What's wrong with Hearthstone? Have they run out of ideas?
>>334823023
> Buy your 40 booster pack today! Only 59,99!
>pay2win
Is this a serious question?
>>334823591
It's not pay2win
>>334823591
But it's a card game dontcha know
Selling my account for 250$
Got more or less all cards with the exception of some rares and legendary ones.
3k dust
2k gold.
>>334823750
Any goldens?
>>334823750
>$250
I'll give you $10.
>>334823023
>straight upgrade to a free card no one uses
>no one uses the upgraded card either
>PAY 2 WIN GUYZ
>>334823908
I dust all the goldens. Some commons still left here and there.
>>334823023
Nobody used bootybay. Literally ever.
Nobody uses Heckler either.
And thats not saying he is only used in niche decks or something. Literally nobody uses him.
Cards like this exist for the purpose of arena. Its not an example of p2w or real powercreep.
>>334823660
>"It's not pay to win, it's pay to get content quicker."
Oh right, sorry I forgot.
>>334823591
>>334824119
It's a fucking ccg you underage retard
>>334824119
Those are different things
>>334823660
Its either pay2win or grind2catchup. Fuck grinding games this game is shit. The card system is actually fun, but it is nothing but grind
>>334824390
>pay2win or grind2catchup
Those are different things though. Being p2w implies that paying guarantees you winning over non-paying players
>>334824390
>>334824119
I love how you faggot keep throwing around Pay 2 win like every CCG isnt this. you pay for packs and you get random cards that is how this works.
>>334823023
Power creep
>>334823750
thats some weakshit
>>334824595
How about we call it Pay 2 pray to RNGjesus win then?
>>334823023
I'm not a fan of hearthstone and haven't played the game since just before release, as I had gotten bored of the game and its levels of RNG during beta.
From your screenshot I'm half guessing the bottom card is of a higher rarity? While the Goblin is a common, and as such you will find more of them in packs than the old man.
The reason for its -1 cost is due to its rarity.
I'm half guessing with their new set rotations and newly implemented "standard" format only one of these cards will be usable at a time? Where in legacy you'll be able to have a more taunt-heavy deck archetype if that's what you're looking to play.
This happens often in MTG, reprints or replacements of older cards as they rotate out.
>>334824595
why does other CCGs also being p2w make hearthstone not p2w
>>334824595
>>334824180
The guaranteed justification.
>>334823660
Its pay2notgrind but the grind is excessively long to the point where it basically becomes pay2win
>>334824936
close. the Goblin comes with the basic set that all players get when they start. the Evil Heckler is a common card from an expansion pack
>>334825102
But it's not pay2win, paying is one quarter, setting up your deck another quarter, getting the right cards in your hand the third quarter and playing the right cards is the last quarter.
>>334825369
It's basically pay2win
That's just the nature of card games
>>334823023
Yes.
>>334825472
But I'm telling you that all card games is not a matter of throwing the most money at it and hoping to win.
People like to bring up Magic the gathering, and guess what if you don't get any land cards within the first two turns then you might as well give up. How is a scenario like that p2w?
>>334823023
Absolutely.
If Hearthstone was a standalone game that had a single cost and included every card for all players, it might be good. But it's not.
>>334825696
a player who paid and a player who did not will both lose when they don't draw lands
in the (somewhat likely) case that both players get to play the game, a player who did not pay has no chance
I have no idea how someone can take this game seriously when the people whose JOBS it is to take it seriously, i.e. the professional players, know the game is complete dog shit in terms of balance
It's some serious Twilight Zone shit. It's hilarious.
>>334823023
>Comparing a card you get for free to a card you get as a COMMON in a pack for 100 gold
Shaking my head and laughing my ass off at your life right now
>Free Classic packs from brawls
>Standard mode booting out GvG/Naxx which were the biggest walls holding back new players
>Recent adventures/expansions have relatively few "must have" cards
>3 free Whispers of the Old God packs + 1 legendary
>WotOG is shaping up to be 90% dust anyways
Its really not hard for a new f2p player to get in at this point.
>>334825036
hurr durr I shouldnt have to grind nor pay for something, wahh I want to be handed to me on a silver platter.
please kill yourself.
>>334826758
I shouldn't
>blizzard masters of grind
>>334826669
This game is completely RNG based and pay2win. Until maybe the next expansion. It's actually decent when you compare it to tgt which had only trash and extremely op card.
>>334826669
unless it turns out C'thun decks become a new meta
but of the 3 good control classes, which one would be best?
