>It’s a game about fleeing your war-torn homeland in hopes of eventually reaching Europe. Along the way, you’ll meet all sorts of people—some sympathetic to your cause, others... less so—while trying not to starve, catch a disease, or break all your bones. The path you take and the events you encounter will be procedurally generated, and you’ll be able to craft things, including food to keep you alive and weapons to also keep you alive (by making wild animals and sometimes people dead).
>At the same time, though, you’ve gotta start somewhere, and turning often dehumanized people into human beings with very real wants and needs (food, shelter, family, etc) is a better starting point than most. I’m interested to see where this game goes. It’s on Steam Greenlight right now, if you’d like to keep tabs on it.
>The game looks like this:
Thoughts on this, lads?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpYARYepKqY
>>334752970
Actually looks neat and is a nice commentary on current events. Better than YouTubers bitching about "drama."
>>334753167
No, it won't
>>334752970
Refugees are rapists and criminals
Oh boy I can't wait to learn the nuanced and well-reasoned opinions of an indie video game developer.
Oh boy, propaganda!
>>334753590
>>334753551
>>334753512
>>334753448
>>334753167
Is there anything on 4Chan but hate?
They didn't use a 'retro' pixelshit artstyle. I am completely blown away. 10/10 indie game of the year right there.
>refugee
>white
>encountering hostile durka durkas
Oh I get it, it's like a post apocalyptic thing where like a German is fleeing the new caliphate to get to Norway or Poland.
>>334752970
>中文
Sweet, it didn't look like traditional mandarin either.
>>334754043
Disdain for entertainment-less rhetoric-vehicles?
>>334752970
The fuck is this shit? I want to play as a burly giga nigga, not as a white cuck. How can I rape if my character is raised on feminism and gender theory.
1/10 I won't even pirate.
I hope the combat is good
I can't wait to scale some fences and beat up some gay european police lmao
>>334754353
this
>>334752970
serious post: if it is really a game about being a refugee then I suppose there must be a level where me and my refugee friends can go on a rape spree on germany and rape at least 100 women and some men.
Is this essentially modern day Oregon Trail? That's what it looks like.
>>334752970
>indie developer thinks "refugees" aren't just job seekers looking for a free EU passport and monthly check
Do liberals ever even bother to do the barest research into things or do they just believe everything they read on facebook/twitter like their jewish masters want?
>>334754564
Looks like Oregon Trail with combat and dialogue.
>>334754353
Have you played the game?
No, you have not.
So keep opinions to yousef
>>334754043
Where do you think you are, you faggot?
>>334752970
>>334754564
>>334754656
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3390168/Migrant-rape-fears-spread-Europe-Women-told-not-night-assaults-carried-Sweden-Finland-Germany-Austria-Switzerland-amid-warnings-gangs-ordinating-attacks.html
>>334754043
There were a lot of frog memes for a while.
>>334754801
>daily mail
kek
>>334754921
>i don't like your source so these mass rapes aren't happening
>this salon article on the other hand perfectly explains why you're a rayciss bigot
>>334754921
> x thing
kek
>>334754695
>So keep opinions to yousef
What's the point of this thread?
>>334754995
>complain about me decrying a source
>decry another source
wew
>>334755140
To discuss objective facts about this game; such as it being shit.
>>334752970
any chance of getting an expansion where i play a terrorist trying to get inside of europe by acting as a refugee just to blow the living shit out of everything once i get in?
>>334754995
>mass rapes
[Legit citation needed]
>>334753114
>neat and is a nice commentary on current events
>video game
>>334754043
Why do you hate Europe?
>randomly generated
>crafting
>liberal ideals
Well, it'll do well with the dumbshit millennials for sure.
>>334754637
Oh they know perfectly well, they're just lying. They believe (correctly) that by bringing millions of religious fanatics who lat liberalism into their countries, they'll be able to piss off their parents by ruining their countries' heritage and culture. (They have missed, of course, that Liberalism is part of that culture and exists nowhere else in the world.)
They don't care about the thousands of raped women because they never cared about women at all. Feminism is a lie, and the proof is that these lefty cucks are covering up rapes--sometimes even mass rapes--because they care more about their image than rape victims. Feminism was always just a canard for attacking white men.
They don't care about the gay kids that the Muslims have been murdering, they don't care about the kids being raped, they don't care about anything except their image and virtue-signalling. If that means a bunch of people have to be murdered, raped, tortured and desecrated, then that's what it means.
The funny thing about all of this is that Muslims are enormously conservative socially, and are basically going to undo decades of liberal progress as soon as they reach critical population mass. It's going to be a lot of fun to watch all of these sniveling Euro-Leftists wail in terror as the Iraqis throw all of their faggots off of buildings and smash out their feminists's teeth with hammers on television.
>>334755309
Solid bait, find info on BBC if you like. What source do you trust?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
>midnight sonata
Nigga it's a great song but you can't just use that for a trailer that's lazy as hell.
And it looks like a flash game. Like, one that would've been free on newgrounds 10 years ago
>>334755681
>German keeps borders open
>Rapefests
>Hungary builds walls
>No rapefests
>w-w-walls don't w-work
hahahahaha
I liked that small 3000 person population village in Romania that was manipulated into building a church (forgot exact reasons) but once they found it was really a mosque, they revolted and kicked any Mudslime out of the village.
Fuck yeah some countries actually doing it right.
>>334755215
a real terrorist game would be fun but no one is edgy enough to make it
>>334755486
>middle east
>india
>africa
>australia
the biggest shitholes on the planet are shitholes because of Europe
>>334755741
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/29/hold-hungarian-border-fence-so-effective-illegal-immigrants-are-now-at-pre-migrant-crisis-levels/
>sanitising people into thinking that refugees are a good thing for Europe
>>334755851
Project Reality lets you play suicide bombers in a taliban faction.
>Survival Crafting Indie-Game #1,267
That said, the fact that there is in an end goal and journey you're reaching does make it sound better and more engaging then most already.
But still, we've already seen this a hundred times and there's not enough info for now to guess if it'll be good or not.
>hey guys, what if we take Oregon Trail
>"okay, okay"
>and make it modern and artsy
>"brilliant"
>>334754043
>Is there anything on 4Chan but hate?
Shill detected. Fuck you and you're shitty liberal propaganda game.
>>334755681
you do know that there is no proof that this was done by refugees?
>>334752970
Will it feature being rejected at the border of Saudi Arabia and Israel?
>>334756124
He isn't the game; he's probably the one who made the game.
>>334755986
Every European nations should build walls around themselves. The USA absolutely should build a wall as well. Both sides since Canada is about to become another Islamic ghetto.
>A game about an adult male refugee fleeing his homeland and abandoning his daughter instead of enlisting to defend them
>All these people calling it propaganda
It's not propaganda if it's 100% accurate.
>>334754043
Are you the same motherfucker who comes to every thread with reddit tier posts? You get surprised at literally everything that is said on every thread.
>>334755978
>Middle East
Terrorizes Europe for 1.5 Millennia
>Constantly invades and brutalizes and enslaves millions of Europeans
>In the last 100 years, gets 1/1000th of its own brutality bounced back
>HUU HUU HUU EUROPE RUINED OUR CULTUUUUURE
>India
Legitimate. But India isn't sending trillions of refugees here.
>Africa
.Was a shithole before Europe got there
>Was partially un-shittified by white settlers in the South
>Revolt, throw all the white people out
>Returns to being a shithole
An economic refugee will never reach europe and will drown like the trash they are but only if you post
BLESS YOU POSEIDON
>>334756124
>games come to /v/ and shill themselves
>>334756151
You're right. Most of the rapists were economic migrants from other shitholes in North Africa and Middle East.
>>334752970
>TPP Studios
>google because I've never heard of them before in my life
>some nothing Finnish studio that has literally done nothing
They are doing this entirely for propaganda. FFS, they probably used moonrunes entirely because they've seen Japanese VN's, KS, and Analog use them in their titles and figured, "Oh! VN's have east Asian symbols in them!"
>>334755978
So you hate Europeans because of perceived slights on other peoples? That would mean you support migrants for the purposes of vengeance.
You're not in much of a position to be accusing other people of hate.
>>334756278
BLESS YOU POSEIDON
>>334756243
But he needs to go first to make sure its safe. In Europe.
>>334756204
How many fucking refugees are in Syria?
Unrealistic/10, considering most refugees are just chilling in Turkey working a job before saving up enough to buy passage across.
Actual refugees don't have the cash to travel, and this isn't the fucking 1200s. You can't just hunt your way on foot from Syria to Germany.
>>334756327
there is also no proof for that.
>>334752970
Why aren't the refugees brown/black muslims?
This shit ain't accurate at all.
>>334752970
>Game about being an refugee
>Allows you to craft weapons to kill people with
Looks like the game is going to be pretty accurate to the recent events.
