Why are CRTs so based?
people usually throw crts out dude it's not the 70s anymore. I used to work at a charity shop and one day we had like 7 crt tvs donated and they all just went straight in the trash lmao
>>335055641
Why would you have a PS1 and PS2 if PS2 can play all PS1 games?
They aren't. Go back to your vinyl collection while you're at it.
>>335055641
Because they were made with quality in mind, planned obsolesce wasn't a thing like it is today back then.
>>335055987
You cant play burned PS1 games on a PS2.
>>335055641
Truer blacks, viewing angles, less display lag for older consoles because no scaling, delicious scanlines
Isn't it because CRTs have analog input and therefore much less input lag?
>Using CRTs for SD consoles
The only reasonable choice
>Using CRTs for HD console
FULL FUCKING RETARD
>>335055641
Because games play like a dream on them.
>>335055641
Underage GTFO.
>>335055641
This thread would be received much better at/vr/dude. Can't trust the underaged here to appreciate em.
>>335056204
>HD Consoles
>where half the game were sub720p last gen and more than half struggle to run higher than 720p
>>335056026
Yes you can if the ps2 has a modchip
>>335055641
Good CRTs are based, otherwise they're decent
>>335056204
What if it's an HD CRT?
>>335056541
Good point. Those are fine for HD consoles. Actually really good depending on the TV and the resolution.
>>335055641
Have fun with your electric bill
>>335056541
I've heard bad things about post processing in HD CRTs but no idea if it's a common thing or not
>>335056541
480p CRTs.
SD is 480i.
It also applies to 720 and 1080p Widescreen CRTs.
They are mostly PVMs.
>>335055641
because its a case of new smart electronics being dumb for several reasons, all of which dont have to be this way.
240p was never recognized by the tv makers, so its generally bad or broken on digital tvs.
composite video should not be described in digital pixel terms and should be sampled at a high frequency each line, but koreans obviously think that low res video requires low res capture, which is wrong.
oh, and the fact that tvs apply all sorts of sharpness filters and other bullshit that may or may not be disabled, because consumers expect dvds to magically be 1080+ otherwise its 'bad'
>>335055641
CRT fags will never know how great HD looks.
the only use for a CRT in this day and age
>>335057791
You're a retard
I have 2 HD displays and 3 CRTs for various consoles
Until 2011 my only choice when playing consoles was share the family room TV or use a shitty CRT that was in my room and I performed a lot better oncodon the crt
>>335057791
There are HD CRTs, fool.
>he can't feel the input lag on an HDTV
>>335057791
well baited, friend.
crt is the reason 1080*i* exists
>underagefags
>>335056026
>still using "burned" games
everyone in the past 5 years has been using FMCB and an IDE drive
>>335058954
You cant play PS1 games trough any kind of softmod, only hardmod.
Meanwhile PS2 games are superior trough and HDD or network.
>>335059086
well fuck me, I never even tried to boot PSX games through fmcb, but always assumed you could do it. Turns out the PSXLauncher in FMCB requires you to do the swap trick
Can you use the PS2 controller on the PS1?
I play Gameboy Advance and N64 games on my HD projector via WiiU. Pixel Perfectenabled.
Come and fight me you autistic pieces of shit.
>>335055641
>that fucking bubble wrap between the PS1 and PS2
>>335057791
HD fags will never know how to play fucking lightgun games
yeah, you can't play them on HD tv's and anything new doesn't use any sort of the same tech. there is NO shit even like PS move so i can simulate it this gen
how am i supposed to play GalGun without a lightgun to make hunnys cum?
>>335060135
WiiU still uses Wiimotes which is capable of play Duck Hunt VC and the like
>>335060294
>underage b& these days don't even know what a light gun is
>>335055641
>Not having a 20 inch RGB monitor that used to be tied to a security camera system in a mall
>>335060658
Sadly I can't find any in my area
>>335060135
VR Arcade emulators allow you to simulate light guns.
You're basically in a virtual "living room" playing emulators on virtual TVs.
>>335060395
> there is NO shit even like PS move so i can simulate it this gen
>>335060135
>>how am i supposed to play GalGun without a lightgun to make hunnys cum?
Don't worry, they completely eliminated any form of challenge so you can play it with a fucking controller.
>>335060883
I've yet to see any evidence that Vive is accurate enough for that. There's a chasm of difference between the accuracy and latency required for moving your hands around, and the requirements for precision aiming a pistol.