>>334823023
I like to play just enough to get the 3 quests done each time (and a brawl)
The grinding at the beginning is unreal. Once you are at the point you can enter brawls and buy one adventure it becomes better, then you gradually get more cards and are able to create more decks and the game becomes more fun little by little.
The game is definitely balanced around you cashing out. its terribly unfun until you get a fuckload of cards
it is
>>334826284
I know. I was watching Kripp's stream last night and he admitted that he's not going to play competitively next expansion since he finds the game "boring."
>>334827878
It's almost like streaming a game for years can burn you out.
>>334827878
>listening to kripp
When has he ever played the game competitively? All he does is grind arena and drink orange juice.
Every streamer that enters tournaments is excited for the set.
>>334824390
That's why 'pay not to grind' is the exact same thing as pay2win
>>334829680
Except for the part where a large percent of the player base is sitting on a few thousand gold and dust and plan on just buying 30+ packs with gold and crafting everything else they want after they dust their nerfed cards.
The pay2win might be shit, but wrecking a nerd with a "fully heal your character" card so hard that he gives up the next turn after he heals feels too good
>>334827878
Well, Kripp has stated repeatedly that he doesn't find any appeal in playing the game competitively, because of how competitive play involves playing the exact same deck over and over hundreds of times. That is why he plays Arena, because it is at least a bit varied.
That being said, I don't think he really *enjoys* the game very much any more. It is very much a job for him at this point (not that I am criticizing him, there are much worse jobs to have).
>>334830425
I really hope that reno wont be nerfed, he makes a lot of decks viable and combats aggro meta. If blizz is smart they will keep him as he is and balance the game well until he rotates out
>>334826758
Nice strawman faggot.
It's a CASUAL game that needs to played FULLTIME in order to be free.
Full. fucking. time.
Same story with HoTS
Will probably be the same story with OnlyWatch
I played both HoTS and CasinoStone both fulltime and still ended up having to inject cash in order to play the way I wanted to and not lose my fucking mind.
It's a terrible model.
>>334830718
Overwatch is an actual full priced game, not "Free2Play". The characters won't cost money to unlock beyond the cost of the game itself.
>take 20 damage
>heal 10
>molten giant costs 10 mana instead of 0
>play soulpriest
>play reno at 29 health
>take 30 instead of 1 damage
>druid of the claw gets +2 health
>silence
>still has +2 health
>different wording on dozens of cards that do the same thing
>opponent plays card that says all your healing turns to damage
>play healing spell on enemy
>it doesn't turn to damage
wew lad
>>334825582
A cardgame with RNG needs shit cards to balance out said RNG
Hearthstone while not perfect cant really be compared to traditional card games
>>334825696
That's why I play landless dredge.
Get on my level
>>334830920
>taunt is too difficult a concept
>Ysera's end of turn cards aren't explained anywhere in game
>how battlecries / deathrattles / summoning etc. interacts is explained nowhere
>>334830718
>It's a CASUAL game that needs to played FULLTIME in order to be free.
If its a casual game, why do you need all the cards for it to be free?
Just play the decks you want if you're not being competative.
And if you do play competitive, you're already playing "fulltime."
>>334827069
For C'thun? Druid. It's been given 2 great C'thun class cards.
If you did your daily for ~40 AND won 30 fucking games for an additional 100 gold that's 140 gold a day
Let's just assume you have a 100% win rate (you won't) and that each game is 6 minutes, which is a very low estimate, that's 3 hours a day playing A DAY. For 140 gold
40 packs cost 4000 gold so that's about 29 days straight, playing for at least 3 hours a day, and remember thats only if you win every game.
Or you pay $50
Guess what everyone chooses
>>334830920
>implying molten is additive
>Reno is programmed as a +30 heal but the text maxes out at the amount you've healed
>Druid of the claw does not have it's health as a buff and is consistent in all scenarios where it is returned to the hand and ancient of war is the inconsistent card not the other way around
>implying that last one even makes sense considering your always refers to the person that owns the card and only stealing it via sylvanas or other means will let your healing become damage
At least complain about the actual inconsistencies instead of making shit up
for example
>discover is favoured towards class cards
>ysera cards are completely unknown within the client
>>334831402
There's months inbetween expansions. Since The Grand Tournament I've saved up 85,000 gold for this next which should easily allow me to build the decks I want to play.