>>334756362
Fuck off
https://www.rt.com/news/330284-economic-migrants-eu-refugees/
>>334755978
>middle east
Almost always been a shithole due to Islam. Even the "Golden Age of Islam" is a farce perpetuated by leftists as the "Golden Age" was brought to an end by Islam.
>India
Made shitty by Islam, saved by Europe. Europe steps away. Goes back to being shitty. Literally shitty.
>Africa
Sub-saharan/southern Africa has always been shit. When Europeans tried to improve it, nigs got uppity and overthrew whitey. Now they're starving in mass and undoing everything given to them.
>Australia
Australia was never globally relevant until Europe got involved. Its natives are literally comparable to fauna and their greatest invention was a fucking stick.
Deny it all you want. Europe made the world better.
>>334756529
Meant to reply to you
>>334756628
>>334756529
>Of the 19 suspects identified on 11 January, 14 were men from Morocco and Algeria. Ten of the 19 were asylum seekers, nine of whom had arrived in Germany after September 2015; the other nine suspects may have been residing in the country illegally.[102][103]
>>334752970
>Finally get to Europe
>Start planning your attacks
>Rest of the game is about you trying to kill as many infidels as you can before you get caught and die in the name of Allah
I'd play the fuck out of that. It'd be a top-tier ending.
>>334756457
Way too many.
>>334756585
Refugees come from almost anywhere so the variety in color is not surprising. They won't be all black like Americans.
>>334752970
>Thoughts on this, lads?
I think I'm not going to buy it
>>334756784
What's that occurring in the background?
>>334756858
It's a picture of the concert that got shot up by mudslimes in Paris.
>>334752970
>refugee
>fleeing to Europe
>crafting
>survival
I have a feeling this game will have as much GOTY awards as the Witcher 3, then forgotten after a month.
>>334752970
>migrate to Europe
>realize I'm considered "oppressed" by these people
>start raping beautiful daughters
>get slapped on the wrist and told not to do that
>do it again
Make it happen, OP
>>334756858
Multiculturalism.
>passing judgement on literally millions of people
>>334752970
>weapons to also keep you alive (by making wild animals and sometimes people dead).
jesus christ
I bet you have to kill neo-nazis too
>>334756858
Fresh off the boat refugees and 2nd generation migrants massacred over 100 French people attending a music concert.
>>334756858
Cultural enrichment.
>>334752970
>weapons to also keep you alive (by making wild animals and sometimes people dead).
Refugees are all murderers CONFIRMED
>>334756976
>not understanding the security dilemma in international relations that requires a gap between state morality and individual morality
Have whites ever ravaged another white country to the point where the local population had to flee the combat?
>>334756760
Morocco and Algeria is now Syria?
We are still talking about Syrian refugees right?
You do know that every year people migrate to Germany and they aren't refugees?
Also a suspect is still not proof
>>334756976
>"How DARE you rayciss bigots judge these third worlders that we literally need to train not to rape women!"
>>334756912
>>334757028
Jeez, I must have been living under a rock cause I didn't know about that shit.
>>334755486
Because treaties like AKP and EPA fuck African and Caribbean countries up beyond recognition.
Europe is literally wasting tax payer money on agriculture. This enables subsidised farmer to export shit cheap to Africa. Most people there are small time farmer themselves, but what chicken will you buy? The African one for 10 Euros or the European one for 2.50?
African countries refusing EPA were actually sanctioned and bullied until they caved in.
And for what? To keep European farmers, of whom we have to much, happy and conservative. You dare to make milk cheaper than 55 cents, they go to fucking Brussels and litter the streets with litres of milk.
>>334757254
Libmedia loves sweeping shit like this under the rug.
>>334757208
Hitler overtaking France?
>>334754043
>4Chan
Fuck off, normie. Get out and shill your shit on reddit.
>>334757208
>Believing the "refugee" myth
More than half of the people pouring into Europe aren't even from Syria. They're been personally invited by globalists to conquer Europe. They're economic migrants looking for freebies and little white girls to rape.
>>334757208
What is WW1 and 2?
>>334756784
Has John Oliver ever commented on this kind of stuff? I think I remember he did a show where he mocked people in Europe trying to limit or regulate the refugee immigration. As part of a joke, he made fun of these people by saying that they were totally insane because they thought that unregulated immigration would result in everyone in Paris being dead; I think he cut to a picture of skeletons wearing berets in front of the Eiffel Tower.
How does he respond to the kind of shit going on?
>>334757347
> Frogs
> White
How nice, we get propaganda about rapefugees in videogames now. Why are the elites so hellbent on replacing white countries with 3rd world filth?
>>334755195
i would like you to keep your opinions to yourself, sir. discussion triggers me.
>>334757390
Same as everyone else. Pure denial.
>>334757208
Germany -> France
>inb4 haggling about what is defined as "white"
>>334754043
Is there anything in this post but bait?
>>334757390
He doesn't. John Oliver got exactly what he wanted: Murdered and raped white people, and the destruction of Europe. This is what Leftists want.
>>334754637
as a jewish master myself, is it okay for me to be mad about violent, lazy refugees and other such oppressed peoples?
>>334757552
>>334757395
Shit looks like I was too late to inb4, /pol/acks working overtime.
BUT /v/
IT'S 2016
THERE IS NO PLACE FOR WHITE PEOPLE IN 2016 COME ON
>>334752970
>2D walking simulator
>>334752970
>east asian on signs, the most possible western styled house ever made
>dressed like the most generic western hipster = tries to reach Europe
>moonlight sonata, because it's sad you know?
>powerful sorcerer, instead of playing with the difficulty to haul the cart, thus, adding a "it's a lot of effort" part, it's the Luggage
>walking around with a meat cleaver, because you're a poor victim you know
>kills dozen, if not hundred of people just to walk on YOUR road
>another generic "it's for your family" motivation
>has the appearance of a mobile game, and plays as such
I can already read the "Our game, made with a passionate and involved team couldn't take off because of piracy, they are the main reason our game didn't sell well" and the reviews on steam: "2.1h played: yeah, it's so deep, I always cry a little when [name of the event] happen"
I can't see a single good point from the youtube video, no music or sound effects, we have no idea what kind of game it will be, even the text on the video don't make sense, it's always "die for-" then they just fuck it with "BUT FOR SOME REASON" despite a simple "die for your family", the cart burn, explode and he doesn't give a damn, you can see the npc walking left and right in a daze, most of them are copy pastes of each other, the locations are thrown like a bag of shit, we come from the yellow color scheme to brown, then green, then again yellow, the fights look like a simple waiting game
where are que qualities?
>>334752970
>american games with japanese lettering
is there anything more revolting?
>>334757302
So Europe needs to be punished for the sin of selling cheap agriculture products by having migrants imposed on us?
>>334757390
>Expecting objectivity from mainstream leftists whose only job is to push further propaganda
No. There has been no response whatsoever. They've only doubled down on their "peaceful migrant" rhetoric. Did the muzzies just go on another rampage? Better spend another half hour getting pissy about Donald Trump or pump out another video about the women and children that need help into Europe.
>>334756628
>unpublished figures so can't be scrutinised
>still actually said that closing borders wasn't a good idea anyway
>>334756269
>Terrorizes Europe for 1.5 Millennia
>fought the byzantines who were one of the worst empires ever and I say this as a huge fucking byzaboo.
>the ottomans who were definitely not from the middle east then took over and mostly fought the
>I have no knowledge of african history, the large trade kingdoms and empires that sprawled large amounts of the continent. What's a sokoto?
>>334757302
>Rhodesia and South Africa were literally the most fertile farmlands on Earth
>Niggers take over
>Suddenly it's cheaper to import food from EUROPE than to grow it locally
Gahahahaha
>>334757715
Japanese games with broken english as their title?
>>334757715
I strongly agree.
>>334757146
>implying wishing death on literally every muslim is a reasonable response
>>334757809
>fought the Byzantines
How many Byzantines were there in fucking Spain, asshole?
>>334756457
You've got to understand that when you're basically just dumping out an entire country there's a lot of fucking people.
>>334756784
>make the first part an over the top all-inclusive game about loving refugees
>second part is a total ISIS bloodbath
>yfw gets amazing reviews on release because paid-off reviewers will only play the first ten minutes of any game anyways
>>334757390
>Oy, ya bloody poof! It's [current year], and yew aw LITERALLY still voting foh *giggles with a misshapen grin* DRUMF? Ah yew kidding me, lad!? Ah mean, seriously, COME OHN IT'S [current year]!
>>334756998
Did you even watch the trailer? You are fighting against radical Islamists.
>>334752970
It's been done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom!_%28video_game%29
>>334757964
>implying it isn't
Power is a zero-sum game. So long as there are two or more groups there will be power struggle, and so long as there is power struggle there is the potential to lose.
The only way out of this dilemma is to ensure that there is only one group - your group.
>>334757964
You'll make it a reasonable response if you keep pushing mass migration.
Oh boy more forced leftist values in muh vidya gaems.
Just what I wanted.
