Dark Souls 3 Cut Content
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So pretty much all of the stuff we saw in the leaked DaSIII screenshots and concept art got either scrapped, simplified or reworked. Making your own bonfires from corpses, those phantom swords, different bosses in the same boss area, expanded Kiln of the First Flame with enemies etc.
Looks like they just ran out of time again and some stuff simply didn't work so they repurposed the items to serve other means (Coiled Sword Fragment used for warping and a few mainstory instances etc.)
What do you think? From makes really great games in such a short time span but they never seem to reach their true potential because of it. Here's hoping they'll let the Souls formula rest this console generation and make a completely new one next generation with a longer development time and without any reused assets.
You want more?
That'll be $20
Lothric castle change was for the better, those creepy flying things look much more fucked up than drakes.
I'd expect to see others in DLC.
They had plenty of time to make Dark Souls 3.
Virtually every game the size of Dark Souls 3 has an abundance of cut or re-purposed content. In most cases it isn't relevant to time constraints.
>>334812454
It looked like there was going to be a night cycle kind of thing akin to Bloodborne but all we got was a change to the bleeding sun.
>>334812509
Yes, you always have to make compromises when creating video games. I'm just wondering if they simply didn't work or was it Bamcos fault for rushing them again.
How long was the development time on DaSIII again? I though I read something about DaSIII starting production even before DaSII was finished but I think that sounds like bullshit.
The majority of these changes seem like they simply didn't like or want to use what they had originally. The only thing I could see being cut from time restraints is the expanded Kiln of the First Flame, but even then we don't know their reasoning, they could have thought it was more fitting as a small, desolate area tofight the final boss.
>>334812684
You're retarded, the "night" is obviously the same shit that happens during the dark sign eclipse. Did you bother to explore the rest of the world at that point?
I am more bummed about the amount of armour sets removed.
>>334812684
You need set deadlines and an established scope, or else you end up with MGS5. Stuff like this is natural, and no areas in game really suffer, unlike in 1, where Bed of Chaos is a publicly admitted fuckup.
Literally every videogame in existence has content that is either cut, reworked or simplified for a variety of reasons.
Something that's seen in an early trailer might not necessarily make it into the final product for a variety of reasons.
This is not a new phenomenon and it's not something that's unique to Souls games.
>>334813267
In the screenshot with the flying drakes the sky is much darker than anything in the final game.
The idea to create a bonfire anywhere was stupid to begin with. The only change that honestly bothered me was the Kiln, the rest was changed for the better.
>>334812019
Man, I thought that bleeding sun was the coolest shit back during the days when the game was just announced.
Shame they replaced it with a bootleg copy of the Eclipse from Berserk
every single game has cut content
![dark_souls_3_high_lord_wolnir[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kZMIUkh.jpg "dark souls 3 high lord wolnir[1]")
>>334813273
https://imgur.com/a/olgvn
album of removed costumes
also for some reason they changed where nito was going to be fought
>>334812019
>that first picture
pretty cool, why would you cut that
>>334813393
>>334813717
I know that and I though I awknowledged it on my OP post but I guess I fucked up. Just wondering if some of the cuts were a product of a rushed development like with Dark Souls (everything after O&S) or Demon's Souls (Giant Archstone)
The other thing that bothers me about DaSIII is that the firelink NPC have so little dialogue, especially the firekeeper. I wonder if we'll find remnants of the audio files withing the game like with DaS and DeS.
>>334813273
what? That's why there's like 20 at best, and most of them look bad
>>334814130
Seems like originally the fight was supposed to be set in arena, there was no need to move because of death fog. A good change, IMO.
>>334814130
Most of that shit could end up being in the DLCs you know, especially the spells. Just because there's left over files doesn't mean they got cut.
>>334814130
>Those NPC faces
Some things are better left unseen
>>334813393
>Yahoo insider said Legion was done before Wod was even released
>Now blizzard is saying that it's not ready to exit alpha stage and MIGHT be released on december
Its dlc
Notice how the pictures seem to be post game, with the sun in heavy degradation and a serpent appearing (primordial most likely)
Also it'd make sense that you'd have to make bonfires yourself in the abyss
>>334814130
those are pretty shit to be honest
the knight armour sets look plain unfinished
How many DLC is there going to be? 2 expansions?
>>334814130
Dammit those tracers better be DLC I was hoping to find them all game and had to settle for the Dancers Swords
>>334814912
yeah 2
>>334814652
pls no more serpents
they are way too fucking creepy
>>334812019
I'm speculating that those phantom sword would have been left there by players in other worlds dying to that area boss. Shame they cut that, would have been a neat little online thing.
>>334814652
That serpent looks nothing like the primordial serpents.
>>334815721
>I'm speculating
It was in beta
So the specially changed it in final release
I persnally blame pc fags
>>334815842
>I persnally blame pc fags
DLC 1 will be called The Old Kingdom and it'll have you go to some parts of Drangleic and a partially ruined Drangleic castle, final boss is a much darker version of the Looking Glass Knight.
DLC 2 will be called The Legacy of the Dark and is a travel to the Abyss pretty much, with some familiar DaS1 and DaS2 locations that were swallowed by the Abyss, Artorias will be one of the bosses, the final boss of DLC 2 is either another reincarnation of Manus, or Nashandra herself.
>>334812019
Thanks, convinced me not to buy it.
>>334816393
>Drangleic
Only in Yui's wet dreams.
DS2 lore is irrelevant.
>>334815775
>what is a remodel
It is very clear that they wanted a darker vibe in das3
If the primordial serpents were to return, they'd be remodeled to their "true form" to be scarier
I can't understand you faggots who watched any of the gameplay prior to the release of the game.
I made a conscious effort to avoid any of it until I played the game through myself. I want a completely pure experience when I play a Souls game, I don't want to be spoiled toward anything.
>>334816927
There are primordial serpent statues in Lothric castle and they look just like they did in DaS1.
>>334817496
State of the world affects their appearance
Or
Kaathe showed up in his das form to not look frightening to lothric, and they made statues based on the form they knew
You can justify it a million ways
ITT welcome to game development.
Lots of shit gets cut because of time/money.
>>334817496
>>334817746
You could also say that their appearance would change based on the ending you got
If you linked the fire, they'd show up in their true form to give them the form of antagonists
But of course from wouldn't bother doing this, they're too lazy
>>334812019
Bottom one is original idea for Crucifixion Woods/Farron Keep.
Middle left is Lothric, they just removed drakes and changed lighting.
Two above the bottom ones are the Ludex Gundyr fight which look almost exactly the same, but in a different area.
These aren't particularly cut-content, but rather changes that were made during development.
Top two aren't in the game at all (besides the backdrop for Soul of Cinder), so you could argue these got cut.
>>334818105
>Ludex
Fucking Americans
They removed drakes from lothric but added flying hollow trees
>>334814130
Other than the Tracers, every one of them seems either unfinished or stupid as hell. Good job From.
Dark Pyromancy doesn't make much sense, since it was just an extension of Dark Sorcery in DaS1.
Though that pitchfork, I was grinding the farmers for hours trying to get it, why was it cut?
>>334812019
thats a concept pic, cut content can only be called if they made it to finish but then cancel it.
>>334814130
>also for some reason they changed where nito was going to be fought
It's the same room where you start the fight though, they probably realized it was too small and added an additional area for the fight.
>>334818357
Pitchfork is in, I have one
>>334818282
>implying I'm American
Ludex is in the European release as well.
I can't read moon, so I didn't know him as Champion, soz.
>>334818480
Its iudex you illiterate mongoloid
>tfw it's the 4chan is getting on the Dark Souls hatewagon as it's not popular meme
>>334818357
>>334818442
Different pitchfork.
Four pronged pitchfork is in the game, but the one in the album is only in the files.
>>334818545
Oh no, I mistook a capital I as an l, however will I live
>>334812019
Leaked screenshots and videos doesnt always mean that it was "cut". It could just mean that scrapped ideas where leaked by someone when it should have.
Theres a lot of planning during game development that just stays forever on paper.
Its the same as drawing several shitty arts in papers, throw them in the garbage bin, and someone leaks them for the public while you make the actual good drawing.
>>334818724
It shows you're an uncultured dumbass
Its one of the most popular Latin words
Did you not go to school?
>>334819027
this
also the game we did get is really good guys
>>334819027
Stop making sense anon. This is shitpost-land, where any concept art, scrapped idea or a leaked screenshot means cut content :')
>>334819228
It might be good, but it's clearly unfinished, it only has 19 bosses with some of them being complete shit, like Yhorm.
What are your hopes for the DLC?
Personally, I want to see the return of the serpents.I would make a thread about this but Australian's aren't allowed to post threads at the momentcan somebody please make the thread for me I'll give you a dollar
>>334812019
>>334812454
>>334812509
>>334812684
>>334812775
>>334813160
>>334813267
>>334813273
From and Bamco did this with Darksouls II.
Slice the game up and sell DLC and season passes.
Miyazaki was going to do the same thing with bloodborne, but decided against it as there were already so few mandatory bosses and we ended up getting ACTUAL post game content like we did with Artorias of the Abyss.
>>334812019
None of the screenshots has cut content you imbecile, they just removed bonfire creation(which would've been broken as fuck) and they simply changed some models and the lighting or switched boss room for another (Oceiros instead of Gundyr) , you seriously expected leaks to be faithful to the last build? did you forget how different bloodborne looked when it was project beast? you literal mongoloid, kill ourself.
