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Are you ready for legacy servers?
nope
You think I am, but I'm not.
Nope.
Sometimes I think I am, but the World of Warcraft Experience™ is just is not the same without expansion packs.
>>334976723
It's funny because the real blizzard shills aren't much less obvious than your post
>several superior MMO's on the market
>no one plays because no one plays it
Man both Secret World and Wildstar are so good... player base is too small though.
I was mostly playing wow because of the story, during Cataclysm Blizzard started fucking up. Going the easiest and cheesiest direction with the story. Now I just don't care anymore.
>>334976801
I have no idea what you are talking about, fellow enthusiast of the World of Warcraft Experience™
Blizzard does not hire people for "shilling" its world leading products, they prefer to let the hours of unmatched quality play time speak for itself.
>>334976979
Wildstar had its shot it was garbage.
>>334976979
maybe it because they are not good
>>334975960
>You think you are, but you aren't.
at least get the memes right anon
>>334975810
The majority don't want that.
>>334975810
>mfw it'll still never happen even after 500K sigs.
>>334977036
>>334977045
Naw, they're pretty decent.
>Inb4 they fuck it up like with tibia classic servers
>>334975810
I think I might sign, but I won't.
>>334977070
You don't think it be like it is, but it do.
>>334975810
>paying for legacy
>>334977139
[citation needed]
>>334975810
>Nostcucks still can't move on
>>334977360
I just don't get it they make fun of people who play retail when they want to pay to play.
>>334977360
>Retailcucks can't get over their dying game
>>334977360
Perhaps they should all delve into the world of Azeroth in Legion™ for the ultimate World of Warcraft Experience™. For the Alliance/Horde!
>petition
You realize this has absolutely no effect on anything right?
You agreed when you checked the box of the EULA that you would not use their assets to do anything other than play on their official servers, making a whiny petition on change.org will not get you out of a legally binding contract.
>>334977315
200k is the majority of over 8 million.
>>334975810
Blizzard was in their rights to shut down the server, it was still a dick move though.
They're definitely not going to make a legacy server. Sure 300k people may want it, but they won't risk drawing people away from their main servers. Especially to a mechanically and visually inferior version of the game.
>>334977360
>>334977485
ANNDDD HERE COME THE PAJEETS
Not even close to 500 posts yet lads, it's gonna be a bumpy shill ride
>>334977485
>You realize this has absolutely no effect on anything right?
>>334977612
>posting literally nothing
we did it reddit xd
>>334977485
I agree that the petition is pointless. However the EULA isn't a binding legal agreement, all it does is give Blizzard the right to ban your account on their servers. We could have a whole stretched out discussion about consumer rights, and how people have the right to the product they purchased, regardless of the "nature" of MMO's and expansions. But it would be time consuming and would go nowhere.
>>334976979
>wildstar
>good
>>334977612
Is that supposed to be a pic related post? He's doing us no favors at all and potentially damaging any reputable arguments the community as for private servers.
>more people want legacy servers than their new expansion
>more people want THE SAME GAME than the NEW VERSION OF THE GAME
oh fuck this is classic
if blizz shits out legacy servers it's basically an open admission that their game is SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>334977813
>more people want legacy servers than their new expansion
I don't think that's correct but we should ask blizzard to post the number of legion preorders.
>>334977612
>random dude who was some team leader for the development of vanilla
>doesn't even work for blizzard anymore
>going to call morhaim
That's precious
>>334977891
>we should ask blizzard to post the number of legion preorders.
You think you want that, but you don't.
>>334977813
They have 5 above average games, then there's WoW which is pretty much launch SWTOR tier garbage right now. They put all the shitty designers in charge of that game and it's gone to shit.
>>334977951
I love this meme. Better than Todd posting
>>334977925
Just like each penny that gets put into your account every time you make a shill post, pajeet
https://youtu.be/hhTTY4-5E1s?t=2235
>>334977783
when they voted him out firefall completely died. That was a great game killed by the new head. they only put out one major update since he got the boot. and it hasnt been updated once after that.
>>334978028
Thanks bro, first time I've been accused of being a shill on /v/, you popped my cherry.
>>334978028
>>334976995
>>334977579
>>334976723
Hello tom cruise
Even if Blizzard decides to launch Legacy servers, do you think it'll be anytime soon? They have to get Legion out first, and continue to support itinb4 lol Blizz supporting xpacs, so you are looking at another year before Blizzard will put any focus on Legacy servers. By the time they decide to even do it, people won't fucking care. And if Blizzard DOES ever do it, they won't be what people expect, and people will still be pissed.
>>334975810
>blizzard literally comes here to shitpost about its shitty nostralius server which it pretends to be totally not a product of blizzard
>nobody gives a shit about nostralius so blizzard shuts it down and blames the shutdown on blizzard rather than general disinterest
i'll admit this is mildly amusing, but please seek help
nobody believes your shit
and your games were never popular, post-diablo2
>>334978170
Not cruise poster but I wish he was here for this
>>334978185
People have been waiting a long time. They can wait longer. They just want legacy servers.
>it's a nostcuck episode again
>>334976979
>Man both Secret World and Wildstar are so good
I'm ready to play on some dedicated servers. I'd gladly pay monthly. It's just never worth it playing private servers knowing they'll get shut down one day.
>>334978185
This is what most people don't understand they think blizz is going to drop legion because of a petition with 200k signatures.
>>334978170
>He's in these threads enough to recognize the tom cruise poster
Basically admission of guilt at this point
>>334977813
>more people want legacy servers than their new expansion
>more people want THE SAME GAME than the NEW VERSION OF THE GAME
That is completely untrue. Half the faggots who signed this petition wouldn't even play the Legacy servers. They are just doing it because anti-Blizzard is 2 kewl right now. I would like Legacy servers too, but let's not pretend they are nearly as desirable as the internet is making them out to be right now just because we hate Blizzard.
>>334978326
to be fair he post the same stuff over and over.
>>334978326
and so are you. Nice hypocrisy, nostcuck
i signed even though i secretly don't want them to do it so i don't have to sink another 50+ days /played in to vanilla and tbc
>>334978310
People don't want them to drop Legion. They want them to launch Legacy servers paralell like Runescape.
>>334978363
>100k people signed a petition for the "cool factor"
Ever think it's just because retail WoW is fucking shit and people want Vanilla? Or does Blizzard not let you think of yourselves as part of the contract?
>>334978363
This. Did everyone forget already that there is no duplicate prevention and that sodapoppin got thousands of people who don't play and have never played WoW? The petition literally has no legitimacy. It's honestly sad that Mark Kern will print 5000 pages (yeah what a waste) of internet petitions
>>334978403
Except I'm not in here defending Blizzard - also you didn't deny it so hello shill :^)
>>334978069
>>334977783
Firefall had an amazing idea under Kern, and then once he left, they got some work done for a lot of things... But they killed the best parts of the game. Now it's a piss, level bound MMO without nearly as much freedom in terms of movement, combat, pvp, or crafting.
>>334978615
>also you didn't deny it so hello shill
every time, are you mentally stunted or just underage? This is literally what elementary school kids do
>>334978725
>ignored the :^)
trolled hard
>>334978725
>are you mentally stunted or just underage?
Which one should I put on my resume to increase my likelihood of getting a job like yours?
>>334975810
Morhaime is going to print out the email. Fold it up nicely. Then use it as toilet paper. And I will laugh.
Dumb nostalgiafags don't realise they are a large part of the reason Draenor sucked so hard and are the entire reason Wildstar flopped.
I am so ready for Legacy servers. I can't wait to ignore them.
i just don't understand why blizzard wont give us the servers we want.
there's literally hundreds of thousands of players who quit because we think retail wow is trash and will never ever sub to it again under any circumstances
yet if there were a decent tbc server people would flock to it, hell even people who never played vanilla/tbc who have to witness this commotion will try out the golden days of wow
>Its a Pirate fags vs Pay fags thread in disguise episode.
>>334978838
>WoD sucked
>It's Vanilla fans fault!
Fucking kekking, this one has gone rogue!
>>334978838
>haha look at those dumb fucks wanting to give us money while we are bleeding subs
>lets buy candy crush for 6 billion dollars
>>334978783
You're really pathetic, you know that? Everyone else can see how much of a fool you are. You're not smart or le epik troll xd if you think so. Anyway, it's pretty sad that you make shitposting threads and posts on /v/ shitting on blizzard, then begging for the chance to suck their dick for legacy servers
absolutely pathetic. Anyway enjoy your circlejerk with your buddy here
>>334978697
what do you mean they got work done they released the planned area dlc basically removed pvp and havent put out a single update. did I miss something? the test server has only done a few things but they never put it on the public.
>>334978957
More like one guy spamming shill thread
>>334978986
>this amount of mad
>>334978170
>He's so ridden with PTSD that he literally sees me everywhere he goes, even when I'm not even There yet
LMAO HOW BTFO DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO GET TO THE POINT YOU'RE AT
>>334978363
Don't just pick and choose certain things to reply to in my comment. I said I would like Legacy servers too. I was never arguing FOR retail WoW, or against Legacy, I'm just stating obvious things /v/ loves to overlook.
1. The internet is upset at Blizzard because of Nostalrius. It's fair to assume many signatures are simply out of spite.
2. It will take time to even make Legacy servers available. Blizzard takes their sweet ass time on everything. They aren't just going to ignore Legion, or the other two expansions they are working on, to rush out Legacy servers for a vocal minority.
3. This is an extremely successful company that's been in the business for a long time. They've discussed the possibility of Legacy servers before private servers gained popularity. People seem to think Blizzard is just giving up on potential money. Yeah fucking right, they know the pros and cons of their actions and exactly what they are and are not losing.
