and drinking from rivers is still free twat
>>335165935
The mod had to make $400 before you got anything. If it made less than that, you didn't get a cent and Valve and Bethesda got everything. I think it got reset after every month, too. So if your mod made $200 in one month and $300 in another, Valve and Bethesda split $500 and you got nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH9dnQfec9E
>>335166402
Half life was everything but generic at the time you underaged fag
>>335165935
>Q. Is there a minimum revenue I must earn before I can receive a payment?
A. Yes. There are costs associated with issuing each individual payment as well as potential bank fees charged to you upon receiving money that make it prohibitive to pay out for small amounts of money. Therefore, we may hold your payment until a minimum of $100 payout is earned.
At $1 per sale, you need 400 purchases for a single payout and you have to wait until the end of the month before that occurs. No idea about the practicality of refunds because it wasn't actually included in the original attempt and only tacked on before they shut it down.
>>335166665
It rolled over so 200 $1 purchases one month would get added to the next. It's still a very unreliable method of making money and pitiful compared to the amount of money some people make from Dota 2 or CS:GO items.
>>335166643
The only "water" left that is not monopolized by the "jew" is indieshit and assorted trash.
Steam is a huge, cancerous monopoly in the PC gaming market and they are practically free to fuck you up in every way they want.
>>335166747
did SkyUI updated for free after all this shit?
>>335166812
I'm 26.
I bought Half Life on the first day.
Don't tell someone who is accurately describing recent history, because they lived through it, that they're underaged you fucking child.
>>335166926
>you fucking child
Only someone who is under 18 would say something like that. Also, the way you construct your posts suggests reddit.
>>335166865
Yes, but only grudgingly.
>>335167216
I'm sure your vast experience in analyzing reddit posts allows you to accurately identify reddit posters easily. You can't even foment an actual argument.
>>335167390
One of the devs also tried to backpedal and say "It was only money", but NO ONE believed him.
>>335167395
What argument? You already proved yourself to be underage.
>>335167216
>My assertions have all been proven wrong, time and time again.
>I know, I'll just re-assert it and then toss in some reddit!
I have NEVER been to reddit. I have no idea how it works. I haven't made an account for any forum or BBS based community in four years. I've been here since /v/'s 2 million get.
I doubt you even know what a get is. Either refute me or fuck off.
>>335167216
>scapegoats to reddit
underage detected
>>335161226
don't buy things at release. again, it's not hard. you just have to put a little effort into it and rub those two tiny brain cells you have together, just wait it out.
>>335166847
Oh and I forgot to mention, you have to pay tax on what you earn which could be up to 30% if you live outside the US.
So you sell 400 copies of horse anus mod for $1 each. $300 went to Beth and Valve and $100 to you. Up to 30% of that $100 then goes to the IRS and you get left with that $70.
If that, together with whatever else you earn for the year is above the tax threshold for your country, obviously you also have to declare it so it's included in your local taxes.
>>335167605
>still posting in a reddit format
>getting so obviously angry
>tries to reassure his "oldfaggotry" by blatantly stating old events and buzzwords
>obviously samefagging
You're just making it worse, buddy.
>>335168086
>still using reddit boogeyman, cant even stay on original topic
>>335144132
explain
>>335164429
??
>>335151967
gabe said on his AMA that paid mods made 10k in the first day which was apparently not even enough to pay the bandwidth
>>335168210
>le reddit boogeyman
Only a redditfag would address reddit in such a way. I'm sorry I insulted your favorite website. Go back there and cry.
>>335168086
Calling it now
>>335155479
only stuff that deters people from buying SHARK CARDS(tm)
>>335168538
nah I like both sites :)
>>335168580
>haha, if they disagree with me they must be trolling, r-right? RIGHT?!
Sad.
>>335168086
Refute anything said in these posts: >>335166402
>>335165720
>>335164792
I'll even demonstrate how dumb you are.
I said that I paid $80 in 2002 for Neverwinter Nights. If I am under the age I claim I am (26) or even under the age to post on this board (18) let's figure out how young I would have been.