It's a good thing you're playing as a white dude aswell.
Going to other countries which have different values.
Totally relevant with todays refugee crisis.
>>334757390
>>334757753
You can't stop terrorist attacks by limiting movement of people. It has never fucking worked. There's a reason security agencies aren't spouting this populist rhetoric, becuase they have a clue what they're doing unlike retards on 4chan.
And second, EVERYONE that knows the first thing about ISIS knows that their European strategy is aimed at making muslim communities alienated, weakening european cohesion and then radicalising the alienated muslims. This is incredibly well documented by ISIS themselves.
http://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/ISIS%20Global%20Strategy%20MAR%202016.pdf
http://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/isiss-campaign-europe
tl;dr you're literally doing what ISIS wants, you retards.
>Sounds like a fun Oregon Trail like game
>Watch trailer
>Shitty flash looking game
>The entire trailer the guy just walks to the right
Yeah sure looks like fun. Is it free? Better yet will the developer pay me to play it? Because otherwise this doesn't look like its even worth the memory space.
>>334755381
Perhaps
>nice examination of current events
would suit the medium the better.
>>334757964
>wishing death
Not wanting to import fifty million of them into Europe isn't "wishing death" on anybody you fucking faggot. The ACTUAL refugees are being taken care of, they're in Turkey where they are safe and provided for in accordance to international law. The millions of faggots invading Europe aren't refugees, they stopped being refugees the moment they passed through a neutral NATO country into other countries to try and get more benefits.
I mean it's transparently obvious, these people aren't in danger. They stopped being in danger the nanosecond they stepped into Turkey, they're not looking for safety, they're looking for white women and welfare. Why is it our responsibility to give anyone who wants it all of our money? Sweden is literally on the verge of economic collapse because of this shit, Germany is going steadily further to the right because people are pissed off--and they have every reason to be pissed of, they're being brutally taken advantage of by cowards and thieves, and people like you are enabling it.
>>334756636
I bet you think Ancient Greece and Rome were the height of human civilization. What kind of selective history is that? Christ kid either you skipped primary school history or you still need to go through that.
>>334758272
>if you're mean to the muslims then they become radicalized :(
so why are we taking them in in the first place
>>334757254
>>334757346
Holy shit you /pol/ tards have got to be mentally retarded. How have you not fucking heard of the Paris attacks! And then you claim it's the liberals fault for you being complete dumbasses and not watching any news! Drink bleach
>>334758272
>You can't stop terrorist attacks by limiting movement of people. It has never fucking worked.
It worked pretty well during the Boer War, where the British sectioned off the countryside with huge fences and watchtowers and cleared it grid by grid.
>>334752970
>tumblr art
>random moonrunes
>>334758023
Thats the sort of scheme thats just too beautiful for reality.
>>334758272
>removing kebab
>doing what ISIS wants
How the fuck are kebab going to do terror attacks in Europe if there's no kebab?
Terror attacks are proportional to the numbers of kebab. The more of them then the more terror attacks and the less of them the less terror attacks. It's simple numerics.
>>334758272
>let muslims in
>they turn to ISIS anyways
>keep muslims out
>they turn to ISIS in protest
>bomb ISIS out of existence
>somehow become a monster because of this
So how do we stop violent jihad? Let them outbreed us until they're the majority and they'll violently kill our infidel descendants? Keep making shitty drone strikes that kill more innocents anyways? What do you propose we do about this issue Ghandi?
>>334758435
There were multiple attacks, dumbass.
is this about a hipster making the long trek from san francisco to europe?
>>334757996
Lots you do know that the south was Byazantine only 100 years before the Islamic attacks right? The visigoths just turned up and decided they wanted iberia, then the muslim's did the same.
A migratory peoples had literally just finished killing the people who were there when the muslims came.
>>334758272
You're right, obviously the solution is to let millions of them into the country and pander to their every whim, because their children definitely won't become radicalized at the drop of a hat, right?
Oh wait, yes they do. We should bury every Muslim in Europe in one mass grave in Germany and shoot the rest on sight when they try to enter. ISIS isn't a threat unless you let it into your country.
>arrive in Turkey
>credits roll
>AYO HOL UP CRACKA. WE DONT NEEEEED YO CUMSKIN ROUND HEEAH. BIX NOOD MUHFUGGA GET OUT REEEEEEE
>>334758507
The only way to stop jihad is for obama to visit a few dozen more mosques and have big press releases by every media company saying muslims are all peaceful tolerant progressives
>>334758649
Literally irrelevant. They were fucking pirates and spend a millennium invading or trying to invade Europe. They deserved everything they got. I hope we kill ten million next time.
>>334755978
This
Their immigration crisis is nothing more than the chickens coming home to roost.
>>334752970
I'm sure it will be incredibly mediocre, game reviewers will gush over it being so brave and bold, and after the game bombs the devs will accuse gamers of being racist bigots.
Basically, who cares?
>>334758272
>You can't stop terrorist attacks by limiting movement of people. It has never fucking worked.
meanwhile the saudis threaten the US economy and the US government covers up their connection to 9/11. fuck off
>caring what the terrorists say they want
>>334758447
>>334758505
This isn't the fucking boer war. This is the modern world, where organisations like ISIS can get fake documents and move around easily. The people actually doing attacks are largely radicalised domestics, or professionals who will be moving via illicit means anyway. All you do with wide reaching net tactics is increase their recruitment and thus their power and ability to perform attacks.
>>334758507
>So how do we stop violent jihad?
Isolate them from their support, which is exactly what people are trying to do but emotional retards make it very difficult.
>>334752970
This game isn't even about Syria. And it barely has 100 views made by a "literally who" game developer. But that won't stop /pol/ from shitting all over it claiming it's some massive conspiracy by the leftist Jewish reptoids.
>>334758863
Nope. And when the Germans snap, they're going to bury every Dune Coon on the continent alive.
>>334758435
>everyone that doesn't agree with me is a crazy guy from /pol/
>>334758272
This, guys. Enough of this racist shit.
Islam is a religion of peace. That's why if you say mean things they'll go radical and want to blow themselves up.
We have to fight islamophobia and the paranoid xenophobic belief that muslims are somehow even remotely "dangerous". If we don't then muslims will kill us all.
>>334759025
>This is the modern world, where organisations like ISIS can get fake documents and move around easily.
Just like in Hungary, which blew them the fuck out and has suffered literally zero consequences.
>>334752970
>game about refugees
>not a FPS, TPS, RTS or Tower Defense
0/10 shit game should not exist
>>334759025
>Isolate them from their support,
so shut down wahhabist mosques? good idea
>>334759201
That guy is more of a shitposter than normal "anybody who says or believe X thing is from Y board". The first guy didn't even know about the killings; can't frequent /pol/ and not know about the fucking Paris mudslimening.
>>334758863
You leftists never cease to amaze me. Which is it? Is multiculturalism the greatest thing ever or is it a punishment for colonialism?
>>334759025
>This isn't the fucking boer war. This is the modern world, where organisations like ISIS can get fake documents and move around easily. The people actually doing attacks are largely radicalised domestics, or professionals who will be moving via illicit means anyway. All you do with wide reaching net tactics is increase their recruitment and thus their power and ability to perform attacks.
Discriminate by race. There's a high probability of an Arab being a Mohammedan. Don't let them in Europe. You treat third world migration like a force of nature that can't possibly be stopped. It can be stopped with the will and right mindset.
>>334759201I am a /pol/tard, though ;^)
>>334759025
>This isn't the fucking boer war.
And more's the fucking pity, because we actually won that one.
Here's a little tip, chief: no Muslims, no Muslim terrorism. If you kill all of them there is nobody left to make attacks.
Also, riddle me this: if Muslims are incapable of living in a country without being constantly pandered to, and will snap and begin blowing things up the second you even suggest that maybe their religion is not totally compatible with the Christian liberal democratic traditions of the Western world, and that maybe they will have to change even slightly to fit in, why the fuck would we want Muslims to live in our countries anyway?
Seriously, your argument is "if you make them feel bad they will kill us, but these people are still totally desirable to have in your country".
>>334759025
>Isolate them from their support,
How about we isolate them from the country
>The people actually doing attacks are largely radicalised domestics
Wow so even muslims who've been living here for decades are just as easy to flip on a dime and go radical! That'll sure make everyone rest easy
>>334759247
Because ISIS don't even consider hungary at all, if you're fucking irrelevent it doesn't fucking matter what you do.
>>334757776
I'd play the fuck out of that.
>>334759257
The Hatred guys are making one of those.
>>334758127
Hear, hear!
>>334759457
It's not like they've been being alienated for the past 15 years or anything, totally "drop of a hat"
>>334759445
For someone praising liberal values you're quick to throw them out the window.
>>334759410
>Don't let them in Europe.
How do you justify throwing out citizens en masse? how do you stop people moving through illicit channels?
I swear you guys live in fucking video game land.