>>334819328
You can defeat yhorm without the storm ruler retard, and it turns into a great fight
>>334812019
Why is this censorship OK?
>>334819417
Why do so many people want to see the serpents return? They were interesting in DaS1 because they weren't powerful, their power is lying and deceiving other pople, that way they could get what they want, if we get a primordial serpent as a boss it'll ruin their character forever.
>>334819120
>learning a dead language
lmfao
go back to boarding school, you fucking homo
>>334819120
>learning latin in school
>>334813427
yes and it would've been an extremely boring set piece, the sun eclipse is a much more interesting visual cue than a generic night-time
>>334819582
censorship? see>>334819516
we will get the content. You just have to pay 40$ extra for it.
>>334819295
Yeah, sometimes I forget where I am posting...
>>334819573
>You can defeat yhorm without the storm ruler retard
Yeah, in like 10 minutes, it's more like a chore than a battle.
>and it turns into a great fight
You're kidding, right? His moves are telegraphed as fuck, you can only get hit by any of them if you're a braindead retard.
>>334819632
Who said they hbe to return as a boss?
They're cool characters and besides they're the key to find out what's going on in das3 and the world
>>334819736
No, he has a weak point in his head that you can hit if you stagger him
>>334819671
>>334819675
>yes let's play dumbasses that will surely NOT attract actual idiots
>>334812019
>muh cut content
fuck off
>>334819671
>>334819675
>Americans
Jesus Christ
You learn some Latin words on history classes just by studying the roman civilization, you don't actually learn the language
Ever heard of mare clausum, made nostrum, vox populi, pax romana?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8NTVveHCO4
who's ready for some unused music
Two of those are still in the game though.
Gundyr is later on while the parasite Gundyr is in the tutorial.
>>334819675
latin is actually useful for english reading comprehension. Your pigamerican language has many latin roots.
>>334818724
Iudex is latin for judge, you ignorant fuck.
>>334819952
>implying
m8, you actually learnt a dead language.
If you weren't too busy getting buggered silly by your fellow prep boys and Mr. Chester the Physical Education Molester, you might've realised how useless that was.
Now fuck off back to dear mama.
>>334820026
to be fair it's not their fault I's look like l's in a lot of fonts.
>>334819417
underwater (no swimming though) area plus giant creature area
>>334820120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLFfAdPEsgw
2
>>334820026
>learing a few phrases is the same as learning a language
'no'
>>334819417
why are people ok with dlc
>>334820176
>latin is actually useful
Ayy lmao
>>334820339
>>334820120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IyI5TLRNvw
3
>>334820413
Because From are one of the few devs who do worthwhile DLC.
>>334820352
>reading comprehension
Try reading it again then come back to me
>>334820448
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_and_Latin_roots_in_English
how much autism does it take to deny it?
>>334813160
>Spoiler with actual spoiler
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT WHY
>>334812019
>games mechanica and visuals change from a year old version that the public wasnt supposed to see
WOOOOOW
>>334820519
>chopping up the base game
nah. only dark souls and bloodborne dlc were afterthoughts.
>>334819530
they also cut those lore graves, and they were in the network test
>>334820549
Oh yeah, a few adopted and bastardised words totally make a dead language relevant.
Might as well go learn fucking Sanskrit.
>>334814257
the kiln of the first flame is essentially what this picture has become in the final game
the distorted landscape as a mass of many buildings becoming one, the bleeding sun as the cursed mark in the sky
>>334820639
They only did that with DaSII.
That means 2/3 has good DLC, and the last game had the best DLC so far. It's a good track record desu.
>>334820873
you mean das 2 and 3? There's a reason miyazaki brought on Tanimura. Expect a HD rerelease packaged with all the dlc a la SotFS
>>334819417
>Australian's aren't allowed to post threads at the moment
based Hiro
>>334821228
>There's a reason miyazaki brought on Tanimura
Probably because he was busy making Bloodborne and The Old Hunters.
Anyone else felt the "link the fire" ending in ds 3 was deceptively good?
Initially it just felt like an overly simple anti-climatic ending but by the time it zoomed out and the credit music started playing, I felt a sense of gloom/melancholy as if the mc will just be forgotten like the previous protagonists.
Kind of like he just accepted his fate and waited to die and that gave the ending its charm.
Pic related, felt almost identical to Roy Batty's death and his final soliloquy
>>334821459
Not really. If you've seen one ending you've seen them all. Getting pretty boring at this point.
>>334821459
Yeah, especially since it's unclear if you succeeded or not.
>>334821459
Lol you got tricked
You can't link the fire, you're unkindled
>>334821770
What if I turned Hollow?
>>334821770
Explain
>>334812328
First post best post.
>>334812509
>They had plenty of time to make Dark Souls 3.
1.5 years is a laughable amount of time. Fuck that, let's be honest: They've been pumping out Souls games at a pace that makes Call of Duty jealous.
>>334814130
Oh boy.
>>334821660
BB had pretty good endings desu
>happy ending
>you are the new gehrman
>you're a squid now
>>334812019
So only the bleeding sun from the first screenshot made it in? Damn shame I thought it was going to be cool to see the world ending in such a chaotic way.
>>334821898
Dark Souls III has been in development since the Dark Souls was released.
It was developed alongside DaSII and BB.
>>334821867
See dark fire link
Lit fire link is illusion to get you to hunt the lords of cinder
The bell never actually tolled, that's why the lords of cinder are still in their homes
Someone manipulated you into killing them so the fire wouldnt be linked, knowing that you can't link it
People at the start tell you that you can't link the fire, you're worthless
>>334822104
>the lords of cinder are still in their homes
Was with you up until this
Aldrich is explicitly stated as not being in his home. He left the Cathedral for the Boreal Valley.
>>334822070
>Dark Souls III has been in development since the Dark Souls was released.
>It was developed alongside DaSII and BB.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. DS2 was developed by an entirely different team. You should look something up before pretending you know anything about it.
And what? Number 3 was developed alongside number 2? Are you retarded?
>>334822104
Nice theory, but needs more evidence.
What would the third firelink be then, if the hub one is an illusion?
>>334821970
Because BB was open for actually refreshing writing. Dark souls has nothing more then ''you need to kill all the big god dudes to link the fire for some reason''. And it's been like that in every single game.
>>334822301
His home is literally the Boreal Valley though...
>>334822305
>Number 3 was developed alongside number 2? Are you retarded?
considering all the reused assets it is kind of true ;)
>Cutting room floor = cut content
Fuck off /v/. You have never made a product and understand nothing about the creation process.
>>334822305
>You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
Amusing, because this actually applies to you. Look it up; DaSII, BB, and DaSIII began development at the same time.
>DS2 was developed by an entirely different team
Yes, and? Where did I say it wasn't?
I said it was developed alongside, not that it was made by the same team.
>And what? Number 3 was developed alongside number 2?
Yes. Why is this such a hard thing for you to grasp? Have you never heard of this happening before?
It's quite a common thing, and happens across multiple mediums; especially films and literature.
Jesus fucking Christ. Even if the game has 70 hour content, as soon as you fags find out there was content not included in the final release, immediately you fags go "bawww KIKES selling cut content for $40!!"
I'm glad none of you are actual game developers otherwise you'd be in development hell forever trying to get "everything in" with shitty project plans and over-scoped visions.
>>334820639
Are you a moron? Dark Souls 1 had plenty of cut/rushed content. Second half being most of it.
>>334822536
Yeah, as much as I love the Souls games, From is lazy as fuck. So many reused assets, lore elements, armors, weapons, NPCs, enemies...
It's just lazy. I like it on occasion because it transforms these games into a cohesive universe, but it's still just fucking lazy.
>>334814567
Except for Leonhart, but wasn't his face supposed to be damaged?
Also Sirris, Irina and Karla a cute.
>>334818357
Fuck you, that greataxe looked sexy as fuck compared to the ones we have in the game. Two of them right now aren't even axes but instead cleavers that should have been put in the UGS section instead.
>>334814652
I have a hard time believing it was originally intended to be DLC. That kind of stuff usually starts in the planning phase 6 months before release and only starts being built around 2 months before release. Those screens are from more than a year ago.
>>334822737
Most of that stuff looks like its in the game in one form or another. I'm just angry about the top left screenshot because I thought that area would be a major set piece in the game
Like the last quarter or something.
>>334820176
>>334820026
>american
I don't think so, Tim.
>>334814130
>prince lothric scythe and shield
>thise descriptions
I wonder if this boss was originally going to be somewhat similar to Garl Vinland and Maiden Astraea at some point.
>>334823094
>>334823416
Aren't the weapons also not in the game? Seems like prime DLC material.
>>334820549
how much autism does it take to give such a fuck?
>>334823715
the weapons don't look finished
>>334819417
Carthus desert area so we can get the desert sorc set again.
>>334820616
Works as advertised.
>>334812019
>still better than destiny
>>334819417
Some explaining on DaS2. I know most people think it as a spinoff right now, but even the ladderman was in DaS3 so they could open it up a bit.
>>334826397
Nothing is more extreme than Destiny cut content.
>>334819417
I want to know what the fuck is going on with the Darksign eclipse and those pilgrim butterflies.
>>334819417
>>334827640
Oh, and explain why there's a distinction between the Abyss and the "Deep (Sea)". They should be the same thing, and I hope it's not just lazy translation.
>>334812019
>So pretty much all of the stuff we saw in the leaked DaSIII screenshots and concept art got either scrapped, simplified or reworked.