It's 2016. Let's say my birthday is in the middle of the year. If we rewind 14 years, I would have been four years old walking into the game store with $80 to purchase a text-heavy D&D mechanic laden RPG. And that's just if I was 18. If I was underage, I would have been 1, 2, or 3 when I purchased Neverwinter Nights for $80.
You can't refute a single thing I've stated because I lived through it, I saw it and read about it and experienced it, so you switch to underage baiting and reddit (coincidentally after it's pointed out that you're too young and stupid to understand the nuances of how we've gotten to this point in the gaming industry)
>>335168767
no if you go on a autistic tangent about reddit then that is trolling
>>335144409
did you know the holocaust was actually a hoax invented by alien reptilians from mars? its true!
people in another thread are posting solid, irrefutable evidence that would make your head spin!
>>335168857
Oh, so your proof is "I am not underage because I know how much this thing used to cost when it first came out."
Because you couldn't just look it up and lie about your age, right?
You are not very bright, are you?
>>335169041
I love that picture so much.
>>335169019
>anything negative said about my favorite website in the world reddit™ must be trolling!
Pathetic.
>>335169207
> Still going after the age thing, when it's been explained to you very clearly several time by several people
> Still not addressing the actual argument
>>335169207
>He has absolutely no reason to lie
>His personal experience contributes directly to the conversation at hand
>HE MUST BE UNDERAGED! HE MUST! HE MUST! HE MUST!
Are you going to refute anything at all? I mean, if I am underaged, and you can't refute anything I say, isn't that even worse for you? You look like a retard if you're right, or if you're wrong. Congratulations.
>>335169360
>by several people
You mean you posing as several other people.
>> Still not addressing the actual argument
I don't argue with children :^)
Oh, by the way,
>putting spaces after the >
Newfag as fuck.
>>335169342
no one was even talking about Reddit and wasn't even part of the discussion, you were just getting desperate so you kept spouting Reddit as a insult
>>335169640
>spelling reddit with a capital R
You're such a reddit fuccboi it hurts.
>>335169781
I can feel the salt rising. In a few minutes you're going to be damage controlling so hard I might just have a giggle.
>>335169927
Except the only person going off on retarded non-sensical arguments about information you have no possible way of knowing is you.
>>335145347
pretty shit understanding, but its not your fault, cognitive discipline is pretty lax when you're old as fuck
>>335169927
>i wanna get the last word in so I think I won the argument
ok go ahead and post your next comment, I don't have time to take with autistic people all day
>>335146729
>using assets and textures someone else made and expecting to be paid for it
>over complicating mod pack to the point where they will no longer exist
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>335169781
>>335169927
Congratulations. You've wasted half an hour being a retard and filling up the bump-limit so people can't actually discuss the topic. You have contributed, and refuted, absolutely nothing.
4/10, you kept it up for a while, but your technique needs work.
Haven't had a chance to post this in a while.
>There are people defending this
Cant tell if mod makers or valvedrones. Top fucking Jew either way.
>>335170327
they are retards that think every single piece of a mod is created by the person instead of just reusing assets and code someone else further up the road made. they are short sighted and don't see a problem with it, they don't comprehend how it will make mod packs almost obsolete and turn it into a convoluted mess. imagine, instead of dl'ing a weapon retexture pack, you have to download the retexture of each individual weapon at $.99 a pop. Think of Brutal Doom, how it's just all these other mods put together to form a perfect game, with paid mods Brutal Doom wouldn't exist. These people are genuine retards with no foresight or hindsight
>>335170664
>Paying for mods
>>335155213
>www.hogeschoolrotterdam.nl/opleidingen
this doesn't look like it'd compile to me
>>335144132
>post goofy stuff disagreeing with paid mods
>get community banned, all my comments everywhere gone
well fuck you too, valve
>>335171153
DISSENT IS A CRIME
OBEY
CONSUME
PAY
>>335146464
They're already volatile and fickle towards each other, just look at the M&B modding community.
Just think of how horrible this is going to be once money comes into the equation.