>>334755785
>mudslimes are manipulative ratpeople too
ahhh feels good enjoy your newly earned anti-semitism neighbors
>>334759247
Who the fuck cares about Hungary? There's a reason no immigrants come to east Europe nobody leaves one shit hole to live in another shithole.
>>334759672
>migrants
>citizens
>>334759416
I need to stop defending people on /v/
>>334759672
>It's not like they've been being alienated for the past 15 years or anything, totally "drop of a hat"
I wonder what happened 15 years ago to make people think muslims were potential dangerous ideological killers?
>>334755978
LMAO
HAD TO READ THAT SHIT TWICE
YOU KEKED HARD BRO
YOU KEKED HARD
>>334759761
We're talking about domestics, because no matter how much you want it too be true just saying "no ay-rabs in europe" won't stop a professional terrorist. And domestic terrorists are the most dangerous.
>>334759672
Holy fuck
They're not citizens they're refugees
You're so dense
never saw that one before
>>334759672
>For someone praising liberal values you're quick to throw them out the window.
A right that a person possesses is an obligation conferred on somebody else. If you have a right to property I have an obligation to leave your property alone. Furthermore, rights come with responsibilities.
Why should we extend rights to people, shouldering the obligations that come along with those rights, when they cannot meet the responsibilities that are requisite of the rights?
Or, to put it another way, liberal democratic values are extended to liberal democrats, not to everyone.
>>334755992
Don't worry, the only people who are going to pay money to play this game crossed that fence a long time ago.
>>334759802
Don't worry, famoroni, you defended the right guy.
>>334759896
>2nd and 3rd generation kebabs turn radical and kill people
>we should let more in our countries
how about no
>>334759904
You won't stop the dangerous people getting in by saying no to refugees, this isn't up for fucking debate. What you will do is allow anti-western sentiment to build which is counterproductive to the goal of diminishing ISIS.
If that is your goal and not just some ideological bullshit.
>you can't ban guns! People will just find a way to get guns illegally!
>oh banning Muslims, that's totally a great idea and sounds flawless.
>>334760001
Make American Great Again Anon
>>334759672
>>How do you justify throwing out citizens en masse?
Why justify it?
Just fucking do it. It's beneficial to us and who gives a shit about them. No further "justification" needed. Political morality is different to individual morality.
>how do you stop people moving through illicit channels?
Australia managed it.
>>334756102
>modern and artsy
could actually be pretty cool, but this is not oregon trail, and has zero artistic merit. modern? sure. but trendy is a better word.
>>334752970
>204 views
Hi Mr. Indy Dev!
>>334760083
>You won't stop the dangerous people getting in by saying no to refugees, this isn't up for fucking debate
except """""refugees""""" have already committed crimes and terrorism
and Belgium etc. are overwhelmed because they let in 1000s who fought in Syria
stupid eurocucks
>>334760084
Stupid argument
Have you seen how they bring in refugees? It's not a hard system to end.
>>334759896
>>334759672
2nd and 3rd generation migrants are still migrants. If the government gave them citizenship then it can be revoked.
I guarantee you that if you do this that there will be no more kebab terrorism in Europe.
>>334760084
It's a lot harder to transport a living person than an object that can be broken down into small pieces you fucking retard
How can we advance as a species if we continue to keep the weakest of us barely alive with support that could better be used on advancing 90% of society than it's being used as pity funds on 10% of society, 1% of which will actually go on to contribute anything greater than being a baker or a shoe salesman?
Just get over there, fly the doctors and well-educated out of the danger zones and let natural selection do the rest.
Humanity was plagued as soon as feeling got involved. I swear, if aliens do exist and they ever find us, we're fucked.
The only way to stop jihadism is to appease muslims and let them know that nobody will ever criticize any of them or their beliefs ever again. No mocking of their beliefs, no saying islam is flawed, no drawing of their prophet, no partaking in media or arts that go against their preferences, no nothing. In fact our next president should convert to Islam, as should all european leaders.
We have to make them happy, or else.
We have to make them feel welcomed, or else
We have to make them appeased, or else.
For they are the Religion Of Peace And Pure Pacifism Peacefullness and if we don't do what they say they'll kill us all.
There is literally no way to control immigration. We have to let them all in and do our best to make sure they don't kill us. That's the liberal way.
>>334752970
How many white women are featured in the game that I can rape?
>4chan
Fuck this propaganda!
>Tumblt
A refugee who is a white cis male? Bullshit!
You lost both sides of the war.
>>334760284
That's literally evolution.
>>334760083
>You won't stop the dangerous people getting in by saying no to refugees
No but it'll end the dangerous refugees and save lots and lots of money
Looks pretty shit desu
Also
>fleeing to Europe from an obviously middle eastern/african looking setting
>everyone is white
>>334760189
Have you seen America? You won't stop refugees from getting in just by saying no to them.
>>334758272
Solution: Don't allow muslim communities.
>>334760107
>Just fucking do it.
This isn't how the world works, this isn't a video game.
>Australia managed it.
No it hasn't. Even turning itself into a fucking police state isn't stopping shit.
>This entire thread
Holy shit read a fucking book on Ethics or Political Philosophy instead of Breitbart articles or /pol/ infographs.
>>334760084
>making and bringing guns illegally is equivalent to shitskins trying to get through security from across the ocean
Found the cuck
>>334760449
>comparing people who have to literally cross thousands of miles and the fucking sea to people who are only a couple miles from a land border
>>334760449
Walls have worked time and time again nigger.
i just want a game where i am able to kill things is that so hard?
>Guys, to preserve our liberal way of life we just become fascists!
>>334760084
>people will find ways to illegally get Muslims
>>334760576
What point are you trying to make, famme?
>>334760449
most of the government wants illegal immigration and cheap labor
pick a better analogy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sovereign_Borders#Outcomes
>>334760627
try out Doom (1993)
>>334756976
>muh feels argument
Yeah, borders and laws r evul n shyt. You can fuck off now.
>>334756636
sauce on the picture please?
>>334760576
I'd rather read scientific studies which are the basis for infographs.
>>334760546
>This isn't how the world works, this isn't a video game.
The world is a brutal place. You would do well to remember that as barbaric savages become the majority in your country.
>>334760702
presumably the point he wants to make is /v/ is retarded and knows literally nothing about the real world, geopoltics, politics, ethic, or strategic thought.
>>334760449
It's pretty much like crime. Saying to not commit crimes or writing laws saying as much never works.
We can hire police officers and so on to enforce the laws, but just like walls or border laws, they never work and never do anything, so might as well not bother trying. There is no way to police crimes just like there is no way to enforce borders and immigration laws.
That's why we need to get rid of borders. We will never be able to stop the migrants with or without them anyways. We just have to cater to them the best way we know how, we have no other choice period. After all, if we don't lay a red carpet for them and ban any criticism, they'll kill us all in retaliation.
This isn't effectively an invasion with threat of force. Oh no, no no. Perish the thought.
Perish the thought.
>>334760597
Not without plenty of guns and mines and dedicated manpower.
>>334760576
>are you kidding me?????
lol
>>334760546
>This isn't how the world works
Ah yes, I forgot how the US clears all of its foreign policy decisions with philosophical academia before taking them.
This IS how the world works. Your philosophical wank is meaningless bullshit in the face of the security dilemma. States are security maximizers. Right and wrong are irrelevant.
>No it hasn't
Pic fucking related, dumbshit.
Yes, that's right, ZERO.
>>334760661
>if you don't want open borders you're a fascist
I LOVE 2016 I LOVE THE CURRENT YEAR
>>334752970
As an actual refugee from asia in the 80's I don't recall going to the most furthest country all the way on the other side of the world.
>>334752970
Finally someone revived the genre
>>334759834
you lost me
>>334760710
i meant i want that to be all games we dont need this psudo art bullshit
>>334760750
But the desire to enforce stronger borders is an emotionally driven one, not a rational one.
>>334760754
You clearly didn't read pew research's study then if you're posting that. If you even know what pew is.
>>334752970
>implying leftist would let in white refugees to their socialist states
>>334760778
explain the strategy of letting millions of muslims into your peaceful stable countries
>>334760801
Amen Anon
>>334760576
If you'd read as much Ethics as you thought you had then you'd have come face to face with realist ethics and the security dilemma.
Stop pretending like you've done any study and leave foreign policy to the professionals, kid.
>>334760880
It's been a decade, but it's finally here again... in VR!
>>334760576
>ethics and political philosophy
>not just bullshit from the writer's perspective
they're no better than a faulty or biased infograph, at least the infograph bothered to be concise
>>334760906
well, you don't have to play it, there's also Doom (2016) soon which is not pseudo art
>>334760943
But I did. The clear majority of Muslim individuals interviewed do, indeed, believe in the wide array of criterion that we lambast them for.
Please present a better argument or refrain from wasting both your time and my time.
>>334756976
no, they are not all evil. that would be silly.
but a great deal of them are terrible, dangerous neighbors, and terrorists openly admit to planting moles in their crowds.
this shit aint black and white. nut up my friend.
