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He did LITERALLY nothing wrong.
>>334766335
He literally shilled an xpac for a shit game launching in 4 months. Ask your boss why no legacy servers and then kill yourself please.
>>334766419
Spot the Nostcuck. Go back to collecting signatures.
>Champion! You are the Chosen One who must save the world with Illidan, Avatar of Light!
>>334766862
>implying
Kill yourself retard
Male Night Elves are so sexy now.
>>334766335
Illidin-do-nuffin
He did LITERALLY nothing wrong.
>>334766862
Kek, isnt their some massive Blizz cock you should be sucking for a reasonable price of 70 dollars and 15 each month thereafter?
Or have you decided not to leave your garrison yet?
>>334766335
Going insane after losing to Arthas was something wrong.
He should have probably done a little research before almost destroying the world just to take out Arthas. That is, of course, assuming Malfurion was correct about what he was doing destroying the world.
For nostalgiafags there is no other WoW but vanilla.
>>334766335
Is he going to be a good guy or a bad guy when Gul'dan brings him back? I can only imagine he'll be a good guy by the end since they're literally bringing him back because he's the Boba Fett of Warcraft.
>let's make garrisons!
>garrisons make faction cities useless, so let's not even bother with those
>everyone's mad that there's no cities
>nobody likes farmville: WoW edition
>nerf professions to bump up the building count
>now there's literally no friendly interaction
>let's make garrison 2.0: class halls!
Anyone else really excited for class halls?
>>334767075
lol, the old ass armor designs clash really bad with the new models.
Didn't Illidan die at the end of frozen throne?
Does Blizzard just resurrect their characters instead of making new good ones now?
>>334766929
>Not going dagger seal fate
Its like you hate fun
>>334767531
They literally made an entire xpac to resurrect people
>>334767531
Mortally wounded, but he got better.
He legit died to us in Black Temple, but demons always resurrect in the Nether. Illidan got that res.
>>334767531
You really missed out on WoW, didn't you?
>>334767559
daggers are boring, everyone uses them.. or swords
>>334767449
Tell me about it, sucks ass, especially when none of the new Plate armor is skimpy or sexy on males. Shit, the ONLY skimpy Plate legs and chest for males in the entire fucking game are the Talonguard Armor and the Skyfire Greaves and they're BC armor.
>>334767169
>Malfurion
>Ever correct
Yeah, good luck driving the second invasion without the well of eternity and by doing nothing / fucking ysera in the emerald dream for 10k years.
>>334767041
So now that he is the avatar of light is he going to say:
>Feel the LOVE of 10,000 years
>>334767531
Frozen Throne was rushed and Blizzard went on record saying that they wanted to make a full CGI cutscene of that final fight that showed Illidan survived, but they ran out of time.
Kael and that Naga Queen found him half dead after Arthas put on the Helm and took him back to outland, but he went nuts due to his failure and became one of the raid bosses in WoW. After the players kill him Maiev shows up and takes his body back to serve its eternal sentence. Now, for some reason, Gul'dan (from the time travel expansion) has gotten his hands on the body and is bringing him back to life.
>>334767409
class halls are daily quest hubs
>>334767531
Illidan didn't die in TBC. Maiev captured his soul in that box thingy ghost-trap.
>>334767043
>Ask your boss why no legacy servers
Nothing for me to imply, you implicated yourself.
>>334767167
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At least I can play the game I want to play instead of resorting to begging.
>>334767531
His body is technically intact, but his soul is in the Twisting Nether. The Wardens, specifically Maiev, have basically had his body locked up all these years in a crystal.
wow is shit and the reason current MMO's are so stale
also fuck you everquest
>>334767916
>Gul'dan (from the time travel expansion) has gotten his hands on the body and is bringing him back to life.
I think it is because according to the new book illidan have two artifacts from nazera and the legion want them.
>>334767937
and garrisons
>>334767974
>>334767916
>Implying Maiev is not using Illidan as a sex toy for all these years
Tell me anons, is there a term for this specific dillemma?
>The enemy is attacking us because of "X" (where "X" is something important")
>But "X" was the key to drive them off.
>We should get rid of "X" so they never attack us again
>But what if they do for vengeance, or maybe "X" was never their main objective, how do we defend ourselves again?
Cause that is pretty much the whole Malfurion vs Illidan conflict, and illidan has been right so far.
>>334767041
>>334767825
>Illidan, Avatar of Light
With all the alternate character cards that are coming out in Hearthstone right now I wouldn't be surprised if this is one. Maybe he'll actually be playable.
They shouldn't have reworked the zones in Cataclysm
I was so fucking confused what was happening because first Deathwing was involved, then Illidan and the Outlands, then it goes to the Lich King and Northend, and then Deathwing again? What the fuck
I had to lore videos on youtube to understand what the fuck was going on
Why are people still talking about Warcraft lore like it's interesting?
>>334768175
>and illidan has been right so far.
the whole illidan vs furion started because illidan went rogue, stole the dragon soul or some artifact and then went back to kiss azshara corrupted ass. That wasn't right.
>>334768170
>Maiev roleplaying as Tyrande but Illidan is still hating every minute.
I didn't know I needed this until now.
>>334768175
Have you seen Tyrande?
Malf knew that his brother wanted a piece of that ass and decided to cuck him for 10,000 years
>>334766929
>+1% minmax hit/damage talents
Sure is engaging gameplay
>>334768285
Because we have select memories that ignore all the shitty stuff.
>>334768214
Yeah, if only they told you what was happening in game, like in the form of cutscenes, dialogue, or quests
>>334768178
>coming out in Hearthstone
I will give you that light ragnaros is stupid, but light illidan is 100% canon now.
Given that the HS dev team must have legion spoilers (which is supposed to end with an old god), they are actually taking inspiration on wow lore, not the other way arround
>>334768318
That started, but kinda got solved. Illidan creating the new well of eternity (aka, the "X"), was the last straw that got him jailed for 10k years though.
>capital cities from WoD get cut
>finally get a conjoined capital city again
>they're just reusing Dalaran
>b-but there's a FF7 reference in it now!
Hope you enjoy reused assets the expansion yet again.
Emerald Nightmare is mostly reused boss models painted green
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AyiO9-7Wk0
>>334768603
Not to mention illidan was crazy in bc.
>>334768415
>disliking old talent trees
>preferring this new literal dogshit talent """"customization"""" to what was in its place
catacuck detected
>>334768323
There was a picture of them like that posted quite ago, on my phone so i cant post it.
>>334768845
>old talents were """""""""""good""""""""""""
go sign your petition cuck
>>334768834
Getting locked in a very small cage and being raped by one of the most insane yanderes of the world for 10 thousand years usually do that.
>>334768484
>After two minutes of googling
Fair enough, I haven't been on the up and up with Warcraft lore since WC3, mostly just picking up bits and pieces from people complaining or CGI cutscenes.
It's certainly an interesting rewrite of Illidan that he was being a good guy all along, though maybe it's not much of a rewrite because he was always sort of an anti-hero.
>Half of Warcraft lore has boiled down to people not knowing what the fuck Illidan is even doing or who he's working for, even though it's been obvious from the start
>We are legitimately supposed to be surprised that he's in actuality a good guy
>>334768845
not him but new talents were you have 3 viable options that need to be optimized for the type of AoE you're dealing is much more interactive and fun than the typical 31/0/20 we've all become accustomed to. The old talents are so stale and stagnant and just plain cookiecutter.
>>334768968
actually he wasn't crazy because of that he was crazy after arthas beat him outside icecrown.
>>334768968
woah
that's kinda hot
>>334768845
>"""customization""""
>because DPS classes will ever choose damage reduction traits over +5% to hit
also
>hit
>at all interesting or fun
>>334769062
They weren't stale or cookiecutter at all. Current talents don't really allow for any creativity, sure you change them around but the optimal talent options are clear and basically already chosen for you.
Before Nost was shut down new builds were still being discovered/invented to play a 12 year old more efficiently.
The old talent system was appropriate for an RPG where customization options are essential for it to be good. This new system is complete shit.
>>334769012
Maybe more like a quarter, but we all knew he was good when his motivation was "kill Arthas" and he took power from the skull of gul'dan just to save the woods, though Furion was too big of a bitch to accept it.
>>334769467
>Before Nost was shut down new builds were still being discovered/invented to play a 12 year old more efficiently.
And it was only 12yo late to the party.
>>334769467
nah as a person that did play WoW since Vanilla til now I would rather pick up the new Legion talents any day than the stupid pigeon holding cookiecutter bullshit my guild always forced me to pick up.
>>334769304
>because DPS classes will ever choose damage reduction traits over +5% to hit
They might. There were plenty of situations and bossfights where damage reduction was more favorable over raw damage.
Anyone who hates on the old talent system is almost certainly an unimaginative PvE shitter.
>hit wasn't interesting
It kinda was. At least gearing required more though than the homogenized garbage WoW currently has.
>1 of 3 Primary Stats
>Stamina
>1 of 5 Secondary Stats
>1 of 5 Secondary Stats
Woah there's so many options for gearing! This is fantastic for a genre of game based on creativity and character customization!
>>334769304
>hit
stacking your attuned stat is so much more interesting
>>334769818
>Legion talents aren't cookie cutter but old talent trees were
lad wew
As someone who has also played since Vanilla, you're completely wrong.
>>334769856
>Woah there's so many options for gearing!
you clearly never played a Shaman in Vanilla.
>>334769978
Legion talents aren't mandatory cookiecutter talents like Vanilla.
You literally have to prioritize what you want to specialize into, AoE damage or single target dps. There's never a perfect build you have to literally change your talents throughout the course of the raid or dungeon to be optimal for that specific encounter.
>>334768738
>Painted green
You almost had me, anon. Here, have a (You)!
>>334770060
They had more options than they do now.
>>334768738
What's the FF7 reference?
>>334770348
here's your (you)
These are the things I wish would come back.
