You want to know what happened to Halo, these piles of shit happened to Halo.
>ODST
>Not the best in the series
You have some shit taste there OP.
>>334779394
>>334779394
>ODST
>even close to being the best in the series
The only one here with shit taste is you.
Where is everybody?
Don't let the thread die people come on let's make a difference.
3 > 1 > 2 > 5 > 4 > ODST > Reach
>>334779054
odst was the best one you retarded faggot.
>>334782518
>Reach being the lowest
Kill yourself
>why halo is dead
It was a horrible copycat pile of shit from day one.
>>334779054
Because Bungie sold the rights to 343 (the RTS making company who made Age of Empires) who has literally no prior experience in making a game since 1995.
That's why Halo 4 onwards fucking suck.
>>334782518
3 = 2 > 1 > ODST > Reach > 5 > 4
Objective ranking right there
>>334784312
Maybe switch Reach with ODST and you got a perfect list right there
>>334779054
>halo 5
>best MP in the series
>already made millions from req packs
"dead"
Oh and req packs are the best thing ever
Whales pay for my dlc
>>334779054
Post spartan ass.
>>334784370
Fair enough
>>334784312
2 was babbies first halo game so you cant judge it without nostalgia blinding you
>>334779054
>odst
>the game that took away all strengths and turned you into a normal human
>is to blame for the literal power rangers tier shit that halo 5 is
K
>>334783437
>>334783531
Looks like the Bungiefags finally came and joined the party. Your garbage killed the franchise. Halos 1-3 were the best Halo games. But then Bungie had to go all generic and gives shit stain spinoff games that killed Halo's popularity and turned it into a COD ripoff.
>>334783738
bungie never owned the rights to halo in the first place retard
>>334783738
>343
>(The RTS making company who made Age of Empires)
You're so fucking stupid you don't have any right to browse a video game board
>>334784434
Then explain why the campaign in terms of gameplay is the most varied and expansive as well as the multiplayer revolutionizing the console online experience. Was everyone just a child at the time?
>>334784531
They did own the rights to developement.
Next time think, before shitposting you buttblasted mongoloid
>>334784312
>>334784370
I agree with this.
>>3347825184 = 3 = H:O = 2 = 1 > Dewrito > 5
>>334784508
odst had a simple story about regrouping with your mates. the first halo was pretty decent then they went full retard for 2 and then had to find some way to finish it off for 3. also why show legendary ending of halo 1 if its not canon
>>334784612
Samefag samefagging hard at an anon's obvious trollpost.
Also:
> Implying /v/ is the only board on 4Chan
You have no right to post on this site. Now go kill yourself you fucking nerd
>>334784618
Microsoft owns those rights not bungie
>>334784715
Literally, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>334784616
pretty much
>>334784473
It was boring, filled with film grain filter, dudebro marines with shit characterization, it was ripping off other games, made Halo 3 lose first place as the most played game on Xbox Live, and made everyone tired of Halo. Halo was supposed to end with Halo 3 but it just had to be milked to dealth. ODST lead to Reach, which lead to Halo 4. ODST & Reach also lead to the piece of shit known as Destiny.
>>334779394
ODST is the most overrated game on here, its weird how 7 years changes people views on £30 DLC
>>334784715
>spewing a bunch of unrelated chan bullshit in response to a objective fact
Good response anon
>>334782518
Wrong.
Campaign:
1>3>ODST>2>Reach>4>Halo Wars
Multiplayer:
Reach>3>1>2>ODST
Omitted the games that I didn't play.
>>334784863
>Destiny
Bungie is hardly even Bungie anymore.
Overall:
3>2>ODST>1>Reach>4
Campaign only:
ODST>1>2>Reach>4>3
Multiplayer and Custom games:
3>2>ODST>Reach>1>4
>>334785270
Multiplayer and Custom games:
3>>>>>>>>>>>>2>ODST>Reach>1>4
>Fixd
Halo was always on a decline, it's just that people who start on a later game view that one favorably.
>>334784707
ODST storyline was boring as shit, filled with shitty characters, crap jokes, and uninteresting gameplay. The game would force constant firefight moments down your throat like Reach, was short as fucked, and it didn't even end with an epic finale. The only thing I hear from Halo fans on why it's so good is because of atmosphere, music and firefight but the reality is the game put me to sleep due to how boring it was.