I'd pick one up tomorrow if people were actually working on that shit instead of just running MAME in a virtual cabinet and hoping for the best. A resurgence of light gun games is the only foreseeable area that VR could actually make a difference in.
>>335055641
Only 90s kids will get this XD
I only use outdated, inferior tech because I'm unique and special.
>>335058456
My 55" 4K vizio is good enough
13ms
>>335062514
And cus you have autism
>>335062582
That's a full frame. Not even close to good enough.
>>335055641
>Tfw America never got consumer RGB CRTs like Japan and Europe so we never experienced perfect retro gaming.
I will never not be fucking mad.
Do they actually get rid of jaggies?
>>335056541
Most HD CRTs are shit for standard definition content.
>>335062943
SCART is literally the only good thing about retro gaming in Europe.
>>335062943
Weren't cabinets basically the same?
>>335063359
Except 99% of scart connections were just composite. PVMs are the same everywhere, and it's probably easier to find one in America anyway.
>>335056541
Fucking terrible DO NOT get an HD CRT since the whole point of getting a CRT is so 240p images don't get upscaled. You may as well get an LCD at that point.
>>335063428
Arcade machine monitors in America were RGB.
>>335063472
Most TVs had at least one RGB-capable SCART socket.
>>335056016
i hope you like input lag, faggot
What's a good CRT for me to buy? I don't care about big resolution though it wouldn't hurt to buy a 1080p one. And what price range is good, I don't wanna get ripped off.
>>335063516
I would say an HD CRT is perfect for 6th gen consoles since anything newer can be pretty brutal looking
>>335062703
Yes, it's a full frame if you play games at 77fps.
>>335055987
Because the PS2 doesn't feature the full PS1 start-up video?
Also THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED
>>335056087
This nugg knows what's up
>>335063563
Is it possible to rip an monitor out of an arcade cabinet? I've always assumed that the video signals were hard wired to the arcade board.
>you will never have your own room full of glorious crt candy cabs with all your favorite weeb arcade games
time for suicide
>>335063806
As far as Consumer TVs go, get a Trinitron. They're the only ones with apeture grill, which reduces color bleed and makes for a sharper image overall. Find one with an S-video input. You can frequently find them for fucking FREE in reasonably populated areas if you look hard enough because there is no demand for them. If you do pay, don't pay more than around $30 max.
If you want even better, find a PVM or BVM and read the pastebin in the /vr/ CRT thread but be prepared to shell out some cash and a lot for shipping if you don't luck out and find some business getting rid of one nearby
>>335056419
> underestimating meleefags
>>335063734
Unless you're a full autistic speedrunner, you probably won't notice it.
>>335064196
Or if you play fighting games, racing games, or SHMUPs
>>335064196
Most people will notice it and just think something is wrong with the game not knowing it's input lag
>>335064196
I'm sorry that your eyes are dog shit and can't even detect 5 frames of input lag
>>335063806
Here's a tip: For retro gaming, HD CRT TVs are complete shit.
They almost invariably scale the 240p image from your console up to 1080i, or whatever the native resolution is. This makes it no better than an LCD display.
Classic CRT TVs are good, in that case you should look at the model and condition and also what inputs it supports.
If you're planning to use it for emulation, then a PC CRT is great. It's sharp as fuck and supports RGB over VGA. You'll probably want to run it at 3840x480 with Retroarch just to make sure everything looks razor sharp. As long as there's no scaling involved CRTs don't care about horizontal resolution btw.
>>335064393
Isn't the left possible with RGB?
>>335064107
i'd rather go to a jap arcade
the experience, the community, the fun
>>335064393
>>335064526
The edges will not be nearly as sharp unless you're using a high end monitor like a PVM.
>>335059545
No. But you can use ps1 controller on ps2.
>>335064562
I have a jap arcade near me but it's all shitty modern flatscreen cabs, they look like garbage for basically anything but modern 3D fighters
If CRTs are so good why did they get fucked by LCDs? checkmate
>>335059864
Mildly triggered
>>335064729
LCDs are cheap
>>335064729
LCDs are convenient
>>335056016
But vinyl is superior, senpai.Though that's only because how horrifically CDs have been mastered for the past decade and a half.
>>335064729
because for normal shit, everything got better. dvds and shit.
but was bad for retro games, looks like shit.
i got a trinitron, shit is banging
>>335059545
Yes.
>>335064729
Space and marketing.
>>335064526
This is about as sharp as you can get with the highest quality CRT.