>>334758272
>not letting people who don't respect your culture, laws, religious institutions, government, and pretty mcuh everything else into your country means they win
The fact that there are people who unironically think this is absolutely baffling. The ones who came are doing nothing except being a drain on society and committing crimes. abloo abloo muh chilluns, they should have stopped along the way in all of those other safe countries between bumfuckistan and NORTHERN EUROPE.
>>334760995
i mean it shouldnt exist at all its cancer on the industry
>>334756636
>Australia was never globally relevant until Europe got involved. Its natives are literally comparable to fauna and their greatest invention was a fucking stick.
I would actually say it's the modern Refridgerator, Wi-fi and the notepad.
>get to safety within the first level
>the rest of the game is about getting to where the free money is and having your family die along the way
>>334760841
Yeah okay but that's just succumbing to fascism and racism. Border walls are racist and xenophobic. Just because they stop a security threat doesn't mean they're worth the ideological hit we'll take as a free liberal nation.
I mean, come on. There is literally no reason to fear millions of undocumented islamic migrants. When's the last time a muslim caused problems for anybody?
inb4 some bullshit terrorist attack by extremists, you know christians did the crusades hundreds of years ago right?
>>334755978
No doubt
>>334760784
Get a load of this degenerate liberal.
Here's an idea, publically execute all illegal immigrants in front of their anchor babies Guarantee you rates drastically decline, but limp wristed faggots like you would rather let others walk all over you, bend over, and take it in the ass.
>>334761149
>>334755215
The image is wrong, judging from the guys clothes it's rich arab family, probably from UAE, they don't do allahu akbar, they just swim in oil money all day.
>>334761149
>independent nations aren't free-er
Looks like a politically relevant shitty flash game. Fuck off with this lame shit. I bet they're gonna charge like 40 bucks for this garbage too. Kiss my buns
>>334761140
>not playing hard mode and island hopping to Italy
Fucking casuals nowadays, I tells you.
>>334760943
Enforcing borders is a role of government. You know that law and order stuff doesn't just happen spontaneously, ignorant anarcho-retard.
>muh emoshun
You can kill yourself now.
>>334758272
>t. muhammed alberto taqiyya barabosa
>>334756243
It's actually incredibly incredible for the men of migrant families to move in first so they can get jobs and thus get enough money to bring the rest of their family over.
Notice that I said "migrant," not "refugee."
>>334760841
>stopped asylum seekers
>hasn't stopped terrorism in australia
It's fucking nothing and only proves MY point.
>>334761057
If you had read it then you'd not be specifically ignoring the bits where they overwhelmingly wanted things to apply only to muslims.
>>334761082
>a drain
No they're a pre-emptive measure against an aging population to ensure future economic stability, this isn't altruism, it's economics.
>don't be mean to muslims, that's what the terrorists want!!
>IS literally says they are trying to send hundreds of terrorists in with the refugees
>come right in!!
europe is just stupid. I'll enjoy watching the next attack on TV though
>>334761149
You're bait. Holy fuck you got me good.
MASS
MIGRATION
LET US IN YOU EURO CUNTS
>>334752970
>DUWANG English
>Every character is the same sprite
This is a mobile game, right? Or a Steam Greenlight?
>>334757242
>9 illegals
>10 seeking assylum
>14 not from syria but still muslim
ehh maybe not syrian but still muslim. but you're right, that's another conversation, and i don't think you'd be comfortable talking about it.
>>334761368
Kill yourself mudslime
>>334752970
I personally would be much more interested in a game where you have to keep the fucking rapefugees out rather then one where you help them get in.
Seriously, all the fucking mudslimes need to fucking die already, the world will be made a much better place for their absence.
What virtuous parts of Islamic culture can Syrians enrich us with?
>>334761368
So now you're shifting the goalposts.
You said it was impossible to create strong borders which would prevent illegal entry. Faced now with indisputable evidence that you were incorrect you retreat further into your citadel of lies and misinformation in the hope that I will get bored and not pursue you further.
No, the strong border controls have not stopped terrorism in Australia.
They have stopped FOREIGN terrorism in Australia. ALL of Australia's terrorist attacks in recent years have been committed by domestic terrorists, not foreigners - this in contrast to the ones committed in Brussels and France. Clearly the border controls have prevented (or can prevent) foreigners entering the country and persecuting terrorist attacks.
>but domestic terrorists
Brussels and Paris have those too, and they have weak border controls. Clearly weak border controls are no more effective at preventing domestic terrorism than strong ones. Besides, there would be no domestic terror if there were no domestic Muslims.
You are wrong on every count.
>>334761201
granting citizenship just because some spic bitch hopped a border before shitting out a shitstain is one of the stupidest bullshit things this country does.
Citizenship should be inherited and granted though proper channels only.
>>334761368
>>No they're a pre-emptive measure against an aging population to ensure future economic stability,
Better economic instability then the destruction of secular civilization at the hands of theocratic barbarians.
I mean do you have any idea how much better off western europe would be if they had something like Japan's problem instead?
>>334761368
>No they're a pre-emptive measure against an aging population to ensure future economic stability, this isn't altruism, it's economics.
Sustainability is cutting the welfare state, not expanding liabilities by bringing in a permanent underclass and economic burden. These people will never be economically productive and neither will the 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation of them. What you advocate for will lead to a failed state and ethnic conflict.
>>334761554
>OBJECTIVE: Save Europe
>Every time you make any progress it gets undone the next day thanks to muh feelings
>No matter what you do Europe falls
>Everyone blames you for it
>>334761793
>You said it was impossible to create strong borders which would prevent illegal entry. Faced now with indisputable evidence that you were incorrect you retreat further into your citadel of lies and misinformation in the hope that I will get bored and not pursue you further.
You do realise illegal entry isn't all documented, because it's fucking illegal.
And brussels and france were domestic.
You're just a retard who is literally disagreeing with every secuirt think tank on the planet right now.
>>334761863
>Sustainability is cutting the welfare state
IMF disagrees with you on that front. It's been attacking austerity economics for years because it's retarded and doesnt' work.
>>334761389
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of scenario.
If you keep them out you have a bunch of disenfranchised Muslims who feel like they have been left behind and thus are far more liable to go extremists.
But recent experience has shown that letting them in ends with most of the migrants holing up in a bunch of segregated neighborhoods with shitty job prospects and little to no outside attempts at integration, which then promptly becomes an extremist breeding ground.
Shit could work if Europeans were tough enough to integrate these new arrivals. The Americans treated their industrial revolution immigrants like shit, and that ended up working itself out after a generation or two (save for a couple of race riots and humanitarian disasters).
>>334761793
Stop responding to it.
>>334761368
So, you went from arguing that we should let them in because to economic stability. I have bad news for you, Mr. high school dropout, but importing a bunch of shit-skins does nothing to help the economy. They're a net drain on the economy.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6697/sweden-collapse
https://swedenreport.org/immigration-3/
Committing ethnic suicide for some so-called economic prosperity that never comes isn't exactly an intelligent thing to bank on, muhammad. I see why you're retarded enough to shit-post about it on /v/ though.
>>334761368
>they overwhelmingly wanted things to apply only to muslims
How about the part where majority of Muslims believe in the death penalty for apostasy?
>>334761879
>OBJECTIVE: Save Europe
Check this out, Nadim Portant's parents are making another gem on the subject matter
http://store.steampowered.com/app/448370/
>>334760754
>Azerbaijan
>most progressive/liberal
It's amusing that the country that gave women the right to vote before the US/UK remains the most tolerant of all the muslim countries.
>if you say bad things about mudslimes they'll kill you
>religion of peace
>>334761934
Think tanks operate from a liberal worldview. Their premise is wrong from the outset and any conclusions derived from a faulty premise is a faulty conclusion.
>>334762015
You understand that without cuts you need perpetual population growth?
>>334752970
I'd play it, as long as I get a loli wife.
Why do european women love African men?
>>334762258
Don't say bad things about them and they won't kill you.
Sounds peaceful to me :^)
>>334760784
>There is no way to police crimes
>they never work and never do anything
>>334761130
I think you missed his point, did aboriginals invent those?
>>334761934
>You do realise illegal entry isn't all documented, because it's fucking illegal.
It's pretty hard to hide a fucking boat, m8. Australia's surface radar network is sensitive enough to pick up a Cessna landing in Indonesia.
The effects of border control can be judged by the number of illegals caught. If you change nothing but the border controls and are suddenly catching vastly fewer illegal entrants then clearly the controls are having an effect.
>And brussels and france were domestic.
Au contraire. Though born in Belgium and France the majority of them travelled to Syria in 2013-14 and returned from there close to committing their attacks. With stricter border controls they could have been caught.
Furthermore, even if you argue that simple birth constitutes domesticity then it only supports the claim that strength of border controls has nothing to do with the growth of domestic terrorism.
