DaS2>DaS3>BB>DaS1>DeS
>>334952395
DaS3 = DaS > DeS > BB > DaS2
epic bait op xD.
BB=DeS>DS2>DS3>>DS1
>>334952395
>DaS2
>The best Souls game
>>334954267
>>334952395
So is this a thread about how to be as contrarian as possible?
>>334952395
>DaS2>DaS3>BB>DaS1>DeS
The exact reverse order is true.
until das3 dlc comes out to fix everything with the game it's
bb>das>des>das3>das2
Disgusting taste
DaS3>DaS=BB>DeS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Aids=Cancer=DaS2
BB<Das3<Des<Das<Das2
I will never understand peoples fascination with Dark Souls 1 so I just assume it was their first souls game and they never played Demons or DS2.
>more than half bosses are normal enemies
>bed of chaos
>90% of weapons aren't viable
>worst netcode in series
>broken covenants (Darkmoon & Gravelord)
>worst DLC in series that makes the bad netcode PVP incredibly unbalanced
>poise
>>334952395
>DaS2 best
>DeS worst
It seems you left out your reasoning dear anon. Why do you feel this way?
BB > DaS3 > DaS > DaS2 > DeS
>>334954556
this
BB=DS1>DS3>Demon's>DS2
>>334952395
DaS1 > DaS3 = DaS2 > DeS
Never played BB.
>>334954763
Half bosses are normal enemies? Are you okay?
>>334954818
do people still play bloodborne? that game is so fucking dead. I don't know why people rate it so high. It was a great game but it's nowhere near dark souls series. small amount of weapons, guns. community died almost right away unlike the souls series.
>>334954763
>Unfinished content
>a character openly calls you gay
>useless covenants (Chaos Servant)
I quite liked dark soul 2
>>334955038
FUCK YOU FOR HAVING AN OPINION DIFFERENT THAN MINE
>>334954987
that's called. say it with me, your opinion.
>>334954987
It is pretty dead.
But i guess everyone expected that. People jumped on DS3.
The games are just too similar.
>>334954987
>>334955091
its the sony fags on this board. all the youtubers and streamers left BB almost within release. No replayability once you beat it once or maybe twice.
>>334955082
this
can't believe their nerve. if people come here they need to integrate baka
>>334952395
Probably bait, but I still agree
>>334955195
it was dead within the first few months of release. not when ds3 came out. Ds 1 and even 2 was played for over a year, especially DS1
I thought dark souls 2 pvp was great, and honestly even though the pve wasnt polished and maybe repetitive it was also veryfun
>>334952395
DaS = BB > DS3 >DS2
I haven't played DeS, hoping for a remastered rerelease of something
>>334955038
I havent played any of the souls games except for 1 which I'm playing for the first time now, so take this with a grain of salt, but from what I can tell DaS2 isnt bad or anything its just not as good as the others. It's still a good game on its own, but when you compare it to the other games of course it pales in comparison.
DaS 3 = BB > DaS > DeS >>> DaS 2
BB > DaS1 > DeS
DaS3 is not yet in the list, I need to play more.
Das2 is not on the list because it's just a chinese fanmade.
>>334952395
I know this is bait, but I've played all 5 and still think DaS2 is the best and most mechanically unique souls game.
>>334955204
ok. so what you're saying is that you opinion is based off of youtube e-celebs and random faces on 4chan.
What makes Dark Souls re-playable and not Bloodborne? The game is practically the same archetype. Is it the lackluster multiplayer you're trying to critique?
>>334955678
this
exactly
DeS > DaS > BB > DaS3 > DaS2I haven't played any of them
DkS>DeS>DkS3=BB>DkS2:SOTFS>DkS2
>>334954763
DeS
>most bosses are piss easy
>dragon's god
>grass
>second chance
>world tendency
>less movesets
>item load
DaS 2
>soul memory
>ADP
>worst hitboxes in the series
>360° enemy tracking
>rubbish level design filled with enemy gangbangs and zero attention to detail
>incoherent world design
>unsinspired bosses and enemies
>bosses like Royal Rat Vanguard, Skeleton Lords, Executioner's Chariot
>floaty animations, running looks like ice skating
DaS = DaS 3 > BB > DeS > DaS 2
>>334955757
I don't think it's the best but I think it has the best mechanics. I also feel it handled backstabs appropriately and powerstancing was fucking awesome.ADP was a good idea and seeing panic babby rolls being overpowered again is lame as fuck. I love timing my rolls perfectly and reaping the benefits at 14
DaS > DeS > DaS2 > BB > DaS3
Thank goodness they're finally laying it down to rest, the shit is only getting worse.
>>334955763
I played it myself. i beat it 2 1/2 times i got too bored during the thitd playthrough. the whole e-celeb thing is just something else i noticed which showed that I wasnt the only one that felt that way. it had shitty multiplayer taking away the summon sign system, no real covenants that did anything, shit amount of weapon choices (and guns).
but yes its mostly because of the multiplayer for me, summoning and playing with others is what made dark souls fun, the whole invading in the forrest, doing covenant shit was no where to be found in BB.
