After revisiting UT2003/04, the new UT seems kind of shitty. Why did they get rid of the double-jumps and remove adrenaline? UT's movement system is already a little bland compared to other arena shooters, it doesn't need to have two features that made it less bland missing from it.
If I remember correctly they wanted to find a decent inbetween UT2004 and UT the original.
it's a pre-alpha
>>335008093
>Why did they get rid of the double-jumps
But it has double jumb, sliding, wall jump/run.
>>335008828
They already tried that for UT3 and look what happened
>>335009039
a fun game
>>335009039
ut3 was a slow console shooter. this one is a pc exclusive
>>335009072
>ut3 was a slow console shooter
You clearly never played the game. It's roughly the same speed as UT99.
>>335009247
keep telling yourself that
ut3 was slow as molasses
>>335009296
Keep lying.
There's lots of new movement stuff, its just more grounded. I remember the devs saying 2k4 double jumping led to maps needing to be much larger/taller and made non-hitscan weapons less useful.
>the worst two things about 2k3/2k4
Go play UT99, kid. It's by far the best.
>>335009582
you're joking, right? that game looks like it was made in the 90's
What's the state of the game? Is the release date in sight?
>>335008093
Game is fine. It's marketing sucks though.
>>335009660
Did the name give it away?
>>335009763
>What's the state of the game?
unfinished as fuck, but the core gameplay is rock solid
>>335008093
Go play the original, kid, then you'll understand what they are trying to do. Double jumping and adrenaline were shit.
>>335009763
it's just being continually worked on. it's playable right now. i would call it 'mid-alpha'. the weapons are still being worked out, the models are mostly temporary and many of the maps have placeholder textures and models. but it's fun as fuck.
>>335009779
doesn't have that million dollar DOOM marketing budget. a steam release would also really help it IMO
>>335008093
I bought unreal tournament and I thought it was really boring.
bio rifle desperately needs a buff
>>335008093
>memers claim its well optimised
>can't get 60fps on my laptop with lowest settings
>>335010146
>nfw playing ut at 144fps on a 144hz monitor
must suck being poor
arena fps are toofast for the moba generation
>>335010146
>laptop
>>335009296
Movement was not the problem with UT3. It had nearly identical movement to UT99.
what's the reason to keep playing UT99 instead of 2K4?
i can't recall UT99 much compared to 2K4, i liked the many modes 2K4 had and it's graphically still pretty nice
i just get the feeling it might be nostalgia goggles or something
>>335010486
Which runs kf2 at 60fps with no drops and csgo at a constant 120
Regardless of what your opinion is of laptops this game is not optimised
>>335008093
>Why did they get rid of the double-jumps
I don't want to play bugs bunny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgJE-m8pm8E
Seems still like more of a pet project tech demo than anything else. Unreal used to be these massive amazing games that could bridge autistic arena shooter faggots and casual faggots together with fun campaigns, giant ass maps with vehicles, shit tons of game modes.
Now it just kinda feels like a really half baked but pretty arena shooter that gets annihilated by the likes of Quake Live, Toxik, and Reflex in terms of pure gameplay.
I doubt it'll be much more than what it is. Unreal is all about the tech.
What happened between 2k4 and now to make the bots so dumb?
>>335008093
trying to make it a little more like ut99
>>335011006
It's extremely likely that all they're going to do is get the core gameplay done and then tell people to make all the maps and modes for them. They're using UT4 to get people comfortable with UE4's new UDK so they can sell more licenses.
They are introducing a new game mode in Unreal Tournament 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSxpCuBxEdc
>>335008093
Jump height is still the same as the doublejumps but the distance is reduced. That said you can shard jump now with the shard minigun.
>>335009247
Go back and play them side by side you're full of shit. Fuck thats the reason the pro movement mod was made. Shame it couldn't fix the !GoW artstyle.
Also anyone here contemplating trying to learn UE4 to get assault made faster?
>>335011459
>pro movement mod
Link?
>>335011459
>assault
Oh god i love this mod so much.
>>335011574
Having a look for it now. Can't for the life of me remember it's name.
>>335011712
Personally not a huge fan but every man and his dog has been baying for it and because the devs are basically a skeleton team they wont be able to get it done for ages.
>>335011374
ehh why don't they just add clan arena picking spawns seems kind of lame
>>335011006
>>335011294
it feels half baked because it is half-baked...? it's an alpha. two new maps were just added. not sure what your problem is, in terms of pure gameplay it's very similar to UT99, which is one of my favourite arena shooters. plus, it's free and has an open source license, because epic is one of those weird devs that apparently still listens to their community
if you're actually comparing it to loadout quake and saying it should have campaigns, giant ass maps and vehicles then in my opinion arena shooters are not for you, i would recommend HALO or DOOM 4
Optimizations when? I can only play the texture/meshless maps. The fully finished maps drop my toaster to 20fps.
>>335011823
>a skeleton team
What?
>>335011823
Are you sure the mod you're thinking of isn't meant to make the movement more like UT2004's instead?
UT99 purists.