>>334785361
>2 (Dead)
Damn right it is. Fucking nostalgia fags. With their unbalanced, half finished game.
>>334785361
3>1>2>reach>odst
Reminder that Halo 2 took a fucking LIGHTYEAR LEAP forward from Halo 1 when it comes to content. Bungie couldn't even top it with Halo 3, but they did refine everything since Halo 2 was rushed. Halo 2 had the largest roster of vehicles, weapons, maps. The campaign introduced the universe to us. Custom games and customization options as well as multiplayer matchmaking in addition to all the gametypes available easily make it the most grand attempt at a Halo game.
>>334785431
>im a turbofaggot and i dont care who knows it
>>334779054
its not dead. just because you dont like it doesnt mean its "dead". fucking idiot
>>334785463
Halo 1s multiplayer was borderline non-existent. And Reaches custom games were all shitty, to the point where the maps that came with ODST + firefight were actually better than reaches multiplayer.
>>334785431
The weapons felt a lot better than 3's.
>>334785580
>Halo 1s multiplayer was borderline non-existent.
Underagefag pls go
>>334785580
firefight is the only redeemable feature of odst and the mechanics in 1 make it better than 2
>Implying it was 2 that killed the series
It's like you children thought multiplayer should be the focus
>>334784931
It really is, I never saw what was really good about the game when it came out it always bored the hell out of me the drama between Buck and Dare made it cringe worthy and worse.
>>334785580
>He never played 2v2 on XBC
>He never enjoyed the PC port in its prime
>>334784312
This is correct.
>>334784508
Bonnie pls you're a disgrace
>>334785630
No infection.
Shitty multiplayer maps compared to every other game in the series.
Possibly the only game with worse balance than Halo 2.
>>334785841
I done both. I wasn't including the PC port because playing Halo on PC is shit.
>>334779394
>I thoroughly enjoy eating huge heaping piles of human shit!
Spoken like a true Marisafag.
Fuck off
>>334785938
>No infection.
Who cares?
>Shitty multiplayer maps compared to every other game in the series.
Nah, they're the best for the gameplay.
>Possibly the only game with worse balance than Halo 2.
It has objectively the best balance in the game.
>>334786004
>in the game.
In the series.
>>334785040
>Reach
>best multiplayer
>ODST
>having a multiplayer
Nice b8
>campaign
3 > 1 > 2 > 4 > 5 > ODST > Reach
>multiplayer
3 >= 2 > 1 > 5 > Reach >= 4
>>334785881
How can I be Bonnie if Halos 1-3 shit on ODST & Reach Newfag?
>>334785525
I'm a Bungie fag who like sucking Bungie's dicks and completely ignore the fact that they got lucky with the Halo Trilogy because none of their shitty ideas that came after Halo 3 was able to surface in the trilogy.
>>334786004
>who cares?
Anyone that wants to enjoy any sort of decent custom game that isn't just a variant of slayer.
>objectively wrong opinion
Objectively wrong.
>Objectively the best balance.
I seriously hope you are joking.
CE is good
Halo 2 is good
Halo 3 is mediocre
the rest are shit
>>334786448
>I seriously hope you are joking.
Every weapon except for the Needler had a reason to exist and could be used properly provided you find the right situation.
But you've probably never played Halo, so it doesn't matter.
>>objectively wrong opinion
>Objectively wrong.
ebin reasoning
>>334785040
>bloom
>active camo and armor lock
>sprinting
>horrible maps
>no ranking system
>good mechanics for multiplayer
>>334786547
Halo 1 & 2 are not good and Halo 3 is not mediocre. Halos 1, 2, and 3 are incredible but you are right about the rest being shit though.
Nah, what happened is it took something primal and relatively simple and over developed it on underdeveloped mechanics.
>>334786763
halo 3 is absolutely worse than CE or 2 for both campaign and the multiplayer
>>334786547
If you think about it, Halo 3 is actually just Bungie having a pick-and-choose of some of the things they added into Halo 2 and cleaning them up. Halo 2 was definitely more grand in every aspect, but it was a development mess. Massive amount of cut content in 2, but also a massive amount of ideas put into it as well
>>334786763
3 is just a worse version of 2. Don't lump all the games together when they're all so different.
>>334786647
Hey, my reasoning is still better than your blatant lies.
