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Discuss arena shooters related topics. Recomend some arena shooter games to each other.
I'll start so where do you think the genre is going it seems pretty quite at the moment. nothing else is big other than the usual quake-con and the last UT4 ESL Champs. UT 4 is pretty good. feels sort of like UT 1999 but i don't think the movement speed is as fast. it has potential to grow to something even better. but the community on the game is still pretty quite. Development on the game is there but not fast enough in my opinion. but then again the game is still in pre-alpha. what do you think /v/ ?
>>334801203
Unreal and UT99 have some amazing fucking music.
>>334801203
Doom
>>334801404
Doom isn't really an arena shooter. desu doom was never an arena shooter on the multiplayer modes. ever since quake stole the spotlight. now it feels like halo and CoD. well considering that the studio that develops the multiplayer for doom worked on halo and CoD it makes a lot of sense.
>>334801394
Fuckin right
UT will never be popular again.
Quake will never be popular again.
The audience just changed, and games are being made for a different audience now.
I don't know what there is to discuss. Quake 3 is what, 17 years old at this point? Its been played to death by multiple generations.
They won't die, sure, but they won't ever be as popular
I don't know why people talk about arena shooters as something be all end all kind of thing.
I love Battlefield and Quake. They are just different games with different rules. I don't care if more casual games are being made as long as some movement based shooters are around to go fast in and frag bitches.
Whats going on with that new UT game?
>>334803426
All 6 of us playing are having a blast
>>334803505
Does it have cool maps/game modes?
Is assault still a thing?
Quake 2 BFG > Quake 3 BFG
Quake 3 BFG was just a fucking slightly chunkier machine gun. More like BIG FUCKING DEAL WHO CARES
>>334803576
Assault is not in yet
Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament were the precursors to today's multiplayer-focus only shooters and in my opinion were bad for the progression of the genre.
Not to say they weren't high-quality titles but they marked the death knell of the solo shooter, so instead of tacking on a multiplayer mode, developers tack on a singleplayer mode.
What did everyone think about Toxikk? I was really enjoying the beta until it became dead. It also pissed be off that they lied about the real release date and it's been over a year in beta.
>>334803662
where can I see what has been added lately?
>>334801394
You're fukken right, we had a sweet ass Unreal/UT thread just yesterday and lot of good stuff was posted.
On that note though, Q3 has some bitchin' beats too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OinLxusNRsk
UT2k4 by comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aup9SAnt6lQ
None can compete with Tribes
>>334804040
nigga please
>>334801203
While not quite an arena shooter, have any of you played Dirty Bomb? It's got a higher TTK than games like CoD/BF/CS. Lots of tracking and aiming involved with various abilities that make each mercenary different. I've heard some people liken it to an arena shooter which is why I bring it up.
>>334804346
I'm banned from it because I use Netlimiter to check how shitty my isp is being, and to prevent shit like Steam from using all of my limited internet when downloading games.
>>334804346
It's a teambased game in which teamwork is actually not all that useful, it's not even fun. Plus, incredibly poor performance.
>>334804346
Helped make a general on /vg/ for it, and played it a bunch when it came out. Not so much now. Still hoping they open it to modding like W:ET was
>>334801394
Damn straight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iznoMeB4GYE
>>334801532
>Doom isn't really an arena shooter
You don't know what you're talking about.
>>334804516
>incredibly poor performance
This, I really don't understand how a game that looks like Half Life 2 can be more hardware intensive than BF4. And fuck their lack of matchmaking for unranked
>>334804346
It needs quite a bit of polish and it honestly can become quite good but still ITS JUST A BETA
Why aren't you playing UT4?
It's LITERALLY FREE.
>>334804947
runs fine on a 660
>>334802776
>UT will never be popular again.
I still have hope for humanity.
There is still chance that consolefags and casuals see how fun games with higher skill ceiling can be.
>>334805029
I'm still waiting for the Ripper to make a comeback.
>tfw haven't tested airblast against a ripper disk
>>334804947
>>334805086
I'm on a 660 ti as well, I have no issues getting 60 fps, but the microstutters, framepacing and camera movement has got to be some of the worst shit I've ever seen in a modern fps.
>>334805186
Yeah well Ripper ain't in it yet but all the other weapons are.
>>334804346
It's definitely quite a bit better than your standard FPS. A lot of the time I feel like abilities are far too impactful and detract from the higher TTK.
Also I wish more maps were built around long jump+walljump, and ideally id like to play a game with even more interesting movement options.
>>334804876
Reminds me of Zone of the enders 2 soundtrack.
https://youtu.be/m2zaOtG5yTI
>>334805320
>Bio Rifle
>Bio Launcher
>>334805325
Agreed. Another issue I have with it: It feels too much like you're shooting at healthbars. I mean, CS has healthpools, TF2 does, most shooters do. This game manages to make it feel like they matter more.
The shooting feels RPG-ish, and that's bad.
>>334805562
There's also no weight to most of the guns they feel so unsatisfying to shoot
>>334805534
Bio Rifle has a Bio Grenade Launcher now
>>334805740
forgot to add "mutator"
Bio Rifle has a Bio Grenade Launcher mutator now*
Fixed.
Basically it's a server mutator that swaps Bio Rifle for Bio Launcher which fires bio grenades primary and bio web secondary.
>>334805534
>he doesn't know
Bio launcher is visually same as bio rifle, but projectiles behave differently.
primary fire launches the small bio drops to explode into gas cloud which causes damage.
Secondary fills up like with bio rifle, but whereever the bio-mass lands, it makes a web-like thing that is very useful for setting up traps.
>>334805834
So the rifle is the official one now?
I know I saw some footage of the bio rework. I guess it's a good idea to have an official mutator to bring the old one back.
Can you still instagib people with a full charged glob?
>>334803505
Fucking this. when are you niggers going to stop complaining about the death of arena shooters and play a fucking free game with not support with no fucking pay to win shit and isn't owned by bethesda.
If one game convinced me that /v/ is literally all talk, it's the new unreal tournament... Alongside reflex, and toxikk, and quake live
>bbbut flimsy excuse for not playing it like some petty shit about a Twitter post by some guy who played the game once
>>334805135
>There is still chance that consolefags and casuals see how fun games with higher skill ceiling can be.
i think CoD is a secret plan to slowly CoD by CoD make the games faster and faster until they are effectively an arena shooter, hell the recent Blops looks like UT with hitscan.