Yup that's pretty much concept art for ya.
>Looks like they just ran out of time again and some stuff simply didn't work so they repurposed the items to serve other means
This always happened, for every game ever made. No game ever reach its true potential.
The concept art used in marketing is like 5% of the total amount of concept art produced for a game, and of course what they don't show you what could've been, that's why they often put the other cool concept arts in a $20 art book.
Pic related.
>>334812019
Environmental concept arts are used to represent the general atmosphere of an environment.
It's not supposed to look exactly like the concept.
>>334812019
bottom concept is in the game, it's Farron keep swamp.
>>334819417
I want one to be the carthus desert and the other to be about Londor.
>>334828254
>>334828441
Yes, although it feels a lot different than the one in the concept art. I'm happy how it turned out and it feels like its own thing rather than just being a copy of Valley Of Defilement, Blightown or the Chalice Dungeon swamp.
>>334819516
you realize that Artorias of the Abyss was just content that didn't make it in because of time constraints right? instead of releasing it in a patch at a later date they gave it to PC for free because they knew the vanilla port wasn't that great and then made console users pay for something that should have been in the game.
I like From for the games they make but fuck at the end of the day they are still a company trying to make money, regardless if Namco is the ones making them do it or not
>>334828965
>mfw I realized you were originally supposed to get the abysswalker ring from the DLC area
>>334829078
exactly, there's a couple items you find that seem a bit out of context and then you get to the DLC and realize how much better everything would have tied inthat moment with sif though
>>334829078
Abysswalker Ring was always going to be from Sif's fight.
You can find a list of the cut content online.
>>334829832
That's just the cut content that was left on the disc, and some other things From talked about at one point or another.
>>334829896
I think it's obvious that we were going to go back in time given Kalameet's model and young witch Beatrice, but there was just no record of Artorias ever actually being in the game. Most likely they were just going to be a Painted World/Lake of Ash equivalent. Although, I believe I once heard that Lake of Ash was supposed to be somewhere else originally and they just threw it in a tree because it was finished.
>>334830162
I could have swore Artorias was supposed to be because at one point in development I thought all four knights of Gwyn were all supposed to be in the game
>>334830418
The cut enemies are all sourced as being from New Londo or Lost Izalith. No knights.
>>334830705
The cut content we know about is just the stuff that actually made it somewhat for into the game before being removed for one reason or another, that doesn't mean there wasn't other stuff they planned but never got to put into the game.
It makes no sense that you can just stroll around in the Abyss in Oolacile, but need a ring to do it in New Londo. If you got the abysswalker ring before going down to Manus in what became the DLC, it would make a lot more sense.
>>334814130
>Greirat is Phil Colins
>Leonhart is Lex Luthor
i must've dreamed a thousand dreams
>>334830162
>>334830705
Artorias had concept art in the 'Unused materials' section of the Design Works artbook so he was most likely planned to be in the game from the beginning.
>NPC face.
How about her?
>>334814130
>Hammer of the Four Knights, writhing in the dark.
Were they really going to pull another 4kids?
>>334819417
Finally fighting a true full health dragon
>>334831665
you do that in DaS 2
>>334831372
I think her crown is baked into the model, there's no face under it. It looks slightly different to the one that's equippable in that imgur album.
>>334831314
>>334831314
Here is the actual concept art which was in the Design Works artbook.
>>334819516
>From and Bamco did this with Darksouls II.
Is there even any proof of that?
>>334831763
>>334831372
She has whiteish corneas.
>>334814130
>Yuria's bald
I'd still hit it.
>>334831756
The ancient dragon was a dragon corpse + a soul of a giant
>>334814130
This pisses me off the most.
I made my character look like the Maiden in Black under the assumption that I could get this.
I wonder how much of this will be in the DLC
>First image is from a cinematic trailer
>Bonfires aren't corpses anymore, big whoop
>Spindly butterflies instead of dickass drakes, what a scandal
>Don't know what middle right is
>Two enemies in the game but in different locations
>Concept art
Wow from, what a fucking disaster
>>334832139
I'm talking about Sinh
>>334812019
It's really obvious they ran out of time, two rocks in Archdragon's Peak are missing textures and everything, at least on Xbone.
>>334831372
>>334831763
>>334832043
Just checked, I was wrong. There is a face under it.
MFW it'll all be reused as DLC.
>>334832583
I reloaded the area a bunch of times and always got her standing next to the wall at the doorway leading to Andre, so I couldn't get a proper picture.
Could you take another one with Depth of Field turned off?
>Crossbow created from the soul of the Executioner's chariot
fuck.
Is that who I think it is? The DLC is going to be Drangleic isn't it..
>>334828140
>That pic
All those bosses we could have in Dragon's Dogma
>>334812019
Things change in development. It's content that didn't work. It won't be in the DLC.
>>334832456
He had a spear through his body, prob weakened him a fair bit
>>334832351
Corpse bonfires would have been fantastic.
Imagine getting towards the end of the game and realizing you had used them all up.
>>334832862
Hammer heavily implies one of the DLC will be abyss 2: electric boogaloo ft. 4kids all grown up
>>334832456
wasn't full health, sinh is fucking impaled and sick
>>334819417
The return of Gwynevere. More info on people like Yorshka, Aldrich, and Pontiff. A better ending, or at least an explanation for the current endings.
>>334833113
tbf an actual healthy dragon would just fly away and breathe fire on you
like Kalameet does
>>334833524
what if both? whole das2 theme was basically "muh abyss"
>>334833543
There is a lot of speculation that Rosario is Gwynevere.
>>334832701
I hope it will. Those sets looks amazing in the files, though going from past "unused content being in DLC" it's very unlikely, since none of them got included in the previous games.
>tfw no DeS dlc with the entire beast/giant archstone having numerous enemies/NPCs finished
>>334833961
They all look extremely unfinished
>>334833961
>DeS will never get the broken Archstone
Stop reminding me.
>>334833780
Like what, exactly?
>>334814130
>The coastline stretches far in northern Drangleic. Beyond this northern sea is an unexplored continent, said to be home of things inhuman.
Huh
>>334822104
>The bell never actually tolled, that's why the lords of cinder are still in their homes
We literally see them coming out of their graves in the intro.
We literally find that Aldrich is on the move and is not where we were expecting him to be.
>Someone manipulated you into killing them so the fire wouldnt be linked, knowing that you can't link it
It literally doesn't matter if the lords of cinder die, in this case they NEED to die so the fire can be linked.
There is literally a ritual cutscene where you burn their dead ashes.
You are literally a moron.
Seems like the coming of the age of dark had a lot more significance like that giant serpent.
Too bad it's cut
>tfw no Serpents boss
Would be fun fighting several of those goofy heads with mustaches
>>334834543
Rosaria's Soul can be Transposed to get Bountiful Sunlight which has a description saying that it is a miracle granted by Gwynevere.
There's a theory that she may have rebirthed herself or simply taken a new identity. She does hide her face.
>>334834930
Do you even want them back?
They had a charming design last gen, but picture them with the graphics and style of DaS3. They'd look stupid as fuck unless they are mangled in some way to fit the tone.
>>334834962
Gwynevere is the Queen of Lothric (confirmed by Divine Blessing), and Rosaria being the Queen of Lothric conflicts with information from the Obscuring Ring about her firstborn stealing her tongue and then leaving.
Ergo, Gwynevere is not Rosaria.
>>334835148
They'd be creepy as fuck, like that statue.
All 3 of the ancient dragon fights are crippled.
>>334835148
I want to see a corpse of Fraampt. Maybe make it a slope we can run down into the Abyss.
>>334835297
>(confirmed by Divine Blessing)
Except that the Hidden Blessing description confirms that the Queen is the Handmaid.
>>334835148
Are you dumb ? Literally the 4th ending of this game is directly caused by Kaathe.
>>334835409
This is the same guy saying this in every thread, isn't it?
Jesus christ.
>>334812019
>shields and secondary sword on the back
why was this even cut
>>334835409
Stupid post.gif
>>334812019
There're so many open areas and shit that have literally nothing in them. Almost like there was supposed to be boss fights or NPCs there
>>334835360
>>334835360
thanks
>>334835462
Hey, I'm not the one trying to argue against item descriptions.
>>334831883
His sonycuck ass
>>334835297
There is no reason to think that Gwynevere is the one referenced by Divine Blessing when everything else refers to her by name and as the princess of sunlight.
>>334835649
>the queen used to visit graves
>therefore the queen is conclusively this one npc vaguely nearby some graves despite the fact that that npc has a very distinct purpose, identity and reason for being in that location that is not related to the graves
>also im just going to ignore the fact that she isn't visiting the graves to pay her respects as hidden blessing describes, because that is where she sets up fucking SHOP
>>334819417
I want to hear more about those fucking things inside Gundyr and some hollows
>>334835961
Dark Souls 1 Divine Blessing
>The Goddess of Sunlight, Gwynevere, daughter of the great Lord of Sunlight Gwyn, is cherished by all as the symbol of bounty and fertility.
Dark Souls 3 Divine Blessing
>The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros, was initially revered as a goddess of fertility and bounty. After giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared.
Please.
Just please.
Use your brain.
>>334812019
>making a bonfire out of a corpse
>>334835961
Divine Blessings have pretty much the exact same description except they say Gwynevere in the other games.
>>334812019
DUDE LMAO DOWNGRADED HAHAAHHA
>>334836083
Well then I guess she got her tongue chopped off and took the guise of Rosaria unless you think Rosaria just magically has the very essence of Gwynevere's unique mirale.