The Chalice dungeons were a bore also. the only thing good about going through them was seeing some bosses they didnt have in the main story. speaking of multiplayer being shit, it was even worse inside a chalice dungeon
>>334955195
>The games are just too similar.
BB and DaS3?
Only but ONLY from the looks.
>>334955204
3 endings made me play it at least three times.
since bloodrocks were so rare I made many chars just to play with all the weapons.
And here's a point: People dislike the few weapons of BB but here each and everyone is so different from another, that it's worth starting new builds to try each one.
In DaS3 you already have 4 ultra Gs that share 1 moveset
well, then the dlc dropped and I played even more.
And I'm sure I will replay it again just as DeS.
I replayed DaS1 one time too much I guess.
>>334956203
How on earth is 3 the worst one?
>>334956359
>>334955763
also like i originally said, it wasnt a bad game, just wasnt the greatest the way people make it out to be. they hit and missed with the new shit they tried to do.
Dark Souls 1 is still the best
>>334955757
I can't wrap my head around this opinion.
Yeah it's just an opinion and DaS2 did a few things right but I just can't believe that someone would prefer it over DeS DaS(3) or BB.
>>334956389
Have you played it? Have you played the others?
You'll only understand if you answered yes to both the above questions. No point in posting a blog on /v/ to some shit who won't understand anyway.
>>334956515
False. 3 Improves on the formula in every possible way.
>>334956725
Except for PvP.
>>334956515
This is true.
>everything is connected with eachother
>decent balance
>everything feels in place
Meanwhile DaS2 was a bloated mess without direction yet more linear and DaS3 while having better direction is even more linear than DaS2 and also kinda feels like ''Assets for Bloodborne we couldn't use''
DS1 PTD>DeS>DS1>DS3>BB TOH>DS2 SOTFS>BB>DS2
>>334956203
>DaS3 worse than 2, at the bottom if the list
>BB worse than 2
From this list I now know:
You got stuck at Abysswatchers and watched a strean from there on.
You don't own a Ps4..
You are really gay.
>>334956640
Yes and yes. Don't be obtuse, just elaborate.
>le dark souls 2 is bad meme
I just beat it first time. It was incredible. Eat shit memers
>>334956640
Are you fucking dumb? Most people that have played the series love 3. Quit forcing your shit opinion on others.
gonna finally replay Des for the first time today once I get high as fuck.
What build should I go with? Last time I used the bastard sword and the black leather armour.
DeS=DaS>DaS3>DaS2
>>334952395
BB>DaS>DeS>DaS3>DaS2 DLC>>Cancer>DaS2
>>334956861
>once I get high as fuck
duuuude
weeeed
lmao
https://youtu.be/D8Yj_pCthek?t=28s
>>334956725
>linearity
>mobs
>straight sword bias
>fucked up poise
>easier rolling and dodging
>stat reallocation
>leveling up character and weapons barred behind two loading screens
>instant warping
>bleak environments
>level based opposed to connected world
>reused assets
>pandering everywhere
>bringing gimmick bosses back
You fucking retarded faggot cunt. Dark Souls III gave us charging R2 attacks and a plethora of useless weapon arts and the rest it copied and pasted from another games. It has no consistency, it's a clusterfuck.
>>334957014
>not getting high on annual weed day
it's like you're some kind of huge pussy
>>334954017
>>334954181
>>334954409
>>334954712
>>334954818
>>334954898
>>334954987
>>334955602
>>334955678
>>334955891
>>334955998
>>334956052
>>334956203
>>334956375
>>334956789
>>334956879
>Bloodborne
>souls game
After putting 50 hours in das3:
DS1 > DS2 > DS3
Most boring places, magic/pyro/miracles is so shit they can just remove it right now. Everything is grey/dark colors, the game is also too short and too easy.
>>334956515
DaS > All other FROM games
They'll never top it.
>>334955891
Do you just watch games on youtube and then shitpost about them?
>>334957208
What's so special about the 20/4?;^)
>>334957251
We have Mr. Special Snowflake
>>334956819
You're right that I don't own a PS4, because it's a trash system with no games. Didn't stop me from borrowing a friend's system to play BB. Thank fuck I didn't buy one too.
You know why he was okay with loaning it two me for nothing? Because it's not like he was even using it. There's nothing to play.
>>334957289
>/v/ is now filled with people this fucking young
time to leave
>>334956515
>Capra demon
>Lost Izaleth
>Bed of Chaos
>Ceaseless Discharge
>Wheel skeletons
Yeah no that game sucked.
>>334957267
So fucking agree. DS3 is trash. It should only be a few weeks now before the rest of /v/ realizes this.
>>334952395
DS2 > DS1 > DS3 > DES > BB
>>334957267
nice grey meme
>the "DaS2 is the worst thing ever" meme is still going
why and how?
>>334957587
hurr le no modern game is good!!! only my cobweb games are Goat
From was shit before Souls. Dont even deny this. Their best games were 7/10s at best
>>334957771
Not the worst thing ever.
The worst souls game.