-all of the cut secondary stats like armor penetration, rebalanced and adjusted so they're not THE things to stack but are still helpful
-elemental resistances, as parts of enchants along with their normal use so you can stack resistances with your preferred enchants
-Hunter Pets' unique damage-dealing abilities (Scorpid Venom, Screech, Monstrous Bite, Ankle Tear, etc)
-debuffs (lower attack, reduce armor, reduce acuracy, reduce attack speed, reduce resistance, increase casting speed, etc)
The little things that allowed for a much more varied game. I honestly doubt anyone complained that much about those things, Blizzard just removed them because they think everyone is retarded.
>>334770214
>pick talent for aoe fight
>pick talent for single target fight
>not cookie cutter
>>334768738
>now
>>334769062
>>334769818
Both talent systems are cookie cutter. Because in a game where's the clear cut better options for some/all scenarios, you ARE going to pick them if you want to do well. Regardless, I used to hate the talent every 15 level premise, but I do enjoy being able to swap talents on the fly for each fight to help my DPS in mythic HFC.
>>334770382
Aeris and Cloud lookalike NPCs, the Aeris is a flower girl, the Cloud is her bodyguard
Aeris has literally been in since Wrath
.>>334770450
>pick the exact same talent build as everyone else in your class, with maybe 1-5 points to stick wherever you want
>not cookie cutter
>make a new mage
>literally spamming frostbolt
>my mana never drops below 99%
>my health regens to full within seconds of leaving combat
WEW
>>334770214
Yes, you change your talents constantly to tackle whatever situation you're in, the choices in talents isn't really up to you though. If icyveins or simcraft calls for a certain build on a certain fight, that's what you use. If you're PvPing, everyone who plays Frost Mage for example uses the same exact talent/glyph set up for each situation.
The new talent system is 7 different options that give you the illusion of choice instead of actual choice.
>>334770382
Aerith: Flowershop Girl from Old Dalaran, Has a BE DK guarding her transmogged out to look like Cloud
>>334770406
>-elemental resistances, as parts of enchants along with their normal use so you can stack resistances with your preferred enchants
god no
>>334770607
>pick the exact same talent build as everyone else in your class, with maybe 1-5 points to stick wherever you want
This is how I know you're a unimaginative casual shitter. Thanks for proving my point.
>>334768858
You should post it when you can friend.
For research purposes
>>334768136
>No work orders
>No professions buildings
>No mining/botany/fishing management
>No boatyard
>Mission table with a much smaller quantity of followers most of which send you out on quests
>>334770624
>the illusion of choice
and you think 1% hit or miss is a real choice in comparison?
>New talents are litterally COD loadouts
>Gee, I wonder why they went with that?
Also, why did they fuck mastery so hard, it was a prime time to create a stat so players could become CC gods, but it just became a shitty proc or flat damage
>>334768845
50% eyes of the beast duration fuck year
>>334767559
My nigga
Shame Cold Blood doesn't hold a candle to Adrenaline Rush.
>BC rolls around
>Mutilate for 3 combo points
>100% Rupture and Slice and Dice uptime with Envenoms out the ass
Oh yes
>>334769467
>new builds were still being discovered/invented
That's so full of shit.
>>334770405
I'm not wrong.
>>334770675
>I don't like the idea of having to go out of my way to get together a set of gear to help me resist fire to delve into the lair of Ragnaros, The Elemental Lord of Fire
I found your problem bud, you hate RPGs. Maybe instead of literally killing WoW, go play a different genre of game like FPS or mobile.
>>334770405
You're a retard, kiddo. I bet you haven't even played Vanilla. Enjoy your time-gated facebook game.
>>334770716
Hey man you have the choice of picking objectively bad talents in the new system too. Your special snowflake build can be done in either iteration. The point i'm trying to make is that no choice is better than the illusion of choice.
>>334766929
assassination or bust brah
>>334770742
>and you think 1% hit or miss is a real choice in comparison?
Talents like that were a huge minority amongst the other talents that completely changed the way your class and its abilities functioned.
You're literally going out of your way to paint the older game in as bad of a light as possible. Why?
>>334770872
>I like the idea of pointless stat because that's rpg
dunno I guess you should stick to jrpgs
>>334770892
Literally played Resto in Vanilla raids and Enhancement in PVP. The gearing was god awful and you fucking know it.
That's only to level 15. After that it's back to normal and you can OOM and die.
>>334771024
because fuck you and your manatide totem, fuck Stormstrike being a 31 point talent, it's all shit in hindsight deal with it.
>>334771024
>Talents like that were a huge minority amongst the other talents that completely changed the way your class and its abilities functioned.
every hit rating talent was mandatory.
>old talents vs new talents
The only thing I'll say is that to this day I still see people arguing and discussing Vanilla Warrior talents.
Today its just "uh should I take avatar or bladestorm?"
"Bladestorm"
Can't speak for Legion talents but when I was leveling a priest during WoD the lower level talent choices were garbage. It was shit like improved Fade and Shadowfiend. PvP tier shit that affected mobility and was boring as fuck.
>>334768415
>not enjoying having something to look forward to every level
face it nerd, your game is shit now
Best Alliance DK?
>>334770729
Can someone explain to me why the fuck missions were not scenarios? It would have been so damn easy to combine them. Sure, we would have gotten fewer missions, but for gods sakes it's actual gameplay
>>334770897
There were builds that deviated from what was "cookie-cutter" that were still optimal and viable. That's the point. The new system is "pick the correct talents/glyphs or do worse".
>>334771269
I wish we had MoP scenarios back but maybe I have brain problems. These new scenarios are literally just quests called scenarios for some reason.
>>334771269
they do, like the Vortex Pinnacle one where you recruit an Air Elemental champion.
>>334771269
>Can someone explain to me why the fuck missions were not scenarios?
because memers hated scenarios even if they were superior to dungeons in every single possible way.
>>334771359
Scenarios were great.
>>334771187
Where in my post did I say they weren't?
>>334766335
>Reconstituting the Well of Eternity right after the first one nearly lead to the destruction of Azeroth
>Somehow not a bad thing to do
It's time to stop posting, Illidan.
>>334771324
There is no such thing as more than one optimal build. More than one viable build sure, but viability is subjective. You can make 'viable' builds in the new system too without a huge loss.
>>334771068
>be attacked with elemental attacks
>have option to reduce damage form elemental attacks
>"hurr I think it's useless take it out of the game because I alone determine what should and shouldn't be"
>>334771452
>There is no such thing as more than one optimal build.
There absolutely was.
>>334771425
>Reconstituting the Well of Eternity right after the first one nearly lead to the destruction of Azeroth
You can't blame the well for that it was aszhara and her fag servants.
>>334771525
Yes is useless if you want to reduce damage use cooldowns. Now you're going to say hit raintg was fun and engaging.
>majority of all Vanilla problems were fixed in TBC
>gearing itemization was fixed in TBC
>spec viability was fixed in TBC
>they've essentially just be butchering the game after TBC ended
Most of these changes to classes every expansion seem to just be for the sake of change. They barely fix anything and just make more problems
>>334771626
TBC had its own butchering with arenas and flying.
>>334771068
You are why they dumbed down stats so far so every class just has to worry about unga bunga stamina and unga bunga (insert stat for role here) for literally everyone
>>334771425
>9/11 happens
>People die
>Lock up anyone that builds towers
Ya, the well was the problem
>>334771626
>shamans didn't get usable aoe until the end of cata
kek
>>334771608
That's why I said it's existence led to it, not that it caused it.
The existence of a source of power of that magnitude in a fantasy setting will literally always lead to bad people using it for bad things.
Stats were always shit back then it was strength/Agi/Int/Stam, and spellpower if you were acaster, today its still shit, with ilvl+your 2 BiS secondary stats being ally ouneed to focus on
It was procs and fun trinkets and the RNG god blessing you for that high damage crit+hand of justice proc or sword/mace spec procs.
Like fucking POM pyro
And stats weren't everything either, rogues could stunlock you to death with a level 1 dagger, gear on a rogue was just HP buffer so you don't die to a group of enemies.
WOW back then wasn't purely about stats, class balance (With the expection of warriors who balled way too hard out of control) was about countering one spec with another.
>>334771626
talents were still poo. The only masked the scent of the shit with the additional talent points available.
>>334771727
>You are why they dumbed down stats so far so every class just has to worry about unga bunga stamina and unga bunga (insert stat for role here) for literally everyone
And there is nothing you can do about it. Wait you could sign a petition!
lmao
>>334771608
By your logic they should entirely remove gear. It's all useless stats and it's such a grind to have to go and get. It's not really fun and engaging so let's just remove it so you only need to play for 15 minutes a week instead of 30!
>>334771221
I don't like new talents because you get choices way further apart and they aren't any better than vanilla
>hey should I get the talent that improves my role or the obvious healer talent
>"the one that benefits you"
or
>hey what gimmicky movement speed option should I take
>"who the fuck cares faggot"
>>334771923
>By your logic they should entirely remove gear
They are removing pvp gear so we are almost there anon.
>>334771725
>arenas
>butchering
bitter rival shitter detected
Seriously considering going back, which faction isn't shit?
>>334771803
My only problem with chance on hit stuff was that it didn't give you what the chance was. I love gimmicky shit like that but I'm not going to gamble on it when that sword might be a 0.5% chance to do that. My autism won't let me, anyway.
>>334771923
>tfw gear has no aesthetic value anymore
>it's just literally numbers
>and it's even less numbers than they had in Vanilla
>>334771608
How about we remove stats entirely. And remove all of the armors and weapons and gaining levels, since they serve no purpose other than inceasing stats.
>>334772006
If you think Arenas weren't a giant shitshow in TBC, you clearly never played during that time.
>>334771890
>talents were still poo
(You)
>>334772087
>considering going back
For what reason
>>334771923
>>334772107
>you can raid since day one
>is about skill and not gear
that would be nice
>>334772006
Arenas were shit.
Its why the game will never be balanced, you can't balance 3v3 with 9 (Now 11, soon to be 12) classes, with 3 specs each.
Arenas just became comp stacking faggotory, BGs were also bad, but not -as- bad.
