ITT: games that have endless replay-ability
>>334793147
>play game for 10 minutes
>remember that all the dungeons are linear garbage
>remember that all the quests are trash
>remember that all the factions are pure shit
>decide to play other TES games that weren't rushed as fuck despite having the longest dev time in the series
>>334793147
You first.
Is Skyrim the first immortal game?
With mods it still looks better than any modern game, even after 5 years.
>>334794846
this x1000
fuck skyrim
also fuck arena and daggerfall too
ultima underworld was the best first person fantasy game until might and magic 6 came out
>>334794908
Are you honestly this delusional?
>>334794891
Check the image. He put the game there instead of in text.
>>334794939
opinion on grimrock games?
>>334794846
>>334794939
>>334794982
it does look quite pretty with the right mods
>>334794939
>>334794846
wrong image, i know im shit
>>334795280
haven't played those actually, I just havent really got around to it if I play another grid based one I want to finish might and magic 3 that game is fucking awesome. It might be old as shit but its got such comfy beautiful colors and the best music. just makes you feel good playing it and it has puzzles that take some brains to figure out unlike your average skyrim puzzle.
Are we talking exclusively SP games or what?
Diablo 2 + LoD
Warcraft III + TFT
Titan Quest
Borderlands
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Red Alert 2
Max Payne 3
>>334795675
>so incomplete and rushed they forgot to add spellmaking (a feature that's been there since the beginning)
>>334795957
>Chaos Theory
a shame the pinnacle of stealth games is a decade old. Can anyone vouch if dishonored is any good?
>>334795957
>MP3
I like it, no a bad game but cutscenes EVERY 5 MINUTES and overall movie-ness do not make it anywhere as repayable as Payne 1 and 2 imo
>>334796146
It's ok but, I didn't like how the 'chaos' system punished you for finishing with high violence.
The enemies are assholes, they deserve to die.
That said killing shit in it is pretty awesome and can be fluid as fuck; see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-gNm_HKmEc
>>334795673
except that looks like shit
>>334793147
Fucking this. With tons of mods, Skyrim can be the game of your choice. Replaying it right now with Apocalypse spell package. Damn, feels right.
>>334794846
>>334794891
>>334794939
>Skyrim is shit
When will this meme die?
Oh sure, once the next TES game is released.
>>334796212
Yeah, the cutscenes were kind of annoying, but I feel like the tone and awesome gunplay made up for it. The guns felt like they had awesome impact, you felt like a badass and the game was stylish as fuck.
Also forgot to mention SWAT 4.
That game was brilliant.
>>334796797
Skyrim is shit though kid, Morrowind was 11/10 GOAT. Oblivion was pretty damn fun except for the main quest got to be tedious as hell still solid 9/10 and skyrim was a shitty memegame thats just so full of unfinished features and unreached potential that it falls flat as a 7/10 game which is still good but compared to oblivion and morrowind its a complete piece of shit.
TF2
>>334795957
>Games with endless replayabillity
>Splinter Cell
>Max Payne THREE
>>334796847
I liked the gameplay when you could avoid being forced into the cover system (is old school mode fun? I only found out about it after uninstalling) and great gunplay but you get so little of it. And the realistic animations with a fat and old max make for realistic disappointment sometimes.
>>334796902
>Morrowind was 11/10 GOAT.
Literally.
Really, nostalgiafags should be wiped out from the earth.
>>334796902
>Skyrim is shit though kid
>skyrim was a shitty memegame
>it falls flat as a 7/10 game which is still good
Never change, /v/
>>334796902
Someone needs to remember this, but related with Skyrim.
>>334797059
hold your tongue outlander. Skyrim was a fucking boring walk through the city park generic fucking loser highschool metalhead amon amarth tier faggotry. Since that probably describes you of course you would think its cool.
Morrowind had better quests, atmosphere, dungeons and landscape. Skyrim is for shitty children
>>334797117
8/10 is perfect for it considering Skyrim as a base game for modding because everybody knows without mods, the game gets just plain.
Skyrim still has more memorable characters than Fallout 4.
who can forget Karliah or Cicero?
the only person i care about in Fallout 4 is Piper. i can't name or don't care about anyone else, i can't even remember my own character's name.
>>334796974
Chaos theory was really really good
>>334797220
Sorry anon, but your opinion has been discarded and there is no way back.
Skyrim is superior to Morrowind in all fronts because of technology. Morrowind was a great game back then but not anymore and there is no mod able to bring it back.
End of story.