>>334786303
Because ODST and Reach didn't shit on Halo as a franchise as hard as Halo 4 did.
>>334786845
>blatant lies.
But I actually played Halo 1. You obviously haven't.
>>334779054
Full retard. ODST and Reach were fine. What killed it was 4 because it tried to emulate Call of Duty. 343 should be burned down.
>>334787027
>reach
>not emulating call of duty
>>334786830
>>334786839
Keep telling yourself that in terms of the trilogy I would go as far to Halo 2 under both CE and 3 in both campaign and multiplayer. Campaign was a rushed, scripted, linear mess and multiplayer was broken. Be happy I put Halo 2 in the same league as Halos 1 & 3 because before the shit stain that came after Halo 3, Halo 2 was the worst Halo game in the series to me.
>>334782518
>3 being the highest in any thread
>>334786975
You could sure fool me.
And being wrong about me having played the game isn't helping your credibility any.
>>334787068
It was still Halo. Did I say it was perfect? No, but it was not the complete mess that was 4.
>>334786947
>Because ODST and Reach didn't shit on Halo as a franchise
Keep telling yourself that mate.
ODST and Reach are absolutely fine.
What happened is 343 took the reins. And 343 is shit.
>>334785808
It had great atmosphere when playing as Rookie. I mean that was really the only good thing cause the characters were annoying and gameplay was ass.
>>334787187
I know you like your games holding your hands for you like a 5 year old bitch, but you don't have to make it known that you are complete shit at video games.
>>334787204
You're still not telling me how Halo 1 had the worst maps and balance.
>>334787232
>It was still Halo
No it wasn't. It didn't even have Halo on the title screen. There was no mention of a Halo until the credits.
>>334787325
Reach was pretty bad though.
>>334787357
>great atmosphere
This is exactly what I said ODST fanboys were going to say earlier. What's next great soundtrack, Firefight?
>>334787387
>waaaah I need to be reminded what game in playing on the title screen
It at least had the Halo theme, unlike every Halo game that followed.
>>334779054
It's not dead, they just renamed it Doom.
>>334787387
Google the Halo 1 maps, so you actually know what you are talking about, and then come back and realize how retarded you are.
And as for balance.
Pistol > all is not good design.
Rng bullet spread is not good design.
>>334787574
>It at least had the Halo them
I don't remember hearing that anywhere.
But it's still what started putting codshit in Halo.
>>334787325
>Reach was fine
>That garbage sandbox balance, bloom, armor abilities
>Sword canceling, the terrible spawn system, the red side advantage on every map, the shit maps in the first place
>No real competitive playlist or ranking system on launch, arena was straight garbage and all the good players abandoned it after season 1
Maybe reach was good if you're a BTB baby but honestly its the worst game in the entire franchise by a wide margin. Shit nigger even BTB was terrible because of the banshee being broken and there being zero good BTB maps. Half assed forge remakes SO GOOD UGHHH.
I would rather play Halo 4 and I really did not like Halo 4 either.
>>334784312
In terms of story, I'd probably put ODST and 1 on par with each other as the only change (maybe having ODST even higher, but I really enjoyed all the Inferno references).
Reach fucked over the book canon so I'm a bit biased though.
In terms of multiplayer, I'd say:
2 > 3 > 1 > Reach (pulling the maps from campaign was pretty bland)
I never played multiplayer for 4/5, it looked super generic though.
>>334787458
Of course people who like ODST are going to mention the good points. You think they should mention the bad ones maybe?
>>334787458
You listed some of the best points for us? Thanks.
>>334787164
You wouldn't have Halo 3 being the game we know without 2 having the additions it did. The game balance and quality may have been a bit screwy but there's no denying it's content puts it up there.
>>334787717
I was thinking about doing 1 = ODST originally anyway
>>334783624
How
>>334787676
>Google the Halo 1 maps, so you actually know what you are talking about, and then come back and realize how retarded you are.
You're still not telling me why they're bad.
>Pistol > all is not good design.
But BR > all is?
But you're wrong. Every weapon had a purpose. Automatic weapons put you into camo faster, the Plasma Rifle froze people, snipers and rockets were snipers and rockets. The AR had the fastest melee with the most forgiving melee range, making it the best for BLBs.
>Rng bullet spread is not good design.