>>334836046
Thought there'd be a lot more about that shit
>>334836397
She's not even the only character in the game who you can get one of Gwynevere's miracles from, dipshit.
Or is she both simultaneously?
>>334812328
>I am entitled to incomplete content developed at the expense of the developer / publisher
We're not exactly looking at MN9 tier scam techniques there, family.
>>334814130
>Wolnir was probably going to be a covenant leader that was later a boss like Papa Nito
>could have possibly had Gravelord covenant
>>334836083
Could be her daughter for all we know
>>334836083
the problem here is that gwynevere was married to flann and not oceiros
>>334836591
>A woman was married to a character literally at the dawn of time which means she can't be married to a new guy now
Alright.
>>334836549
Rosaria being Gwynevere's daughter? Yeah, that's totally plausible. No objections.
>>334836514
Are you talking about Soothing Sunlight? That one points to Dancer being one of her maidens.
>>334835969
>he fact that that npc has a very distinct purpose, identity and reason
Except the handmaid very distinctly does not have an identity.
>that is not related to the graves
What the fuck are you talking about? The Handmaid is ONLY there because of the graves. She's there to help those who get awakened by the bell.
>also im just going to ignore the fact that she isn't visiting the graves to pay her respects as hidden blessing describes, because that is where she sets up fucking SHOP
Except it not paying her respects. It says she wishes them good fortune. Which is exactly what the handmaid does, including helping you by selling you shit.
And really, what the fuck is your evidence? What, that she was an icon of fertility, something that could easily be inheritable? The Lothric line is all about being descendants of the Old Royalty.
>you know that part in DS1 where there's a bridge and a dragon that keeps spewing fire every 5 seconds?
>yeah
>okay, WHAT IF THERE'S NOW 2 DRAGONS THAT GUARD A SINGLE BRIDGE
>GET ME TEAM B ON THE PHONE RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>>334836746
there is nothing to suggest that gwynevere was divorced from flann
youre speculating
Yo im gonna ask it here
Can you put the souls of cinder (the things you get from the lords) on the thrones in dark firelink??????
>>334836990
>Dancer was a maiden of Gwynevere
>protects Lothric Castle
>Gwynevere involvement in Lothric Castle confirmed.
>>334837051
I admit that part wasn't that easy. But I just took some hits from the burning ground and rolled down at the sides. If you can withstand the onslaught down there, you are safe.
>>334837051
I see your DaS1 dragon bridge and raise you a DeS dragon that camped at Boletaria castle's gate.
>>334836746
Bountiful sunlight:
>Special miracle granted to the maidens
of Gwynevere
Rosaria can be a random shmuck, possibly Rhea.
>>334837051
>trying to get through that area before killing the dragons and watching my frame rate drop constantly
Legitimately one of the worst areas to play through every time.
>>334837092
I was curious about this as well. I regret not going back to try and place the twin princes there.
>>334837000
>Except the handmaid very distinctly does not have an identity.
Replace 'handmaid' with 'firekeeper' and take a moment to realize how stupid you are.
>It says she wishes them good fortune. Which is exactly what the handmaid does
Yeah, no. The handmaiden is a shady old shit who tells you outright 'I know you killed those vendor guys to get these ashes and i don't give a shit, you should know that i only care about souls by now, kekeke'
She is not a fucking kind-hearted queen who visits graves and wishes them good fortune. She is the FIRELINK VENDOR. That is her identity. That is also why there are MULTIPLE HANDMAIDS, because the one in Dark Firelink outright tells you that she is not the same one and does not recognize you. She even implies that her purpose has already passed because she's a previous Handmaid.
>And really, what the fuck is your evidence? What, that she was an icon of fertility, something that could easily be inheritable
She wasn't an icon of fertility. She was 'revered as a GODDESS of fertility and bounty'.
Not to mention the Handmaid isn't visiting. She fucking LIVES THERE. SHE NEVER LEAVES NIGGA.
Also the Queen is mentioned as having completely left at some point, never to be seen again. The graves are in Lothric. She is a known visitor of them. Being at the graves is not 'disappearing'.
>>334836990
So you look at one miracle and say 'that means she's gwynevere', and then you look at another identical miracle and say 'that means she's one of gwynevere's handmaidens'.
What is it with you people and handmaids/handmaidens? They turn you retarded or something.
>>334837092
You can't, I tried.
Seems like all the secrets have been found.
>>334837051
How easy it is to spot someone who didn't play DeS
>>334837087
>there is nothing to suggest that gwyn's firstborn liked dragons, you're speculating.
Stop.
If the lore is very blatantly suggesting that Gwynevere is now married to someone else, that in itself suggests that she divorced Flann.
Or maybe he, you know, died. Like 99% of the old gods.
>>334837051
Seriously what were they thinking?
Why do they always have to ruin Souls games with fucking bullshit?
Imagine being a speed runner and you die to that cheap ass shit.
>>334837520
One miracle says it was granted to the handmaidens specifically. English isn't hard.
>>334837782
It's easy to avoid
>>334837782
you dont speedrun blind.
>>334837673
>oh no I didn't have a PS3 I should just kill myself ;-;
I don't care mate.
>>334837852
>>334837860
>heh it's not so hard you guys am I hardcore yet? xD
Always that one fucking guy.
>>334837781
>implying they aren't the same person
>>334812019
>it's okay when From does it
When Metal Gear Solid cut one mission, people went nuts, and here they are embracing the cut content kek.
>>334812019
Why is it only bad when Dark Souls does it? You know there's a whole site dedicated to this, right?
>>334812328
This is the answer.
They announced a season pass months before launch, what did you expect?
>>334837814
the handmaidens of gwynevere specifically?
or the handmaidens of the bonfire
i dont think they were one in the same
>>334820252
epic
simply epic
you won at life breh
you cereal won breh
>>334837939
I think his point was that it was homage to DeS.
>>334814130
>dat heavy knight set
>unmelted Soul of Cinder armor
goddamn From
>>334838146
It specifies Gwynevere's handmaidens.
>>334838095
I don't think you can compare scrapping ideas that probably didn't worked to essentially cutting a significant part of the story.
>>334838053
Flann and Oceiros?
Seems kind of unlikely. Flann was a god of fire, Oceiros is a mutated Seath worshipper. If you're a god of fire then you probably aren't insecure enough to get dragon plastic surgery.
>>334837814
>Special miracle granted to the maidens of the Princess of Sunlight.
>Special Miracle granted by the Princess of Sunlight.
Both miracles are described as 'granted' by Gwynevere. Granting something implies a recipient. We already have one indication of who would be the recipient in this case. The fact that the sentence is worded slightly differently does not change the implied meaning.
Try again.
>>334837520
>Replace 'handmaid' with 'firekeeper' and take a moment to realize how stupid you are.
What? They both don't have an identity? So what?
You could argue that the Firekeeper is just a creation Ludleth, since she only appears in Firelink, but the Handmaid is absolutely a real person, since she's in Untended Graves.
>Yeah, no. The handmaiden is a shady old shit who tells you outright 'I know you killed those vendor guys to get these ashes and i don't give a shit, you should know that i only care about souls by now, kekeke'
Well yeah, this is Dark Souls.
>She wasn't an icon of fertility. She was 'revered as a GODDESS of fertility and bounty'.
Yes, because Lothric reveres the royalty as the descendants of the Old Gods.
>Not to mention the Handmaid isn't visiting. She fucking LIVES THERE. SHE NEVER LEAVES NIGGA.
Try reading the description again. It never mentions the word Visiting.
>Also the Queen is mentioned as having completely left at some point, never to be seen again. The graves are in Lothric. She is a known visitor of them. Being at the graves is not 'disappearing'.
Going to a place no one else ever goes is called disappearing, champ.
>>334838337
then the handmaiden in firelink shrine is not one of gwyneveres handmaidens
>>334821867
>The Unkindled will rise, accursed undead UNFIT TO EVEN BE CINDER
>and so it is, that ash seeketh embers
if you link the fire you don't burst into a flame explosion, you barely catch a bit of fire and then sit down slowly burning like a little flamable coal, with no kick to it, as the eclipse keeps going without giving a shit about you, you are just burning the lord souls within you, they will die out quickly just as they were before, you got tricked by Ludleth that got too attached to the firelink waifu.
>>334837541
aw shit, thanks man
>>334814130
Remember when people found the Bone Fist moveset before DLC was even announced? They are going to fit those in eventually.
I swear on the powers of almighty fuck if this one doesnt get patched in at some point I'll do something crazy
>>334837051
You're a tard man.
Literally just drop down to the side of the bridge then follow the path until you get inside of the building where the dragon on the left is camping. From there just fucking run to the other side where you can attack the dragons leg/hand.
>>334812019
>Different Kiln
>Mechanic that might had been unfixably broken, as you might had placed a bonfire right in the middle of an enemy horde, or right before another bonfire, and the unspoiled player is not as good at defining checkpoints as the developer is
>Locations in leaks were redesigned and/or retextured
the only real disappointments I feel are the Farron Keep Swamp not being that colorful and the Kiln not being that chaotic.
This one too, I'll fucking do it From.
>>334834685
>We literally see them coming out of their graves in the intro.
you literally see it in the fake firelink with the ashen sky
>We literally find that Aldrich is on the move and is not where we were expecting him to be.
the BOREAL VALLEY is actually his home, Anri confirms it
>in this case they NEED to die so the fire can be linked.
that's what LUDLETH says to you, what the firekeeper parrots too since she knows no better since SOMEONE stole her eyes
>There is literally a ritual cutscene where you burn their dead ashes.
