Dark Souls III Endings
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OK, what's the true ending and the BEST ending for Dark Souls III? Clearly it isn't linking the flame of killing the Fire Keeper, so is it The End of Fire or The Usurpation of Fire?
Which one is the true ending of the cycle and which one is just the Age of Dark which would repeat the cycle all over again?
the one where you dont wear havels set like a bitch and git gud faggot
The one whereyou let the fire fade and hopefully put an end to the endless cycle of pain and pointless struggle
Edgelord ending is my personal favourite.
Though I dunno if that's the 'best'.
>>334945851
>inb4 that ending spawns a "seriously, not a souls game" developed by from
>>334945579
The one you get when you finish all the DLC and do something at Flameless Shrine.
I've only gotten Lord Of Hollows and it better be the definitive ending after everything it takes to get.
>>334946047
I think it would be beautiful to end the saga with this. DaS3 was a great game, albeit the multiplayer has a lot to polish but hopefully future patches will help.
This is the ending I hoped for, one where you don't simply let the fire fade like in I and II, but youput it out. The world may have finally ended in nothingness, and with the nothingness it has reached peace. It's pessimistic but it's ideal for the "struggle in vain" concept of the saga.
>>334946015
Which of the edgelord endings?
>>334946198
>getting rused by Yuria when she's clearly a Darkwraith and servant to Kaathe and ushering in the Age of Dark all over again
>>334946590
All that shit was a lot more involved than the Dark Lord ending in 1, there's definitely more to it than that.
>>334946692
Nope. You just fell for Kaathe's ruse cruise. Way to go faggot.
>>334945851
>Figure out you can wander around during those last moments
>No blind wanderings in the dark because it ends in a few seconds
A shame.
>>334946828
>implying Kaathe isn't the one who's always told the truth
>>334946865
I like to imagine the ashen one and the firekeeper sitting together in the absolute darkness, waiting for their death.maybe, desperately, embracing each other
>>334946865
There's a reason for that, you get a different ending if you attack the Firekeeper during that.
>>334947008
I would have never tried that.
I expected some sorta scene like the ending to Earthbound 3 where you can wander in darkness and talk to people.
>>334946440
you sound like you're nihilistic, intelligent, with a wicked sense of humor
>>334947179
No everything that deals with the pointlessness of life is edgy, anon.
>>334946921
You guys should feed off manus primeval man.
>>334946590
>Implying the age of dark isn't the best chance for humanity to rise.
>forgetting that Hollow is humanity's true form
Scholar of the first Sin you are not
>>334946921
>yeah sure man, darkstalker always working for the good of man nigga, forget about Oolacile that was a prank bro! could've been ANY serpent!
>>334946921
>implying Kaathe doesn't twist the truth to suit his own ambitions
Both Frampt AND Kaathe are manipulating you. Rejecting both the Age of Fire and the Age of Dark is the way to go.
Linking the Fire again is fucking dumb since there's only embers left and the next cycle will begin again not long afterwards.
Usurping the Fire through Yuria's quest may seem like the way to go, but Yuria is implied to be a servant of Kaathe so becoming the Lord of Hollows would simply make you a puppet of Kaathe. Not to mention you end upsacrificing Anri, so that's clearly you succumbing to evil.
Killing the Fire Keeper is the most blatant evil ending since you would become a Dark Lord and end up doing exactly what Kaathe wanted you to do. This is just more blatant while Usurping the Fire is more veiled.
Putting an end to the cycle once and for all by having the Fire Keeper deliberately put the First Flame out seems like the best ending.
In previous Souls games, you can let the fire die, but it said nothing about purposely putting it out.
Letting the flame go out on its own is like letting it go dormant and start up again years later like a phoenix.
Removing its very essence through the Fire Keeper and willfully killing the flame is what would finally bring an end to the cycle.
>Just completed the game for the second time >missed all the side quest shit again
I help onion knight and he falls asleep, and that's the last I see of anyone.
>>334947763
>Hollow is humanity's true form
>>334948204
HE WAS IN THE FUCKING WELL BY THE CATHEDRAL BONFIRE. HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU MISS THAT?
>>334948368
To be fair you have no reason to go back thete after opening the huge doors triggering him and Patches
>>334948368
Pretty easily.Fuck you Patches.
>>334948523Patches didn't kill him, he's still in the well waiting for his armor
>>334948368
He isn't there the first time you go past there, only after you open some of the shortcuts in the cathedral and by that point you have no reason to walk past the well other than to check if there is npc there at that random point in time.
>>334948523
He's not dead moron. He's hiding in the well because he's naked.
>>334948720
Oh.
Patches is still a dick then selling his clothes.
>>334948173Anri is kneeling to you in the Usurp the Fire ending next to one of the Yurias.
>>334948173
Too bad it's implied that even THAT isn't a solution since the fire would just reignite.
Where the fuck was Aldia? He was the only one who found a way to fix this bullshit.
>>334948781
That's why you kill Patches (after pardoning him first) to get Onion's armor back for free.
>>334948276
Most item descriptions seems to allude to that.
Red Eye Orb
>The Darkwraiths of Kaathe use this orb to seek humanity and plunge further into dark. Perhaps they are more human than we?
Also Furtive Pigmy, humanity's ancestor, got the "dark" soul, humanities are shards of the dark souls, etc.
Humans are pretty much the bad guys in this setting. It's a bit weird, in most stories it's humans who represent "fire" (and thus craftsmanship/discovery) but here it's the opposite.
What do the Eyes of the Firekeeper make the Fire Keeper see that's so horrible?
>>334948869
>Zombie Anri is kneeling to you in the Usurp the Fire ending next to one of the Yurias.
FTFY
>>334948869
Holy fuck, you are right
>>334949047
>>334948869
Is it? I thought that was just Yuria and her two other sisters?
>>334949021
You.
>>334948883
The Pontiff is Aldia
>>334949047
Shit i missed that nice touch From.
>>334949021
your face
>>334949160
That is some weapons grade bullshit there son.
>>334949021
The world where the fire goes out. Thats the one she creates in one of the endings
>>334949116
Oh no, you can clearly see Anri. But it's most likely just an Undead and Hollow husk of Anri since you completely stripped her Humanity away after you sacrificed her.
Don't turn your Astorian Knight waifu into zombie. Unless you're into necrophilia, in which case I say fuck you.
>>334949021
PS4 version framerate
I just want an ending where I can destroy the world and free everyone from their painful existence.not even trying to be edgy, I mean at this point there's clearly no saving the Earth(?)
>>334949271
Most of the speculations are. Btw Andre is Gwyn's first born son
So what actually happens in the douchebag ending? do you just steal the fire and what then?
>>334949547
Put the fire out. World ends.
>>334949479
Anri is a full blown hollow before the ceremony. Literally a corpse.
>implying the endless cycle on invasions, trolling and violence isn't the best ending
>>334949576
You mean where you kill the Fire Keeper? Yeah, you become a Dark Lord and start the cycle all over again.
>>334945579
The one where you put your boot on that bitch's face. I don't even understand what the implications of it are, I just love how absurdly malicious and dastardly it is.
>>334948204
I'm using a guide next time I play. I saw Siegward exactly once, when you first see him in the elevator. I didn't find Patches until I bought the Tower key. I saw Anri at the woods, then firelink, then catacombs, then he was dead with a sword in his face in Darkmoon tomb, and I killed Hodrick in Smouldering Lake without knowing what his deal was. The chick who says things about the moon and the invader cunt stopped by a couple times in firelink, the pyromancer was there ONCE, the Yuria the Witch rehash never showed up, Astraea/Rhea rehash just chilled and Garl Vinland showed up once and left. Those are the only NPCs I found. I accomplished NOTHING with any of them, and I have no idea how others do.
>>334949628
She's Hollowing, but not a full Hollow as she still retains her Humanity, which you strip from her completely after you sacrifice her. She's suffering and you want to make her suffer even further by turning her into a husk? Fuck that shit.
>>334949789
REEEEEEEDDIT
http://zkjellberg.github.io/dark-souls-3-cheat-sheet/
where did Frampt and Kaathe go?
>>334949789
Oh, and Grierat did nothing because I figured sending him out would either get him killed or get some NPC on my bad side after he stole from them.
>>334949628
>Steel helm of Horace the Hushed, who took a liking to its cold, bulky insides.
>The original owner was said to be a corrupt executioner, who was killed and stripped of his armor.
>Horace is one of only two children to escape Aldrich's clutches.
Does Aldrich have anything do with Horace and Anri's state?
>>334948970
I think human are not bad guys, more like thinks than can become anything. The are hollows after all so they can be filled with anything. They can take souls of lords, dark souls, shape into dragon or demon. Humans are just potential, not final form
>>334949961
Yep. Alternate quest for Anri has you killing Aldrich with her.
Another thing of note, they're not from Astora. Anri only took the title because it inspired hope in her.
>>334949796
I killed Yuria, helped Anri kill Aldrich and then killed her. Still seemed better than stabbing her in the face and turning into king edgelord.
>>334945579
>best ending
Who gives a shit? The story and the endings in these games are ALWAYS shit.
You play them for the gameplay and worldbuilding.
>>334947150
Much like that ending, it's very unclear if you just killed the world or saved it.
Today is Mother 3s 10th anniversary btw.
>>334949940
They're around. I fully expect to see Kaathe in the DLC.
And honestly, knowing what we know now about the Fire/Dark cycle, we'll probably get confirmation that the Primordial Hydra theory was true all along.
>>334949789
Yeah it pretty much impossible to finish NPC storyline without a guide.
Siegward of Catarina shows up in the location you already cleared and have no reason to go back to, same for the other NPCs.
>>334948173
Fucking this. Both Frampt and Kaathe want to postpone the End of the World but in ways that are more beneficial towards their goals.
Basically the Age of Fire vs. the Age of Dark is just a territorial pissing contest between two lizards, but both don't want the world to end because they would die too.
The End of Fire finally puts the world to rest when the world should've ended years ago. It's the best ending since you give both Frampt and Kaathe the middle finger and finally let the world and all of its inhabitants rest in peace.
All the other endings will just continue the cycle, postpone the world's end, and make your character part of the gestalt being that is the Soul of Cinder.
>>334945579
Any ending but linking the fire.
I'm into necrophilia so usurping the fire just sort of happened.
What's the difference between rejecting to link the Fire and usurping the flame? I mean the age of dark comes with both of them. Is the main difference just that in one you fuck off and leave everyone to their own devices, while in the usurp ending you became the ruler of the hollows?
>>334948507
I think they expect you to use the opened front entrance of the cathedral to climb down the ladder in the graveyard and drop into the bonfire room. Returning through the graveyard as well. This would lead you right past Siegward, and returning to the cathedral this way is also how you'd get Patches to show up dressed as him. The problem is that the place's shortcuts are poorly designed, and there's absolutely no reason to use that shortcut when the one you just opened up a minute earlier is faster.
Somebody tell me what usurping the fire does, and what killing the fire keeper does.
