>Legion will release on August 30, 2016!
Are you ready for the WoW to be good again?
>Are you ready for the WoW to be good again?
So they finally did gave in and set up legacy realms?
Thank fucking god, it was about time.
>>334788738
WoW hasn't been good for 8 years, retard. It will never be good again, because the hacks at Blizzard have no idea what they're doing.
How many fucking times has this thread been made? Can you retards please fucking learn to report this shit? Look at the fucking archive for once in your life, or are you too new to know what that is?
>I-it's going to be different this time! ;_;
>PLEASE COME BACK
>>334789185
at least post the pie chart, this graph is bad and you should feel bad
>>334789032
You're too stupid to understand why you don't want it
>Blizzard: We don't have the code
>>334789340
does this help retard?
>Even Reckful and Sodapoppin, 2 of WoWs most viewed and sucessful PvPers have their streams say "We want vanilla servers"
>One of the Project leads of Vanilla WoW itself is on board with legacy servers
>Petition has 175k and soon 200,000 signatures which will be personally delivered to Mike from the Original WoW vanilla dev
>In the end, nothing will happen and blizzard will just ignore it all
Hows it feel knowing you supported a company every month with $ that in the end ultimately stabbed you in the back and sold out to Activisions whims.
>>334789403
jesus...
>>334788738
>Are you ready for the WoW to be good again?
Yes, but what does that have to do with Legion releasing? I don't see any correlation.
I bet this guy was fired after that
>>334788738
So fucking hyped
NOSTFAGS BTFO
>>334789185
>>334789403
>>334789554
DELETE THIS
Blizzard is ready too
They even made realms bigger!
As someone who didn't play WoW back in the day. Can someone tell me what was so special about Vanilla/TBC?
Played on Nostalrius once but got stopped playing once I reached Orgrimmar.
>>334789782
>I love sucking blizzards tainted activision cock when all the greats who made the game what it is have left
whatever floats your boat buddy. enjoy that 2 button rotation class.
>>334789859
It was a MMORPG
>>334789859
you don't get it and never will. go back to retail cata baby
>>334789862
>enjoy that 2 button rotation class.
Unlike Vanilla?
>ask someone when they started playing
>they say Cataclysm/MoP
A-are you ready for the WoW to be good again, guys?
>>334789996
Vanilla was one button, with a second one used very occasionally.
>>334788738
From the start of Siege of Orgrimmar (September 10 2013) to the beginning of Legion (August 30 2016) will be 1,085 days.
3 tiers in 3 years.
>>334789862
thank god that mage loving jew fucked off to riot, although entirely too late to have an impact
>>334790036
D E L E T E
T H I S
>>334789403
Missing Ruby Dragonshrine in that.
>>334790036
fug the li li
>>334790036lol they don't give a fuck anymore
>>334789859
Just the sense of wonderment. Every class was vastly different. Things were a lot harder. There was no dungeon finder or cross realm. So this meant you literally had to form bonds with people and that was great.
There wasn't raid finder. Which means if you didn't go out there and earn the gear and make friends. You didnt see the fun stuff and raiding was 20 man minimum. Molten core was 40 but you didn't actually need all them.
Fuck just to get geared to raid you had to do a 10 man. It was fucking hard.
>>334790025
I worked with a girl who got a tattoo of Illidan on her arm and I asked when she started playing and she said lich king and she said she was hardcore and didn't have 1 level 100. I told her I had 5 level 100 characters and her eyes got wide. Like how fucking casual can you be that you can't do the easiest fucking thing in the game. They literally hand you welfare gear that lasts till level 90 or 95 and fucking gives you like 50% xp. Jesus fuck.
>>334789996
>default filenames
Hello marketer.
>>334790036
>Blizzcucks waste 50€ on this shit and shill it on /v/ for free
Can't make this up
>>334789403
This graph is really pissing me off.
It's missing Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj for Vanilla, Tempest Keep for Burning Crusade, Ruby Sanctum for Wrath.
>>334790036
What kind of panda love/hate relationship is this?
The vocal neckbeards hate them, so they've made them part of the chore everyone will have to do regardless?
Like saying: "It's not part of the core game, but it is, so fuck you?"
Is Blizzard taking the mantra of Neocontrarianism or some shit?
>>334789859
Vanilla and TBC were actual MMOs. It was a world you explored. When you wanted to kill something, you walked over to it and entered the instance. There could be problems on the way. The enemies were simple things like dragons, making you feel like just one member of a gigantic faction. To kill a enemy faction leader was a big accomplishment.
Modern WoW is not an MMO. It's an online game with other people, but it's not a world. The solo content is too easy and you are considered a "hero" by the NPCs regardless. You can reach just about any corner of the map relatively easily, and normal enemies are no challenge. In vanilla WoW, even normal enemies could kill you if you weren't careful. Murlocs for example, they were a notorious meme as they often aggroed in packs. You were one man in a big big world.
>>334788738
I'll probably play it long enough to hit max level on at least 1 character. And probably at least do the artifact questline for most others. Should be worth the 50.
>>334790207
>Like how fucking casual can you be that you can't do the easiest fucking thing in the game.
These are the target audience for those level boosts when it only takes about 36 hours to level a fresh character to max. Also, heirlooms can last to max level.
https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhaime-legacy-server-among-world-of-warcraft-community
178,096 signatures so far. At 200K Mark Kern (the vanilla team lead) will deliver it to Mike Morhaime personally.
>>334790036
if you genuinely believe mission tables were the biggest and only problem with garrisons and wod you're a fucking retard honestly.
>>334789568
I don't give a shit about streamers at all, i really don't, i've never watched this sodapoppin guy once, but i did watch his recent video on blizzard and nostalrius.
I have to say i completely agree with everything he said, especially the whole transmog thing. Transmog is such a double edged sword, on one hand i love because being able to use whatever gear and weapons you want is awesome, who doesn't like that? But on the other hand you used to be able to, as long as you were familiar with the game, tell what people were wearing and how decent of a player they were based on that. You're in a BG and you instantly recognize that warrior is in full heroic tier gear with the best two hander in the game. You know he's going to hit hard as fuck. All of that just from a glance at him.
You can't do that shit anymore.
>>334788738
I'm stoked, but then again I'm a Blizzfag since the nineties.Pls rape my face
>>334788738
>WoW
>ever be good again
Are you a certified retard? Does the nurse ties your shoelaces in the morning?
>>334790368
Literally worse than goobergate fags.
>>334790368
>At 200K Mark Kern (the vanilla team lead) will deliver it to Mike Morhaime personally.
And get laughed at personally for not understanding what ARPU is.
>>334790360sodapoppinleveled to 100 and hit ilvl740 in under 8 hours just to show how broken the game's sense of progression is now
>making a nice thread about Legion, WoD, bull prepping, garrisons and black breeding
>Nostfags show up and shit all over it
EVER FUCKING TIME
STOP IT YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES
>>334790417
Learn to let go. I did, and things have gotten so much better.
OG Blizzard would have wanted that and would be happy for you.
>garrisons back
yeah, nah, fuck off
I lost interest when I seen the page of like 30 legendary's with retarded procs and skills.
>>334790521
Fuck, and I thought I did well for leveling atrollshadow priest.
Let me lay it out for you
Class halls and missions are absolutely mandatory, no exceptions. You have to do them to make your relic viable for either PvE or PvP, and they are so strikingly similar to garrison missions that gaining a troop for your class hall currently prompts the message "Garrison Follower Gained!"
On top of this, they are filled with arbitrary wait times. Getting class hall upgrades can take 14 days of real time EACH (most of them take about 7 days) of waiting before you can play the actual game
World of Warcraft
>>334788738
>Are you ready for the WoW to be good again?
Its not going to be good again, its going to have content again. Theres a difference.
>>334789832
Whats the point of making realms bigger if you cant see anyone on it? So much phasing, CRZ and LFG shit its ruined the MMO in an MMO.
>>334788738
>tfw still enjoying WoW even today
I have to make an effort to have fun though. I'm currently 13/13 mythic, which means my character is extremely well geared, and WoD gear scaling is fucked up beyond anything so my character is incredibly stronger than anyone who only does heroics.
So once a week, usually on Sundays I find a casual guild that needs a few more people for their Norma run progression and uses TS for communication. I join their group, carry their shit and have fun chatting with them on TS. These casuals are usually a lot more fun to play with, because they play to have fun. Healing them is also a lot harder because they're absolutely terrible at the game and doesn't know the concept of moving out of stuff.
I wouldn't want a group like that for my main progression, but once or twice a week for the sake of having some fun is great.
>>334790473
>as bad as goobergate
Nothing is as bad as goobergate, these people just want their server back
This expo will be the one r-right?
>>334790521
>getting carried to 740
>>334790521
>sodapoppin leveled to 100 and hit ilvl740 in under 8 hours just to show how broken the game's sense of progression is now
the retarded thing is that he actually leveled
reckful had a free 100 and full PVP gear from Champ tokens in about 8 minutes
>>334789568
I don't really care. I don't want vanilla servers and havent wanted them since Vanilla ended. I want new content, not old content stuck in permanent stasis.
I can not, and will not, ever understand how people can play the exact same game state for a decade straight.
>>334790705
Make a new one that isn't in France.
>>334790658
i've been wanting to try and drag myself into a mythic clear at some point but i'm not entirely sure if i can make it before pre-patch
pls send help ;_;
>>334790173
Is that supposed to be froppy? I can't tell. Also yes, we need to sexualize the lili.
>>334790705
Despite being 8/8 T2 on Nost with ZG tiger, I don't give a fuck about getting it back. I just want offical vanilla realms and will gladly pay for them.
>>334790246
He didn't play back then so he doesn't know about them. He's a falseflag
WHOS HYPED FOR MORE CUT CONTENT AND ONCE A YEAR PATCHES?!?!?
RIP in peace Thal'Dranath. We hardly knew ye.
I'm pretty sure one of the reasons people even want vanilla servers is so that they can go to a simpler time without so much useless bloat and more sharp focus on gameplay.
I don't think it would be the end of the world if Blizz just bit the bullet and tried to make a WoW 2.0. Maybe use the same setting and name maybe not.
They'd get a ton of attention from both people playing and those who left the game ages ago.
But seeing what they did to Overwatch and D3 I'm not sure they are capable of making great games again. Maybe they never were and I just grew up.
>>334789568
>streamers
>>334790246
>It's missing Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj for Vanilla, Tempest Keep for Burning Crusade
Are you shitting me or something? TK was in the release version and AQ20 was released together with aq40
>>334791046
>"I'm cucking myself! Y-you mad yet? HAH! I BET YOU ARE!"
>>334791060
will be released in the 7.1
>>334791060
>Dalaran
Again with this shit? Are they that creatively bankrupt? What's next, they rez Arthas?
>>334789032
You think you want it but you don't really know what look more like do
already unsubbed and got legion refunded
and they managed to send my 'going away gift mail' to a different battle net account with no active subscriptions since wrath
>>334791218
You can bet your balls on it.