Still a good game though.
>>334957289
Most other FROM games make the Souls series look like shit. That is assuming you underaged shits knew they had other series.
>>334957675
Switch 1 & 2 and drop 3 lower and I can get on board.
>>334957267
While DaSII may have some interesting concepts for levels, their actual design, for the most part, is trash. DaSIII's level design is far tighter overall.
>>334957829
Jesus fuck please be rusing
>>334957829
>AC is shit
Your opinion is shit.
>>334952395
I know its all bait, but I still find it hilarious how shit on DaS2 was all the way up until DaS3 came out, now 2 is gods gift to the world and 3 is shit incarnate
>>334957587
>muh armored core
>muh eternal ring
>anybody that rates DS2 as #1
>anybody that rates BB low
kill yourselves immediately
>>334957117
>linearity
Most open level design in the series. Dancer sequence break, choices after Road of Sacrifices and 4 optional areas. Nice meme.
>mobs
It has mobs? Holy shit.
>straight sword bias
Dark Souls was utterly broken at release.
>fucked up poise
Poise works mid animation. Sorry you can't faceroll the entire game with Havel's.
>easier rolling and dodging
Far more aggressive enemies.
>stat reallocation
What's wrong with this?
>leveling up character and weapons barred behind two loading screens
Level up women is a series staple.
>instant warping
All games have warping. There's nothing wrong with reducing backtracking.
>bleak environments
It's almost like it's a Souls game.
>level based opposed to connected world
Wrong, the world is connected except for the hub.
>reused assets
Literally every Souls game besides DeS.
>pandering everywhere
Nice hyperbole
>bringing gimmick bosses back
Nothing wrong wrong with gimmick bosses and they're like three.
Kill yourself.
>>334958037
How do you keep track of each anonymous persons opinions over time like that?
>>334958109
nah
I prefer bloodborne as my top, but DaS2 easily beats DaS1 in my book.
>>334954017
This nigga knows
>>334957627
>>334957627
>Capra Demon
git gud faggot
>Lost Izalith
git gud faggot
>Bed of Chaos
only valid complaint
>Ceaseless Discharge
git gud faggot
>Wheel Skeletons
git gud faggot. Also these are in 2 and 3 you fucking retard. Play a different series.
I don't understand why Dark Souls 3 is so dark and bloody, That's Bloodborne, not Souls. DS1/2 dIdn't even have any blood. At least DS2 had a unique style
>dem giants
>dem seas
>dem pirates and nords
>>334955002
>Ash Lake
>Dukes Archives
>Dragon covenant
>shit pvp
>twinking faggots
Scholar > DaS3 > DaS1
DaS3 it probably reign supreme when its DLC gets released
>>334958239
Your book is SHIT.
And it will not sell.
>>334958034
AC is average. It's technically impressive but the combat is trash
>>334958178
>kill yourself
No you. All your points are shit. Can't believe you put the effort into typing that bullshit.
>>334958505
Nice comeback.
>>334958373
There was blood in both DS1/2, not so much in 2, but 1 had plenty
Go riposte someone and watch the blood flow so thick it drops your frames
>>334958446
I hope DLC has more bright areas that look different. Everything is so gray and dark.
>>334956052
>>worst hitboxes in the series
>>360° enemy tracking
>>rubbish level design filled with enemy gangbangs and zero attention to detail
>>incoherent world design
>>unsinspired bosses and enemies
Sounds like Dark Souls lad. Agree on the floaty animations though.
>>334958373
People are buttmad that DaS2 had it's own standalone story (with the exception of Manus) instead of being a direct sequel like DaS3.
>>334958370
You're aware that everything after anal rodeo is largely unfinished, right? They ran out of budget. How the fuck you can defend Lost Izalith is beyond me.
>>334958505
>BTFO
>y-your points are shit
My sides
>>334958589
>nice comeback
>>334958502
You're a raging underaged faggot who needs to leave /v/.
>without DLC
DaS3 > BB > DeS > DaS1 >>> DaS2
>with DLC
BB > DaS1 > DaS3 > DeS >>> DaS2
Here is hoping the Dark Souls 3 dlc doesn't fall out of line it is also the best content of that game.
It could easily become the best Souls game.
>>334955694
>Chinese fanmade
I feel the exact same way. Something is off about it.
DaS3 > BB > DaS1 > SotfS > DaS2
>>334956359
this guy gets it, I felt the same exact way about Bloodborne
WHY THE FUCK IS IT RANKED SO HIGH
DS1 > DS3 > DeS > Katamari Damacy > BB > DS2
DaS>DaS 3>DaS2>DeS
I really should play through DeS again to be fair though it's been a while.
>>334958831
It was fucked over by changing directors and several things in production.
It is sort of weird that you have to teach videogamers and /v/ especially that the director matters.
Seems sort of obvious in every other medium.
The entire series is shit solely based on the fact that its created the most cancerous fanbase since Sonic.
>>334958884
Bloodborne's singleplayer was STRONK but only the first time or two through. It loses out on a lot of replayability due to being so linear and having such a "trying so hard to be obtuse" narrative.
