What did he mean by this?
>>334836508
>a trusted source
I guess his dad works for Nintendo.
developers didn't like ps2 architecture too anon
>Gadsden Flag
>@notaxation
>>334836508
>a trusted source who has talked with every dev on earth
yeah ok
le mind your feet avatar
>>334836675
Well this time they have an option to make their games non compatible with the PS4.5
So are developers actually going to have to change things for the PS4k? Or is it just gonna be a case of running the same binary without any changes to achieve the same/better performance?
>>334836508
What singular source would have ears on enough developers in order to discern what "most" think about it?
Oh wait, let me guess, the trusted source overheard two people talking about it and took it as "most".
>>334836508
>Colin Moriarty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqgRP5_YKu0
>>334836508
Too bad. They are lucky they get the opportunity to make games at all. Most of /v/ would kill to have their job.
>>334836609
They're in bed with Sony, and they're always talking to shuhei yoshida.
>>334836508
>Colin Moriarty
Wasn't he the dude from XTC?
What's he doing tweeting about vidya?
>Xbone not selling
>Sony releasing an irrelevant console
I can see it now. Nintendo returns to form to crush its enemies while they're weakened.
History Strikes again
>PS2 a success
>get cocky and release PS3
>Xbox 360 a success
>get cocky and release XBone
>Wii a success
>get cocky and release Wii U
now we have
>PS4 a success
>gets cocky and fucking makes the PS4.5
what cunt these days doesn't have a 'trusted source'
>>334837161
He was from IGN, and he was one their PlayStation fanboys
>>334836508
>@notaxation
nah, he doesn't know shit, he's just mad
read the rest of the tweets
>>334837081
>Most of /v/ would kill to have their job.
Working 80hours a week for like 80-120k a year probably doesn't seem too appealing when the guys above you are banking millions in bonuses without any technical work.
>>334837243
>PS4 a success
nigga are you serious?
>>334836934
>they have an option
lol
>>334837153
why is he starting the tantrum now then? should have started long time ago.
>>334837378
sales wise. they are untouchable amongst any other console this gen
>>334837378
it's not?
>>334837318
>120k
>120
Who the fuck makes that much making games? http://www.gamasutra.com/salarysurvey2014.pdf
Means they have to "optimize" for twice the amount of shit, outdated hardware. This triggers the developer.
>>334836983
>What singular source would have ears on enough developers in order to discern what "most" think about it?
Literally anyone involved in the roll out and support of the devkits, anyone in QA, anyone who attends one of the multitude of regular industry game dev meets, anyone who's been along to one of Sony's internal developer presentations.....the list is fucking huge and it's not at all surprising that devs aren't happy about having to incur higher costs of development and greater workloads because of Sony's knee jerk reaction to having shat out shitty hardware incapable of VR.
>>334837378
No gaems doesn't mean commercial failure. The PS4 is inexplicably selling tons of units every month. It's selling faster than the PS2, even.
>>334836508
Devs
>whaaa the ps4 is underpowed We want it more powerfull to fulfill our vision
4.5 "upgrade
>whaaa its too complicated to much effort
>>334836508
>Colin Moriarty
Why does a fictional character from fallout 3 care about the ps4.5?
Of course not its common sense
Sony is fucking up hard
>>334837457
He started bitching about it before when ps4k rumors first surfaced, but this tweet is just him getting more details
Sony is pulling a Sega? This going to be a 32X?
This shit is 599 US DOLLARS all over again.
>>334837378
40 millions with almost no games it's a commercial success.
>>334837378
Sales wise, yes. Sony would not exist anymore if Microsoft and Nintendo hadn't shot themselves in the foot with always online and choosing a stupid name that implies that it's not even a new console respectively.
The problem is that sony is FORCING EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPER TO MAKE PS4 AND PS45 VERSIONS OF EVERY GAME
What the fuck, how could you guysnot like colin Moriarty?
>eceleb shit
Yeah I know, but he's one of least cancerous niggers in vidya, even if he's butt buddies with Greg Miller.
means developers have to actually make good looking games
and they can't release games on xbone anymore without a shitton of downgrading
>>334836982
The new model isn't made create better looking games but to enable 4K support. If devs really have a problem with switching resolution there's something wrong with them.
>>334837563
>underpowered
That shit never happened. Hell, devs don't even care about performance anymore. Just look at the new sinful 30FPS ratchet and clank game.
>>334837701
ok bit you don't HAVE TO FUCKING YELL YOU CUNT
>>334837731
colin "stop being so entitled" moriarty
>>334837153
To literally who?