They really needed to create a world PVP system that wasn't dildos, still suprised they haven't turned the old world into one giant PVP capture the city game like planetside's lattice system.
>>334772198
>This is the type of person that neo-WoW appeals to
>>334771963
and then 90% of people just pick the spec that sims higher, there's no tradeoffs to make when you can change it instantly
>>334772130
nothing changed besides masking the problem by giving us a new tier of choices deeper down the path.
>>334772253
>i need my special gear to feel better about my shitty life
lmao @ you
ill only bother with this if blizzard actually continues with warfcraft 3's story of illidan.
>>334772205
>you can't balance 3v3 with 9 (Now 11, soon to be 12) classes, with 3 specs each
you don't need perfect balance for it to befun
RIP
Why do MMOs even have you level anymore? I like the WoW style endgame focus in most MMOs but the leveling seems entirely pointless. If they scrapped that and just had progression at a base level instead of using all their resources on things involved in leveling then you wouldn't have a content problem for a very long time.
Alright ITT we think of the next expansion as Acti-Blizz would make it
>Lich King comes back
>maybe some time travel shit
>frosty icecrown garrisons
>more ability pruning
>new class is necromancer
>>334772316
>old talent trees were shit
that's where you're wrong bud, did you not see me btfo your arguments earlier on in the thread? old talent trees are confirmed amazing, new ones are confirmed shit.
>>334772472
>Lich King comes back
lich king is back in legion but he's a good guy, his dks are the new world police.
>>334772442
Because leveling actually used to be good
Now it's just Blizzard trying to shit you through the system until you are max level so you can get bored and have to wait infinity months for the next content patch
Why is Blizzard so slow at doing anything?
They keep saying every expansion that they have more people working on WoW than ever before, yet content is slower and slower.
wtf is going on
>>334772472
Legion already has new lore setup that Nerzhul still lives on in the Lich King's helmet, and is slowly corrupting Bolvar.
Lich King 2.0 slowly on the rise.
>>334772440
Those are actually interesting. Where those going to be in the game? Oh god why did this happen
>>334767075
>those child bearing hips
>>334772520
literally nothing you said is valid. Old talents are literally relics of the past that did not promote any real creativity or diversity whatsoever.
>>334772636
>Legion already has new lore setup that Nerzhul still lives on in the Lich King's helmet, and is slowly corrupting Bolvar.
thats wrong
>>334772472
>Player-character is now a Titan
>Classes homogenized into a single ability bar
All they did with the new talents is cut out 14 points of passive talents you could have used to mitigate your lack of secondary stats that your class needs to function
Only like 3 talents that actually do anything significant for your spec out of the 15 or so to choose from
>>334772472
>cut specs from lock and DK to make the necro class
>only one raid tier
>5 dungeons + one in a patch
>ICC is a catchup zone with no quests, only dailies/assaults
>dalaran is the only city
>>334772330
HAHAHAHA
>>334771626
>Spec viability was fixed in TBC
Not if you were a pally. It was improved, but Ret wasn't raid-viable until Wrath, and Prot didn't even get a direct taunt until then (You had Avenger's Shield which basically did the same thing though.)
>>334772670
>Old talents are literally relics of the past that did not promote any real creativity or diversity whatsoever.
you didn't actually play the game with old talent trees. you're literally a teenager mopbabby shitposting on 4chan.
>>334766335
he was insane, he wanted to destroy the lich king by destroying the earth
>>334772624
Leveling was "good" because it was still relatively fresh. Quest grinding was a chore, it had charm sometimes but the majority of the time you just wanted it to be over. People are tired of it now. If anything leveling has improved in MMOs, but not enough to buy back people's interest.
Scrap leveling, put that massive amount of resources into developing more interesting classes, more actually meaningful content, better items, etc. RO-faggots complain that
>Why do you visit this area and then never visit it again?
And as much as I hate those rose tinted fucks they make a point, but not the way they mean to. If you're making an endgame focused game, you shouldn't have reason to revisit old zones, you just shouldn't have those zones to begin with. They're pointless.
>>334772820
most raid groups had a ret just for the aura and prots were the aoe tank kings in bc.
>>334772820
>needing taunt
The indirect taunt was still able to be used for tank swaps and was better in every way if your healer drew aggro.
It was just awful to use requiring cast on target's target macros.
>>334772820
Why do Paladins need a taunt?
Hopefully it takes longer to level this time.
It's shit being halfway through a zone and being overlevelled, especially when they expect you to finish all the zones for flying
Nothing's a bigger drag than having to do all the quests in a zone 8 levels below you when you're max level with tier gear
>>334772831
>resorting to shitposting
How fucking pathetic can you get? I've been playing since a week after Vanilla launched. Been a Resto raid healer (more like a mana battery for my party) and a poorly geared Enhancement Shaman in PVP (our PVP set didn't even have a full on melee stat set, it had elemental pieces mixed in). Talents were literally filler where all it was really about was hitting important nodes for must have talents,
>>334770897
There are a lot of "objectively bad" talents in retail most of the time there's a lot of choice and you can change your talents to be what you would enjoy
What went wrong?
Why did blizz become so greedy after stark craft 2??
>>334773076
Sparkle Pony.
>>334773076
Because it isn't Blizz anymore.
>>334767157
Well it's not like he's in charge of business decisions in the company
>>334773076
Activision
>>334767952
didnt she state that "there will be no prison for you this time"?
>>334773002
>Talents were literally filler where all it was really about was hitting important nodes for must have talents
And it still allowed you to exercise creativity whereas current talent trees don't.
>>334772970
the macro was super simple and worked perfectly
>>334773287
>no argument left
looks like we're done here.
>>334773235
She didn't know he was a full demon back then.
>>334772926
At least holy were the buff/STH kings.
>>334772987
PROT paladins needed a taunt. They got one in TBC, an indirect one. It'd attack enemies, hopping to 2 other ones nearby, and silenced them if I recall, haven't played prot pally in ages though. They didn't have shit in vanilla so as such if you tanked as one you got laughed out of PvE. Only good prot pally I can think off off-hand really was Zalgradis, and he only rolled prot to not get shit on by rogues. And he was a PvPer, not a PvEer.
>>334773363
It's an argument that you have yet to disprove.
I haven't played since Ulduar in Wrath. Should I resub? I've heard it's pretty awful now but I don't know whether to believe the nostalgia cucks or the blizzard shills
>>334773473
That wasn't the taunt, that was avengers shield.
They got the one that you cast on an ally and 4 targets attacking them would be taunted to you.
>>334767531
In fairness they implied he lived in TFT, but just fucked up
>>334773287
You literally know nothing about the current talent trees if you truly believe that. You can completely change your play style. And legion is doubling up on that.
>>334770716
youre just proving the fact you never did serious pve or pve and then you go on to call others casual...
did YOU even play vanilla
>>334773734
Current talents have such huge disparities between then in almost every tier that it would be foolish not to take the best one which is usually a very clear choice.
>>334773528
He has several times, as have many others, you ignored it and keep claiming the old sstem was better simply because it was first and nostalgic..
>>334773734
>You can completely change your play style
You can easily change your playstyle with old talent trees. The difference is you had 71 talent points in Wrath compared to 7 now.
71 > 7
Customization is key to a good RPG, current WoW allows for literally zero thinking outside the box and creativity.
>>334771241
>every level
confirmed for never playing WOW at all
>>334773796
>youre just proving the fact you never did serious pve or pve and then you go on to call others casual...
I've done plenty of serious pve/pvp, and I did play Vanilla
>>334773920
>nostalgic
nice meme
>is a vanillafags refuse to believe talents were cookiecutters episode
lol
>>334770872
No fuck you, everyone getting gear way under level just so they had enough FR for Rag was fucking stupid.
Why is Metzen so obsessed with making Orcs and Illidan true dindus?
>>334774008
You really couldn't. You would get laughed out of the raid if you didn't use the cookie cutter build which objectively provided the highest DPS output. Where as now there are actually choices on which talents to pick based off the encounter you are going on.
>catababbies never played with real talent trees but will shit on them anyway
weew
>>334774186
He's a huge fag.
>>334774129
Sorry kiddo, molten core wasn't very serious.
>>334773734
>You can completely change your play style
rofl
>>334774214
>Where as now there are actually choices on which talents to pick
>You really couldn't. You would get laughed out of the raid if you didn't use the cookie cutter build which objectively provided the highest DPS output.
If you had a shit build, yeah. Plenty of routes could be taken to achieve a non-shit build.
>>334774165
Oh gee, it's not like that wouldn't be the case now since they can do it in a different way. Why do you fucktards never actually think about this shit and always scream "IT WAS THIS WAY BEFORE AND IT WAS SO BAD I CANNOT CONCEIVE OF ANY OTHER WAY BEING DONE WITH IT!!"?
>>334766335
Every one is a dindu nuffin now in WoW. Is there anyone who did something wrong? Those evil racist humans?
>>334774368
Now I'm convinced you either didn't play vanilla, or didn't get past MC. Looks like we're done here, i'll go chalk up another tick mark on my internet arguments won board.
>>334774368
>route
no matter what "route" you took it was all the same, you either got invited to raid for having the mandatory tier talent like Manatide Totem or you didn't get invited at all.
man
3 raid tiers....
>>334774129
>i was a glad and a ebin heroic raider with my special snowflake build
yeah youre not fooling anyone that ACTUALLY played during those times
>>334774320
Raiding was never serious, ever, it was the grind that made everyone jaded elitists, but raiding has never -ever- been hard, its just getting enough people together who aren't on toasters or aren't functionally retarded.
The only thing they've done to raids in the passed 10 years was remove the grind, thus the sense of accomplishment when you actually did kill a boss for the first time.
Killing Hakkar, Rag, Nef for the first time was thrilling, farming Archimonde H to kill Archimonde M is fucking boring.
>>334774214
>Where as now there are actually choices on which talents to pick based off the encounter you are going on.
So you HAVE to use a particular talent for a particular encounter do you? Sounds like you have no choice at all.
And also, if you're continually changing your talent to fit the situation, without any cost, what is the point of having talents at all?