Hey here's the solution: if Valve actually gives a shit about anybody getting paid for their work: a donate option, 100% of which goes to the content creator
>>335146242
At least pirating is still an option most of the time. I'm moving to a GOG/pirate hybrid purchase model now
2015: Paid mod(failure)
2016: Paid mod(success)
2017: Paid online(???)
what a bleak future
>>335171547
Surely that wouldn't work. It's not like donations have been used for decades to give modders money. Some programmers even made their living off donations alone, such as Tarn Adams.
>>335171547
But anon, how are Valve and Bethesda going to make money off of voluntary donations?
>>335171852
how do I get free online?
>>335171547
>if Valve actually gives a shit about anybody getting paid for their work
They don't. They care about themselves getting paid for other people's work.
>>335152759
yea, just like "free trade"
what a crock of shit, if they did real free trade all the big corps wouldn't be able to charge you 100$ for 1 cent pills from china.
>you live in a time when people are dumb or callous enough to support paying for mods
It's the DLC and microtransaction fiasco all over again.
>>335160960
What games are complete at launch now?
The Witcher 3 and?
>>335172514
He's not talking about internet service. He's talking about the privilege to play your online games through Steam. The middle man charging for something without offering anything in return.
>>335173164
>how to lose all your customers.
>>335173280
Welcome to consoles
>>335173280
Yeah Sony is really struggling right now. And the 360 before it was such a failure.
>>335173280
When we've got hordes of idiots still supporting schlock like water bottles, PS4, and the xbone, there's a good chance people will go through with it.
>>335172870
I like this, is there a source?
>>335173850
Probably drawn up by a bored drawfag during that weird Poopoo Peepee era when a lot of enticingly fey shit was done.
I wish I knew, though.
>>335149460
the indentation and brackets on this alone made me want to reeee out of my desk at work.
Paying for mods is in and of itself not a bad thing but the Skyrim debacle made it clear that neither Valve nor Bethesda had any fucking clue what they were doing with it. It was bad because it divided the community, paid mod creators peanuts for their work, brought up messy questions of mod interdependence that never got resolved, and really just felt like a giant cash-grab from the get-go. They didn't think anything through, didn't have a curation or vetting system in place, didn't pay modders a fair slice of the pie, etc.
Furthermore, to make a system like this work at all, you'd have to make it built into the game from the very beginning. They just sort of slapped that shit on the Steam store and tried to take all the money for it. It was doomed to fail.
>>335174175
>Paying for mods is in and of itself not a bad thing
And we're done here.
>>335174052
Ah gotcha.
>tfw we'll never get rid of greenlight
>even when you buy a professionally developed game, shitty $1 mod ads and recommendations will flow freely, drowning out anything of actual value
I wish steam had a
>show only good games
mode
>>335152496
This is Valve we're talking about. Once the Genie is out of the bottle, it isn't going back in.
>you will never ever pay for a complete product ever again, complete the game, play the multiplayer, download some mods and map packs and do it all over again and again
>you'll never download a few cracks so you and your buddies can play together again
>have to buy 4 copies + DLC + mods so you can grind unlocks relentlessly
>>335144132
how could valve get away with charging people to download mods of content ripped from other IP's without getting their asses sued off? They would be literally profiting and providing a means for copyright infringement.
>>335144132
they never said they were removing it completely so this is no surprise.
>>335174604
I don't even look at the steam store these days. It's so flooded with indie bullshit it makes me sick.
>>335174374
The concept of modders getting money for their work is not bad but just throwing that shit up on the Steam store and expecting it to sort itself out was not the way to do it. Crowdfunding, developer licensing, small royalties paid out to modders for driving traffic/sales, etc. could all work just fine. The problem was the implementation, not the introduction of money to the equation.
>>335144132
how easy if it gonna be to pirate mods if it goes that far?
Remember when talented modders were modifying existing products and releasing the fruits of their labor as a means to garner reputation, respect, and the attention of corporations and game devs so they could get a full time job? Does anyone really think less of Gooseman for making Action Quake, then CS, and getting hired? Of course not. That's the dream. The dream is to be admired by fellow fans of the product you like, and eventually the creators themselves, to the point that they wish to hire you. It's a great way to get coding, modeling, animation, etc.. experience without blowing $40 000 on a four year course that no one gives a fuck about in college.