4. If Legacy servers come to fruition it will still not be enough to make the community happy. People will argue about imbalances, when patches should come out, how to expand on the game, etc. It will double the amount of negative feedback and workload they already have.
>>334979131
HE'S HERE!
>>334979083
>ahaha i'm so funny for pretending to be retarded
fuck off retard
>>334979148
Fuck, I tagged myself when I meant to tag >>334978506
>>334975810
>internet petitions
>ever doing anything
>Hey G would you make me a legacy server
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS_gBVmaqYY
>>334979217
Calm down Pajeet it's just a bit of banter
>>334978506
I'm pretty sure if you faggots stopped constantly remaking Nostalrius threads people would stop posting pro-Blizzard shit.
>>334979202
What do you mean? He's been here the whole time, he just samefags constantly pretending to be different persons
>>334977139
literally doesn't matter what the majority wants
papa blizzard is ALWAYS right
>>334979310
>What do you mean? He's been here the whole time
I'll take his word over yours because I know that he isn't getting paid
fuck off neo-Vanilla retards
Nostalrius was as farther from its original spirit as possible
I REALLY want to see their reply
>fatfuck is printing 5000 pages
That's just retarded
>>334976979
If anything was actually "superior" to WoW then it would of matched or broken WoW's subs wom wrath.
nothing has come close. If the shit you liked was actually good then it would of sold more. Simple as that.
>>334976979
I'd play Tera, had their continued class releases not forced me to look like a loli fag.
And like 5% of the people that actually signed this useless petition would actually pay to play a Vanilla server. The people that would play would play for a few months until the nostalgia wore off and they quit.
Not fucking economical.
>>334979439
class restrictions are so fucking stupid
>>334979447
but vanilla bro come on it's the greatest thing ever
>Their "spokesperson" literally looks like a dad who wants his son to think he's cool
>The picture of him they used for that interview has him in one of the poses that "Hell yeah, motherfucker" kid did
>>334979392
The only one who says anything about who's getting paid or not is you, nobody else, i.e. your word is even more worthless. Keep being the epik thread trawl though
Why the fuck does it keep increasing the signatures required ?
It was at 250 000 this morning and now its 300 000
>>334977445
>"dying" game is still producing new content
>tie in movie in a couple months
>Just released new lore book for illidan that's sold like crazy
>"dying" game
>>334979447
There are far more people that want and would play legacy servers than would go through the trouble of begging for them.
That aside, Blizzard needs to either address this issue or create legacy servers. This situation is a PR nightmare for them and will ultimately cost them both subs and expansion sales without doing something about it.
>>334979439
>being on 4chan
>hating loli
pick one, this site was quite LITERALLY created because people couldnt post loli on SA's ADTRW board. if you don't like loli, you do not belong here, end of story.
>>334979606
>One mention of the cruise poster and he goes critical
>>334975810
>tfw what made vanilla servers great was the community and culture of online gamers at the time and we'll never get it back.
>>334977813
Two scenarios with private servers.
>blizz sees what people like on them, looks at their own new expansion and tailors it to really get it right. Legacy servers serve as a reflection of what they are doing.
>Blizzard sees legacy makes money over new content, stops pumping out new expansions for good.
>>334979681
>Blizzard needs to either address this issue
They have, every year since before cataclysm and this was last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhTTY4-5E1s&feature=youtu.be&t=37m16s
learn to accept "no". They don't have to do shit, their stance is the same as always
>>334976979
Honestly, MMOs are probably on their way out as a genre. No one seems to be able to make one that beats WoW, even when they've been continually setting the bar lower and lower every expansion. The real thing that killed WoW was the movement of young gamers from MMOs to MOBAs and the fact that most of the neckbeards who grew up on WoW have a life now and can't play it anymore. Of course, WoW sucking cock also helps a lot.
>>334979148
>double the workload they already have
>>334979802
There is another scenario
>blizzard shut it down for good
>>334978363
>anti-Blizzard is 2 kewl right now
>WoW is in the shitter
>Overcuck is gonna be a flop
>Hearthstone is p2w
So kewl :^)
>>334979807
>learn to accept "no".
>They don't have to do shit
Can't we just do the same thing as Blizzard is doing and not listen?
>>334979447
This is actually true. Most people probably only played Nost because it was free. Today's generation of gamers would get turned off over having to put actual effort into the game to get anything and the older players have gone on with their lives by now.
>>334979807
That and this are two separate issues.
Before they could just say "no" to any direct questions and be fine. Now they have directly attacked a huge part of their fanbase by shutting down this server and no one is talking about World of Warcraft on social media except about legacy servers and Nostalrius.
Their forum moderators have been working around the clock to delete threads related to legacy servers and Nostalrius on the official forums.
>>334977612
Dont companies frown upon stuff like this? Open letter and a vid? It honestly seems like pressure, is this nigga going to lose his job over this? Lol
>>334979908
Yeah that could work, if only you had something to bargain with. Blizzard makes the product, not you
>>334979307
This. It's s fucking spiral of stupidity. One idiot posts bait and then a massive amount of idiots jump on the bandwagon on both sides. Just to troll each other.
>>334979447
This. This all fucking day. Why is /v/ just ignoring it? I would enjoy Legacy too, as someone who has played WoW since 2005. It would be awesome to relive some old moments. But I'm not naive, I know the demand isn't as high as the internet or this waste of paper petition is making it out to be. And what happens if we do get Legacy servers? Do the servers go through updates like they did in the past, and we go through BC/Wrath/Cata etc? Does it stay Vanilla forever? Are there balance adjustments to fix the things that were wrong in Vanilla? Do they add anything extra in the game, or keep it as pure as possible?
So much shit that people will complain about. Even the smallest, most insignificant shit will create uproar. "So it's cool we get Legacy servers Blizz, but I can't use all the mounts I've been collecting over the years? I spent money on these mounts and now I can't even use them." If you don't think people won't make arguments like that, you're kidding yourself. The whining and crying about WoW will double because people will have two different versions of the game to bitch about. The WoW community has been fucking cancer since Wrath.
>>334979942
>Most people probably only played Nost because it was free.
You mean with all the GREAT CHOICES of other private servers that aren't vanilla? Jimminy jee willickers!
Reminder that an inherent problem with legacy servers is that there's no unanimously agreed upon cut-off point. If they did legacy servers right now, assuming they were a thing by the time Legion is out, there's be 7 different versions of WoW that they'd have to maintain, all with the appropriate code on the appropriate hardware, and they can't just have a bunch of french faggots run it because it's illegal to have an unpaid workforce in California, volunteer or not.
It's not happening.
>>334979817
MMO's no longer have to "kill WoW". There are plenty of profitable ones available now.
The corporate cunts are finally accepting that MMOs aren't a get rich quick scheme.
>>334979986
>Yeah that could work, if only you had something to bargain with.
You mean this stuff?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money
>>334979945
No, it's still the same. and they delete and lock threads on the official forum if the threads are repeats of already answered topics, in other words people who don't use the search function or refuse to accept what blue posts have to say.
I just want to remind you all of Blizzard's idea of giving fans what they want:
- Burning Crusade 2: Casual Edition
- Illidan is a good goy
- Everyone gets an Ashbringer
- Garrisons are back baby!
- Even less buttons, now you can play with a controller
>>334980271
>now you can play with a controller
PLEASE TELL ME IT AIN'T SO
It's awful where it's at the point where I actually can't tell anymore
I just want to remind you all what nostalgiafags caused
-Warlords of Draenor
>>334980128
Hey, thanks for linking me this, let me link you something else
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_segmentation
Blizz is not beholden to you, learn to accept it
>>334979794
Nost had it back. I had more community interaction in the 3 weeks I got to play it then the whole time I played MoP and WoD.
>>334980338
You can in WoD if you play an Arms Warrior. Literally a four-button rotation.
>>334980391
You'd have to be a complete moron to think Nost was accurate to being in 2004-2006
Vanilla WoW didn't have only 2 server choices.
>>334980354
Good marketing strategy, I can't wait for it to kick in and see how good WoW can really be!
I'm ready for the massive backlash when Blizzard explains why they can't/won't do legacy servers. If they even say anything at all.
But honestly, I liked the vanilla community but the actual game was fucktarded. All I can think about are the specs that weren't at all viable and the gold sinks with regents and all that stupid shit. I don't want to farm soul shards again, I really don't.
>>334980354
If sub numbers keep plummeting the way they are they soon won't even have a "market".
>>334980578
You won't.
>>334979698
I'm LITERALLY dead. I LITERALLY can't even.xB
>>334980578
Yeah, it is indeed a shame for them that they can't get you as a customer. Oh well, you can always play something else
>>334980345
Yes, nostalgia fags asked for garrisons, because everyone loved those in vanilla.
>>334980065
Start with Vanilla as it was the natural starting point of WoW, progress though the content in the same cadence as the original game, each expansion launches at their appropriate time in the cycle, every expansion will become available eventually unless later expansions like Cata/MoP/WoD turn out to be unpopular.
>>334980729
'tis a shame indeed, me and millions of others.
>>334980829
then that's not fair to the people who did enjoy those expansions
I know some dumb faggot is going to greentext that and I don't give a shit, as a business you do NOT exclude people because what they liked wasn't popular.
>>334980737
Man, I can't believe what a failure Garrisons were. I went from, "This is pretty cool. I like new things, this is neat and different." to "This is exhausting and fucking terrible I am bored." In a month. I really didn't like where professions were in MoP and thought any change would be great, but it got 10x worse.
>>334977612
>Print 5000 pages
Enjoy wasting all that money
>>334980509
Lol as compared to now where you don't even have a server and just idle in your Garrison while queued in LFR?
>>334980578
HAHA LMAO, GUYS. HOW CAN THOSE STUPID KEKS ON RETAIL PLAY THE SAME RAID FOR OVER A YEAR?