Daily Reminder that Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong
Daily Reminder that Thrall Cheated in the Mak'Gora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC-ol6xY5zQ
>>334774660
whats that actual numbers from 5.4 and 6.2?
the graph is so poorly laid out you cant tell
>>334774165
No it wasn't, it was dope as fuck hunting specific pieces of gear from remote locations.
>>334769856
>Anyone who hates on the old talent system is almost certainly an unimaginative PvE shitter.
Nice projection, but I'm a Glad+R1 RBG and the old system was shit
I loved it when I played it, but I'm sure as hell glad they evolved, especially since you can swap talent in arena prep
>60 unique posts with 2/3 of the people shitting on it
reminder that only blizzard employees try to shill this game.
>Illidan is a "good guy" now for whatever reason
>goes to find Tyrande expecting to be redeemed
>as he approaches the palace he can hear her getting pounded out and screaming Malfurion's name
>>334772087
Well the cancerous part of the Alliance, the 14 year olds, left years ago. The Horde are STILL full-on "ferr the herd" despite having nothing to show for it anymore.
I play both, but these days I lean more towards Alliance. But really it matters on the server.
>>334774768
>what is the point of having talents at all?
you can't change in combat and certain talents completely revamp your dps rotation and priorities.
>>334774660
2 actually
>>334774594
>Manatide
pruned :^)
>>334774785
How can you cheat in a fight to the death? Thrall won because he was stronger.
>>334774838
are people actually shilling ITT? I can only see people arguing over the old/new talent systems
>>334774660
>>334774660
>lets charge $10 more for WOD but we'll give them more content
>just kidding
>>334774689
I actually was an ebin heroic raider with a special snowflake build, I did very well with it because you could exercise creativity with your talents and still be viable.
>>334774923
>revamp your dps rotation and priorities.
That's not really an engaging part of gameplay anyway so who gives a shit about that, and also it doesn't really anyway.
Try again.
>>334774974
Mak'gora has rules, and thrall broke them. The elements want nothing to do with him now
>>334775023
>as great of a launch and WOD
oh god is this cunt for real?
>>334775076
you must be trolling.
>>334774974
i bet you play a rogue you honorless faggot
>>334774974
he cheated
>>334774956
that's because majority of classes do not have mana as a secondary resource anymore.
>>334775113
>Mak'gora has rules, and thrall broke them.
No he didn't.
>Thrall loses in hand to hand combat
>Oh well looks like you beat me, now I'm going to kill you anyway!
>>334774214
you're the kind of kid I shit on in arena with my 20/21/20 spec
>>334774826
Not when I had to wait for 39 other assholes to get it too.
>>334774496
They did do it another way. They called it Resiliance.
>>334775240
>he didn't.
he did, do you even know what a makgora is?
>>334775132
Hmm? That's not an argument.
>>334775304
>Both sides need a witness
>No one was there for Garrosh
>>334775113
>The elements want nothing to do with him now
which is a huge asspull for the elements to give a fuck about garrosh or mak'gora or something that happened in the AU, all so metzen can write another fucking redemption arch but about thrall
>>334775210
>>334775113
There's no rules about using the elements, the 2 rules that were broken were witnesses and armor, which Garrosh also broke.
The elements really are just reflecting Thrall's self doubt, because he keeps blaming himself for killing his best friend's son even though he was his father figure.
>>334775304
He didn't mate. Try a little critical thinking.
>WoD is good guys and legion will the best expansion ever!
you shills are 2 funny
Blizzdrones need to fuck off. Literal Barneyfags.
>>334775329
what you posted earlier was not an argument. The variety in playstyle options from simple talent choices are much more interesting and diverse than your typical shit talents of the past.
Try again Nostalriacuck.
>>334767916
Gul'dan isn't and can't bring him back to life. He's going to do something related to fusing with some objects of power, Illidan himself is stuck in the Nether unable to return to his body.
>>334769062
>3 viable options
Good joke, it's one you pick all the others times and 1 you pick on a certain boss and one completely useless one.
Nostcucks need to fuck off. Literal Barneyfags.
>>334775464
>those posts
Every time it's always the same
Nobody ever learns
>>334775416
>when you come into a thread to shipost and dont read anything
nobody is even talking about the expecs you dense cunt
>>334775468
>The variety in playstyle options from simple talent choices are much more interesting and diverse than your typical shit talents of the past.
Not an argument.
>>334767671
Go beat illidan in the BT again retard, Maiev shows up and imprisons him again.
>>334772820
>Ret wasn't raid-viable until Wrath
Alliance players please leave
>>334775402
>critical thinking
You mean "Oh I'm going to die! Better cheat and use magic to win!"
>>334775652
Not an argument? You mean your lack of one? Varying up a DPS rotation and priorities is literally one of the primary factors of this game. It's pretty much Dance Dance Revolution for your fingers. If you wanted your rotations to never have variety or change you must be such a fucking boring and 1 dimensional player.
>>334775240
>>334775304
>the Enhance shaman artifact quest is literally about Thrall losing the right to Doomhammer because the elements are pissed off that he cheated a Mok'gora
>NUH UH
>>334775745
Nope.
>I'm going to die
>Ok you win
>makgora is now over
>now I can crush you with my immense power that obviously makes me superior to you
Everyone talks about "content". Is WoW actually any fun? Do people pay the subscription fee + $30 an expansion just to look at new 3D models?
Malfurion in a nutshell:
>No illidan, you cant break that crystal in an abandonned continent to kill the ruler of the undead. IT WILL DESTROY THE WORLD.
10 thousand years before
>Do you see that ocean of extremelly condensed magic energy that goes as deep as the core of the earth and pretty much fuels all life we know? We should totally detonate it.
>>334775881
>Ok you win
>makgora is now over
Things that never happened.
>>334775823
>Varying up a DPS rotation and priorities is literally one of the primary factors of this game.
Gee I wonder why everyone left lol
>>334775728
>Playing a belf for anything other than a caster
Nigger, please they look shit as anything that isn't one. IF > UC any day of the week.
>>334772820
>Ret wasn't raid-viable until Wrath
Are you unfamiliar with Seal of Blood?
>prot didn't get a direct taunt until then
prots filled the role of of tanking large groups of enemies. Consecreation was their aoe taunt. They also had an indirect taunt
>if all the classes don't have the same cookie cutter skill they're not viable.
Doors that way
>>334774765
if you really think farming is the issue, then join a world first guild where you will regularly kill bosses 10-20 ilevels under the suggested number.
>>334775893
When we talk about content.
We talk about an utter lack of it.
Gameplay is the key to any good game, and WOW lacks severely in gameplay content.
>>334775928
It doesn't need to be explicitly stated anon.
DPS Fun Rankings
Enhancement Shaman
Gladiator Warrior
Frost Mage
Demonology Warlock
Unholy Death Knight
Subtlety Rogue
Beastmaster Hunter
Assassination Rogue
Feral Druid
Survival Hunter
Fury Warrior
Arms Warrior
Elemental Shaman
Windwalker Monk
Frost Death Knight
Combat Rogue
Retribution Paladin
Affliction Warlock
Destruction Warlock
Marksmanship Hunter
Arcane Mage
Fire Mage
Shadow Priest
Healing Fun Rankings
Mistweaver Monk
Restoration Druid
Discipline Priest
Restoration Shaman
Holy Priest
Holy Paladin
Tank Fun Rankings
Protection / Gladiator Warrior
Brewmaster Monk
Blood Death Knight
Guardian Druid
Protection Paladin
Is this accurate?
>>334775893
at least two and a half million people do if projection is correct
>ywn run BT for the first time ever again
>>334770729
>no work orders
You're literally wrong
>>334775893
its the same as any other game. Fun can be had and disdain can be too. I came back after 16 months to play some pvp with some friends and im finding it enjoyable again but when I left I would have told anyone who asked to avoid the game at all costs
>>334775909
So you're the kind of person that doesn't learn anything in 10 000 years?
>>334776028
>game confirmed that he cheated
>lol no you don't get it
ok
>>334775909
In fairness, the first time it was to kill satan
>>334775830
have you read the quest text? He never confirms the source of the mysterious loss of power. The elements are "silent" and he keeps on blaming himself like a mad man.
It's more mental and about self doubt than actual "rule breaking" that the elements care about.
Even in the WotLK pre-launch event Thrall used plenty of elemental magic in the ring and there was no consequence. It's the insane self doubt and PTSD he has from killing his best friend's son.
>>334776032
>WW not at the very top
>mage even on the fun list
nah that list a shit
>2028
>Playing Wow: The wrath of Sargeras.
>Last wow token expired
>dont have 4,3 billion gold to buy a new one
>Have to buy a weekly pass with my MAGAbucks
>60 dollars for a week long subscription
>Have to run Sargeras raid 3 times a.day for the next 14 months, when EA-ACTIVISION-UBISOFT-BLIZZARD will release the next expansion:
>Titans of Draenor, an alternative world where the Arch-Titan Thrall was actually corrupted and evil.
>>334776035
>projections
>diminished number that fits my prescribed idea of what WoW subs SHOULD look like based on my dissatisfaction with the game and my desire to push the nostalrius agenda
f i x e d
>>334775881
>>makgora is now over
It's over either when thrall submits or dies, neither of which happened. And no, getting your face punched repeatedly doesn't mean you submit and give up.
>>334766335
Literally never played a Warcraft game (apart from some WC2 like 20 years ago, but can't remember jack shit).
Can someone give me a TL;DR of the plot of WoW and the main characters? I'm thinking of trying Legion, but playing WoW right now I feel like the backstory is just too overwhelming for a beginner to get a grasp of.
>>334772820
Ret was viable if you were a blood elf because then they were only doing mediocre damage instead of tank damage. But you were supposed to think of them as raid utility like dps shamans, moonkins and shadow priests. But their utility was only 8 points of commitment to the tree so two holy paladins could basically cover just fine assuming they weren't shit. Or a prot pally because you probably had one by SSC.