Screen is zoomed in to enhance scanline effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXHQvJkfy8o
>>335064570
>>335064729
Because normies don't care about things like picture quality and latency, they care that it's smaller so they can fit it in their car, and that the adverts are telling them it's "new" and therefore better somehow.
The massive size and weight reductions meant that manufacturer shipping costs went through the floor, CRTs had no hope of competing at those prices.
>>335057954
>walmart bag
it's the little things man that completes an image
>>335064241
Filter or an up close shot of a BVM?
>>335055641
>Now that V A P O R W A V E is a thing, hipsters will drop vinyl and record players for crts, tape players and playstations.
Can't wait for specialty made CRT televisions at $200 in 2018 fampai.
>>335064935
Is there a big difference between BVM and PVM? I'm looking for a CRT but BVM are expensive compared to PVM
>>335062582
Jesus christ, don't you get sick playing?
>>335059545
Yes, and vice versa.
>>335064393
joke's on you, i played it on a gba
>>335065134
Nigga that would be a dream considering that high quality PVMs go for thousands of dollars.
>>335065134
CRT production lines are beyond dead, it'd be like starting from scratch again.
>>335065217
It's between perfection and very high quality. Bear in mind that PVMs were used for industries where picture quality was almost as important as broadcasting, like medical and military uses.
>>335064994
Let's be honest now, the compact design is a pretty big plus. I never loved the fact that my TV is fat and heavy as fuck
If only we could have that AND no input lag
>>335065421
Doesn't Ikegami still make CRTs in China or India?
>>335065217
A BVM is expensive because the projector is built to last for decades and never be turned off. A word of advice is don't buy them online and especiall off ebay go find a warehouse or broadcasting station that's throwing out their old shit and offer to take it off their hands.
>>335065334
Buy a crt now, resell it at 200% value in two years then.
Is it true that your body adapts to input lag naturally and adjusts your presses accordingly?
>>335064393
i really wish they would add some filters to fake CRT distortions. retro pixels in HD are garbage.
>>335064093
Sometimes, the output is reversed and then shown to you via a mirror
>>335065468
>>Let's be honest now, the compact design is a pretty big plus.
No, it really isn't. You only have to move your screen twice in its life, so weight really isn't an issue, and only wall mounted displays manage to save a reasonable amount of space.
Around the time CRTs died, there was a fair amount of work going into half-size displays, and the issues with beam convergence would have eventually been fixed.
>>335065421
Thanks, looks like I will probably end up buying this PVM i found.
>>335065219
No.
It's barely noticeable.
It's not like I have a choice. This was the best possible option on the size I wanted. Any other TV is around the 30+ms range.
Look at shit like http://www.displaylag.com/reduce-input-lag-in-pc-games-the-definitive-guide/
GAMINING MONITOR: 3 frames of input delay at best. Fucking 50ms input lag
CRT: 1-3ms
And thats a fucking gaming monitor. Image how much worse exists out there?
>>335065695
It's a good idea. BVMs are better, but there are a lot of costs involved, you need input racks and control units.
Aim for a minimum size of 14", and a good choice is 20 if you can get one.
>tfw my CRT died a few months ago
>>335065134
Out of all the shit that gets kickstarted I would totally crowdfund a project for professional quality gaming CRTs under a grand.
>>335055641
They look horrible and the image quality is horrible. Nigga just stop
>>335063472
>Except 99% of scart connections were just composite
Incorrect. Over half SCART sockets were RGB compatible and more than 80% had the necessary pins for full RGB.
>>335062582
>13 ms to change pixels from grey to grey
>Maybe 18ms for proper white to black changes
>Most likely 2-3 frames of input lag if not more on the top of that
>>335065856
New LCD/LED monitors now have less than 10ms input lag, some even go as low as 5ms. That's literally not even one frame at 60fps.
http://hubpages.com/technology/Top-Gaming-Monitor
>buy a PC CRT
>occasionally the sides of the image just move in by like 5% for no discernible reason
>it fixes itself at random, too
Finding a nice secondary monitor for cheap is such a crapshoot.
Anyone else own one of these HD CRTs?
>>335065856
>60hz gaming monitor
lol, we are up to 144hz now and under 5ms input lag
>>335066092
Most HD CRTs introduce input lag and upscaling, thus eliminating the benefits of a CRT.
>>335066212
sony bvms do not though
>>335066092
What's the screen size? Does your CRT come with a controller to adjust picture like most TV instead of that thing on the top? What's the refresh rate?