No, there's a ritual where LUDLETH becomes cinders while the remains of the others emenate their soul that is called by the firekeeper
>You are literally a moron.
No you, faggot, guess why only LUDLETH is so willing, guess why only HE stays there and helps you thorougly during your journey, guess why HE says to not give the firekeeper her eyes back, of course, being an american faggot you just do what you are told without asking questions do you? enjoy the bad ending fag.
>>334814130
>dat missionary axe
gib
>>334834685
>We literally see them coming out of their graves in the intro.
yes? and they headed for their homes
>We literally find that Aldrich is on the move and is not where we were expecting him to be.
Yes, because Pontiff, the HIGHEST RANKING PRIEST of his Cathedral called him to the Boreal Valley to eat Gwyndocuck.
>There is literally a ritual cutscene where you burn their dead ashes.
the ritual cutscene is to open the path to the Kiln of the First Flame, fucking moron. Same thing happens in Dark Souls 1.
To kill the fire, you have to access the Kiln. By Killing the lords of Cinder, you access the Kiln AND prevent them from linking the fire.
>>334838509
>You could argue that the Firekeeper is just a creation Ludleth, since she only appears in Firelink, but the Handmaid is absolutely a real person, since she's in Untended Graves.
There is a Firekeeper in Light Firelink. There is a Handmaid in Light Firelink.
There is a Firekeeper in Dark Firelink (albeit a dead one). There is a Handmaid in Dark Firelink.
Dark Firelink Handmaid confirms that she is not Light Firelink Handmaid.
There are corpses of countless previous Firekeepers hidden away in a tower in Light Firelink.
Are you beginning to see the pattern here?
>Yes, because Lothric reveres the royalty as the descendants of the Old Gods.
Except nothing refers to Lothric or Lorian as a god.
>Going to a place no one else ever goes is called disappearing, champ.
>The queen quietly disappeared
>To that one place she is known to go often
Do you really think people would worship a shrivelled old hag as a fucking goddess of fertility and bounty?
>but she used to be young
oh yeah right except neither lorian nor lothric have aged at all
oh also the handmaid in dark firelink looks identical to Emma, the High Priestess of Lothric
But Queens are always indistinguishable from the High Priestess, that's just typical of Queens.
>Well yeah, this is Dark Souls.
>character who is heavily suggested to be a kindhearted and sensitive individual
>pointing out that the handmaid is a callous bitch is somehow not a valid argument because 'its dark souls'
Nah.
>>334835148
Are you fucking serious? They could either look absolutely terrifying or could be goofy as shit. They can do a lot more with the graphics nowadays.
>>334836990
Rosaria was one of Gwynevere's maidens you fucking retard.
>>334838641
>The Unkindled will rise, accursed undead UNFIT TO EVEN BE CINDER
linking the fire is not being cinder
Cinder is what is required to let somebody ELSE link the fire. You BECOME cinder after doing it.
It really doesn't matter who actually links the fire, the impotant part is the five lords of cinder. You combine the five of their ashes, sprinkle them on *anyone* and now they can link the fire. That's WHY you had to go kill them in the first place.
>if you link the fire you don't burst into a flame explosion, you barely catch a bit of fire and then sit down slowly burning like a little flamable coal, with no kick to it,
How can you be this fucking deaf to the subtext?
It is hinted over and over that the age of fire cycle is a candle that is rapidly running out of wax to burn. Everytime you link the fire, it's less magnificent than the last time. Everytime you do it, it doesn't last quite as long. The world is on its last legs now, forced to use FIVE people as fuel instead of just one.
That little tiny ember is what makes the link the fire ending poetic. It shows that things are a pale shadow of what they once were, and no amount of sacrificing will restore it to its former glory. Eventually someone will link the fire and there won't be any ember at all.
Does anyone else think that embers seem to be a combination of humanity and flame?
Are the dark soul and first flame becoming one after undead keep linking the flame? The soul of cinder is still gwyn's soul at its core based on the description.
>>334817496
Where abouts in castle?
>>334839525
How can someone be this retarded?
Literally as soon as you get to Firelink you're told you can't link the fire, you're a fucking worthless piece of shit.
Explain the fucking dark-firelink then.
stop arguing about the "lore"
it's retarded, who cares.
>>334839658
It's in Lothric Castle, near Grand Archives.
>>334838950
>After Aldrich left for the Boreal valley, Archdeacon Royce remained in the cathedral with the high priests, to keep eternal watch over their master's coffin.
Not really too pushed on any of this but Aldrich was dead or whatever the fuck the Lords are until the bell tolls.
>>334839074
>yes? and they headed for their homes
>The bell never actually tolled, that's why the lords of cinder are still in their homes
>'the bell never actually tolled'
>'it doesn't count that they definitively rose from their graves as a result of the bell tolling because THEY WERE GOING HOME
What the fuck are you even trying to say at this point?
>>334838950
I'm going to make this extremely simple for you.
You claim that the Unkindled is manipulated into letting the first flame die.
There are precisely two people who could be behind this manipulation. Ludleth and the Firekeeper.
Ludleth literally sacrifices his life to give you a shot at linking the first flame. If his objective was to make sure the flame dies then he wouldn't help you open a fucking path to it by relinquishing his life.
That leaves the Firekeeper. You PROPOSE the idea of letting the fire die to her, and she is shocked, but ultimately decides to let you make the decision whether to link it or let it fade. So again, she is under the impression that linking the fire actually links the fire.
Nobody else is left.
You don't propose an 'alternate choice' to someone if what they are ALREADY ON TRACK TO DO would accomplish your goals. You would just sit down and shut up and wait for them to try to link the fire, which somehow actually doesn't link the fire.
>>334839160
>Dark Firelink Handmaid confirms that she is not Light Firelink Handmaid.
Well yeah, everything in Firelink is a copy of Untended Graves. So the Handmaid in Untended Graves is the Queen, the one in Firelink is a copy. That there's a copy of the Firekeeper as well is irrelevant.
>oh also the handmaid in dark firelink looks identical to Emma, the High Priestess of Lothric
No, she looks similar, but they have different Voice actresses.
>pointing out that the handmaid is a callous bitch is somehow not a valid argument because 'its dark souls'
>Nah.
Nice rebuttal. Yeah, it's definitely not a totally Dark Souls. Dark Souls would never make a kind-hearted person make caustic remarks, or turn on you, or be just an illusion. That could never happen.
>>334839417
We have no reason to think that at all. Only the Dancer's miracle mentions handmaidens.
>>334839726
By the Crestfallen.
Who tells you in every game, INCLUDING FUCKING *DEMON'S SOULS*, that you cannot accomplish your objective.
AND THEN YOU ACCOMPLISH YOUR OBJECTIVE.
That is his entire fucking shtick. Google the word 'crestfallen', you babbling retard.
>>334840128
>If his objective was to make sure the flame dies then he wouldn't help you open a fucking path to it by relinquishing his life.
If he knows that the Unkindled can't burn and that you need his soul to kill the first flame, then he most definitely would.
>>334839160
>do you think someone would worship an old hag as a fertility goddess
Welcome to old european pagans.
But they generally believed that a goddess could be three incarnations of people manifested from one soul.
>>334840212
????
Hawkwood isn't called "Crestfallen", fucking mongoloid.
He's Hawkwood the Exiled. At no point is he ever referred to as "Crestfallen".
If anyone's the Crestfallen it's Eygon
>If I were you, I'd just give up. You'll face death, time after time, and it won't be pretty...
Fucking retard.
>>334840212
True, but the description of Embers tells you as well.
>Leonhardt takes Rosaria's soul to Gwyneveres chamber
What did he mean by this?
>>334840453
>Hawkwood isn't called "Crestfallen", fucking mongoloid.
Andre specifically calls him "That crestfallen arse."
>>334812019
>they ran out of time
My sweet sweet child
>>334840453
Alright, you're trolling me.
You would have to be absolutely braindead to unironically argue that Hawkwood isn't the Crestfallen of this game.
>despirited knight crouching down on the stairs of the nexus area who tells you that your goal is impossible, expresses surprise over the course of the game as you get progressively closer to accomplishing your goal, before you are finally forced to fight him towards the end of the game
>also he drops the exact amount of souls that every crestfallen drops
>but that's not him you guys
I'm done taking you seriously.
>No Unkindled can ever truly claim the embers that burn within a champion's bosom, which is precisely what makes their yearning for warmth so keen.
>all these people calling each other retarded over vague item descriptions that they may have never even encountered let alone remember
Maximum autism.
>>334840739
>You would have to be absolutely braindead to unironically argue that Hawkwood isn't the Crestfallen of this game.
that's not what you said though, you babbling retard.
LET ME GET CIARAN'S ARMOUR DAMMIT
>>334840745
If *that* is your evidence for 'the unkindled doesn't actually link the fire in the link the fire ending', then I suggest prompt suicide.
>>334840768
now that you mention it it's actually pretty funny
>>334840845
>"you are told X by the Crestfallen"
>"HE ISN'T THE CRESTFALLEN"
>"here is why he's obviously the Crestfallen"
>"THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID THOUGH"
This is embarassing.
>>334814130
>Anri is bald and hollowed
So how do people that think the Unkindled can link the fire justify the Dark-Firelink and the illusion of the lit one?