>>334950601
>tfw used the lake to get around because fuck the enemies in the streets
>>334950467
>All the other endings will just continue the cycle, postpone the world's end
Why does everyone treat continuing the cycle and postponing the world's end as "something bad"? People get born, people die, life itself is cyclical.
If our world was ending I'm pretty sure humanity would do its best to postpone it, even if it meant restarting the big bang or something.
Also ending the world to give the middle finger to Kaathe and Frampt is like being on a trip in the desert and throwing away all the water just because reddit is also traveling with you.
>>334950467
>>334948173
Putting the fire out is ending it all.
Where the fun in that?
You could just as well commit seppuku and die now.
>>334949789
>never even found patches at all because i bought the tower key way early on
The NPCs in this game were some grade A bullshit.
>>334950850
Both turn you into king edgelord and you start the cycle all over again.
>>334948173
>>334950467
The end of fire ending straight up says shit will just start again. It's always a cycle, all endings will eventually lead to the return of fire just as the fire sprang from nothing originally. The only difference is who's in power for a while. Whose age it is.
>>334951351
No it fucking doesn't. The Fire Keeper just said that she envisioned small embers across a huge distance of darkness. She was being poetic and saying that even at the end of the world there's still hope.
>>334948368
Its easy to miss if you cleared the cathedral area before Siegward ends up in the well.
Happened to me.
>Muh never ending cycle
>Muh let it end once and for all
What a fucking defeatist stance. Actual human history is also an ebb and flow of good eras and bad eras, does that justify destroying humanity because "fuck the cycle"?
As far as I understand
>Link the Fire
>keeps the world from dying just a little bit longer
>The End of Fire
>another Dark Age begins but it clearly says that fire will come back
>Usurpation of Fire
>ends the cycle completely and making the Fire Darkmaybe anyways, you can see the sun starting to shine again but still being dark
>Ashen One... heareth thou my voice still?
Best ending.
>>334951595
Dark Souls history isn't actual human history you fucking moron. It's humanity getting manipulated by two serpents. Letting the world end allows you to turn the tables on both serpents and not get led on anymore.
>>334951659
>keeps the world from dying just a little bit longer
That was literally word by word the same thing that happened in DaS1. And then in DaS2 again. And now in DaS3. And probably would have been in DaS4 if this wasn't the last game in the series.
How long is "a little bit longer"? Because the fire sure doesn't seem to want to stay put.
>>334951505
And ash seeks embers, and will inevitably go link the fire.
I still dont get why the usurp the fire path is by LETTING the assassin get anri
Shouldn't it be the other way around, considering the former will happen even if you're completely unaware of the assassin's existance
>>334951830
>Letting the world end allows you to turn the tables
No, you actually just kill everyone. This is your "good" end. This ending pleases no one.
>>334951948
Ash is usually the byproduct of embers, this proverb confuses me.
>>334950467
This. People are reading into too many angles.
The ages went
>Ash (Dragons)
>Fire (Lords, the initial Great Souls)
>Dark (Humans, the Dark Soul).
Humans were meant to inherit the world after the age of Fire - but Gwyn (not wanting to die) committed the FIRST SIN by linking the Flame to HUMANITY while offering his soul as tinder.
This is why humans begin to hollow and are unable to die (cursed) when the fire begins to go out - it drains them of their energy/souls in order to keep burning.
In both DS1 (and DS2 with the Emerald Herald) they want you to link the Fire so that they can finally die.
But Aldia (and Vendrick) realized that its all a farce - humans were screwed out of their destiny. The Fire is entirely reliant upon humans which is why it raises Unkindled as its last resot when its barely burning anymore.
To link the fire gives a few years/decades of peace. Allows the Lords to keep living (or at least used to), and it allows humans to die.
Until the fire begins to fade away again.
To get jewed/listen to the Serpents means to KEEP humanity in its Slave-Like hollow state, one that the Serpents would likely use for their own gain.
PUTTING out the flame is the best option. It returns the natural order. It undoes what Gwyn did - it removes Humanity from the flame. Allowing the Dark Soul to have its time and its own age.
Dark Souls 3 is all about Cycles trying to have their own existence redeemed and resisting the natural flow - it even seems that the Dragons are returning (with those skeleton-ashen dragon forms), since the world is turning gray and Light+Dark is fighting so much that they are blurring and thus "Grey" (this is my own speculation however.)
Critique/Other Theories are welcome. I'm glad this game finally gave the option to END the flame (via a Fire Keeper)
>>334951830
>Life isn't perfect
>IT ALL HAS TO END
>>334951829
>suddenly he steps out of a grave
>Dark Souls 3 is Groundhog Day
>>334949558
Nameless King is Gywn son.
When does this game take place, and is it during an age of dark?
>>334952303
More like the age of dim.
>>334951659
>>334952303
The end of an age of fire where the fire hasn't been linked in a long ass time. That's why an Unkindeled has to wake up
>>334948173
>sacrificing anri
>a bad thing
Bitch is useless
>>334951659
Except the Age of Dark is more aptly named the Age of Men since it's Mankind, the Hollows, taking control, which is what happens in the Usurpation of Fire and killing the Fire Keeper endings respectively.
Usurpation may seem like a compromise between both sides, but in reality it's a lie and just ushers in the Age of Dark all over again.
Ending the Fire is the best end since it ends the cycle once and for all. And no, it doesn't mean that the Age of Fire will come back. The Fire Keeper was just being poetic like I said here: >>334951505
>>334952121
You forget that everyone is ALREADY DEAD and are literally walking corpses. Ending the Fire allows the world and everyone in it to rest in peace.
>>334952420
Yuria, quit shitposting on /v/.
>>334952112
I am also confused as to why she has to die and what exactly happened in that chamber.
May as well let Horace kill her.
Or does it have to be halal?
>>334950360
It's pretty clear that you didn't kill the world because the world existed before the flame, as is told in Dark Souls intro. Strife, disparity came with flame.
>>334952186
>To link the fire gives a few years/decades of peace.
The piece might be more like decades and centuries, enough time for whole kingdoms to rice and then slowly decay when fire starts to fade.
>>334952186
But what about the ending where you kill the Fire Keeper? What even happens there?
>>334952303
Its during an extremely-late Age of Fire, the flame is barely alive. And its last resort is to summon/revive Unkindled and past Lords of Cinder to try and save itself.
>>334952467
I agree with you that Age of Dark IS the Age of Men, but I believe it begins by ENDING the flame and not listening to Kaathes/Frampts jew lies about Usurping It and ruling over Hollows (brainless corpses)
>>334952121
>No, you actually just kill everyone. This is your "good" end. This ending pleases no one.
In a world where everyone is cursed and slowly lose their sanity there is no "good" its better to end all.
Even if a new cycle start sooner or later it would be a fresh start.
>>334952596
Dark Lord ending ushering in the Age of Dark and starting the cycle up again.
>>334952596
You realize the fire is just going to come back after what the firekeeper just said, so you take it for yourself instead. It's just the lord ending without Yuria.
>>334952762
>You realize the fire is just going to come back after what the firekeeper just said
NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T.
Where on Earth did everyone get this conclusion?
>>334945579
They're all complete garbage. A 15 seconds cutscene in which barely anything happens, are you kidding From? Is this the best you could do?
That's garbage, lazy and inexcusable.
>>334952898
Lazy is the words From Software live by.
Can someone explain to me what the untended graves area means?
Is it a dark age version of the ori world?
>>334952878
It's the conclusion you get when you actually listen to what she says, instead of doing mental gymnastics to explain it away because it doesn't give you the closure you want. Do you really think a fire that literally sprang from nothing is going to be stopped by returning it to the nothing that it already sprang from once before?
>>334952878
Go look up how the the ending of PUTTING OUT THE FLAME is even achieved.
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Eyes+of+a+Fire+Keeper
The Firekeeper needs this and the Soul of a Firekeeper to be able to reach in and snuff the flame OUT.
If you let the fire "fade" and kill the fire keeper, all you do is just set the stage for another undead to do all the same things that you did - but make a different choice at the end. The fire is still able to be 'linked' or 'rekindled' - and if that doesn't work then you've let the Serpents win since Humans will forever be Hollows.
It's similar to the Usurp Ending (Lord of Hollows).
>>334945579
End of Fire is clearly best ending
>>334953079
untended graves area is the previous firelink shrine
>>334953234
i fucking love blueberries
>>334953234
>It reveals to the sightless Fire Keepers things that they should never see
Maybe this means they can see the Fires link to Humans?
>>334953115
>Do you really think a fire that literally sprang from nothing is going to be stopped by returning it to the nothing that it already sprang from once before?
Yes.
"Everything has its beginning. But doesn't start at "one." It starts long before that, in chaos. The world is born... from zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes two, two becomes ten, ten becomes 100. Taking it all back to one solves nothing. So long as Zero remains, one... will eventually grow to 100 again. And so our goal was to erase Zero... We realized too late that we had created a beast. We had helped turn Zero into 100. His sin... was ours. And for that reason, I'm taking it upon myself to send Zero... back to nothing."
>>334952878
Game says at multiple points that a new fire will always come and the cycle will begin anew.
Dark Souls 3 points heavily towards the right answer being to let the flame finally die or take it for yourself.
>>334953079
Untended graves is the actual Firelink that went dark.
Ludleth manufacturated a new Firelink which is the one you teleports from/to so one could gather the cinders.
>How
See: Transposition
Kiln Firelink is the present time Firelink.
Dark Firelink > Kiln Firelink |||| Nexus Firelink
>>334953234
>If you let the fire "fade" and kill the fire keeper, all you do is just set the stage for another undead to do all the same things that you did - but make a different choice at the end. The fire is still able to be 'linked' or 'rekindled' - and if that doesn't work then you've let the Serpents win since Humans will forever be Hollows.
Forget this actually, just had to remember how the ending went. Its extremely similar to the Usurp Ending since you take the flame away from her - but it still exists, with you.
>>334949547
This. After seeing the state of the world(everything seems to be just bedrock there isn't even dirt in a lot of areas just rocky jagged mountains and sheer cliffs) and the people in it, I had only a moment's hesitation before I made a pact with the Firekeeper to snuff the flame out.
She said she could foresee embers coming back in the darkness, so I don't think we ended the world I think we just hit restart.
>>334953545
>to erase Zero
you are going full retard
>>334945851
this is the true ending because humans were born from the dark and it's how they were supposed to be.
>>334953843
Tell that to Kojima.
>>334945579
so the untended firelink is the real one, right?
thats why the link the flame ending doesn't have you go up in flames, because yuria was rusing you and you didn't perform the ritual correctly due to the location
Is the age of dark really that bad?
>>334954242
The Age of Dark is POINTLESS, just like the Age of Fire.
>>334954074
I don't think that would matter. What matter is that you're Unkindled, and not an actual Champion, as the ember states.
>>334954242
We've never had one. The real one was meant to occur naturally before Gwyn stopped it - there was no Hollows until he linked the flame.
Check
>>334952186
To see if you agree with anything.
Serpents probably want a hollow-filled world (not Age of Dark)
I hope they redesign the dark serpents so they don't look like jew snakes
>>334951595
The problem is that no one can die until the fire is snuffed. People just lose their minds upon death and then revive infinitely.