>>335066065
I am just glad the trend actually came to this.
Even if most of those panels have a full frame of input lag, for no reason.
>>335065881
>that feel when I just so happen to live near a guy who fixes them for a living
>that feel when getting my favorite 600lb crt fixed on the 3rd
Feels good man, I just hope it doesnt cost an arm and a leg.
>>335066134
>>lol, we are up to 144hz now
We were hitting 120 over VGA back in the 90s, kid.
With a better analog standard akin to Displayport, we could have had 4K in every home a decade ago. I know it's hard to imagine, but back in the day, you could buy a monitor with a high resolution, and just play it at a lower one until you upgraded with no shitty scaling artifacts.
>>335059864
let me know when the screen finally shows your input taking effect
I just hope it happens before this thread is archived
>>335066471
>We were hitting 120 over VGA back in the 90s, kid.
My CRT can sync at 200Hz. It's fucking crazy but only supports 480p at such refresh rate.
>>335055641
With 4K you have enough pixel density.
Do wireless controllers have input lag? If so, how much? Will science ever create a TV besides crt that has basically 0 input lag? I'm scared for the future of vidya.
>>335066347
32", no controller, refresh rate of 60.
fapping on a CRT monitor is based 10/10
i just cant go back, what the fuck is wrong with me
>>335066735
They do. But most modern TVs can be placed in 'videogame' mode to account for it. I have no idea how it works but the feeling of lag is significantly reduced
>>335066735
>Do wireless controllers have input lag? If so, how much?
So much that you'd literally never want to touch one again if you knew.
>Will science ever create a TV besides crt that has basically 0 input lag?
No, the move to digital over analog has completely eliminated any chance of that.
>>335064135
>>335064515
I honestly want it mainly for PC gaming. And I don't mind playing at 720p. I know that sounds like heresy since we are at 4K level today.
>>335064393
> never used scart connector.
>>335067002
Then I'd advocate getting a PC CRT. Only problem is that the vast majority of those are 4:3.
>>335066735
All protocol for wireless is lightspeed. Which is no lag.
That do not mean the protocol isn't flawed.
I.E Wiimotes have like 2-3ms of input lag from bluetooth. But on PC, the USB would add another 10ms, and then the fact the driver might be shit(normally it is).
But its a thing you would only notice in games like Hyper Light Drifter, because it has a a skill which fails if the input is delayed to the next frame.
For normal USB mice you are limited to pooling rate. That means you are running on a 125/250/500 windows a second for input. Assuming the protocol isn't flawed. If the protocol is flawed, it might skip inputs for several windows to save battery.
So even the perfect mouse will have 8ms of lag, unless pooling rate is changed. At 250 ticks, its 4ms, regardless. Etc.
Thats assuming the device isn't shit. If the device is shit, it will pool 10-20 times a second, for massive input lag. I.E All the early 2000s wireless mice
>>335064935
Jesus Christ, I literally hadn't heard that game music in 20 years or more.
>>335055641
Can someone pls tell me the model of that TV?
>>335067341
>Oh, cool. A short haired anime girl. Don't see them a lo-
>filename
Thanks for saving me from clicking.
>>335067129
I used to have a flat CRT 4:3 which was great. My father gave it away and since I already had some LCD shit and I'm missing it. There is nothing locally for PC CRT. I might have to go with a Sony Trinitron or that BVM shit.
>>335067670
It reads on the fucking TV you retarded piece of shit.
>>335056541
Aren't those usually blurry as fuck?
>>335067670
It's on the side, you turbo nerd.
Is it possible to create a game in which motion is not represented by frames per second, but by something far more fluid and natural? Is there a way to ascend beyond frames and into real time?
>>335067892
Don't think. It's clearly not your expertise.
>>335055987
its not the same!
>>335067892
Audio could run at a higher rate. But beyond that? Not for video displays.
>tfw you have a CRT
>tfw you have a PC light gun
>tfw you can play HotD, switch over to Virtua Cop, then finish up with some Maze of the Kings
I should really see about getting PS2 emulation set up for Time Crisis, but it's such a fucking mess that I can never be bothered.
>>335062582
How do i check the ms on my monitor and tv?
>>335066092
HD....CRT???
what fucking black magic is this?
>>335058104
>cod
Crt probably had less input lag.
>you'll never see a picture as good as your parents' old 720p CRT
Life is suffering
>>335068819
I just used 240p test suite to count frames and took a photo with my monitor and a reference CRT.