>>334958780
>le he made fun of my favorite game so he must be underage!!
did i strike a chord? armored core combat is shit, terribly unbalanced since LX cannon > all and they removed hover legs with the new ones. You're calling me out but I bet you've only played 4 and up. Casual shitter
>>334958718
>replying to every line again rewording the arguments to be the other way around and posting an animu girl
Why waste my life
>>334959056
I don't know what you are talking about. I replayed bloodborne the most after the first initial playthrough.
And it basically instantly made it to my regularly replayed list.
>>334959093
Why do all of your quotes begin with "le"? Are you one of those posters, anon?
And I've been playing AC since MoA, mister hardcore. FA is commonly regarded to be one of the best despite 4's speed shift, which 5 and VD fucking everything up due to a multiplayer focus.
The fact that you're saying that the PS2 era is shit, though? Kill yourself.
DeS: 9.5
DaS: 9.5
AotA: 9.8
DaS2: 8.0
SotfS: 9.0
BB: 8.5
TOH: 9.0
DaS3: 8.0
There is no refuting this.
>>334959114
>reordering the words
>implying
You should clean the shit you have on your eyes retard bro.
>>334959114
>please don't address each of my points one by one with simple reasoning.
Not even that guy, but maybe you should stop wasting your life.
OK how do you guys really feel about dark souls 3? it's good, but I feel like I steamrolled all but 2 bosses who I eventually summoned for. Some of the quest lines and hidden areas are also stupidly out of the way or almost impossible not to find on a blind run. I have mixed feeling about it. Maybe I was just let down by excitement and hype again.
>>334959021
This is the first time I don't give a fuck.
I was irritated by people constantly complaining about the setting or the game being more action with bloodborne but with das3 I genuinely don't care about /v/ anymore.
Everyone on /v/ could hate das3 and I would still have fun with it. It could all just be me and bronies as the entire fanbase and I wouldn't care.
I am so sick of caring about anything other than the fucking videogame itself when it comes to liking a game.
Really wish 3 had kept a few things from 2. Mostly, powerstancing and the ability to get invaded without using an item.
>>334958884
>>334956359
sony fags is the reason
>>334958639
>you're aware
You're aware you're a condescending faggot I'm sure, and you're aware your taste and opinions and points are moot and shit. Go back toreddit you autistic piece of shit
>>334959434
>DaS2: 8.0
>SotFS: 9.0
Oh I am refuting that.
More like 6.0 and 6.0
>>334959578
Congrats on growing up. The last step is to leave here forever.
I'm still trying.
>>334957251
>>334957117
>bleak environments
>looks at Dark Souls 2
Yea-no. The architecture and environments in Dark Souls 3 are the highest point in the series.
>>334959434
>>334959434
I can live with that. I would take 2 points off for Dark Souls for a very uninspiring and rushed second half.
>>334959671
You literally can't. You cannot refute it. Nice try though.
>>334959836
But I just did.
>>334959656
Why are you so assblasted by well-known facts?
>condescending
And why is your ego so fragile on /v/ of all places?
>>334959836
>You literally can't.
You literally can't use literally right. IT'S AN OPINION.
>>334959434
>BB: 8.5
>SotFS: 9.0
yeah nah you're a fucking retard
>>334959867
You think you did, but you can't, so you didn't.
>>334959656
>condescending
Don't be so sensitive
>>334959927
It's not an opinion that the second half of DaS was rushed out the door too fast.
>>334959927
The definition of literally literally changed anon.
>>334959948
The logic checks out. Good work anon, let's go home everyone.
>>334959434
>SoTFS
>9
There's no refuting this, you're a retard.
As it stands right now
DaS2 has the best pvp in the series
>>334959656
So angry
>>334959939
Me being a retard has nothing to do with the fact that the above numbers are irrefutable. Cannot be refuted. You should google "non sequitur" anon
>>334960012
That is now how game development works.
The entire game was rushed out the door too fast.
It is just more noticable in later areas but if you know what you are looking for you can see all throughout the game.
>>334960131
What's wrong with the pvp in the third?
>>334960059
I know, anon.I refuse to acknowledge that it changed because retards couldn't use it right. Goddammit humanity.
>>334954898
This
>>334960215
>It is just more noticable in later areas but if you know what you are looking for you can see all throughout the game.
First half of DaS is literally perfect m8. Second half = meme
>>334956725
Not until they balance iiiiiit
Bloodborne >>>>>>>>>> DeS = DaS > DaS 3 >>> DaS 2
>>334960215
I don't know what I should be looking for.
What should I be looking for?
>>334960390
Everything that could use more work.
>>334958803
Is it fair to say despite being the worst souls game dark souls 2 was still good
>>334960131
After months of balancing patches. There's no removing the awful mechanic that soul memory is though.
>>334960363
"_____>>>>>>>>>>>>>_____"
Proof of autism and a cancerous opinion is in the ">>>>>"s
>>334960458
Such as?
I only played it once, years ago. Refresh my memory.