Less RNG spread than any game but 5.
>>334787637
If only.
It somehow looks like Halo 4/5, that is the Halos no one likes, but that's it.
>>334787387
It was almost like it was a game based on the planet Reach from the Halo universe. Woah man.
Even if your stupid argument made any sense, it would still have nothing to do with the GAMEPLAY you tardwich. Halo 4 might as well have been a completely different IP with how little the gameplay resembled previous entries. It was easily the worst $60 I was ever convinced to spend by and for my friends, easily swayed by marketing and brand loyalty as they still are to this day. Before it was out I knew darn well exactly how terrible it was going to be.
>>334784686
>halo online better than dewrito
Nigga their the same thing
>>334787694
You have a shit memory desu.
Also you probably never played CoD. Reach was nothing like it, but I guess it's simpler to claim it was similar to a shitty game than actually checking if it's true.
>>334787836
You aren't saying why they are good.
They are simply less fun, and less competitive than any Halo 2 map.
And if you think the BR is better than everything because its a jack of all trades weapon, yet still try to defend the magnum you are retarded.
All the things you mentioned don't make up for how much better the magnum is. Go watch any match on youtube. I'll wait.
See how much the magnum is used more than every other weapon combined, even when power weapons are available.
>less rng bullet spread
Wrong
>>334787267
Oh fuck off Bonnie
>>334788148
>See how much the magnum is used more than every other weapon combined, even when power weapons are available.
Because its the all rounder weapon of the game.
also the sniper, shotty and rocket launcher are all worth grabbing
along with controlling map powerup spawns
>>334788120
>sprint
>reticle bloom
>loadouts
>slow movement
>not cod
I haven't played a lot of CoD, just Blops 1 & 2. But I did hit Prestige Master and Master Division in League Play.
>>334779054
>Why Halo is dead
'cause using third-person screenies to promote a failed peoples' shitware title
>>334788303
Its the all rounder, thats better in every regard than every other weapon.
Thats not balance.
In any other halo, all the other weapons had actual uses. Not, oh it freezes them which nobody would ever want over the magnums power. But actual uses where you would pick it over the BR.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Zvs3QQq.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
Can we all agree this was the best special edition item?
200 pages of backstory from Dr. Halsey's perspective along with a UNSC patch, clearance cards, DNA tests, maps, and sketches.
>>334786060
ODST had firefight which was multiplayer.
>>334787164
literally anyone who thinks Halo 2 is bad is just garbage at it
>>334779054
never trust sjws and feminists
I miss custom games.
>>334788685
I like Halo 2, and its people like you that make us look retarded. I sincerely hope you dislike Halo 2 and are just trying to make it look bad.
>>334788148
>You aren't saying why they are good.
Burden of proof isn't on me, buddy.
>They are simply less fun
Subjective.
>and less competitive than any Halo 2 map.
Prove it.
>And if you think the BR is better than everything because its a jack of all trades weapon, yet still try to defend the magnum you are retarded.
So it's okay when the BR does it?
>All the things you mentioned don't make up for how much better the magnum is.
Except they do.
>Go watch any match on youtube. I'll wait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfBVeAmaE0Y
2 minutes in, you see a guy drop his Pistol for a Rocket Launcher in order to quick camo, something you couldn't do if you kept the Pistol in your pocket. That alone is something more than you would do in literally any other Halo game.
>See how much the magnum is used more than every other weapon combined, even when power weapons are available.
So it's not bad when other games do that? Even though that's not the case.
>Wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUoVJzkL5es
>>334788236
You fuck off Ross
>>334779054
ODST was ok because Firefight was the best on that one. Reach however was the final nail in the coffin the literal moment Armor Abilities happened.
Multiplayer:
2(without hacks)>1>3>2 (with hacks)>odst>everything else
>>334779054
Halo died after the second game
>>334784378
"Best MP in the series"
You have appalling taste, and I'm sorry for you.
>>334784863
So according to you, whatever precedes shit is responsible for said shit. OK, boss.
>>334789057
The burden of proof is entirely on you. You're making the claim that they're good.
And judging by your next lines, you are never going to admit that you are wrong and continue to ensure that while you aren't right, nobody can prove you objectively wrong.
Its okay when the BR does it because its worse than other weapons in whatever aspect they excel that, but it doesn't truly lack anything.