>>334805997
No.
The old one is the defualt.
The new one is an optional mutator.
>>334805997
And yes you can instakill with full glob.
>>334805186
>Ripper
???????
>Classic arena shooters are dead
>Modern arena shooters are either dead or hated
Is there no hope?
>>334806564
That's the translocator isn't it?
>>334806885It is but I wanted to ruse you
>>334806694
Plenty of people play Quake Live
Plenty of people play UT99
Plenty of people play Enemy Territory
Plenty of people play Jedi Academy
Decent amount of people play UT4
????????????????????
>>334807021
>plenty of people play quake live
That's a fucking lie
>plenty if people play ut99
That's a fucking lie
>plenty of people play enemy territory
This is true
>plenty of people play jedi academy
That's a fucking lie
>decent amount of people play ut4
Meh, could be more. especially considering how fanny flustered everyone on here gets about MUH DEAD ARENA SHOOTERS BUHU RIP IN PEPPERONI
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>>334807232
>This is true
Those are bots anon
>>334807352
Lots of Russians m8
Those niggers love ET
I only play reflex, it pretty much replaced quake live for me wish more people played it though
The new UT is cool too
>>334807352
Not at all anon. I installed ET Legacy today and there's plenty of polish people playing for sure since I played on a full polish server with no bots literally 2 hours ago.
>>334807232
>That's a fucking lie
There's always full QL servers anon, sure there aren't gorillions of them but you can't say that you can't get any game at any time of the day because you can.
>That's a fucking lie
Ditto, also GameRanger.
>That's a fucking lie
>WHAT IS MOVIE BATTLES 2
>>334807232
quake live has the most players out of all of those games by a large margin, my dumb friend
there were quite a few of ut99 servers full of players when I last loaded it up, but that was over a year ago
>>334807538
>ET Legacy
Never heard of it so i googled it. Why is this a thing when ET is freeware? Is it different in any way?
>>334807728
AFAIK it's modified ET code so that it runs better on newer systems. Plus more patches.
>>334807728
https://www.etlegacy.com/about
>>334807461
i love cpm but they really need to work lock on away item timers, grenade timers, etc if they want me to play with anyone but people i personally trust
>>334807728
i think it's an improved source port/mod
>>334807728
ET Legacy is just prepatched and improved ET for modern systems thats backwards compatible with 2.60b servers.
Literally no reason not to use it.
>>334808186
>Literally no reason not to use it.
You can still play on regular servers, they don't have to be for the mod specifically right?
>>334808257
Which part of "backwards compatible with 2.60b servers" do you not fucking understand?
>>334808024
i guess they'll get around to locking timers but i don't really care unless it's a competition or something
ignore ebay bullshit, my phone wont download a better picture
I played the shit out of this as a kid, and nestalga wants me to play it again. It is supper grindy though, all the characters are locked alomg with most of the guns and their seccondary fire. It was still fun as hell for kid me
>>334808309
Nigger i'm still on my first coffee, my reading comprehention is that of a mentally disabled toddler
>WAAAAAAAAHHHHH WHY IS NOBODY PLAYING ARENA SHOOTERS ANYMORE
>What is Reflex
>>334808257
ETpro servers don't work with ET Legacy, but all other servers should work just fine.
>>334808586
You tell me
>>334808586
don't you know? unless it's a top seller AAA game with hundreds of thousands of people playing 24/7 your game has LITERALLY ZERO players.
>>334808697
>1k peak
lel why cant you guys accept people have no interest on arena shooters and the people who used to have dont give a fuck about them.
>>334808586
>what is Reflex
it's shit
>>334808697
BOTS FUCKING WHEN
I mean seriously, there's no better way to attract new players than by letting them learn the maps while killing bots.
Yes, the professional players will complain because they get nothing from that particular update, boo-fucking-hoo.
They need players to survive as a game. Implement basic bots that just move around the maps. A rudimentary matchmaking for duels. Done.
This way the game would at least have the ability to flourish and grow.
>>334808697
>all time peak
>169
The genre is dead.
>>334809008
>This way the game would at least have the ability to flourish and grow.
Quake Live always had bots. Sure is flourishing man
>>334808941
whobrought the shitposters in?
>>334809101
>Quake Live always had bots. Sure is flourishing man
It was when it came out. Quake Live is fucking old by now. Reflex is in EA, if they want to succeed and gain popularity they need those things upon full release in order to attract new players.
I mean seriously, the only thing QL has over Reflex is the playerbase. It's my honest opinion that Reflex does everything else straight out better.
>>334809254
>Quake Live is fucking old by now
Its not the game that is old, its the concept. You can't be this dense.
Reflex isn't growing, but not because of QL's "popularity", but because it is a copy-paste of a 17 year old game who nobody wants to play anymore.
>>334808941
projecting much?
>>334809008
a long way off unfortunately they just have 1 programmer and it's all gotta be made from scratch and will probably end up being quite a bit more complex than the average quake bot
ITT: Retards that think ~1k players = dead
>>334801203
We need a general for arena shooters on /vg/. Every time I make one they fucking die.
>>334809462
the only truly dead games are the ones that rely on some multiplayer service that gets shut down and there have been plenty of those while these old games carry on
>>334805186
Never knew you could do that.
>>334804040
hirez sean is a jew bastard
o well at least it's an update
>>334809637
It just pisses me off when retards act like games like JKA, Wolf ET, Q3/QL, UT and such are dead when in reality they have stable dedicated playerbase and you can always find a server to play.
It's the millennial console pleb crowd that thinks unless you've got AAA six gorillion players then it's dead.
>>334805320
>Bio Launcher
>Link gun
>Shock rifle
What's wrong with the old names.
>>334809549
>Every time I make one they fucking die.
So, just like the games then?
>>334809827
Yes.
>>334809773
Wut? Bio Rifle was always called Bio Rifle, same with Shock Rifle
http://unreal.wikia.com/wiki/GES_Bio_Rifle
http://unreal.wikia.com/wiki/Shock_Rifle
They renamed Pulse Gun to Link Gun because barely anyone uses primary fire (pulses) with it, everyone uses the secondary link fire.
>>334809101
1k for a peak is pretty good considering the genre. It's is too hardcore for most people and the only people who still play the games scare away any fresh meat.