>>334954432
They're supposed to look like jew snakes though.
>>334954527
yeah well it looks silly
So the "angels" are the serpents flying around?
>>334954467
>People just lose their minds upon death and then revive infinitely.
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE! I JUST WANNA DIE!
WE ALL WANNA DIE! WE'RE UNKINDLED!
>>334954690LOOK AT ME
>>334948507
>triggering him and Patches
I never trigger Patches in the Cathedral, don't know why.
Maybe it has something to do with opening Rosaria's Bed Chamber first. I always have to buy the Tower Key to continue Siegward's quest.
>messages between the firelink shrines are the same
>if you die in one you can retrieve your souls from the other
>tfw rage sold it for Ratchet & Clank cause my ass kept getting fucked by nameless king
Dont regret a thing desu
>>334949796
She turns full Hollow if you take her alternate quest. It doesn't matter what you do, she's going to die anyway.
>1 monster girl instead of a fuckload
Yeah, DaS is still superior.
>>334948869
well no fucking shit she becomes hollow and without a will
>>334951139
they don't fucking die you mongoloid, they become undead and keep killing everything until a kingdom falls and no one lives in it, then some faggot links the fire and everything repeats, that's not fucking life, that's a fucking curse you fucking faggot holy shit you are so dumb I want to punch you in the dick
>>334952467
>s more aptly named
yes good goyim believe the darkstalker, he is your friend! nevermind Oolacile that was a prank bro!!
>>334946198
>after everything it takes to get.
You say it like it's hard
1. get 5 free ass level ups from dying like a bitch
2. Kill horace in the lake
3. talk to Yuria a lot
4. don't cure the hollowing
That's literally it.
>>334955863
This.
Everything about it screams of something off.
>Dark Power-ups
>Speaking to Darkstalkers
>Murdering/Draining your Waifu of her humanity and turning her into a husk.
Edgiest ending confirmed.
>>334950252
Basically this.
>>334952596
you go power hungry and take the lord souls for yourself and then offer them to the darksign like a fanboy, good job you bullied the only hole that was okay being ravaged by you and worship an emphiric one instead
The next Dark Souls should be during the age of Dark trying to stop the spread of Fire
>>334955745
> they become undead and keep killing everything
If nobody dies what's there to kill faggot?
>>334952186
>'m glad this game finally gave the option to END the flame (via a Fire Keeper)
DS1 did too. The FK in this one mentions that even after you extinguish the flame and all is dark, little fires begin to burn in the horizon and they will come together.
>>334955849
Keep reading. I said that the Age of Men and the Usurpation ending is a lie.
>>334956187
I thought the leader mentioned the next game would be far unlike the Souls series.
But I agree, it'd be great to see a canonical follow-up from DS3 where the fire WAS snuffed out - Humanity reigned, could result in a lot more new abilities and other outcomes/possibilities.
I know the DS games loosely follow one another but my current theory is
>DS1, Chosen Undead links the flame obviously
>Centuries pass
>DS2, Undead gathers the crowns - REFUSES THE THRONE (the link), and walks away. Yet is unable to snuff out the flame without a firekeeper.
>DS3, flame is still unlinked, centuries pass again. Flame is at an all-time-fucking-low. Panics and summons unkindled.
>We finally snuff it out.
>Age of Man
>>334952186
ayy am totally not going to use it in my next vid and make mad shekels, interesting read anon :DD
>>334956385
>DS1 did too. The FK in this one mentions that even after you extinguish the flame and all is dark, little fires begin to burn in the horizon and they will come together.
Did it?
I can barely remember. All I know is that you could walk away and then all the Snakes start bowing to you.
>>334945851
>thinking this ends the cycle
you fucking retard. even the maiden tells you that darkness will go on for a while, but eventually sparks of fire will come around again.
>>334956621
>ayy am totally not going to use it in my next vid and make mad shekels, interesting read anon :DD
Tbh half of that shit is in Vaati's videos anyways following DS2. Its not hard to follow up on and apply to DS3's ending.
>>334955863
Step 2 is optional. You can just ignore him all together.
>>334956764
>implying DaS2 has anything to do with anything
>>334956662
After you kill Gwyn, all the fires of the Kiln fade away and the bonfire is extinguished. If you don't burn yourself, everything becomes the age of True Dark.
>>334956621
Vaati has never once said that the theories he presents are all HIS original theories.
>>334956892
Wrong. If you ignore him he'll kill Anri and end her quest prematurely.
>>334956532
>But I agree, it'd be great to see a canonical follow-up from DS3 where the fire WAS snuffed out - Humanity reigned, could result in a lot more new abilities and other outcomes/possibilities.
>hexes become the norm
>pyromancy is taboo
>enemies are light-bearers and kindled ones
>fire-eater instead of firekeeper
Might be cool. There's going to be a DLC anyway although I highly doubt it'll be set after the ending of the game.
>>334956897
>All the DaS2 references in DaS3
Nice memes kid.
>>334956921
Fair enough I suppose. I'm just following the theory up above - which is that Humanity is still linked to the flame, and it requires a FK with the Original FKs Eyes + Soul to be able to remove that link.
>>334951830
>getting manipulated by reptiles
Sounds exactly like the real world desu senpai oniichan.
>>334952186
>>334957149
>but Gwyn (not wanting to die) committed the FIRST SIN by linking the Flame to HUMANITY while offering his soul as tinder.
Makes no sense to me. What did Gwyn have to do with Humanity when he burned his own pure last piece of a remaining Lord Soul?
>>334957128
>I highly doubt it'll be set after the ending of the game.
Yea they might do something ala DS1 where its in a different timeline - or takes place at the same time and not after
>>334957128
What if it IS after the ending? The Soulsborne DLCs typically take place in a different timeline or reality. What if Dark Souls III's DLC sends you to the future?
>>334957330
>Makes no sense to me. What did Gwyn have to do with Humanity when he burned his own pure last piece of a remaining Lord Soul?
Thats why its a theory. Its developed from listening to Aldia's words (and his title is Scholar of the First Sin).
The curse never existed until Gwyn linked the flame (as far as we know).
>>334957054
Only if you tell her where he is.
If you don't find Horace, or tell him where he is, she doesn't die.
>>334957418
>What if Dark Souls III's DLC sends you to the future?
>Long ago in a distant land, I, Kaathe, the shape-shifting Master of Darkness, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish ashen warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in time and flung him into the future, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to the past, and undo the future that is Kaathe!
>>334945579
Usurpation is my guess. Everything else is sort of a non answer.
Usurping it completely changes the system and fits the theme of the game. They essentially call you a useless pile of shit all game and explicitly state you have no right to even touch the first flame. The idea of unkindled is that they're so thirsty for fire that they want it all for themselves, so it fits that idea the most.
An unkindled who strove relentlessly against every level of control in his way wouldn't give a fat shit about keeping this cycle going for all these faggot ass lords who treated you like their property the entire time. Even ludloth or whatever talks to you like everything is all your fucking fault if you aren't 100% pro following in his footsteps.
Usurpation is the only true ending that gives your unkindled a sense of ownership. Everything else is just
>do my ending because you fit in my mold and inherit my dreams
>me me me
>do all this work for me you ungrateful fuck
This is whats required to snuff the flame.What did she see?
>>334957149
>moonlight greatsword appears in King's Field, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls therefore they all take place in the same world
Holy shit, you should literally just stop using the internet RIGHT NOW
>>334957671
Well done.
>>334952720
>In a world where everyone is cursed and slowly lose their sanity there is no "good" its better to end all.
Hollows are a metaphor for real people fool. Haven't you noticed that just about every hollow of importance in the Souls games has some tragic backstory? That's why they went hollow, not because of some magical curse, but because they done goofed in their lives.
Dark Souls 2 is even more obvious with the metaphors, straight up calling it the "curse of want". Because people are never satisfied with their lives and this leads them to ruination. This shit is basically as old as Confucius, hell it was that old when Confucius was around.
But I guess Dark Souls 3 is basically about you making a decision for yourself whether the kind of endless pain humanity has to endure is worth it, and why. Not that it does a great job with that theme or anything.
>>334957758
>Usurpation
>He fell for the jew serpent meme.
You failed Humanity.
The unkindled's entire purpose is to crave/link the flame.
The very opposite of that would be to snuff the flame out.
>>334955863
You actually just have to take the 5 levels and talk to Anri and Yuria a couple times.
Then as long as you played DaS1, you'll know where to marry her.
>>334955863
yeah it bothers me how this ending is supposedly "secret" but you can get it by NOT doing things and not even being aware of their existance.
>>334957930
>The unkindled's entire purpose is to crave/link the flame.
A purpose brought forth by the flame itself.
>>334956038
She was always a husk, family
She's hollow when you hack her helmet off
>>334957784
she saw blueberries, clearly
>>334951903
>Age of Fire
Fire will die out, some jackass lights it until it will die out again.
>Age of Dark
It'll be Dark until some jackass lights a flame that will die out again
>Age of Ancients
There's nothing, but then there was something. We can't ever go back to nothing again
>>334958014
How does the flame control Human Corpses then, or Humans at all. (Human-Link theory).
But yes exactly - to go against/rebel against that would be to end the flame entirely. At least in my opinion
>>334958026
Seriously, she even loses all her humanity if you don't sacrifices her.
It was always too late to save her.
what the fuck is an unkindled?
You still got the dark sign and still revive but somehow you don't get hollow when dying.
>>334958012
It's obscure in the sense that:
>Pilgrim is in a weird spot at first, and is easily mistaken as an enemy.
>If you cure the sigil at any point you're locked out
>fuck exploring the catacombs
>hope you know where the Darkmoon God lived.
>>334951829
alone in the dark with the waifu for eternity, what genius savant Miyazaki is!
>>334957671
Gotta get back, back to the past, chosen undead!
>>334958529
I'm especially implying the fact you have to NOT kill the assassin. Which you'd have to find by blind luck if you werent using a guide. that or do what i did and attack the air while summoned for someone
>>334957671
well fucking done
>>334952303
It's like the other games, except Lothric who was supposed to enkindle the flame, walked away and hid with his big brother to let the flame fade.
He waited so long, that other past lords of cinder awoke.
>>334958620
Some people put signs up saying "illusion therefore attack" and such
>>334958778
still though, the fact you DONT kill it is the most ass backwards thing, since otherwise what is the point of finding it.
The way people describe it every ending seems to be the edge lord ending. Which is the "good" ending? Just linking and waiting for some other shmuck to save the world next time?
>>334958717
So similar to Vendrick then, though Vendrick knew more and didn't do it for selfish reasons.
I suppose in DS2 we rock up before its so late that the flame as to awaken Lords of Cinder.
>>334957671
>>Long ago in a distant land, I, Kaathe, the shape-shifting Master of Darkness, unleashed an unspeakable evil!
>Kaathe prompted Oolacile people to dig up Manus grave and make him go mad
Deepest lore.
>>334958848
Anri has a seperate quest that fights against the ending and features a boss fight.
>>334958909
its really an opinion thing which is best. take your pick at which fucks the world the least
>>334958909
Dark Souls has always had a very nihilistic story.