The magnum is just objectively better than everything else in every situation, except occasionally the power weapons. Which should be better by definition.
No they don't.
Every part of that game was a magnum fest except the one point he picked up a fucking power weapon, not even because it was a better weapon, thanks for saving me the trouble of finding a vid to support my arguments.
It is the case, did you watch your own vid?
And not every other game does it. I've already been through this.
And again, another video showing the pistol is utterly fucking unbalanced when every other weapon is an rng fest.
Who's side are you on?
>>334779054
Yes, it was totally ODST and Reach and not Halo 4 and 343 being idiots who don't know what makes Halo games good.
>>334789057
Hey buddy, take a minute here.
You are defending the Halo 1 magnum.
Think about that.
Its possibly the most notoriously OP weapon, if not OP thing in videogames.
>>334789942
Interesting post, but the magnum has a higher time-to-kill than the BR, as well as lower accuracy and higher damage drop off. At least in Halo 5.
>>334789942
>The burden of proof is entirely on you. You're making the claim that they're good.
No, you started it. I'm not even going to bother responding to your other points when you can't even support your reasoning on this one.
>>334787721
>>334787726
Three fucking things doesn't make a game "the best in the series" when it came to the campaign, missions, story, and character development the game was shit.
>>334788685
I said I originally thought it was bad until the other games that came after 3 were released. still doesn't change the fact that it was the worst in the trilogy.
>>334790156
We are talking about Halo 1 CE's magnum, compared to the BR in other games.
>>334790208
You mean you have ran out of shit to talk.
I mean the fact that halo 2 was THE competitive game pretty much proves me right on its own.
>>334790149
It's difficult to use, and has its downsides compared to every other weapon in the game. Calling it the most overpowered weapon in all of gaming is a gross exaggeration. The only difference between it and the BR/DMR in later games is that it killed faster(along with every other weapon in H1)
>>334790156
>higher time-to-kill than the BR, as well as lower accuracy
Its TTK is faster, and the accuracy is better.
>>334790027
ODST started the decline. I find it strange that ODST was released around the same time as MW2 and that's when Halo 3 dropped to number 2 on Xbox Live because people were pissed at MS & Bungie for ODST. Then Reach came out and lost half the fanbase. When 343 took over people at first were coming back because a new studio was doing Halo after Bungie shit the bed twice. When people saw that Halo 4 kept all the shit Reach had, they dropped off quick because they didn't want to experience that level of bullshit again. After that MCC happened and then we had Halo 5 releasing with barely any content, no split screen and only 3 Chief missions. This is why Halo is dead and it ALL STARTED WITH ODST.
>>334790324
Tha
Halo
1
Magnummm
>>334790316
>halo 2 was THE competitive game
>fact
>autoaim guns
>autoaim melees
>braindead button combos
>barely any powerups on maps
>dumbed-down spawn system
>retarded weapon spawn system
>>334779054
Really because I'm pretty sure the abomination that is halo 4 and then the disaster of MCC ruined halo
>>334790641
See>>334790550
You're welcome
>>334790597
And it still managed to be more competitive due to the sheer retardedness that was Halo 1s weapon balance.
>>334782518
more like 1 > ODST > 2 > Reach
The rest were shit please stop meming.
>>334790783
meming like a faggot
3 > 1 > 2
The rest are shit.
>>334790724
Figures a Halo 2 babby is too retarded to understand the depth of a game that actually takes skill.
>>334790695
Just because ODST and reach did bad things, doesn't mean that halo 4 had to do everything they did bad and add even worse shit as well
Default sprint on everyone
Loadouts with different weapons and grenades
Perks
Armor abilities (see thru walls. Fucking cancer)
Classes
Kill-cams
Killstreaks
Fuck-ugly low res visuals, generic soundtrack
Ruining the perfevt ending to MC's story by bringing him back to save the universe again every game until they stop selling
>>334791019
Never said that 343 should not have followed these games, I said 343 following these shit games is why the rest of the fanbase left. And this was after ODST and Reach killed the other half of the fanbase.
I bet non of you even read the books.
>>334791160
Funny you say that because halo 4 population dropped faster than reachs' and to this day reach still has higher player pop than 4
I remain that 4 is the cancer that killed halo
Reach was bad, but it wasn't fucking terrible garbage like 4
>>334791191
I don't see how this contributes to the current discussion, but I'll have you know that I read most of them, aside from the forerunner trilogy and one other that I don't remember.
