Why people still demand legacy servers?
Blizzard explained many times that they don't keep old builds of their software
So? I don't think people care about that.
Yet somehow a group of fat hairy neckbeards managed to create Nostalrius in their basements on 56k modems and toasters.
Why? Because we want it. You can play diablo 2 or warcraft 3, why not vanilla wow?
>they don't keep old builds of their software
They lied
Are people that want legacy servers...
>Vanilla players that miss vanilla WOW?
>Players that didn't get to play vanilla WOW?
For the love of mercy stop making these threads already
>>335040290
Both.
I was a part of the second group.
Tried it out of curiosity, stuck with it because it actually felt like an MMORPG.
>>335039738
>2016
>People are drooling over vanilla WoW and Overwatch
How does Tigole do it
>>335039738
There may be fanbases out there who are objectively worse, but blizzdrones who can't stop drinking the Kool-Aid are by far the most insufferable.
>>335039738
>Why people still demand legacy servers?
ALL other MMOs are poopoo tier
it's the ONE good game in the ENTIRE GENRE
>>335039738
>jagex says they don't keep old builds of runescape
>after much complaining they all of a sudden have a build from 2007
You think blizzard doesn't keep old builds?
>>335040402
by being a faggot who sucks up to SJW
>>335039738
I'm sure the fans who did keep the old builds would be happy to provide it for them.
>>335040591
>this MMO that doesn't exist is the best MMO
>what is SWG, etc.
>>335039738
>Blizzard explained many times that they don't keep old builds of their software
Bullshit.
/thread
>>335041048
>It's the lost source code meme
I grow tired of it too, especially when some small team of basement dwellers ran vanilla WoW perfectly
Could you PLEASE delete this thread?
We already have enough Nostshilling as it is
>nice thread about Legion
>talking about order halls, bull prepping, demon hunters and black breeding
>suddenly Nostfags show up and shit up the thread with graphs like pic related
Why the FUCK is this allowed, Blizzbros? How do we stop them?
>>335039738
>Blizzard explained many times that they don't keep old builds of their software
Nobody even remotely believes that since they have made several changes to the core build since then.
>>335040056
drop rates are high. Loot rates are higher. exp is higher. Mod spawn time is higher. exp from question in is higher.
Yes... Just like blizzard servers.
>>335041392
Don't underestimate blizzdrone dick slurping.
>>335041603
Except for higher spawn rates you are wrong about every one of those.
>>335040639
Lol remember when Tigole organized strikes in EQ against hybrid classes being able to tank good as his warrior? Fucker hated paladins so much he crashed servers with this minions because Paladins could tank. Its because of his influence. That Paladins (and other hybrids) were broken in early vanilla WoW. Blizz completly rerolled paladins class when there was only few weeks of beta left and made them useless.
Fuck Tigole
>>335043073
If a hybrid can tank just as well as a warrior but also do other things the warrior can't, what's the point of playing a warrior?
>>335041603
ok buddy
>>335043196
Damn Tigole how long have you been shilling here.
>>335043523
Can you give a serious answer?
>>335041603
Nigga what
We had a rogue in our guild who run 41 URBS runs before truestrike dropped
Fuck you
>>335043650
Not him, but one would think you'd continue to play Warrior for A) it has skills that hybrid wouldn't have that benefit the team and B) cause you're a fucking Warrior.
>>335043196
Different game mechanics, lore, rp and look of class for starters.
>>335039738
In that case it's abandonware and there shouldn't be any problem setting up our own, right?
Blizz are right to not go with legacy servers
Popularity rise for a few months till people get bored and most nostalrius players only played it because it was free
>>335041269
blizzdrone pls
>>335043954
>most nostalrius players only played it because it was free
[citation needed]
>>335043882
Problem is, because literally nobody wants to play vanilla the server will get close to 1 million players in no time and Blizzard will have to shut it down again
>>335043954
>because it was free
if blizz made legacy theyd easily gain 12 million+ subscribers like it was in vanilla
>>335044072
>theyd easily gain 12 million+ subscribers
Not a chance in hell.
>go through vanilla release cycle (like nostalrius did)
>suddenly no more content
>???
You idiots never think anything through.