If only I could get MY servers, where we'll be stuck at the same patch and with the same raids forever...
>>334980937
If it's not financially viable and worth Blizzard's time, sucks for those people. People want legacy servers to get away from piles of shit like Cata+
>dumb faggot that'll do anything to be relevant again latches on to something he used to be a part of
>gets interviewed and trashes the game the way it is now
>admits to not having played the game for 6 years
>>334977612
>sodacucking
>nostfags
Why do they go hand in hand? Because they're both faggots.
I wonder if the shills know they would be better off not attempting to reply to every one ITT and instead just not reply and bump the threads?
>>334981545
dumb frogposter
I wonder if the nostalgiafags know they would be better off moving on with their lives?
>>334981545
How would they make 5 cents per post?
>>334981660
Forgot about that, thanks
NOSKEKS LITERALLY ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>334981283
he's fucking based but you wouldnt know that because you suck blizzards cock for a living.
>>334979629
>stock filename
hello marketer
>>334976979
Don't know about Wildstar, but Secret world was a hack of a MMO.
Most of the gameplay was solo oriented, which is the problem with MMOs.
Linear Story Solo Progression does not make a good MMO.
Good MMOs are based around large open worlds and exploring, with content that is best done in a group, and a chore to do solo, the problem with these MMOs is grouping up is usually a hindrance unless its forced.
Secret world was trying too hard to be a single player game with all the baggage buggy MMO grinds have tacked on, it would have been more polished if they just made it co-op rather then an MMO.
And Wildstar was a generic modern WOW clone, which focuses around end game content but the leveling process is a chore more then anything.
And this is the problem people don't know how to make good MMOs these days, they usually sit back and either copy WOW's metagame thinking "Well this has to work, right?" or make shoddy RPGs with MMO tacked on and expect people to sub for it.
MMOs are about worlds that players play in, together or against one another, grinding with achievable goals like a new item or ability that lets you do new things, not an infinitely scaling generic set of stats, and to have enough depth that players can experiment with for months if not years and find new ways to play the game, the setting can vary, the gameplay type can be radically different between them, but the core of an MMO is playing with or against many other people in a persistent online world, and many new MMOs fail to even have a fraction of that in the experience outside of queue based minigames that belong in arena games.
>>334981165
A progression server moves forward
Imagine if the next raid unlocked 3 months after the current one had been beaten, up until it's caught up to live. And then they start a new server.
Honest question to those who did play Vanilla/BC. Would you really invest time in playing Legacy? Sure, running Shadowfang Keep and Zul'Farrak would be fun again. You would think, "Oh man this is cool, it's challenging and we actually have to try and can't just push through shit with heirloom gear!" But how long before that runs off and it becomes, "This isn't that fun anymore. I've already done this 100 times in the past." There is no mystery to it, you already know the layouts and the fights, and that was part of why it was fun.
Nostalgia only works in short bursts to remind you of a fun experience or moment you once had. It doesn't work well in long doses. I don't know how many times I've restarted FFVII or Chrono Trigger or Super Mario World with the thought I was going to playthrough the entire game and enjoy old times and I end up quitting after a few hours because it gave me what I needed. I would much rather see Blizzard find a way to revive Azeroth and old dungeons and make them relevant to current WoW than I would having them create Legacy servers so I can replay content I completed 11 years ago. I want Blizzard to stop pumping out new content and letting all their old stuff just become irrelevant. There's a beautiful world out there to enjoy with little reason to do it. Achievement hunting and archeology isn't enough. Give me real incentive to revisit the Wetlands again. You know, world events and shit. Form a group of 10 players and fight some boss in the Wetlands for this week that drops something relevant to end game. Why can't they just do shit like this? It's not that hard.
>>334981896
>so terrible at his job he gets fired from being a CEO
he wasn't responsible for shit in Vanilla
>>334981637
I met my best friends in WoW. I played Vanilla, TBC and WOLTK with my GF.
I miss those days. It was simpler. Why won't you let me go back?
>>334982009
>Would you really invest time in playing Legacy?
Not really because the game wasn't that good back then and you can recreate the sense of community wow had back then and I wonder how long the raids are going to last with the experienced raiders we have today.
>>334982149
Because time machines can only go back to the point in time when they were invented.
>>334981896
He's not, don't be fooled by the "team lead" title he had, the guy can't make a game if his life depended on it and got cucked by his own employees. No bigger played like Kungen even knew he existed until a few days ago
The guy is trash and desperate to attach his name to any big mess like this, he did it with gamergate too
>>334982149
because your life sucks and you just want to run backwards instead of manning up.
>>334981637
I don't understand the problem you have with people who want to play video games.
>>334982009
>Nostalgia only works
It's not nostalgia. That's what you fail to understand.
>>334982009
I would seriously invest time into legacy. It's more than just "run this dungeon" and "run that dungeon" and then getting bored of them. It's cheesy to say, but it was more than a game - it was a community. You could play with your friends, see all the regulars, and even make friends (there's people I still talk to to this day that I met on Vanilla) there was a sense of community in Vanilla because of the mechanics and design in place at the time. Current retail WoW has the population, but no community. It feels like a single player game with other people around you, and party members for dungeons might as well be AI/bots that never talk.
>>334982252
No big player*
>>334982252
>No bigger played like Kungen even knew he existed until a few days ago
Who gives a fuck about that fag? I don't know whos more retarded you or the one you're replying.
I signed just because I want to see that bitch, Tradechat, off herself.
She was acting all high and mighty about Blizzard shutting them down.
>>334982205
With Naxx it would still take a few weeks if not months to clear due to the gear requirements.
Also OG 4 Horsement
>>334982217
Good taste in time machines.
>tfw this petition thing was just some screamer and an blizz's ex employee attention whoring
>tfw all of us true vanilla lovers got played
>again
>>334982009
Do you think people just forced themselves to play on Nost? People were in the process of opening the AQ gates, were they just there for laughs?
>>334982338
It's an example to show NOBODY FUCKING CARES. Kungen and sodapoppin among others are big proponents of the petition and yet they didn't even know who he was.
Btw, mike morhaime doesn't even follow him on twitter. The signs are everywhere, he's a cipher
Mark "$3 million dollar bus" Kern
>>334981896
Even if he agrees with your opinion, he admits that he doesn't know what he is talking about.
There is no difference between him and Anita except that you like is opinions.
>>334982267
I think about it a lot, actually. Things I could've done differently that would've kept me out of the place I'm in now.
WoW is definitely a contributing factor
>blizzard has 0 competent coders
>old code is gone forever
>blizzard takes 5 years to make a game
>even the absolute laziest expansions they shit out take three times longer to make than they would like
Not really sure how this would work.
>wanting retail-like cash shop, monthly fees and all the casual revamps
>>334982405
When blizzard say no he's probably going to announce his new game for all the loyal people who signed the petition.
>>334982481
Well anon when you're right, you're right.
>>334975810
I think i want to sign it, but i dont
>>334982562
thank you for this
>>334982304
Alright, so you'd be prepared to go years (the game will NEVER be updated past the last patch) without any new content?
When does that stop being fun? Fast, since people on retail can't stand the 1 year wait cycles between expansions.
And if it's something like this guy said
>>334982000
Does that mean the Vanilla experience will only last until TBC? You're just threading the past cycles, but eventually you're either going to start all over again, or stop.
It seems flawed.
>>334982503
Mark "Responsible for Starcraft, Warcraft, Diablo, and World of Warcraft" Kern
>>334982665
nostcucks think i want to sign it, but i dont
>>334982665
Loving this meme
>NOTHING will happen.
>"E-celebs" getting lots of attention and views ($$$)
>>334979859
>facebook integration
>major patch
Please.
>If it weren't for content droughts I couldn't play actual games in the period between the end of one expansion and beginning of another
it's better this way anyway
>>334982707
>responsible
Kaplan had WAY more to do with WoW's success than that turd
>>334982705
Probably would cut it off and push the rest button after WOLTK, allowing you to transfer off characters after your stats/achievements/etc are rolled into your overarching battle.net account
>>334982009
Despite the content being repetitive, it would still be the best MMO experience on the market.
Not saying its a -good- solution, but modern MMOs are really bad, like really really bad, unless you can stomach playing EVE or OSRS, vanilla WOW without any of the usual bullshit that private servers have like pay 2 win and boosted XP was for the time it existed the best MMO to play.
>>334982720
>People that don't even play the game are making money off the actual players.
lel dumb fucks
>>334979629
it's either bait or a blatant shill
>>334982707
>I literally believe Mark Kern is responsible for designing, writing, programming, rendering and marketing every single aspect of any game he's been involved in.
>>334982309
I agree with you. The community aspect is really suffering right now, and that's shitty for an MMO. I remember all the great interactions I had in Vanilla/BC and the fun world PVP that just doesn't happen anymore. Stranglethorn was a fucking blood bath, it was great. But they could create a sense of community again if they tried without the need for Legacy servers. Unfortunately that might never happen.
>>334982438
I know there's people genuinely interested, but I think the majority are people who actually never experienced Vanilla. It's not old timers screaming for Legacy servers as much as it's Wrath babies and Cata kids. I'm 30 years old, I've been playing this shit for a long time. I would probably dick around on a Legacy server in my spare time for fun, but I would much rather see them try to fix the current game and find new ways to re-explore old content. I'm not saying that will never happen, that's just my hope and what I would prefer.
>>334983029
>implying that's what I meant and not that he had a significant hand in the development of those games as team lead
top strawman shillboy
>>334975810
>asking for official servers instead permission to run their own legacy servers
>>334982707
Mark Kern was a producer, not a designer. Don't confuse "Team Lead" with Creative Director or Lead Designer. From Burning Crusade onward they removed the position entirely.