>>334837746
>http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-sonys-plan-for-playstation-4k-neo-revealed
The specs are different, there's more power available to developers here.
>>334837731
see
>>334837050
Now this time stay on YouTube
I wonder what's going to happen when devs have to make a ps4 game, another version for the ps4.5, another for xbone and another for the pc.
I wonder wich version will get the short end of the stick ?
its the pc version
if you think ports were shit, wait for this
>>334837378
>>334837559
>>334837660
>no gaems
I love playing Bloodborne and SFV on my Xbone and Wii U
>>334837701
Can't you just keep the settings the same on both versions?
>>334837378
Are you retarded, anon?
>>334836508
Who could have guessed that devs dont like having to basically make versions of a console game, or exclude a large consumerbase if they decide to make a game only for the 4K.
Sony has effectively killed themselves with this move.
>>334837616
Only if games come out that require PS4.5.
>>334837938
Even if you can its still more shit you have to go through for no reason only that papa sony demands it
Its bullshit
>>334837926
I said "almost no games" because Bloodborne and SFV.
>>334837558
>Literally anyone involved in the roll out and support of the devkits, anyone in QA, anyone who attends one of the multitude of regular industry game dev meets, anyone who's been along to one of Sony's internal developer presentations
Wow, crazy, so one person involved in any one of those is in a position to determine what most developers think?
"Most" does not mean "ones I know/seen" or "some", it means MOST.
I agree that it's probably correct, but claiming it as factual because of some unnamed "trusted source" that couldn't possibly account for the opinions of most developers is fucking stupid.
>>334837857
Yes and sony also said it's all about 4K not better assets. Their goal is to create a machine that will run a ps4 game identically to a base model only in a higher resolution.
How many retards will buy this console even though they already have the normal ps4?
>Sony and MS making retarded extensions for their cucked no-games consoles
Can we all admit that console gaming is as good as dead?
F
>>334837378
as much as its a trash system...
>>334837378
I did not make this to be intentionally facetious
>>334837997
There's no reason to believe that this won't just work like the new and old 3DS.
>>334837050
this is the video why /v/ hates him?
he's just saying don't attack the writers and developers of the game
presentation is awful and he comes off douchy but the message is sound
These people need to start giving out details on what their sources are
>>334837910
>PC version has best potential for adaptability
>don't develop with that in mind and just shove straight console ports to PC platform
Modern game devs, ladies and gentlemen.
At least some devs have tried to fix the errors in their ways and patch bugs after launch or have decent launch options, (Compile Heart surprisingly being one of them).
>>334838018
A lot, judging by how dudebros swapped their dying 360 for new models.
> buy PS4.5
> no dev bothers making a 4.5 version of games
When does the cycle of no games end?
>>334836508
it's going to be hilarius if suddenly some ps4 games start running even more like shit on ps4/ps4.5 because they aren't porting it as they should. just imagine if some game for some reason has worse performance or bugs on ps4.5
>>334838018
I've held off buying a PS4 to finish my backlog, so all this is just gravy to me.
>>334838079
It wont, otherwise they wouldnt have said anything.
If you want release physical copies you will have to make PS4 and PS45 versions with different boxes
Devs are really pissed
>>334838060
>Atari 26000
>30 million
Was Pac Fever really that great of a promotion?
>>334837938
The Giantbomb article mentioned the only requirements was that the PS4.5 version of games can't have exclusive features, and any graphical improvements can't make it run worse than the PS4 version.
>>334837526
Lead programmers/artists, TD's, RnD, Producers, Directors.....fucking tons of positions make that sort of money and a hell of a lot more.
Depending on the projects, crunch time and overtime rates, expedrienced mid level artists/code monkeys can crack a 100k a year with fucking ease.
Last gig I had as a pre-vis modeler/animator wound up to around 156k a year during crunch, granted I only worked close to 6 months at that rate, but that's the joy of film, you work 60-100 hour weeks for months on end, then it's captain underpants n vidya for the rest of the year.
>>334836508
that's the same guy that never predicts conferences right
>>334836983
M8. Lorne Lanning was on Game Informer yesterday cussing out Sony for their plans and calling PSVR a "Poison". Back in 2013 he was shilling them like crazy. Some developers are openly bitching about this and others need to go through sources on twitter because they are AAA's or working on Sony exclusives.
>>334838172
>no dev bothers making a 4.5 version of games
Isn't the new model set to replace the old in stores? They'll recall all unsold stock I tell you.
Sony's first/second party titles are all I care about. As long as they release a 4.5 version, I'm set.
>>334838172
Sony is forcing them to.
>>334838279
Pre vis is different from making games you stupid fuck, read the link I posted.