All the endings aside from Ending the Fire just prolong the inevitable.
Better to just snuff the flame out and be done with it.
>>334958909
Cuddling with your waifu in the darkness is the best ending.
Just wait for the DLC if you want the "true ending", which is exactly what we got with DaS2.
>>334958909
>Link the Fire
>Grant decades/centuries of peace before it fades and damns everyone to an Unliving Hell again
>Usurp the flame
>Take it as your own, do not link it - leave it existing inside your dark self and become The Hollow Lord, ruling over a world filled with undead (Kaathe wins).
>Betray the Flame
>Similar to Usurping, just without doing it intentionally with Darkstalker Advice - you take the flame for yourself and damn the world.
>Snuff the Flame
>Bring about the natural Age of Dark/Man that was supposed to occur before Gwyn stopped it. Everything in this future is 100% uncertain because its never happened before.
It all depends on your point of view.
Is an endless cycle of a few hundred-years of peace worth the hundred-years of suffering after?
Is a new, natural path justified?
Or are the snakes right - and you want to rule with 100% power over a world filled with Undead Husks/Hollows.
They wouldn't really lock crucial lore/ending stuff behind DLC would they?
>>334957671
Would buy Ultimate Edition rerelease bundle.
>>334959213
>Cuddling with your waifu in the darkness is the best ending.
I NEED FANART OF THIS
NOW.
>>334959387
Isn't Manus pretty crucial?
>>334959387
It's not as if every single loose end was tied up anon
>>334959508
Not him, but eeeeh, not really.
He's not the furtive pygmy, he's just a dude.
What the fuck was the Soul of Cinder supposed to be?
It was like they forgot to set up some sort of plausible final opponent that you could face, and they couldn't just completely reuse Gwyn, so we ended up with this.
The Lothric princes were such a good battle, then the game decides to end with a fart
>>334959715
>He's not the furtive pygmy, he's just a dude.
triggered.
>>334959936
>It was like they forgot to set up some sort of plausible final opponent that you could face, and they couldn't just completely reuse Gwyn, so we ended up with this.
Because its painfully obvious WHAT it is. They expected you to have half a brain and put all the pieces together.
You and all the other Lords of Cinder/Unkindled were risen from the dead in order to Link/Save the Flame by the Flame itself.
You cut your way through every Lord of Cinder and make your way to the flame itself - It does not know if its being threatened or not (assuming).
The Soul of Cinder is the amalgamation of EVERY individual that EVER linked the flame. Its the flames last defense because once thats gone you can do what you want to it (Link it, Snuff it, etc).
Hence why it uses so many different movesets (assassins, mages, knights). Everyone that ever made it to the end.
In its final phase/desperation - it likely used the strongest 'Soul' it had, which was Gwyn. Which is why it uses Gwyn's moveset in the end.
>>334952284
Andre crossbows his father, Gwyn the Lord of Cinder, dead on the toilet.
>>334959936
Amalgamation of all the dudes who've linked the fire.
...now that I think about it, has any female beyond the chosen undead maybe linked the fire?
>>334945579
>guise whats the good ending becuz I want to get the right one xD
There is no good ending, being in the Souls universe is a horrible death march against depression and futility, you can't permanently fix jack shit.
The endings are
>Sacrifice yourself to keep the fire going and revitalize the world SLIGHTLY. You go down like a man, but ultimately your sacrifice is pointless because the flame is hardly even burning even though you linked it.
>Just let it go out. Basically you say "Fuck it, this shit is happening, I might as well just sit back and watch.". Because there is no real reason to do anything. The world will revert back to a state where there is no disparity between light and dark, in time the entire world will stagnate and die, as it was always destined to.
>Be a douchebag and not only extinguish the flame, but actively foster the abyss in it's place, a literal nightmare, just because you feel like being in charge of a world of hollows for a year or two before the world is utterly consumed by darkness you selfishly fostered.
My opinion is obvious, get your own.
>>334956665
The sparks are the souls of men, not a first flame situation.
>>334959498
here you go senpai
The ending where the Firekeeper understands where she belongs.
>>334953545
Holy shit Kojima is retarded.
>>334957330
Gwyn fed humanity to the flame to strengthen it. So yes he basically burned humans on bonfires. This is why undead can rest at them and are bound to them.
If you look closely at bonfires you can see human bones
>>334960441
>tfw i just fapped
Why do you do this to me anon.
HOLY SHIT. IT JUST FUCKING HIT ME.
What if Frampt and Kaathe are NOT at odds with each other? What if they are in league with each other and are both deliberately trying to keep the cycle going?
Frampt would be doing so by encouraging you to Link the Flame, while Kaathe encourages you to pursue the Age of Men/Dark, but in THE WRONG WAY?
Kaathe encourages you to walk away from the Flame and let it fade, but that doesn't change anything and the cycle happens again. What if Kaathe already knows that and is secretly just another servant of Gwyn trying to postpone the end of the Age of Fire? After all, Kaathe never encouraged you to willingly snuff the flame out.
Fuck it. What if Frampt and Kaathe are one in the same being and are part of a big Primordial Hydra like someone in the thread mentioned earlier? What if both options are all an elaborate ruse on both sides?
That would mean that snuffing the flame out IS the true ending.
>>334957671
I'm hesitant about a souls game set in the distant future but this would make me fork over money faster than discount pizza
>>334955003
I had to alt f4 the shit out of that fight after about 20 attempts all ending in phase 2 I just can't crack that fucking nut.
>>334950002
First of all, learn to type, you sound like a child.
Second, you are straight up wrong.
What you are describing is "Generic RPG Human" because that's what you're used to. No other reason.
The game is called Dark Souls, and it's not called that because it sounds edgy and cool. It's quite literally referring to humans. The game could be called "Humans", and it would make just as much sense given the context.
The theme of Dark Souls is about the struggle against futility, the struggle against the nature of the way things are.
The struggle against your inner dark, the struggle against the outer dark. You can't even win. Every ending the world is still fucked. Your soul is still fucked. This game has nothing to do with "creation" or "potential". it's about withering, decay, and useless struggle.
>>334945579
I went all the way to let the fire die, started messing around with my sword the last few seconds as the lights started to finally die on us. I hit the firekeper. Cutscene rolls in as I stomp her face on the ground and proceed to crown myself with the little fire. I hated myself a lot in that moment. I just wanted to let everything die
>>334957128
>miyazaki said dark souls is over
>we're given the option to snuff out the flame
>quoted post
Light Souls?
>>334960325
No.
Women can't do anything right, and they're sure as fuck much more likely to pick power and servants over sacrifice and duty any day of the week.
Snuffing the fire or linking the fire seem like the best choices.
Bring on the age of humanity as things were intended to be, or bring on centuries of peace for a while until shit hits the fan again.
But because things are so uncertain and the outcomes of all the endings aren't really known even after you see the final cutscene, everything could just be fucked forever anyways and none of this shit even matters.
>>334961209
There's no souls where we're going next.
>>334961013
>The theme of Dark Souls is about the struggle against futility, the struggle against the nature of the way things are.
This, though its been largely discussed to death over the years.
It's been shown since DS1 that the Age of Dark was a natural progression - but others feared it, they feared the end. They WANTED more (There is a fuckton of themes based on WANT).
Gwyns entire purpose is to postpone the inevitable. So many characters follow the same path.
I like to think DS3 offers the chance to come to grips with the way things are.
Kingdoms rise and fall - kings and knights and mages led great lives - good lives. Few could learn to be happy with them - they wanted more and more.
The final message (imo) is to learn to let go. To enjoy what you've made/accomplished and let the world naturally progress.
This is further symbolized with each DS taking place in a MAGNIFICENT kingdom (testament to what they achieved, yet slowly ruined by refusing the 'end'.)
>>334960325
Anri was going to but you see how well that turned out.
>>334961195
>>334961139
TWO HEADS ON ONE SNEK WHAT COULD IT MEAN?!?!?!?
>>334954690
we all want to die!
>>334961195
>>334961139
TOO FUCKING DEEP.
DAMN IT FROMSOFT
>>334961139
>>334961195
DEEPEST
FUCKING
LORE
>>334961468
>The final message (imo) is to learn to let go. To enjoy what you've made/accomplished and let the world naturally progress.
I don't agree at all.
I may have sounded like a nihilist when I described it, but the useless struggle is a GOOD thing.
Even if all people will die one day, there's no reason to just roll over and fucking starve to death like everything is pointless.
It's like how people say "It's not the destination, it's the journey."
Even if the struggle is useless and you'll never reach your destination, that struggle has value. There is beauty and strength in being strong and raging against the dying of the light.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
>>334961515
There were always 2 heads on em
>>334961426
While Sci-Fi Souls would be great. I'd love another game that furthers a message on what Humanity is.
Dark Souls is all about the Human-like struggle against the inevitable. Granted its far more deep than that.
A new game set in the Age of Man/Dark could have messages/motives about what it is to be Human or perhaps its own flaws.
>>334961426
I would love this. Metal Souls: Revengeance
Why does the crystal mages have long snouts like dragons?
>>334961895
>I don't agree at all.
I think you may have misread me - or perhaps I worded it incorrectly.
I agree with you - the struggle is what makes it worth it. Thats what I meant about the accomplishments of kingdoms/knights/mages. They struggled/fought/did many things.
Yet at the very end - rather than accept their accomplishments and let the next 'generation/age' go on - they greedily/wantingly hung on to their life/purpose.
But I do agree with the notion that the struggle has value. I'll likely have to rework my initial post another time.
>>334962118
Crystals are some heavy shit anon
>>334961895
That "struggle" is just the record skipping, you gotta let the song end.
>>334961426
A Cyberpunk Soulsborne game would be fucking awesome. They could use Nihei manga like BLAME! and BIOMEGA for inspiration.
>>334961426
>>334962021
>futuristic souls game
>being a normal human plays exactly like a normal souls game
>going cybernetic and replacing your shitty human bits with robot bits makes the game more like MGR, but it comes with its own set of downsides
This would be fucking stellar
>>334959346
Who's to say it will only be filled with hollows? The return to the age of dark is speculated to not only cause everything to go black, but also a return to how things once were. Human's original forms were hollows, which is why they're turning back to that once the fire goes out. Giants were trees, which is why now they're turning back to trees. There were many other primordial beings, such as the jew snakes, the archtrees, and of course dragons. Who's to say those nigs won't be coming back as well? Another thing worth of note, is that none of these are actually "alive", except maybe the serpents. Primordial beings in the age of dark all lacked souls.
>>334962287
Is it just Seaths Magic like Ocelotte guy?
>>334951139
Cycle consists of a ruined world filled with undead gone mad and those left in it wanting to die.
Sounds like fucking paradise let's keep it up.
The game is about people finding their deaths and peace, Siegward dies when he fulfills his duty to Yhorm. Anri had no duty other than to become your wife she goes mad no matter how you try to save her. Yoel dies like he wished. Yuria dies after you do that ending. Even the firekeeper given the eyes sees the truth and that the fire should be extinguished. Sirris says she can rest in peace but stays alive to help you with boss fights,etc etc. The only ones not seeking death are Andre and Hawkwood. Hawkwood arguably wants to become a dragon so he can replace the duty of his fallen Abyss watcher brethren he once abandoned.