>disagreeing with every secuirt think tank on the planet right now
[citation needed].
But even assuming that is correct, security think tanks are supposed to give actionable results. It is patently obvious to say "no muslims? No terror" but that's not a policy that any Western government can actually implement. A security think tank that doesn't provide politically feasible recommendations isn't going to get commissioned very often. Security think tanks first and foremost have to create politically palatable programs and processes. Everything that they recommend has to be recommended within the sphere of "well, at least this can actually be achieved, even if it isn't ideal".
>>334761302
do you know how many of the 9/11 hijackers came from saudi arabia
lmao
>>334762629
Why the fuck are you shitting up /v/, take this to pol you retarded sand-nigger.
>>334762725
I didn't start it. I only joined in about halfway through.
Interesting that it's only me you shitpost at, though.
>>334762567
>It's almost universal practice in Islamic countries to name your first male child mohammed
Yes, a brown person named mohammed fits the description of hundreds of thousands of the "refugees". It's mathematically impossible to do any meaningful police work in that situation.
>>334762573
I think you're missing the point that Australia as an actual nation didn't exist until 1901
>>334754043
Yeah, thoughtful critique.
>>334762674
My point is only poor and stupid become jihadists, the guy on the image is rich
>>334761863
>What you advocate for will lead to a failed state and ethnic conflict.
At least there won't be any white people left, though! You gotta take the small victories while you can, right?
>>334761934
Don't worry about these jokers, dude. They think they can stop the flood of millions upon millions of third worlders into our countries. And they actually think it has any downsides!
>>334762046
>If you keep them out you have a bunch of disenfranchised Muslims who feel like they have been left behind and thus are far more liable to go extremists.
Wrong, they are a Religion Of Peace, so there are no extremists. The extremists don't count as True Muslims. Stop your disgusting fucking racist islamophobia or I'll report you to Mark Zuckerberg.
>Shit could work if Europeans were tough enough to integrate these new arrivals.
That's called Eurocentrism and White Supremacy, and is just as racist as anything else. Muslims need to be free to be exactly like how they were in their third world theocratic shitholes, which is to set up their own religious courts in their communities free from any intervention of oversight from the state or from media criticism, and protest with murders against cartoonists when they feel slighted against in any remote way. It's our duty to cater to them and appease them so they don't retaliate further. We have to learn to love them!
If they do attack, it's the white europeans fault for being mean to them or not trusting them 100%. The whites must have done something wrong to deserve it. Why be so paranoid of a group, just for over a few thousand dead? The right response is not to call them out on it, or to increase surveillance of these segregated neighbourhoods, but instead to say that there is no problem period ever no matter what.
The only way to fight against religious extremism is to let more potential religious extremists in, until they're all happy and surrounded only by the people they trust - other muslim extremists.
>>334760784
>they never work and never do anything, so might as well not bother trying. There is no way to police crimes
what fucking world do you live in
what happens when someone commits a crime? they get arrested, the thought of being arrested deters others from committing the same crime
now explain to me how that is not working
>>334761349
What does "t." stand for ? I keep seeing it but Google is useless for this.
>>334759707
hungary isn't at war.
>After stealing and raping everything that wasn't held down in your own country make your way to Europe and continue your stealing and raping sprees.
>>334752970
>combat with a fox
Too goofy to take any level of seriousness
to indie to give a damn about the plot
Papers please was a very well made game that coupled oppressiveness in both gameplay,atmosphere and theme
Is there anything more disgusting and pathetic than a white "man" defending mudslimes?
>>334762998
Listen to my full point.
Like the other guy is saying, you can't control immigration. Borders are impossible to police or enforce. Period. In that way, they are just like any other law.
Just like there's no point in policing borders, there's no point in policing any other law or crime either. After all, crime still happens, right? Might as well just open the floodgates and deal with the fallout. There is literally no way we can control immigration.
>>334760083
>What you will do is allow anti-western sentiment
Anti-western sentiment is already the norm. The enemy is in the city and now we need to enact quarantine.
>>334763109
>Papers please was a very well made game that coupled oppressiveness in both gameplay,atmosphere and theme
This.
Papers, Please is the way to do "political" games. The gameplay itself conveys the theme of mind-numbing oppressive despondency while still being enjoyable. It actually reinforces the narrative.
>>334759445
>If you kill all of them there is nobody left to make attacks.
except genocide has never been a)successful. b)remembered fondly
it's grossly inefficient and even if you "win" (you won't 100% there are 7 billion people in the world, dwi), your decedents will lose.
>die from loneliness
I don't need this game to know this feel.
>it's not the refugee's fault
>the terrorists were born in Europe!
Why do people think this argument works? If anything it paints a not too good picture that western educated and western raised Arabs are more radical than 1st generation Arab immigrants.
They're right but it means we have to get rid of all of the non Europeans since the get more radical and criminal with each subsequent generation.
>>334763297
>Anti-western sentiment is already the norm
Yes, and the only way to stop that is to let millions of anti-western people into the west. Then they will finally be appeased and stop attacking us.
>>334760943
>the desire to enforce stronger borders is an emotionally driven one, not a rational one
nigger you have got to be trolling
>>334752970
yes, surely this will mirror reality in a truthful fashion and won't at all be propagandist and more mirrored than a fucking funhouse.
>this thread
when is the suicide bombing dlc drops?
>>334759672
>I swear you guys live in fucking video game land.
then go discuss politics in /pol/, or /news/, or /hist/
>>334752970
poor refugee
they gud bois
lawyers and engineers
mo' ficky fo' mo' GDP
>>334759445
muslims aren't violet, religious fundamentalists are
>>334763235
>Yes! Open Borders for EVERYONE! Come and live in my country!
>What, you're raping and killing my people? Trying to remove and destroy the local culture by saying that it 'offends you'?
>Don't worry! We'll make allowances for that! We'll cover up everything you do and make sure we remove all those horrible things in our EVIL oppressive culture that defend you!
>>334763257
>you can't control immigration
yes you can, it's why you don't see your or i skipping across borders freely because the thought of getting caught deters us, these people aren't deterred because the harshest penalty they face is a "no" that has no effect
>After all, crime still happens, right?
no shit it still happens, this is not about stopping all crime, it's about preventing most of it through the fear of what happens if they catch you
why are you assuming criminals committing crimes is a testament to the police or laws not working
>>334763716
Don't know what you're talking about, they're all pretty much shades of brown.
>>334753167
>anasheya
great taste anon
time to fap
>>334752970
>crafting
this needs to stop
Papers Please already did a better job of commenting on immigration
>>334759834
t. my sides
>>334763373
>it's grossly inefficient and even if you "win" (you won't 100% there are 7 billion people in the world, dwi), your decedents will lose.
Race targeting bio weapons. If we exterminate all the third worlders Europeans will never be able to destroy our nations with pathological altruism ever again.
>except genocide has never been a)successful. b)remembered fondly
It's only since the post war era that genocide has been seen as a great evil. That's a brief perspective in our grander worldview. The goal of any organism should be self preservation. And if we have a perspective that impedes that then that perspective is wrong. It's simply a fact of life.
We need to adopt a new perspective of glorifying strength rather than weakness.
>>334763373
>except genocide has never been a)successful
Worked in Tasmania, and we've almost finished off breeding out the rest of the fullblooded Aboriginals in Australia. Give it 50 years and there won't be any true Aboriginals left. Give it 150 and there won't even be Aboriginal culture.
There's not a lot of moors in Iberia anymore either.
>b) remembered fondly
Because of dumbshits like you who don't understand that state morality is different to individual morality.
>it's grossly inefficient
>even if you "win" (you won't 100% there are 7 billion people in the world, dwi), your decedents will lose.
Imagine if, during the first war between Israel and the Arabs, the Israelis had just wiped out every single Arab in mandatory Palestine. Imagine if all of those Arabs were fucking dead.
There would be no Gaza Strip. No West Bank. No endless low-level conflict interspersed with brutal offensives. And what we have today is going to continue for decades. Maybe even centuries.
ALL of that suffering could have been prevented with a comparatively small amount of genocide to nip it in the bud. If you're a utilitarian then genocide is the solution to ethnic conflict, because ethnic conflict
never
goes
away.
>but imagine how much the arabs who were left would hate Israel
They already fucking hate Israel you stupid cunt. Refraining from genocide has done nothing but cause Israel more suffering, and it has created entire generations of Palestinians born to suffer and then die. Instead of killing just one generation, wiping out the bloodline and population for good, there have been several generations born to do nothing but starve and bleed.
>>334763716
Eliminate the religion and you eliminate the fundamentalists.
>>334757809
>large trade kingdoms and empires that sprawled large amounts of the continent
>large amounts of the continent
>whity gone
>zimbab now without food
>murder rates off the roof
>be ching chong
>angry at brits for opium wars
>see refugee bullshit
>make game promoting liberal apologist bullshit
>game tells them to go to fucking europe
>more liberals eat this shit up and ask for more refugees
>Europe falls
>???