>>334841060
I remember one of the npcs saying she was hollowed, don't remember which one
>>334841043
>deceivingly paraphrasing it on purpose
okay retard
>>334841135
Disregarding the obvious samefagging
Dark Firelink has less than nothing to do with this.
>Unkindled is capable of linking the fire
Does not translate to
>Unkindled successfully link the fire every time all the time without exception
Is it specifically mentioned that the Dark Firelink bell never tolled, and no Unkindled ever came to face Gundyr.
>>334812454
It really wasn't
Foggy castle > Shitty darksign sun castle
>>334836525
>source: my ass
>>334822458
and BB is literally just H.P lovecraft copied badly
>>334841239
Are you seriously trying to argue that you're right because I said 'The Crestfallen' and not 'The Crestfallen of this game'?
'Crestfallen' is not a name. You understand that, right? Crestfallen is a title. In fact, it's a fucking descriptive word. Saying 'X is the Crestfallen' is SYNONYMOUS with saying 'X is the Crestfallen' of this game.
There is no such thing as a Crestfallen outside of 'the Crestfallen character of this game'.
>>334837092
>>334837452
no, I saved them until I got there and there was no prompt
>>334812019
mgs5 all over again
>>334841431
hello "bet you've never read a lovecraft book in your life" shitposter
>>334812019
No shit, DaS2 came out what, 2 years ago? That's about enough time to shit out a cowadooty tier clone
>>334841916
Nobody actually reads H.P Snorecraft.
>>334841060
Anri was journeying to become Lord of Hollows you fucking dolt.
Of course they are HollowedAlso they are DaS2 protag
>>334842246
>Also they are DaS2 protag
rrrrrrrrrrrrretarded
>>334837939
Lmao dark souls 3 is a remake of des moreso than dark desu
>>334842296
Makes perfect sense, brodog.
>>334842417
Dark Souls 2 protag's one defining fucking quality is that they are completely immune to hollowing now.
Also Anri is from fucking ASTORA.
>he bought Japanese Assassin's Creed
>>334822104
>the real firelink is an illusion
stop this fucking shit it is most definitely NOT AN ILLUSION
Dark firelink takes you back in time.
Just because areas don't loop back to firelink doesn't mean it's an illusion. People come and go to firelink all the time.
For christs sake you rise from a grave outside of firelink, you were buried there and you go to firelink.
Gundyr's item descriptions tell us it was time travel. It says he was long ago bested by an unknown warrior and thus became the guardian sentinel with the coiled sword thrust into his chest.
The player bested him at his strongest (champion gundyr) and again at his weakest (Iudex)
Iudex means judge by the way, meaning Gundyr's role was turned from the man who was going to be the next lord of cinder to the guy who serves as a test for unkindled.
Ludleth never states this firelink is an illusion, he just says "So you saw the past" and alludes that he linked the fire around that time.
>>334842791
I didn't buy Neptunia.
>>334842851
Explain how I went back in time, Vaati.
Honestly the only part that looks cut is the first image and the create your own bonfire thing.
the place where the 2-4th images take place is lothric castle, though early prototypes. You can see that the dragons arent in their wicker form, the sky seems normal, and we have irythil wardens there instead of the knights.
Where you fight iudex gundyr is different, though that could just be the original area for champion gundyr. The last one is concept art of the farron poison swamp
>>334842939
We've known that time is distorted since DaS1 senpai
>>334843154
>It just happened with zero indication, and only once ever in this one specific instance
Okay bud.
>Dark Souls 3 Season Pass
>Description says it doesnt give access to future dlc, only discounts on it.
Lol, what
>>334819516
>Miyazaki was going to do the same thing with bloodborne, but decided against it as there were already so few mandatory bosses and we ended up getting ACTUAL post game content like we did with Artorias of the Abyss.
You do know that Arotrias and Hunters were planned from the getgo right? In fact, Bloodborne DLC was announced even sooner than Dark Souls 2 DLC was by comparison.
>>334839557
It's what they are. Bonfires are fueled by humanity.
>>334843260
hey man im just saying that it's been set in stone that time is fucked.
as to why it only really applied in one instance, i got no idea
>>334843276
>Expand your DARK SOULS™ III experience with the Season Pass and gain access to 2 epic DLC packs at a discounted price.
The discounted price being the price you paid for the pass.
>>334812019
>and without any reused assets.
Honestly, who gives a shit? This is seriously the dumbest fucking complaint I've ever seen, it literally doesn't matter unless they're actually reusing bosses or enemies. Why the fuck would I care if the grass looks the same as BB?
>>334842851
>>334842851
the other firelink shrine is in the abyss not time travel you cuck. the first firelink is a half fake place as the real gundyr is in the abyss.
when ludleth says so you saw that past it does not means you traveled to the past retarded it means to went to a location of His PAST aka the real firelink before they had to make a fake one for your weak ass soul
>ACTUALLY believing dark firelink is anything more than a symptom of rushed dev cycle
hey the game's due out in a month and we haven't done the second half yet
>dude reuse all the enemies from the 1st level
>ok but we're still a bit short
>reuse the tutorial level and hub
>and the boss?
>you know what to do
BRAVO A-TEAM
>>334836525
What is the boner for the Gravelord covenant lately, did you fucks seriously enjoy standing in one spot for hours on end, not even able to see the effects of your sign but standing there giggling going "OH GOLLY I BET I'M RUININ' SOMEONE'S DAY AHOHOHOHO". It was a dogshit covenant that didn't even work until NG+, I'm starting to think the nerds claiming they want it back are blind nostalgiafags.
>>334843758
>you go into Oceiro's room, there's light and shit
>go behind his room, break an invisible wall
>lol you're in the abyss now dude!!!!
>>334842246
>Also they are DaS2 protag
The theories I see on /v/ get more and more retarded every day. Tell me why you think this, I'd love to hear it.
>yfw the giant worm in smoldering lake is Solaire's Sunklight Maggot
>yfw Solaire going mad is canon
>>334843928
>dark souls 1
>go down an elevator
>lol you're in the abyss now dude!!
i fail to see the issue here
>>334844003
CHAMPION GUNDYR IS LITERALLY THE DEMON'S SOULS PROTAG WEARING OLD KING DORANS SET, YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST! SPREAD THIS HOT THEORY WHILE ITS HOT!inb4 Vaati copypastes this into his next video
>>334812019
Miyazaki can't get his hard-on unless he knows his Faggot Souls is at least 90% recycled content.
>>334844247
>Ancient armor of a set of cast iron armor, belonging to Champion Gundyr. Modeled after a former king.
THE LORE DEEPENS
>>334812019
>its alright when miyazaki does it the post
>>334812684
miyazaki is a hack, thats why theres so much cut content
>>334843928
you do not pay attention do you my friend
>ds1 elevator takes you to abyss
>ds1 go into destroyed city and fall into abyss to fight bosses
>ds3 go into old firelink shrine and see darkness everywhere no light and inside shrine you get eyes of last person the tell your of dark shit
>(you)
>>334812019
WHAT IS WITH THESE PEOPLE AND CUT CONTENT!? Keep in the fucking game for once.
>InB4 "b-but the studio execs"
How fucking gullible do you have to be to believe that for 5 games in a row, some shady corporate vampires have purposely been cutting shit out or advancing their schedule? 5 in a row.
>>334844414
underrated post
>>334844569
Literally every game ever has had cut content, you drooling retard. Some things don't get in. That's just how it is.
>>334835360
DthaOnksC
>>334812684
Yeah Bamco, sure. Let's shift all the blame to Bamco.
>>334832351
First image is very obviously an ingame image, it even has that same weird lighting thing that's all over BB.
Why is everyone on this website so incapable of knowing what game engines look like?
>>334837181
Except Dancer was sent to the castle by Pontiff because he hated her.
>>334845292
FromSoft is definitely lazy as fuck when it comes to games. Their devs keep recycling crap for money until someone offers a big enough sum of money, THEN they'll actually make creative and enjoyable games.
>Dark Souls has no story
>autistic fans make it up for them
>Dark Souls has cut content
>autistic fans make up excuses for them
Jesus fuck... Having less content is never a design choice you retarded shills. They simply ran out of time or budget
>>334845735
You're overestimating the budget they get
>>334843928
I'm not even sure if the untended graves are the abyss or not, but the abyss is weird, like really weird. The Abyss in New Londo exists above the archtrees, you go ahead and tell me how that makes sense.
>>334837781
Her being married doesn't suggest anything about a divorce either you fucking mong. It's more likely the Queen is a direct descendant to Gwynewere and Flann because we know you can inherit these powers. Case in point Nameless King.
Take you shitty cuck fetish out of here.
>>334845962
How do games with a huge budgets like Ocarina of Time get cut content, tho?
>>334846029
There are plenty of game designers with similar budgets that don't rehash the same content for a decade and make completely fresh content.
>>334846338
Such as?
>>334838796
Oh man, I'd love to have that mask
>>334844227
>>334844484
>>334846034
What
New Londo isn't in the Abyss, it's consumed BY the abyss.
4 kids are in the abyss, so is manus.
>>334846338
Castlevania, Megaman and several other games used "rehashed content" and I've yet to find a single person that gave a fuck. Why is it literally only wrong when Dark Souls does it?
This is why people pirate
>>334812019
they are cut into the dlc you will see
they finish the game 100% then cut part of these games and release them later for more money.
and YOU BUY IT
>>334846615
The Abyss were you fight 4kiddies is above the trees. The chasm in Oolacile is even higher. One can only draw the conclusion that the Abyss isn't conventional "place".