>>334960235
>straight sword: The game
>Sorceries are garbage
>pyromancies are garbage
>Armor virtually pointless
Im sure it will be better once the MLG pro 420 twitch streamers leave and a few patches are released though
>>334959746
>Reward for any bait posted with at least 10 words
That post only had 3 words, you dip
>>334960475
I wouldn't argue with that. There is a "power gap" between das2 and the rest like I posted but It was still a good game.
>>334960475
2 is better that Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, and Dark Souls III though.
>>334960235
Not him, but name it.
Ganksquads out the wazoo, absurd weapon imbalance, R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1, etc. It'll hopefully be polished and patched as time goes on. DaS2 did this and it had pretty good PvP nearing the later half of its life).
>Dark Souls 3 doesn't have the best looking armor in the series, Heide Knight
Fucking unreal.
Dark Souls really isn't more than a 8 at best.
And even that is generous.
>Bed of Chaos
>Moonlight Butterfly
>Gaping Dragon
>Crystal Caves
>Demon Ruins
>>334960530
You don't even have to go past character creation.
The stats being "cleaned" up so they are all balanced. Just look at pyromancer.
First thing that comes to mind when I mentally replay das1.
>>334960812
an 8 is a good game
Fuck das2 is a 6 and I still would say it is a good game.
Literally above average.
Any music that stood out in this game? I can't remember anything great. Everything was bland with a ton of choir noise. Like the composer didn't even try.
>>334960930
5 is not average.
>>334961016
smough and ornstein music was great
too bad it became a meme
>>334961061
Yeah, 8 is. Thanks for reminding me about modern gaming journalism.
>>334961016
Which one? DaSII?
The only themes I can recall immediately are the Skeleton Lords and the Ivory King theme.
>>334954409
this, tbqh
DS3 has the potential to be as good as DS1 at least if it has stellar DLC
i don't think it will though since bamco is rushing from to get it out for the $$$
>>334961061
Technically 5.5 I guess in a 1-10 chart were you don't use the 0.
Its 5 if you use the 0/10 though.
>>334952395
DaS=DeS>BB>DaS3>>DaS2
>>334961182
>>334961083
I mean 3, sorry
>>334960930
I think it is important that we all recognize that all the games in the series are good games. Hell, I would rather play the worst Souls game than almost any other major release we get these days.
DaS=DeS>DaS3>BB>DaS2
>>334961016
You mean besides Majula, Fire Keeper's place, Nashandra, Longing(credits) and probably more thatI'm more forgetting? soundtrack was great
>>334958635
this is objectively wrong
if you actually bothered to play DS1 you'll see there is basically no 360 tracking. enemies choose a direction to attack and stick with it. there isn't a single enemy that pivots and changes attack angle in midair to kill you like in DS2.
and it had a coherent world design. there wasn't any "elevator goes up to a magma castle" horseshit like in DS2.
and barely any of the DS1 bosses were dudes in armor with swords. i can only name one and it was artorias.
>>334958178
>Most open level design in the series. Dancer sequence break, choices after Road of Sacrifices and 4 optional areas. Nice meme.
Sure. In DS2 you had 4 different paths right from the start which you could do in any order. And then you could get to Lost Bastile in two completely independent ways. Or you could skip all that shit and just farm 1kk SM and go straight to Drangelic Caste. But even if you go for all 4 great souls the game still had way more (and bigger) optional areas than DS3. And that's DS2. I don't even want to start comparison with DS1.
>>334961320
That doesn't mean we have to lower our standards.
The thing with das2 is that maybe it is better than some other games. But there are worse games I would rather play because with das2 I have a better alternative in every other souls game to play.
>>334961370
>everytime I try to hear Majula in my head, I hear Gwyn's theme instead and am immediately happier
>Don't even remember any of that other stuff
I mean, you can like what you like and all, but I disagree.
BB >>> DaS = DeS > DaS III >>> DaS II
>>334961465
smough, ornstein, gwyn???
you're right theres not many but how is artorias the only one that came to mind?
DaS > DeS > DaS3 > BB >DaS2
>mfw all these BB > DaS3 posters
>>334961465
coherent world design in dark souls 1?
did you play after anor londo
kill yourself
>>334961769
People like a different setting.
Not everyone can only play games with dragons and knights.
>>334961707
iron golem as well
that guy is memeing
bb>1>des>3>2
>>334961769
DaS3 is shit though.
>>334961769
BB was a great break from Knights and shit. That's the main reason I rank it over DaS3. I'm so burned out on Medieval fantasy at this point.
I would like everyone in this thread to explain this.
>>334961126
That has nothing to do with journalism.
You simply can't say that a number is the hard average value.
10 = Masterpiece - Nearly if not flawless - The next step of evolution - Revolutionary
9 = Very Good - Next to no flaws - Overall a great experience
8 = Mostly Good - The big majority of the game is enjoyable but there are some minor parts that keep the game from reaching real greatness
7 = Good - It's a solide experience that entertains most people still very well even with one or two bigger flaws.