This type of game doesn't have much of a place in the current game world unless they add things to it which no one who likes the genre would want. It needs lore, character, tournaments with money, and a strong casual and hardcore scene. It's all hardcore and that's it. There's no incentive for a casual audience. There are no pretty graphics, no waifu fap bait, no laid back game types, no hand holding. Not to mention there's not even much of an incentive for new players who are vets of other shooters. It's like an exclusive club that looks down on everyone then wonders why no one wants to join.
It needs a lot of updating and adjustment to break out of being a niche game type, but anyone who likes this kind of game doesn't want it to change.
>>334809928
>Bio Rifle
It's says bio launcher
>ASDM Shock rifle
>>334809949
>It's like an exclusive club that looks down on everyone then wonders why no one wants to join.
might seem like that from the outside but its not true, the whole community aspect is just more personal than hitting the matchmaking button and getting thrown into a game with random people you will never interact with again
>>334810281
Bio Launcher is a separate gun you fucking retard, read the list again.
Also
>complaining about removal of pointless "lore" shit from the names
Protip, all those changes were done back in UT2003, it's not UT4 change.
It was already just "Shock Rifle", "Link Gun", "Bio Rifle" in UT2003
>>334810553
Fuck you buddy.
>>334805186
That actually worked?
>>334810591
Thanks for proving you never cared about UT gameplay and are a whiny turbocasual nitpicking about pointless shit
>>334801203
COD is a quake 3 mod.
All arena shooters need to do is come up with a xp system that is basically cosmetic changes and effects AND release under a big name like UT or Quake.
>>334809408
>>334809105
I am not just projecting , the statistic is speaking for itself where all this arena shooter lovers when the most played game has literally 1k peak per day.
>tribes
>>334810819
>COD is a quake 3 mod.
Using the same engine doesn't make it a mod for Quake
Anyone down for some HLDM AG duels?
>>334810891
It's a joke.
>>334810819
na
the genre is literally dead every month even quake live is getting less and less players until its pretty much dead.
genre so dead that the person who started this thread isn't even posting.
>>334810913
Fuck off, Garpy
>>334810913
fuck off with your piece of shit genre no 1 cares about.
>>334811556
>literally dead
I want this literally meme to stop
>>334811762
tfw garpy quit hldm to play quake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYvOIqRmawI
>>334805135
Arena FPS has bad mechanics and map control in particular is a very artificial
It takes objectively less skill to kill someone if you have a weapon/health/armor advantage
It's also not fun
>>334811939
how the fuck isn't it dead ?
If the most played game has literally peak 1k players and its every month getting less and less.Please by what logic is the genre not dead , its not even stable is shrinking with each month, jesus even some obscure indie trash has more players then quake, also quake-con is getting less and less visitors.
>>334812316
Are you just here to troll? You'd probably get more replies in one of the Dark Souls threads or something
>>334812316
But map control is only a small part of arena mechanics.
>>334812320
Dead would imply no way to play the game online due to a lack of players or server infrastructure. Quake Live has dedicated servers so the latter will never happen and the former clearly isn't true because there are plenty of people online to allow you to duel at any time of the day.
You're just a nu-age gamer who refuses to play anything that doesn't have thousands of twitch viewers and players on steam.
>>334812402
>>334812560
not him but why cant you guys accept that the genre is dead and move on ?
>>334812316
a better play will always win even if they hand all the best pickups to the other player on a silver platter
>>334812636
I am actually 28
and I played all the crap out of this arena shooters online and LAN and I am literally tired of them and if a game doesn't have a good population (No 1 is talking you need millions but 1k for the most played arena shooter game is very low) you dont get many updates or events.
>>334812636
If I can't find players at any time of the day, the playerbase is either waning or dead.
Dead does not always mean it has a playerbase of zero. No one gives a shit if a game has like 10 players that play at specific times.
>>334812682
this may shock you but some people play stuff because they like it
>>334806151
what do you expect? /v/ would rather shitpost than play games.
>>334801203
Quake 2 was the best one all the rest are shit. Also arena shooters are a dead game type.
>>334812852
>you don't get many updates or events
Updates aren't needed, events are frequent as fuck. There are literally an uncountable amount of online leagues and cups for games like HLDM AG, Quake Live, Warsow, etc.
Its fine you don't like the genre anymore but why do you have to come in the thread and act like a giant pissbaby over people enjoying a game you don't like anymore?
>>334812925
then keep playing and stop making such shitty threads.
At least you can accept that the genre is going nowhere.
What's this meme about the new UT being dead?
Is it because the server browser is fucked? Quite a few times now I've looked at a 'hub' in the menu and it says there are 3 players or something, then when I actually go into it there are really like 40 people there.
>>334813094
>like 40 people there
>thinking that is a lotIts fine, the game is a long way from complete anyways
>>334801203
>arena shooters
Back to the 90's with your shitty, old, dead genre.
>>334801203
Arena shooters are dead. No producer or company wants to make one as it's insanely risky (apart from Unreal Tournament 4) and the numbers are small for all of them.
Still cool to watch them on Youtube though.
>>334809684
It's a pretty useless mechanic.
Unless you're a shitter that can't maintain an ammo count and need to protect yourself while you try to get some. But in that case, you're probably too much of a shitter to time it properly anyway.
>>334812995
no 1 is acting like a pissbaby , its you guys who keep thinking they genre has a future.
Enjoy your game you and the other 16 game that play with you.
>>334808941
These games are mainly 1v1.. you're not going to be starved for competition.
>>334804346
every time I try playing it I quit because I'd rather be playing ET
>>334812852
>I am literally tired of them
then please stop projecting this onto the discussion while arguing in bad faith
>you dont get many updates or events
thanks for confirming that you're retarded
>>334813050
how about you fuck off if you don't want to see discussion about things you don't like
>>334813389
>, its you guys who keep thinking they genre has a future
It does though. It's where the mainstream is heading. People are sick of slow moving tacticool shit. You can even see shit like COD slowly moving towards arena shooter principles
>>334813337
>stating the truth
>trolling
Sorry your games are dead. Go have fun with the 900 UK shitters that still play quake live.
>>334813389
>Enjoy your game you and the other 16 game that play with you.
Is that supposed to be an insult or something? I will continue enjoying the game, what are you gonna do? Shitpost some more? Have fun.
>>334813586
Its moving slowly back to Halo and if you think people have interest in arena shooters why is no 1 playing them ?
I quit because I got tired of it and it became shitty and literally all of my friends from 28 to 40 did the same.
You are stuck in the past and if you enjoy being in the past then fine keep on playing until you and 1 more guy are left.