>>334775970
As I said, I haven't played prot in a fuckass long time. I mostly roll rogue and mage, and even when I roll a pally it's always Ret.
>>334776204
Windwalker in Legion looks like shit compared to how it was in WoD.
>>334776146
>game written by an autist who probably takes story ideas from the fans
lol
>>334776267
>TL;DR of the plot of WoW
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHA
>>334775992
Thats the point.
Its no longer about getting everyone kitted out and potioned up for bosses to finally kill the fucker, its about herding a bunch of people to not stand in the blue spot, not the red spot, and various other mechanics they've copy pasted since vanilla,rarely do we ever see a unique or interesting mechanic, I think the last one they did was zone phasing where portions of the raid get teleported to a room with a mob to kill, and that was made in BC, otherwise its the same spin on the "stack here, spread out, cure the debuffs" game its always been.
>>334776032
I dunno about ele being that low. You're pulling less dps than literally every other class except bm hunter but man, is casting those chain lightnings fun.
Meanwhile
>one of the first, if not the very first race on Azeroth
>had empires spanning the entire world
>empires fell apart after the sundering and due to war, plague and famine
>faggot elves tried to make them leave
>tells them to fuck off
>elves cry to their Alliance butt buddies
>run the Amani over
>cut out his eye to add insult to injury
>has to cut off his own arm to escape
>with the help of the primal gods, starts rebuilding an empire and gaining power to preserve troll land
>other trolls fucked up and were making deals with blood gods and being retards
>a bunch of mongoloids kill him for shiny pants and a bear mount
Trolls are the true DINDU NUTHINS
Zuljin literally did nothing wrong. Literally
>>334776204
Windwalker isn't that fun mostly because you're required to keep tiger's palm and rising sun kick up
>>334776317
>my retarded headcanon is real because I say so
lol
>>334767916
>surviving a fight against Frostmourne, the blade that steals your soul if it fucking touches you
>surviving a fight against Frostmourne, the blade that steals your soul if it fucking touches you, after getting sliced across the chest deep enough to almost bleed out
I never accepted this from Blizz. Not back during WC3, and not now.
>>334776032
I'd put Ret Pally up a bit. After they introduced that extra hammer move it's created some neat proc setups for them
>>334776307
oh I wasnt aware we were judging the classes on an alpha only a handful of players have access to...
>>334776381
>not admitting that headcanon is legitimately better than this awful tripe you call writing
lol
>>334776325
Come now anon, surely there are some major players and factions in the plot of WoW and its expansions. I'm just looking for broadstrokes here. I don't want to spend days on the wiki just to have enough background to play Legion.
>>334776484
I don't care about your headcanon kiddo and well at least now you can admit that he cheated.
Do the elements even give a fuck about anything? Isnt implyied that shamans are borrowing the power of lesser elementals, which are at best neutral like Therazane, at worst chaotic like fucking Ragnaros?
>>334776267
theres some videos on youtube that are like 2 hours combined that smash through the story really quickly
>>334776564
Nah, he didn't cheat. You can't cheat in a fight to the death.
>>334776202
we're gonna get another Call of the World-Shaman quest like in 4.2 aren't we
>>334776443
>G-guys blizzard will surely change core gameplay mechanics!
Just like they listened to all the class feedback in the past right? Oh, wait.
>>334776612
He did and like I said your headcanon is shit
I know they;re fucking hard to make.
But if Nost proved that the same tried old formula can work in todays' enviroment, why doesn't someone else just create an open world focused MMO that isn't shit? Like there is litterally no competition in the MMO market right now, the only thing that has come close to competing with WOW was WOW in its purist form.
>>334776581
the elements turned thier backs on the orcs when they were corrupted by mannorths blood.
Im not sure if they ever reconnected with them at all. Surely some lorefag would be able to tell us
>>334774660
Misleading since it doesn't show which patches include actual content. 6.1 may have been the shittiest patch of all time.
>>334776443
The class info from the alpha is easily available to everyone and the topic of the thread is Legion.
>>334776612
>You can't cheat in a fight to the death.
I guess someone should tell the Baine and his people that poison on your weapon is okay then, since that's okay.
>>334776702
because that would cost money.
>>334776694
Nah he didn't. You can't cheat in a fight to the death.
>>334774186
Meth is a helluva drug
>Pre-order now and get Demon Hunter early!
Fucking excuse me?
It's like saying
>We know WoD doesn't have any content, so we'll sell you some of the new expansion's content to play in the meanwhile.
>>334776716
Almost every expansion had -that- patch though.
WOD's was just retarded because it lasted so long.
>>334776810
You can and he did.
The Gamergate fiasco, shows the antisocial nature of the worst of the gaming community.
Those people would not even know h-o-w to be socially appropriate (and I don't even mean by Ms. Manner's level, just the basics).
Mark my words the most successful next-gen MMO will have to TEACH gamers the very basics that was once assumed parents taught their kids, or solo play will be the only interaction games can offer as those hordes become more violent and ugly (because no one accepts responsibility anyway).
I personally didn't mind WoD because it removed the asshats and trolls from the gaming experience, and offered folks other means to socialize (like opening garrisons to visitors). Now if we can get housing that is permanent and more about being a trophy hall experience, things would gel just fine.
Game developers expected people to act appropriately, but they are learning that if the schools don't teach the morals/ethics, and their parents don't -- and they're anti-religious -- this mess is the result.
Why?
Who wants to pay to be abused?
Who wants to wait on asshats and trolls to face pull?
That's why there's a bleed of players to those cute Facebook/phone games. No asshats, trolls and min/maxers to spoil your game session.
Until antisocials learn how to properly socialize with people, MMOs will decline as a social experiment as it takes responsibility, top/down, to make a community ... you can't let the community run itself.
>>334776772
That wasn't a fight to the death. And neither of the combatants were aware anyway.
>>334776673
what are you even talking about? Put down the crack pipe and connect the dots anon. I havent played the alpha so I have literally no idea wtf you are rambling on about. I dont go out of my way to find info on wow because everywhere you look is just salty cunts that try to suck the fun out of the game.
I dont shill the game and I dont shit on it either
>>334776826
>even the DH questions Blizz's decision
>>334776331
>I think the last one they did was zone phasing where portions of the raid get teleported to a room with a mob to kill, and that was made in BC
That was literally the big mechanic of Yogg'Saron
>>334776879
You can't.
>>334776826
>its literally a few hours early
WEW
>>334776896
Wasn't the gamergate fiasco about SJW's and corrupt journalist?
How is the in any way related.
You are a retard.
>>334777003
>I'm green jesus and I can do w/e I want
>btfo by the elements
metzen pls go
>>334777074
>implying the elements care about honour
You can't cheat in a fight to the death.
>>334776896
wrong thread actually wrong forum
tumbler is that way>>>>>
Find a fucking flaw
>>334777034
it's bait
>>334777174
They do and that's why thrall can't call the elements now because he is a cheater.
>>334776978
It was made in BC, and reused for Yoggy, Lichking, Archimonde 2.0
I really can't think of any new boss mechanics to come since then, except maybe the retarded healing boss in ICC
>>334777204
In a WoD zone
I have the urge to level up a Dwarf Monk, but is it worth? Monk's are pretty shit for PvP in WoD.
>>334777204
>WoD
ez
>>334776939
>oh I wasnt aware we were judging the classes on an alpha only a handful of players have access to...
so you decide to comment on things you literally have no idea about. cute
>>334776907
The Shattering book disagrees with you. It was a Mak'Gora.
>>334776810
Actually you can, otherwise irl duels wouldn't have the rule of "10 paces, turn and fire". Someone who turns immedaitely has gone against the ruling of dueling and thus committed a crime. Murder isn't a crime in the context of a duel, unless you broke the rules.
>>334768415
I'm sorry, I cant here you from the stun proc that isn't tied to DR, armor pen and the two slow as fuck maces pounding your ass to burger meat because hemorrhage wasn't normalized until 2.0
>>334776896
WoW barely gives players enough room to be antisocial anymore
>>334777241
Nah they don't, they cheat each other all the time, and only care about power. They would support Thrall's show of power. The reason he can't use them now is because of more bad writing.
>>334777297
>Monk's are pretty shit for PvP in WoD
WWDK and MW TSG are very good comps.
>>334776772
Garrosh's weapon was poisoned by the Grimtotems
>>334777364
They do and he can't use magic because he's a cheater I mean after this post is obvious you know you're wrong >>334776484 you want to keep dragging this for some reason.
>>334777409
MW Turbo*
>>334777309
you said >>334776032
I commented on that post
then you switch it and say "oh no I meant in the alpha"
youre a fucking retard son enjoy your shitposts and maymays
>>334777324
No it was a show fight.
>>334777328
Anyone who kills another in a duel has committed a crime. Duelling wasn't accepted as lawful practice by government.
>>334777364
you mean just like the bad writing that lead to the encounter? either it's all schlock or it isn't friend
>>334766335
>burning legion expack
>lets focus on that one alliance leader we forgot about. the race they lead is super invested in stopping the legion
>gen greymane and the worgen
>not velen and the draenei
>lets bring back that flying city to fight the legion with and also use as the main expantion hub so we can reuse assets lol
>dalaran
>not the exodarr (and one of the other ships that the blood elves took over for the horde city)
>lets make a class that is made up of half-demons who trained under illidan for years in outland
>elf exclusive
>no draenei
>lets let that one race become that one class that they have always wanted to be
>gnome hunters
>not draenei warlocks
WHY
>>334777458
>They do and he can't use magic because he's a cheater
[citation needed]
>>334766335
Other than saddle us with another 4 months of a shit expansion that needs to die.
>>334777547
>Duelling wasn't accepted as lawful practice by government.
It was in my country.
>>334777457
Yes, unknown to Garrosh, his weapon was poisoned. That didn't change the suspicion of the Tauren that he cheated. My point is that it is possible to cheat in a Mak'Gora, such as having an extra enchantment on your weapon for example, otherwise they wouldn't have misplaced hate on "Garrosh" for using poison on his weapon.