>>334846615
did i ever say it was in the abyss>>334844484
i said you fall down some stars and end up in the abyss to fight them
>>334843901
Probably, I want the justice system back though. Always sweet to expect a bluefag to 1v1 me. Also non-shitty convenants, looking at you wolf and aldrich.
>>334846715
Maybe because From recycles nearly all the elements, where other games only do some recycling, and maybe because From has been doing it for nearly a decade?
>>334846715
CoD, Asscreed, and every other yearly release does it and /v/ fucking hates it.
Why is it LITERALLY okay when Dark Souls 3 reuses levels, bosses, and 80% of their equipment?
>>334846790
>Pirates that try to justify themselves
lmao your mommy didn't lend you her credit card and you have to give yourself a pat in the back because you did a naughty thing?
People pirate because they can, nothing else.
>>334819417
Chose Undead : Dark Lord Boss
Lord Of The Abyss
>>334847628
Delusional fanboys.
CoD and Asscreed were actually original and added a lot more to the series in the beginning, then mellowed out later. Dark Souls 1 and up literally were just the previous game repainted and randomised to look new
>>334847524
>>334847628
It isn't okay when Dark Souls does it, judging by all the threads rambling about the same shit. Most people don't give a shit, only the spergs in /v/ flare up at the smallest slight a new game does.
Bloodborne didn't reused anything significant and they sure found a way to hate that game.
>>334848145
You should see places other than 4chan where people love to gobble up recycled content.
>>334848380
Does it make you feel better because they are enjoying it and you're not?
>>334845653
What supports this?
>>334848659
I don't care who does and doesn't enjoy it, I don't want people to lie how fucking this pathetic excuse of a series is so ScumSoft can finally die.
>>334847628
My problem with CoD and Asscreed is that they reuse almost every asset yet never do anything exciting with it.
Call of Duty getting bastardized campaigns these days really hurts.
>>334841239
You're the retard here, did you even read what you posted are are you just baiting at this point. Just leave.
>>334849197
That's bullshit.
The first 4 CoD games were great and not the same from each other, and Asscreed 1 and 2 had a lot of nice quirks to separate them.
None of that looks cut.
>>334848807
items say she was some hated whore and banished.
>>334840739
I just wanted to say thank you. By your arguing with that idiot I got some insight into the lore, thanks.
>>334849617
Isn't the one you wrote archdragon peak over just the entrance to Cathedral of the Deep?
>>334849579
People enjoyed the first.
>>334849712
Yhorm has a regular face with red eyes, you can see it in his opening cinematic with Siegward. Fuck that picture.
>>334849712
Was prince Lorian a result of adultery?
>>334849617
You're missing the things in the pictures.
Which is the day/night cycles (which were unnecessary) and the corpse being turned into a bonfire by inserting a coiled sword.
>>334822104
so, the little guy on the throne is pigmy?
>>334843928
The Abyss is just anywhere that isn't touched by light. You can make a box and the abyss is suddenly inside it. That's how mimics are born.
>>334837051
A dragon spewing fire everywhere and blocking your destination is a staple of the series.
If you played Demon's Souls, you would know that this is the usual. And the one in Demon's Souls is a thousand times worse.
>>334851068
He's probably analogous to It.
>>334822658
Is that why DS3 seems to to reference DS1 lore but not really any DS2? Or maybe I've just forgotten DS2 so much that I wouldn't catch a reference if it existed.
REMINDER THAT THE TWIN PRINCES ARE DRAGON HYBRIDS DUE TO OCEIROS.
Also, who the fuck was Wolnir and why did he feel so out of place?
Who the fuck was this asshole?
>>334852778
There are tons of references, bit it's either equipment from DaS2 or really subtle stuff.
>>334812454
you know that they eventually become wyverns that we encounter throughout the castle
>>334852489
I died so many times on that fucking staircase. When I saw tge dragons this time, I took one sprint attempt and then just shot them to death with my bow
>>334852917
Lothric seems to be, due to the long fingers.
>>334853483
That would explain why he's crippled, he's probably some kind of failed offspring
>>334816807
You know he's the director of this game, right?
>>334812019
I've bought 3 season passes this year.
I've given up the battle.
>>334819632
Because i'm fucking tired of THE FIRE FADES OOOHHH GET THE 4 LORD SOULS OOHHH LINK THE FIRE OOOOHHHH I'M SURE IT WILL MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE OOOHHH
>>334843758
you're fucking retarded pushing your retarded illusion theory.
You're putting words into Ludleth's mouth, I just now went through the area again on a new character and spoke to Ludleth. He just says that we spoke to her, her being the handmaid, and found the eyes. He tells us this was the reason he willed himself lord by linking the fire. We are visiting the past.
>>334842939
time is convoluted yadda yadda bullshit excuse
I don't know, we go through time and space a lot in dark souls
>>334819417The heretical angel worshippers follow the serpents.
>>334840868
Is the dancer abyss ciarin? If not why are they so similar? I mean she is literally ciarin, but all stretched out like abyss artorias.
>>334842851
>stop this fucking shit it is most definitely NOT AN ILLUSION
The blacksmith & old woman respawn & drop NO SOULS upon death. You remember the last time you killed an enemy & they dropped zero souls?
>>334855428
I miss them tits so much, it's probably for the best though, can you imagine if Aldrich had started eating that?
>>334855412
>Is the dancer abyss ciarin? If not why are they so similar? I mean she is literally ciarin, but all stretched out like abyss artorias.
No, she is literally not her, in any way shape or form.
Any visual similarities are references are coincidence. I wish people would read item descriptions and fuck off with their retarded theories.
>>334855428
that's probably fromsoft changing shit because people would "accidentally" kill needed NPCs and be unable to progress because they couldn't upgrade weapons and shit
>>334854427
I don't want to Link the Fire.
I don't want to be a Dark Lord.
I juist want a happy ending, someone tell me the sun is going to shit again someday.
>>334854912
are you fucking stupid!
you just played it again and still don't get it?
that was another firelink that was in the abyss. the place your at is a fake ass place cause every time you kill the blacksmith or the other fuckers that live there and go back they respawn. they are fakes who are created to help you link the flame.
>They turn to ash and don't drop anything yet the other handmaiden in the abyss is perma kill
play the fucking game and stop trying to give lore cause you suck at it. i would also like to tell you that
>>334812019
why is anyone surprised? they already did it with DaS2
YOU ENABLED THEM /v/
>>334855412
>mean she is literally ciarin, but all stretched out like abyss artorias.
She is not "literally ciaran".
>>334855813
you can't into english for starters friend
>it's in the abyss
no it's not
not a single item description or anything tells us it's in the abyss
From what the handmaid there said "Fires are known to fade in quiet" we can assume that's the real world.
Also if it was the abyss, it would have changed the enemies and people there. Like it does in every game.
>the blacksmith and handmaid respawn
see >>334855785
>yet the other handmaiden is perma kill
because she only sells embers and arty armor, the other shit is sold by other NPCs. She drops the priestess ring when killed and sells it as well.
Firekeepers are known to not have eyes, the "eyes of a firekeeper" are a forbidden object that forces them to see a world of dark, as Ludleth states. Which is why he decided to kill his Firekeeper (which is why we see her dead) and link the fire.
>play the fucking game and stop trying to give lore cause you suck at it
stop insulting me and try to argue civilly or I'll insult you back, retard
>>334812019
Guarantee a lot of the changes were made because people kept saying it was just bloodborne again.
Or we might see some of it in DLC.
>>334831314
>>334831869
I heard his set was in the game but when do you get access to it?
>>334855412
>stretched out like abyss artorias.
What the fuck are you on about?
>>334849273
make me
>>334856365
I'm not taking any sides on what the dark firelink is but I still think it simply being back in time isn't 100% true. I don't think it's the abyss either.
It's definitely a representation of the past but I don't think it literally is the past. It's too dark and still. Something is off about it in the same way something is off about the "normal" firelink.
>>334856279
No, not at all.Since people found Ciaran's swords in the game files by using CE.They ll probably be included in the DLCs
>>334856365
not him but
kek you mad and you didn't play anything other then ds2 have you my friend :)
>>334856520
I think he somehow see's a connection between Artorias having a broken arm and the Dancer being huge
>>334856568
The Firelink Shrine we teleport to isnt the real one.Since its not connected to the real world.Hence that is why we teleport to everywhere from that area.
>>334856365
>Firekeepers are known to not have eyes
lol
literally fucking what
>Darkmoon Firekeeper
>Anastacia of Astora
>>the blacksmith and handmaid respawn
The tell that they're illusions isn't solely that they respawn, it's that they drop nothing on death. No souls, no soul item, no items, nothing.
>>334812019
complaining about cut cotent in games is like complaining a movie directore cut out scenes, because he didnt like them or they didnt really fit or feel to forced, destroy the FLOW of the movie.
Well, it's not like you casuals could understand.
>>334856445
Dark Firelink Handmaiden sells it
>>334812019
>never beat DaS
>cant continue my old game on 360
>laptop is so shit i can only play under 600resolution and barely get 25fps
>heard nothing but bad things about ps3 version
I'm kinda surprised they havent put out a Dark/Demon "remaster" on next gen yet. It would sell good for the amount of effort they would have to put in
>>334856568
>>334856365
Champion Gundyr's item descriptions make it very clear that your Firelink either isn't real, or is some kind of alternate reality version.