>profit!!
Politics are for autists.
All of you kill yourselves.
>>334763257
>You could go to jail if you do that.
>Ok I'd better not do that.
>>334763716
This! And as everybody knows, there's no such thing as a muslim fundamentalist!
Now sit tight guys as I make a youtube rant about the crazy republican fundies and how much I fucking hate christians and the westboro baptist church who I don't even think exist anymore and then link you to my anti-bible site and all the evil flaws and deeds that christianity and christians have done!
END ISLAMOPHOBIA!!
>>334763916
>these people aren't deterred because the harshest penalty they face is a "no" that has no effect
Any kind of harsh penalty will just inflame the domestics already living here and make the Peaceful Religion of Peaceful Pacifists to kill us all.
We cannot enforce evil racists xenophobic laws like borders. We have no choice but to let them in, or else they'll kill us all. That's what being a liberal country is all about!
itt: neckbeards furiously debate issues they hardly understand that have nothing to do with video games
>>334752970
>Go to Bulgaria
>Beat to death by police
>>334752970
>Refugees
>moonlight sonata starts playing
>Guys guys how about we make a game about refugees....
*crowd leans in*
>...and we make them WHITE
*people start snickering*
>...and it's a chinese mobile game where you battle against wolves
*laughter*
>...and for advertising, we'll just shill it on 4chan and let the /pol/ crowd generate traffic in the thousands
*lungs explode from laughter*
>chinks gloating at europe being reduced to ruins
>refugee is white with red hair
So are they fucking retarded or do they not realize they are turning their entire country, and that includes the rural regions, into a toxic waste dump?
EUROPEAN CULTURE IS DYING
>WHITE PEOPLE HAVING A CULTURE
LMAO YEAH RIGHT LIKE WHAT?
HANNAH WHO CAN ONLY MAKE A HAM AND CHEESE SANDWICH ON WONDER BREAD?
MOVE ALONG WHITE PEOPLE, YOUR "CULTURE" IS FUCKING BORING!!! BLACK PEOPLE ARE COOL!! MUSLIMS ARE HIP!!!
YOUR BORING NORMAL WHITE CULTURE IS LITERALLY KILLING ME!!!!
>>334756204
>no statistics for Israel
:)
>>334759960
that shit is brilliant
who did you study, my friend? and where do you think we are, having principles like that?
>>334752970
My thoughts are that we should genocide the subhumans and above all the cucks enabling them.
Thankfully, said traitors outed themselves willingly thanks to social medias, which are archived dozens of times and so no amount of deletion will remove the potential for retroactive purging.
It only takes one genocidal government to forever get rid of subhumanity and treachery.
Especially since cucks tend to enjoy racemixing, and DNA markers will never go away, every millenias from now their bloodline will carry the Mark of treachery.
In less than two decades, portable DNA decoders wil be possible. One such decoders for each right wing death squad.
Prepare yourselves lads.
>>334754695
I don't have to be near a landfill to know what garbage smells like.
>>334764151
nothing wrong with religion, just maybe don't stone/blow up/declare war on people who don't do religion, or something
>>334763716
Westboro Baptist Church don't kill people.
Muslim extremists are violent because Islam is violent. If it was a religion of peace, they would be extremely peaceful.
>>334752970
Hope the creators lose loved ones in terrorist attacks.
>>334763592
They're just seeing if it's safe and then they'll tell their women and children to come!
>>334764590
and then they'll expunge you from the gene pool for being an edgy faggot
>>334760107
>No further "justification" needed.
but anon what about all the people that have to cooperate to make a mass expulsion/extermination happen?
you have to justify it to them bro
you're opponent is right, this isn't a video game where you push a button and shit just goes down. or at least, not THAT kind of video game.
justify the the shit to me so we can debate, nig
>>334752970
Just because its topical doesn't mean its gonna be a good game, nor does it mean its okay to push political agendas via this videogame.
Wont play or pirate. Hope it and the devs that made it fail for such blatant misuse of this medium.
>>334761201
meh, having more woman around to do the dirty work is not an issue. and honestly, new borns are going to grow up watching american media so they grow up to be normal amercans
>>334764664
Easy to say, but what is there worth defending about Islam?
I mean the solution is obvious. If you eliminate the religion you eliminate the fundamentalists and terrorists whom it fuels. The only reason _not_ to do that is if there was some compelling thing worth refraining from and absorbing the costs of fundamentalism and terrorism for.
What is it?
>>334764167
Europe sliced up Africa into rather arbitrary pieces, grouping together people who hated each other some times. This was fine when Europe was occupying them, but when they left, the groups began to fight each other for control. Well you're right, Africa would probably still be a shithole without European meddling, we wouldn't see nearly as much genocide and strife as we do today.
You know what's funny ?
Every single people hate muslims ( even muslims hate muslims ).
And the ONE reason they're not getting genocided ?
The west.
What are they killing right now ?
The west.
1+1=MATHS BE HARAM KILL DA INFIDEL
>>334764335
When Chinese people talk about racism to westerners they act like it's a horrible thing. But they're only pretending. They think it's all a joke and will laugh about it.
That's what everyone else in the world thinks about us. They think we're insane. I spent two years working in China. I've seen one Chinese guy talking to other westerners about how horrible it is that Hungary won't accept refugees and then a minute later he goes on to another person about how much he hates niggers. He only went along with the western thing because he thought it was funny to humour westerners.
>>334764906
>nor does it mean its okay to push political agendas via this videogame.
This just in: People can make games about whatever the fuck they want because we're not in 1940s Germany or North Korea
>>334765000
>Africa would probably still be a shithole without European meddling, we wouldn't see nearly as much genocide and strife as we do today.
If western medicine and misguided compassion hadn't allowed their population to balloon out of control, they'd be better off altogether.
>>334764891
Let Israel off their leash.
Problem.
Solved.
>>334760758
>i know because i played games like vice city and dynasty warriors
>>334764891
>you have to justify it to them bro
"You are employed by the state to fulfil a task, and even if you find that task distasteful you have to understand that state morality and individual morality are distinct. You are acting as a part of the state, not as an individual."
But that's very highbrow. The usual way is to just pay them money.
>justify the the shit to me so we can debate, nig
Why? There are 300,000,000 people in America. I'm sure we can find enough people who will do their job for money instead of philosophical feel-good asspats.
>>334764862
Don't forget to virtue signal on your prefered social media, friend ;^)
>>334765024
Are Asians acceptable of Westerners who don't follow politically correct beliefs? Like if you agreed with that guy's views on niggers, for example, would he think you're alright?
>>334763716
t. ahmed muhammed al-habibi
I mean it's not like they don't deserve any help, if there was a giant civil war in my country I'd probably leave. It's just that letting in several million people into western Europe can only end badly, it ended badly for Paris and it ended badly for Brussels
>>334765205
He would probably get confused and think you are trying to trick him into saying something abrasive.
>European games developer trying to fool people into thinking it's an Asian game
Gross. Trust the West to come up with a lame, indie platformer like this.
>>334764667
WBC is a back woods group consisting of maybe 30 people.
If they were in charge of, say, the majority religious doctrine of the US, then faggot blood would flood the streets
Which is what happened to Islam.
>>334765291
That bad, eh? Eesh.
>>334764015
I bet it's one of those faggots who film all his "good deeds" and put them on youtube to show everyone online what he did
>>334765342
>past tense
Oh, anon...
>mfw European
>mfw Americucks think the civilized world is gonna capitulate before a bunch of imported sandniggers because they get all their news from /pol/
>meanwhile affordable education and health care and several hundred percent less likely to get shot
>>334752970
Why are the Rapefugees white ?
>Why are the Rapefugees white ?
>Why are the Rapefugees white ?
>Why are the Rapefugees white ?
>Why are the Rapefugees white ?
> Tfw this game is just going to shill the 'import everyone from shitty companies with no experience and give them everything while they rape our women'-rhetoric that's become increasingly common in real life.
>>334754043
Is it summer already?
>>334765749
>summer
It's been eternal summer for years now, pal.
>>334754043
There are these dubs.
>>334765205
Asians don't care whether your belief is politically correct or not. Just make sure you back up your beliefs with some semblance of logic and don't be rude about it. Otherwise if you're a fuckwit they'll know you're full of shit.
>>334765432
Know that feel, bro. We'll get up from our comfy socialist sleep when there's actual problems to solve. Let the /pol/acks meme their memes.
>>334765929
>tfw we're all summerfags to someone unless you were using the internet in college back in the 80s
>>334752970
>procedurally generated
check
>craft things
check
>food meter
check
>early access
check
>>334766120
That is good then.
>>334766148
I didn't mean it that way but in my humble opinion, 4chan has reached an unprecedented low in overall quality within the last ~2 years due to overwhelming amounts of newfags and literal underageb&. That is not to say that the site was in prime pristine condition beforehand but the downfall began long ago and now it is irreparable.
>>334754043
Kill yourself you disgusting nigger.