>>334777204
hidden under her dress she has a gigantic cock. you can see its head peaking out
>>334777549
Of course it's all shit. Are you dumb?
>>334777636
Like several people already told you the artifact quest is about that and you already said it's your own headcanon but I honestly want to know why you keep posting about it if you know you're wrong.
>>334777739
post it then
>>334777664
Thrall changed the rules of Mak'gora in his New Horde to be no longer to the death.
>>334777852
Oh I know, I was commenting that in my country, duels to the death weren't legally considered murder.
>>334777924
[citation needed]
>>334776541
Ok, medivh is dead, but his mother ressurect him.
The orcs get into their corner and dont piss anyone off for 20 years.
Nerzul has been locked into a magic prison to get crazier and stronger for 20 years.
The legion decides it is time to attack again, make nerzul send the plague of the undead into the world.
Prince Arthas gets crazy in his quest to purge the undead and actually becomes nerzul fuckboy
Medivh calls Trall, the orc warchief and Jaina, the mage to the other side of the world to defend against the legion.
Arthas summon the legion second in command, Archimond
Thrall, Jaina and the Nightelves of the far west lands fight and defeat Archimond.
There are 2 important night elves, the Twins malfurion, the straight boy, and illidan the edgy semi-corrupted anti hero.
Arthas go and try to merge with Nerzul, Illidan tries to stop him, gets fucked up, arthas becomes the Lich King
Besides cooperating during the invasion, orcs and humans started to fight again.
Vannila wow happens, no major story point, there are some evil dragons arround. Most of the easter kingdons are back up.
TBC happens, illidan is back, still like before, gets BTFO, the player eventually helps to send the legion back again.
WotLK happens, a bunch of players kill Arthas, one paladin called Bolvar takes his place cause plot induced bullshit
Cata happens, Deathwing was responsible for the evil dragons, wants to destroy the world, you and thrall and the dragons save the world. The good dragons lose much of their power though.>MoP happens, Thrall put Garrosh on command of the horde (Garrosh is son of a friend of thrall), he is only a warrior and start a bunch of wars. Goes power crazy, nukes Jaina's town and kill a lot of people
You beat him, try to judge him in the most "he dindu nuthing" trial ever (people were about to forgive him he said sorry, but he didnt)
Timetravel bullshit happens, not important. Garrosh dies, the legion kidnaps Guldan from the past to invade again. LEGION HAPPENS
>>334777978
I'm not American, I'm Serbian.
>>334777547
>No it was a show fight.
It was declared that if the Old Rules would be followed, it would be a Mak'gora. It was, and people suspected he cheated himself with a poison weapon. It followed suit, cheating can happen in a Mak'gora, even if it's to the death.
>>334777817
There you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddxn1K6bAwI
Doomhammer will be an Enhacement shaman exclusive artifact in World of Warcraft: Legion. After killing Garrosh, Thrall has been unable to use it properly as the elements have gone silent to him. During a battle at the Maelstrom, it flies out of his hands into the great whirlpool and down into Deepholm.
I'm really waiting for your next stupid reply.
>>334778013
That wasn't a duel to the death.
>>334777720
then why defend it? why exert the energy? nothing on your mind except where the next (you) is coming from
>>334778043
>Thrall has been unable to use it properly as the elements have gone silent to him
Yes but why? That's the part of the game you need to refer to.
Just got to 60 on my Belf monk, first character, should I buy WoD or wait until Legion?
>>334778124
>then why defend it?
Why are you?
>>334778193
>>334778193
The part about killing garrosh, the one you ignored and since you didn't watch the video he also mention it.
>>334778257
why do the elements care about garrosh
@334778243
please quote my posts defending blizzard's shitty writing
>>334778323
they don't but thrall cheated during a sacred orc tradition and that's why the elements won't help him anymore.
I'll never understand people who still support and play WoW. What do you expect to get? It's always been the same drama and shitty support.
It's not going to magically get better, Blizzard clearly just doesn't give a shit anymore.
>>334778257
Where in the video?
>>334778008
>The orcs get into their corner and dont piss anyone off for 20 years.
Actually they were in internment camps for 20 years with the mages of Dalaran studying them, and realize that the reason they haven't been trying to escape is because they're suffering from demonic energy withdrawal. And Thrall is considered so smart and all because he was raised by humans, not orcs. Then he kills his adopted father and frees the orcs.
>>334778586
Nah. Garrosh didn't mean to kill Cairne. Therefore it's not a duel to the death.
>>334778581
3:35 he mention he's no longer worthy to wield it since he used to kill garrosh, there are several blue posts about it but I'm sure you just want to keep shitposting about this.
>>334778323
Because Thrall used the elements in an unhonorable way to slay another person, and because Blizzard's writing is shit. And if anyone wants to claim otherwise, explain why literally another shaman in the game hasn't lost their elemental powers after using them for evil. Like Hagara the Stormbinder.
>>334772643
The filename suggests everquest next which has been canned and I agree those items have a lot of potential.
Too bad it's a fantasy now
>>334778721
>explain why literally another shaman in the game hasn't lost their elemental powers after using them for evil. Like Hagara the Stormbinder.
Those are dark shamans they force the elements to do their will, just like Thrall did during his fight with Garrosh and that's why they won't help him anymore and he doesn't want to force them.
>>334778586
I will never forgive Blizz for Cairne.
NEVER EVER.
>>334778678
He meant to kill Cairne, no doubts. But he wanted to kill him in a fair fight, not with poison bullshit
>>334778678
>he didn't mean to
>the text outright says that they meant to kill each other
Not him, but the deal isn't that it was a duel to the death, it's that Garrosh was robbed of a legitimate victory because Cairne was going to win and Garrosh managed to get a tiny little nick on him. What he didn't know was that a third party put poison on his axe, so Cairne dropped dead.
That's it, that's all there is to it. Garrosh's problem is that he didn't win fair and square because someone intervened.
>>334778415
Or so he keeps telling himself, even though in reality he only did what was necessary. The questline also did not reveal why the elements are silent.
>>334778714
>no citation
His self doubt does not instantly mean that the elements are mad, the problem could simply be an internal thing.
The disconnect between him and the elements is definitely rooted in his self doubt not necessarily the elements mad about broken rules.
>>334778714
But nowhere in there does it say it was because he cheated.
>>334778938
>>334778962
the elements are not going to help him because he cheated during a makgora, you can keep denying it as much as you want but is canon.
>>334778678
>He didn't mean to
>When he fucking declared old Mak'gora
Fuck of didn du nothin apologist. It's possible to cheat in Mak'gora, and Thrall did.
>>334778870
>>334778932
Irrelevant, since neither of them "cheated".
>>334779095
It's not irrelevant because the SOLE DEFINING TRAIT of the orcs is their pride
>>334778579
>"Note that this is the last quarter that we plan to provide subscriber numbers," the company said. "There are other metrics that are better indicators of the overall Blizzard business performance."
who ready to see another dead cat flop for legion?
>>334779048
You can say it's canon all you want but that doesn't make it so.
>>334779064
Nah it's not possible to cheat in a fight to the death.
>He doesnt activelly support jaina, the dismantler, proudmore
Can i know why?
>>334779095
Did you not read this shit? A very small knick and Cairne became dizzy and almost fainted. Garrosh at that point knew he was guilty.
>>334779164
>You can say it's canon all you want but that doesn't make it so.
It already is.
>>334779183
Because she was about to destroy orgrimar with a magic artifact and she refused to do it.
>>334779183
forgot pic
>>334777526
>you said
Except I didn't. Nice attempt at damage control though.
>>334779241
>It already is.
[citation needed]
>>334779048
>but is canon
LOL, it's called a "narrative" it's not canon, it's just a speculation that the viewers are guessing because the elements seem to have "abandoned" him.
>>334775387
The rules were single weapon, no armor, and witness.
They had your PC as the witness, only thrall wore armor, and thrall choose doomhamer as his weapon.
Then when thrall was losing he used elements.
He cheated.
>>334778579
>Clearing LFR and Normal
>This counts as running out of content
>Not moving onto proper raiding.
>>334779183
We spent the better part of the campaign against the Thunder King to charge her staff and she has yet to show for it.
"Build Wall" for High King
>>334779287
He cheated during the makgora.
>>334779302
1) They both had no witnesses
2) they both had armor on
3) Mak'gora doesn't say a word about magic, spells or elemental attacks.
4)Blaming yourself for cheating in a duel doesn't automatically mean that's the sole reason the elements would abandon you.
There is no direct correlation between the two events besides pure speculation through the narrative.
So did any of the celebrities from the wow commercials actually play wow
>>334779365
wait someone explain this to me
flex = normal
normal = heroic
heroic = mythic?
>>334770608
>recently made a new priest on a TBC private server
>can spam smite 4-5 times before going oom
>have to drink after every other fight, or be frugal as fuck
>mobs have a large agro radius and sometimes pull adds with them
>>334779512
Not him but let's face it, everything in WoW is to be taken at face value because they cannot into subtlety.
>>334779512
The tusks of mannoroth are not armor bro.
One weapon. Magic is a weapon.
>>334779602
says you, a dumb peruvian?
>>334766929
>vanilla talents
Jesus christ. The fact people unironically parrot that this gave you more choices, when outside of Druid you had to stick to one cookie-cutter build or miss out on optimal DPS shows how many people didn't even play vanilla.
>>334779602
He didn't even have the Tusks of Mannoroth.
>>334779365
>do the same grind again!
>do it and don't think about how we could have provided actual extra content
That blizz managed to sell this system to it's players is the biggest scam in history.
>>334779602
>Magic is a weapon.
>>334767167
You realize legacy servers would still be 15 dollars a month, right?
>>334776064
There are no profession work orders in Class Halls. There's just the mission table, which you have to go out in the world to get the resources to send the followers on, and it just is used to unlock the next quest of your garrison campaign. As in, stuff you do.
People are just seeing the table and calling them garrisons. Instead of waiting a week for your next garrison campaign quest, you have 3 missions you can send someone on that lasts one day and unlocks the next quest.