>Blizzard makes servers for each separate game version/expansion they ever had
Where do you go?
I'm going TBC for Karazhan and WotLK for Ulduar.
>>334788738
But anon it was never good
>>334791060
>circular continent with an island as patch content
3 expansions in a row now
why is it so hard to get the new content locations fucking right?
>>334791378
Vanilla all the way
BC after
Wotlk in the very end before rinse and repeat
>>334791084
>I'm pretty sure one of the reasons people even want vanilla servers is so that they can go to a simpler time without so much useless bloat and more sharp focus on gameplay.
I never played on Nost but I truly do see the appeal of it. Servers used to mean something. The game used to be an MMO and you had to be social to get anywhere. You learned to make friends and used teamwork to accomplish these tasks. If you were a particularly good player (or just a healer lol) a lot of people would know your name. Your server mattered, and servers were like large communities.
CRZ, LFR, and LFG has fractured that. Players are now faceless. Theres no social stigma or repercussions for being a dick. Those people you queue with dont matter because you wont ever see them again. Your social contract begins and ends with either pugging for PvP in trade chat, or filling out an app on some guild website.
What happened to this game?
>>334791218
The DK questline literally involved them ressing 4 new horsemen to lead shit against the legion. Big time lore characters too. Its actually pretty badass.
Every class is doing shit like that.
>>334791209
Remember when Tanaan was a launch day zone?
>>334791532
I remember when Farallon was a content patch and Grom Hellscream was promised to be a final boss
>>334791498
>Every class is doing shit like that.
Monks don't
Fucking worst class quests
>>334791631
Is it wrong that I was happy Grom wasn't a boss and it was a bunch of legion and some fel orcs instead? I REALLY didn't want another SoO.
>tfw gonna play Legion regardless of what /v/ thinks
Did somebody say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?
>>334788738
didn't we kill illidan
why is he here
are we in 2007
>>334791631
HFC is so fucked. You go in there, Smash some orcs in a raid that looks like a green version of siege of orgrimmar with demon cum everywhere, find Grommash Hellscream, the badass savior of the horde being tortured and then you kill archimonde and now hes suddenly the hero of Draenor and absolved of his genocide and wiping out half the continent.
>>334791697
Sorry, every class that people actually play are getting shit like that.
>>334791632
It was dumb both then and now. Also laughable that your "highlights" come from WotLK.
>>334791737
Oh boy, you sure showed them! Guess all the people are hella mad because you eat shit in front of everybody.
>>334788738
You're supposed to post pandas
>>334791813
Delicious tears.
>>334791632
10/10
>>334791794
>Also laughable that your "highlights" come from WotLK.
all those screenshots on the left are from Vanilla, and on the right is MoP
>>334789782
its like the zerg of OP deathknights again now with dh
>>334791461
Whoever made this has no clue about how bad WotLK fucked everything.
Naxx 2.0 and Crusader's Coliseum were the first 2 nails in the proverbial coffin. I saw my entire guild collapse around it.
ahahahahahahaha blizzard is handing out artifact weapons legendary fucking gear to get people to come back hahahahahahahaha. this game is so dead
>>334791632
Could you PLEASE delete this?
>>334791498
It makes no sense and they are throwing any shit they can in to get people back.
Illidan, Sylvanas, you name it they are throwing it the fuck in there.
lol theres people still defending wow wtf
It will still be kinda nice for 2-3 months post release right? I might throw some money at it just for that.
>>334792063
How does it not make sense? The Legion are literally coming in full hog. Its the biggest deal since Warcraft 3. Everyone is going all out.
>>334790557
I've played WoW since BC this game has gone to shit, you shouldn't be happy playing it anymore, you think you like it but you don't.
>>334792149
I hope so desu
>>334792149
All the expacs are. Should be worth leveling to max level at least once. Past that, I guess it depends on how the world quests, new mythic dungeons and everyone else work out.
>level 100 trial account
>>334789832
>"hey jim, our servers are getting empty, we need some damage control before shit hit the fan, how do we pretend to have a lot of players left?"
>"I got this"
After almost a year of Hellfire Citadel so far I'm already sick of demons. Not so hype for Legion...
>>334791498
lol bro the 4 horsemen are literally nothing more than garrison followers
I might play this for a few weeks just to laugh at all the no-lifers that can no longer rely on their equipment to carry them through raiding and pvp. It's always funny to see how shit some people that play 24/7 really are.
>>334792149
>not waiting 4 months for the inevitable 50% off christmas sale
reinforce bad behavior. go ahead and give them your shekels at launch. i'm sure they'll learn something THIS time...!
>>334792342
This. Blizzard needs to stop using the last patch as a basis for the next expansion, it leads to burnout with theme overdose.
>>334792154
>Everyone is going all out.
aka blizzard employees are going all out in trying to bring people back by throwing in any important lore characters they can
>>334792286
my name is dave asshole and we di-- er
disregard this and keep scrolling
>>334792423
Yeah sure, I'll start playing when everyone else is already bored and gone. Great logic you fucking poorfag.
>>334792436
I don't know how after ten years people are still obsessed with making posts like these.
Blizzard just should make Vanilla servers like seasons in Diablo 3. Around 2 years for one season, then everyone starts from the scratch.
>>334792465
It takes 6 months minimum to bleed off subs. You're just making excuses to be a degenerate shill.
>>334792556
No, you're making excuses for not being able to afford basic shit. Get a job.
>>334792429
I don't remember any deathwings in wotlk or pandas in cata.
>>334789832
My server was always med/high until they did this. the problem is that they should have also merged servers, like actually merged and not pussyfoot around it, and cut some of the dead realms. No doubt it would also be spun into a negative light when announced though.
>>334792342
>>334792429
There's barely any Legion in Legion though lol
Just look at this, hon much Legion influence do you see?
https://youtu.be/GL4p_LIkheg
>>334791218
Arthas isn't dead his soul is in superhell right now.
I cancelled my preorder when I found out that garrisons were not only back, but even more mandatory, and filled with wait times. It's just another facebook skinner box with arbitrary waiting to suck up as much sub time as possible without producing meaningful content.
It's absurd and pathetic how badly activision mangles their games.
>>334792686
I don't really see the point of merging realms. The current connected realms are effectively the same thing with no downside.
>>334791632
DELETE THIS
>>334788738
You know how when indians post we say POO LOO..
When Blizz drones post, I'm just going to say Vanilla WoW.
So:
Vanilla.
>>334792713
Fuck, I thought that was the zone's actual music for a bit there. Oh well. Hopefully Russel Brower will come up with something good instead, he doesn't ever disappoint.
>>334792894
honest question: did you play wod at all?
>>334792929
>CRZ has no downside
You can't form guilds with CRZ people and CRZ typically isn't active in current expansion zones.
It exists only to force people on dead servers to have more competition for rares.
>>334792713
>braining back the "vikings".
why?
>>334789859
Vanilla/TBC happened during a time when the internet couldn't provide players every single answer to a game. The world was fresh, exciting and FUCKING HUGE. People played Nost so that they could experience that nostalgia with a community that craved the same thing.
The game was very rough around the edges though. Modern WoW in contrast is objectively better at almost everything the old versions tried to accomplish. Most of the bitching you can currently hear over the Nost shutdown is made by literal teenagers too young to understand why the early eras of WoW were such a storm and why they will never work again.
>>334792713
dude is that a warrior themed zone?
Does it blow anyones mind that they cant put out any fucking content? Supposedly they have the biggest team ever and after years of development, somehow the game has less content than when it started.
>>334788738
>WoW
>Good
Pick one
>>334793047
CRZ is not the same as connected realms dumbass. Connected realms ARE merged realms for all intents and purposes and has none of those problems CRZ has.
>>334793024
>You know how when indians post we say POO LOO..
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>334793172
Its a /pol/ meme.
>>334791794
>Also laughable that your "highlights" come from WotLK.
You're an idiot
None of those are from wotlk
>>334793080
I didn't even notice a single new skeleton in WoD, every single thing I could see reused some model animations
When you play some AAA game with all top of the line new graphics and animations, then go back to fucking WoW it's insane how badly it looks
>>334792929
LOL.
You should work for blizzard, youl'l get along fine there with senior management.
Seriously though... Found the cata baby.
I'll still play WoW since my favorite MMO is even shittier
>>334793080
By "largest team ever" they probably meant "largest group of clueless fucking interns."
They diverted all their talent onto other games and many of the veterans retired.
>>334793025
Warcraft music is usually good desu
>>334793049
>>334793076
Theyre doing more Vrykul lore
Don't wanna sound like a complete shill but the Broken Isles looks absolutely amazing desu
>Valsharah
https://youtu.be/sphcyUjh5lQ
>Highmountain
https://youtu.be/372rD6GBIzA
>Azsuna
https://youtu.be/kZGvi8QKhmQ
I challenge you to find any Legion influence whatsoever
>>334793263
Or hell, even Blizzard's other games make WoW look like a fucking joke graphically. Overwatch and SC2 both make WoD look like a PS2 game.
>>334793267
wut
>>334793042
Yes, and I hated it. I was hoping legion would be different
>>334789403
The fact that WoD really did skip out on a raid tier is equally disgusting and impressive.
>>334792894
how did you go about getting a refund?
Its over boys wow will literally never EVER be good again. One of my favorite games of all times to play with my friends and its fucking gone to shit!!
>you will never sit on top of org bank offering lockpicks
>you will never feel that tight nit community servers once had before lfg and cross server shit
>you will never race to quickly login to your account before that dragon roars and fucking blows your ears off on the Wotlk login screen
>you will never meet cool as fuck people in random dungeons again because nobody talks anymore and just races to the end just to que again
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
>>334793049
>why?
because they know most of current players started in wotlk, where vrykuls appeared
>>334788738
>they are rushing another release that quick
>the end of WoW is nigh
>>334793693
Go to battle.net support, under recent activity select your legion preorder and pick "contact us"
You can fill out a ticket to get a refund, they'll usually oblige (blizzard is surprisingly good about refunds). If you used your level 100 boost, that character will get locked/deleted.
>>334793518
if you genuinely believe mission tables are why the garrisons are awful then i don't believe you've played much
the biggest issue is that they made professions useless on top of trashcanning the economy by vomiting gold everywhere at everyone for minimal effort on top of being ridiculously rng based for absolutely everything
i honestly think 1 mission table with a low follower count is perfectly fine, it's everything else attached to garrisons that made them shit (fuck shipyards too)
>>334793684
Cata skipped out on a raid tier too.
>>334793684
What? You think garrisons just developed themselves? Those resources had to come from somewhere. Order Halls are only worth 4 dungeons and half a raid tier, you're getting the deal here goyim!
>>334793823
I wouldn't mind the new garrisons if they weren't de-facto mandatory and weren't just arbitrary wait times: the "content"
They could have done so much potential shit with class halls to make engaging missions but they used the fucking facebook game again
>>334793851
?