>>334791295
The games can suck a big one. They are fun but I'm in it for the story.
>>334784312
Put Reach above ODST and sure.
>>334791491
Too bad the story is ass now
See: the origin of the flood being ancient humans feeding their alien pooches magic spooky space dust until they turn to zombies
>>334791491
Yes, the behind the scenes stuff is the only reason I still have an inkling of interest in Halo. Fall of Reach was amazing. One of my favorite books to date.
Fact
>>334791269
Why the hell do think that happened. If you actually kept up people were already pissed when they found out months ago in Game Informer that Halo 4 was building off Reach. This pissed everyone off, the meltdowns were huge. If Halo 4 and Reach switched places it would be the exact same results but opposite. I gave two shits who made the game, I was pissed to see Reach's garbage back after I dropped that in a month of its release.
>>334791661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocyYwLCDyCU
>>334779054
2>1>3>>>>>trash>>>>>else
>>334791661
Reach is not decent enough to be even on the chart sorry bud.
>>334791721
Reach is still better than 4 though, we aren't disagreeing here as far as I can see. They're both bad, 4 is just REALLY fucking bad
>>334791661
Template have fun. I want to see some spicy graphs
when halo 2 came out it was dog shit. now everyone loves it just like everyone will love reach in another 5 years. i think thats already happening though
halo 1 for the win
>>334779054
>ODST was bad
>he couldnt do the vidmasters
Fite me faggot Ill rek ur boipussy
>>334791661
>halo 3 not transcending the graph
Fake and biased as shit. Multiplayer and custom games in the community were elder god tier.
>>334791890
What did you dislike about halo 2?
Curious because I thought it was the best of the trilogy. Campaign and MP.
>>334791661
>there will never be a decent infection gametype for Halo ever again
ALL THEY NEEDED TO DO WAS COPY IT FROM HALO 3 FOR CUSTOMS, HOW DO YOU FUCK UP SO BADLY 3 TIMES
>>334791989
They were good, but the base multiplayer itself was a step down from 2 in my opinion. Slow ass movement and shitty hit detection ruined it. (Leading BR shots)
>>334791734
Isn't this because the hitscan/projectile comes out of the gun (so it's actually going at an angle) instead of the crosshair?
Speculation but I've noticed this more in modern games.
Reach was great though and only "m-muh multiplayer" idiots disagree.
In campaign armor abilities didn't matter. The maps were varied and big, had great set pieces. The weapons were great especially the new AR. Elites were way better than shitty Brutes. The characters were good as well.
ODST is overrated but has decent atmosphere and music. It should have been more like Reach though: Doing daring missions with your squad of ODST buddies. Instead you fucked about on empty streets and only some of the flashbacks were actually good.
1>3>2 for campaign in the main saga.
>>334792052
Bait
>>334792052
It's my honest opinion, feel free to debate me
>>334791661
More like this
>>334791878
Damn! You beat me to it, I just spend the last 5 minutes in paint...
>>334791878
>>334792136
No
Reach had best custom content, forge mode and sharing, making it the superior sandbox multiplayer experience.
>>334792073
Infection is coming next month m80 in the memories of reach update.
It looks to be the good one where you can actually change weapons and properties
But then again, this IS 343, and they are the best at finding ways to fuck things up
>>334792150
>Halo 4 better than 5
Nigguh Halo 4 and 5 are the same game, 5 just has more content.
>>334790894
>Liking 3
especially when ODST had the only good part of three plus firefight why would you care about 3?
>>334791191
>reading videogame books
Lmaoing at ur life fag
>>334792002
well the campaign was barley on halo. the level design was not as good as the original and fighing brutes was gay compared to elites. i admit the first few levels are cool in their own right but never had that halo spirit
also they removed the iconic pistol and AR. instead we got a BR that required no leading shots and had way to much auto aim. i like the graphics more in halo 1 too
>>334792186
4 shouldn't be above anything
>>334792231
5 has the best forge but worst sharing system. And no splitscreen. 1 step forward, 2 steps back with 343.