>>335056026
Wat.
Planned obsolescence has been a thing since the 40's. It's been "kind of a thing" ever since Edison's lamps were so good they wouldn't go out so lamp manufacturers made sure to sabotage their own.
>>335069232
Thank you anon.
>everyone telling me how great they are and how amazing games look on them because "pixels aren't supposed to look like that"
>bust out my old NES and PS1
>games look pretty much exactly like on emulators, only a bit blurry
Gee. What a difference.
>>335056204
lol joke's on you, faggot, I play my PS3 on my flatscreen CRT because I'm not a retard who takes it up the ass from display lag.
>>335056239
>CRT
>underage
How's your autism
>Found a small Panasonic CRT
>Plugged my GC
>Oh there's a headphones port
>Plug an ATH M50X
>Launch F-zero GX and play AX Cup
I almost had an orgasm.
It is so good.
>>335068819
Guitar hero is pretty nice.
You can also use a camcorder, record video and audio, then find the latency between the (distinctive) sound and (distinctive) frame
>>335062582
>13ms
Jesus christ.
I even find 5ms to be annoying on my display.
>>335069591
Yeah? 99% of /v/ are underage, le born in le wrong generation /b/ defeners.
>>335067892
You could do a puppet show. That'd work.
>>335069075
Its just aspect ratio anon. Please tell me you know that there are 4:3 LCDs.
Or are you actually referring to the higher resolution?
>>335067892
What the fuck.
How stupid are you.
>>335055641
they shoot radiation into your eyes and weigh a fuck ton, but have an infinite refresh rate and a component called the cathode ray tube, they're pretty rad
>>335067892
Not until someone figures direct brain interfaces.
>>335070229
I mean electron beam, CRT stands for cathode ray tube which is still pretty based.
>>335070229
Isn't all light radiation?
>>335070615
Yes.
>>335070229
>they shoot radiation into your eyes
Well meme'd
>>335070229
>infinite refresh rate
technically not true, but the refresh rate they could potentially reach is absurdly high
>>335064526
No, not like that. The technology still doesn't display sharp-edged pixels. RGB just isolates the signals.
![mb_vectrex_1s[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/C6EAJeW.jpg "mb_vectrex_1s[1].jpg")
VECTREX
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Why doesn't your CRT have infinite resolution?
>>335071042
>tfw when i switched from a 95Hz CRT monitor for a 720p@59Hz monitor
Shit hurted my eyes for a long time.
>>335070615
I don't know about that but what I can tell you if it is (which I'm pretty sure it is) it's not on the same level as x-rays which older models such as op's pic do emit.
>>335071042
Obviously, but it's so high the human brain will never be able to notice the difference
>>335065134
I fucking wish. No one's going to be making that shit and when they're all gone we'll be playing our Genesis games on displays that are terrible for them because we have no other choice.
>>335063516
you suck at posting here, fuck off
>>335065595
Yes, but that doesn't solve the reaction time issue
>>335071179
>Vectrex
>CRT
>>335071409
By the time that happens, there wont be a working Genesis left. And you'll be dead.
>>335062582
>13ms
But you don't game on it..right?
>>335066092
I have one that I use for 7th gen stuff. Frankly I largely keep it around as a novelty but it works well for that.
>>335069701
Find be a better tv that's in the 55+ range and doesn't eat up a shit ton of space. I won't accept anything below 55
Go ahead, I'll wait
>not using an oscilloscope
>>335072101
Holy fuck that's the raddest shit I ever saw even though it's 100% impractical
>>335072101
nightmare run on that shit
confirmed
>>335072101
I'd play the fuck out of a game like that, and I'm not talking about some shit that's emulated I mean straight vector graphics FPS on a REAL vector graphics monitor. Something reminiscent of those old vector arcade games like this,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA_kDTwZodQ
>>335056541
i hope you live in a palace because that would be Xbox HUEG
OP, this is neo-/v/ time, where homosexuals run rampant. Most of them aren't even old enough to know what a CRT is lol.
Trinitron vs Wega
Discuss.
I have a huge Mitsubishi / NEC Diamontron but im not using it cause its fucking huge and I have no place to put it.
It goes up to like 200hz, it's wonderful. I need to find a use for it.
Anyone else miss deguassing their screen? I loved doing that.
>>335075254
Extremely comparable
>>335055641
I bet you wear skinny jeans and artisan wool scarfs made from small family farm raised sheep, you hipster fuck.