UT2004 didn't last because the playerbase split, then UT3 delivered the killing blow before rapidly dying as well. UT4 is pointless because it perpetuates a small crowd's strangehold of what UT is allowe to be.
>>335011930
skeleton crew there aren't many people working on UT and epic has a bunch of other projects going on simultaneously
>>335012040
If people weren't retarded it would be made as modular as possible. Have settings to make the gameplay whatever you want it to be. That's what mods are for. Make a 2k4 movement mutator no one would complain.
>>335012132
What are they even doing since unreal engine 4 ?
>>335011930
Might have been, I'm wracking my brains over it. Incidentally I just found this while looking for it. http://www.moddb.com/mods/gears-of-unreal
>>335011930
From what I was aware of the majority of Epic games is working on either the engine or shitting out Paragon, with only a small team for UT4 because they were hoping that the community would be able to fill the gap. Hence why almost everything new has been made by Gooba.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/gears-of-unreal
>>335012202
Adding more features and running support for it.
>>335008093
Could you do a few bullet points, just a 1-2-3 list of why the new UT is worse than the old one?
Because in my experience it seems better in every way, other than too long reload animations.
>>335012040
>>335012145
>>335012132
UT4's development is mostly community-driven. the source code is all on github, so if you feel like you have a better idea, go to epic's forums and tell them, or (better yet) make the changes yourself and file a pull request, or fork it and make your own version, or make a mod or whatever
>>335012202
They've turned Fortnite from a good game into a bad game.
>>335012247
Goes to show how dead and niche arena shooters are.
>>335009660
>UT99
>that game looks like it was made in the 90's
>>335012202
paragon
fortnite
gears 4 but i think they handed that off
shadow complex remaster
chair's new game whatever it's called
as well as consulting and support for all the UE games in production including indie shitters
>>335012438
Being niche ain't all bad. Keeps the faggot count lower. It does mean you have to do more to get anything out of it though. If it isn't for you then it isn't for you. Never understood the whole twitch stream numbers dick swinging and anything that isn't a million players being DEAD.
game is dead desu
im in rn, 74 players online
simply abysmal
>>335008093
>After revisiting UT2003/04
Why would you revisit the worst games of the series? If you want vehicools and crazy monkey jumps all over the place with floaty movement there are other options for you out there, UT was always about grounded gameplay, teammodes and unique weapons.
>>335009039
>he thinks UT Gears of War edition was the follow up true UT players were waiting.
It ended up dissapointing both, while new UT goes for the actual UT players and not the people that wants it to become a quake clone.
>>335012929
>I don't know what pre alpha means.
>>335013131
>i dont know what "available to literally everybody means"
>>335012929
Its not out yet. Its not even beta yet. They aren't even done with the engine, let alone the game.
>>335013263
it doesn't have a marketing budget yet
i can find a populated game at any time so i don't really have a problem
the community's pretty nice as well
>>335013263
>i don't know what "most players would rather wait to play the finished game" means.
>>335012937
>UT was always about
And yet Bombing Run, a mode that fully utilised the new mechanics and was not in the first UT was by far the best part of UT2004 and ultimately more fun than UT99.
>>335013338
>Its not out yet. Its not even beta yet. They aren't even done with the engine, let alone the game.
but that doesnt prevent people from going and downloading the game for free, it runs fine, but its beyond dead
>>335013518
>ignoring that successful games had populated betas and alphas, especially when theyre free to download at any time
>>335013728
But people aren't aware the game exists, because it isn't being marketed.
There are no reviews, no Lets Plays, no adverts, no banners, no other forms of advertising.
Most people don't know it exists, and the ones that do don't know its in a playable state.
>>335013704
>ultimately more fun than UT99.
>Look at me i'm a stupid latebaby who never played UT on it's prime when UT CTF servers with custom maps were on its prime
Your casual, gimmick gamemodes only were fun for some months before that game died for good, UT CTF is still played today in private servers, latebabies don't get to talk about UT because they don't knwow hat made it great in the first place, they would be better in halo or quake.
>>335013785
Games that weren't A: niche and B: massively hyped up by marketing.
MMO's get that way because the entire MMO community is a starving beast forever desperate to return to 2004.
>>335013785
>arena shooters
>successful games
I'm speaking with retards here, but should know since this isn't a real UT thread.
>>335013904
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=unreal+tournament+4
try again
>>335014089
That is a lot of C-list channels with 1k views. Also you ignore most of my posts and nitpick (unsuccessfully) on one argument in it. What's your point?
>>335014068
Tribes ascend wasn't successful? Wew lads.
>>335013954
i really gotta agree with this post, i liked the gimmick modes but this new game is really the core UT experience in my opinion.
>>335014068
what's your favourite weapon
>>335014213
>tribes ascend was an arena shooter
did you play the original tribes?
>>335014156
>blatantly ignoring jackfrags having hundreds of thousands of views
does it hurt being that dumb or are you too dumb to process pain?
>>335013785
A lot of players just come back and see how is the game progressing and keep checking every month or two, most of the community isn't actively playing the game yet because a lot just want to game to be fully completed, most of the maps aren't even done yet and still build in bsp base.