6 = Okay - The game has quite some flaws but overall it still is a pretty nice experience that is worth recommending - Maybe not for everyone but it has its audience that will still enjoy it
5 = Mediocre - This is the bare minimum - Below this line you fail class. Enjoyment is still there but overall its pretty bland and forgetable.
4 = Weak - The game has flaws that disrupt the player hard enough to make him not like this game. Some people might still find some appeal here but only for little factors that only interest them.
3 = Bad - This game is bad. It's either a complete design failure or so filled with bugs and broken that its near impossible to enjoy. Well, unless you like playing bad games for some reason.
2 = Very Bad - Pretty much unplayable garbage or something so offensive that its making news with its awfulness.
1 = Unredeemable Garbage - Hard to even call it game - Probably just a few lines of messy code that doesn't make any sense.
>>334962035
Critics are idiots or paid or both.
>>334962035
/v/ being contrarian as the usual.
As original game releases:
DaS3>DaS>BB>DeS>DaS2
With the DLC
OH>=AotA>DaS3>DaS2dlc>DaS>BB>DeS>DaS
DaS3 has continually fantastic and large level design with sprawling paths and loads of shortcuts with interesting items and rewards laid everywhere in an actual coherent fashion.
The bosses all feel unique from one another, have multiple phases, great atmospheres and music that transitions with phases and feels unique for every boss, adding another layer to the atmosphere.
The pvp is great, has variety and works very smoothly unlike DaS1, DeS or BB on launch.
The NPC's having varying and branching questlines with some very memorable moments and well written lines that give NPC's their own flavour, whether it be siegward's continuation of the catarina knight's pondering shenanigans (and his excellent cutscene with Yhorm, "Yhorm... Old friend"), Ludleth's unique presence as the only lord of cinder willingly remaining present and his very regal eloquent dialouge, leonhard's devotion to rosaria to the point he kills her and steals her soul so you can't corrupt it, hawkwood's breaking away from the traditional crestfallen status to become a dragon warrior, patches dickishness at the cathedral, the handmaiden at untended graves, actually making irina a firekeeper, oceiros's descent into madness
>>334961856
>>334962028
>unironically giving a fuck about le atmosphere in a souls game
>>334958178
>b-but dark souls 1
i thought game series were supposed to improve with every release.
and DS3 is the most linear souls game so far. in DeS, DS1 and DS2 you could go wherever you wanted from the very beginning of the game. in bloodborne you had access to most optional areas from very early on. in DS3 you are railroaded into going down a certain straight path from high wall of lothric to irithyll and beyond. there's no alternate paths there - it's a one way shot.
the faster, more aggressive enemies strongly favor mobility and faster weapons. this makes slower weapons and more defensive play useless. i thought the souls games were about build variety? DS3 forces you to go dex if you wanna stand a chance in PvP or against most enemies and late game bosses.
DS3 also has the fewest amount of new items and enemies out of every prior soulsbourne game.
>>334962073
>You simply can't say that a number is the hard average value.
Numbers have hard averages
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10
55
Divided by 10
5.5
Literally the average 5.5
Again if you do use the 0 too you have to divide it by 11 and then the average is 5.
That is literally how averages work.
>>334962035
you need someone to explain one of the worst ports to PC ever?
>>334962035
Dark Souls was never really hailed as a "masterpiece" or anything as /v/ likes to claim, It wasn't until all the plebs who never played DeS started playing it that this idea of it somehow being a 10/10 game came about.
>>334962218
How do you ironically give a fuck about atmosphere?
>>334962261
You can't rate games like that. Thats what i mean.
Because thats like saying the average student in school is 1+2+3+4+5+6 divided by 6.
>>334962218
yes, i too wish the game was just black and white wireframes so i could practice my souls skills with no distractions
One thing I really hated in DS3 compared to SotFS. Barely any orange signs and blood puddles.
In SotFS you could find signs everywhere, it was really fun reading and trying to decipher them. "Item, right", "Misery ahead", "Now the real battle begins". It's like having friends communicating with you. And every mimic or trap was surrounded by blood stains. You knew something is wrong when you saw so many people dying in one place.
In DS3 you see one sign every 10 minutes. One random blood stain in random place. Even boss rooms had maybe 2-3 stains total.
>>334961707
>swords
gwyn didn't have armor
nice try famalam
>>334962440
That is how numbers work if you want them to be represent anything.
Its not that you say for example you take an IQ of 100 and whoever gets that is the average.
You measure intelligence and whatever the average you find you define that as 100.
>>334961707
>>334961917
>o&s
>iron golem
"sword"
O&S was a good boss. You can't say that Ornstein was identical to Smough; they both had different movesets, timings, and weaknesses (fire vs. lightning). O&S was also a good boss because you could literally choose how you wanted the second half of the boss fight to go, simply by choosing who to kill first. I don't think it was "uninspired" at all, considering that there was lore behind their being there as well.
The Iron Golem was uninspired compared to O&S, I'll admit. I did like how you could knock him off the ledge though. But, he was less of a "Dude with Sword" boss simply because of how you had to fight him.