Rob Pardo made WoW good in the first place. Mark Kern is a fucking hack who will only ever be known for Firefail.
>NOSTALRIUS HAD OVER ONE TRILLION ACTIVE ACCOUNTS! REMEMBER THE GAZILLION GOYS!
>only 200k sigs for their faggy petition
el em ay oh pham
@334983104
you shan't be harvesting any more (you)s from me
>>334977303
How do you make a gif like this?
>>334983104
>team leads had "significant hands" in designing the content
Well at least now I know Mark Kern posts here. Not like he has much else to do besides pretend he's relevant.
>>334975810
The entitled gamers strike once again.
WoW is literally the cancer that killed the Warcraft franchise, you're all fucking retards.
>>334983165
they always said 800k accounts, that doesn't mean active players. 200k signatures is pretty good for that.
>Please watch my stream / youtube channel, we want legacy realms back!
>Hey guys, I used to work for Blizzard, I'll help you get the petition to Blizz! Also my new game is coming out soon!
>>334983281
I agree, warcraft should have stayed an RTS or evolved into something else. Yet I can't stop playing because I love warcraft so much
>>334983281
I don't get it. We want to pay money for it.
>>334983157
>From Burning Crusade onward they removed the position entirely.
And from Burning Crusade onward the game has seen a significant decline in quality. Interesting.
Try to smear the man's reputation as much as you want, what's important here is that someone who was team lead during the development of the game said legacy servers would not only be cheap but easy to implement as well. Someone who was around for the construction of the game from the ground up and its eventual launch without a doubt knows the in and outs and the logistics of a project like legacy servers.
Hate it all you want shillcuck, you've been absolutely BTFO by the Kern.
>>334983281
WoW killed MMOs in general
>If you copy old WoW you get Worldstar or whatever it's called
>If you copy current WoW you go F2P within a year because you're not Blizzard
>>334983496
I don't.
I want my free server reeeeeeeee
>>334983348
Pretty much. It's gamergate all over again, just people leeching off the drama to get fame or money. Mark kern especially
>>334983398
When I got WOW for the first time i always though it was supposed to be like an RTS where players were the units.
Would have been cool if players built cities and towns and shit, I was always waiting for contested zones to become proper war zones, sadly that never happened and they just created BGs which are cancer.
>>334983508
http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/20/rumor-mark-kern-removed-as-ceo-of-red-5-studios/
>>334983508
>And from Burning Crusade onward the game has seen a significant decline in quality. Interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
>>334983563
Someone post the Wildstar attunements pic
>>334983563
This is such a fallacy, any mmo would be happy with 250k subs or players or whatever. It doesn't need to be a large whale like blizz' WoW
>>334983563
Wildstar fails because it focuses entirely on WOW's end game from vanilla.
What made vanilla WOW was the initial experience and how even at the end game you still had quests to do and things to do with other people.
MMO's focus too much on the end game and not on the core epxerience as a whole.
Its why I was hype for EQN, there was no levels, just classes and gear with near infinate ways to customize your classes, with multiclassing, keyword based item mechanics letting you turn your warrior into a tank empowered by nature.
>>334983508
MoP and Wrath > Vanilla and TBC
Face it, faggot. Vanilla just sucks donkey dick. No one will play the legacy servers after the first 60 days.
>>334983508
>nostcuck so fucking desperate he latches onto mark kern
lmaooo. You're literally no better than SJWs, where they latch onto anita you latch onto some attentionwhoring faggot just because he agrees with your opinions
>>334983773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UO0-pE9T4
>>334983654
>>334978069
>>334978697
retard
>>334983656
that wasn't the important part of my post. respond to the other portion.
>>334983563
An issue current MMOs face right now is most of them severely lack the polish that defines WoW in it's current state. Vanilla WoW was not polished, but there was already a fanbase from Warcraft and it came out at the perfect time, so players kept on and the game kept updating. Most MMOs come out now and require time and updates before they start feeling good, and by then people have already left. Everyone is so used to how tight and good WoW feels nobody wants to waste their time on something that doesn't feel like that from the get go.
FFXIV is the only other current MMO I have played that feels as polished as WoW, but it bores the fuck out of me.
>>334983853
>MoP and Wrath > Vanilla and TBC
>>334983868
fantastic argument
looks like I win
>>334983887
>Calling 3 people retards
good argument
>>334983853
>MoP and Wrath > Vanilla and TBC
oh am i laffin
>>334983973
Oh it was tom cruise all along. Please tell me again how you aren't samefagging ITT
>>334975810
Nope. Literally Goobergate 2.0. Go away Nostfag.
>>334984047
>shill getting BTFO by the cruise poster
Reminder that people said Rift was the wowkiller during Wotlk
you guys never learn
>>334984063
How does that corporate cock taste, Blizzdrone?
>>334983930
>Modern WOW is polished
The art design of blizzard games are always top notch, but WOW's gameplay is utter garbage now.
And im not talking class/boss mechanics, because if you're zerging through 99% of the game with little challenge or effort, then i'd say the core gameplay is fucked. And you have to grind all to mythic end game to actually have anything that resembles a challenge or reward, and the rewards are less significant then blues from vanilla dungeons.
>>334984171
better than the 10 year old cock
>>334984010
I'm linking you to where your smearing of Kern gets BTFO by people who have actually played Firefall. retard
>>334984047
You got me. I guess having a conversation with people that requires multiple replies back and forth is samefagging.
>>334982514
speak english friendo.
>>334982252
except I watched a great game immediately after he got canned (Firefall) get so casualized everyone who liked it quit playing the game. And then they quit updating it after only a couple months. It has placeholders for like 8 chapters and only one got filled. The new guy came in and changed everything that made it a good game as soon as he was hired. fuck off blizzdrone.
>>334984063
what the heck does gamergate have to do with it?
that is some low effort bait
>>334984265
Firefall was shit to begin with, nobody cares dude
>>334984147
I loved how for a few years WoWkiller was such a powerful marketing term. It was the only way certain MMOs made any money at all. That term really isn't used much anymore, except in irony by shitposters. In fact, if a developer tried to lead with that to push their MMO it would probably backfire today.
Now the marketing strategy is: "We aren't trying to copy WoW's formula, we want to do our own thing." Still not working. I wonder what comes next?
>>334984246
>Defending a literal shitbag who nobody likes
I guess you can relate.
>>334984305
People are literally saying Blizzard is unethical for exercising their legal rights over their intellectual property.
It's literally "ackhtually it's about ethics in illegally emulating a game"
>>334983165
I remember when you were saying "only 10000!".
>>334984470
Yep, "you will never reach 200k!" the shills were spouting.
>>334984305
Sorry but vanilla is over and done with. If you want to play the vanilla experience? Make your own MMO without using any blizzard assets.
>>334984367
>he never played beta.
yup it was as soon as they fired him and the new guy and fucked every single good thing up about it. why do you hate him so much like really what did that guy do to have any consequence on your life for you to even have an opinion about him?
>>334984246
You samefag because you're an avatarcunt and then post anonymously defending yourself. Get your shit straight. The way you post gives it off pretty easily, you'd do a better job if you didn't attach "shill" to every post
>our first sulfuras was going to go to my shaman bro
>played his character every weekend for MC since he was working
>he was deaf so nobody knew it was me, I'd RP as him
>eye never dropped
>he died of cancer in 2014
I think I need to get one just for closure
>>334984470
>>334984537
That's not what I said at all, but it's okay, I know nostalgiafags have literally defective brains.
If Nost had such a MASSIVE community that rivaled retail WoW, how come it's struggling to get signatures? Wouldn't it have all 1 million accounts backing this?
>>334984623
You're probably only one on /v/ who did.
>>334984215
It's not the gameplay I'm referring to, but how it feels. Maybe I can't explain it very well. Just the overall movement of your characters, the interactions, the combat (despite being tabbed combat and getting dumbed down extremely, it still feels tight).
Playing other MMOs just feel sloppy in comparison. Things are too floaty, or heavy, or slippery, just feels weird. The gameplay is shit, but everything feels good. Or maybe I've been playing WoW for too long and I'm just so used to how it feels it makes everything else seem off.
if vanilla comes back i'm going to make a pvp video with a soilwork and sonic syndicate soundtrack
>>334984827
Nah you're right, there's something with other mmos that don't feel right when just walking or autoattacking
The world event system sounds a lot like GW2, was that any fun?
>>334984792
you sure are talking alot of shit about him for no reason then. were on /v/ right? everyone has to have some bullshit argument for no reason to be contrarian enough to fit in I guess.
>extraneous stats that don't make for good gameplay
>honor system was terrible
>class design was garbage
>companion pets and mounts took up bag space
>reagents
>ammo
>Hunters used mana
>3 seconds to get on a mount
>resist gear
>forced raid sizes
>attunements
>"We need 600k runecloth to open a door that'll make servers crash"
>only challenging raid was also the only one that barely 1% of players saw
How the fuck do people think WoW was good at any point in it's lifetime
>>334984780
>nostalgiafags
I don't care about the petition, just calling the shills out on the fact they got BTFO. Stay butt blasted, Rahul.
>>334984872
>my friend still has a 240p pvp video up with fucking dragonforce as the soundtrack
>it's just him in AQ40 hunter gear one shotting people
>>334985007
who cares if the gameplay is garbage, muh community muh chatting
>>334985076
>Dragonforce
>Not this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8-sMJZTYf0
>>334977612
This guy is going to be escorted off the premises by security.
>>334985023
>shill
>rahul
yep, it's the thread samefag all right
>>334984447
>People are literally saying Blizzard is unethical
ctrl+f "ethic" returns only your post.
If you have to make up quotes, then it's not 'literal'
And people petition game companies over game features all the time, I'm not sure why this is any more important or different.