>>335014243
>b-but it doesn't count!
Look at his faggot. Whether you like that game or not, it is considered an arena shooter.
>>335014305
>look at me i speak for everybody! that instantly means im right!
>>335009660
holy fuck, your kind actually exist in this earth?
>>335014305
>most of the community
of what community? there is no community for the current UT
>>335014243
Shock and Flak.
>>335014330
games aren't arena shooters just because you say they are, regardless of what they're 'considered'. if you want an example of an actually-successful arena shooter, there's quake live. i'm not the guy who said arena shooters couldn't be successful although i would say that quake live had a 'hard launch' and generated a lot more buzz than than this game.
>>335014470
i always rush for the flak cannon and then fuck up and die. also, the bio launcher is neat and i hope they just remove the bio rifle entirely and replace it with the launcher
>>335014434
>there is no community for the current UT
Who you think is making most of the collaborations as content servers and maps?
>>335012937
This nigga knows what's up. UT isn't Halo. It doesn't need giant, barren maps with third-person vehicles.
>>335014698
About as many people that play them.
>>335014330
>it is considered an arena shooter.
Not an expert in tribes, but aren't those class based shooters?
>>335013954
Being an elitist isn't an argument. What kind of an asshat has to convince himself that anyone who might prefer something beside what he likes the most must be a 'casual latebaby' who doesn't know any better. That's actual childlike mentality. Do you really think people who played CTF back in the day cannot come to like something else more? Seriously? Are you retarded?
>>335014434
>no community
more community than hitting the matchmaking button and playing a round with people you will never interact with again
>>335014940
UT's gimmick modes are fun but they don't offer the depth or longevity of a normal deathmatch. do you have an actual argument against that or are you just going to go on with the namecalling
>>335010720
>this game is not optimised
It is, the creator of the engine worked on this game, but what did you expect, it's a next gen engine.
It's just that you have the shittiest of toasters.
>>335015112
i have a gtx770 (a pretty midrange card by today's standards, goes for about ~£150) and i can max this game out, everything on epic, 1080p, and get way above 60fps
>>335015080
The guy I replied to specifically referred to another, non-DM team mode and didn't specify what about it was good and instead resorted to namecalling to assert his superiority. Get off your high horse.
>>335015213
Yeah but just you wait until we get something like Bioshock on UE4, like we got on UE3, it wont be as optimized as UT and require more.
Ut devs know their engine on their fingertip, other devs don't.
>>335014940
>Do you really think people who played CTF back in the day cannot come to like something else more?
There are better games out there for people who is looking for gimmick gamemodes or vehicles and crazy monkey jumps, while UT99 was the best on it's class for CTF, anyone who played it back then knows this, UT2K4 simply failed on keeping up the CTF scene for a lot of reasons including the core changes in the movement and map designs.
>>335015329
Well to be fair, TDM/DM was kinda fucked up too as well, UT2K4 relied too much on histcan weapons like another game im sure i dont need to name.
>>335015367
bioshock was UE2.5 actually. in terms of optimisation UE4 is looking much, much better than other modern offerings, it feels like a lot of devs these days just expect people to have a GTX980 if they want to max out their games (RoTR, etc), real shitshow in my opinion
>>335015329
i've always seen UT being better with CTF and other modes besides the vehicle meme modes
deathmatch is Quake territory
I don't like the item spawn timers. It just removes another skill aspect of keeping track of it mentally.
>>335015710
old players don't like it but lets be real, a new player has no fucking idea about how items spawn and how often and how do they learn about these things (if they want to learn at all) besides going to some wiki page
>>335015667
I only play CTF in UT
Come at me faglords
80% of people download the game, then one of 2 things happen:
1) they are playing on some mac/netbook shit and quit
2) get rekt by easy bots and never return
>>335015602
>it feels like a lot of devs these days just expect people to have a GTX980
Because it is.
Hardware is getting more and more powerful, giving devs excuse for not optimizing their games.
Just like when you have more than enough room to store thing, you store things without maximizing free space left.
Not sure if it's a good analogy but I tried.
There are secret messages on the ready screenMash mouse = Color your readyMash throw weapon = Slides your readyType /suicide on the console = Says "COME ON"Mash taunt = Says "get rekt"
>>335016671
I knew for the "rainbow ready" but not the other
noice.
>>335009065
UT3 had the problem of being an incredibly niche title even on release due to the fact Epic had to compete with fucking TF2 and CoD4 of all things, as both had changed the landscape when it came to what's new/hot in the world of PC MP shooters, and despite what we've experienced now, both were a radical change as far as MP went back in 2007, and everyone rushed to them, either to play them, or to capture their flame as a dev
As such, a big chunk of the games you'd find were either ghost towns, or retard-strength skill CPMA fags that came along for the ride to ensure you'd never have a normal environment to learn the MP in. Finding a normal match that attracted people coming from 2k4 was uncommon, but still fun, even if it came out at the worst possible time
>AWW SMACK
>EFF YEAH