>>334826654
>consistent 30k viewers on twitch
He's rich nigga
>>334830674
No, he doesn't play competitive because his ego is fragile as hell, and it's easier to blame bad luck for your losses in arena. Arena is also just as boring, you pick mage or rogue and attempt draft the exact same archetype every run.
Just started out fresh the other day, I have literally no fucking idea on what to do.
Someone wants to show me the ropes?
>people not aware that your time counts as money too
i have to applaud those who pay to not grind, they are smart
>>334823023
The excuse they gave for this is" basic cards are supposed to be shitty!"
>>334830718
>not botting
LMAO
>>334831402
Here's where it gets dumb compared to other card games. In MtG, if I go to a local and win 3 matches, I can usually draw into top 8 and go home with like 6 packs. Not sure what other physical card games do for layout, but I'm sure it's similar.
In HS, you can grind like crazy in ranked, and all you get is some extra dust, a new card back, a few cards you'll never use.
>>334823023
Don't worry, Heckler will be shoved out of Standard in 2 years or so
>>334831271
>C'Thun
>Druid
>Not Warrior
Control Warrior is basically going to be a C'Thun deck with the loss of stuff like Sludge, Shield Maiden, and Death's Bite
>Cause they got an even better ShieldMaiden
>>334823023
Fuck you - the game
It's all luck and that's it, it just pisses me off when some faggot spends minutes every turn to decide what to do as if it isn't obvious just by looking once, then you fuck them up to 5 points while you still have 30 and then they pull out a reno jackson and undo everything you've done, it's just bullshit and people who pay for it are retards.
>>334823660
>blizzard shills aren't even trying anymore
>>334835273
I honestly don't get it
Why the fuck are you people complaining about Reno decks?
The point of a reno deck is that they are going full highlander with their list and since you will see it coming rom far away you have 2 goals
1. Build a super sticky board and force him to Reno for minimal value as he will lose his life over again to minions
2. Kill him before turn 6 or hope he doesn't have Reno
If you could have 2 Reno's yeah it's stupid but honestly anyone that bitches about Reno is just bad at the game
>>334823395
>Only 59,99!
>59,99
>,
Eurotrash doesn't want to pay for something, alert the fucking press
>>334835463
>if you know proper terminology you're a shill
>knowing things is bad!
>>334824583
People around here often use pay2win for any game that has things you can spend money on that give you a gameplay advantage
Like, doto is not pay2win since only cosmetics are paid, LoL is called pay2win since heroes are behind paywalls and that means more options for the one who spends money, regardless of the free heroes also being good enough to win games with
There's flowcharts and all
>>334836492
LoL isn't pay2win though simply because of the fact that nothing that effects the gameplay is behind a paywall
When they release a character skin that makes an untargeted ability invisible or applies extra effects to abilities then it will be pay2win until that point though it's just pay2notgrind.
>>334830718
How many other card games can be played for free?
Hearthstone is quite literally the cheapest card game. Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic FORCE you to buy cards just to play, hearthstone gives you cards for free.
And I don't even play the game.
>>334836787
That's the point, pay2not grind is a subcategory of pay2win
If money earns you gameplay advantages it's pay2win
>>334835571
>reno
>card to return friendly minion to your hand
I played against a guy who used reno 3 times without anything I could do about it
>>334837258
The point is that it isn't a subcategory because you do not win more for paying money. a Character in lol isn't better just because they cost more and a card in hearthstone doesn't get magically better if you pay money for it instead of completing a quest and buying a pack.
>>334837129
MtG has (had?) a program whereby you could sign up to get 2 free starter decks in the mail.
>>334837767
But you have more characters, more cards, which means more options for building the better setup or deck, which means better chances of winning the game as compared to someone who has less options
>>334830701
he's not great, and you still have to gimp your deck to make him 100% reliable. i still roflstomped someone who reno'd at <10 life with face hunter.
>>334832269
go to hearthpwn.
look up a low cost face hunter
mulligan for 1 drops
If you don't win by turn 6 shrug it off and que again.
Repeat until you earn enough gold/dust to get the cards for a deck you actually want to play.
This is how you keep the monetary cost low when just starting out.
Normally I would say do Naxx adventures, as they give you lots of strong cards like phantom spider and sludge belcher. Kelthuzad, Fuegan and Stallaag, all gotten from Naxx, are pretty solid in a deathrattle deck.
But with formats coming out Naxx can't be used anymore so their goes a lot of easily acquired, usefull cards for new players.
>>334823660
>free game
>people complaining about having to pay for things
WAAHHHHHH