>>334977612
Five
Thousand
Pages
What a fucking waste of paper.
>>334985145
Nigga it was all about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3J6CyeFUds
>>334985007
this
>>334985134
plus working towards that locked content. Being part of that 1% that actually saw endgame content was something to aspire to. What the fuck do you even do in modern wow where any mouthbreathing retard can do everything?
>>334984570
but I don't even play WoW. It was a legit question
Hopefully the WOW clone will die so we can get some polished budgeted sandbox games again.
>>334985309
Not in this thread you dongus, in the seven thousand other threads we've had about it this month.
>>334985435
Oh. So you're just yelling at clouds then? Non-present individuals? Shadows of the past?
I know that feel...
>>334985145
>>334985076
>>334985313
what about In Flames?
Hopefully this causes Blizzard to just flat out cancel Legion. That would be awesome.
>>334984780
The only people struggling are your parents trying to fund all of your autism medication, because they obviously haven't given you enough.
>>334985007
>>companion pets and mounts took up bag space
Whats the problem? That adds to their value. There is NO reason everybody should have 600 mounts and pets.
>>334985603
I didn't play on nostalrius though.
>>334985612
>but it adds vaaaaaluuue muh vanilla
fuck off you stupid faggot
how do you justify storing a fucking kodo in your BAG
When people ask for a legacy server do they mean the actual server/client as it was back in the day, complete with the lack of UI/handling QoLor visual improvements that have been made since then?How would they live without add-on support?
>>334975810
Cool number, but has Blizzard said anything on the matter? If not, then the numbers don't really mean shit do they?
>>334984680
I've never samefagged before in my life fagtron. Nice try though.
>Mfw all the 'people' claiming retail sucks have NEVER EVER killed a mythic boss when it was current
>hundreds of thousands of nostalrius players have been active on /v/
>none of them have posted about playing non-cookie cutter talent specs and enjoying them
>none of them have screenshotted their great builds where bonus damage to wands and shorter cast times on banish have made the game so much better than current wow
I really ponder the End-Game scenario for these legacy server people. You gonna play 1.12 Naxx for more than 2 years? Beg for a new direction of development or roll out the expansions all over again?
As someone who had things like the eggscilliscope to freeze Leeroy eggs for retards or the Argent Dawn lightsaber, I greatly enjoyed the vanilla experience but you can't go back, at least not for long. Re-farming tier 0 or grinding Hydraxxian Waterlord rep does not sound appealing in the least, especially with the veil pulled back on so many old fights thanks to addons.
>>334985612
>That adds to their value.
that's just dumb
>>334984827
>>334984827
I guess you never played lotro or even dungeons and dragons online.
>>334985871
>Mythic meme mode
>content
You had one job
>>334982819
You have 14 Days. If after that time the Plane is not properly tuned, I am deleting my characters, and cancelling all of my accounts. The rest of my guild will follow suit, as will several other guilds and people that play Everquest.
To be brief, I did not work my ass off, jumping through your idiotic hoops with my friends and guildmates, so I could go to a zone where only groups of 18 could enjoy the content. EVEN if past these initial moronic events I can finally get my entire guild in to raid with me, FUCK YOU GUYS. Seriously, FUCK YOU.
I cannot believe this... right now I'm just so pissed off. I am sitting here in the Plane of Time, and 3/4 of my guild is just sitting around while a group of 18 is repeatedly trying to beat one of the mini ring encounters. Don't you people have ANY FUCKING DECENCY? SMEDLEY WHY DON'T YOU STOP COUNTING YOUR MONEY AND START ISSUING ORDERS?
The tragic irony of creating the ultimate cockblock encounter in the form of the Rathe which requires 80 people to defeat and then to limit encounters in the Plane of Time to 18.
14 Days.... after that this site will change from the most popular EQ fan site on the internet to the most popular World of Warcraft fan site on the internet. I'm done playing ball with you useless fuckers... it's my turn.
>>334985740
How do you justify casting fireballs out of thin air?
christ you're a retard
>>334985965
>I'm not good enough for X
>X is not content!
>>334985703
>everyone who likes this game is dumb. DUMB
are you still stamping your feet over that?
>>334986051
Magic? WoW characters are not fucking merlin, you're not gonna shrink a kodo so it fits in your hat.
>>334985007
community is all these people care about. even if the gameplay is terrible, they just want someone outside in the world to play it with them.
>"I-I don't care if my favorite class and spec is not viable. Vanilla is so much better because I see other people outside doing quest near me"
>>334985871
personally, I'd complain that there are no meaningful outdoor group areas akin to Jintha'alor or Hearthglen that require or strongly encourage group play to reap greater rewards for fighting in a more dangerous area. Also relevant questlines to bring those areas to life and interconnect them.
>>334986064
I'd bet money that you've said that exact same thing about people who enjoy the current iteration of WoW.
>>334986064
>>everyone who likes this game is dumb. DUMB
Well you're right about that though
There is literally no reason to not support legacy servers unless
1. You are a blizz shill and afraid it will kill retail
2. You like laughing at other people not playing what they want
Either way kill yourselves
>>334986038
>The tragic irony of creating the ultimate cockblock encounter in the form of the Rathe which requires 80 people to defeat and then to limit encounters in the Plane of Time to 18.
>Naxx 40
>To Kara 10
>To Gruul 25
What a fucking hypocrite.
>>334985584
heres my vanilla pvp video playlist
>>334986038
lm-fucking-mao
is that a tigole post?
To bad blizzard are faggots. The whole "you think you want legacy servers but you dont" is one of the most ignorant things any developer has ever said
>>334985874
What you mentioned were not good about the game, most nost players agree on that.
However the feeling of an actual world is what we miss. The world actually felt alive, with a thriving community. Also the difficulty made the game rewarding Garrisoncraft feels nothing like that.
>>334986147
Where do you store them when it's not taking up a bag space? Up your ass? How do you fit 100s of mounts and pets up there? You're not merlin ffs.
Out of all the retarded arguments against the quality of Vanilla, this one is by the most retarded one.
>>334976979
there was literally nothing good about wildstar
>>334986359
you're the one that's ACTUALLY so fucking retarded you argue that hurr durr having your mount in your bag adds value
fucking lmao man
>>334975810
>implying blizzard will do anything about it
they aren't about to make a smart decision just when they're spiraling down the drain, anon
>>334986407
I didn't say it adds value but you only need one mount. Saving one bag space for one mount is literally fucking nothing. fuck off
>>334985874
Show us all those awesome Garrison screenshots!
>>334986205
I agree. Isle of Thunder was a good idea, dunno why they didn't do it again.
>>334986496
>I didn't say it adds value
>>334985612
>That adds to their value
>>334986553
Show us those awesome screenshots you afk for 5 hours in orgrimmar each day
>>334986616
I have not replied a single time to the first post I made.
>implying you want legacy servers
>>334975810
armchair activists are funny
>>334986616
that wasn't me fuckhead holy hell
I just want to make one server per region so these fuckers shut up.
Prolly not going to happen for another 6 months at least though. They're focused on getting Legion out.
>>334986283
>all that nostalgia
>>334986302
furor, the ultimate whiny baby
he also now works on wow
>>334986746
>look at me I butted into a conversation that didn't concern me, boy don't you look stupid now xdd
jesus christ, just kill yourself
>>334986746
then why the fuck are you replying to that
>>334977612
Why does this guy have anime titties all over his Twitter page?
>>334985397
>Implying more than 1% of the playerbase has done mythic content/challenge modes.
>>334986061
>mythic is so easy you can sell runs to retards
Its the same content, its boring as fuck, we didn't need an entire expansion based on fucking corrupted orcs, we had that last fucking expansion as the final raid which lasted 12 fucking months.
The quality of content is at an all time low because they just copy paste it with new debuffs.
Give me some bonus bosses like Alganon or hard modes like Yoggy, give me extra content if im going to invest all this time into mythic meme runs, mythic is litteraly cancer and the worst thing to happen this expansion, its not hard, its just tedious waste of time, and trying to keep my guild together running mythic is fucking impossible because everyone is jaded and bored and does nothing but bitch, many have quit and wont come back until legion, if we weren't top guild on the server we'd probably never be able to fill slots.
>guy in thread that thinks keeping mounts in his satchel makes the game better
>>334986992
IT ADD VALUE
>>334977485
>implying you need to check a box before modding the client and distributing it.
Technically only the player needs to agree to licensing terms and that's only if the dev leaves the agreement screen in.
Most private developed servers leave it in because it's void if it's not distributed by blizz and it also means less arbitrary programming.
Blizzard are just cyberbullies
>>334986865
obviously the conversation did concern me because I replied to it
>y-you shouldn't have been r-r-replying to me anyway
>i w-wouldn't have b-been BTFO if you just m-minded your own b-business
kek, what a goof
I don't understand why a Vanilla server is needed, go play on Kronos or another private server and get your Vanilla fix until you're satisfied.
>>334986972
>selfies
Why... Why did they put this shit in the game?
>>334986975
they quit because your guild is bad, you scrublord.
>>334986992
It doesn't, but neither does having a giant catalogue of mounts either.
Mounts should have had a gameplay overhaul by now, but instead they just keep getting buffed.
>>334986975
Post your august Mythic Archimonde kill.
>>334987128
Post your Herald of the Titans and Undying/Immortal, faggot.
>>334977485
And by the eula, blizzard should be comng after thr consumers and not the server hosters
>>334987073
Iunno, but it's neat.
It just gets a bad rap because they didn't relase any other content and touted it as some huge deal.
>>334987073
fuck if i know but it made for sun fun and interesting pictures
>>334975810
>online petitions
>implying it means ANYTHING useful
Come on /v/, you know better to post this. You might as well petition for the secession of Texas.