>>334962383
>Who's to say it will only be filled with hollows?
The idea/evidence/theory that Humanity (and all its souls) are linked to the Flame (done by Gwyn long ago.)
Humanity itself IS the Dark Soul, and as long as the Flame remains alive (even in the Usurp/Betrayal endings where you TAKE IT) - humans will continue to have their souls burnt as tinder for its flame, no MATTER HOW DIM IT GOES.
This is why humans always always respawn at bonfires and go hollow. They lose their minds, go undead, and can never die.
The only 2 options that allow Humans to BE Humans and die again
>Link the Flame.
The flame is so nourished it does not NEED humans. Humans are able to die and lead normal lives (see DS2 Emerald Heralds words). Until the flame starts to dim again
>Snuff the Flame.
The Flames connection to Humanity (the Dark Soul) is gone. Humans can die finally - they dont have to suffer. Age of Man/Dark begins.
>>334962373
I'd buy it in a second. But Biomega's protag is so fucking OP it wouldn't really fit in souls style.
>>334962373
go away boris
>>334962797
This.
Even in DS2
>>334962832
Humans show that they just want to die. That being a hollow and being immortal while losing your mind is eternal suffering.
People want to find their peace in the world. The Lord of Hollows/Betrayal Ending (JEWSNAKES ENDING) goes against this and damns humans.
Here's an interesting lore implication.
ds1 was essentially a scheme to find some shmuck and pump him full of souls to the point that he would be powerful enough to sustain the first flame, right?
But the Undead legion apparently linked the fire as a group. Does that mean they could just get 100,000 hollows together and have themselves a big old holocaust to keep the world turning? Each would be weak, but together their souls could equal that of a chosen undead or even gywn.
>>334959124
still, it doesnt change the ending to the game. Though i suppose it's implying in that case that you became a supporting character to anri, and not the other way around
>>334962832
So Snuffing the flame is the same as just letting it die out?
>>334947007
You're such a faggot, holy shit
Usurpation.
Give all the poor hollows purpose in the world, keep the fire alive by your strength and will.
>>334963363
The flame can never 'die' out as long as humans exist.
Only a Firekeeper can end the flame (as shown by requiring a Fire Keeper Soul + Eyes).
It can go dim, extremely extremely extremely dim. But as long as there is even 1 hollow with a few souls left - those souls can be used to ignite the flame a little bit.
Hence why it is a cycle. Between Light - and limbo-Dark (Hollows).
True Dark requires the flame to go out, which it was going to naturally do before Gwyn linked it to Mankind and his Soul.
>>334963329
>But the Undead legion apparently linked the fire as a group. Does that mean they could just get 100,000 hollows together and have themselves a big old holocaust to keep the world turning? Each would be weak, but together their souls could equal that of a chosen undead or even gywn.
You're right. All thats required are SOULS.
The more you have - the brighter you burn, the longer the Age of Fire lasts.
Your idea works - but if you gather 100,000 hollows who all barely have souls... thats not a lot of souls. Hell - usually 1 Great Soul will give you 50,000 souls when you Absorb it.
Its why the Undead is always pushed to hunting 'great souls'
>>334957671
i don't get it
what's so great about this post?
>>334963530
>Give all the poor hollows purpose in the world
>Hollows
>Purpose
They are mindless husks - who grow more mindless every time they die.
Their purpose is only your own purpose.
>>334963859
I will be a good lord and grant them souls they lack. Can a hollow not return to being a person?
>>334963530
Something tells me you have literally no clue whats up with the lore of this game.
Do you seriously not comprehend any of your actions?
You're like a kid that skips cutscenes because they're boring, with a perspective like that.
>>334964027
Isn't the fire inside of you being sustained by your own souls? Granted we've never been in such a situation - so who knows if you'll be able to even give them away.
>>334957784
You.
I don't understand, what you see in each Dark Souls is the whole world?
There aren't actual towns, cities or places with normal persons?
Because if that's the case, no shit you want to end it, what kind of life is that?
>>334964213
>The whole world?
No, not at all.
>There aren't actual towns, cities or places with normal persons?
There are. Undead Burg / Parish. Undead Settlement. Anor Londo. Irithyll. Profaned Capital. Drangleic. It's all just in ruins now.
>>334964213
I think Dark Souls is set at the end of the universe and the Flame is mankind desperately trying to hang onto what dregs of existence they can. Better to end it, let nature take it's course, so the world can begin anew, I say. End of the Flame was a perfect ending.
>>334964363
>There are. Undead Burg / Parish. Undead Settlement. Anor Londo. Irithyll. Profaned Capital. Drangleic. It's all just in ruins now.
But they're filled with monsters and ugly skeleton people, how is that a fucking village/settlement?
I mean, restarting stuff in Dragon Dogma means something, but why would you actually want to keep people alive in such a shitty place?
>>334964027
Souls don't fix hollowing retard.
Souls just make you more powerful, full stop.
The thing that makes hollows... hollow, is the dark soul. Usurping the flame will have the opposite effect you want, EXTREMELY opposite.
All hollows will be literally damned to be infected deeply by the abyss and be corrupted so totally and completely that any last speck of sanity or hope they still have will be so thoroughly snuffed out it's practically laughable that you think
>Well, I'll do the most selfish thing any being could ever possibly do in this setting and damn the entire world to never-ending horror, but it's ok because I'll be chill about it =)
It's impossible.
Thinking you'll help the hollows by doing that is like you thinking you're helping the Jews by committing genocide against them.
It's fucking bizarre.
>>334960549
>If you look closely at bonfires you can see human bones
This is further reinforced by the fact that in order to Strengthen a bonfire you give it human BONE SHARDS.
>>334964573
Because linking the fire basically resets everything
>>334964627
Then why does Yuria, a hollow, desperately want you to do it?
I don't understand most the lore for Dark souls (I don't think anyone truly does). So please explain this.
>>334964627
>dark soul
I thought it was the Dark Sign.
When you die - you LOSE your humanity (A Fragment of the Dark Soul) and slowly turn hollow.
(In my opinion) Its assumed that because the Dark Soul is a SOUL like any other (and its split among humans) - that when you die. The piece of that soul is sent to feed the flame and keep it burning.
Regardless I agree with you
>>334952576
The state of the world without the first flame is different than the state of the world before it. Because there is still disparity, that was created by the fire.
>>334964213
>But muh generic RPG!
>Why isn't it the same bullshit I've seen over and over?
>I want a hub town full of meaningless automatons to walk around near!
Every game takes place essentially during the end times where the world is literally fucking dying and humanity is going insane and crumbling.
No shit there aren't happy little hubs where farmers go about their business.
>>334964887
>Then why does Yuria, a hollow, desperately want you to do it?
SHE IS A DARKWRAITH
She has taken the Snake dick and believes in Kaathe's lies.
>>334960407
What possible proof do you have of that?
>>334962373
Isn't the MC's weapon incredibly overpowered?
>>334965050
I'm in over my head here because I have no fucking clue what you're even talking about anymore.
This is what I get for not ever looking into lore
>>334946590
But there already is an age of dark ending, it's shown quite clearly. Usurpation ending is radically different, the world has not gone dark, the nature of the first flame has changed.
>>334964887
Yuria is fucking evil.
She wants the world to end, she considers it almost a religious duty.
That's putting it as simply as I can.
Get it? You were being duped like a total idiot, that's what happened.
>>334965193
Its okay anon.
It used to be even more confusing before DS3 came to clear up some things with things we already knew. In DS3 we learnt about how to -actually- snuff the flame and how it differs from the snakes. The rest of the theories slowly come together
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Yuria+of+Londor
>>334965234
>the nature of the first flame has changed.
The flame is still the flame. You've just taken it after proving yourself to be the only Fighter capable of doing it.
There is nobody left alive to take it from you.
The flame will still burn inside you - and damn all of Humanity (except you) to be nothing but Hollows. The world is trapped in a limbo-dark (and not the True age of Dark)
Snakes win.
>>334963839
How to spot the underaged.
>>334964573
Places like Carim/Vinheim probably exist with normal people, and once in awhile someone goes hollow/crazy so they're sent away to places like that shitty undead asylum in DS1. You just never see places with civilization happening because there's no point. You're a gross undead person.
>>334965529
The flame is totally different, though. The sun has changed color, this is outright spelled out in front of you and the most clear similarity I can see is that the sun is now shaped and colored like a HUMANITY instead of a darksign. This is actually an age of dark, a true age of dark, not one where the fire fades, but that the fire is a dark fire, that grows stronger, paradoxically, with its own presence. A self sustaining fire that will keep the world lit forever.
>>334964995
I'm not saying I want that, in fact I like Dark Souls atmosphere as "post-apocalypse Middle Ages" has almost never been used, I'm just saying that by a rational standpoint that user is correct in saying putting out the fire is the best choice, why would you continue exist in such a place?
>>334965725
You're right in that the flame turned dark.
Its just a rather paradoxical dark age. The only sane person will be YOU. Everyone else will be an insane hollow - because all of their Humanity (pieces of the Dark Soul) are fed to the flame.
Hence why I said limbo. You've effectively -stalled- the cycle forever. It can't restart - but it can't end either.
>>334963839
Fucking child.
>>334963727
The soul of gywn is worth 20000 souls on use. 40000 with frampt for some reason.
The weakest hollow in the game, the docile hollows outside your cell in the undead asylum are worth 20 souls each. So 1000 of them would be just as good as gywn.
250 hollow soldiers would work.
17 dark wraiths would be more than enough.
Even if we combine the soul, plus the value of souls he drops on death into 90,000 it's still not that much in terms of numbers. In fact, 90,000 souls would let a player at about 120 SL level just once.
So by the time you reach gywn, most players are worth his power multiple times over. Dozens of times even.
>>334964913
The dark sign is just a sign that your shard of the dark soul has been attached to the fire in order to sustain it and keep it from going out.
Gwyn cursed humanity to feed the fire for eternity.
A person's humanity is their link to the literal personification of entropy, which is why it needs to be burned.
However, it isn't black and white like humanity being straight up evil. Your humanity may be the antithesis of creation, but it still keeps you sane and together.
Every time you die a shred of your very essence fuels the flame and you won't die for good because the fire will only take just a portion and leave the rest.
So 1 whole dark shard becomes .7 which becomes .49 becomes 34.3 and so on until you are infinitely worthless husk with no worth, yet you still exist as a useless sack of shit.
The dark sign is just the tunnel into your body through which this process happens as you die.
So what's up with those flying nervous systems around Lothric after a certain point? The ones that shoot those orb of fire/magic/darkness during the Dragonslayer Armour boss?
What are they?
>>334965295
Why does she want that?
>>334965346
Going to read this i suppose awoo
Still I thought mizuyaki always wanted players to come to their own conclusion? My conclusion is still objectively wrong however?