Vanilla 3 raid tier and one 2,5
BC 3 raid tiers and one 3,5
Wotlk 3 raid tiers
Cata 3 raid tiers
Mop 3 raid tiers
WoD 2 raid tiers
>>334793851
>tfw you will never experience Cata as it first was intended
RIP WotA and Abyssal Maw
>>334793851
>tfw you'll never raid abyssal maw, and instead got to raid Rehash Soul for a year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18kABauecpM
>>334793456
the final zone?
>>334793925
as far as i can see you're still going out in the world and doing shit with your followers, but i can see why everyone's blindly hating on it because they think the rest of the garrisons are attached too
another major issue is gear handouts, i can go do some rgbs and get a free ilvl700 piece for any victory in any bg and it has better stats than i700 pve gear for pve, it's fucking stupid
honestly if legion sucks wow will probably drop to 6digit sub numbers on the tail end of it
>>334793963
The Vashjir raid and War of the Ancients raid were scrapped because Ragnaros needed legs.
>>334789403
Jesus fuck I was so excited to do Hellfire when it came out, mostly because it was something to do. It's pretty god awful.
>>334790410
Yeah, now you have to watch him and see if he's good or bad. What a travesty.
>>334794106
That was some fun shitposting
>>334789832
Out of all the valid points against blizzard, this one isn't a valid point. They actually DID make more room.
>illidan
>again
>>334790036
>Taran Zhu
I thought he was busy being useless in Pandaria
>blizzdrones who fell for WoD marketing and "Outland 2.0" WOW IS BACK meme got screwed by 1 patch and literally the least content the games ever had
>they are already being tricked and are buying Legion
>mfw recently the garrison legion stuff surfaced on the legion beta and WoWdrones are furious but will take it up the ass and buy it anyways
hahahaHAHAHA yes blizzard cuck buy legion, it will save WoW we promise you!
If I have a level 90 boost and I don't use it, does it become a level 100 boost?
YOU THINK YOU DO
BUT YOU DONT
>>334794352
No. It stays there until you use it as a level 90 boost. Level 100 boost is something different.
>>334790368
Mike Morhaime won't read it unless it's covered in solid gold. Petitions are the most hilariously fucking stupid things.
One out of a billion works and suddenly every fucking idiot thinks that he and every idiot in a billion mile radius banding together to sign shit under meme names will change something.
>>334794049
holy shit I've never seen this goddamn I am so mad we got firelands.
Im sick of fire, steel and orcs. HFC Is just a pallet swap for SoO.
>>334794175
you mean glance at his hp pool
>>334794056
Can't find a good video of Suramar and Broken Shore except for Blizzcon shit but here's Mardum
https://youtu.be/QLhT3pZRI60
>>334790285
That's the monk class hall/Garrison.
>>334790628
I never understood this phasing shit. I played plenty of times, and people keep wording it like phasing was literally everywhere. It wasn't. And 90% of the time when there was phasing it was only when you were being introduced to an area.
>>334794394
Blizzard THINKS they want my money, but they don't.
It's funny how the people who say they hate WoW with a passion and hate Blizzard, still clutter up every WoW thread.
Is this like Stockholm syndrome or a you guys crack addicts waiting for the fix?
>>334794106
>>334794225
Ragnaros was one of the best fights ever though
>>334794225
Do I dump what I have?
>>334793725
>you will never come home, start up your PC and be greeted by the best login screen ever made
>>334791632
Man I enjoyed pet battling for like a week after it came out. It was, and still is, just a side novelty. Hardly worth a "lol look at how bad it's got now" chart.
>>334794478
I see you're mom made it into WoW
>>334794521
your money doesn't matter when there's at least 4 million suckers lining up for legion
>>334794520
its an enchanced single player questing storytelling tool.
>>334794682
Yup. Comparable with the Lich King in terms of difficulty.
>>334794858
rather 4 million than 10 million
Why Legion will save WoW!
1.) Outland/Northrend Melting Pot!
This is probably my single favorite prospect about this expansion; look at these new zones and the enemies. We'll be fighting the powerful Legion, and adventuring through these beautiful WOTLK/BC/Vanilla-like zones! No more adventuring in Pandaland, or in space!
Look at these places! We're finally back home! Back in the world we know and love! It's like the rebirth of Teldrassil, Howling Fjord, Grizzly Hills, and Uldum (maybe?) all in one giant continent! We'll be adventuring in some of the most beautiful areas WoW has to offer.
2.) New PvP System
PvP'ers and PvE'ers rejoice! We will finally see the closest thing to a balanced World of Warcraft ever! To those who don't understand, the choice for Blizzard to seperate PvP/PvE abilities and passives will mean that we're not gonna have any more butterfly effect changes!
For example; a warlock gets a buff to Drain Soul so he can compete in PvE dps. However, warlocks were doing extremely well in PvP so far, and this Drain Soul buff will empower them more! Even though this makes PvE more balanced, the Warlock will be annihilating people in PvP!
Luckily, if a change needs to be made to PvP, it can happen without interfering with PvE. Anyone, especially in the PvP community, will understand why this is a brilliant idea. In addition, the new PvP talent tree will give more options and diversity to each different player in PvP instances!
Blizzard is also implementing a new system in which you can prestige after obtaining enough honor. These prestiges will unlock several VANITY rewards, but completely reset your PvP talent tree. This system awards players that love doing BG's for fun, and can do nothing with their honor! There is finally another reason for players that love battlegrounds to do them for fun!
>>334788738
hide schill posts, three days running. Disgusting
>>334794892
3.) Artifacts
The addition of Artifact Weapons is a concept that took us all by surprise. However, this system only means more customization, and more reason to get us out into the World!
To power up your artifact, you'll have to obtain various sigils/runes throughout the new expansion. This allows for more customization options for your character, as each different sigil/rune will provide a different effect for your character/weapon/abilities. It's like a customizable talent tree for your weapon.
You can also bet that in order to obtain these runes/sigils/different weapon skins, you'll have to complete some tasks out in the world. This will finally give us a reason to get out of the city/hall to experience the world, and get rewarded for it! This gives us another thing to work for, outside of raiding or arenas/bg's.
THEORY: 4.) Production Time
One of the many reasons I believe this expansion will save WoW is the time it has spent in production. One of my theories is that WoD was nothing but a filler expansion; a mega-patch to cross us between MoP and Legion. I also believe WoD was a set up for Legion, as it offered MANY quality of life things (BG strongboxes, bag sorting, toy box; the small things add up). WoD definitely did a good job of making WoW feel a lot less outdated, and I think that's what they wanted to set up for Legion.
My theory is that Legion WILL be WoW 2. WoD was the perfect set up with the many quality of life increases, UI additions, and 2015 character models. Legion will feel a lot more modern and referbished because of WoD. I believe WoD was the "gateway" per se to legion, and that MoP/Legion will make WoW feel like 2 entirely different games.
I also think that Legion spent a lot of time in development. I believe that part of the reason for the content lacks of WoD was because of the background production of the many new features of Legion.
>>334794892
5.) Order Halls & Follower Missions
The new features of rder halls and the new follower missions will accomplish two tasks:
- Make your class feel more "exclusive"
- Give you a reason to head out into the world
Let me elaborate. Order Halls will be a little clubhouse for those that share your same class. This means that all the paladins can preen themselves in their little hideout, and all the druids can tell their druid puns in their secret area. We will finally feel IMPORTANT for playing a specific class. I mean, we get a freaking area SPECIFICALLY devoted to US. No one but US can come in. It's pretty cool stuff.
And the new "follower" missions? These isnt gonna be your facebook game simulator. It'll be LIKE garrison missions, and still provide that offline progression. Wake up, send your champions (the new "followers") on missions, go to work. But here's the catch; you work 9 to 5, come back home, get back on WoW, and these champions have brought you back some information on an enemy hideout they spotted while taking out an important target. Now you and your champions must team up and brave through this hideout.
Not only does this new system provide offline progression, but it will also give you ANOTHER reason to get out in the world again!
6.) New Class
This one will be pretty brief (after all, it's a no brainer). Bottom line, the new class (Demon Hunter) will potentially usher in a new crowd, or re-introduce some retired WoW vets to the game. Perhaps you tried the game and none of the classes fancied ya? Well here's another one, come check it out! Or maybe you retired back in BC, and you can remember how cool Demon Hunters were. Well, with the purchase of this new expansion, YOU can be one!
It will also provide an alternative for some existing players. Perhaps you were getting bored with the 11 other classes because you claim you've already "mastered" them? Now you can try another one!
>>334794892
7.) Class Identity
I touched on this earlier with Order Halls, so again, I'm gonna keep it brief. In short, we can now feel more "exclusive." With artifacts, we can now wield a weapon that NO OTHER specialization can. This is OUR weapon.
And about Order Halls? This will be OUR chunk of Azeroth. Our little clubhouse. No one else can come here besides our kind. We can finally feel more significant for playing our class.
8.) Spec Diversity
This is long overdue. Basically, spec diversity means triple dps specced classes can now feel like "new" classes for each spec. A great example would be hunter (probably the most noted).
Right now -> MM = Ranged DPS with a pet (unless you choose lone wolf)
SV = Ranged DPS with a pet
BM = Ranged DPS with a pet
They all sound pretty similar, dont they? How about after the expansion? (assuming Blizzard follows their current plans)
MM = Ranged DPS with NO pet
SV = Melee DPS with a pet
BM = Ranged DPS with a pet
This gives 2 more gameplay options to hunters. Perhaps you want to be the ranger that focuses more on his weapon than a companion? Try MM. Want to be the rugged tracker that takes inspiration from his pet, and fights up close, mimicing the pet's attacks and fighting? Try survival. How about the opposite? Maybe you want to stay in the back and command your pet, while offering ranged support to it? Try BM.
>>334791218
>arthas
i was saying this shit to my friends earlier too. you know its going to happen.
i really hope they just kill WoW after that because they obviously can't fucking handle it anymore.
make a warcraft 4 and let community mods be a thing again, bnet was fucking glorious.
>>334788738
>garrisons 2.0 and making every player into even more of a special snowflake
>making WoW good again
>>334794892
9.) A new main City
If you haven't heard, Dalaran will be the NEW main city of the expansion! Hooray! This gives the playerbase a hub, rather than just a secluded little camp that is entirely composed of you and some npcs. This will finally make the game feel more like an MMORPG than an RPG. It makes the expansion feel more populated and alive when you can go back to an area, and KNOW there will always be other heroes there (of both horde and alliance). I think it's also safe to assume that Horde will get their own section and Alliance will get theirs too, like it was in Wrath of the Lich King. This way, we have a sanctuary, but also a faction exclusive spot in our new main city; we get the best of both worlds.