>>334979629
>new content
14 MONTHS OF APEXIS CRYSTALS GOY
I would like to but I don't wanna give blizzard any money.
>>334987079
We've been solid for years up until MOP, MOP was when the raiding scene became an absolute chore to run.
And its not because "Wah the content is too hard" but the content is uninteresting, and many people who used to be some of the best raiders ive run with just sit in TS playing other shit like LOL or DayZ
>>334987306
It means Kern takes it to Morhaime and we get an official response after seeing what Nostalrius did. It also shows support for legacy servers which is kind of important for Blizzard when determining how profitable it'd be.
>>334987393
>MOP was when the raiding scene became an absolute chore to run.
That was back in vanilla.
>>334987393
What? MoP had great raiding. The first tier was solid, ToT was the best raid since Ulduar, and Siege was okay except for its duration.
>>334978062
Not watching that whole shit. What do I need to know?
Post YFW Nost cucks will NEVER EVER get a legacy server
>>334987465
>mfw their official response will be NO once again
can't wait. what is their next move? create videos telling people to quit retail? this legacy drama has been great. I hope some indie film guy picks up this story and creates a doc about it.
>>334987502
Nah, you could fill slots for vanilla, everyone was interested for a chance at loot and to see new shit.
When gear slowly became more and more pointless and everyone got tourist mode, or already ran it on normal, now heroic, they don't want to bother running mythic.
>>334987550
The first tier was meh, TOT was great, seige lasted way too fucking long, but it was in MOP that I began to run into issues filling slots as more people were quitting end game raiding then actually joining.
>>334987465
>we get an official response
You already got the official response. Repeatedly.
> shows support for legacy servers
Of course there's support for legacy servers, I'm sure you can find support for the first version of FF14 too. Means jack shit. Besides,
> important for Blizzard when determining how profitable it'd be.
First, I'm sure they already did this. Blizzard loves money, they would've implemented it if they think it would be profitable.
Second, I doubt the +200k petitioners would actually pay 15 bucks a month for extended periods of time. Especially with no new content, forever.
>>334987674
>normal, now heroic, they don't want to bother running mythic.
back in mop it was just normal and heroic
>>334987674
I think it was because of 2 things: Siege lasting way too long and the announcement of Mythic, therefore killing the 10M community.
>>334987759
It was flex, normal and heroic. Same as now.
>looking through old screenshots
>most of them were taken by an add-on that would take a picture whenever I got an achievement
>find one that has a WIM window open
>it's a snippet of a conversation with a friend
>look at the day of the screenshot
>It was the day before he got in a car accident and died
>Legacy servers won't bring him back
>>334987675
Why do they have to charge 15$ a month, servers dont cost that much and they dont need to pay people to update content, have a legacy access monthly fee for 5$ a month, with 200k people that's 1 million a month for doing nothing.
>>334987873
>ruining the brand
>"nothing"
Internet thieves trying to justify their actions. They should just set up a new server somewhere. Get the relief for their addiction quietly.
>>334987759
Yeah, it was normal then, heroic now is like heroic then..
Point being if you've already done the content on normal, doing it on heroic, or in WOD's case, heroic and mythic, you find yourself bored.
Especially since the gear is worthless outside of raids, you don't need to farm world content, like elites for craftables and consumables, its garbo for PVP, so you're stuck with a system that is only there to award achievement points and epeen, but you don't have anything to show for it.
>>334987550
all mop raids were trash kill yourself
>>334987970
How does that ruin the brand? Did Vanilla and BC WoW ruin the brand?
>>334987675
>Blizzard never changes their minds on anything
>Except for the dozens of times they did change their mind on a multitude of features in WoW
>Nost's popularity, the petition, and the buzz over social media mean absolutely nothing goy!
>Blizzard is infallible and never ever makes a bad business decision! If they haven't done something yet, it's because it's not profitable! Just look at DOTA!
>Y-y-you think you'll p-pay for it, b-but y-you won't
>>334979426
>If anything was actually "superior" to WoW then it would of matched or broken WoW's subs wom wrath.
>popularity equals quality fallacy
Ebin
>>334988161
>>Nost's popularity, the petition, and the buzz over social media mean absolutely nothing goy!
That's right, they've made their stance clear for over 6 years now
>>334988183
so that means WoD is good too?
thank you
>>334987873
> that's 1 million a month for doing nothing.
1 million per month to:
- server upkeep and other maintenance
- support teams (GMs, admins, etc.)
And bear in mind that they're not going to get this 1 million for long, *if* they get that much to start with.
>>334988020
I don't understand why they don't just set up a new server in Mexico or Eastern Europe. I mean sure, the latency would be higher, but Australians played WoW just fine all these years.
>>334988161
>being this much of an idiot
Did you mistake my post for "Blizzard is a perfect company, 10/10"? Or were you dropped on your head as a kid and didn't realize that fucking online petitions have no legitimacy?
Are all legacyfags as idiotic as you are?
>>334988020
More like internet thieves trying to advocate for a legal avenue to do something they fervently want to do, even if it means paying Blizzard.
>>334988301
1 million is peanuts though, they made over 800 million in 2015. They're not gonna damage the brand by caving in to whiners for that
>>334988272
You conveniently ignored the part of the post directly above what you quoted.
>>334988301
>Did you mistake my post for "Blizzard is a perfect company, 10/10"?
That's exactly what you implied by taking their word as law on the issue. Try articulating your thoughts better next time if you want to be understood bud.
>>334988301
It's a minimum of 1 million a month for negligible costs. Support teams don't cost a lot, say you have 8-10 dedicated staff at 50k a year wage, that cost is covered in less than a month of subscriptions. Then you have server costs. If we go on 500k a year in salaries and you make 12 million a year that leaves you with 11,500,000 for server costs. If you cant pay for a fucking server with 11.5 million then you're a shit company that shouldn't be allowed to operate.
>>334988484
>by taking their word as law on the issue
Shit, you are dense. What I'm saying is, even if they are willing to change, they're not going to care about online petitions that are easily rigged.
Are you that idiotic to trust everything you read online that much? Rhetorical question, because of course you are.
>>334988430
They could see revenue gains of about 2% a year for doing literally no work, this frees up money for staff in other areas and support of content for other games by doing no work and this is an estimate that's low, only 200k people. The numbers for a legacy server would be much bigger, you'd probably have a good 2-3 million people at the very least which is when you get to the 10+ million range and upwards of 10% more profit a year.
Is my Feldrake still cool?
I bought it around Siege of Orgrimmar, and then unsubbed.
>>334988519
Why do you think all 200k people would sign up? Why would you even think there's 200k people interested in this? When people sign that online petition, do they have to submit a government-issued ID, to ensure not one person signed it multiple times? Or pay an amount of money to show commitment?
>>334988723
> revenue gains of about 2% a year
There would be MORE people playing in a server with no updates?
>>334988723
>you'd probably have a good 2-3 million people
>>334988769
is rare now because people ar not duping mounts anymore.
>>334988869
Look at vanilla numbers, look at current wow subscriber numbers and then look at modern MMO numbers. People want legacy WoW, it was the game that started it all and people are craving it.
>>334988864
Most people dont even know there is a petition
>>334988664
I'm not talking about the petition at all when accusing you of being a Blizzard dickrider taking everything they say and do as infallible. Your reading comprehension skills are literal dogshit my man.
>>334988979
>look at official vanilla numbers
0?
>>334988979
>Look at vanilla numbers
It's not 2006 anymore
>People want legacy WoW
Yeah, 10k at most. Not worth sacrificing the game for
>>334988979
>these off the chart levels of delusion
So why do people want blizzard NOT to release legacy servers?
>>334988979
Anon, today there are more MMOs than ever before. The market is saturated.
>>334989018
> taking everything they say and do as infallible
> said no one, especially not me
That's okay little man, when summer break comes you can stay up and shitpost all night
>>334989208
I don't really care one way or the other; I'm just here to laugh at people who thinks online petitions mean anything
>>334989208
It's not that I don't want, it's that it won't happen but all these selfish nostalriusfags ITT are so absolutely convinced in their own delusion that it will happen.
Correction, blizz will make legacy servers, once they discontinue WoW forever
>>334989208
Because they've been fed too much bullshit on how it would subtract from their facebook grinding games.
>>334989129
>>334989115
>>334989052
You guys are horrible business people
You can also look at popular legacy private servers, they make more than enough to maintain server costs and lots get popular enough that blizzard actually gets pissed off at them.
>>334989115
>Yeah, 10k at most
I want legacy servers to happen for nothing more than you shills eating your own words when they absolutely explode in popularity and prove every shillpost you've squeezed out of your anus to be absolutely and entirely destroyed.
>>334982149
You could just go west along the shore to find a little spot that was labeled as part of Dun Morogh, drown yourself, and appear in the zone at the spirit healer.
>>334989267
>Anon, today there are more MMOs than ever before. The market is saturated.
And they all suck and aren't as popular as Vanilla and BC WoW
>>334988979
People also don't pay for any private servers.
>>334989412
Vanilla and BC WoW is popular because it's literally the babby mode of MMOs back then.
>>334975810
>another nostalricuck thread
Time to grow up and move on, your meme server got shut down.
>>334989267
>Blizzard already said no! No means no! Drop it! If they haven't done it yet it means it's not profitable so shut up! Blizzard never changes their minds or overlooks good business opportunities! They're literally infallible!
this is some backpedaling
>>334989334
Yes, you want, but it's not gonna happen
>>334989334
>when they absolutely explode in popularity
>$15 a month
yeah, good luck with that
>>334989267
While this is true, most of those MMOs are on F2P life support.
>>334989431
People do though, they donate to these servers.
These servers also have no scripting
>>334987060
private servers are not accurate and liable to be taken down at any moment
>>334989317
Irreversibly damaging the brand is not worth a measly 1 million dollars a year.