>>334965993
I don't get where you're getting this from. Why would they need to feed the dark flame? The flame will grow on its own, because it's dark, and because its darkness sustains itself. Humanity will no longer be sacrificed and people will reverse their hollowing because the dark soul will flow into the world like the regular souls did at the start of the age of fire.
I do think the cycle can end if you die, I reckon that the first flame is not permantely destroyed, it's just that you were able to change it, but should you die, things would probably return to normal.
>>334948883
aldia will appear in the DLC with the bearer of the curse
>>334966018
Something makes a sound of 10 decibels.
Does that something make a sound of 20 decibels if there were 2 of it? No.
>>334966018
The numbers in-game aren't representative of the real soul value. For game play purposes obviously. Receiving 1,000,000 souls after beating Seath would break the game.
>>334966130
They're butterlies, and they're the result of the turtle shell pilgrims reaching lothric castle, for whatever that entails.
>>334965883
>post-apocalypse Middle Ages
It's not "post" apocalypse. You're smack dab standing at the end of the world, it is "during the Apocalypse".
It's a long slow death, but it didn't already happen, and you can postpone it because linking the fire means fixing it for a few hundred years, and letting the fire go out makes the world so much infinitely worse that nobody can even fucking fathom the level of terrible that would occur.
What you're saying is basically
>Eh, this world sucks, might as well plunge it into eternal darkness and terror, don't see why not.
>>334966130
My theory from stuff I saw:
Remember Yoel and the pilgrims? Look at that big plate of armor on their back. You can see little things growing up from under it.
If you read the cleric starting gear it says those plates are there to prevent seedbeds of evil from sprouting or forming.
In lothric you find humans who have grown up and formed corpse trees. Not corpses on trees, but bodies formed into trees. And they are all worshiping in the direction of lothric castle.
And the flying things are called pilgrim butterflies.
I assume that the pilgrims that don't die, or perhaps just pilgrims in general, become those corpse trees, and the corpse trees become the pilgrim butterflies as the end of the age of fire and the end of the world draws near. Hence why they appear only when the eclipse does.
>>334966130
dragons returning
>>334966250
They do in your character. 20 souls plus 20 souls makes 40 souls.
>>334965624
>>334966013
nice job, making up shit instead of explaining it
>>334966439
I thought they were set to die at their destination? Were those the things they had hidden under their shells? Putting in hostile pilgrims was a nice touch too, thought they were snakemen until they started shooting fire. Do Kaath or Frampt appear in the game?
>>334966487
>hundred years
idk man, based on the linking the fire ending, it doesn't even look like the fire would last more than a few days. Compare that ending to the linking of the fire ending in das1.
All you niggas are forgetting that there's a whole entire world that is not destroyed or massively fucked up. In DS1 the Way of White operates from a distance, sending agents to the fucked up zones to do their bidding. The Great Swamp is known to be fine.
>hurr just end the flame
nignog you're not just ending everything for the hollows, you're ending everything for everybody else too
>>334966652
>You must be at least 18 years old to browse this website.
>>334966487
But the age of dark is natural and was only prevented from occuring due to Gwyn going full emo. In a true age of dark the gods grow weak and humans gain strength. They don't go hollow.
>>334966765
i am at least 18 years old, unlike your useless shitposting ass
>>334966153
>Why does she want that?
Come on dude.
She wants to end the word and plunge it into eternal dark because humans are the scattered carriers of the dark soul. She believes that mankinds true nature lies within the abyss, and so she seeks to end the entire world and bring about an age of chaos and death because she thinks that's humanities natural and preffered state.
As I said, she's evil.
I can tell she's your waifu in this game, but let me tell you this: You are a tool to her, a pawn that she is actively manipulating. She is evil and she doesn't give a fuck about you.
You can either accept that you're being duped by someone who basically revers the Dark Souls version of Lucifer, or you can can continue being ignorant of what's going on and let her trick you like the biggest fool on the planet.
>>334966780
You have multiple displays of what putting out the fire does to the world. The unkempt graves is a good example. It's just a vast plain of NOTHINGNESS. It's the world becoming a giant abyss that kills fucking everything. The world LITERALLY ends, except that I guess the firekeeper makes it seem a bit better, saying that the fires will come back eventually. That's not the age of man, that's the age of NOTHING.
>>334966908
She is tricking us somehow, but she's not plunging the world into death and chaos. In an age of dark, {new} species will rise possibly along humans and new civilisation will be born. Changing from the age of ancients to fire didn't destroy the world as much as it did alter it and an age of dark is basically an age of fire but flipped.
>>334966537
So will the butterflies turn into dragons?
Is Lothric's straight sword good for a Faith build? I've blundered my way through on pure faith, nearing 60.
>>334966908
You can agree with her also.
>>334967094
Only one area tho and we see the handmaid and Anor londo knights(possessed) still kicking. We can't extrapolate and say the whole world is fucked when we've only seen one area. Especially since that area is the resting ground for dead humans, not live ones
>>334966698
I bought the way of white was an excuse to send afflicted off on pilgrimage to complete a noble deed that they're not supposed to return from?
>>334966780
The gods do die, but humans don't gain anything you dope.
The only things humans would get is the ability to die and a a deeper connection tot he abyss.
Let me put it this way:
>Link the fire
Gods and creatures with no connection are on top, humanity gets to chill in peace as small fish in a healthy pond with many bigger fish.
>The fire dies
The pond is fucking poisoned, killing off everything except the smaller fish that will commence to slowly die off and go insane as well. The world becomes a hellscape of warring savages and the darkest most evil magical powers run rampant, turning men into insane beasts with nothing but the urge to destroy.
The age of dark IS natural, but if you think that means it's DESIRABLE you're an idiot.
The gods may be douchebags about wanting to keep humanity down due to their connection to the Dark Soul, but they aren't being "emo" at all. A world without them is horror, plain and simple. Have less baseless pride in your species and actually think about what you're doing. You're letting narcissism destroy the entire fucking world because you can't stand that your species isn't at the top of the food chain.
>>334948883
>>334966225
As much as people hate DS2 I'd love to see drangleic re-done as the land of "dark" where the flame wasn't linked.
Aldia is the only thing in the souls universe to break free of the cycle.
Although he is some sort of lovecraftian monstrosity. Hell his "death" doesn't drop souls or anything; either implying he lost his soul but retained his human identity in the process, or he never died.
I'm betting that he never died, since he seems to shift through time and space at will.
>>334967495
Not him but where are you getting the evidence for an age of dark having man go insane and turning into mindless beasts from?
>>334966908
So the "good" ending is to link the fire and hope that the next time someone such as yourself comes along to re link it again? And that just goes on forever?
>>334967732
Artorias dlc where humans are turning into abyss creatures.
>>334967348
I'm pretty sure that the firekeeper's prophecies of what a world without the first flame is like are accurate. A vast darkness, that's it. The usurpation ending is the true dark lord ending, and even that one is questionable, considering the fact that yuria is being led by a serpent.
>>334968045
That's due to Manus' humanity running wild. Not an inherent property of what an age of dark is. Same with 4 kings/darkwraiths.
>>334967768
As I've said many times, this game is about futility.
You either keep the fire going for a little longer, or kill the entire world.
That's it.
There's no "Totally magic and dope new civilization run by humans in the dark age =)" or anything like this retard thinks is going to happen >>334967143
It's stagnation and death, or briefly postpone stagnation and death.
>>334967732
If you actually played the first game, you would know for a fact that yes, humans become savage creatures infected by the abyss as all life dies and the world turns to dust. Dumbass.
>>334946440
theres always a flame thats the point you cant just put all the flame out
theres always a spark and then an ember
therefore another rehashed game
>>334968202
Ye sit is an inherent property of what the age of dark is, are you blind?
Humanity is a synonym for the dark soul, without the fire and dark only remaining, "humanity running wild" will happen to every human on the plan-
You know what, fuck you, you're fucking annoying and I'm sick of trying to show you that your fanfiction bullshit is wrong.
>>334965057
Not being retarded?
>>334968283
>>334968505
Why are you getting so angry about this?
>>334968505
Sayonara senpai
>>334966652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e51hgWIsY4M
>>334948173
I like to hope Firekeeper and C.U held each-other close after the fire went out.
Sharing tales and history, fucking and whatnot, remaining at the kiln until they succumbed to the perpetual cold and darkness.
Then millennia later, long after their time, a new fire.
>>334967768
Either that.
Or snuff it out forever (as was supposed to be the natural progression) to bring about the Age of Dark/Man, which is the first time we've ever been allowed to do this.
>>334968638
I can see where he's coming from. She says like the embers of lords. So similar but not the same possibly.
>>334968202
>That's due to Manus' humanity running wild.
It's always the consequence of the abyss. Manus came too far into the abyss turn off the fire can lead to an era monstrosities in the future.
Personally light the flame remains the best solution, even if it means continuing rivalry of Framt and keethe
>hearest thou my voice still
spokky
>>334966838
Nigger it's samurai fucking Jack. Either you're fucking simple or underage. Don't get assblasted when you get called out for being ignorant and then claiming its all a ruse.
>>334968771
But the age of man as everyone says is just an age of hollow nutters yes?
does the usurpation ending have a similar fate to the "age of man"?
>>334969364
literally fucking who.
>>334969526
kill self
>>334969029
I thought Oolacile occured because they fell for Frampt's/Kaathes tricks (and the serpents come from the Abyss and not the Dark itself).
Regardless - there is not nearly enough evidence to predict and say what an Age of Dark would BE.
Before Gwyn linked the fire - humans were simply still humans of varying power. While the Gods/Lords were losing theirs due to the flame dying out.
Vendrick also proves just how strong a HUMAN can become because his soul was so magnificent.
Humans were set to inherit the world (and perhaps fight the Abyss for control of it) before Gwyn tied their fate to the Flame.
>"The people of Oolacile were fooled by a serpent, resulting in the upturning of Manus's grave and inciting his wrath. He is the cause of the Abyss, which threatened to swallow all of Oolacile. Manus was once human and became the Father of the Abyss after his humanity went wild."
>>334969469
We don't know what the age of man/dark was SUPPOSED to be (because Gwyn stopped it).
Humans NEVER went Hollow until Gwyn bound them to the Flame in order to strengthen it.
Usurpation is an ending that results in you being the "Lord of Hollows", freezing the cycle and ruling over a world of Hollows.
As long as the flame exists humans will eventually hollow. There's still much we dont know so this is all speculation.
>>334969885
So the usurpation is actually one of the worst endings kek
Everyone other than you becomes hollow? Because you absorb all of the power of the flame?
>>334970116
Pretty much. Typically (with Linking the Fire) is you give yourself to the flame to restart-the-cycle, until someone ELSE eventually comes over to defeat you (like you defeated Gwyn in Dark Souls 1) to link the fire again.
In Usurpation - you win the flame, and there is -nobody- left to take it from you since you've killed most of the others and are too strong soul-wise - plus the world goes hollow.
>>334969526
Yeah, fuck you.
>>334967143
>Changing from the age of ancients to fire didn't destroy the world
say that to the extinct dragons. Fire gave intelligence to the mindless hollows that the dragons ruled over. They used this intellegence to kill off the dragons. The dark gives power to humans which allows them to kill off every thing else, including all the real humans.