>inb4 Morrowind has more of everything than Skyrim
>Implying quantity is better than quality
>Muh mysticism
Yeah, really, no way.
>>334793147
Tod did say it would have infinite quests.
>>334797513
morrowind has mods to make it look pretty you retarded graphics whore, mods will never make skyrim exciting.
>>334797589
>Expecting real condensed and deep infinite quests
>Implying there is a game that does this effectively
Some people is destinated to not enjoy games.
Minecraft
i don't think either are particularly great games, but anyone in this thread who thinks oblivion is somehow a better game than skyrim has nostalgia goggles on
>>334797727
>Implying graphics is everything
There you go you poor faggot. You just put yourself in evidence. I was talking about technology in general. Seriously, for RPG, fuck graphics. No. Please. Enlighten me. Give me one ONE fucking mod that fix combat in Morrowind. One only.
I'm waiting.
>>334797513
Morrowind's better in most ways than Skyrim. Skyrim has its moments, however. Skyrim's a bit overrated in general but a bit underrated on /v/. It's a great game that a lot of people change opinions of only after having fun with it for dozens of hours. Maybe that's the flaw with infinite quests. Rather than ending on a satisfying note and putting the game down after having exhausted most of its content, people just keep playing and doing the same quests over and over again until they grow so bored and bitter that they retroactively decide that the game was always shit.
>>334797939
The combat in morrowind is fine once you gain a level or 2, the lack of stamina in the beginning is literally its only issue.
>>334797727
>mods will never make skyrim exciting.
What is Dragon Combat Overhaul?
Oh wait, i see, you were busy missing hits on pterodactyles.
>>334797939
It doesn't really need "fixing", but since you're partial to Skyrim's combat system this mod makes it work similarly, with skills determining damage instead of accuracy and a few additions like sprinting and controlled blocking:
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1513002-rel-oblivion-like-combat-tweaks-part-of-men-project/
>>334797953
I feel like once anyone reaches a certain amount of hours in a game they lose the right to call it shit
>>334797953
>The combat in morrowind is fine
I'm done here. Hope to find actually a smart person to debate with in the future.
>>334793147
you guys take the power of your imagination way to far.
>>334798119
You seem to have quoted the wrong post.
Let's just make this thread a porn mod thread.
The only thing Skyrim is good for.
>>334798274
any guides for installing them?
>>334798094
>It doesn't really need "fixing"
>Clicking to attack something and missing because muh dex+stamina and standing still avoiding attacks trusting on muh dex is better than just pointing and clicking and actually hitting what you want to hit and moving when necessary to avoid being hit
Just look how ridiculous you sound anon.
>>334798381
Open mouth, insert cock.
>>334798020
meant to >>334798119
>>334798227
Sorry for that anon. I'm posting in multiple threads.
>>334797193
Online minecraft.
>>334798720
>Online minecraft.
I bet it has dragons too.
My fucking god.
this is unsafe thread
MODDDDDDDDDDS
San Andreas
>>334798990
I think it does, I don't know I don't play it.
>>334799532
Yeah. I know. I have seen it.
Warband
FTLRE4
>>334798391
It doesn't need fixing because it isn't broken. It works fine. That doesn't mean it's good, and I certainly wouldn't call any Elder Scrolls combat system good, but you'll need to be more specific if you claim that it needs fixing. People have all sorts of ideas of what would "fix" the combat of any TES game. Whether it's copy/pasting Souls, Dark Messiah, M&B combat systems into the game, some elaborate new first-person system, or something as simple as animation tweaks or adjusting damage values.
>>334798990
>Skyrim
>Having Dragons
>>334799856
>It is well programmed.
>Thus it's fine
Just forget it anon.
>>334799856
I'll give you a simple example on how the combat in Skyrim would be far better than what it is now. Rolling to dodge, just like in dark souls. Not being able to roll if fully armored, or heavy chest armor at least. But talking about what it isn't is pointless.
>>334800282
>Wyverns
>Not a dragon type
A-anon...
>>334797193
Ok I'll bite.
>Open world
More like empty world
>Quest/Dungeons
Almost all games have some kind of objective/quest and levels/dungeons. The ones in Skyrim are notorious for being shit
>Custom housing
This was poorly implemented and requires an extra payment
>Random encounters
A lot of games have this too, is not really something to brag about, also some of them are absolute shit, like the thief that gives you a sword even if you are fighting a dragon thus traping you inside a dialogue-box or the bandits that try to mug the guy wearing fucking demon armor
>Supporting modding community
Now thats a selling point, but that wasn't part of the game at launch, Bethesda are just lucky theres so much people willing to fix their shit
>Guild/Factions
Become the archmage without casting a single spell, become a nightblade without stealing a single thing, etc. Also, you can join all of them at the same time.