>>335044037
show me one blizzard server that does have 1M active players lol, they have 4M subs max on so many servers that communities on those seems completely dead compared to nonstop 3k active player on PVE or 9k on PVP, it's not even about money, blizzard is just angsty kid unable to accept they're dropping ball since cataclysm
>>335044206
you keep adding the expansions servers to legacy until we get to do legacy wod servers
>>335044206
They could always add more content to Azeroth.
>>335044206
>wooo it's so hard to script some funny event once in 3 months
>>335044028
>i didn't play with /nosg/
They were all fucking NEETs, college fags living in their parent's basement, or gender-confused fuccbois.
They played it cause it's free and not for nostalgia because that actually requires people to play during the Hakkar Blood plague.
>>335044218
>the joke
>your head
>>335039738
>it's a nostalricucks clamoring for a legacy server episode
never ever ever
>>335044280
THATS NOT VANILLA!
I WANT A REAL VANILLA EXPERIENCE
STARTING AT PATCH 1.1
>>335044279
>you keep adding the expansions servers to legacy
But nobody wants that. They want a vanilla server.
>>335044315
Citation. Needed.
>>335044280
You mean like an expansion? I thought that was what you didn't want.
>>335044206
>Sure I'll be game over soon, let me just grab R14 real quick :^)
>>335044325
>I was merely pretending to be retarded.jpg
i think blizzard is fucking retarded but if they opened up a legacy server i would gladly pay $15 a month to play on it
>>335044364
>>335044381
The expansions are what made WoW shit. If they made a vanilla server they should stop at AQ, never add arenas and start adding content to the rest of Azeroth without changing anything with stats. Do no make cross-server queues, do not add resilience, do not add expansions.
Made some new raids and dungeons in zones that never got them. New attunements, maybe even new classes.
>>335044543
If you don't add content there's no reason to play.
>>335043196
>everyone gets Bloodlust, it's just named differently
>everyone gets Resurrection, it's just named differently
>everyone gets Taunt, it's just named differently
>everyone gets Polymorph, it's just named differently
>>335044370
not according to /r/nostalrius /r/wow and other places discussing what to do after vanilla is finished
"you add expac because thats what nost was gonna do, they were gonan ad tbc"
>>335044595
They should add content but not in the way they did before. Add new raids and dungeons to existing zones in vanilla Azeroth.
>>335044629
Maybe Nost. missed the point. People want a vanilla server, not a progressive server.
>>335044720
I guess you havent been reading, tons of people want progessive servers.
>>335044720
Nostalrius was the most successful private server for a reason. By being progressive and modern it managed to become more than just a novelty.
>>335044803
Those people are idiots. TBC killed WoW.
>>335043954
>If I post this in every thread then it will become true
Who would lie on an Anonymous image board where no consequences exist?
>>335044829
>Nostalrius was the most successful private server for a reason.
They offered a pure vanilla experience without pay-to-win or 10x exp.
>>335044838
I guess the private server is retarded and thats why blizzard shouldnt listen to them
Because if blizz adds one theyll have to do a server for every expansion
Have fun with 5, 30gb versions of wow on your computer :^)
>>335044941
Yes, and content progression was an integral part of "vanilla". Without it there's no way to have an active endgame.
>Blizz will soon have 7 releases of content available.
>only ever have 1 available at a time
>>335044829
>this is what nostalricucks actually believe
loving every laugh friend
>>335044971
>Because if blizz adds one theyll have to do a server for every expansion
If blizz caves and adds a vanilla server at most you'll be getting 3 servers: PvP, PvE and RP.
>>335045016
So add new content to vanilla. Have a team design new content for vanilla WoW. A new raid and / or dungeon for every zone. Don't add arenas, don't add flying mounts, don't add resilience, don't add cash shops, don't add daily quests, don't add welfare epics.
>>335045271
>all i want to do is raid MC every wednesday for the rest of my life
-No one ever, 2016
>>335039738
>Blizzard explained many times that they don't keep old builds of their software
I think Nostalrius releases their code
if Blizzard isn't good enough to write it themselves they can take that
>>335045278
Youd need more than 3 servers if you had more than 150k+ "players" on it
>>335045349
>all I want to do is play a buggy, artificially fun, casual friendly version of vanilla
t. memelord
Why not just release a couple servers that gradually move through the game's content? Diablo has Seasons and Ladder characters, why not so the same with a handful of WoW servers that roll into a new expansion every 6 months? Players could transfer off at the end of a full start-to-current content run to a low pop realm in order to keep their characters.