This would promote jewry and laziness of the highest order. Imagine if paid mods were a thing when Oblivion was released- the game would have been a fucking mess without the mods behind that game. Imagine if Team Gizka fixed up KOTOR II, and then tried to sell you the content for $30?
>>335176046
Depends on the individual implementation within the game itself.
Simple plug-in systems like in most games will make it just as easy as pirating the DLC.
>>335176428
>garner reputation, respect, and the attention of corporations and game devs so they could get a full time job?
Hahahahahahahahaha
>>335164792
yeah i wish we could go back to the days when buying a game meant it came with loads of junk that would either sit around the house forever or get thrown out
>>335176535
There are plenty of instances of this occurring. Why are you laughing, child?
>>335144132
YESSS I CAN'T WAIT TO PULL MODS OF NEXUS AND UPLOADTHEM ON STEAM WORKSHOP
DID THIS LAST TIME AND MADE $200
THANKS GREEDY NICKEL AND DIMERS
>>335176539
That cloth map was well made. I still have it 14 years later.
All the stuff that came with the standard copy of The Witcher 2, I have that as well. Why don't you take care of your things, anon?
Has there been any official confirmation of this happening?
I know Bethesda probably wants to do something with Fallout 4 or maybe D44M, but does Valve?
>>335176535
I've seen time and time again game devs recommending modding as a gateway to actual video game design.
Of course, why would you want to work in a soul-crushing industry that promotes crunch culture and pushing out soulless products is another question...
>>335176535
That's how the team who made the Counter-strike mod got jobs. Eul's and Icefrog.
>>335176885
video game manuals or the other useless shit they throw in games like action figures and maps aren't worth the physical space they occupy
>>335177123
Oscuro, the guy who made Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul, works in Obsidian. Wow, that's lot of Os!
>>335177073
i dont think valve crunches
i think they just waste most of their time doing useless shit they think is cool but nobody cares about like VR and SteamOS
I never really got into PC gaming ever. I have played PC games before. I just never really cared for it much. Especially so after DRM shit like Steam became the big thing in PC gaming. Consoles were always superior than PC's for gaming. PC is just to see how much you can push gaming technologically. Gameplay innovation was always an afterthought with the majority of PC gaming.
>>335177332
Lol does he really work for Obsidian now? I played that mod and thought it was fuckin fantastic. Largest mod I had ever downloaded at the time that I had to copy it to a disc.
>>335177552
Yeah, if you're in a top company it's probably much better. I heard Blizzard is like that, though Boyarsky still left it for Obsidian.
>>335177686
Yep, he worked on New Vegas, still works in Obs in some capacity.
>>335177296
Standard editions existed for exactly this reason dude. Some people enjoy the trinkets you can get from special editions.
>>335170969
Haha okay you sexist douche.
>>335145087
You can be black and call someone a nigger. What force prevents people from pointing out the retards who exhibit the worst stereotypes within an identifiable group?
Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you're saying and sit down.
I'll just ''pirate'' mods.
And If I can't, I'll just pirate the whole game.
Checkmate, fat jew.
>>335177296
>video game manuals or the other useless shit they throw in games like action figures and maps aren't worth the physical space they occupy
>video game manuals
>useless
Man back in my day you couldn't even play the game without the manual. Be it either looking for a clue to pass the first level or some sort of copy protection check.
>>335146242
what is that gif from it's familiar
>>335178238
Yarr, This little Missy knows how it works on the high seas.
>>335178238
Denuvo. And always online-DRM even for single player games.
>>335179132
>modders
>paying thousands of dollars for drm
right
>>335175178
The same way they get away with their illegal refund policy. The fact that most of their customers are basically children has led them to flagrantly disregard the laws in the countries they operate in. Sooner or later they will be hard legally and Steam will probably be sold off.
>>335179264
They won't have to. It will be part of the modding platform and the publisher will pay for it. When they are spreading the costs over all the sales of all modders it becomes more reasonable.
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