>>334779689
Thanks for agreeing, garrosh was not wearing armor.
>>334779751
>a means of gaining an advantage or defending oneself in a conflict or contest.
>a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
Yep
>>334779241
>Because she was about to destroy orgrimar with a magic artifact and she refused to do it.
this. She should have drowned those little orclets.
>>334779574
if it's excalibur that aggro radius is fucked up
>>334776648
Shaman Order Hall campaign is pretty cool. Rescuing Neptulon from Ozumat, going back to Stonecore and recruiting Therazane, crowning a new Firelord and Windlord and uniting all four elements. The quests that are in the game for it are pretty cool. Honestly, having more fun in the alpha because I can just instantly make a level 100 of any class instead of having to level one up to on live to play the order halls - and fuck paying for boosts.
>>334779567
LFR = faceroll trash
Normal = Some co-ordination but not much effort
Heroic = Added mechanics from normal and proper co-ordination and teamwork absolutely needed or wipe *No Carries* unless your guild is past heroic
Mythic = Mechanics are completely different for every boss, one fuck up and its over.
>>334779183
I support Lorethmar!
>>334779682
I played Warlock and there were two builds you could use for PvE purely for DPS purposes, each pretty differently built.
On top of that there was tankloc build for certain fights.
In PvP you had three distinct builds you could use (basically to the 31st point in each tree). But you could also run 30 in Destro/Demo to pick up SL in affliction. In fact for PvP you could run some incredibly diverse builds depending on how you wanted you're playstyle to actually be.
This is just shit off the top of my head which I personally used.
SM ShadowBolt, DS Shadowbolt. Tankloc,
>>334780081
>Rescuing Neptulon from Ozumat
You did that in cata but Neptulon is the link to unite all the elemental lords.
>>334779719
I would argue the difference in teamwork required for Heroic onwards is not comparable to LFR and Normal raiding.
>>334780081
Who's the new Firelord?
Also, do you free Nept from Ozumat, or does he just beat it into submission himself?
>>334780102
I supportanyone but fucking sylvanas
>>334779909
>magic is now a weapon meme
Even if Thrall did cheat in his own critical eyes, this doesn't confirm that is the reason the elements left him.
You still have no citation of a connection between the two. If anything the loss of power stems from his PTSD.
>>334780208
>Who's the new Firelord?
We still don't know but the new windlord is Thunderan.
>Also, do you free Nept from Ozumat, or does he just beat it into submission himself?
According to the video you just summon him and he already tamed ozumat as his pet.
>>334779895
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRZfM2Iztas
All I got from your post was: Wow this new cherry flavored shit is certainly better than that old normal flavored shit we got in WoD!
>>334780180
That may be, but one thing I know is after finally downing Blackhand heroic after 150 wipes and shit tons of effort and hardwork, being told to go back to Oregorger and do the whole thing again was insulting.
I quit rather than stick around for shit like that. What's the fucking point? I killed Blackhand.
>>334780254
Sylvanas/Putress 2016
Death to the Living!
Death to the Horde!
Death to the Alliance!
>>334777602
The Draenei and Exodar play a huge part in several of the Class campaigns.
There's also the Battle of Exodar which gets new strings everyday and animation for it opening up and flying.
Greymane's just getting more spotlight because with Varian dead he's mainly taking over as Anduin is still inexperienced in leading.
>>334780287
It is, dictionary definition of weapon is
>a means of gaining an advantage or defending oneself in a conflict or contest.
Magic is a weapon. Thrall could have chosen magic, he choose doomhammer.
>>334780462
>Greymane's just getting more spotlight because with Varian dead he's mainly taking over as Anduin is still inexperienced in leading.
He's acting as general of the alliance and his first action is "lets ignore the legion and attack the forsaken who are fighting the legion lol".
Dumb furry.
>>334780368
Im sorry you didn't like your guild then. Personally I know we are all good friends and enjoy playing different games together, but WoW raiding with them felt good and enjoyable regardless of downing Archi and then moving all the way back to the first boss again but harder and different.
>>334780673
>>334780368
Im talking about my guild btw forgot to add that in
>>334778008
Thank you.
>>334780673
I like my guild plenty, but the idea of constant progression with no farm status does not appeal to me. Especially if its the same raid over and over.
How long till jaina gets tired of all that bullshit, go to northend, slay bolvar and becomes the lich king (queen?) herself?
>>334780042
It is Excalibur. Makes shit fun so far, but then again I haven't run into any murlocs yet.
>>334780575
yes but give a me a citation of the elements abandoning him for breaking rules.
Being abandoned by the elements is most likely triggered from his own doubts, it doesn't ever say the elements left him because he broke the rule, just that he deems himself "not worthy" and Thrall is living in a self perpetuated nightmare.
>>334780673
WoW survived halfway through wrath without devolving into different difficulty modes in place of actual content. Do you really enjoy repeating scaled raid times four instead of the option of something new?
>>334780837
Probably not since she entertains herself with her living Dragon Dildo now, Sylvanas is far closer to Lich Queendom then anyone right now.
>>334780648
to be fair, the dumb Alliance think after the Broken Shore cutscene they were betrayed by the Horde in some way.
He is stupid but there's a story element we're not quite informed on just quite yet.
>>334780772
Thats fair enough, people have different views. Hopefully Legion is a better experience for you if you end up getting it.
>>334780950
>silvanas get the helm herself
>bolvar and nerzul voices dont dare to speak unless extremelly necessary, but arthas is constantly bringing the banter between them.
>They start to like it.
>>334780673
heroic guilds are fine, probably more enjoyable to do that and the easy mythics, otherwise you have to sacrifice a lot more time and can't always raid with the people you want to
>>334781020
>they were betrayed by the Horde in some way.
The horde strings were posted a few weeks ago in mmo-champion and Jaina think the horde "betray" them because they retreat and it wasn't like in the middle of a fight, as we can see in the legion opener sylvanas and varian are fighting together right, sylvanas said "we have to retreat" and varian said "nope im not going to retreat, you retreat" and she did, for some reason jaina blames the horde for varian stupidity.
>>334780648
You'd have to be pretty naive to think Sylvanas would never do something underhanded during a greater threat
She got cucked out of ultimate power over death by Bolvar so now she's being a petty bitch.
>>334780910
>Implying LFR is required for gear progression into Normal.
Personally I don't hate going from Normal to Heroic to Mythic, as I said in another comment, I have a guild that I am close with and we enjoy raiding together even if it is the same raid, its still fun and progression for 2 nights a week outside of playing other games or doing pvp for fun.
>>334781231
She could but that's not the point Greymane is still mad because muh gilneas
>he already lost a big part of the alliance army attacking the horde
I'm talking about air ships and 7th legion army.
>>334780795
And people say reddit steals our shit.
>>334780889
I do not give a shit about the elements abandoning him. I am a different anon. I just want it clear that thrall cheated in honorable combat.
Fuck, I actually agree with you that it is his own self hatred. Hatred stemming from the fact that he knows he is a dirty fucking cheater, who caused literally all the problems of the last 2 expacs.
The crazy thing is, I bet metzen thought everyone would agree with thrall. Agree that garrosh was evil and thrall dindu nuffin.
>>334781602
I honestly can't believe they are going to nerf thrall.
>>334781193
Because they could have won without Sylvanas cowardice.
Sylvanas is the most evil thing in WoW right now. She continuously raises more people as undead, condemning them to hell, just so she can have an army protect her from death.
At least when the legion kills you, you still get to go to heaven.
>>334769062
>31/0/20
>rogue build was 3/27/21
>>334781694
they're not, it's just setting the stage for thrall's heroic return
>>334780319
Because the new build just added tons of new datamined stuff for professions. An entire zone for fishing, mini-games for engineering and jewelcrafting found in achievements.
Everytime someone mentions the work orders on the alpha forum they mention how it's a placeholder and every datamined patch we see more and more.
So, again, you're wrong. You're linking a video from the same guy who saw a garrison table and made a video freaking out about garrisons being back.
>>334781781
>At least when the legion kills you, you still get to go to heaven.
Unless you're a human and Sylvanas wants to raise you
>>334781602
>I just want it clear that thrall cheated in honorable combat.
It's a tragic story because he's a fucking shaman, he's going to get rekt in a duel without casting a spell. Us the players getting an elemental offhand of Doomhammer seems kinda cuhrayzeee in comparison too.
Hopefully by the end of this campaign Thrall recovers his powers and somehow also has his own elemental weapon (similar to the art direction of our elemental Doomhammer offhands).
That and for him togrow his hair back
>>334780208
Firelord quest isn't in yet, nor mentioned in strings. For example, we only have 2 Four Horsemen quests and only know the 3rd from datamining. We don't know who the fourth horseman is yet.
>>334781781
>Because they could have won without Sylvanas cowardice.
Did you watch the alliance intro? Literally every demon lord was there with guldan. They didn't have a chance.
I don't really care about Sylvanas but retreating was the only optionalso I think legion is going to be a redeption thing for her.
>>334781814
>illidan's redemption ends with him turning into an archangel
>thrall's redemption ends with him piloting titan azeroth to 1v1 kiljaeden in space
you can't make this shit up
>>334781782
wow so different, much original :^)
>>334781193
It's also because Undercity still has Dreadlords who are proven to not be under Sylvanas control anymore as there's a scenario for them breaking free and attacking Undercity.
>>334781920
He could have chosen magic as his weapon.
Shamans had chosen it in the past.
>>334781938
We do man, the horseman are Nazgrim, Thoras, Sally Whitemane and Tirion.
>>334782025
Do you have a source? I would love to read about that.
>>334781814
>>334781995
Hopefully he has a head full of magic elemental hair. Bald Thrall worst Thrall.
>>334769467
They are cookie cutter. You have 1 build for PvP, 1 build for PvE, 1 build for raiding, etc. In fringe cases, with classes like Warlock, Druid or Paladin, you may have 2 builds per option.
It's literally people who've never played WoW with old talents who think they were better. The only time talents ever offered the choice that people pretend Vanilla/BC did was in Cata, and for some reason they scrapped that system after one expac.