>>335045278
You are autistic
Keep in mind, you are asking for the wow dev team to basically double it's workload, as it makes content for Vanilla. On top of that, the abilities and gameplay will stagnate. How long do you think you can play a ret paladin in Vanilla before it gets boring? And while we're on the subject of ret, they will always be shit under this idea. There will be no balance changes, as the most they can do is bump numbers, or they run the risk of moving it from Vanilla wow.
>>335039738
>Blizzard explained many times that they don't keep old builds of their software
Who is this "Blizzard" guy anyway? Disregarding this "Blizzard" person, I know for a fact that the people who programmed the game kept copies.
>>335041603
even if this were true
>tweaking values
>hard
again, if some neckbeards can do it in they're mum's basement then I'm sure blizzard can too
>>335045552
Divides their playerbase and there's no economic incentive to do it
>>335045525
No ones asking for active development of vanilla.
it's a small group of people and would require a lot of work/money to link up accounts and whatever stuff they have running to legacy.
so blizzard removed a pose after complaints, cool, but that's like 1/1000000th of the cost of giving all players access to legacy servers.
>>335045482
I doubt you'll get that many. You'll get the die hard vanilla nost. crew and some people willing to see what the old game was like. Few others will stick around.
>>335045525
>basically double the workload
Yes, not to mention customer service / technical support. They all need to learn a new version of the game, or they need to hire and train people to learn this older game. This is all assuming they actually go through with a vanilla server, please keep in mind. They probably won't.
>abilities and gameplay will stagnate
Disagree. Vanilla WoW was perfectly balanced and 11 million+ players enjoyed it for a very long time.
>ret will be shit
Ret was decent enough in vanilla, just not for PvE. You could take 1 ret pally on a raid and be perfectly fine though because they had unique buffs.
If you moved on to TBC warriors, rogues and hunters all get completely shit on in every way imaginable. Sure a handful of builds are now viable but the game is garbage.
>>335045906
But they should.
>>335046018
So, blizzard launches
YOu have 150k people loggin to elwynn forest
>>335046018
Vanilla was pretty shit tbqh. Had to walk everywhere and no matchmaking.
>>335046120
>I doubt you'll get that many
>>335046138
This is bait.
>>335045906
>So add new content to vanilla. Have a team design new content for vanilla WoW. A new raid and / or dungeon for every zone.
I'm sorry what did you say
WAS THAT A FUCKING LIE
>>335046018
Vanilla WoW was not perfectly balanced. Nothing can be perfectly balanced, and judging from other accounts, some of it was a mess.
>>335046138
i spent 90% of my time back then fucking running between towns/quests/instances, people have some serious rose colored glasses on. although the old skill system was a bit better
>>335046190
But it's not bait. More convenient. Take off the nostalgiagoggles please.
>>335045539
Spoken like someone who's obviously not a software engineer. Software engineers don't keep backups of their old code because old code takes up lots of bits and blops and it would also slow down the servers to have all that code on it. Also you know how you can't play Nintendo 64 games on an XBOX 360? It's the same thing, old versions of the server won't run on new versions because the hardware architecture is different.
>>335044370
>But nobody wants that. They want a vanilla server.
I want a TBC server.
I'd be fine with playing vanilla first, doing some raiding. Then once I get bored of the content transfer my guy to TBC, do the same there. Then WOTLK after.
Why should Blizzard care about making oldschool servers for a small niche crowd of people?
100k people playing on a free private server versus the millions of people who still play on retail.
>>335046190
So, even more of a reason for blizzard not to do it.
>>335046312
i think these people think that Blizzard deleted all their old code, i would bet my life this is all out of context and they really meant what you just said
>>335046354
I could easily lead a team of 4-5 developers/IT guys that run a handful of Classic servers for less than 1.4 million dollary doos a month.
>>335046301
>some of it was a mess
Extremely exaggerated.
>>335046304
Still not biting.
>>335046313
But TBC killed WoW. Aren't you paying attention?
>>335046357
I don't know what rock you're living under but they don't want to do it. They were very clear about that.
"No. And you may think you want that but you don't."
Sound familiar? We're talking about IF they somehow for some reason decide to do it, and if they do what they SHOULD do and what the most likely scenarios are.