The world as everyone in the dark souls universe knows it will be destroyed in the age of dark. Only the primordial serpent will remain unaffected by it because the serpent's main body is outside the world. The dark wraiths THINK they won't be either, but we know that to be false due to how they ended up as mindless hollows in new londo.
>>334948883
Aldia is the best souls character
>>334968202
>Not an inherent property of what an age of dark is
Manus use to be a fucking midget. The main subtheme of dark souls is that humanity turns people into monsters. It's meta social commentary that's TOO DEEP 4 U.
>>334970969
>The dark gives power to humans which allows them to kill off every thing else, including all the real humans.
The ABYSS tries to do that. I personally think they are separate.
Humans were -not humans- until the Pygmy found the Dark Soul. They were merely those formless black-figures hidden beneath the Dragons lands.
The idea is that if Gwyn had not bound them to the flame - they would have never hollowed and inherited the world (and their enemy would likely be the Abyss).
Its never shown to be a progression - but manipulation. The Four Kings are an example of this (they fell to the Abyss because of the serpents).
It also further adds to the fact that the Serpents DONT WANT the True Age of Dark now that we know how to actually BRING THAT ABOUT (Firekeeper with true vision, Firekeepers Eyes + Soul).
What they want is to corrupt humanity with the Abyss most likely.
Thats my opinion at least.
>>334945579
Spending eternity in the darkness with the only light being the flame that the Fire Keeper watches over as you have hollowed sex with her is best ending.
>>334967495
If anything humanity are the villains for the gods. We've seen the results of just ONE human letting their dark soul run wild.
He turned into manus and fucking sunk an entire region into the abyss.
>>334945579
Here's what I'm thinking:
1) You link the flame: new cycle same shit different day, neutral ending
2) End of fire: world goes back to pre first flame era where light, darkness, life, and death didn't exist. New flame could pop up at any time under these conditions and start the cycle over again, neutral ending
3) You kill the firekeeper. You're basically the flame's bitch, worst possible ending.
4) Usurpation of fire, the flame is your bitch and the dark souls (humanity) take their rightful place as master of the flame, best ending.
>>334971851
>4) Usurpation of fire, the flame is your bitch and the dark souls (humanity) take their rightful place as master of the flame, best ending.
Whats there to show that Humanity still isn't linked to it and thus turning them all hollow?
Or did you believe the Sneks :^)
>>334959936
It's an amalgamation of every chosen undead who has linked the flame.
Your Chosen Undead from DaS1 plus the many others who came after him.
>mfw everyone on /v/ doesn't get that snuffing out the flame is just the same ending from dark souls 1 but it's a "choose your own canon"
>mfw they're just going to make a dark souls 4 and you get to fight the Ashen one of pure evil in Dark Souls 4: Prepare to die epicer edition.
Why isn't there an option to unlink the flame? Puttning an end to madness.
>>334972801
That literally is one of the options.
What.
>>334971786
>If anything humanity are the villains for the gods
Humans werent originally enemies, but they ended up being the main threat. Everyone started out equal: as mindless monsters ruled by dragons amongst the archetrees. Then 4 of them found the flame and got lord souls.
What did they do with those souls? Nito fucked up and died. He kept his soul all to himself, probably to prevent himself from going full hallow then went to sleep, slowly using up the power over time until chosen undead killed him.
The witch spread the soul to her family members and then they fucked up and burnt out most of its power trying to recreate the first flame.
Gwen was king dick and only gave out fragments of his lord soul to people loyal to him. This created 'the gods' who were far superior to everyone else (at the time), but the power of that soul died with them.
But pigmy was different. he gave a tiny fraction to everyone. Over time, with nito dead, the witches dead, and gwen basically dead, the only people who still had parts of the original lord soul were humans. And that gave them greater power over the decedents of the gods and other races that no longer had access to the lord souls.
All the souls change their owners, and humans get changed the most since they always carried around tiny pieces of the dark soul.
In this manner, humanity is forever fucked because no matter what happens, they are going to be killed by the dark soul fragments (humanity) that they all have.
What's a good build and level to sunbro people through the game in full sun gear?
>>334968505
HAHA, the fucking salt on this guy.
>>334958282
>the only innocent character barring gatekeeper and 2 lords of Cinder has no good ending, she either goes insane or gets murdered so her corpse can "marry" you
:(
>>334973616
Firekeeper, fuck autocorrect
>>334972962
Which one? All the options is killing the flame more or less, which means that it will return sooner or later.
You are using the good firekeeper to level, right anons?
r8 my lord of hollows
>>334974459
is there any difference from levelling up at irina other than the fire keeper?
>>334975282
Of courseYou get to hear her sweet, mindbroken voice
>>334974223
Link
vs
Usurp
vs
Betray
vs
Snuff out.
Snuffing permanently ends the flame cause you are doing it via the Firekeeper - granted she mentions some hopeful remark about 'cinders floating in the dark' but that could range symbolically to many things.
>tfw you crush your waifus head and steal her eyeballs and the fire
>>334975437
Those cinders floating in the dark isyour sperm dancing in her womb, if you catch my drift
>>334975437
> but that could range symbolically to many things.
No it doesn't.
That seems like a pretty direct reference to the fact that there will always be fire within the darkness and that as long as darkness exists you can never completely snuff out the fire and vice versa.
>>334976149
Probably true.
The only important thing is if Humans have severed their link from the fire and can finally die/not go hollow anymore.
>>334976206
I get the feeling that's going to be a central part of the DLC.
Hell we might even run into Aldia or the bearer of the curse.
Would make for a dope bossfight.
>>334976298
Agreed, though with the titles.
>Chosen Undead
>Bearer of the Curse
>Unkindled
Do refresh me, was the Bearer of the Curse contained with any 'particular' curse. Or just given that title as he was cursed with the Darksign like all the rest.
>>334946865
Thats because one the lights go out you and the fire keeper start fucking like rabbits.
>>334945579
The only true ending is the one where you give the firekeeper the eyes to stop the cycle. Linking the fire is Frampt ending, people of Lothric believe that linking the fire is good because Frampt started a religion there, usurpation of flame is followers of Kaathe (and he himself) making you into a lord to, presumably, rule alongside you (use you?). The purposes of primordial snakes are kind of murky apart from the fact that they want a lord to "serve".
The difference between DS3 and Dark Souls 1 endings is that you weren't at the end of the cycle, and the world wasn't truly fading, or something like that. You were just used by the snakes. I think DS2 and how undead managed to break from the curse of hollowing have something to do with how events of DS3 unravel.
>>334958532
She's blind so she'll teach you how to get around in a world of darkness.
Best waifu.
>>334952186
>Queelag fights you to protect her sister
>I always go down and worship Spider butts anyway
What a waste.
>>334948173
>Not to mention you end up sacrificing Anri
She's in the fucking end cutscene you moron. She's a Hollow.
>>334978918
>Turning your waifu in a hollow husk that will eventually be brainless.
Good job.
>>334956532
Cathedral of the Deep worships a coming age of the Deep Sea
The next souls game is going to be Cthulhu shit.
>>334978918
Did I ever say that sacrificing meant killing her? It means stripping away what little humanity she has left and turning her into a hollow husk.
End of Fire doesn't even end the fire. Just snuffs it out until the embers the Fire Keeper saw on the horizon reignite it.
Fuck everything, Aldrich was right. We age of deep sea now.
>>334979027
>The next souls game is going to be Cthulhu shit.
We already got that.
>>334949940
Kaathe is chillin' in Londor, Frampt is God knows where.
>>334977782
he was just cursed with the darksign like all the rest.
>>334979027
Fun fact. Miyazaki said From is done with Souls.
Are people who say end of fire ending doesn't end the fire just memeing or have they really never read a book in their life? I'm honestly amazed how much a fuckwit you have to be to interpret the firekeeper words as "the age of fire will start again". Jesus Fuck.
>>334979446
>This is making us a ton of money
>We are doe with it.
>>334952186
But Hollows or Pygmies are humanity's natural state, aren't they? So wouldn't Usurping the Fire be the best outcome since it allows Hollows to rule as they were supposed to when the Fire finally died?
>>334978408
Well for starters there's the fact that unless you get a Dark Sigil through Yoel "drawing out your true strength" Unkindled don't go hollow.
Did Darkroot turn into a swamp because Ash Lake evaporated from underneath?
>>334979565
It's true though. He said From wants to move on to a new IP.
That's why they said From is done. I'm sure Bamco is going to churn out a souls game.
Look up the interviews.
>>334979630
humans are only hollows because the Fire start to fade out and use their souls as fuel.
The Usurping ending is not the Dark age ending it means you condemm humanity to be a eternal firewood for the fire, the first fire won't burn as bright as before but it won't fade away.
This means jew snake won.
>>334979926
Maybe there is a link between unkindled and the humans who can't go hollow from Drangleic, i'm not sure. The game is pretty clear about telling you that unkindled are embers and it's the last ditch effort of the flame to reignite itself, or something along those lines.
>finally end the fire and all the bullshit that goes along with it
>world falls into darkness and eventually the cinders on the horizon reignite the flame
>DaS1 civilization reboot
>some jackass lord from the new age of gods decides he doesn't want the flame to go out and his age to end
>decides to link it to humanity like a certain lord of cinder
>the cycle begins anew
>the ride never ends
>>334980283
>humans are only hollows because the Fire start to fade out and use their souls as fuel
But they were hollows before the flame. Remember the pygmies from the opening?
My understanding of the usurpation end is that Kaathe wants an Unkindled to steal the fire and bring the age of dark by creating a kingdom of humanity in its natural pre-fire state.
There's also the thing with the black hole sun turning from red to white.
Kaathe did nothing wrong, and has been on our side since the beginning.
>>334980525
Hollows means losing one free will and sanity and humans before the age of fire was bitches of the dragons.
pre-fire state was shit, the age of darkness doesn't mean humans revert back but I think its just a next step.
Only a idiot would think a ending where everyone revert back to be mindless hollows and stabbing your waifu with a sword in her face ia best ending.
>>334980525
>But they were hollows before the flame. Remember the pygmies from the opening?
Yes. They were.
The Pygmy split the Dark Soul with everyone else (not the Lords obviously) which became termed as HUMANITY.
The Lords ruled until the fire was getting dim. Then Gwyn bound humanity + himself to the Flame in order to strengthen it.
The Darksign is used to drain a human's Dark Soul each time they die - and send it to be used as tinder for the Flame.
The more they die - the more they lose. The more they hollow.
By severing that link - humans wont hollow anymore. The flame can die and humans can live in the Age of Dark.
Kaathe/Frampt wants the cycle to continue forever (or wants to FREEZE the cycle in a world full of hollows).
In the Usurp ending - the fire isnt GONE. Its IN you. The link with humanity still exists. Humans will go hollow.
>>334980525
>Kaathe did nothing wrong, and has been on our side since the beginning.
>He fell for the JewSnakes lies and stabbed his waifu in the face with a sword.
Kek.