>>334792231
lol nothing really better then halo 3. you could morph objects but big deal the level was also ugly and the objects were ugly. halo 3 you could morph due to glitches. even if reaches forge is better, its only a small improvement while halo 3 had forge in the first place
My opinion
>>334792329
Fair enough. Personally, I never thought we should be limited to have the setipieces take place on a halo ring. The story was about the rings already, and we visited one for over half the campaign already. I enjoyed seeing more in-depth look into the covenant from arbiter's perspective as well.
>>334779054
Odst is top tier. Bungies favourite halo to make in fact
>>334792262
What good part, ODST didn't have one good part. Now stop b8ing bitch.
>>334792457
4 did everything reach badly and added worse shit as well
>>334791019
Unless you mean for campaign, in which case I can't say your personal opinion is wrong but I will say that I strongly disagree
>>334791824
Its not though. If your goal is competitive Halo 4 is a better base.
The maps are better. Not great, but not absolutely god awful. Every default reach map is terrible and halo 4 has a few decent maps.
4 doesn't have sword canceling. 4 has more fluid movement and better movement acceleration. 4 does not have egregious skill gap destroying bloom. 4 doesn't have melee warp you into people from five meters away. 4 has marginally better sandbox balance after the forerunner pistol nerf (which took like a week to get fixed where Bungie refused to change reach at all after live) and markedly better balance after the tuning update (But I stopped caring about the game before then and went back to 3).
For the retarded CoD shit you can turn off armor abilities/perks in 4 and reach. The only thing Reach does better than 4 is having de-scoping and the ability to turn off sprint. Also flag juggling.
If I were to rate the two from a multiplayer perspective I would give Pre-TU Reach a 2 and Halo 4 a like 4ish or 5. Post-TU Reach is actually decent but Bungie had fuck all to do with it and the game had no competitive scene left at that point.
Your original argument with that guy was about which of the two destoyed the series and it was most certainly Reach because I was able to first hand experience the competitive community abandon the game for Halo 3 and then never really bother with 4. The fact that halo 5 is actually good and competitive is retroactively soured by the fact that Reach made professional and other competitive players just stop caring about halo altogether.
I will posit that if Halo 4 had come out first it wouldn't have destroyed the series nearly as hard as reach did.
>>334792557
Halo 4 didn't break canon, remove bleedthrough, have armor lock, or used bloom as a fucking clutch, or used campaign spaces for fucking maps, try to turn Halo into a gritty Gears of Wars/COD ripoff, makes it automatically better.
>>334792645
Nigger I wasn't talking about competitive community. That's a fraction of the fanbase. Halo 4 is what killed it for the casuals, the 90% of people who played .
Also, just because you can turn it off, doesn't mean the game is OK. Again, 90% of players will only play in matchmaking, which is where that fucking perk killstreak sprint garbage is.
>>334792645
You're right, people going from halo 3 straight into a game with perks and loadouts, killstreak rewards, and default sprint would somehow be better than going to a game with just loadouts (that only change armor ability, not guns grenades and perks)
Reach didn't have headcrabs so it was the best.
Halo 4 and 5 are GARBAGE
Never have I seen such blatant disregard for a fanbase
Reach did some things well, and others not so well, but atleast Bungie worked their asses off to make it the most user friendly console game out there. They put such detail into that game you could physically feel it once the game started, regardless if you liked it or not
343 is JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI. They release a broken basically alpha state game TWICE (MCC, Halo 5) in search for the shekels. To make up for it, they add microtransactions which affect gameplay and those who buy them have an advantage (just awful).
Then they admit they cater to warzone, but at the same time never make the maps fun or balanced, and instead copy paste other peoples ideas into hastily made maps with no forethought whatsoever. NO variety at all. What the fuck are you doing 343
>>334793703
I agree with most of your points except for halo 5 microtransactions
They're easily the most balanced and non-intrusive I've seen in a game in a very long time. They don't give players with more money an advantage except for in a hypothetical situation where everyone in the game has 0 progress and is level 1, because if you play the game for like a week you get more REQ's thrown at you then you could ever dream of using. I play 2-3 matches every once in a while and I have 30+ of every weapon and vehicle
>>334793259
Correct. Because sprint is less of a travesty in 4 than bloom was in reach and people didn't have an aneurysm over armor abilities, they just disabled them once they got played around with a bit. It would have been the same with the perks.