>>334838121
thats not how journalism works
the source's job may be at stake if he is found out
so if he stays anonymous but keeps telling journalists information that turns out true then he becomes a trusted source
>>334838018
I've been waiting for the PS4 to actually get games, so this is good news for me
>>334838114
>artist makes a shit drawing
>don't call him out on it guys! it's not fair!
>>334837967
so much wrong information
>most developers
Otherwise known as, a bunch of san francisco indie devs no one cares about
>>334836508
Does this mean that PC ports will have better assets and stuff?
This isn't surprising at all if its true. The average developer can barely optimize for the two consoles we have and now Sony wants them to make a third console version to worry about.
>>334838114
thats not it and also get the fuck out
>>334838429
Possibly.
>>334838060
literally the worst Sony has ever done
>>334838417
death threats and personal insults are not really good criticism
>>334838301
m8
did this source go around to every developer and determine what they felt about it?
Because if the source is a developer, even if he asked all his dev friends, it wouldn't come close to be able to claim what most developers feel about any fucking topic.
>>334837413
Why is that funny? What's stopping a developer from putting their games on Xbox One and PC. If it cost too much you just don't develop for that console.
>>334838534
>>334838534
um
So if I already own a bretty gud PC and a Wii U is there a real reason to buy the other two consoles?
>>334837050
>>334838417
not the point of the video. Criticism is fine, crybabies wanting the ending to be changed isn't.
>>334836508
So this is new nintendo 3ds situation.
>baaaw sony, your console that isnt 600$ cant run every new game that developers make at 60fps and 1080p, please fix this!
>baaw sony do you want me to buy an optional console that can run the same games optionally with the a higher framerate and higher resolution?
outrageous sony, I wont forget this!
>>334837926
SFV? On PC?
>>334836508
In the end it doesn't matter. There are what, 40 million of those floating out there? Devs will follow the money. They can cut potential sales by 40 million or get on board.
I'm not saying it's good or bad. It just is.
>>334837660
>>334837559
selling consoles doesn't mean they're making money either, money is in software and now subscription fees and DLC. Sony sold 80 million PS3s but still lost money on it. PS4 is making them something but I think even Nintendo is making more money on games since they still sell tons of their own software and the 3DS owns the portable market. Sony needs to sell games to go with the hardware, they get a lot less from 3rd party sale.
>>334836508
>hisss please don't step on my tail thanks lads hisssss...
>>334838746
You've overstayed your welcome, time to go back to where you came from.
>>334836508
PS4.5 is a good thing. This means PC console ports will have the potential for higher settings than the current shit were given.
Think about it: devs actually complained they have a new hardware to work with. We're they ever committed to the PC platform in the first place, that would be just one rig on top of a hundred. It's nothing. But these news pretty much confirm devs are lazy pieces of shit.
One could even go as far as to argue devs were happy just developing for xbone and PS4 (virtually the same machine) and the new PS4.5 is a problem to them because now they actually have to port it over decently to higher settings / a different spec.
When you think about it, mustard race should be happy with these news
>>334837378
Everyone else shit the bed so badly that Sony won by default, now they've gotten cocky and are going to dick their existing customers.
>>334838865
shhhh.
>>334836508
If its basically the same thing but more powerful i doubt it would be that big of an issue
>>334838880
>PS4.5 is a good thing. This means PC console ports will have the potential for higher settings than the current shit were given.
Agreed. PCMR fags should shut the fuck up and be glad that the PS4.5 is coming, it can only mean better multiplats.
>Gen 7 let's devs stay comfortable with low-tier specs from 2006 til 2012
>Gen 8 gives devs low-mid specs that work on x86 architecture so they can easily port all their Gen 7 games for easy lazy money (REMASTERED!!!)
>Gen 8.5 they can't pull the same trick of selling remastered games AGAIN because it hasn't been even 5 years yet since they released said remastered games so now they have to TRY developing their new games
I can see why they'd be flustered after getting too used to developing for less-than-great platforms for the past 10 years.
>>334838060
>Every nintendo console selling than the previous one expect Wii
I guess that shit probably hyped their spirits and fate into WiiU too much.
>>334837785
yea Kh3 would never get released on a ps3 back in the day due to not being powerfull enough to show their vision of the game
>>334838896
Everybody should've seen big dick Sony coming the minute they announced PS+ was becoming mandatory. What's worse is that people leaped to defend them in droves.
>>334838896
Chill m8 the PSP had a similar upgrade and it was almost never used in anything besides hacked cfw
>>334837785
Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking faggot, the new Ratchet and Clank is fantastic.