Kaathe seems to have tried 3 times to create an "Age of Dark" where humans, in control of their Humanity, rule the world.
He tried first in Oolacile, by telling them to upturn Manus' grave, but this caused their Humanity to go wild, and they turned into abominations. This is also where the Abyss began, which is different from the Dark or Humanity.
The second time was in New Londor, when he taught the Four Kings the art of Lifedrain. This was also a failure, albeit to a lesser extent since the Abyss was controlled and the Darkwraith knights it produced more stable than the bloatheads from Oolacile.
Now shit gets weird in DaS3 where there seem to be both Abyss and Dark, in separate areas. On the Abyss side is the Abyss, which is contained by the Abyss Watchers, its whereabouts unknown but probably in the Untended Graves since that's where its darkest and there's the most of those black serpent-headed goo snake hollows.
Then there's the Dark, which seems to have been formed as its own stable kingdom of Hollows, Londor. Judging by the name, its location is likely where the real New Londo was since Anor Londo is now Irithyl. Londor is headed by Kaathe and the 3 matrons of the Sable Church.
As far as the endings go - Kaathe wants you to usurp the First Flame, become the Lord of Hollows and "make Londor whole" - whatever that means.
>>334981356
Or perhaps he wants a world where he and the Snakes can live - and humanity won't fight with the "Abyss" or wherever it is that the snakes come from.
We know for a FACT hes lying now since this is the first Souls game where we are shown how to PROPERLY snuff the fire (Firekeeper)
>>334981214
>Only a idiot would think a ending where everyone revert back to be mindless hollows and stabbing your waifu with a sword in her face ia best ending
Eh, Londor seems to work.
>>334981353
Eh, Anri's alive in the ending and Kaathe did nothing wrong.
>In the Usurp ending - the fire isnt GONE. Its IN you. The link with humanity still exists. Humans will go hollow.
When you Link the Fire, you go into the flame as kindling to keep the world lit and continue the age of gods. When you Usurp it, you take the fire into yourself - and that's about all I understand from that so far.
>>334981527
>We know for a FACT hes lying now since this is the first Souls game where we are shown how to PROPERLY snuff the fire (Firekeeper)
I don't think he's lying since there was no way to drag Anastacia's broken ass down to the Kiln to snuff out the flame for us.
Presumably we let the flame die and it came back just like it would in the End of Flame ending, or our decision was retconned to linking the fire, or that faggot Solaire popped in 20 minutes later and linked it anyway.
Why do you people call Anri your waifu? There was a sacrificial ritual for the darkwraiths where you got "wed", but in normal terms she\he was never interested in you. Possessive freaks.
>>334981825
She's married to me and is therefore mai waifu.
>>334981603
>When you Link the Fire, you go into the flame as kindling to keep the world lit and continue the age of gods. When you Usurp it, you take the fire into yourself - and that's about all I understand from that so far.
Taking the fire in is nearly the same as Lining the fire.
A fire ALWAYS need something to burn, either a fat heavy soul meat pack(you) that last for centurys or in the Usurp the fire ending
all of humankinds humanity.
Usurp the fire is the same mistakes that Gwyn made but now you does it with a smile on your undead face.
Why Lothric is Lord of Cinder? He didn`t link the flame. He didn`t die, he wasn`t ressurected by flame like other lords.
>waifu
My Anri was a dude...
>>334974459
wait you can level up with Irina?
>>334982227
Honestly I think you're bullshitting but whatever.
>>334982740
That's what you get for playing as a shitty girl.
>>334982695
>Why Lothric is Lord of Cinder?
He's not, but he was going to be. Think Vendrick. Went through all the necessary preparations to become a Lord, but pussied out at the last minute/was unable to because he's a weak cripple boi.
Why did you have to stomp on firekeeper's head after stabbing her?
>>334983120
I just can`t understand why I should kill him. He isn`t competitor for main hero, he said "fuck you" to all this flame bullshit.
And he isn`t Lord of Cinder.
>>334983718
>>334983120
>Lord of Cinder defeated
???
>>334983718
>I just can`t understand why I should kill him
Because they told you to. All being a Lord of Cinder means is having a strong enough soul to serve as kindling for the linking of the fire. Logically the best way to do this is to seek out the previous fire-linkers.
>>334983506
She was still alive and trying to stop you from taking the flame.
After reading this thread a bit I came up with a theory on why The End of Fire is the best end.
There are two Cycles, a natural cycle of the world and a artificial cycle created by souls being used to fuel the fire.
In the natural cycle of the world it goes like:
>Age of Ancients - Dragons and shit
>Age of Fire - Lord souls
And it repeats. The age of fire starts with the first flame, that's born from the souls of old lords. And the age of Ancients starts when the first flame fades completely (The End of Fire).
The artificial cycle is inside the natural cycle, and it happens when people stop the fire from fading. It goes like:
>Artificial Age of Fire - Created by linking the flame.
or
>Age of Darkness - Created usurping the flame and becoming a Dark lord.
These two cycles will keep repeating them selves until someone lets the fire fades completely, this will make the Artificial Cycle end and will continue the natural cycle.
This is probably kinda bullshit, but I like it.
I kinda want the Emerald Herald to show up in a DLC.dead or alive
>>334986187
I want Emerald Herald to show up as a firekeeper,because she was a more interesting character.
>>334987506
As much flak as ds2 gets I do think she's one of the more interesting hub maidens, just not in the subtle or obfuscated way most Souls fans prefer.
>>334987784
ds2 lore grew on me quite a bit, and i started off hating it
i still cant stand the game because of how it plays and feels, its just totally wrong
>>334988109
My favorite piece of background lore was with Alva and Zullie. It was sweet for a Souls game
>>334983718
You need his power so you can Link the Flame. (You know, they really should have given you a flaming weapon in Lord of Cinder form. Why don't we get one?)
>>334979446
He said that this is the last Dark Souls. NOT the last Soulsborne game.
>>334988109
I like the fact that the ending was:
"No, there is no 'third way'. The Curse IS Humanity. To leave the Curse behind means to cease being Human. Choose, or doom us all anyway."
Did the pygmy fight the dragons along with the other Lords? The cutscene names all the Lords and then says "with the strength of Lords, they challenged the dragons"
Does this include the pygmy?
>>334981754
Anastasia had no idea that she could've snuffed out the Flame since Frampt lied to her. The Fire Keeper in DS3 only learns the truth when you give her the Eyes of the Fire Keeper, which allows her to see the truth and how to truly put an end to the cycle by snuffing out the flame, which she's on board with.
>>334960469
I got this ending and got no achievement for it.
Is this normal?
>>334989534
If you merc her during that part you don't get the achievement, no.
>>334989772
Why wouldn't there just be a separate achievement for it then?
>>334986187
I hope the DLC is chocked full of shit from DaS2 just to make /v/ butthurt. It'd be great if we could see ol' Bear Bear Sikh List one last time.
>>334989280
>The Fire Keeper in DS3 only learns the truth when you give her the Eyes of the Fire Keeper
You mean Anastasia's eyes?
>>334990078
I don't think so. The Eyes are said to come from the very first Fire Keeper ever. Anastasia was never indicated to be the first. Especially since we also see Quelaag's Sister and the Darkmoon Knightess as active Fire Keepers.
If anything, the Witch of Izalith could technically have been the first Fire Keeper before she fucked up and became the Bed of Chaos. If you look at the Bed of Chaos closely, it kinda looks like a giant Fire Keeper Soul.
>>334960757
Doesn't mean it's the true ending, just different from the others. The assumption that keeping the cycle going is bad instead of killing the world will always be quite arguable
>>334948204
I literally can't keep Greirat alive during Ithiryll.
>>334990954
Help Siegward get out of the well or tell Patches that Greirat went there.
>>334989268
>Does this include the pygmy?
Indirectly, yes it does.
Since he split the Dark Soul with EVERYONE that didn't get a soul - so every other human. Any of them that helped the lords kill the dragons technically 'counts' as challenging the dragons.
This can include knights, archers, etc
>>334990954
Help Seigward in the Cathedral or tell Patches where Greirat went without buying the onion armor.
The quests this time around are fucky ducky, I know.
>>334945579
God, these endings were so shit compared to BB, where your character can become a literal god.
>>334992624
To be fair one is about trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe and the other is about delaying the apocalypse. I don't think it would make tonal sense for Dark Souls to have such a happy ending
I would like to defend Linking the Fire as it's constantly overlooked by edgelords.
You always think of the DS universe as a painful cycle, and linking the flame resets that cycle, so you want to end that. But you only think it's painful because Souls games awlays take place at the END of these cycles, the bad part.
We don't get to see the good parts of the cycle, the rise of great kingdoms, but we are constantly, repeatedly told of it through item descriptions. So we know for a fact there's a great part to the cycle, spanning centuries.
And you kids think we should essentially commit suicide for the world. Explain it.
>>334994967
Humanity is cursed and has to be cured, what's there not to get? Fool.
What do you do after you give the fire keeper the eyes? I declined and now I think she wants me to kill her, is that bad end?
>>334992624
>power fantasy
lol
>>334983506
Miyazaki loves head stomping ladies
gotta pull that Demons Souls man.
>>334995390
Edgelord. Blocked.
>when you realize the only fire that never fades is your own will to go on
>when you put the last fire out (yours) you're literally committing universal suicide
>>334993416
This.
Dark Souls can never have a happy ending or even remotely hopeful one.
Its the end of the world.
Hell even linking the fire just restarts the world; and you die along with the world you knew.
I wonder when we will get to beat the shit out of Kaathe and Frampt
>>334995912
I'd pay for that DLC.
WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN THE ASHEN ONE RUNS WILD ON YOU
I just linked the fire again, like everyone should do. I bet you non linking faggots picked the white ending in SMT IV.
>darkness is totally good guys
>don't pay attention to the fact that the only reason bad shit ever fucking goes down is because of the fire fading/darkness rising
What the heck is the difference between unkindled and undead? Everyone seems to rub it in your face the whole game that you're unkindled whereas they are just undead. Anri is mentioned to be regular undead, same with hawkeye, yet they are also tasked with the same thing as you. So why is there a distinction?
>>334996128
People see the endings where nothing but total blackness exists and think "this is fine" like that dog in the image macro. Literal retards
>>334996326
Anri calls herself unkindled when you first meet her.
>>334996326
Anri specifically says that she is also unkindled
Why does he step on waifu?
finished it a couple of days ago, all bosses. At the point where I'm buying all NPC wares and killing them off.
Torn between starting a new character or starting NG+.
>>334997008
>>334997069
Yuria says otherwise, she also sounds more knowledgeable than anri. But alas, Yuria is not the most trustworthy person to base lore on. Either way, neither of you answered the question.
>>334959387
Probably, depending on what you see as crucial.
But ultimately I think you only get additional context for the world and your actions, but there probably won't be a new happy ending incoming for the price of season pass.
>>334969526
next time keep being underage to yourself famuoli
WHAT IS THE GRAVEYARD
BLOODBORNE?
>>334998164
Tomb of the giants
>>334997340
Unkindled are basically Undead that can't hollow normally.
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