Skyrim may have a lot of content but it's all barebones and poorly implemented, tried to be a Jack of all trades and failed hard at everything.
I would rather have only a couple of those well implemented than the failed abortion we call TES V: Skyrim
>>334800345
Nah, not just well-prpgrammed. I mean it really works. It does what it's supposed to do. People fight and the outcome of the battle is properly influenced by a variety of factors, and stats are correctly prioritized as the most influential factors. The player is given the control over them, they progress by deciding which are most important, and their character's strengths and weaknesses in combat can be accurately assessed by reading them. The gameplay you expect from any RPG combat system is all there.
If your point is that it isn't fun enough in its own right, then I am forced to agree with you. But that point equally applies to Morrowind and Skyrim, landing us back on square one.
>>334793147
You first OP.
Skyrim is a good game, at least by today's standards.
It's a bad Elder Scrolls game, though.
>>334794908
>first immortal game
>because of mods
no that title belongs to Doom
>>334801204
>More like empty world
Are you joking anon? tons of places and tons of random encounters. Yes, they repeat, but name another games that does encounter better.
>Almost all games have some kind of objective/quest and levels/dungeons. The ones in Skyrim are notorious for being shit
The ones in Skyrim are average at worst. Come on anon, put the meme down for a while and look at other RPGs have done with quests.
>Custom housing
Extra payment for what? anon, you must think on modded Skyrim. Really. Mods are better.
>A lot of games have this too, is not really something to brag about, also some of them are absolute shit, like the thief that gives you a sword even if you are fighting a dragon thus traping you inside a dialogue-box or the bandits that try to mug the guy wearing fucking demon armor
It's not like you can get out of the dialohue anytime you want, right? also yeah, like i said, random encounters get repeated. Like in all the other games with random encounters. Thanks cap.
>Now thats a selling point, but that wasn't part of the game at launch, Bethesda are just lucky theres so much people willing to fix their shit
What's that? Bethesda has a good point allowing people to mod but also giving tools but still you try to drag it down? just say it anon, get it out of your chest. You don't like Bethesda. Period.
>Become the archmage without casting a single spell, become a nightblade without stealing a single thing, etc. Also, you can join all of them at the same time.
>I try to do everything on a single gameplay
Who's the retarded here? Skyrim gives you freedom to do whatever you want no matter which side you have chosen. Holy shit. That goes directly to the cons. My fucking god.
Continuing...
>>334801204
>Supporting modding community
>Now thats a selling point, but that wasn't part of the game at launch, Bethesda are just lucky theres so much people willing to fix their shit
Let no-one forget that Bethesda tried to apply the Jewish doctrine to modding in a monumental, colossal failure of planning, foresight and community awareness. The only thing that surprised me about that is that the mindless consumers that are Bethesdrones woke up for a minute and caused an absolute shitstorm.
Bethesda's only mistake is letting free modding establish itself as a foundation of the game experience. Mark my words, screencap this if you want: Bethesda will never launch a free Fallout 4 Steam Workshop without monetisation of the mods. When GECK lands, the Steam workshop will be pay-to-mod from the start and any decent free mods will be cloned and spammed by "Bethesda Approved Modders"TM for real NEETbux
>>334802684
>Skyrim may have a lot of content but it's all barebones and poorly implemented, tried to be a Jack of all trades and failed hard at everything.
Failed hard in everything? really? i see you are still standing on the meme. Come on anon, there is no perfect game. Skyrim isn't perfect. At all. We got that, but it isn't garbage either, at all.
>I would rather have only a couple of those well implemented than the failed abortion we call TES V: Skyrim
I prefer to being able to cross a river and jump over boxes and moving beyond instead of great detailed corridors of absolutely nothing amazing. Thank you.
Breath of Fire 3
>>334796675
You look like shit
>>334802815
I'm talking about the game, not Bethesda. They are mediocre. No excuse. But saying that Skyrim is basically an abortion and a shitty game is retarded. Just say you don't like it. It's fine. I love it. It's my fav RPG of all time (modded of course) but i know it isn't a 10/10 like other says Morrowind is an 11/10
Get the fuck out of here i say.
>>334802863
pokemon ripoff*
>>334802043
Never the less it's a Bethesda game that's immortal no matter if it's Skyrim or Doom.
>>334793147
So, are there any spears in the game? Any mods to add spears and crossbows?