>>334837559
>It's selling faster than the PS2
tfw 2000 was 20 years ago
>>334838880
You're forgetting about xbone.
>>334838008
>Wow, crazy, so one person involved in any one of those is in a position to determine what most developers think?
Well...yeah, especially in regards to someone involved with the devkit rollout, they're dealing with a metric ton of communication with all of the studios working with the product, they absolutely would know what "most" devs think about the situation.
Same goes for anyone working for FPQA SONY, they are literally living and breathing the mess that is PS4K and have now magically had their workload quite literally doubled.
Whilst i'm not saying whatever chucklefuck is claiming to have a source on "most" devs actually has a source, there is a TON of inter-studio communication and interaction, especially in and around LA.
It's not uncommon to find the brain trusts of all the big first party Sony developers in the same place at the same time drinking and bitching....especially after having sat through hours of horseshit slide show presentations at internal tech conferences.
>>334838961
its actually the opposite
devs having to do another skew of their games on top of the 3 they already have to make will not result in better pc ports
do you think they'll have magically more people/ressources to make it happen ?
they'll put less time in the pc port as a result and it'll be even shitter than it is now
>>334836508
More work.
It's not like they have to completely drop support for the old PS4, now they have to make sure the game works on both. It's not like a PC where it'll scale perfectly on beefier hardware, shit could break because of the differences between the PS4/NEO hardware so they have to test for both.
Such is the nature of closed platforms
>>334838880
>>334838961
That's not what Tecmo Koei thought when they brought over their ports of PS3 and Arcade versions of already existing PS4 games to PC.
That doesn't even address the poor developer issues of having a majority of their games mechanics tied to framerate.
To add to that, it won't prevent disasters like Assassin's Creed and Arkham Knight.
>>334836508
>Making good graphics is hard
A bit off topic but is it worth it to get a 4K TV? I've been using a 32 inch 720p (upscales to 1080p) TV for probably over 6 years now.
>>334839201
What do you mean?
>>334839073
Are you a poorfag anon:^)
I hated that thing through, seriously, they are forcing everyone to pay a p2p service, for the fuck sake.
>>334839221
It's a higher ceiling for graphics, babe. Shit like tesselation, textures etc. are 100% bottlenecked by the PS4, and will be less so in the 4.5.
>>334836508
What's the fucking problem? It's literally a PS4 with faster clock speeds and a bigger GPU. Develop your game for the standard PS4, run it at better frame rates/resolutions on the PS4K.
>>334836508
I highly doubt that twitter faggot is telling the truth. He's making shit up to feel important.
How do I know? It's because 4.5 is literary just a more powerful processing, ram and gpu. There's no fucking reason to have to develop around anything. Just make it the same way for the original ps4. It's not like they changed the architect to a entirely different console. Anyone who actually builds their own computer could tell you that.
>>334839270
Parity.
>>334839265
Only if you get like a 50" one.
size still trumps resolution so a 1080p projector beats any TV
>>334839265
Not yet, probably in 2-3 years.
>>334836508
He means that developers don't relish the idea of working with two different sets of specs for the same console, adding to their workload and running the risk of dividing their players.
English, my man, English. Can't you understand it?
>>334839329
devs are literally the laziest fags, as demonstrated with their lackluster PC ports
it's no wonder they're complaining about this shit
I think nintendo and sega have already proven that partial upgrades on consoles or handhelds don't work
>>334839210
They should be applauded for creating the first ever console civil war though. Endless entertainment.
>>334839185
It's not, and PS2 had strong numbers later due to becomming available or a lot less expensive in territories PS4 is already available in. It has no where to expand like PS2 did the market is saturated, anyone who wants a PS4 can get one.
>>334838138
I love PC gaming so much. Like how all of Psychonauts character models flicker, shadows in the subway of GTA V change into random textures, and a mirade of other stupid problems that there's no fix for.
>>334837610
This will still have the better edge over the NX.
>>334838367
>Pre vis is different from making games you stupid fuck, read the link I posted.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Salary/Naughty-Dog-Salaries-E134488.htm?&countryRedirect=true
https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Salary/Insomniac-Games-Salaries-E269543.htm?&countryRedirect=true
>>334839436
They already develop for 3 different platforms (xbone, PS4, PC), soon to be 4 (Nintendo NX).
Adding a 5th platform makes no difference.
>>334839463
New 3DS andGame Boy Colorsold pretty well tho.
I believe it will do 4K, but the same way the PS4 does 1080p.
Low framerate cap, inconsistent performance, "variable resolution" and shit like that, it will not be a good gaming experience.