>>334989501
> I literally points out the pointlessness of online petitions
> being this much of an illiterate
Well, I can't help you there little buddy. You're social services' problems now.
>>334989517
Those MMOs also exist, and would probably survive (albeit with smaller number of players). And new ones are being made all the time.
>>334989582
>most popular vanilla server was struggling to pay the bills
>"people donate"
not enough, huh?
>>334989516
$15/month is literally nothing, especially for a proven product like original WoW.
>>334989582
Most of them donate for P2W bullshit gear.
>>334989501
>Blizzard already said no! No means no!
That is correct
>Drop it!
Right, that's a part of being an adult, only babies can't take no for an answer
>If they haven't done it yet it means it's not profitable so shut up!
Probably, you know, they've answered it right fucking here, and that was last year, never mind all the other years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhTTY4-5E1s&feature=youtu.be&t=37m16s
>Blizzard never changes their minds or overlooks good business opportunities!
Sure they do, but learn what opportunity cost is
>>334975810
>they hit their goal
>blizzard decides to humor them on the off chance it'll pay off
>it doesn't
All these things could come to be.
>>334989691
>I literally points out the pointlessness of online petitions
No no, you see it was the part of the post that WASN'T about petitions. This is what I meant when I shat on your reading comprehension bud.
>>334989693
>most popular vanilla server was struggling to pay the bills
love this meme
>>334989650
That's 1 million a month you retarded illiterate fuck
1 million a month with a lower sub fee and only 200k subscribers and we all know it'd be way more than that
>>334989691
And they flop.
And usually are terrible MMOs.
It doesn't matter if the market is saturated if you make a good game.
The problem is you can easily fuck up a potentially good game, and there hasn't been a single good MMO to come out since WOW launched to even compete with it, which is why WOW was able to canabalize its development costs to bare minimum and still retain the most population of any MMO available, despite the fact there is less and less and less content for players then ever before.
>>334989770
the fuck is that from senpai
>>334989770
>using TotalRP instead of MyRolePlay
>>334989841
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
>and we all know
no, you seem to imagine that you know, big difference
>>334989818
This is the type of rhetoric I see from hypercasuals on the general WoW forums.
>Blizzard said no! Mommy and Daddy said no! You have to listen to them!
I think you have some facebook games to be playing.
>>334989840
> I am a retard that can only discuss things as long as it is not extended to more than one post
God bless you little man.
>>334977360
>Not wanting to replay TBC and finish everything from start to finish properly
I mean if you don't have fun...
>>334989952
So you have nothing, okay
>>334989952
>someone says NO
>continue to harass them until they change their answer
hello, future rapist
>>334989902
Storyline, it's an addon that makes questing a bit more immersive.
It just pops your character model and the npc model in a screen you see there, and puts the quest text in the bottom like dialog.
It even lets you use spacebar/number keys to go through the options instead of clicking.
Really nifty addon.
>>334990123
>why the fuck is this bitch dancing
>just gimme the fucking books
>I wish I were in Shattrath next to that wind chime
>why did I shave
>my feet hurt
>this garrison's too loud
>>334990123
> Feminist
I must've gone insane, because I actually chuckled at just the name
>>334990007
Is this one of them lewd animes?
>>334990123
>feminist
>>334990007
sauce? this looks like a fun watch.
>>334990123
How do you feel about AotC being nerfed to hell in Legion?
>>334989982
>I call out his Blizzard dickriding
>He deflects to the petition meme
>I'm the one who can't follow an argument
>>334990056
You need to have an argument to reply to first.
>>334990348
Cruisecuck... get some help with your delusions
>>334990257
>>334990214
I enjoy my meme names.
>>334990318
Hmm what do you mean?
I don't really care, I'm a casual player nowadays. Too old to get into heavy raiding.
>>334990257what show is this from
>>334990449
Nice shtick
>>334990468
Nah that place is weird
>>334990449
>Mooselimb
Took me a second.
What are you going to name your Demon Hunter?
>>334990449
>shop button on the character menu
th-thanks neoblizzard
>>334990348
>petition meme
>actual topic of the conversation that I replied to the OP
>the thing that is meant to make Blizzard change its mind
>"meme"
Good going, little guy! Maybe in the future we can expand your vocabulary... no one likes a tard with a potty mouth.
>>334990449
AotC is nerfed; instead of the constant 20% move speed, you get 90% move at 3s, I think 60% for the next 6 seconds, and the whole thing is on 3 minutes cooldown.
>yfw Blizzard releases legacy servers and all their drones who were vigorously attacking the idea don't know what to think anymore
>>334990694
idc, I'll probably level there between resets, but only if it's included in my main sub
>>334990694
>Blizzard
>Doing anything positive
Fat chance.
>>334990592
oh I was so fucking confused I thought you were were talking about "ahead of the curve" achievements.
Oh yeah that nerf.. Pretty annoying. I feel like it's something they're going to reverse.
It's so bizarre..
>>334990694
>yfw nost babbies become megadrones since they'll be paying $15 a month for dated content and ignored servers
>>334990592
>deflecting again
wew lad
>>334990591
>shop button there so you can do character services without having to log into the website
>complaining about that
>>334990842
>ignored servers
>and some babbies are so retarded they're willing to pay for legacy servers that will never be updated
Are those guys gigadrones?
>>334990891
>MG
into the fucking trash
>>334976979
The Secret World is so fucking good. It's just a terrible MMO. I recommend getting the game on sale, picking a build that can solo easily, and just playing through ignoring other players and enjoying the atmosphere. The Secret World would have been a GOTY contender if only it hadn't of been an MMO. It's probably one of the few games I've played where I thought out loud that I wish it were single player.
>>334990842
If legacy has a single update it will be more than WoD has had in 14 months. kek
>>334990891
>all on an RP server
jesus
>>334991046
Moon Guard is a pretty neat server. You see a lot of people doing random stuff out in the world so it feels well populated.
>>334990589
Ahh man I'm still thinking.. I need to think of a bunch of names and do some GM release requests..
Blizzard's never going to do it.
They can't even work on one fucking game without it taking 430 days between patches
>legacy servers get made
>babbies cheer
>fast forward 6 months later
>"blizzard, could you maybe.."
>"it won't ruin the experience if you just.."
>"I'm having fun, but could you.."
>"this is a problem you could fix if you just.."
>>334991216
>that asmongold iron man challenge episode where some dwarf walks, yes walks, into the redridge town hall wearing some fancy tuxedo
>>334975810
Since when have petitions gotten anyone to do anything?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1rcRy20eS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-351cq2vao
>If you're not wanting to let it go you're just rewriting over your old memories with the new ones
>>334991362
Yeah that's why I started an alt on this server.
I've just been leveling through all the zones, I never actually went back and leveled 1-60 in the post-cat old world.
I see stuff like this occasionally, people making their own random adventures haha.
Also RIP asmongolertwo, he was seriously devastated about that..
>>334990836
Do you like horsecock?
>>334991291
this is my biggest argument against legacy servers
you're forced to play with the retail playerbase
private servers aren't empty because no one knows about them, they're empty because normies are terrified of anything slightly technical
>>334991362
>that asmongold iron man challenge episode where he dies
>>334991291
Why do you act as though asking something for the money you give is some kind of faux pas?
>TAKE WHAT YOU'RE GIVEN NOSTFAGS OUR GLORIOUS LEADER IS TOO BUSY WORKING ON OTHER TERRIBLE GAMES TO LISTEN TO YOUR SHIT, YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU'RE GIVEN LIKE I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO FOR THE PAST 6 YEARS
>>334991586
I can see the appeal in that, but I'm such a fucking shit RPer I'm afraid to fuck up
>>334991594
No, not particularly
>>334990506Uchuu Patrol Luluco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioQWkWj5_ss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud9h8UpcC4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Falm0H7VEiQ
MMO's are about worlds to play together in.
Blizzard knew this in 2005, and somehow that idea died with WOW evolution into a facebook game.
>>334991613
>you're forced to play with the retail playerbase
It'll be amusing at least for a little while
>where is mankriks wife?
>>334991696
Lol I don't RP at all either. I just watch other people do it. You don't have to RP on an RP server.
>>334991684
>"we want vanilla"
>"no, wait.. we want vanilla, but with features that were not available in vanilla, and for you to fix everything that was technically wrong with vanilla"
this is why legacy never, ever
>>334991931
>You don't have to RP on an RP server.
>this is what transfer trash actually believe
>>334991897
>Where do I get my mount
>im lvl 20
>>334991931
>pretends to not be from /wowg/
>goes on to spam selfies
mfw wow is a visual novel now.
>>334980338
Yeah man, low button rotations are totally a new thing
>Meanwhile in classic and TBC
Warlocks
>Spam shadowbolt
Shaman
>Spam frost shock
Pally
>Spam judgment
Mage
>Spam frostbolt
>>334992045
>could someone pls loan me 20g? I just hit 40 and I don't have all the money to get my mount
>[trade] SUSAN EXPRESS $$$ EAZY GOLD 4 U. ONLY $40 FOR 1000G. PLS VIST WWW.SUSANEXPRESS.COM 4 YOUR WOW GOLD NEEDS
STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE
>>334992074
I'm just posting random screenshots while I reply dude.
>>334992229
susan changed the site or something I think. I havent seen that shit since early MOP
>>334991815
That's a shame
>>334992213
You're forgetting
>threat management
>mana management
>debuffs
There was a reason why rogues were top tier raid DPS.
>>334992294
Nobody likes WoW anymore.