I pretty much refuse to play a medieval themed rpg without spears.
It's like playing volleyball without valleys.
>>334801204
>empty world
you literally cannot walk for 30 seconds in any direction without running into some more shit to do
>le dungeons are shit
the dungeons are good and don't repeat
did you use fast travel a lot? maybe you had the quest markers enabled, you'll miss like 99% of the games content if you don't explore
>>334803000
Skyrim on it's own merits is an average adventure game. It's milquetoast. It's unflavoured porridge. It's tap water. 5/10. It's the paragon of design by committee. It ticks all the boxes and not a single tick more. The game is as wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle.
>>334803041
>pokemon ripoff*
How you figure that?
>>334793147
bait thread ?
>>334803169
>Doom
>Bethesda game
does anyone actually think like this? yes, TECHNICALLY it's a bethesda game now, but they had zero involvement in what id did
and we're talking about Doom, not the abominations Bethesda has done that is Doom 3 & 4
>>334803187
Oh god i forgot about that. It's probably that people finds Skyrim crap because of the fast travel. That's one of the worst "additions" to a vast game like an TES game. Maybe that's my mistake, i assume everyone plays without using it.
>>334794846
If it's so bad - and this goes out to all the skyrim haters on /v/ - why does it have universal praise from critics and a constant spot in the steam top 10?
>>334801204
>"More like empty world"
>You find stuff to do in every fucking corner
>Quests are given without even asking for them
This faggot is just talking shit. Thanks for trying though.
>>334794846
fpbp
![1403625508758[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/j0ai0i2.jpg "1403625508758[1].jpg")
>>334803395
worst part is the dragons were probably made easy so that normies could blaze through the main quest with fast travel and not have difficulty
that made me so mad, I want to be raped by a big, hunky dragon dick
>>334803491
They are just retards that loves to jum into the meme war to fill their empty existence. That's all. Better to ignore that species.
>>334803570
Mods fix dragons though.
>Running doing my shit
>Dragon sound
>Prepare to battle
>Dragon lands just at my side
>I find myself flying away like a fucking doll.
Dragon combat overhaul is a blessing indeed. Also
>Dragon flies away suddenly
>Block to avoid stagger
I just love that shit.
>>334803176
go play mountain blade if you wanted real medial themed rpg
>>334794846
More like.
>play game for 10 minutes
>crash
>try again
>play for 15 minutes
>crash
>try agian
>play for 12 mintues
>crash
>give up
>uninstall
I wanted to like it, but it's boring dog shit without any mods. Piece of shit even crashes without any mods installed.
>>334803491
You don't get it, you imbecile. That's exactly WHY it's so bad.
>>334803491
>he lets other people dictate his tastes
Do you let strangers fuck your wife too?
>>334803846
>I don't know how to mod
You forgot to add that anon. I bet you could crash a ferrari and blame the car.
>>334803491
But anon, that's why people hate it in /v/
>>334803191
>I will not argue
>Instead i'll just say it's shit
Please anon keep throwing bullshit at me it hurt my feelings so bad. Ahahah what a loser.
/v/ has became a really shitty place to argue about stuff but even now and then i like to put the meme lords on their place.
>>334795216
LOL
>>334798354
Which one is your mom?
Ok, stop discussing about skyrim. Lets finish it like this: skyrim is an awesome game that you get bored in two days, you instal porn mods and its funny two days more until you need to masturbate.
>>334802684
>Are you joking anon? tons of places and tons of random encounters. Yes, they repeat, but name another games that does encounter better.
The content is repetitive as fuck, you get to do 10 quests in the same dungeon and get the same random encounter 15 times, wow, content. Even fucking Pokemon has better Random encounters because in Pokemon you can at least skip them instead of listening to boring shit and the combat system is better, also you can capture those little shits so thats a plus, you can't rectuit companions in the wild in Skyrim.
>The ones in Skyrim are average at worst. Come on anon, put [ ] RPGs have done with quests.
They are shit, Borderlands tier shit. You know what, at least in Borderlands you can get weapons or something, because most loot in Skyrim is useless unless you have a mod.
>Extra payment for what? anon, you must think on modded Skyrim. Really. Mods are better.
Mod will fix this, mods fix that, I'm talking about the official release only, the fact that some random guy made a better construction system than the devs is kind of sad.
>It's not like you can get out of the dialohue anytime you want, right? [] Like in all the other games with random encounters. Thanks cap.