Vanilla is great, and so was Nost, but the vanilla talent system was never that great just because it appeared to be more open.
>>334782025
>Undercity still has Dreadlords
I didn't know there was dreadlords even left after Varimathras.
>>334782065
Whiteman is just an Order Hall follower I thought, Initiate Whitemane? Did they change her to Horseman?
>>334781950
And varian takes out almost all of them. There is a reason you are able to get the weapons of the Heros off the battlefield in the start of legion, and a reason the world had not been overrun giving everyone time to set up class halls and form a counter offensive, because the legion ended up calling a retreat as well.
>>334781863
>more thempark rides
>more achievements
>less coherent world design
Gee, thanks blizzard.
>>334782264
can't win against the chin
>>334782065
Man I can't wait to do those epic lore quests from my class hall! Having the full power of the four horsemen to run totally notgarrison missions will make up for ignoring dk lore since wrath!
>>334782216
You can go in on Alpha now as a DH or as a Paladin with Truthguard and there are a few hiding.
>>334782285
>literally adding more to the world
>so you're out in the world
>less coherent world design
You're a fucking moron. And this is whithout bringing up the World Quest system.
>>334782263
She's both I think. There is a video on wowhead about rising 3 of the 4 horseman.
>>334782264
>And varian takes out almost all of them
Not the demon lords he just kill minor demons like nameless infernals and shit and the legion doesn't retreat dude we are attacking their main stronghold in the scenario and we are the ones who retreat.
>>334782454
Thal'Dranath was not the legion stronghold.
>>334781863
I am so happy this exists. You can say whatever you want about fishing, but it can be a really cool way to spend a few minutes or even an hour. Plus the street cred that comes with it: People respect exclusive prizes from fishing cause no one else is crazy enough to do it. Only the elite few.
Hope the fishing prizes are actually worth the grind this time around. Water striders two expansions in a row is lame. Bring back crawdads and fish weapons.
>>334782834
>Thal'Dranath was not the legion stronghold.
Are you saying the tomb of sargeras, the biggest portal on azeroth right now is not a legion stronghold? Varian dies in front of it.
>>334766335
Schilling, reported
>>334782928
I am going to assume you meant foothold. And now the portal is unusable, we won that battle. We could have won without the massive loss of life if sylvanas had not fucked off.
>>334776396
The blade only steals your soul if it kills you or if you use it for prolonged period of time.
>>334783141
I mean stronghold and no anon we didn't won that battle, both alliance, horde and argent of dawn had massive casualties and the legion lost irrelevant demons, that's why classes are creating guilds and everything.
>>334781863
>There are no work orders in legion.
>I-It's just a p-laceholder guys!
Fucking blizzcucks. Also that video isn't Az you mongoloid.
>>334776267
>Humans are from Azeroth, Orcs are from Draenor
>Orcs make a deal with space demons by drinking one space demon's blood which makes them all go completely apeshit with bloodlust
>They make a portal that goes to Azeroth to conquer it
>They fail
>Some humans go back into the portal and blow it up from the other side
>The orcs now stranded on Azeroth are rounded up into camps
>Thrall, the son of the chieftan of the only orc clan that didn't drink the demon blood, frees all the orcs from the camps and sails across the ocean to another continent where they can make their own home
>meanwhile, the orc that originally made the deal is chilling in a frozen continent in the north, having been placed in some armor and hurled there for some reason
>he controls the undead and makes an undead plague with spreads through the original continent the orcs were on and fucks everyone's shit up
>the king of that land's son, Arthas, becomes obsessed with stopping the plague and eventually loses his mind and becomes a servant of the orc popsicle
>he rolls back into his kingdom and kills his father and further fucks everyone's shit up
>some shit happens and eventually a super huge demon appears and gets blown up, then arthas merges with the orc popsicle and becomes super powerful
>nothing interesting happens for several years
>in the second WoW expansion you kill King Orc Popsicle
>nothing interesting ever happens again
You're welcome.
>>334783352
>goal of battle: Prevent legion from allowing more troops into azeroth from that location
>goal met
>hurr durr, that is not winning
No, there was no stronghold there, I am thinking you do not know what a stronghold is.
>>334766929
>not 31/8/12
Literally kill yourself
>>334783543
>thralls dad did not drink orc blood
>still green
Meanwhile, garrosh, the orc who was not corrupted at all, is called the corrupt traitor.
>>334783575
You're a fucking retard we didn't stop anything, this scenario is the opener of the expansion mongoloid
>With the Alliance and Horde devastated, adventurers must take up legendary artifacts and weapons used by the heroes of old, scour the ancient Broken Isles for relics of the Titans, and challenge the Burning Legion before Azeroth's last hope dies
If we stop them in the fucking prepatch scenario why are he having this expansion at all?
>>334783724
>why are he having this expansion at all?
blizzard hire this man
>>334783670
Orc skin color and the reason behind it has been retconned at least 3-4 times.
>>334767916
This is some DBZ-tier shit.
>>334783724
Because they still entered azaroth you mong, they are all still here.
We temporarily cut them off from support, but they will be able to slowly summon more, just not as easily as having them waltz through a portal in massive battalions.
>>334783893
>We temporarily cut them off from support
We didn't idiot the portal is still there and is only one of many, the whole fucking plot of the expansion is closing that particular portal with the pillars of creation. Why are you even discussing this when you know nothing about it?
It's like the playerbase is marching towards the expansion with both middle fingers raised.
>>334769818
>stupid pigeon holding cookiecutter bullshit my guild always forced me to pick up
Maybe you shouldn't play with faggots.
>>334777705
underrated
>>334784102
nah you were never around in those times. Resto Shamans literally were only brought to raids for their 31 pt talent Manatide totem. Your whole raid experience revolved around having these key IMPORTANT abilities.
Also some specs were simply not viable in PVE like Elemental.
>>334773076
0-60 was perfect. You started off with your shitty, rusty knives and your ragged leather armor with patches still in it, then you replace it with shiny knives, actual leather, then maybe mid-level you're pschyed when you actually get armor that resembles ninja-armor and you got that dagger that glows, and it keeps progressing. Soon you have legitimate battle-armor and warblades, you even look like the class trainers at this point. You work your way all the way until you're dual wielding dragon-teeth and wearing something much more fantastic than plain leather gear. Your sense of progression was mirrored by your items, expanding arsenal of abilities, and conquests through increasing more dangerous and hostile environments
Added 10 more levels fucks that all up right and there's nothing to do about it. As soon as you started throwing away your bloodfang for something that looks like you wore at level 40 only neon colored the aesthetic, go into a zone where you fight meaningless animals that are technically more powerful than the max level ghouls of before, the experience was irreparably altered.
i haven't played wow
what the fuck has medivh been up to
>>334783476
It is a placeholder though. The follower missions have already drastically changed, and the new profession shit is already datamined. Is this your first alpha? You know there was a shit ton of stuff in the Wrath alpha that changed alot too. I know it's cooler to shit on WoW now, now that it's actually a lot shittier, but alot of the stuff they say is placeholder has been changed so far.
>>334785167
Nothing at all I assume he is in mage heaven now.
>>334785167
He flew off in raven form and said he wanted to fade to legend.
However the opening of the Legion reveal shows a raven on Karazahn, several artifact quests send you to Karazahn and it's been said in a few blue posts that Karazahn might be revisited in the second content patch for Legion. That and Khadgar coming back in the limelight lately, as well as the new movie, I expect him to be the expansions end boss.
>>334780795
>MoP was a bad expansion
This one gets me the most because a lot of people truly, honestly believe it was bad. MoP was at the very least on par with WotLK and is as good as Neo-WoW is ever going to get.
If you think MoP was bad I hope you're enjoying WoD. I hope you're enjoying your "dark and warcrafty" expansion. At least it doesn't have those gay pandas, right?
>>334785145
Now every part of leveling doesn't look right. You can be level 21 and see a priest in dreadmist, headmasters charge, riding a fucking corehound in the barrens. You can be level one and see someone wielding a giant two handed axe with a skull on it that was designed in mind for a level 60 that spent a month or a fortune to get
>>334785145
>>334785460
>doesn't feel right
any real arguments?
Why did we go from
Kara>Gruul/Mag>ZA>SSC/TK>MH/T>SP
to
HC-LFR>HC-Normal>HC-Heroic>HC-Mythic
I get the whole Blizzcuck thing but come the fuck on, at least show some sort of dignity and don't let yourself get fucked over like that in terms of content and progression.
>>334785682
there's literally no reason to do lfr and normal.
>>334785460
Ah I see. So a way to fix this would be to instance your leveling experience, so you can only be in the world with people your own level. Fuck seeing other players XD!!
>>334785682
Blizz doesn't realize why playing the same shit 5 times with increasing difficulty settings doesn't work. It's one of the most basic and effective things in video games. Blizz needs to play darks souls. Not to say DS is that great of a game, but it does something right: Difficulty telling the story. There's only one setting and the game gets hard only when it needs to. Your single experience is the experience. C'thun is always remembered with such reverance and horror because your only experience fighting him when he was content is that he's a brutal fucking fight combined with a terrifying design. If he was a push-over, his terrifying design would be for naught and/or the conveyance would be completely different.
>>334785682
why produce four raids when we could just apply four different difficulties to one raid, think with your profits goy
>>334786316
Yeah, the problem came from the introduction of heroic raids, which instead of being taken as an optional more challenging thing to do when you've mastered the raid, became the real end game because of the better gear. From there it just became an increasingly expanding series of different difficulties.
I think an LFR system would be cool, but not for current raids. Basically what Timewalking is for Raids, allowing people to queue and experience old raids at an easier pace so people who don't raid can fight the Lich King outside of running and soloing him at Lvl 100.
>>334785305
If MoP hadn't been around pandas it would've been the best expansion.
The zones looked great, the questing was nice, the raids were good and there were a lot of factions to work on.
I didn't do much pvp then so I don't know about the balancing issues or w/e.
>>334766929
no ghost strike?
no riposte?
do you pvp?
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