This is incredibly premature, a PC that can run 4K games usually needs dual GPUs and cost upwards of a thousand dollars, and actual support for 4K is still early days.
It's financially impossible for Sony to meet that performance level and sell the consoles at 500-ish dollars, even if they were selling at a huge loss.
Sony is jumping on 4K before they've even got true 1080p gaming worked out, which has been a standard in the industry for a decade.
They should focus on that before jumping into an underdeveloped standard that isn't even off the ground yet on the most powerful systems.
>>334839463
>partial upgrade
do you actually go into threads knowing nothing of the subject and just start talking ?
you do?
ah well, dont let me stop you
>>334836508
Not surprising. The PS4.5 is just going to add extra costs to the already over-inflated budgets of AAA games. Imagine your average, buggy-ass AAA release but multiplied by 2. Devs are going to have to develop, optimize, test, and patch two separate versions of the same game for the same platform, it's going to be a fucking mess.
>>334839321
That has nothing to do with what he said. Less time and manpower will be put into PC ports because of the extra work for the console versions. We will get even crappier ports, they're already and afterthought for most devs and better visuals on PS4 won't magically make the PC port better when there's less time and money spent on it.
The whining devs are ridiculous. Sony has a top notch documentation and support for the ps4. This isn't the ps3 and cell architecture.
>>334839387
You mean that, rather than playing games on a more powerful machine , on better settings, devs will choose to make shit settings to keep parity with a failed console?
I don't mean to imply you're wrong in any way, shape or form. I just hope devs realize how stupid such a move would be
>>334839629
Did the New 3DS sell well?
And I had in mind the expansion pack and the DSi but fair point, maybe they sometimes work
>>334838336
This. Why would you ever buy a console without liking its first party output? Ratchet and Clank, InFamous, Tearaway, LittleBigPlanet, Gravity Rush, Uncharted, Bloodborne, I've liked this gen a lot so far.
>>334839334
not how it works
you still have to test it and that takes time away from the others skews
maybe not as much as another version altogether but its still a bad idea
>>334839728
its not going to be anything related to 4k resolution you fucking retard, the name 4k is something somone on the internet called it, shut the fuck up
>>334839757
I find that unlikely; if the rumors are to be believed the difference in devving for the NEO and PS4 should be minimal.
The PS4K will probably just be used for 4K for weeb garbage that looks like shit because it doesn't take that much processing power to shit out a higher res of that
>>334839772
i hope you're trolling
find me a game that doesnt drop frames on ps4
>>334839745
>but multiplied by 2
Oh my think about developing for the PC and it's endless stream of brands and configurations. No wonder no one develops PC games! Fuck of retard.
>>334837746
>The new model isn't made create better looking games but to enable 4K support.
>4K support
It's only a marginal increase to the specs, not nearly enough to play any game at 4K besides some 2D indie games.
>>334839797
Did the N64 expansion pack not go over well? I didn't know anyone that didn't have one.
>>334839629
If it's a throwaway iteration that's marginally better, I don't care about the PS4K, but if it is meant to replace the original I'd be fucking pissed.
>>334839840
>current PS4 struggles to maintain 1080p 60 FPS
>new PS4 is going to magically render at 4k and 60 FPS and STILL only cost $499
God people are fucking retarded
>>334836508
by that logic they would hate the PC platform and not develop anything for it, yet here we are
>>334839797
Nintendo's handheld revisions always sell fine, they're not meant to be a direct upgrade you "have" to buy and there are traditionally few games only on the new model. They also price them well and devs usually just target the old model. GBC might be the exception but at the time it was released the GB was almost a decade old.
>>334837378
Wrong
>>334839623
those developers complaining are probably indie developers.
most "mainstream" developers make games for current and last gen so yeah, it probably wont make much difference to them.
>>334836508
>Most devs don't want to do more work
Wow and it took the ps4.5 for them to say it.
>>334839840
Nice rebuttal of my points.
>>334840056
>yet here we are
With halfassed ports?>>334840056
>>334839728
>a PC that can run 4K games usually needs dual GPUs and cost upwards of a thousand dollars
nice bait
people ran 5760x1080 (75% of 4K) years ago on single GPUs. low-mid detail 4k is playable even on a 290x/390.
PS4.5 will most likely use Polaris 10 and therefore exceed 290x/390 performance.
>Consoles are literally just shittier PCs
Kek
What the fuck is the point?
>>334839905
If it requires more time and attention from the dev, the PC port will suffer because that's on the bottom of their priority list as it is. The work done on the new PS4 version will not magically translate to the PC port.