>>334813631
its actually less then 900 the average on 1 day is 500-600 on quake live , but the game is owned by 2.5 million people, 99.99% of the people who bought quake live dont care about it anymore.
>>334813636
no i will keep laughing at you and laugh at your "When will arena shooters come back" threads that you are making.
>>334813917
Anyone who launched the game on steam when it was free got a copy of it for free so that number is a bit inflated.
>>334814002
I didn't make the thread.
Arena shooters don't need to come "back" because they are already here.
Why are you so upset?
>>334813774
top fucking kek. And what exactly are you playing instead?
COD?, Destiny? lmao.
You try and use it as an insult, but I literally would have more fun with 1000 players who are dedicated, involved in the community, mapping, posting on forums etc than 1 million 14 year olds who just pass through whatever is flavour of the month.
Then again you come across as a neofag type retard who spends all day pouring across sales figures and user numbers to shitpost about rather than actually playing games
You niggas talking about them arena shooters and listing the active ones but you're all forgetting Renegade X and Halo Online aka ElDewrito
>>334809928
I'm pretty sure he means GES and ASMD prefixes. I wish they were brought back
>>334814391
I know what he means and bitching about those pointless prefixes is silly, it's not like these games are about LORE.
Go play Unreal and Unreal 2 for that.
>>334814368
Renegade X is shit.
>>334804346
The grind to buy new mercs is out of this world
>>334809721
This, fuck that guy
Why don't you casuals just grow up and play a real skill based shooter?
>>334814513
>CS
>Arena shooter
No.
>>334808697
What site is this?
>>334814565
>fight in an arena
>shoot
How is it not?
>>334814693
SteamCharts
>>334814693
steamcharts
>>334814513
yeah, let me play the bad version of cs
>>334814693
steamcharts
>>334814710
Not fast
No bunnyhop
No DM
No TDM
No CTF
>>334814513
>>334814710
CS:GO is the worst version of CS
Enjoy your crates, washed out visuals, skins, grinding and broken matchmaking.
I'll take 1.6 and Source over GO anytime of the day.
>>334814513
>csgo
>play a real skill based shooter
>>334814810
God, I really miss CTF. I like arena shooters, but I don't need 100% hardcore skill based MLG gameplay. (The Quaky community is full of so many obsesses wannabes it's sad).
I just want fast-paced fun.
>>334814391
I do too, but they were probably cut because they were politically incorrect.
GES stands for "Green Exploding Shit" and ASMD stands for "And Suck My Dick". I am not making this up.
>>334814710
>one weapon limit
Heh.
>>334814810
Halo doesn't have most of those and it's still an arena shooter
>>334814906
>All the """issues""" listed don't affect gameplay
helloooooo silver
>>334815013
You can hold 3 weapons and 4 grenades.
>>334814989
Play UT4 if you want CTF.
See >>334805029
Alternatively if you want siege-type gameplay then play Enemy Territory or Jedi Academy with Movie Battles 2
>>334815157
>a knife is a useful weapon
>>334815023
>>All the """issues""" listed don't affect gameplay
Washed out visuals do affect gameplay, making everything harder to see due to washed out visuals.
Also why would I play it when 1.6 has great gameplay but isn't tainted by all those flaws of GO?
Why would I play GO when I can play the much better looking CSS if I want something different?
GO is entirely pointless for me since it doesn't offer me anything over 1.6 or Source.
>>334815292
If you're not shit, yes.
>>334814368
>Renegade X
>Start round
>Teams are stacked already
>Power Plant dies in 30 seconds from the start of the round to a hotwire/tech
>Round is over in 4 minutes
>Devs keep actively nerfing "camping" (read: defensive strategies) to keep it this way
Jesus christ, one of the best parts of old ren was the 50-man games that could last for hours.
>>334815023
>>334815157
It's probably the nostalgia speaking, but I still think 1.6 has the cleanest and best visuals. I mean, sure, GO has nice textures and models and effects, but it sucks for focus on gameplay.
I think 1.6 in all its clunkiness has a lot of charm.
>>334815359
I don't think you played much of Ren X because I had plenty of games that dragged on for fucking forever.
Play on EU servers since those tend to have skill balanced teams and no stacking. If you're american, I dunno what to tell you man.
>>334815350
The knife is a gimmick, not a valid weapon. You don't see people going knife-only on eco rounds, do you?
>>334815456
Not a gimmick, it's a valid but very situational weapon.
>>334815415I agree completely. Also I kinda miss modded weapon skins instead of the shit that passes as "quality" skins in GO
>>334815531
>very situational
Otherwise known as literally never except when you want to feel good because you humiliated the other guy, something like the gauntlet in Quake.
And don't give me no stealth factor bullshit either, you know its true
>>334814513
>csgo autist again
>>334815591
Plus, 1.6 has the superior movement. I miss that.
>>334815691
You could either reload that empty pistol or quickswitch to the knife and do a lot of damage.
>>334815806
this nigga knows
>>334815591
As much as i hated 1.6, csgo is a fucking clusterfuck of everything.
Background sounds that distract the player? check
Bugged out sound? check
Effects that completely block the visuals like molly's fire and nades? Check
Broken smokes where you can see trough them at times and lots of one ways? check
The game is a fucking mess, even maps are full of props that only add cluster to the visual mess that the game is, not to mention shit maps like nuke were it seems like the creator just put the most possible shit everywhere just because.
Still, i love this game more than 1.6 or source.
>>334815910
The non-existant first shot accuracy is utterly ridiculous. This is a skill-based game. My crosshair is on the enemies head. I fire a single shot. It misses.
I mean, in reality weapons miss a shitload, but it's always been a hallmark of Counterstrike that skill rewards you with success.
Not so much in CS:GO.
>>334815910
You sound like the kinda person that's easily distracted by small details tbqh. Also they made nuke better to look at, so there's that.
>>334815023
halo isn't an arena shooter
>All the """issues""" listed don't affect gameplay
shitty visibility and locked graphics and postprocessing settings that makes you turn up driver/monitor colour saturation to see anything doesn't affect playing? if you want i can list some other aspects that tied to gameplay systems
>depthless hamstrung source movement
>bad recoil mechanics removes variety and depth from core gameplay. i.e. tapping is shit spraying is dominant
>poorly balanced "sidegrade" m4 divided in two because skins
>wallbanging
>run & gun smgs and shotguns that require zero skill to use
>autosniper as a concept
>shitty unrewarding awp mechanics such as 250ms accuracy delay dumbs down gameplay
>smokes are too strong and flashes are very weak comparatively, makes tactics very two-dimensional
>really strong pistols because being punished by the economy system is apparently bad and having a high level eco layer to the game isn't needed
>>334814513
>Cheaters up the ass
>Cross hair doesn't line up with shots
>limited VIABLE gun selection
And before you start spiting crap about "h-h-have you eve shot a real gun?!"