10.) Emerald Dream
This one I feel is also quite obvious, so I'll keep it brief. Since we toppled the four dragons gaurding the portals in vanilla to get our rings, we've always wondered what was on the other side. Now's the time. We finally get to venture into the Emerald Dream, and help cleanse the nightmare! It's all of the glory of the Emerald Dream, compiled into ONE RAID! LFR heroes and harcore raiders alike, rejoice! We all get to experience the glory of one of the most beautiful, majestic areas in WoW.
Also, why not a zone you might ask? Well, I'm actually pretty surprised this isnt an endgame zone like Tanaan Jungle. Blizzard just sees it fit as a zone. However, I'm VERY happy it's not a leveling zone, that we'll experience once and never touch again
>>334788738
WoW was never good
Blizzard was better before Warcraft 3 was released.
After Warcraft 3 was Diablo 3, SC2, and WoW. All shit compared to the stuff they used to make.
>>334788738
>good
lel
>>334794889
my bad, 4 million about two weeks in, 12 million on launch
>>334794031
I quit after Cata because of this and I'm still pissed about what Blizzard did with that xpac. The Blizzcon when they announced Cata was nothing but hype. A War of the Ancients raid? Fuck yes!
But no. Fuck you Blizz for giving up on it not even halfway through and instead giving us nothing but garbage. You never even directly fight Deathwing either.
>>334789185
Why does Vanilla start out at x.1? Shouldn't every entry but Vanilla start at x.1?
If you want to have a good laugh, read this thread about possible garrions in legion over at the official forums. You get more rage & shilling than here.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742889828?page=10#195
>>334795080
a melee hunter? how does that even work?
Reminder that "You're THE hero" stories have no place in MMOs and does nothing but ruin them.
>>334795094
hes a good goy isnt he Rosenzweig?
>>334795276
MC wasnt released until 1.1
>>334795353
We dont need your kind here.
>>334792713
how fucking bland
>>334795417
>tfw Nightfall hunter
Was dank
>>334795080
>Perhaps you want to be the ranger that focuses more on his weapon than a companion? Try MM. Want to be the rugged tracker that takes inspiration from his pet, and fights up close, mimicing the pet's attacks and fighting? Try survival. How about the opposite? Maybe you want to stay in the back and command your pet, while offering ranged support to it? Try BM.
>play the way we want you to play or don't play at all
new class changes are shit boring 4 button rotations like always.
>>334795339
>We understand that many players are unhappy with garrisons, and in particular with the prominence of follower missions in Warlords of Draenor. We're certainly not sitting around, saying to ourselves, "Wow, everyone loves managing followers and doing missions; let's just copy/paste this feature into our next expansion for an easy win!"
>But at the same time, there are people who do enjoy the mission minigame, and there are some positive elements, such as a bit of offline progression, and the fun of looking forward to a reward waiting for you when you get home and log in. Not all aspects of the game are intended to appeal to all players - that's part of the challenge of creating a single game that is played by such a diverse audience with different preferences and playstyles. But while garrison followers and missions were a substantial portion of the content in Warlords, Order Hall missions are probably more like 3% of Legion.
YOU LITERALLY CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>>334795408
I miss just being a soldier for the Alliance. I don't want to be the fucking chosen one or whatever - I just want to adventure and explore a new world, not be the focus of it.
God dammit, Blizzard. It's like they completely forgot what made their games good.
>>334790405
THIS
>>334795684
>positive elements, such as a bit of offline progression
>in a fucking MMO
fucking faggots, fuck this company
>>334795684
>offline progression
we play their game to play their game, not have "offline progression". got damn it blizzard you fucking idiots. i could do a better job than this guy.
>>334795684
>We understand
>But at the same time
Literally WE THINK WE UNDERSTAND BUT ACTUALLY WE DON'T.
>>334788738
FUCK OFF BLIZZARD
>>334795684
I don't care about those facebook missions, let them be in the game for people who want them, but STOP MAKING THEM FUCKING MANDATORY FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO PLAY THE GAME
>>334790405
>if you genuinely believe mandatory mission tables were the biggest and only mandatory problem with mandatory garrisons and wod you're a fucking retard who never got their mandatory legendary ring
>>334788738
>farm simulator with no content
pass
>>334788738
I cancelled my sub just now
Wow that was a weird feeling after 10 years, I feel free
I can believe how good that felt, I should have done it years ago.
WoD was a fucking disaster, like MoP and Cata before it. I'm not prepared to part with my money anymore for the actually shitfest that will be legion. Scum-bag blizzard
(I'll buy overwatch instead, fuk)
>>334793080
WoD followed the Cata strat, which is: massive sub drop means pull support from current expac and put it on the next one. Cata bombed so hard it was ridiculous, so they dropped everything they had planned and put nearly everyone over onto MoP. WoD was similar, huge bomb, so they've put everyone onto Legion.
>>334793963
Wotlk had 4 tiers.
Naxx, Sarth, Malygos
Ulduar
Crusade
ICC
>>334793963
Isn't WoD 3 tiers? Highmaul drops lower ilevel than Foundry
>>334790319
crying
Stat squish when? We are already at MoP numbers.
>>334796408
>crusade
>it's own tier
Wotlk kids, everyone
>>334795107
>make a WarCraft IV
As much as I want one that is a upgraded III, but with a larger scale and with a more polished hero mechanics (including WoW-tier equipment management) and with more gimmick, after SCII I'd rather if they never did it.
The only way for WCIV to become a thing would be if Blizzard hired competent writers and retconned WoW into an alternative timeline and start like a decade after the events of TFT. But that'll never happen. At this point WoW is too much of a exploitable cash-cow for them and some turboautistic Blizzdrones would rage if Blizzard tried to fix the whole shit by declaring that WoW is an alternative timeline and that everything they did at this point mattered even less than it already was.
>>334791761
He died. Maiev also put him into a crystal. Gul'Dan finds him.
>>334797079
They'll probably actually drop 32-bit OS support by next expansion. So enjoy the 1 trillion HP Sargeras encounter as you do 2 million DPS.
>>334794696
This one hurt me.
Deeply.
>>334794696
Fuck this hit me man
Everytime i see this screen it just rushes me with nostalgia
God damn
Garrosh did absolutely nothing wrong
>>334788738
It won't and no amount of shilling will change that. You can promise TBC 2.0 only so many times before people realize you're just shitting about
>>334798340
He lost
>>334788738
>>334789568
>>334796089
>>334795408
>>334795094
>>334797729
keep fighting my fellow gamer gators. we will show the big guys. *pulls katanna*
>>334798497
b-but the box art is green again!
>>334797143
Well, it was its own tier by definition for better worse. Doesn't make it okay that it killed Ulduar progression for many players.
>>334798340
>Head of alliance of different races
>decided to shit on everyone who isn't orc
This already was retarded mistake, but he was hypocrite too
>Victory or death!
>Lost against Varrian in the elf forest and run away
>Victory or death!
>Lost against Varrian in the Durotar and run away
Good thing that Thrall put him down, but I would prefer if his father of even Baine did it instead
>>334798920
>it was its own tier
I changed only 2-3 things after hard mode ulduar
So no, it wasn't it's own tier
>>334798991
Saurfang would have been a logical choice, especially since he threatened to cut down Garrosh back in Borean Tundra.
>>334799093
You're right. T9 was all a dream :^)
>>334790036
This had better be Monk or whatever. I love Chen, Li Li and Taran Zhu.
>>334795408
The fuck are you talking about? Even Vanilla had "YOU'RE THE HERO!" Storylines. It never had an overarching main storyline, which is why the you're the hero shit is so glaringly obvious.
>>334795756
>Being the chosen one
>Be the focus of it
You still aren't even in WoD. And that's still shit. This stuff in Legion should be the least of anyones problems.
When they added more pet shit, a fucking selfie camera, and twitter integration instead of releasing content.
That's when I knew WoW was dead and there was no bringing it back. Ashran was a disgusting clusterfuck, dungeons were just repetitive run-throughs with 0 social aspect besides occasionally having a complete dumbass in your group.
The community went to shit as well. Back around TBC/WotLK, people from the Shadow Council server actually made shit. Hell, Christie Golden was FROM that server, and now it's just a scrubtastic PvE server.
>>334799129
They mentioned some shit somewhere about him not wanting to be the leader.
>>334799485
There's nothing wrong with any of those features. The issue was they acted like it was the same as a raid tier. They should have included those features ALONGSIDE a raid tier.
>>334798340
I want Twilight Highlands Garrosh back. He was the pinnacle of Garrosh. A total fucking asshole, but still kind of a bro, and a hands on warlord.
>>334799093
thats right 232 is a larger number than 245
>>334799485
>Selfie Camera
nothing wrong with that, senpai
>>334799554
He was still in mourning over his son at that point.
>>334799640
>Panda
>Nothing wrong with the selfie camera
Found the cancer.
>>334799554
Oh I meant who would have made more sense to land the killing blow on Garrosh.
It does make sense why he wouldn't want the mantle of Warchief, what with the death of his son and the fact that he's old as dirt.
>>334794892
go away metzen
>implying WoW was ever good
>implying any MMORPG in the history of gaming was ever good
>>334799614
THIS
IS
MY
SHIP
>>334799719
>implying video games were ever good
>>334799640
You actually captured that moment really well anon, where Khadgar, standing next to a furry, was embarrassed to be alive, and yet could not move.
His JUST moment
>>334795684
>offline progression
meme status achieved
>>334794247
tehy didn't really have to though :^)
https://youtu.be/mBsIKWTreGQ
>>334799640
What's wrong is it was its own patch. If it had just been 6.0.4 it would have been less of an issue. Even their forum blizzdrones mock that patch.
>>334799620
>ilvl
>wotlk
Oh, so you just pretending to be retarded
>>334790169
>Raid with one boss counting
Halion was fucking garbage
>>334799640
except everything
just what the fuck is going on at Blizzard HQ that someone decided to name selfies and twitter 6.2 and release it like that
even with a bit of common sense you would know that shit doesn't fly
>all those faggots signing petition for legacy servers
>movies comes out june
>addon at the end of august
>at least 1 year of breathing room for the addon before they'd ever release legacy servers
>we're all be dead by then
fuck this. I just want my old game back now.
>>334793049
they're trying to recreate WotLK by throwing in all the same ingredients and hoping that lightning will strike.
>>334790828
That is actually what the petition is going for
They want to hand this to Mike Morhaime to show him the demand for these vanilla/legacy servers
There's a high probability that Blizz is just going to ignore it but it's a nice try atleast
>>334794696
Holy shit, I was 10 when I first saw that, that shit changed my life man
>>334800071
>not posting the full thing
>taking it out of context
>>334797350
>i don't fucking know what i'm talking about: the post
>all of the glory of the Emerald Dream, compiled into ONE RAID
You're saying that like it's a good thing.
The Emerald Dream could have been a whole expansion, and it'd be a lot better than kung fu pandas or alternate timeline dindu nuffins.
>>334800084
That and no Farahlon, what would later become Netherstorm.