Not all dialogue is skippable, although saving/loading skips all dialogue but it's unintended so I'm not counting it. Also, they could at least make bandits a little bit thougher or remove Thalmor patrols if you win the civil war with the Stormcloaks, shits is inmersion breaking.
>What's that? Bethesda has a good point allowing people to mod but also giving tools but still you try to drag it down? just say it anon, get it out of your chest. You don't like Bethesda. Period
And then they tried to jew it out along with Valve, you forgot already? Also, you are right, I don't like Bethesda games, maybe I'll play their games again once they get rid of the bugs and improve the erformance so cities can have more than 10 people without dropping to 10 fps
>>334805982
>Mod will fix this, mods fix that, I'm talking about the official release only
You just lost retard. Skyrim is mods. End of story. You can't think on it without them. Like i said before, Skyrim without mods is average. Just don't say the game is crap when it isn't, BECAUSE of mods.
>>334805982
>And then they tried to jew it out along with Valve, you forgot already? Also, you are right, I don't like Bethesda games, maybe I'll play their games again once they get rid of the bugs and improve the erformance so cities can have more than 10 people without dropping to 10 fps
I haven't forgot. Like i said before in another reply, Bethesda are mediocre. Lazy faggots. Totally agree, bur they did the base game. That's the best thing they have done, and they know, without mods, they are fucked. Oh yeah they know.
>>334796616
impressive
>ITT skyrimfags who can accept the faults in the game
>ITT other fags who can't accept the better parts of the game
Come on guys, you can't deny that Skyrim is shallow as fuck and many things aren't designed proper
See most draugr dungeons. The dwemer dungeons were better, Blackreach especially
But still the game was fun, there is a lot to explore, the biomes looked diverse. Autumnal birch forests, steppes, geothermal hot spots and brutal tundra.
And while this isn't really a great thing on Bethesda's account, skyrim owes a lot of its replayability to mods
>>334802684
>I try to do everything on a single gameplay
>Who's the retarded here? Skyrim gives you freedom to do whatever you want no matter which side you have chosen. Holy shit. That goes directly to the cons. My fucking god.
It makes no fucking sense you retarded faggot, whats the point of roleplaing if there are no repercussions for your choices? Their lazyness and stupidity is even more evident when you realize that all difficulty do is make enemies do more damage while crippling yours
>Failed hard in everything? really? i see you are still standing on the meme. Come on anon, there is no perfect game. Skyrim isn't perfect. At all. We got that, but it isn't garbage either, at all.
And your point is? The lack of deph and bad implementation is what makes Skyrim combat/magic/exploration/dungeons/dialogue/skillchecks/enemies/quests so bad. How is this a meme? What can you say to defend the game you like so much other than "It's not shit because my ass"
>I prefer to being able to cross a river and jump over boxes and moving beyond instead of great detailed corridors of absolutely nothing amazing. Thank you.
Thats a black-white fallacy, a game can mix exploration with a solid linear campaign without becoming the piece of shit Skyrim is. No matter how much you say "theres so much to do in Skyrim", 99% of the quest are still "go to X dungeon and kill/retrieve Y" and theres no way to avoid conflict. Skyrim is bland, repetitive, lacks depth and it's engine is made of caterpillars. It's entry level garbage of the worst kind, so yeah, enjoy eating shit you shit eating inbred bastard bull prepping Beth-drone
>>334805982
>and improve the erformance so cities can have more than 10 people without dropping to 10 fps
Name one ONE single game you faggot that allows people to get armor, weapons and stuff from npcs and showing the changes ingame, because that's the reason why there are so little people in towns and cities are so small. Every fucking npc has its own inventory. How many can the game take in a same place? well that depends on your rig. Callit at worst a technology limitation because no other game does this. At least a non Bethesda game of course.
>>334806778
The only good thing the game has is mods.
>>334806845
>And your point is? The lack of deph and bad implementation is what makes Skyrim combat/magic/exploration/dungeons/dialogue/skillchecks/enemies/quests so bad. How is this a meme? What can you say to defend the game you like so much other than "It's not shit because my ass"
>There is a game that does all this perfectly and its name is ...
Please complete the sentence.
>>334803776
Good god, that's cool
The only time dragons only gave me an issue was when I had three circle around at the same time and those serpentine bastards on solstheim
Holy shot those guys do a lot more damage than other dragons
>>334806961
You didn't even like Blackreach or the Dragonborn DLC?
>>334806845
>without becoming the piece of shit Skyrim is.
I stopped reading there. It's useless. You are just an autist that can't stand the flaws of a game over the whole experience. I bet you are one of those faggots that uses the fast travel system.