The Firelink Shrine in Untended Graves thats connected to and obviously part of the "actual" world is what actually happened. The bells of awakening didn't ring, Handmaiden there says so, and the champion never showed up.
>>334857048
>Dark
She go crazy at some point then?
I'm stuck at Aldrich right now
>>334857268
Yeah just keep playing and exploring, you'll find it eventually.
>>334856824
firekeeper in this game says "Eyes are the only thing we firekeepers lack"
>>334856638
>not him but
yeah sure you aren't
>you only played ds2 haven't you
I've played DeS, DaS, DaS2, BB, and DaS3 and I hate 2, but nice generic falseflag insult you got there.
>>334856568
I can agree with that
But our firelink is not an illusion, that's fucking retarded
>>334857319
Alright then. I need to go back and do smouldering lake and find the missing estus shards anyway
>>334857423
>firekeeper in this game says "Eyes are the only thing we firekeepers lack"
In this game, and you only meet a single Firekeeper and one that's been blind from the start.
Firekeepers being blind has never been a thing before, except for The Fair Lady I guess.
>>334857453
Sounds like you missed something at the end of Lothric Castle's garden as well.
>>334857637
The firekeepers in 3 are blind, the firekeepers in that day and age are rendered blind for whatever reason. She's not talking about firekeepers from thousands of years ago.
There's a whole fucking pile of them in the tower, all of them wearing that same crown-thing our Firekeeper wears.
>>334856365
>yet the other handmaiden is perma kill
>because she only sells embers and arty armor
he is not saying anything about buying armor he is saying that the shrine you start in is a fake because the npcs in game are not killable and if killed will just respawn. the one in the dark area doesn't respawn if killed.
>it's in the abyss
>no it's not
again i have to say your a little wrong because of dark souls 1 showing how the abyss is portrayed in the 4 kings fight.i will post pic to show the 4 kings area.
i would also like to add that i cannot agree nor disagree with the past future thing but nor can you disagree that the place your in is not the abyss cause there is no proof and even if you bring up what is said from the no leg guy he could just bring up the eyes thing with when shown to him makes it clean the last fire keeper was in the dark side team.
i don't think you both no what your talking about and from what i can see he is screaming like a child and you are throwing half facts into the game and just saying exactly what he said to you back to him but i will not get involved so good day sir.
>>334857838
Because they're all her.
She even tells you that you can kill her and she'll just be back if you want to take her eyes away again.
>>334857741
Yeah i haven't properly explored Lothric Castle or the Cathedral im pretty sure. Everytime I go to do it im embered and get invaded by 2+ faggots and they just double team me, it's really annoying.
>>334858049
Put on the Way of Blue patch then, countless people sitting around as Blue Sentinels and Darkmoon Blades and never getting any work.
>>334858183
I did, and the one time that someone came to help the faggot just attacked me and when I almost killed him he just started to hide and drink etsus while I dealt with the red phantom and they just ending up stunlocking me to death
pvp is a fucking joke
>>334858002
no this is wrong.
if you go up to the tower and bring the firekeeper souls she says thats her sister ( not blood) they are not her
>>334858363
>the one time that someone came to help the faggot just attacked me
They can't do that.
>>334858379
What is wrong? She literally tells you
>..Ashen one, if thine heart should bend... kill me, and strip these eyes from my person. I will return as the Fire Keeper I once was. As it is has always been.
The Firekeeper Soul you find at the top of the Shrine isn't related to this. Like you said, it's not her soul.
Seems like I did the right thing pirating this game.
If From fixes this mess of a game with the DLC and releases an ultimate edition I might consider buying it
>>334837051
>think its a dark soul 1 fire that will fuck your shit up if it hits you
it's not that bad
>>334842851
Also, this item description
>>334858773
Anon how can they all be her?
Are you saying she multiples herself everytime she dies?
>>334858773
i'm sorry but no
This doesn't say anything about all those bodys being her.
>>334858971
>I will return as the Fire Keeper I once was. As it is has always been.
"As it has always been" implies there were never other people before her tending that fire. It's always been her.
>>334842851
Any idea why the sky doesn't change in firelink shrine once first 3 lords of cinder have been put to rest?
>>334842851
>>334858963
Yes, but the first guy got it backwards. Your Firelink Shrine, the functional one is in the past, Untended Graves Firelink Shrine is in the present.
You find the Coiled Sword Fragment in Dark Firelink, and it says it served its purpose long ago - in the past where your Firelink Shrine is.
I remember talk of some gameplay element where bosses would transform.
Did that get dummied out too?
Pic unrelated (its my dog)
>>334858963
>>334859720
Also, from Champion Gundyr's soul:
>Once, a champion came late to the festivities, and was greeted by a shrine without fire, and a bell that would not toll.
In the present, Gundyr showed up late, the bells never tolled and no champion showed up, the Handmaiden there says the same, and is surprised to see you despite no bells having tolled.
Something changed the past, so the bells did toll and you did get resurrected to be the champion of ash at Firelink Shrine. The world you play through never had that happen.
>>334812019
The swords on the ground was what I imagined "sword arts" would be
>>334860115
I'm pretty sure that was just "journalists" seeing Iudex Gundyr and interpreting too much into it.
They even cut the girl's ass. Will it be on the DLC?
>>334859681
Because its fake.
Game looks like a lot of copy paste from other souls titles.
>>334842246
>>334842296
>le DaS protags are dofferent people meme
Theyre all the fucking same soul reborn through the cycle you monkeys, thats why you do the same shit every game.
>>334842851
>Just because areas don't loop back to firelink doesn't mean it's an illusion.
Actually they do. You can get to Firelink from Oceiros' gardens. Yep, Untended Graves and Firelink are one and the same. You can see the orange soapstone signs from one in the other. The treasure chests and illusory walls are also exactly the same. And Firelink has those suspicious fog walls every time you want to leave it.
>>334860115
It's in the game. All bosses have at least 2 phases.
>>334812019
They haven't finished a game since DeS I don't know what you were expecting.
I don't normally wait for dlc before buying the game, but the Souls games are really fucking notorious at this point for not actually being finished until the game of the year edition drops.
![tumblr_n0w9cnTVAt1tr79wjo1_500[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/omc5i6p.png "tumblr n0w9cnTVAt1tr79wjo1 500[1]")
>>334862827
>DeS
>Finished
>>334844569
Because for 5 games, two different companies have been involved. And one of those games either doesnt have dlc while the othet does and doesnt reuse shit.
>>334862827
>He thinks DeS was finished
I'm sure they never intended to do anything with that last archstone.
>>334814130
man i'm upset that they didn't put armor in with bonuses like antiquated headset or hexers hood
feels horrible
>>334840768
> "Solaire is the firstborne!"
t. /v/
>>334863323
Dusk crown is here. I kind of hate feeling like i have to use it on my sorcerer for that sweet sweet boost.
>>334863576
i mean as stupid as jestures robes were, critical gauntlets, or the turtle armor, it was just a nice touch
>>334863148
>>334863172
>my face when idiots bring this up when I make this point for the umpteenth time
Ok bros. Something cut in preproduction scrubbed from the game is totally different from whole pieces of the narrative missing from the "final" product. It's totally the same and any game with cut content isn't finished.
>>334862334
Pretty sure the fog walls are a loading thing.
>>334856801
We can teleport to anywhere from every bonfire though.
>>334820026
No you just learn boring shit about about berlin wall and some other shit I can't remember because it was the most boring and uninteresting shit
You're more likely to pick up latin phrases by talking to niggers and trannies than in school
>>334820120
>>334820339
>>334820453
I bet one of these was for the cut Giant Bat boss.
>>334812019
>Games change from when they're first shown
More news at 11
>>334832583
>>334832586
Jesus I fucking jumped
>>334863803
they did ran out of time (and budget maybe) for that archstone tho
there's tons of assets regarding the area, the entire map, all of the enemies with animations, NPCs, it only lacks a boss, and since there was no proper concept artbook for DeS we'll never see what else they had planned.
so it really went further than just "preproduction" before being cut
Who the fuck is the handmaid
>>334866192
One of the four NPCs you are guaranteed to have encountered in literally every single playthrough of the game holy shit. use your fucking head. just think about it. think back to that time you played dark souls 3. remember it? remember that one woman who tells you she's a handmaid and sells you items? ringing any bells?
Every time we cross those black doors found at the end of wolnirs arena and untended graves entrance we travel time and space
Discuss.
Who the fuck is Ludleth
>>334869114
A lord of cinder
>>334858363
Play offline you moron
>>334869114
Play the game.
>>334867201
I wasn't paying attention to her name and didn't even saw her the first few times, thought it was a statue or something.
>>334869249
The manlet?
>>334860175
They I guess one of the DLC's will involve nothing but time travel to solve that paradox?
>>334813669
It's an eclipse, but its also a giant darksign
>>334870334
Yes
>>334819417
I wish that the DLC would take the player to the future rather than the past this time. I want to see how the world would change once the abyss takes over the world. The people still alive would desperately try to create a flame just as Izalith failed to do. Others would embrace the darkness and humans would finally overtake the gods.
>>334870572
How do you people remember those names
I mean the manlet was funny so I get that but how could anything else stick with you when it's all dry boring ass shit
I can only remember Andre because his name is similiar to mine, if you would ask me about any other npc I could give you stupid nicknamed
>>334857423
>and I hate 2
things niggas say to fit in lmao
>>334822480
No, Anri talks about the Cathedral being his home, and how he left to go to Anor Londo.