I mean fuck me this was the first expansion without a troll patch.
How the fuck do people have any faith left in WoW? Like--I think the reason these topics get filled up so quickly is that deep down, almost everyone whose ever played WoW *wants* it to be good again, would play the shit out of it if it was good again, but every single new thing that's come out since WoD launched has been irredeemably stupid.
>>334800106
Item level has been in the game since day 1 famalam
>>334800553
Come again?
>>334800640
Wrath didn't have a troll patch? Unless you mean Ruby Dragonshrine filler.
>>334800649
>wotlkbabies
>>334800635
But why would they add that or like, the spider kingdoms in Wrath when they can just Rehash Draenor, rehash old dungeons and raid bosses, and add a bunch of random panda bullshit that maybe 1% of the filthy degenerate crowd even asked for?
>>334800750
Fair enough--but I mean, with Wrath it would have been pretty redundant--they got an entire zone and two dungeons.
>>334800767
But it has I'm just stating facts. Thottbot made estimates
>>334800649
>Item level has been in the game since day 1 famalam
...What?
Are you baiting?
>>334800106
Visible ilvl was added in 3.2, i.e. right after Ulduar. Here's your (You), retard.
why the fuck would anyone even want legacy servers if not for a little nostalgia rush
you'd go back to current wow in less than a week
>>334800908
>inb4 nostalrius shitposters
>>334800908
>why the fuck would anyone even want to play baldurs gate if not for a little nostalgia rush
>you'd go back to the Pillars of Eternity in less than a week
>>334800928
all 3 of them
>ITLL BE RELEASED BEFORE SEPTEMBER GUYS
>releases last day of august
nobody else is fucking mad over this?
>>334800865
Not him but there are plenty of mods back in vanilla that created item levels based on what people had.
I remember hating them back then because no one would let me raid.
>>334788738
Several alpha players have stayted that there is at this point NO endgame content at all and they will probably rush out some shit to keep people busy for a month before they unsub again
>>334800990
That's literally a month ahead of schedule.
>>334801046
No, it's border date
For all previous expacks it was 3-4 months ahead, wor WoD it was 1,5
>MFW I stopped playing WoW about a week after Hellfire came out (again)
>MFW I went back to ToR and had more fun in a month than in an entire year of hoping Blizzard wouldn't fuck their shit up more with every patch.
>interview before wod release
>garisons will be optional guys!
>blue posts before legion release
>class halls will be optional guys!
>>334801006
So Blizz learned nothing from Warlords. Big fucking surprise.
>>334801006
Theres the vampire elf raid planned for launch. At least that was the plan at Blizzcon.
>>334794520
Phasing ruined City Raids because the subgroups of the Raid always end up in different phases
>Varian dies
>Tirion dies
>Vol'jin goes missing
>Sylvanas becomes acting warchief
>Jaina goes full bitch mode again
>>334800640
>I think the reason these topics get filled up so quickly is that deep down, almost everyone whose ever played WoW *wants* it to be good again, would play the shit out of it if it was good again, but every single new thing that's come out since WoD launched has been irredeemably stupid.
Pretty much nailed it. Some of us are also too far gone in our addiction to really care anymore (but deep down inside we do).
>>334801151
>MFW I went back to ToR
Nice try EA
>>334789782
If you want that, play blade and soul, every character can do that, the only difference being that movement, dodging and blocking actually is part of the combat system, not just some pvp gimmick. But it's nice that blizzard catches up
>>334801467
Pauldrons not big enough
how desperate for attention is this guy
>>334801570
for you
>>334789832
IT'S A FEATURE!
>>334801006
Level cap hasn't been unlocked for even a week. There are already plenty of examples of end game content via world quests and dungeons. And we haven't started testing the endgame zone.
Try harder shithead.
>>334790521
>someone will far for this post
>MoP announced
>Are you ready for the WoW to be good again?
>WoD announced
>Are you ready for the WoW to be good again?
>Legion announced
>Are you ready for the WoW to be good again?
>>334801575
A good company would just hire the nos devs and not fighting against the playersbase. At least acknowledge it as non profit fan based project but not this lawyer shit. At this point I don't even want blizzard to make legacy server, they will find a way to fuck it up. They should let people do it that actually play and care for their game
>>334800908
>you'd go back to current wow
that would imply I play current wow and didn't drop it like it's hot during cataclysm
>>334801575
Probably needs a job :^)
>>334791461
that whole image is bad. first patches had minor features and the image makes it out to be larger than it was. later patches have major features, but the minor ones arent mentioned.
>>334801156
Oh right, MoP had that farm shit. I did it once and never came back to check on that shit.
>>334790521
He hit 740 in one boost through mythic? Without legendary ring? That would be absurd luck with loot and warforged items.
>>334801818
yeh, blizzard should just acknowledge servers that let you play their game for free, even if its a shittier version
thats great for business
>>334801818
>Not fight a small part of their playerbase
And no. Lets be honest. They have no reason to hire the nost devs, especially not that nost's playerbase keeps ragging on them. They'd probably deny them out of spite at this point.
>>334788738
>tfw Nostalrius shitstorm
>tfw Blizzard turned into the angry aging Alzheimer dad. destroys things for absolutely no logical reason
>well except everyone knows the reason is there is no Cash Shops in Vanilla WoW but ya' know.
>anyways
>all this bullshit is going on, negative zeitgeist surrounding the vidya industry even though I know it's needed for any sort of positive change to occur in the future
>just sittin all sad listening to the old tavern bgms
>garrisons are like super christmas!
we need to save Azeroth from Blizzard, they're the real ancient evil
>>334801575
>how desperate for attention is this guy
that guy is based as fuck. what the fuck is your problem?
>>334790368
where the "you can't even reach 120k" blizzcucks at?
>>334802089
>tfw Nostalrius shitstorm
What shitstorm? It was all just chinks playing.
Good riddance, I say, the lag was fucking unbearable due to chink bots.
>>334799640
The only enjoyment I got out of WoD was finding glitches/exploits and exploring out of bounds.
>>334801350
Varion is shit. Tirion played his part and who even cares anymore? Vol'jin was always pretty average. Sylvanas is someones fucking pet I swear.
>>334802124
you're up a little early eh mr morhaime?
>>334790521
WOW HE LEVELED 1-100 IN 8 HOURS?
>He used recruit a friend 300%
>He was wearing full heirlooms 100%
>He stacked exp pots that give 300%
>Had his fans give him gold to buy gear
Wow shocker people can level fast
You can go 92-97 in 15 minutes using those potions and lining up specific quest turnins, even without reduced exp
Who gives a shit
>>334802124
>Good riddance, I say, the lag was fucking unbearable due to chink bots.
What lag? Shit never lagged once when i played and as a Euro i am closer to their timezone than burgers
>>334802089
>Destroying things for no logical reason
You mean shutting down a server? You mean shit they've been doing for years? My god, how henious and unexpected.
I'm not even a Blizzard fan. I'm just tired of fucking retards pretending this is a first.
>>334802093
>based
you mean retarded?
>spends 3 million on a firefall car and gets kicked from his own company for being a retard
yeh, so based
>>334802179
The 1-100 grind is literally 2 hours with those prerequisites. The Item level grind is what took the other 6 hours.
>>334802213
>I want every single one of you to stop complaining because it upsets me
shut up you giga faggot
nu-male cuck get fucked...or cucked.
>>334802059
Blizzard doesn't even offer to let people play the game they bought in 2004 in the way it used to be. And I am very sure that they still make enough profit since they turned the game pay2win with buying gold and characters in a game that already requires a subscription
>>334788738
Was making a giant post of angry fanbois on both sides your plan all along?
Congratulations, your shitpost reached critical mass--what's the next step in your master plan?!
>>334802001
Actually scratch that, in order to hit 740 in one day, even if he did mythic dungeons, LFR, and the TW weekly to upgrade some items, he'd have to get a warforged item in each slot from upper citadel. Calling bullshit.
>>334802131
Managed to get a Telaari tank in Highmaul raid.
>>334802293
Go sign some more petitions you whiny faggot.
>>334802274
>have fans give you gold
>buy gear off the auctionhouse
>pay a guild to carry you through content
yeh, gold does a lot for you in wow
not surprised at all
>>334789403
3 R A I D S
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and blizzcucks still defend this game
>>334790410
They could just have a button in the system or interface menu "Disable Transmogrification" and all would be solved for everyone.
>mfw legion shatters all previous xpack sales records
>>334802298
>my fotm build gets patched out of the game
f-f-f-fuck blizzard man, im refunding legion!!! everyone riot and spam blizzard wooooowweeeeee!!!!
>>334801467
that CIA
>>334802412
Except the whole point of transmogs are to look cool. If you give people a button called "make your peers look retarded" then people will complain
>>334788738
It was supposed to be good after WoD and they fucked it. No thanks.
They alienated their original playerbase going for a broader audience by dumbing the game down increasingly with each addon. Legion takes another broad stride in that direction.
Question is: If i want shitty combat i can get it for free in tons of games, why pay for wow?
>>334802352
Go complain about people signing petitions some more you dumb cunt
>>334802484
But they will never know people see them naked?
>>334789403
>Ulduar was the shortest raid cycle outside of vanilla
I remember that we still ran it when trials of the crusader came out, but jesus that's a sad thing to realize.
>youtubers and twitch people giving this attention because drama is what people want and they look like pseudo heroes for talking about it
>blizzard won't budget on legacy because they've already determined its not worth the time, effort and resources to bother with it
>reddit, twitch and youtube continues their crusade to get a legacy
>blizzard continues pushing forward with their movie release and legion
>reddit, twitch and youtube eventually stop talking about it because even their fans become sick of it and they find a new something to whine about because that's all these people do with their lives is complain and leech off society by pretending to be entertainers
>blizzard wins, the whiners loser, and /v/ can go back to not caring about WoW
any day now
>>334801156
>We want you to look forward to it instead of just logging in once a day and clicking some things.
But that's literally exactly what Garrisons is today. I log on my characters, click on some things, and I'm done.
>>334802484
Transmog was a double edged sword. They use it as a reason to half ass new tiers with recolors.
>>334802615
I want to punch you. Nothing personal.
But that is what is going to happen.
>Americucks can get Swift Spectral Tigers for 600k
>My EU realm hasn't seen one since june last year, and it was bought in a millisecond for gold cap
Life is so unfair
>>334802542
no reason to, but I'm sure you will because a lot of people on this board are only pretending to hate the game.
>>334802568
Go sign a petition. If you get 500k maybe I'll complain about it. That'll show me.
Why are Nostards so buttblasted?
They stole someones copyrighted game & idea and made a server out of it. That company got wind of the idea and shut them down.
They did not pirate stuff for their own purposes, but to make huge money out of all the nostalgiafags. No wonder Blizzard went to shut it down. They lost money thanks to it.
What should I name my free 100 rogue?