There is just no point. Skyrim is not a shitty game like other crap in where you can't go further because it happends that there is a fucking box, a car or a fence. Honestly, fuck off poor ignorant. I bet you can barely enjoy anything.
>>334793147
For those interested Enderal, the sequel to Nehrim comes out in June. No date for the English translation, but it could be pretty good.
http://sureai.net/games/enderal/?lang=en
>>334794846
skyrim isnt bad I just played over 666 hours of it and moved on :)
>>334806962
The old Fallout games
Dark Souls (Only skillchecks are int and faith for spells vendors tho)
System Shock 2, Bioshock to a lesser extent
HoM&M
Baldurs Gate
Planescape Torment (Combat is kind of bad)
Vampire the Masquerade
E. Y. E.
Borderlands
Old final fantasy games
Deus Ex
>>334797401
Fallout 4 was fucking trash and this is coming from someone who's enjoyed every Bethesda game made up until this point.
I wanted FO3: Cues Taken From NV Edition, not a Borderlands clone.
>>334803846
Bethesda games only get really buggy if you use auto-saves.
>>334807182
I'm sorry saying "X is shit" is triggering to you
I'll tag my shit/pomegranates next time :)
>>334807353
They do combat/magic/exploration/dungeons/dialogue/skillchecks/enemies/quests in a perfect way? Really?
No anon. Every game has its own flaws.
- Bioshock is linear as fuck but hey, it's all about the story, besides there is no skill system because there is no point on it, you just point and shoot.
- Dark Souls: Dodge, attack, rince and repeat. Seriously?
- HoM&M: You are comparing a rts game with an action RPG? wew i won't even dare to explain why this is wrong.
- Baldurs Gate: How is Baldur's Gate and other stategic RPG far superior than Skyrim? could you please elaborate? i'll give you a hint. Skyrim is about immersion, Baldur's Gate isn't.
- Planescape Torment (Combat is kind of bad): You are retard i see. We are discussing how these games are superior in any way to Skyrim and you put that shit there. I don't know how i have got to this point.
- Vampire the Masquerade/E. Y. E/Deus Ex: I haven't played it thus can't make a comment.
- Borderlands: What is an RPG? i wonder...
- Old final fantasy games: I love the classic Final Fantasy games, but perfect gameplay? are you fucking kidding me? everyone knows you don't play a FF gane for the gameplay but for the story, characters, world exploring and secrets.
So Vampire the Masquerade, E. Y. E and Deus Ex must be masterpieces, 10/10 and has not a single flaw related with combat/magic/exploration/dungeons/dialogue/skillchecks/enemies/quests. Holy god. Wow.
>>334806778
all dungeons except a few were unique and interesting, yeah they tend to be linear but so what? they're still fun
I never felt like I had done that exact thing before when going in a new dungeon
>>334793147
Quest-wise... I don't know. But modded Skyrim is one of the best looking games ever and it still keeps developing.
>>334809183
>>334803491
Most of those people haven't played the other TES games
Oblivion fans memed about it so hard at launch that other people thought it was the greatest shit compared to the linear shooter games they always play while Oblivion fans were just left with a bad taste in their mouth
Anyone?
I still play this shit on my phone during planes trips and shit.
>>334806845
>>Failed hard in everything? really? i see you are still standing on the meme. Come on anon, there is no perfect game. Skyrim isn't perfect. At all. We got that, but it isn't garbage either, at all.
Please tell me how is Skyrim fight system so bad?
- Using a bow is just aim, point and shoot. Seriously, what else are you looking for?
- Magic is consistent in terms of offensive and defense. Point where you want your fireball to land. Buff yourself or use a ward for protection. What else?
- Melee is posible one of the weak sides, but honestly, Morrowind far better than Skyrim? no fucking way because in Skyrim you are attacking what you are pointing at. That's a good thing imo.
>>334810226
Not him, but bows have no spread, it's a personal preference but I like it better as it is done in Mount and Blade. Your skill in archery determines how well you aim.
Magic in Skyrim looks cool and feels good. The only things that are bad are the fact that lots of fun and useful spells are gone and the strong spells in destruction are outclassed by the medium spells up until you get ridiculously OP enchanted gear for free spells
Melee is shit, and most like always will be
>>334810769
Yeah, and i agree, but saying Skyrim is shit is just wrong. I just wanted these anti-Skyrim faggots to get rekt. They talk about Skyrim like if it were the worst RPG ever made instead but i'm just saying it's not with good reasons, yet i'm still waiting for someone who mentions a game that does all these things correctly. And i'm still waiting.