It's a video game.
I don't care if the gun has rng recoil and spread, but memorizing shot patterns is a fucking stupid concept. I'm sure any idiot can do it within a week of playing, but it's still fucking stupid.
>>334801203
This thread is just going to start arguments so I'll throw a 'radical' opinion. Let's see the result.
With evidence showing arena shooters in small numbers, new players are needed. My idea was taking them from the new Doom coming out. My idea is to effectively protest for a classic arena mode/playlist for this new Doom. Don't pre-order or buy until it's in.
Effectively, this mode will start every player with just a pistol (maybe heavy assault rifle or standard shotgun too) and the weapons will be scattered across the map. Due to not starting with weapons, weapon damage can then be increase to make the rocket launcher much more powerful alongside other weapons if necessary. Movement speed will be increased, strafe-jumping can be added, being able to move in the air more freely. Hack modules, demon runes and loadouts can be removed for this mode/playlist.
This causal playlists can allow people to play the game for a blast of fun but if they wish to move on or believe they are ready, a classic, more competitive playlist is there for them to see the other, original side of Doom (and Quake to an extent). If arena shooters are to survive, introducing new players this way can maybe introduce new gamers to the original arena games like Quake 3, etc.
I know people hate Beth, id software and modern games but this seems the best way in my opinion.
Right, opinions, suggestions?
>>334806564
Jokes on you the Ripper Blueprint someone made is using the transloc model.
>>334816060
???
>>334816141
I don't think we're playing the same CSGO
>>334801203
I want to finally get a stable job so I can buy a proper rig, a 144hz monitor and jump into UT4.
>>334816178
>cheaters
nah
>crosshair doesn't line up with shots
only if ur bad lol
>limited VIABLE gun selection
Only non-viable guns are dualies and M249.
Perfectly thread ruined by a fucking CS:GO autist.
Fuck off and die please, we're not interested in your shitty game.
>>334815867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL4_zGb29gU
>>334816227
i can see how you wouldn't be able to relate if this is your first fps but don't be dissuaded as you can buy the original counter-strike on steam for only 9.99 or even play the superior version 1.3 on community run master servers.
>>334816227
>???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0rlCJ047Ds
Picture related is a funny thing, too.
>>334814513
>Slow as fuck
>No vertical gameplay
No thanks.
>>334816619
>first fps
whoops, forgot to show of my gamer cred with me being amazing at other games ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Arena shooters need some new life.
How about an arena shooter with scorestreaks ala Call of Duty?
Not like Quake 3 doesn't already have snowball mechanics with all the pickups.
reborn when
>>334816865
i would expect someone new to cs as most csgo players are to not have fully developed brains and be able to discern sarcasm yet
>>334815023
>don't affect gameplay
There should be no weapon limit so you have to learn to quickswap all you weapons.
There should be completely different weapons that have different mechanics, that are more useful in some situations and less in others. That way you have to learn and use all of them.
There should be no weapons that abuse bullshit RNG. Ideally no RNG at all.
There should be no weapons or armor on spawn so you have to learn map control.
Maps should have vertical design with lots of jump pads and elevators instead of typical flat bullshit with few corridors like in cs, where instead of expecting enemy from all directions, including up and down, you usually have just one or two corridors where they all be coming from.
Movement should be a lot faster and challenging. There should be areas where you can get only with wall jumps or advanced movement mechanics. Players shouldn't be able to guesstimate the enemy position due to shitty predictable movement speed and shoot through the fucking wall in advance, like they do in cs.
And that's just the few """"issues"""" I have with this """"competitive""""" game.
>>334816631
Well thats mostly cause you are shitter. First two bullets are accurate at certain distances (of course its not accurate from t spawn to doubledoors, this is not a fucking railgun). After that you are supposed to control the recoil. so first to bullets to head, 3-8 jump to chest and then it forms an S.
Theres a reason why europeans like to stand still or crouching instead of running stop and shooting.
What version of Quake 3 is the most played currently? Live? Or a source port?
>>334816865
I don't know what is it but I still feel UT4 too slow.
Still fun tho.
>>334817050
Sarcasm doesn't exist. Also 1.3 and 1.6 are shit. This was always the best version of CS
>>334810885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR8lCBxs4fw
Starsiege was better in every way compared to neo Tribes.
>>334817256
I know what you mean, it's especially noticeable if you're coming from quake.
I don't play UT4 because of this
http://i.imgur.com/pmMtcGC.gif
Fix your garbage netcode problems and I'll play it
>>334817059
>I'm not good at resource management
I bet your autistic ADHD ass got shit on in SC too lmao xD
>>334817153
L|ive
>>334816998
>2010
guys im making a game
>2011
reborn soon fellow gamers
>2012
trust me it's coming soon
>2013
okay guys i've been making bank off this dota crap and now we're gonna have special abilities and different classes to play as
>2014
trust me i am still working on this also it's called diabotical
>2015
look it's coming soon but we need to do a kickstarter to show these mobile edutainment publisher dudes that i mean business
>2016
???
s-soon
>>334817509
What is your gif supposed to show? That Shock Rifle isn't instagib? It never was. It deals 40 damage on primary fire and 45 on secondary, 55 on combo.
>>334817256
>>334817423
Movement speed is too slow, weapon switching is too slow.
Honestly, in my opinion the translocator needs a few seconds of cooldown and movement speed needs an increase. Using the transloc for getting up ledges, porting through grates and so on is great, using it as the primary means to move across longer distances is not.
It's clunky as fuck.
The transloc is probably the reason for why weapon switching is so damn slow, too.
>>334817678
wait what? i always thought it was insta gib on combo without armor
UT needs less floaty gravity, 100% air control and maybe strafe jump acceleration or some exra way to go fast when there aren't walls to jump on
>>334817678
>isn't instagib
>shot counter is still 20 when you shoot
>your health clearly shows 100
>one shot from the same gun instantly kills you
it's instagib
>>334817753
I noticed both flak and rocket grenades are heavy as fuck. Also why the fuck did they change the old rocket charge modes.