You would have basically been trading sprint and no descope for not having to deal with bloom, sword cancel, having bleedthrough, and not awful grenade physics, which is a fine trade because bloom alone is what really ruined Reach for a lot of people.
>>334792873
What i don't understand is arguing about 'the casual fanbase' when playing with that fanbase is about as entertaining as playing against easy bots. What did you even want to prove to him? That Reach is a better guest killing simulator?
If you're talking strictly about casuals then it wasn't even reach or 4 that killed the franchise, it was fucking Call of Duty.
>>334787187
Forge changed everything. Custom games were FUN AS FUCK. I will cherish Halo 3 forever.
>>334794239
Competitivefags like you are literally the worst. I don't even disagree with most of your points, you just refuse to recognize that "competitive players" are in the huge minority and competitive settings are never used by 90% of the people who play the game. This alone makes halo 4 10x worse than reach, it's playlist default settings are fucking cancer.
>>334794417
>This alone makes halo 4 10x worse than reach, it's playlist default settings are fucking cancer.
They're terrible in both which is why I think arguing about them is redundant. I would even argue that casual reach is worse than casual 4 because Reach's maps are so terrible (the forge remakes aren't anything like the map they are based off of for example) and and its vehicle balance is straight terrible. You can't even use a warthog without getting team DMRed to death in two seconds.
I don't see what there is for a casual player in Reach thats so much better than 4 aside from Invasion (lol2maps). Perhaps you could enlighten me instead of being so unnecessarily aggressive. If you hadn't noticed the guy you were having your original shitflinging contest with has long since stopped responding.
>>334794886
Look, don't ask me why people prefer reach, they just do. Halo 4 outsold it, yet has a lower population. And my reasoning for why I think halo 4 is lower has already been said.
Both games are bad, halo 4 is just much worse.
>>334784378
there is a threshold beyond which an IP will be successful regardless of quality
Disney
Star wars
Marvel's Movies
etc etc etc
>>334795497
Apparently not, considering how halo 5 was the worst selling mainline halo title at launch yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2xQdzOn60k
>>334795985
>Halo 4 comes out
>shit story
>beyond shit visual design
>shit maps
>custom classes
>perks
>perks that fucked up the grenade economy
>perks that are mandatory if you want the Warthog's chaingun to not suck
>people are very unhappy with this game and 343
>Xbone announced
>it looks shit
>lots of people who play Xbox for Halo now have basically no attachment to the console thanks to Halo 4
>Halo loses a massive chunk of its audience to the PS4/PC
Halo has been tumbling own ever since 4 came out.
>>334779054
Halo is dead because it never had a good core following. It's audience was made up off normies that overhyped the game because of the Xbox. Not surprised they turned away quickly when another game came to the scene (COD4).
2>1>3=Reach>ODST
Despite ODST being the lowest on my list, it is still a great atmospheric game definitely better than 80% of everything else out right now. But yeah, I haven't found myself replaying that too often..
Overall
3>=2>ODST>=1>Halo Wars>4>that phone game>MCC>5
You can't argue against this
>>334800543
Yes I can
5 is infinitely better than 4 simply by virtue of having even start gameplay - no perks or loadouts to spawn with OP rifle or jetpacks or x-ray vision or killstreak ordinance
4 is a literal abomination, it should be at the bottom of every list
>>334779054
halo was never good
>>334784931
>>334785808
>better gameplay than 3
>better story than 3
that's about it, and considering the series has been a downward spiral since reach that makes it the best
![AVGN[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jUywmW9.jpg "AVGN[1].jpg")
>>334786830
>cut features from halo 2
>more than 10 years later
>not a single game or spinoff in the series has custom game matchmaking
![Screen_Shot_2014-06-13_at_7.45.30_AM[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/lOSkE9Q.png "Screen_Shot_2014-06-13_at_7.45.30_AM[1].png")
>>334798575
>sjw completely scrapped the games original story because she didn't like a female charactermy guess is cortana wasn't just pmsing but was outright the villain of the game
>>334791878
I wish they didn't fuck up MCC so bad.
Halo 2 mastered campaign was great tho.
>>334791878
>>334804204
the game part seems low effort, drawing assets from CEA, Reach, 4 etc. but the cutscenes are surprisingly well made as is the OST. I'm really thinking about buying that CD.
>have a modded xbox360
>COD BOII mp players 200
>Halo Reach - 60
Why?