>>334802615
>Hey guys lets all refund Legion, Blizzard will have to say something then
>Blizzard says nothing
>"LEGION ANNOUNCED AUGUST 30th, PRE-PATCH IN JUNE"
>g-g-guys stand strong, believe in the cause!
>June comes around
>Legacy garbage is forgotten, everyone rebuys legion
>Mikes face when
>>334802615
>meanwhile in this posters daily boardroom 'meeting'
o-oh yes..master Blizzard? *suck suck*
I'm doing such- *slurp* a good *slop* job of defending *gargle* you and your exccellent *slobbery choking* artistic masterpieces...*swallows*
yes I'll keep telling them they're whiners who can't change anything. thank you master blizzard, thank you for your rotten semen!
>>334802808
>record low subs
>>334802804
holy shit this game loooks fucking awful
>>334802429
You seriously think I complain but still preordered legion? Lmao this is blizzdrone thinking. There are enough servers to play the game as it was intended to be
>>334802820
>shitting on legacytards makes you a blizzard shill
hehe sign that petition, i hear youll see some shit when it gets to 500k according to your idol mark kerm :)
>>334802820
Fucking kek
>>334801156
This lack of trust will kill Legion launch, they won't even be able to jew on the expansion and then take the money and run like they did with WoD, there's literally zero hype even among wow addicts. The media talks more about that petition than about Legion. Serves them right.
>>334802725
They did that before transmog too.
>>334802762
Simple. They had numbers, and the more numbers you have the louder and more cocky you become with your arguments. Then suddenly a couple of youtubers and twitch guys with accounts on nost hear about it, jump in with their recycled two cent arguments and suddenly they act like they're a million strong.
>>334802862
we had this same discussion before warlord hit, and the sub count jumped back up to 10M. once it releases and the sodapoppin' crowd starts streaming, everyone will come rushing back because that's what addicts do.
and even if the subs drop again, they won't give a shit. they're focused on box sales these days, and I guarantee legion will once again sell millions of copies worldwide.
this.game.will.never.die.
>>334789185
We've had this discussion last night, WoD's bar should exclude 6.1 as even the devs admitted a self patch was not a major patch.
I remember when wow was good.
Ever since stark craft 2 blizzard went downhill
>>334802878
that name doesnt fit
>>334802908
>Kill Legion
>Zero hype
>Zero
You're full of shit, and anyone who visits any WoW site could easily prove you wrong. When you hate a game and make up shit about it, you're supposed to make up shit that can't be easily disproved.
>>334802804
thickalicious
>If Nostalrius can get 850k to sign up for a free server, millions would pay Blizzard $15 a month for it
t. Mark Kern Former-CEO of red5 before getting kicked out of his own company
>>334802804
Moot
>>334803072
is that him? really? he looks exactly like what you'd imagine a WoW player to look like. fucking unreal.
>>334802898
don't you have some refugee dick to suck?
>>334802761
>you wont get over 120k signatures!
breaks that number
>WHATEVER DLETE THIS AND COME BACK WITH 500k SIGNATURES AND MAYBE YOU MIGHT DO IT!!
>>334789859
It actually felt like an immersive game that required you to play with other people to accomplish goals.
>>334803190
>they're now asking for 200k signatures
I don't even want legacy, but I hope they get the 200.
The best thing to happen will be an end to all of this, with either a server being created, or blizzard outright saying NO once again.
>>334803190
Hey cool, and what did breaking that number do? When is the legacy server coming up, I'll mark it down real quick. I'm hyped man. 500k and you won, right?
>>334803190
>You had 150k active, surely you can get 200k?
>Beg for signatures from youtubers and twitch streamers for a week, even if they dont play wow
>180k
wew lad
>>334803267
There won't be an end. Blizzard already said fucking no and people ignored them. If they say no again, if they hold a press conference in which their boss simply says "No" for 2 hours straight, they'll still keep bitching and asking for legacy.
So basically I'm pretty sure they'll just ignore them all together.
>>334802743
Stating the state of it isn't hating it, I'm more sad missing out on profiting from their stocks which doubled in a year. They made continuously more money each year milking the addicted fanbase.
>>334789859
Ignorance. People just played the game and discovered things as they went. At most, they knew that the max level was 60 and that's what they looked forward. And as they leveled they learnt about instances, and raids, and rare items, and epic items, and that kept people engaged.
Today everyone knows everything. People work towards their BIS and everything in the way is just an annoyance. And not even Nostalrius fixed that, Nostalrius felt nothing like Vanilla.
>>334803334
Entitled little babbys just want their gear back they spent a year on
>>334803020
I still remember when people were getting High Warlord sniped hard as fuck with people going 1 mil honor, hilarious shit.
>>334802762
Nost got traffic from big twitch streamers and on social media, so a lot of people new to private servers came up. Blizzard has actively killed off the top private server once every 2 years or so. and it's just their first time experiencing it.
vanillacucks wont accept no for an answer
>>334803501
>Most prestigious raid title
>The Kingslayer
>>334803063
Wow sites have to report on it , and mostly it's "look at this class change" crap. Other than WoW sites nobody talks about it.
>>334803417
>Nostalrius felt nothing like Vanilla.
I played from 2006-2012 and let me just tell you, you are retarded. Extra chromosome, full blown retarded.
>>334803501
If you're trying to imply they didn't play Vanilla, those stats started being recorded in WotLK.
>>334803501
>he doesnt know how raid achievements for vanilla and tbc work
>>334789032
>legacy server
>no content updates ever
>people providing this as a game changing improvement in a game which main problem is a content drought
>>334803617
You think it did, but it didn't.
>>334803501
Can't trust those stats at all, nor can you trust the most prestigious title.
>Killing Deathwing on Normal is somehow more prestigious than killing Archimonde on Mythic.
I've also killed Blackhand Mythic tons of times, but it doesn't display.
>>334803658
Nah, if he cleared raid and have any items even in bank, that would count
Because they not even yellow...
>>334803072
i'm a nostfriend, but i truly fear this guy will be gently escorted out of blizzard perimeters. I don't think depending on him is a good idea. The whole internet buzz is our best chance, but they could just not do it out of pure spite.
>that one faggot
>posts up mats in stacks of 1
>PPI 60-70% undercut
REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>334803684
A large part of the current playerbase never played vanilla... it would be new content for them
>>334789185
>>334789403
How to identify he who browses plebbit
>>334803647
What this anon said, wouldn't he still have the Onyxia feat of strength though?
>>334803417
>Nostalrius felt nothing like Vanilla
What on earth are you talking about
>>334803764
only endboss drops count. i cleared ony, rag and nefarian back then and only got the one for ony because i got her head/ring.
>>334803814
>he thinks the new players didnt go back and do those raids for achievements or transmog
the raids are shit and boring, vanilla boss mechanics were trash, youre just gated behind resistances and 39 retards
bwl was speedran on nost in 32 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nqjyM8vbZw
>>334801818
>blizz buy back their own game
wtf you're an underage that's for sure
>>334788738
Wow player
>Good players that know about ebery class/race ups and downs
>Can change with the meta of the game and are still good on it, even with fair nerfs
>go against every thing blizzard makes like new raid bosses and they still victorious
Nostcucks
>Instead of geting gud and learning how to beat the new classes they use the old game where some classes like paladin are useless and others are broken
>can't get to the new level cap since they are a bunch of noobs
>if they try to go with a full party against a new raid boss they get fucked
>Don't even care about PvP, all they do is easy mode old bosses
>They are probably steam fags
>>334803595
Lol.
I still blame Activision for the current state of the game
It literally feels like they have to do the same amount of work with twice as less people and 8 times as less resources as before the merger
>>334789859
My biggest gripe has been the change to dungeons and the way people lvl.
Vanilla:
1. Most dungeons are the conclusion to a long quest/story line.
2. Dungeons offer the best loot, greatly improving your pvp abilities and ease of lvling.
3. They take a lot of time to complete. You need to find the right group members, travelling through the land and safely arriving at the dungeon (risk of pvp interruptions) and going through the dungeon from start to finish.
4. They require teamwork; how many enemies to fight at once, which to crowd control.
Later expansions:
1. New items called heirlooms (gear which automatically improved along side your character) made the good gear in dungeons useless. Also players were much stronger thanks to heirlooms so dungeons were not challenging anymore and could be completed very fast. No teamwork required. Chatting with people came to a complete standstill.
2. The ingame mechanic of dungeon finder made searching for party members automated. You'd join a queue, have people join your group, and once ready, you'd all be teleported instantaneously to the dungeon location. No need to travel, see the world, have thing happen to you, or follow a quest line.
Dungeons transformed from a challenging but rewarding special location, to the premier mindless grindspot bereft of all its original characteristics.
>>334803854
The game was very similar, but the community was very different, and players in Nostalrius were infinitely better. Absolutely nothing will return the Vanilla experience.
>>334803072
>850k
Fucking bullshit desu. There were 800k accounts created on Nostalrius during its entire lifespan, the amount of people playing there wasn't even close to such a number.
>>334803854
I would imagine so. But then again, I don't have it and I did Onyxia. I also don't have my 400 unarmed thing, which I loved.
When do they start giving out WoD for free?
>>334790169
>>334790246
The charts are accurate; they only show major content patches. Ruby Sanctum wasn't a major patch release. It was a minor part of the ICC patch which was 3.3. (3.3.5).
Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj was released alongside Temple of Ahn'Qiraj and Tempest Keep was part of the initial 2.0 patch for Burning Crusade.
>>334790212
>tfw sam will never crush your head between her big squishy thigh meat
>>334800106
ILVL didn't become visible until after the whole gearscore drama which was nothing more then all your ilvls put together
>>334804058
Heirlooms are shit but dungeons are still the conclusion to quest lines. They streamlined the dungeons and it's not a negative thing, only if you really like exploring and gathering party members.
Sometimes people just want to queue up and do a dungeon. There is nothing wrong with that. It's not a great sin. You can still form your own parties.
Fuck Heirlooms, though. I fucking hate Heirlooms.
I just wished all of this buzz was made to make wow great again, and not for having stupid servers with clunky animations and where you are forced to play this spec or this class or not even low level dungeons will want you. I played on Nost and the community, difficulty and world pvp where GOAT, but everything else was outdated shit. But i see that convincing them to backpedal on their crap might be even harder that making them do legacy servers so i can of understand who voted in the petition.
>>334799391
The "YOU'RE THE HERO" storylines of classic almost always involved groups or were heroic in a smaller scale. For example, investigating the kings disappearance, rescuing the prisoner in Blackrock and taking him back to stormwind for the Onyxia quest, etc.
Not like Legion's YOU ARE THE ONLY HOPE TAKE THIS LEGENDARY WEAPON RIGHT AT THE START OF THE EXPANSION.
The actually heroic world changing stuff required appropriate effort, like the opening of Ahn'Qiraj, which could only happen once per server.
>>334803928
Are you that dense? Vanilla is more than just the shitty raids.