>>334817898
It's a bit weird, sure, but I actually don't mind. They need to change a few things up. Ignore the UT99 or UT2k4 loyalists that can never agree on a single issue.
Projectile speed is slow, but at least they're powerful. The Flak murders in this game.
>>334817256
Movement speed is slow, but you have to use jump pad/elevator assisted dodge jumps to get everywhere faster. Dodging speed is superfast on the other hand and has small cooldowns. In small areas people walldodge all overt the place with the lightning speed. That's why it feels very different from quake.
>>334816361
>crosshair doesn't line up with shots
>only if ur bad lol
I-it's a feature! G-git gud!
>>334817894
headshot maybe?
>>334818029
You really should get good though.
>>334817059
But all the things you listed are standards for arena shooters and not with past cs games, Cs was never about these things,
but the other anon was implying that cs is an arena shooter, while is obviously not.
you and wemb anon should stop sperging for a second. and stop this fucking derailment.
>cs babby shitting the thread
CS was always inferior to q3. Only shitters that couldn't get into q3 played 1.5 and then 1.6 happened.
>>334818216
what if I post a different shooter?
>>334801203
remember having to connect via IP?
kids today couldn't deal with that shit
>>334817753
Use more wall dodges, you can get moving really quickly if you know the environment.
>>334818367
Wish this thing had more to it than just one fucking platform and one weapon
>>334803976
UT 2004 was recycling that stuff
give me a good song from 2k4 that wasn't in the other games
exactly
>>334818367
I adore the shit out of this game.
>>334808941
1000 people is more than enough
does every game you play need to have millions of people playing for some sort of confirmation you "arent wasting" your time?
(you are)
>>334807352
OH GOD!
I LOVE VANILLA ICE CREAM!
>>334818696
it is important if you are not from a first world countrylike me ;-;
>>334818814
DID SOMEBODY SAY ICE CREAM?
>>334818562
>>334818693
I'd play it more if the sounds didn't scare me so much
>propose some new change to bring more people to arena shooter
>autistic players instantly cry that the game is perfect how it is.
>"Why are arena shooters dead I am tired to play against the same people always"
>>334812560
But why does it exist at all?
Is it fun? No. Is it skillfull? No.
It's a trash mechanic and honestly a big part of why the genre completely died
>>334818997
>map control isn't fun or skillful
bigger bait than my webms
>>334818964
It's almost like the average arenashitter is a complete fraud and doesn't want to be exposed by everyone else in a new game
Why do you think they stay secluded in their shitty dead games
>>334818890
That's the best part. This game manages to be scary as fuck despite having entirely action-oriented gameplay. No jump scares, no psychological horror, just sound effects that are genuinely scary and visceral as fuck. I love it.
Especially with HRTF on. It's an amazing and unique experience.too bad I suck at the game
>>334818008
I abuse the Roll > Slide thing, pretty nice to move fast, to be honest.
>>334817996I-I'm actually more of a UT99 person
I still miss those 6 rockets.
>>334819178
>killing someone when you have more health and better weapons is skillfull
You're really smart
>>334817894
Nigger you NEVER played UT
http://unreal.wikia.com/wiki/Shock_Rifle
You're thinking of Quake 3 Railgun.
UT Shock Rifle was NEVER instagib.
>>334817797
Only in the dead center of the combo. The closer to the edge of the combo explosion you are the less damage it does, the median is about 55.
>>334819253
Wew, Dodge > Slide. I fucked up.
>>334818997
> Is it skillfull?
The skill of map control isn't about memorizing timers anon.
Do I need to link rapha vs cooler again?
I've played a 2 day trial of this mice shooter. Was pretty cool
>>334819314
>Everyone starts with a gun that shoots tampons
>someone worked harder and earned his gear
>not skill
why the heck am I responding?
>>334819361
Oh I get it, you're just an idiot
Not surprising of course, since you cling to a worthless genre
>>334801203
Nice to see more arena shooter threads around here
>>334819561
You worked harder once for one kill, so if you're better why would you need a weapon and health crutch?
? Are you stupid or something
Why aren't you playing Reflex? It even has defrag now like strafe maps
>>334819645
D44M's shittyness reignated some love for Quake and UT.
>>334818964
the whole "too hardcore this is why the kids don't play" is stupid. the most popular games nowadays are absurdly complicated and obtuse with horrible feedback. people don't play all these arcane dota games because they're easy to get into. they play them because they have lots and lots of marketing and prey on people's behaviour such as cash shop item shit and gambling.
quake live didn't magically grow after getting loadouts. you could turn the entire game into cod and it wouldn't change a thing
>>334819571
>>334819314
In the best versions of quake (which was why people didn't like QL for so long), a player with better "fps skills" can be someone with a superior stack assuming they aren't just miles ahead.
Shooting doesn't go out the window when map control comes into play
>tfw warsow is dead and peope on it only play that one fucking instagib map with the speed bug
>>334819785
>can beat someone
I meant to say
>>334819785
This
If an aimbot can't dominate in it, it's a good arena shooter.
>>334819710
To make sure the worms stay underground
>>334819728
because no 1 has interest on areana shooters , quake live has literally 500 people average online and everything else has under 100.
its a dead genre.
>>334819928
>absolutely dumpstering shitters is fun
It's a novelty that wears off incredibly fast and is objectively less interesting than actual competition
>>334819710
>>334820056
>why am i punished for losing
items mean you have contention. reasons to move around the map. you're left with duel/clan arena otherwise.
If arena shooters arent dead then where are all this millions of people who used to play?
Its like almost all of the old arena shooter players moved on and started to play more interesting games.
I've been playing Blacklight Retribution lately and it's bretty fun
>>334820510
Many of them got older and had families.
>>334819178
>"You have been kicked from the game, reason: not protecting the bomb"
>>334820742
TFW 33
Me and my friends usually play Dota 2 now or TF2.
I assume they got bored of arena Shooters like me.
>>334820742
This. I'm fucking 26 now. Inb4 ree but yeah I have a girlfriend, not planning on having kids any time soon though if ever. I mostly play different kinds of games now, instead of being rewarded for short term skill I now prefer being rewarded for long term planning.
4K games, strategy games, actual roguelikes.