>>334992301
why does that lady have a framed picture of a baby strapped to her back
>>334982562
>commercial law for dummies
>>334992409
WoW had $850mil in revenue in 2015. Approximately 18% of total Actvision-Blizzard revenue.
http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ACTI/1832051829x0x879468/F09D2E95-3D63-48EA-B59D-01E15CC991E7/Q4_2015_ATVI_Earnings_Press_Release.pdf
Page 9:
Look at the 2
2 Revenues from online consists of revenues from all World of Warcraft products, including subscriptions, boxed products, expansion packs, licensing royalties, and value-added services.
>>334992008
That's what would happen, but it's an admittance that vanilla/BC/Wrath was bad.
Rather, people would want the experience and the community of old WoW, while still having the QoL improvements WoW has had since then. All those technical improvements and modern conveniences are only available if you play retail, which is devoid of the same sense of scope or adventure.
So yeah, if people were to ask for legacy servers with technical and quality of life adjustments, would that really be such a bad thing?
>>334992396
>threat management
Which means stop spamming for a few seconds and literally just sit there, great gameplay
>mana management
Bring a couple druids with innervate and make them cast it on a healer once or twice in a fight, was interesting at all
>debuffs
You think debuffs aren't a thing anymore? When was the last time you played?
I'm just saying, there's always been complex classes and not so complex classes, it's the same from the looks of Legion. You can roll Marksmanship if you want a faceroll spec, but there's also stuff like Unholy DK and Demo Lock that have a high potential for optimization.
>>334992558
And? It's still dead and Legion looks to drive it even further into the grave. 200k people didn't sign that petition because the game is still good.
Are you guys this deluded to think Blizzard will consider this petition because a ex dev made a 5k pages of how they should do legacy servers
>>334989208
Because it'll cost a raid tier.
>>334992819
>but it's an admittance
But it's NOT an admittance.
That'll teach me to reformat halfway through writing a post.
Is Tera the only other mmo worth playing besides wow?
>>334992827
Because pressing 1 2 3 when your addon says so is any more challenging :)
>>334992008
>but with features that were not available in vanilla
says who?
>>334992213
>thinking shamans and paladins were even ALLOWED to waste mana on nonhealing spells besides blessings and totems
fucking retard
>>334992819
I want to impregnate a Draenei
>>334992839
dunno man, feels pretty alive enough for me
Only blizz themselves can kill WoW when they announce WoW 2. Nobody defends content droughts, people unsub when they want and will come back. Big deal
>>334992994
Why are you still ignoring the fact that this is how it's always been? Button based combat can only get so complex.
>>334992994
You seem to forget that fights are literally puzzles now. The amount of convoluted shit you need to do in some of these fights is retarded. Especially so in Legion, where they want you to pay attention to the fight at hand rather than your rotation.
>>334993081
>years since the draenei landed
>no draenei/elf or draenei/human offspring
>apparently only orcs are compatible
Fuck this gay earth.
>>334993006
I was mostly speaking for PvP, but fair enough, here's the PvE rotations
>Pallies spam blessings
>Shaman spam totems
There
>>334977438
It's not the fact that they pay money for it, as far as I've seen. It's because the latest expansion is dog shit, has sub fee but has literal pay2win despite it.
The sub fee itself isn't the issue, it's everything else that's around it.
>>334993147
Exactly, it hasn't changed, they just removed shit and just added more groundfire
>>334993162
Yeah, puzzles, which is why they have a giant journal saying "DONT STAND IN THE FIRE YOU DUMBFUCK" that you can read before hand or preresiquite mods to even be able to 'attempt' such puzzles.
Meanwhile when was the last time you needed to Sheep/Banish or Frostnova spawns so your healers didn't get fucked since AOE tanking was not a thing?
>>334992839
>still dead
>Today I ran into enough people while leveling in zangarmarsh (yes, I was actually questing) to consider it a huge burden constantly waiting for mobs to respawn
>SW was rather packed
>same with tanaan
I don't get this dead meme. I'm even playing on a low pop realm.
>>334993285
if you were mostly talking about pvp then you'd have enough knowledge to know in tbc sl/sl lock reigned supreme and didn't hardcast shit
fucking retard
>>334993284
>>apparently only orcs are compatible
that's not true though
I mean orc/draenei exist because of rape, not any other reason.
NElves have been hanging with humans for a longer time and afaik there's no nelf/human
Most of the species in wow seem to not enjoy the idea of racemixing too much, apart from high elf/human being common compared to all other mixes. Probably because high elves are just longer lived, pointy eared glowy eyed humans
>>334993410
I see you literally know nothing about the current game.
>>334992994
>pally during vanilla
>entire role during boss encounter was to cleanse, rebuff and throw out heals, while making sure I'm not standing in bad shit
if only raiding was still this easy
>>334992839
>And?
you said that nobody likes it and you're wrong
>legion is going to be bad because I say so
ok
>>334993284
Everything is compatible, they just haven't done it because accusations of Mary Sue. Personally my favorite interracial pairings are
>Draenei female/Troll male
>Night Elf female/Orc male
>same thing but the females switched around
>>334993551
>throw out heals
You literally only needed to manage buffs and no one would complain.
>>334993414
low pop realms were medium before the capacity increase
>>334975810
200 thousand people isn't enough to fund server maintenance
>>334993695
Yes it is, how much do you think a fucking server costs
>>334977813
>if blizz shits out legacy servers it's basically an open admission that their game is SHIT
And this is exactly why they aren't doing it despite knowing people want them. They don't want to admit the complains that the game has been getting worse with the years.
alright
guys
what
what if
we take the progression system of vanilla/tbc, the horribly timegated attunement
mix it with mop pvp
and wotlk tier raiding except wod difficulty
>>334993750
A server that hosts hundreds of thousands of people?
You do realise that games with less than 1M active users shut down for lack of money for maintenance right?
Do some people seriously think that any raids post-BC are not complete shit? All the top-tier guilds of my server disbanded after Ulduar because there was no feeling of achievements anymore.
Hell, even my shit ass guild that wiped on Kael for 6 months cleared Naxx one month after WotLK released.
>>334993695
guild wars 1 servers are still maintained today for maybe 7k players with only the box sales of guild wars 1
>>334993660
yeah, but we had spell ranks(as you know), so I would throw out a low rank to help out.
anything to get me closer to bonereaver.
>>334993881
That's because it costs money to pay people to create content, patch the game and provide customer support.
Vanilla WoW is already content complete, there is no work to be done. A server doesn't cost as much as you think it does. For a WoW server you're probably looking at 40k a year at most and even that's ridiculous
So like, why is everyone so against a Vanilla server?
Haven't any of you noticed that just about every fucking fandom likes older titles more than the newer ones?
Super Mario Bros: Everyone wants a new Super Mario 64, and everyone hates 3D Land and 3D World, absolutely no one like New Super Mario Bros
Metal Gear: No one likes MGS5, but everyone loves MGS3
Super Smash Bros: Melee
Sonic the Hedgehog: The classic series
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Halo: Halo 2
DOOM, The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, the list can go on forever.
So.. why is everyone getting on these people's case?
>>334993887
Maybe you just got better and realized wow is a casual piece of shit
>wow
>ever hard
>>334993414
>Cross realm zones.
You forgot that so does every other fucking retail player now.
Zones only look packed because they are literally combining all servers now by a pseudo mega server design.
Nost had fucking 12000 people on peak hours during 6 months of the year of it's lifespan. That's fucking population. But that's when it became hell.
Even nost on it's off hours were still bigger then any other retail server by itself given it was still 6.5k then.
There's a good reason they break the /who in retail now and why it only shows 50 people to zone. Even with all that though Census trackers still tell us the truth even if Blizzard wants to hide it. They are failing and WoW is split by a generation now. People seem to think it's okay for them to just take the shit and make the excuse of well it's still 5 million strong. It's closer to 3 million now and for them to drop off 10 million is very dark indeed. WoW just isn't the same game or even relative to it from 12 years ago. In fact even going as far to retcon the entire lore from the ground up. The original developer team is gone.
The only people left are people like Tigole and Metzen who are washed up hypocritical coke heads.
>>334994136
>one month
lmao hahahahahaahaha
>>334994046
>just about every fucking fandom likes older titles more than the newer ones
Nostalgia.
>>334994046
Your perception is warped by turbonerds posting on the internet.
Plenty of people like the newer games. That's why they go on to sell millions of copies.
That aside, I think there is a place for Legacy servers, if not to at least experience some of their older content how it used to be just to get a taste.
With cloud server technology and on the fly scaling servers shouldn't really be that big of a deal to manage for Vanilla, progression.
>>334994151
Nah, Moon Guard for example has over 20k people concurrent at times.
Nost wasnt peaking that often, it was around 5-6k for the most time
>>334994339
Pic related..
Moonguard Lion's Pride Inn..
>>334994464
Sargeras then, it peaks at 13k
Dalaran being the biggest is over 30k
This meme about nost needs to stop
>>334989823
>blizzard making a bad business decision
nothing wrong with that
>>334994259
>reintroduce removed classic content
>apply scaling limit to be alternative choice to current content but lower ilvl than heroic/mythic
wow that was hard, look at all this "brand new"
content for literally no work at all
>>334994464
yeah thats only because all the furfags and ERPers go there. I remember when My mate showed me this shit for the first time. You cunts should all be castrated for degeneracy
>>334975810
You think you are, but you aren't
>>334992984
Neverwinter was pretty funlast played it in beta though
last post before archive
>>334995064
Chill the fug out, I don't RP. I was just posing for the pics
>>334995362
>I dont RP
>IN the lions den in his underwear
gas yourself
>>334995534
he was clearly infiltrating the premises to report on the degeneracy
gotta go native or get shot
>>334995362
>>334995653
>filled the whole thread with horrible wow selfies
>not a degenerate
lol
Do newer raids have Bonestorm in them?
I didn't think so, checkmate fuckers!