>>334839932
You can have the best documentation in the world but that will not help you when you develop a game with shit programmers and overambitious designers. I swear modern designers don't incorporate any platform limitations in making their games. They just roll with it and hope the programmers will manage to make it work more or less fluid. It's like saying the snes was a bad system because it had slowdowns and flickering.
>>334839805
Yeah, so I don't care if call of duty 54 doesn't come with 4.5 support, I didn't buy the system for it. If all of a sudden first/second party titles are launching without 4.5 support, then shit is fucked and I'm getting a refund one way or another.
>>334839629
Difference is the 3DSs cost $200, at most, and they're not direct upgrades. Not to mention Nintendo isn't actively fucking over old 3DS owners because, with the exception of Hyrule Warriors, every single 3DS game plays exactly the same between both the N3DS and old 3DS.
>>334839957
You can play well optimized games at 4K resolution on a GTX 750ti, but at very low settings with all the post disabled of course.
That's basically what the consoles already do for 1080p gaming.
It's very possible, albeit not at all desirable.
>>334840020
It was packed with certain games that required it so if you bought the game you got the pack too
>>334836508
>no one pointed out his profile pic yet
>>334839957
And you somehow know this better than a team of hardware engineers? 4K and VR is literally their main aim with this upgrade.
>>334840198
It's possible, but I'm being optimisticbecause there's not anything else I can do
>>334839957
I really do think a technology multinational corporation has a bit more knowledge of the architecture of their product than some shitposter on /v/, but nevertheless, thanks for your input.
>>334840178
>videogames are literally just shittier movies
Kek
What the fuck is the point?
>>334840249
I'm surprised Hyrule Warriors runs on the thing at all
>>334840315
>>334836693
someone already did you belligerent faggot
>>334839937
PC developers have standardized chipsets to develop for, consoles don't. And there's a reason multitudes of PC games are horribly optimized.
>>334840178
This has literally been the case for two generations now. Literally the only reason to ever bother with a console is because of exclusives, ie good games being held hostage.
>>334838419
Source: my ass
>>334840503
>consoles don't
u wot m8?
>>334840464
The flag >>334836693 mentioned is the twitter avatar, not >>334840315 what posted, you cockend.
>>334836508
Of course they don't like it. It takes years to make a game, so if they start working on a game shortly after a new console launches, that game will hit the market right around the time the .5 version of it comes out. It basically forces devs into shorter development cycles, meaning either games will start coming out even more broken than they do already, or we're in for a future of 1 hour long games.
>>334840647
You fucking retard learn to read
>no one pointed out his profile pic
We're talking about the fucking profile pic, not the pic anon added on to make fun of the original profile pic.
Kill yourself immediately.
>>334836508
It means what it means.
The same shit that happened with the Sega Saturn, devs being too incompetent to actually properly multithread. The majority of PS3 games still are only using 2 cores.
>>334840423
>>334840356
Look at the specs. The current ps4 struggles with current games at 1080p at 30 fps for fucks sake. It's not going to magically start playing Ass Creed and Uncharted at 4K because you wish hard enough. Sony themselves haven't said shit about whether 4K is the target anyway, just some retards on the internet labeling it that because they don't know any better. It doesn't have the specs to reach 4K in vidya. End of story.
>>334840583
Nah, before consolefags at least had the excuse that they don't have to upgrade their console for an entire gen.
Now, that's not even true, because as much as Sony likes to assure people that they won't, we all know that they WILL make games for the PS4k exclusively.
Only Sonyggers still fall for their lies.
>>334836508
>>Colin Moriarty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC-MKzl1mig
>>334840812
yes, and you keep on upgrading your GPU MS announces DX 10 then 11, then 11.1, oh wait, it's on 12 now.
>>334840808
>Sony themselves haven't said shit about whether 4K is the target anyway
The whole upgrade is related to japan switching to 4K tv by 2020. It's literally the main reason. Sony wants a head start into that market.
>>334840812
Fair point, I suppose.
I think they'll stick to their guns on the no Neo exclusives, but the flip side of that is games are probably going to be completely unplayable on the base PS4 past a certain point, once devs start creating the "base" mode as an afterthought.
>>334840808
>Look at the specs.
Specs are Polaris 10, which AMD showed running Hitman maxed out @ 2560x1440 @ 60fps. If it can max out the PC version at 2560x1440 it can max out the console version at 4k.
>>334840969
Funfact, DX10, 11, and 12 are all backwards compatible.
Even nowadays you can run an old GTX 460 and still play modern DX12 games.
>>334841016
4K blu ray and streaming video is certainly feasible. Retards thinking vidya will be 4K need a reality check though.
>>334841085
>modern DX12 games.
Are there any modern games out yet that are DX12 only?