>>335046354
>Why should we care about 1.5m dollars a month?
Nigga, do you even jew?
>>335046513
you are dismissing the entire legal/account/financial side of Blizzard which you don't have to deal with and also that money is better spent on developing new games anyways
>>335046561
>you will never be this mad that your meme nostalgia server for shut down
kek
>>335046513
>1.4
Remember that they would have to make profit too. For it to make sense.
>>335046697
I didn't play on nostalgia. I enjoy talking about vanilla though. Only youngfags post spongebab btw
>>335046561
>But TBC killed WoW. Aren't you paying attention?
I liked it.
>>335046354
100k people ain't a small amount, buddy, and if you don't think an extra 1.5 or so in sub money every month doesn't matter then you either hate money or are a moron.
>>335046731
It's vanilla wow.
Just how much do you think they have to earn from it to be profitable?
>>335039738
Honestly, I'd be open to practically anything pre-Cataclysm. They totally changed the game mechanics with that expansion and edited the layout of the world and how you get around.
>>335046883
I thought the zones were nice but it was the beginning of the end, over-all. They bent too sharply in favor of the plebeian masses and just continued to do so until they broke.
>>335046917
>>335046604
>>335046513
>Paying monthly to play a decade old game on a decade old server database
only MMO addicts would do this
> yfw blizzard wins either way
reminder it took 30 devs and 5 years to create nostalrius
>>335047118
MMOs are very addictive. Vanilla WoW is one of the greatest games of all time, though. People would play.
>>335046654
>Legal
Not sure how often legal issues come up and how they could be related to the product, this should be a marginal cost
>Account/Financial
The overhead/infrastructure is all there, adding all the necessary pages and database work to sign up for a different kind of WoW account could be done in less than a month with bonehead programmers.
>>335046731
That's 16.8 million a year. Servers hosting costs are negligible really. I know Blizzard is in SF area so high cost of living but you could still dish out 150k~ salaries to these developers, factor in cost of extra account management/game master load (who all learn much less) and a bit of overhead for the leeching administration and you've still got a ton leftover.
The majority of development cost with WoW comes with the shit ton of art assets, level design, music, sound, voice, etc. they push out the door for each content patch. This server obviously would have no need for it.
Blizzard lies don't forget.
>>335047216
>one greatest games of all time
Popular does not equal good
>>335047202
>Tfw I don't give a fuck about Nostalrius
>Tfw I already pre ordered legion and gonna pre order overwatch soon
>>335047202
Money = power, sadly.
>>335047417
Which is why I said "great" and not "good."
>>335041269
>talking about order halls, bull prepping, demon hunters and black breeding
>>335047208
who gives a fuck
they created an illegally hosted private server and chinks made a REAL MONEY TRADE profit from it. blizzard did literally nothing wrong shutting them down, you absolutely cannot argue this.
>>335047838
they shut themselves down, blizz didnt pull the plug ;)
>>335047838
if they decided to keep going, blizzard was going to yank the plug anyway through lawsuits the devs cannot afford.
>>335046312
>Also you know how you can't play Nintendo 64 games on an XBOX 360?
>It's the same thing
>>335046312
You have no clue what you're talking about do you
>>335043196
Blizzard actually got this right in TBC.
Warriors were the de-facto Main Tank. Best damage mitigation, long term threat building best against single targets or small groups
Druids were off-tanks and good alternative Main Tanks. Large HP pool and armour % but less dodge and limited damaged reduction skills. You will be healing a Druid tank more but the high health pool and armour meant it was predictable damage with more time to react.
Skillswise a Druid had better initial threat generation for picking up loose enemies or holding the start of a fight, as time went on the warrior would overtake it on long fights.
Paladin's were the de-facto aoe tank. If you needed someone tanking welps or any groups larger than 5 then Paladin was your man. Reflecting tanking meant the more he gets hit the better he holds threat, also more utility in oh-shit moments and some ranged abilities but struggles to build threat or retake it compared to the Druid/War certainly viable though
>>335046561
>But TBC killed WoW. Aren't you paying attention?
Everything killed WoW. WoW killed WoW
>>335048082
You were the poster that I was concerned the post would need asarcastic spoiler
>>335047118
So, a lot of people?
mmo's are designed to be addictive.
And alcoholics pay for booze to get drunk!