The game was a real rpg in vanilla with class quests that got later removed , rogues making their own poisons and all that other rpg shit.
The questing is also different from the current games as it got overhauled in cataclysm. There is ton's of content you can't get anymore.
I don't want vanilla back as it was.
I want it back but with the new mechanics we have.
>>334804058
I remember dungeoning in Vanilla like this:
>Some dungeons weren't connected to anything, like BFD
>Some were essentially faction specific like Stockades or even SFK
>Mara was a hellhole no one wanted to do
>Dire Maul only had 1 viable wing
>No one did BRD except for Onyxia prequest
> - MC prequest was usually done by swimming anyway
However, dungeons like Scholomance and UBRS were so much cooler than anything we have right now.
Heirlooms still a shit though. Totally ruined leveling, made it a total bore because you're just mindlessly grinding dungeons.
Also, Challenge Modes are a thing today. I fucking love Challenge Modes, and I'm so salty they're removing it.
>>334800106
Item level became available about halfway through WotLK when players were whining about gearscore.
>>334804276
go watch some lvl 60 xp lock raids.
they're lfr tier.
>>334804360
>he thinks MC wasn't lfr tier back then
I literally pressed 2 buttons. Frostbolt when tank said we could, Wand when we were overaggroing.
>>334788738
im ready to fugg yo mudda!
>>334803501
The blizzhater shill and samefag every thread shows how clueless he is
>>334804264
Yeh, the new questing system actually gives you useful items instead of nothing/shit. And all that "old" content was updated with "new" content for the 1-60 experience, sorry if you dont like it.
I seriously doubt reagents are a selling point for vanilla.
>>334804360
>Mfw people glorify 40 man raids
They were fucking terrible most of the time.
>>334800557
wew lad, shows how much you know.
Garrosh had multiple stages because they were hitting the limit for 32-bit integers with his health pool
>>334804314
>>No one did BRD
t.shameless liar
>>334788738
I swear I heard the same words, the exactly same words, last expansion
blizzdrones are the most deluded fuckers on this board
>>334804512
Unless all you did was raid MC with a terribad guild, no they fucking weren't.
I honestly think increasing the level cap was the biggest mistake
They should have stopped at level 70 or maybe even 85. From onwards it would be gear level that would be required. The experience rate would be slow and old like how it was in vanilla. Also, get rid of heirlooms. I don't know, maybe I just miss seeing LFM to kill some shithead elite mob in general chat and other socializing shit.
>>334804610
Socialising died when we can just join a queue at the click of a button
>>334804607
I cleared aq40 during wotlk
Wasn't impressed at all
Most of bosses didn't even had mechanics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nqjyM8vbZw
This is what happens when you put the current WoW playerbase in decade old content, where everyone and your mother knows what a dps rotation and minmax is
BWL takes less time to clear than a 5 man dungeon in WoD
>>334803928
>32 mins with that gear and those full world buffs and an unscripted razorgore
Hilarious actually.
What's funnier is that you think most raids today can't be speedrun this quickly. Sub 60 minute Hellfire's are easily doable, and now'a days you don't have access to a flat 30% damage increase with world buffs and buff stacking.
>>334804727
>I cleared aq40 during wotlk
>>334803928
Oh wow, people in AQ40 gear can clear BWL fast? Who knew?
They were farming for nefarian gear
>>334804684
>because i have to spam in /2 for a group somehow makes me "social"
>>334792149
I had fun with WoD until highmaul opened. Doing the dungeons with friends with bad gear was enjoyable for awhile. The garrisons still had some novelty. Then it just got worse and worse rapidly.
>>334804727
>I cleared aq40 during wotlk
>but I'm gonna run my mouth as if I know something
Get the fuck out, lichbabby.
>>334792497
That's what I want. And after the season you can transfer to a BC server, then to wrath, etc. or start back on vanilla with new characters.
>>334804734
While I agree, to be fair, the high ranking guilds were used to test upcoming raids on the PTR. They literally spent weeks, if not, months doing the same bosses over and over to minimize bugs. When the raid was ready to be released, these guilds already had the fights memorized and could breeze through them.
Why didn't tirion just use his human racial during the lich king fight?
>>334804610
Sometimes I wish for the same thing, but on 60. They should've continued to expand the vanilla world. There was so much potential, so many blank spaces on the map. It's been obvious that they've been preparing for TBC all along though, since a shitload of TBC assets are in vanilla client, and some could even be reached via very advanced wall-glitching.
But in case they decided to keep the level cap stagnant, they would've needed to introduce some kind of separation mechanic. Even in retail vanilla, a T3-geared level 60 would get the same amount of honor for killing a green-geared level 60, yet the green-geared one would pose less threat to T3 than a level 55 would pose to him.
what to name my new rogue?
>>334804937
Jezzie.
>>334804937
Randomize
>>334804903
Because he didn't need improved stealth detection or increased Swords skill
>lichcucks lol
>>334804192
>Sometimes people just want to queue up and do a dungeon.
Thats not what happens tho. People just grind dungeons because its the premier fastest way to level. Its ALL they do. Conclusion to questlines are meaningless if people don't even quest.
>>334804937
Trap
>>334804796
aq40 wasnt even out on nostalrius friend
>Complain about wanting new content
>while crying at the same time that there are no legacy servers
Can someone explain this to me?
>>334804937
Cuckelle
>>334801006
How can they keep fucking this up holey shit.
Years and years of development. Ancient fucking game now. Huge development team(apparantly). More profit than any game ever(probably). And a lack of content somehow ends up being a fucking problem? Fucking shoot me these guys are incompetent.
>>334804490
>I only care about rewards
stop playing games then since the reward for a real job is better anyway.
On topic it's additional content for someone who never played it which is better than having to do nothing regardless of quality. Also like how you omitted removed class quests. Had no bullshit reply to that?
>>334794892
>No more adventuring in Pandaland, or in space!
But Panda land was actually a beautiful continent and fun to explore.
2.) New PvP System
It will be fucked as usual these days.
>>334805034
It was out on PTR, and top guilds were having no trouble with it
>Are you ready for WoW to be good again
Literally impossible. WoW stopped being good after Wrath of the Lich King. I unsubbed in 2012 and have never regretted it.
I was just a bit too young to see the golden years of WoW. Despire this, I experience nostalgia through you guys, for a game I never even played.
OG vanilla players describe 2004/5/6 wow as this huge world full of adventure, other cool people to team up with. everyone was playing it. that sounds exactly like the sort of game I would like to play.
will we ever get another like it? or was it completely unique?
>>334805050
just nostcucks crying that their free server got shut down
>>334804937
Why do you keep posting this
>>334804734
>Speedrun
...
>>334805162
>after Wrath of the Lich King
Good one
Who here did the epic paladin mount quest?
Shame they took it out.
Now you just pay.
>>334788738
Good again? So its going to be changed back into what wrath was like?
>>334805034
Watch the video posted. The POV character has an elementium shield which only came out with AQ40
>>334805165
>will we ever get another like it?
datamining makes it very difficult to have a really good exploration kind of game. we need a game that has genuinely good randomly generated content and NPC AI to have that kind of world exploration. gear, world, enemies, quests, gathering, crafting, spells, etc. all need some kind of procedural generation that can't easily be datamined, formulated, and regurgitated as a simple list of optimal actions.
>>334805389
It drops in BWL and was added in 1.6.0, fucking educate yourself.
>>334805091
It's ironic how the larger the WoW team grows, the worse the game gets, at least judging by how Blizz touts growing the team. What's even more mind boggling is how they repeat the same mistakes over and over despite plenty of experience and knowledge from previous expansions. Like 12+ months of a single patch content along with bottlenecking all players to a single area, or worse, NPC on launch day. You'd think someone in one of their meetings would've spoke up and said that wasn't a good idea because it's been disastrous in the past yet they keep doing it.
It makes you wonder if there truly is anybody left on the WoW team that's been there for more than two expansions and anyone that actually plays the game.
>>334804790
Show me a one hour mythic HFC clear. If it can be done, you probably have to stack classes and use speed boosts through the whole instance. There's definitely no way it can "easily" be done.
>>334804734
>5 man dungeon in WoD
Yeah even at moderate gear those WoD Dungeons get destroyed, challenge mode runs of them were at sub 8 on release.
Even beyond that, overgearing any content makes it a breeze, that has not changed. Back in vanilla BWL was a straight up guild killer as most guilds fell apart trying to progress.
>>334805230
Wrath of the Lich King was literally perfect. One of the best expansions for any game ever. This is coming from someone who played from 2005-2012 where I unsubbed, like I said.
>>334803501
My TBC account got hacked into oblivion so after I quit for a bit, i made a completely new account.
There's no way I can show you I killed M'uru pre-nerf, but I did.
>>334793062
>Vanilla/TBC happened during a time when the internet couldn't provide players every single answer to a game.
Thottbot was for most of vanilla
>>334788738
You've said that about WoD as well, and look what happened.
>>334805464
>elementium shield
I was wrong. The BWL and the AQ40 shield look very similar.
>>334804490
You clearly don't know what you are talking about at all so maybe you should stop posting. Classic WoW blues and greens are far more useful than modern WoW's. Most people only collect them for transmogs on live nowadays.
>>334805514
>It's ironic how the larger the WoW team grows, the worse the game gets
that's actually not ironic. it's well known that adding members to a software engineering project adversely affects delivery of the software. it takes a long time to recover from this and the intent is that eventually when the new team members can finally be productive there will be long term benefits. for citation see Mythical Man Month by Fred Brooks. it becomes a major problem if the team is hemorrhaging members so it keeps needing to add more so there is never any stabilization (and I think this is likely the case for Blizzard).
As a new developer, it takes a long time to get accustomed to the development process of the team and understand the massive code base well enough to be truly productive with it.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743204738
this makes me sad
>>334805552
Wotlk was worst expansion, even worse than WoD, because at least WoD content is good(before you run out of it)
This comes from someone who actually played since vanilla
>>334805753
>hehe i pay with tokens therefore no monies for blizzard
>>334805518
The guild Encore does speed kill of bosses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyth2-Jr4HU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV3dBSHBbVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yod5J7ak4L0
If you can kill Arch in ~4 mins you can definitely
>>334792683
Nothing like it for Cata, but the last patch of Wrath was a raid on the black dragonflight getting uppity with a big twilight dragon.
I helped shut down Nostralius. It was an illegal server, full of degenerates. I'm glad its gone.
>>334805725
Yeh dude, i'd kill for one of those +str +spirit items nowadays instead of a int/stam/spell power quest reward
>>334806220
>I helped a multi million dollar company do something
In your dreams maybe.
What if blizz worked with them to make legacy servers instead of shutting them down?