DaS is not a game inundated with "guys with swords."fuck, that was longer than I thought it was
>>334961805
things still made sense in terms of world design, retard. look at a e3 map of DS1 vs DS2 and you'll see that DS1 makes sense spatially and DS2 overlaps on itself constantly
>>334962639
Are you sure you haven't fucked up your online somehow?
There are signs and blood puddles EVERYWHERE
>>334962639
they went back to the shitty ds1 co op system. I can't fucking summon any of my friends it's so retarded. (even with password)
DS2 wasnt great but at least B team fixed the co-op system.
>>334962809
>go through tower.
>it is suddenly knight
how does Havel's tower for example make any sense?
Also if you actually had looked at a real das1 map you would've seen that the ash lake overlaps with other areas.
>>334961568
Nashandra is basically "you are literally fucked" music
Longing is a seriously perfect way to end the game
The rest is harder to remember but so is Dark Souls 1 for me
>>334962225
>wall
>kill dancer
>lothric castle
>consumed kings gardens
>untended graves
>wall
>undead settlement
>swamp
>cathedral of the deep
>swamp
>farrons keep
>carthus
>smouldering lake
>carthus
>cathedral of the deep
>irithyll
>carthus
>catehdral of the deep
>smouldering lake
etc.
>Irithyll
>anor londo
>irthyll dungeons
>profaned capital
>irithyll
>irihyll dungeons
>profaned capital
>anor londo
>high wall
>castle
>untended graves
>dragon gesture
>etc.
>irithyll
>irithyll dungeons
>archdragon peak
>etc.
>le dark souls 3 is le linear game lelele amicoolyet?
>>334952395
>>334962513
nice strawman
For real though BB has the shittest level designs of all and half the game looks exactly the same
>inb4 muh atmosphere
The pvp is also garbage and there's pretty much no build variety
It's not even a real souls game.
Conclusion: DaS3 > BB, this is not subjective
>>334963285
BB has great level design what the fuck are you talking about?
Or are we including the chalice dungeons?
Because then I am probably on your side but I largely ignored them after I got the platinum trophy.
>>334963030
and what areas connect to each other? compared to even a place like cathedral ward in the second most linear souls game, it connects to fucking SEVEN other areas, with most of them accessible from very early on. in DS3 there is an occasional branch that takes you to a single optional area that is removed from the other areas. what does archdragon peak connect to? what does the undead settlement connect to? what about the profaned capital?
almost every area in bloodborne has several connections. the ones that don't are the exception.
>>334963030
Name me a single location you can get to in two different ways.
Like you can go to Blighttown though Burg or Valley of Dragons in DS1.
Or you can go to Lost Bastile through Hiede or using eagle from Forest of Giants.
All your paths are just minor branches and they are nothing compared to variety you get in DS1 (catacombs, New Londo, Parish, Valley of Drakes) and DS2 (4 great souls paths) right from the start.
>>334963285
central yharnam alone has better level design than every other DS3 area.
in DS3, later areas devolve into DS2-esque hallways with zero exploration or looping design. the only area that even comes close to old yharnam or central yharnam's design is the undead settlement. that's it.
i'm so sick of these fucking pckeks thinking that bloodborne sucks just because it isn't on their platform of choice. console war kiddies are killing this industry.
>>334952395
rating the games is pointless
if anything but DaS2 is rated worst, then your list is (rightly) written off as bait
DeS, DaS1, and BB are all good and what order you prefer them in is subjective
so really the whole point of the list is whether you put DaS3 towards the top or the bottom.
instead of typing out all of those >, you may as well just say "i liked DaS3" or "i didn't like DaS3" since that's the only thing that's really going to differ
>>334963723
>DaS3 sucks because it is also on PC
>console war kiddies are killing this industry.
You could remove one of them by killing yourself.
>>334964228
Can we really compare DaS3 to BB and DaS1 yet?
Considering the DLC in both was the best content by far.
>>334963723
Cathedral of the deep, irithyll, irithyll dungeon, lothric castle.
All areas around about the same quality as central yharnam imo.
And to be truthful, I think the rest of the areas after central yharnam and cathedral ward are all bollocks.
>>334963406
Nightmare of mensis, nightmare frontier,, lecture theatre, upper cathedral ward, castle cainhurst, byrgenwerth, hemwick lane, cathedral ward
Yahargul isn't exacty fantastic either, with the old yharnam route being blocked by a ledge backwards, and the bagmen being a non-direct connection
It seems that you are mistaken, quite significantly so.
>>334964853
I should note that the cathedral ward isn't a bad area by any means in terms of connection, rather the progress route is definitively linear
>>334957289
But they already have. Twice.
>>334964334
even DaS2's dlc it seems is pretty widely considered to be good/worth playing
>>334963723
It goes both ways, fag. Ever since DS3 came out it's been nothing but "DS3 IS SHIT BLOODBORNE IS STILL THE BEST FUCK PC".