>>334815023
>>334814710
>CS
laughingwhores.jpeg
>>334820260
There are other ways to do this than by babying the player who gets a kill
It's really just proto-killstreaks, albeit easier to obtain but less easy to utilize
>>334821061
rewarding the player who wins isn't "babying". this is like complaining that the guy who is put in a commanding position after winning a big battle in an rts is being "babied" because his opponent is left weak.
>>334817820
There is, you literally just hold forward and you build up speed. Why do I get the feeling that nobody knows this?
>>334820990
>>334820990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNvDUO42Hys
>removed from the game completely.
>>334820990
CS used to be called a tactic team shooter, not an arena shooter. It's so fundamentally different, it's not even trying to be quake, why do you feel the urge to compare them? Do you also say mobas and rts is the same because you move units on a map?
>>334819561
>>334819928
Too bad the game's multiplayer community is dead, that looks fun.
>>334821561
shit I just remembered this webm
>>334821696
They still do weekly tourneys in that one steam group
>>334821496
why you niggers keep posting this video when the guy who made the video is a know cheater.
>>334821561
>he spent 2000 hours in the lowest skill ceiling FPS on the market
LOL
>>334821526
CS is still fundamentally a reaction to arena shooters. i.e. "I'm 13 and getting destroyed at Quake, please slow down the game massively and introduce things to even the playing field". Nearly 20 years later and it's the same thing, except they bought in more 13 year olds with le ebin skin collection
>>334821561
>>334821496
There is nothing skill based about CS. It's just memorization of arbitrary things like spread and recoil that only exist in that form in CS, with none of the skills transferring to any other shooter.
That's why retards still play CS after so long, because they can't actually git gud at anything else
>>334821526
>tactic team shooter
>cs
>tactic
That's swat4 or rainbow six.
>>334821891
fine here fag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kMIpoP8MwM
>>334821891
>cheater
prove it.
>>334822012
You can't memorize the random spread, only the recoil patterns, but even then the spread is so great that it practically doesn't even matter since most people tap shoot and there's RNG on every shot except for shotguns.
>>334822012
There is nothing skill based about Quake. It's just memorization of arbitrary things like weapon spawns and rocket jumping that only exist in that form in Quake, with of the the skills transferring to any other shooter.
That's why retards still play Quake after so long, because they can't actually git gud at anything else
>>334822119
you know that he quited after finally getting vac banned and deleted his channel, right?
>>334822363
Except that isn't true because Arena shooters actually teach skills. A Quake player will be pretty good at UT, Tribes, etc, plus any of these shitty modern shooters.
CS only teaches you to be good at CS and nothing else. Memorising Dust and playing it for 20 years is not actually skill
>>334822498
yeah im really glad VAC is 100% reliable :^)
>>334822363
It's impossible to 'git gud' at RNG, though.
That combined with the slow movement, punishment for movement and shallow tactical depth make this game the lowest skill ceiling FPS on the market.
It's a decent team strategy game, though.
>>334822363
There is nothing skill based about CS. It's just memorization of arbitrary things like weapons and their spray patterns that only exist in that form in CS, with of the the skills transferring to any other shooter.
That's why retards still play CS after so long, because they can't actually git gud at anything else
>>334822619
Simply not true.
>>334822363
cs has zero transferable skills. someone only good at cs can rail, that's about it.
>>334822734
All false VACs are removed within a week. This dude was VAC banned for cheating, plain and simple.
>>334804876
best track
the ut3 remix of it isn't bad either
>>334822778
so, strategy is not a skill?
>>334822872
>cheating
you know you guys all claim this guy is famous for cheating, yet ive seen no proof.
>>334822869
Some of them are decent snipers, but that's about it.
I've played numerous CS shitters who proudly display their Global Elite status and ESEA profiles in their Steam profiles in BO3 and absolutely shit on them. Kinda sad considering they would have you believe CoD is the casual game.
>>334822987
VAC ban is 100% proof of a cheater. All false bans are reversed within a week.
Why these threads are always infested with CS:GO spamming faggots?
>>334823134
babby's first fps
>>334822958
Strategy is literally guessing.
>>334823112
Still not seeing any proof here.
I know >consoles but fuck if I don't miss playing this.
>>334821235
Why doesn't a tennis server get to serve again if they win then
>>334822869
Honestly playing quake and all that other shit felt easier after playing CS, Becuase instead of having to stop to shoot I can keep moving, and CS already taught me how to track enemies well, have good cross hair placement, and how to use weapons situationally.
Counter strike makes for the worst frag videos. You can never do anything that's very impressive in and of itself, just string together a few impressive things. Which anyone can do with enough playtime and getting lucky.
Arena shooters are shit.
>>334823238
phoon's steam account,
https://steamcommunity.com/id/1dg
still vac banned, never went back to play competitive, his channel still deleted, I fucking wonder why.
>>334823517
maybe he was just too much for zblock :^)
>>334823517
way before the vac thing he made a video saying he was too old for CS and he was done with it though.
>>334822363
All these Webms show is that CS is for casuals?
>too slow, sluggish and unskilled for actual Arena shooters like Quake and UT?
>too dumb for genuine tactical shooters like SWAT and Rainbow?
>play CS, the ultimate middle of the road game for people who can't get good at any type of shooter that's remotely specialized!
>it's even counter terrorist themed so you can pretend it's really ''''tactical''''
>>334823517
wrong account buddy,he is still vac banned tho
http://steamcommunity.com/id/bhophoon/
>>334806885
Months ago Epic said they're workin on the ripper effect, but only with the Transloc model for now. They showed it bouncing around and stuff.
Don't know if they're seriously considering it because of how big UT levels are now, so Ripper won't be as effective/spammy.
>>334815691
Naaaaaah iirc in CS:GO you get a lot of money from knifing someone.
>>334823901
>Rainbow Six
The old R6 multiplayer played almost like CS though, just with less accuracy penalties on movement.
>>334820510
They switched to better games. Arena fps weren't that good in the first place. People just didn't have anything better to play.
>>334823134
Csgo threads always get infested by arenafosfags as well.
>>334813050
>make thread to discuss genre
>this faggot jumps in yelling how the genre is dead
>"just want to talk about the goddamn games what is your deal"
>NO STOP MAKING SUCH SHITTY THREADS
holy fucking autismo, batman
post sick frags
>>334824457
literally never happened
>>334825251
Literally happens in every single Counter-Strike thread.
>>334825251
There are ALWAYS quaketards that go full autism about their game is so much better but the majority of people don't play it. It's the exact same thing as dota2 players shitting on league of legends with elitsm
>>334817423
The hell is that alt fire?