>>334841085
fun fact, a dx 11 card won't work with dx 11.1.
a dx 10 card won't work with dx 12.
another fun fact, you're a knob.
>>334841085
except a 460 is so outdated it can't actually run any of the DX12 games at more than 10fps
>>334839436
>>334839623
no such a thing as different platform you idiots
it's the same API
>>334838316
I'll buy all the old PS4 and give them away for free and start a revolution when the masses realize how hard Sony is fucking everyone
>>334840969
I feel like you really, REALLY, want to make a point, but that you don't actually understand anything you're talking about.
But that's ok, because at least you tried.
>>334840812
>before
Do you even realize this isn't even the first time sony upgraded a system with better specs? PSOne had a faster drive the PSP had faster CPU and 2x more ram, Nintendo did it with N64DD not to mention Sega with it's dozens of console variants and addons. But to pkeks this is something new. You guys are waaaaay behind the times it seems.
>>334839413
You'll have to be 50 cm to the TV for a 50" TV to see a a difference between 1080p and 2160p.
>>334841194
>fun fact, a dx 11 card won't work with dx 11.1.
Stopped reading there.
You're a fucking moron.
>>334841212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWxpoeGlJL4
>>334836508
HOW THE FUCK IS IT POSSIBLE THAT DEVELOPERS CAN'T OPTIMIZE THEIR FUCKING GAMES CORRECTLY
IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR AND GAMES STILL RUN AT N64 LEVEL
WHAT THE FUCK?! I'M SICK OF SHITTY 25 FPS GAMES ON MY PS4 IT'S ENOUGH
HOW IS 60FPS NOT THE STANDARD
>>334836508
>Collin Moriarty
no thanks, he's one of those fags that need to die, same with John Oliver
another thing, it isn't exactly easy to make the same game but better graphics and release it on the same day.
>Sony & Devs: Consoles are so great because you only have to optimize for 1
>Now a second PS4 with double the horsepower & more RAM
>>334841079
>If it can max out the PC version at 2560x1440 it can max out the console version at 4k.
Yeah right, the rumored PS4K specs indicate it only has 25% more memory bandwidth than the PS4. 4K gaming on it will be a disaster.
Plus, the CPU at 2.1GHz will still be the bottleneck in most games as it is now with the current PS4, maybe more so as developers attempt to target higher framerates and visual settings.
>>334841337
>Slight CPU upgrade, a faster HDD, and more RAM are at all comparable to a huge jump in GPU performance
Are you retarded?
so will games be able to run at 1080 @ 60 fps?
>>334841079
>If it can max out the PC version at 2560x1440 it can max out the console version at 4k.
That's wishful thinking, and it's not even confirmed polaris 10, just rumoured specs to be close to that.
Is there an aspect of this that could mean more games come to pc, or even in more optimized because they are optimizing in steps instead of staticly.
>>334841402
Because thank god video output isn't tied to the refresh rate of a tv anymore like it was in the early 90s
>>334841402
you can't screenshot 60FPS and sell it to the masses
most video feeds and ads stuff is at 30fps anyway
why bother when retards even pretend or delude themselves into saying they can't tell the difference
memetics
>>334841507
No because 60 fps would cause issues in multiplayer games previously locked at 30 fps. See: Monster Hunter for the 3DS. Split communities, buggy, laggy multiplayer. Sony is going to the same thing Scholar of the First Sin but with an entire CONSOLE. I have a PS4 but even if I upgrade to a PS4K it would still be cheaper than a gaming rig at least
>>334838647
you must not be aware of how the real world works. they have contractual obligations. They can't just decide not to publish shit on a console.
>>334841079
>Specs are Polaris 10
No, just an unidentified Polaris chip.
>>334841507
No, because optimization is too hard :(((
>>334841507
no because they keep chasing after more and more fidelity
they can't release games that look worse or around the same
it has to improve forever and thus framerate is shittier and shittier forever
>>334841616
>>334841634
>still playing on TV
You are the problem 2bh
>>334841601
>>334841730
It's virtually guaranteed. Polaris 10 is almost the same die size as 7870. With the CPU cores being shrunk they probably have exactly the same overall die size as the PS4 APU.
>>334841487
m8 the 64DD was such a jump that the games for it weren't even backwards compatible just like the 32x.
So either games on PS4 will be cost prohibitive or there are going to be a massive minority that use the NEO. My guess is Sony will mandate NEO support because it's otherwise stupid to release the thing.