>>334952395
DaS3 > DaS > BB > DeS > DaS2
DaS2>DeS>BB>DaS>DaS3
>>334961465
>guys with swords meme
this shit needs to fucking die. it's a fucking cancer on the discussion of this series
Dudes with swords are, and have always been, the most fun bosses in these games. Ever since Demon's Souls everybody knew that. False King vs. Adjudicator. Which is more fun? You fucking know which is more fun, it's the badass king with a fucking wind sword, not the fat asshole with a bird head.
But then Dark Souls 2 came out and it became the hot pithy critique that every jackass who was too lazy to actually analyze the game could break out to explain why it was supposed to suck.
>>334966120
Because they all have the same 3 hit movesets ending with a overhit you evade and then attack that opening.
They don't just look similar they FEEL similar
Even if you don't think the critique is nuanced enough it is clear what everyone is talking about.
And if you are not an asshole you try to actually understand what someone is trying to tell you instead of focusing on semantics.
This is not a professional critic forum.
Nobody owes you perfect reviews.
>>334966495
>Because they all have the same 3 hit movesets ending with a overhit you evade and then attack that opening.
And in DS1 they all had only one hit. You block it with shield, they get stunned for a short period of time, you hit them. Rolling and evading? Why would you need to do it in DS1?
>>334966935
that is simply not true about das1.
>>334967036
>enemies have 3 strike combo ending with a overhit
This is simply not true about das2.
I didn't even know it's so easy to counter someone's arguments.
>>334967284
Well Mr. Debate Club I don't really care if I actually convince you.
There is no cure for bad taste.
>>334966495
No, I don't see your point. I always interpreted the complaint about "guys in armor with swords", as being a complaint towards the variety of types of bosses, not a complaint about the bad combat design of the bosses.
To me, the opposite of "guys in armor with swords" would be more adjudicators and dragon gods and moonlight butterflies and gaping dragons. More gimmick bosses/big lumbering piles of shit that can't move properly so you whack at its toes.
>>334967653
>No, I don't see your point
So you are stupid and not arrogant.
Again what do you want here? I never made the "too many guys in armor" argument. You can keep shitposting it is not going make me see das2 as great and das1 as shit.
>>334961202
>DS3 has the potential to be as good as DS1 at least if it has stellar DLC
Oh, fuck off. DLC doesn't make a game.
>>334967881
Are you new to souls?
DLC has been the best content in every single game so far.
>>334952395
I'd put BB in front of DaS3 but I agree with this, assuming you mean scholar and not vanilla DaS 2
Best:
Dark Souls with DLC, Bloodborne with DLC
Top:
Dark Souls 3, Dark Souls, Bloodborne
Good :
Demons Souls, Dark Souls 2 with DLC
Alright:
Dark Souls 2
>>334954763
>I will never understand peoples fascination with Dark Souls 1
A few hints
>coherent world building, you also have to tackle on this world by exploring, you go on a journey, you can level while travelling, the pace is perfect it's all about the adventure and mind mapping the world rather than teleporting everywhere.
>covenants are built into the world, and strongly related to the story of the game itself.
>most memorable NPCs in the series and their questlines mostly followed the path of the player.
>overall god-tier character/enemy designs.
>lots of variety in environments and atmospheres.
It's also the game that served as a strong base for the series, that simply added content on it.
Demon's Souls for example felt like it couldn't handle being its own series.
DaS > DaS3 = DeS >>> DaS2
>>334967881
DaS is garbage outside of anor londo, the best part about it is the DLC
same with DaS 2 which had the best DLC, BB was garbage until old hunters
DeS is overrated nostalgia fueled fan faggotry
>>334968198
>>most memorable NPCs in the series and their questlines mostly followed the path of the player.
DaS3 npcs and questlines are better.
>>334968339
>DaS3 npcs and questlines are better.
DaS3 is linear but yet it asks you to backtrack areas you've already finished, for no other reason that to progress an NPC questline.
That's fucking retarded. In past Souls at least most of the NPCs followed the progression path of the player or were at areas the player had an incentive to revisit so it felt natural to do it.
>>334968642
Most of the NPCs still follow natural progression. There is not more backtracking in das3 than in das1 for example.
Dark Souls 2 did NOTHING right for a Souls game except PVP. The worlds were boring an uninspired. The NPCs weren't interesting in the slightest. Every fucking enemy or boss was a humanoid with a weapon that hack permanent lock-on, making many attacks outright unavoidable without blocking even if you knew their attack patterns.
It had good PVP though, but that doesn't actually matter because if you play Souls games for PVP you are literal cancer.
>>334952395
very unpopular opinion, but I agree 100%
>powerstancing
>better character movement
>better weapon/armor variety
>better weapon movesets
>god tier DLCs
>best OST, atmosphere and aesthetic
>best ending
I don't understand why people say DaS2's DLC redeems it.
It's the exact same uninspired shit as the rest of the game, you could shove these areas into the base game and you wouldn't be able to notice any difference in quality. Unless you consider stuff like cool ranch smelter and horse-fuck valley to be top of the line content.
>>334969524
Woah buddy. Nobody is saying the DLC redeems it.
It is just better than the rest of the game.
>>334954556
>>334954867
better equip that Jester Set memesters