>>334827317
I don't even like GO and see 1.6 as the superior game, the source engine is only good for meme games like tf2.
I still don't see how you can even compare the games. It should be compared with similar games like UT or shootmania. That's like comparing Dota with starcraft, everyone will call you an idiot
>>334827369
Is the same as the stinger in Unreal 1
If SS13, a barely working atmos sim that's been in a shite, hard to code engine for 13 years, can have a dedicated general with new content added to the serb with only 30-60 players/posters, then I don't see why there can't be a General where we can play UT4 together and make maps and such for it.
>>334823662
That wasn't him speaking in the video. He was using audio from a different video, it was just a joke.
>>334827317
Those are just your run to the mill shitposters, there's barely anything arena related in that thread
>tfw people assume QL will be difficult to get into (i got into it in 2014, being my first multiplayer FPS to put a significant amount of time into - it was one of the easier MP games to get into), bring up loadouts and say the game is shit without really knowing anything about them (or rather, how they pretty much didn't effect the game at all), which have been removed, or assume it's too dead to play
It's pretty annoying. People just seem to gravitate towards what has the players, as opposed to what has the fun/good gameplay. I wonder how many QL players come to /v/.
>>334830546
Reflex seems to have incredibly fun gameplay, both serious duels, fun CTF and great movement in races. But: I'm really hesitant to buy it because of its freakishly small playerbase.
Finding someone that's even in the same ballpark skill-wise is going to be difficult with only 30 players online.
It's a fucking pity.
I think there's more new people playing UT4 since the doom 4 demo.
>>334827369
Think the stakegun in painkiller.
>>334801203
>finally an arena shooter thread
>insecure cs:go players start spamming it
>"well..cs:go is better guys stop liking different things to me"
>>334830546
I could never get into Quake. I'm too used to dodges and strafe-jumping is quite complex to use in the middle of a match compared to dodging.
>>334828879
>tfw janny forever
>>334830987
It's always like that.
>>334828879
No artists and making new stuff for UT4 is beyond the scope of most people here. It may be obtuse to work with but SS13 is still sprite shit. The game needs Lore and Waifus for people to work with to generate content for generals.
You also need stuff to shitpost about during content provider downtime to keep post counts up and E-Drama. So you need personalities for people to hate and Zack and Goober are the most inoffensive people about.
Fuck now that I mention all that I really want all this.
>>334817423
You sprint if you run for a few seconds without sharp changes of direction. What I want to know is how the fuck that gunner wasnt paste before he got half those kills. Are the reds all 0 Bots or retards?
>>334830546
I jumped on QL just earlier actually because I had a hankering for it. What is wrong is everyone grabs one of 2 weapons on startup. Rocket launcher or Lightning gun. They then spam it in the direction of players. That is all that happens and in the end theres a 4 kill spread between the bottom of the group and the top player. It's fucking retarded.
>>334830780
Same for me. Add to this I'm so pov at the moment I can't afford to drop 10 aud on a game.
>>334801203
what's ut4's player count like, I get hammered into the ground by the few hundered players everytime I play kek
Okay, Warsow is free and looks like a good Quake clone. Multiplayer is dead, but I'm giving it a shot. Nothing to lose, might as well try it before I buy a game with more players.
Wish me luck, /afpsg/.would like to make that a thing, actually
>>334801394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp6zFy6q0_M
>>334830780
Most of my time in Reflex is race because there's so few players. I don't think that will ever change. It do prefer the gameplay of it over QL (I play a good amount of PQL), and the netcode is great. Reflex will probably only be useful for pugs, or if you have some buddies to play with. I'm just happy QL isn't dead, that update with the loadouts almost killed the game. The population halved two times in two months. People should've known that server hosts would be able to disable them.
>>334831068
I feel ya, I don't expect everyone to like it, but hopefully people who are interested give it a chance despite the small population.
>>334831109
Seems you're talking about FFA, never liked that mode myself. Unfortunately game modes like CTF or TDM are mostly dead.
PLEASE TELL ME UT4 IS GOING TO HAVE ASSAULT, BOMBING RUN, DOMINATION ETC. AND ISN'T JUST GOING TO BE "MUH 1V1 DM AND INSTAGIB CTF-FACE" FAGGOTS
>>334831185
Here it's basically nothing because the only things Australians play is ARMA customs, dota/league and CSGO.
>>334831439
>16 players in FFA
>0 in anything else
I mean people complain about there not being enough people in the US. At least there's a couple hundred there.
>>334831592
It will but there's like all of 5 people actually working on the game. Everyone else at Epic is on either the engine or the new moba game. There's shit people are working on in the forums but I can't ever be fucked checking them because forum layouts give me the shits. There's at the least some map makers working on maps and someone allegedly made a rudimentary vehicle mode but how far all that gets is up to the modders. There's mutators for movement for whatever your flavor is as well but I couldn't be fucked figuring out how to install them to try them.
>>334832035
That's a shame. Here in the states CA (PQL and VQL), FT, Insta, FFA, and Duel usually have players at regular times. Other game modes pop up sometimes, such as a TDM pug server.
>>334831592
They are, but remember that Epic is also working on at least 3 othershittygames.
>>334805029
Need more/better waifu character models. I don't like the only necrisfu, bad hairstyles and not sold on the whole necris redesign either.
>>334831308
Okay, Warsow isn't bad, but feels a bit low-fi in general. A bit too clunky, a bit too raw. Plus, there are 15 players online right now. That's not good.
I really liked the fast pace, though. That was fun. I'm terrible, of course, but it was fun. God how I missed fun shooters. Damn, now I need something else that actually has a living community.
Why don't you guys play a real competitive game?
One that actually has a player base
>>334833095
UT99 Necris are leagues better than bald, augmented Necris in UT4.
Can someone explain to me how in the fuck strafe jump accel works
I get the BASIC GIST but I just can't seem to get it down
Do I move the mouse slowly from side to side?
speed you say
>>334835330
Don't tempt me
Fuck it's dust2
It's tempting
That looks fast
FUCK
>>334835860
do eet
>>334834019
I love warsow after learning the bug in one of the instagib servers
It makes you go at like 2000 speed
t. Guy with like 100 hours in it who is really bad
>>334804876
I fucking love this track so much
![GVAHrzm[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nopwwIb.jpg "GVAHrzm[1]")