>>334808984
Unique, fair enough
Interesting, meh
Most weren't that interesting, but then again, it's hard to make every dungeon interesting
In Oblivion many aren't interesting either, come to think of it, I can't really come up with many
The Old city or whatever it was called, the old Alyeid ruins underneath the Imperial City
Vilverin, but that is because it's the first Alyeid dungeon you will find
And well... fuck I can't think of more real interesting dungeons
In SI you had Xedillian which was amusing during the quest
>>334793147
Skyrim endless replayability? LOL, I rather spend time playing a good game instead of wasting time modding a mediocre game.
>>334811335
This whole thread is Bethdrones and Anti-Skyrim contrarians
Neither can accept that Skyrim is not pure shit, just bland nor that it is fun and not the second coming of Christ
It's an amusing game which can easily net you a couple hundred hours
> More than a thousand tries
>>334793147
Skyrim always keeps me occupied. I'm sure I've played near to 1000 hours between pc and xbox 360 and I always seem to have like a billion missions left to do. Good game.
>>334810226
Morrowind's melee was the same shit at its core, just with more stats and magic effects affecting evasion in additon to damage. I personally prefer the dice roll mechanics, especially because the actual hits have much more impact in Morrowind, both in terms of effectiveness and enemy reaction. However, I think Skyrim had some really cool perks and power attacks. That kind of stuff adds a level of interactivity and and tactics to combat that simply did not exist in Morrowind. I think moving in that direction, replacing most of the boring perks with more of those that add new abilities, is the right direction for TES combat going forward.
I just hope specialization becomes important again. The legendary system in Skyrim meant that every character played similarly after enough levels unless you forced arbitrary limits on yourself. When it comes to RPGs I think disadvantages, weaknesses, things your character can't do or can't do well, creates the most fun gameplay. They make you think from your character's perspective in all situations and make each playthrough distinct.
>>334811335
But Skyrim doesn't provide the things that I assume your image wanted
At least not in my opinion
The open world is solid
Every RPG game has quests and almost every has dungeons, so this is a non issue
Custom housing isn't in the base game, but that is a minor issue, just you wouldn't play Civ v vanilla when BNW is available. However it's still very bare bones and poorly done
Random encounters were few and far between, so I wouldn't count these.
Also I miss the old radiant AI, NPCs used to have scedules and a penchant for crime or not, in skyrim they have almost nothing, every day is the same and nothing really happens
They go to their store, they go to sleep, and repeat
Mods are great, the nexus of skyrim is by far and large the biggest and it's not without quality
Guilds/Factions, most RPGs have these, and those of skyrim weren't particularly interesting
All in all, especially thanks to mods, skyrim is still good for a lot of hours
>>334812415
mods will fix it
>>334812395
1000 hours
Billions of missions left to do
Should we tell him guys? Something tells me he will ever figure out on his own.
>>334796728
I never understood this. Why praise the game because mods make it better? Same goes for fallout. It can be good with mods, but certainly aren't without.
>>334812872
He praised modded Skyrim, not vanilla Skyrim.
>>334812698
They already do, at least for a lot of my complaints. For Morrowind I can get combos and more action-oriented combat and for Skyrim I have Requiem. I was just considering the games in their vanilla states and speculating about where Bethesda might take it in later games.
I just wished it had better sex mods. Sexlab is just fucking bad.
>>334813013
Then we can all agree that vanilla Skyrim at least from a gameplay standpoint, is shit?
>horrible leveling system
>dat awesome combat
>>334813341
I think from a gameplay standpoint all modern rpgs are shit, except souls games perhaps.
The only thing I dislike about it is how linear it is.
Doing the same quests again isn't fun.
Skyrim was pretty good up until Whiterun, then the illusion broke
>>334813493
Witcher 3?
Dragons dogma?
I haven't played them personally but I'm pretty confident they both do combat reasonably well.
>>334813852
Witcher 3 has zero build variety, clumsy movement, completely forced playstyle, it doesn't even have fucking shields or ranged weapons (the crossbow is a joke), the AI is dumb as fuck, and overall the combat is just casual button mashing.
Dragons Dogma has some really nice aspects, with cool animations, but it's also just full of damage sponges, button mashing and retarded anime skills.
>>334803491
Do you think COD is one of the greatest series of all time?
>>334812415
>dice roll mechanics
Then why doing the game with a "free camera" gameplay instead of an strategic-RPG kind? seriously, does it looks fun to you when you point at an enemy with a crossbow and fail the shot because your dex is low? really? you are in front of an enemy and swing with your sword but you miss 4/5 of the time while you see the fucking enemy in front of you standing and attacking you at this is suppossedly immersive and challenging?