>>334836824
DEUS VULT
>>334841783
i don't tho
just saying most people do
>>334841337
>PSP had faster CPU
No it didn't, Sony released a firmware update that allowed to run at 333MHz, some games took advantage of it like God of War. If you're referring to the PSPGO, no one gave a shit and not a single game ever used it because it was DOA.
>>334836508
>most devs only want to put in the bare minimum effort
No suprise there.
Also Moriarty is a cunt.
hole point of the new ps4 has less to do with the actual games and more to do with selling 4k tv's.
>>334841402
Would you rather have current PS4 graphics at 900p30, and rarely a 1080p30 game, or PS3-level graphics at 1080p60?
Those are your only options.
>>334836508
Whoa, 1080/60p is "nonsense"
this will be another wild ride
can't wait for the threads when e3 time cometh
>>334841016
>japan switching to 4k by 2020
Most anime isn't even 1080p, I don't think that will be the case.
>>334841917
And sony tvs are fucking overpriced.
No wonder gooks sell more TVs
>>334841402
Why bother when most people will buy and praise their games no matter how bad the performance is
>>334837856
Shuhei Yoshida, literally a two second google search you fucking moron:Shuhei Yoshida is President of Sony's Worldwide Studios for Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Yoshida is among those responsible for the creation of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.'s 170-person internal product development team
>>334841969
Everything is always a meme and a gimmick, until the platform I support has that thing.
Then it becomes a must have
>>334841953
60fps is the only option, i'm here to PLAY the games
>>334841953
>PS3-level graphics at 1080p60
This is what the Wii U does for the most part and it's my favorite console this generation so I pick that one.
>>334841079
Those Polaris cards AMD is showing off playing Hitman are going to be five hundred plus dollars when they launch. There is no way whatever Sony puts in the PS4 is going to match its performance. Even if they did shove a full scale Polaris card in there, it would probably be bottlenecked to hell by that laughably weak CPU. Polaris is an architecture, just because they are using that architecture in the PS4 doesn't mean you are going to get the same performance out of it as you will a R9 490. You are setting yourself up for disappointment here if you think this thing is going to play real games at 2160p.
Take it from someone currently gaming at 4k, this thing isn't going to play normal PS4 games like bloodborne at 4k with specs like that. It just isn't going to happen. It's probably just going to have better framerates with games at 1080p and have support for 4k netflix and other streaming services over HDMI 1.4 at 30fps. They might be able to get away with putting some bare bones indies games like Geometry Wars or Limbo at 4k, but not much else.
>>334842013
It's a official goal of the government. The Olympics will be broadcast in 4K
>Consolefags falling for AMD's hype
Oh god, here we go again.
I remember when HSA and huMA were supposed to be the new hot shit in town, and 3 years later?
Nothing.
>>334841507
Because https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_o6DxhslAI
>>334842013
Didn't NHK said that they started broadcasting at 4K planning to go up to 8K since a year and a half ago?
Did they really do that or was it just bullshit?
>>334841953
>PS3-level graphics at 1080p60?
I chose this, DmC: Definitive Edition and The Last of Us Remastered looked amazing on the PS4 and they run at 60fps
SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Bloodborne looks like PS3 games but runs like shit wtf come on
You are CEO Kaz and who of these 3 people do you give the task of being the messenger of PS4 Neo at E3? Or do you man up and deliver the news yourself.
>>334837378
>PS4 a success
>nigga are you serious?
Yes, see how on /v/ PS4 fanbase are non-existent, the entire catalog is about Xbox vs Nintendo.
>>334836508
It means devs know what Sony doesn't: people gon' be PISSED. Literally no one likes this PS4.5 shit. Make your hardware and stick with it. For 8 years
>>334841969
Developers won't hit 60fps on PS4K anyway because the CPU is only 30% faster than the current PS4.
>>334842202
broadcasting at 4k is not the same as having the source at 4k(recorded at 4k, drawn at 4k)
>>334842013
don't they do that on purpose now to sell bluerays?
>>334842192
>Sonyfags constantly talk about Ayyysnc making their console more powerful for VR
>Only games using it are The Order 1886, Ashes Of The Singularity, Quantum Break and Rise Of The Tomb Raider
>>334838069
The X1 isn't much different. The PS4 and X1 are heading towards being as different as two different branded DVD or Blu-Ray players given the exclusives aren't really bought in high quantities.
>>334837318
Does working 120 hours a week for 30-40k sound better? Because that's where a lot of poor people are
>>334842391
Best part is that AotS isn't even on consoles.
It probably won't be that much better to justify me selling the old ps4 for dirt and buying that one
>>334842261
They should put Kevin Butler surfing on Iwatas casket wearing a XBONE is dead t-shirt up for it. That would be insulting enough.