>>334806080
Wotlk
>No world pvp
>Everyone just sit in Dalaran
>First raid tier is garbage
>Second raid tier is mediocre and people love it only because it was their first serious raid
>ToC is garbage
>ICC only lich king fight was good(best fight in wow history back then to tell the truth)
WoD
>Some world pvp because people did quests and farmed crystals in the zones with elite mobs
>Everyone just sit in their garnisons
>First raid tier was good and emperor mythic is one of the best bosses in the wow history
>Foundry was even better
Dropped before HFC came out, but heard only good things
>>334805926
the questing is better in wod and wotlk suffered a bit from fotm DK but that's it. They completly fucked with professions, garrison facebook game, classes are dumbed down.
Overall wotlk was a better game past the questing
>>334806220
here's your reply
>(you did nothing)
>as a fellow game dev
>blizzard pls hire me i am like you!!
laughable
>>334806339
Um, excuse me? I don't need you to mansplain things to me. I'm a game developer. I have contacts in the industry. Sold over 10,000 units on the appstore. What have you done?
Nostalrius is done, no need to get mad about it.
>>334806430
>TBC
>no world pvp
>everyone just sit in shattrath
>first raid tier is mediocre and people love it only because it was their first serious raid
>gruul/mag were garbage hallways
>BT only illidan fight was good (best fight in wow history back then to tell the truth)
This is Ion Hazzikostas (Watcher) former GM of Elitist Jerks, former Lead Encounter designer, former Lead Game Designer, now recently promoted to Assistant Game Director's response to Garrison 2.0:
Don't you understand that no one likes missions? Why are you keeping any piece of the system?
We understand that many players are unhappy with garrisons, and in particular with the prominence of follower missions in Warlords of Draenor. We're certainly not sitting around, saying to ourselves, "Wow, everyone loves managing followers and doing missions; let's just copy/paste this feature into our next expansion for an easy win!"
We agree that, especially in the long run, the balance of content and rewards between garrison missions and core world content was a big problem in Draenor. Players too often found themselves without much reason to bother with dungeons or outdoor content, possibly logging on to raid or PvP, and otherwise just checking in to collect mission rewards and send followers out on new ones. And after a little while of that, it's awfully easy for it to stop feeling like a proper MMO experience.
I understand that there is a fair amount of cynicism, and there are some who are probably reading this right now and thinking that it's just a bunch of nice-sounding words trying to cover up our sinister plan of mission-table supremacy. But even if we wanted to, we know that we can’t hide anything here. Well before Legion is in anyone's hands, people will be experiencing the system in its entirety in beta, and we'll be judged on that basis.
>>334806581
Fantastic bait.
>>334806080
Idk if it was the worst but I don't see what was great about it either. It began the downward trend. It slightly recovered the lore after Burning What the Fuck are we even killing these characters for?
but the Lich King was a cartoon villain who didn't put up much fight at all compared to how he was in Warcraft 3.
It also had a bunch of bandaid shit like dual specs (which avoided addressing the actual problem with specs), the LFG teleport to instance shit. It also only had 2 real raid dungeons, Naxx being a rehash and and Argent Tournament being a sort of half raid.
The only big thing I miss from vanilla is that classes felt more like their classes and diverse, especially class quests, love that shit.
>>334806581
Kek, is this an attempt at a new vidya game version of the navy seal pasta?
>>334789568
Worst of all, Blizzard haven't ruined just their own game, they've set a cancerous precedent in the MMORPG genre. Fuck Blizzard. People don't seem to realise this, but they've single-handedly shaped what MMOs are, and now 90% of MMOs are pathetic pieces of crap because they always rip off WoW, and WoW has gone to shit.
>>334793062
>Vanilla/TBC happened during a time when the internet couldn't provide players every single answer to a game
????????
>>334806715
I dont miss how I was pigeonholed into only being able to raid in one spec.
>>334806770
>it's blizzard's fault their game got so popular everyone started copying it
nice meme
>>334806062
I'm aware of that, but even with 9 Mages you have to try very hard to do it all in under one hour. The first boss alone will already be at least 10 minutes counting the boss and clearing the whole first room.
Also, I don't know if you're the same guy that mentioned world buffs, but the valor upgrades are far stronger than a 30% increased damage world buff. 10 item levels bringing you from 730 to 740 can almost double your damage on some bosses.
>>334806797
Let me chew this down for you
>not everyone went to check databases the second they encountered something in game
>>334806634
>Cata
>no world pvp
>everyone just sits in respective capital city
>first raid tier is mediocre and people love it only because it was their first serious raid
>BWD buggy mess no one can complete until months later
>worst end game boss of all time
>>334806840
Well, it quite literally is.
Whether or not they should be blamed for it is another thing.
>>334806634
>Vanilla
>no world pvp
>everyone just sit in Orgri/Storm
>all raid tiers are mediocre and people love them only because they were their first raids
>Onyxia was garbage single room
>Naxx only Kel'Thuzad fight was good (best fight in wow history back then to tell the truth)
>>334806634
>no world pvp
Already lie, there was enough world pvp for the raid buffs and on the elemental plateau in general
Already shows that you never played game
>everyone just sit in shattrath
Lie, people constantly left city to farm reagents/5k gold/dungeons/other shit
>first raid tier is mediocre and people love it only because it was their first serious raid
>gruul/mag were garbage hallways
Gruul and Mag are the part of first raid tier, you retard
And Mag was good, so good that people skipped him and did some t5 bosses first
Pre second nerf Gruul was very memorable too
>BT only illidan fight was good
Most of fights were good
>>334806886
>first raid tier is mediocre
You never played during cata, right? First 2 raid tiers were better than anything in wotlk
>>334806879
>Ask in General chat
>Check thottbot
Every time.
>>334806818
>Mfw ret pallies were laughed at
>>334806960
>>Vanilla
>>no world pvp
bait
>>334806886
>BWD buggy mess no one can complete until months later
Did you even play cata?
>>334806886
>>334806973
i didnt like BWD either, but i thought firelands was fantastic and one of the best raids
>>334806973
>And Mag was good
Just look at this hallway
>implying it was good
The funny thing about current wow is that now they have 50% bigger dev team than they had when Mop launched. I'm still wondering what did it change? 1 real content patch in wod? how did they justify that? "umm t-they a-are working on next expansion".
What the fuck?
bigger dev team means rehashed content now? just look at everything there is in legion and tell me you haven't seen it before in ANY of blizzards games. now tell me how much you love blizzard. i mean if you put a bit of sugar on a pile of shit, it will still be a pile of shit.
I want alpha models back
>>334806661
>>334806578
I've struggled all my life to earn a name in the video game industry. Nostalrius hurts developers like myself. They steal content away from the creators.
I don't need a job from Blizzard. I have my own studio.
>>334807096
It had good fights, especially ragnaros, but the abundance of trash was inexcusable cancer
The only exception being alysrazor's trash, that was pretty cool
>tfw got gud
There's no content in vanilla that is as challenging as competing in CMs. Well, before Soul Cap was a thing at least.
Trash packs had more tactics than mythic bosses.
Does anyone else think the art style is better in classic? I especially notice this with the new Tauren model in live, it looks like a cartoon now. In the original it looks like an actual bull.
>>334807345
>Gorefiend Grasp + Capacitor totem is more mechanics than mythic bosses
O_o
>>334807345
> Trash packs had more tactics than mythic bosses.
ok 11/13 Normal HFC friendo :)
>>334807452
There's more to it than that if you want to actually have a fast time.
>>334807471
Jokes on you.
>>334804030
Blizzard missed out on the exact same situation about dota. Valve even hired the guys that made counter strike and the devs of the game they turned into portal. They are just missing out opportunities to not be shit. Not buying back anything
>>334807218
If you legit believe you helped shut down Nost you are straight up delusional. Blizzard knows how to use fucking google.
>>334806841
What's a decent estimate on a well paced clear then? 90 mins? 100? Keep in mind BWL also had 5 less bosses.
>>334807345
>tfw no friends
>>334807568
>there are actual achievments that say you defeated the boss before we nerfed it to shit for everyone
This is exactly one of the things that's wrong with modern wow
>>334807568
> end of november
> expecting to be taken seriously
If you believe any challenge mode is >unironically< harder than any Mythic boss aside of the few cannon fodder initial ones you might do well to consider suicide
>>334789403
>>334789554
This is painful. Look at all the colors for the first three games and how they began disappearing around Cata. You can see the downward spiral where Blizz stopped caring about content and just starting putting out whatever they felt was appropriate. Never would I have thought we'd get a patch that was based around selfie pics and twitter integration.
And kek at the successful WoD launch and post-6.2 content. Is nobody accountable at Blizzard anymore?
>>334807913
>If you believe any challenge mode is >unironically< harder than any Mythic boss aside of the few cannon fodder initial ones you might do well to consider suicide
Not Challenge Modes in themselves, no but doing CMs at a realm competitive level is for sure harder than mythic. There's absolutely no room for error.
>>334804030
Talent recruitment. It's when you recognize someone out there has something good and it can really bolster your PR or your bottom line. Judging by Blizz's actions, they could definitely benefit from some fresh, talented people about now.
>>334808136
As opposed to any Mythic fight competing for world <300 ?
CMs were completed less than 15 days after WoD release. Let's not be delusional.
>Capacitor Mirror mode
KEK
>>334807913
On a personal level it's not much difference.
The real difficulty however is finding enough capable teammembers which makes raids of course more difficult to manage than dungeons where you only need 4 instead of 9.
>>334807714
Yeah, around 80 to 90 minutes is what weekly clears take in Serenity. And that's going pretty much non-stop. It's also much easier to wipe in Mythic HFC than in anything Vanilla, one mistake really fucks you up sometimes, especially if you just go for quick kills without having any backup plans.
>>334808293
>reading is difficult
I'm being extremely specific here. I'm not talking about "completing CMs", I'm talking about competing for times.
Mythic raiding has a decreasing difficulty curve. The boss remains the same, and the players become stronger making it easier and easier.
Challenge modes goes the other way. The faster you try to do it, the more complex it becomes. Your character won't start outgearing the content, so it won't be easier. You're essentially pushing what you're able to do, and the insane pulls you need to survive in order to get a really good time on CMs is a lot harder than a fight like Mannoroth. The skill requirement for each player is also a lot higher. The tank can't press a single button wrong, or he'll die. Same goes for the healer, and the dps has to do perfect in order to kill shit before the tank dies.
Again, I am NOT talking about completing CMs, like you're implying I am. I'm talking about competitive time attacks. The fact that CMs were completed in less than 15 days after WoD released means nothing, because the times they did it in was shit.
>>334808293
Because CM's don't rely on gear grind. It's not a testament to difficulty
>>334808657
To add to this, I don't think CMs are very fun after HFC patch. Soul Cap ruined it, and there's so much luck based on whether or not your dps gets a Soul Cap proc or not so we can cheese a boss.
I feel it removed a lot of the difficulty aspect and added a big RNG aspect.
>>334803684
In defense of vanillatards:
Ladder WoW would be top tier, specially since it bullies minigamers.However, vanilla raids with actually dropping more loot (because lol2piecesfor40 guys) and more mechanics would be >fun
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