Holy fuck.
>>334812681
>Skyrim doesn't provide
It DOES. Not in a perfect way, but i does offer it. Now that for some autistic idiots is garbage and the worst. Well, i'm not agree. It's average in all those things but then again, which other gamess offers all of that?
Rate my slut, cucks
>>334814667
>you are in front of an enemy and swing with your sword but you miss 4/5 of the time while you see the fucking enemy in front of you standing and attacking you
Skyrim took away all of that nonsense and thank to god for that.
>>334814115
if u button mash against groups in witcher ur liable to get fucked
still surprised u guys are still so butthurt a couple of months after the fact lol :D
this butthurt has been building up since withcer 1 tho lol so i understand why so much asssore
and dragons dogma is wonderful too, stop trying tobe such en edgy cum socket just to fit in with a bunch of losers on /v/ because ur soulz gaemz fell flat on their faec and mgsv cant win shit
>>334795608
>>334795675
Nah. You were right the first time.
>>334814914
Why the fuck there is no armpit hair mod yet?
>>334815071
>Skyrim took away all of that nonsense
Underage or?....
>>334815121
>if u button mash against groups in witcher ur liable to get fucked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkFqn1TMeH4
Witcher 3 is brainless casual shit for kitchy soap opera fans. The gameplay is abysmal.
>>334815473
terrible player
stop crying kid
>>334815397
RPG combat sucks dicks
skyrim is the first and only TES that has fun gameplay
>>334815870
Definitely underage.
MODS
Nethack, endless replayability, takes a whole calendar year on one character to do EVERYTHING.
>>334798381
Just make a Lover's Lab account, familia.
Then get the NetImmerseOverride and/or Race Menu, improved Ragdoll Physics, Xaz(?) Animation pack, Sexlab, and you're basically good to go.
From there, look into getting a UNP or CBBE female body replacer, Schlongs of Skyrim or Shape Atlas Men for your nude bodies, and then you can just get any sex mods that suit your interest.
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>>334815983
>someone doesn't like my 20 year old pen and paper gameplay
>must be underage
pic is you
>>334816187
shoo shoo underage
>>334816140
cancer please leave
>>334815870
>>334816187
>This fag
I don't care what your age is, Skyrim combat is almost identical to Oblivion and Morrowind, except instead of
>miss, hit, miss, miss, hit
It's
>hit, hit, hit, hit, hit
and every enemy takes more hits.
>>334815870
spells in morrowind and oblivion were pretty fun actually
skyrim is almost fallout 3 tier bad without mods, but admittedly you can do some nice things with mods
>>334816187
No, you're underage because you literally believe Skyrim is the first and only TES game to not have dnd style combat.
>>334814667
As for the free camera, I don't see why not. It works pretty well and integrates with all the other gameplay systems, leading to lots of cool possibilities especially when magic is involved. Moving to a whole new gameplay mode just for combat would be really shitty, and changing the entire game to isometric would be even worse, taking all the fun out of acrobatics, levitation, and the verticality of many structures and dungeons.
As for the poor accuracy because of my character's low weapon skill and agility, it makes perfect sense mechanically. It's shit visually because it looks like your enemy is just standing there, but they are in actuality dodging and parrying your attacks. This is why it looks at their agility and sanctuary effects instead of just the attacker's stats when calculating the outcome of each swing.
In a perfect world you would actually see your character's awkward low-skilled swings and your enemy's quick defensive reactions, but I'd rather keep the mechanics without the animations than simply remove the feature entirely to match the animations.
>>334809183
I don't know about best looking, but the whole travel aspect can be pretty comfy.
>100th attempt to get into Skyrim
>finally getting into it
>get to some main quest where I have to infiltrate some thalmor thing at a fancy party or whatever
>there's a courtyard full of them and it's pretty much impossible to sneak past them unless you're a stealth build
>impossible to take them all out because fuckers start flooding out of the buildings too
>can't go "welp i guess im under leveled for this shit so i better leave" because you're trapped in this area after a certain point in the quest
>re-load to earlier save
>everyone already aggro'd like they spotted me from before
>uninstall.exe
Fucking Bethesda
>>334793147
Dragon's Dogma is some good shit
>>334795518
Faggot souls has as much replayability as an amputee has arms
>>334817586
That's kind of ambiguous. Did the amputee have any arms amputated and, if so, how many arms did they have before the amputation?