>>334766319
Almost forgot:
>""""""""""""""roguelike""""""""""""""""
>>334765205
Chinese don't have political correctness. It's a bit difficult to explain what they think.
To them anti racism is a way to signal social status; a way to say you're western educated. They just pretend and don't actually believe it. They get confused too because they think westerners don't actually believe it either. Chinese people are used to saying things that they don't really believe and just pretending to. That's from the effect of communism where they always had to agree with the party on everything.
Does that make sense? When it comes to race in China every Chinese has a view much like /pol/. They'll openly talk about it and they're not afraid to.
>>334765432
>affordable education and health care
yeah, because it's all free, right?
>>334764953
When Michel Djotodia rose to power in the Central African Republic and the Anti-balaka (Christian militia groups) started inquisitioning the Muslims living there who had been minding there own business for about a century, people didn't blame Christianity for the violence, they blamed the dictator who used fundamentalism to ensure absolute power.
Just like Ayatollah (and furthermore NATO covert-ops groups) is to blame for the destabilization/fundamentalization of Iran.
I live in Dearborn, which has the highest Muslim population of the US I believe. I go to an Islamic barber and he's a normal dude, aside from taking breaks to pray and not eating during certain parts of the year. I ask him about ISIS and beheadings and all that and he wants nothing to do with it, he hates those fucking people.
What you're suggesting is that, because ISIS is commiting atrocities overseas, the people living next door to me should be expunged. You're suggesting that if there's a tumor in your foot you need to cut off your leg.
>>334762076
hush you, im learning about muzzies
>>334766678
That makes perfect sense. I understand what you mean. Thanks for explain.
>>334765342
>the majority religious doctrine of the US, then faggot blood would flood the streets
Well then anon, you do realize that Islam is the majority religious doctrine of MENA countries and faggotry is punishable by death in nearly all of them?
>>334755978
Uh huh
>>334764664
>The religion outright tells you to stone/blow up/declare war on people who aren't part of it
>"There's nothing wrong with the religion if you erase all the parts of it that are wrong"
>>334766834
I have a black friend too therefore there's no problem with black crime rates
If you can't tell the extremists from the "moderates" until after they've killed then you have to get rid of all of them to be extra sure.
Who the fuck is this reddit shill on /v/
>>334752970
I'm sure its riddled with guilt, the kind that only works on the Dutch and Sweden and one of those other weenie countries that I get confused with the other one.
>>334754043
>hurr why don't people lap up propaganda
Do I have an option to rape women and claim im 13?
>>334766743
I said affordable, not free.
>"b-but the money has to come from somewhere"
Yup. So what? It's worth every penny and we still have a higher standard of living.
>>334767087
>you do realize that Islam is the majority religious doctrine of MENA countries and faggotry is punishable by death in nearly all of them?
The majority population in the majority of muslim countries are just a few radical extremists, stop generalizing so much
>>334766937
explaining*
>>334754043
>defending rape
you people are the scum of the earth
>>334765432
Yes I sure enjoy bleeding out in the waiting room in hospitals, paying 4000 dollaroos to fix my teeth and waiting 8 years to get an apartment when a rapefugee can get it instantly for free
>>334767087
...yes? I'm not arguing that doesn't happen? I'm arguing that Fundamentalism is to blame. lrn 2 reading comprehension
>>334767132
The bible says the same kind of stuff, so I guess we shouldn't have Christians anymore either.
>>334755978
europe made them better, you should read up on how bad they were before
>>334767443
>4chan is suddenly against rape
What happened?
>>334766743
>haha nothing is free why should we spend money on socialist bullshit like affordable education
>hey let's buy more F-35
>>334767201
Yeah so let's kill all the black people.
>>334767647
F35 program a shit, I agree.
but really socialist healthcare and education programs would cost far more
>>334767518
>The bible says the same kind of stuff, so I guess we shouldn't have Christians anymore either.
Oh yes I also remember jesus consummating his marriage with a 9 year old
>>334767518
>The bible says the same kind of stuff, so I guess we shouldn't have Christians anymore either.
The bible is written by many people and interpreted by them differently and as such there are many different ways to interpret what each book of the bible meant because they are believed by Christians to be written by people and the words of people so they can be interpreted differently. There's room for error because Christianity recognizes that the interpretation of god's word by man is flawed.
Muslims believe the Q'ran is the literal word of god, verbatim, word for word, and wasn't interpreted by anybody, but is literally god's word. There is no room for interpretation in Islam. Either you believe every word is literal and god's word or you're a heretic.
>>334767796
tldr: the ends justify the means
protip: they don't
>Thread about organizing literal ethnic cleansing and genocides with literal pictures of nigger rapes
>402 replies and going
Wow, I thought Hiroshima Nagasaki had actually hired new mods?
>>334765205
Asians don't care about political correctness. If they tell you they support immigration its usually so they don't trigger westerners' beliefs.
On the note of racism, they usually don't care unless you fuck up really badly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzyaa2tfwBk
>>334768143
Mods have been worthless for years, newfriend.
>>334767959
confirmed for not knowing what the fuck you are talking about
There's a gazillion different schools of Islam based solely on what passages of the Quran they arbitrarily think "count". There's countless passages and letters strictly forbidding killing innocents, Christians, etc.
It's just that Muslims, much like Christians back in the day, just leave out anything that's inconvenient for them.
>>334752970
I liked it better when it was called Final Fantasy 5
>>334768345
>There's a gazillion different schools of Islam
There's shiite, and suuni.
>>334753310
It won't be an authentic refugee simulator then.
>>334768143
Yes anon.
We're literally organizing ethnic -
Did you read your post?
>>334768126
>protip: they don't
For you.
Enjoy your sharia and slow genocide fag.
>>334764060
>but imagine how much the arabs who were left would hate Israel
and what of the non-arabs who are mad for them? the guys who don't understand state/individual morality? how do you defend yourself from them?
can you convince them? because you're not doing a very good job convincing me.
>>334768126
So I guess you're an anarchist then?
All laws are backed by force. Every speeding ticket is a threat - "pay or else". Every judge is a tyrant and police officers carry guns.
Laws expunging Muslims are no different to laws against speeding or laws against domestic violence. You're upset because they would inevitably result in suffering for Muslims because you view Muslims as a protected class who shouldn't be made to suffer. Why don't you extend the same sympathy to people who speed, who are suffering under the yoke of state-imposed restrictions on motorways? Why not to wifebeaters, who want nothing more to beat their wives in a beautiful celebration of thousands of years of familial tradition?
Because you don't view those causes as worthy.
The actual effect of a law against Muslims is no different to a law against speeding or wifebeating. Speeders are exposed to the exact same force as Muslims would be. You justify that as saying that speeding is bad, so threatening speeders with force to get them to stop speeding is okay (aka the ends justify the means).
Islam is bad, so threatening Muslims with force to get them to stop practicing their faith is okay. Islam has nothing but costs for society. If you can give me a reason that it's worth defending I'll gladly listen, but nobody has so far.
That's all I've been asking for. Tell me why we should bear the burden.
>>334767959
>Christianity recognizes that the interpretation of god's word by man is flawed.
Tell that to the Spanish Inquisition.
>>334768404
>what are wahabists
>what are salafists
>what are alawites
etc
Sunni and Shia Islam have dozens of sub-schools/branches
>>334768793
People did.
Could be interesting, like This War of Mine.
I'll pick it up.
>>334767869
>stone/blow up/declare war on people
woah where does fucking a nine year old come into play?
>>334768167
>Asian Norm Macdonald lectures Omar Epps on why he shouldn't be so lazy
>>334754043
INTERNET HATE MACHINE
>>334754043
shut up cuck
>>334768726
>how do you defend yourself from them?
With guns.
>what of the non-arabs who are mad for them?
Nobody cares about the Middle East. Don't pretend any state would lift a finger for the cause of righteousness. Nobody has before.
>the guys who don't understand state/individual morality?
Give them money and they'll shut up.
>>334760753
>>334768167
fucking finally
>>334768751
>Laws expunging Muslims are no different to laws against speeding or laws against domestic violence.
Except that in the united states we call that a violation of the first amendment and unconstitutional.
Mind you I'm not fond of the immigrants turning Germany into a rape festival, but -
I think suffering this burden is more important to keep our constitution in tact. Otherwise, the damage done to it now is irreparable and is worse than anything any number of immigrants could do.
>>334754043
There's also smug reaction pics.
>>334752970
>you’ll be able to craft things
Should I just assume "things" is the culturally sensitive way of saying bombs?
>>334769274
>Except that in the united states we call that a violation of the first amendment and unconstitutional.
Then change the Constitution.
>keep our constitution in tact
The Constitution was made to be amended.
>>334768345
Muhammad himself conquered two cities. The guys that ate dinner with him, married his kids, and were more or less his disciples that heard the plan directly from the horses mouth went on to start a military campaign that would last centuries. Shit you can't really attribute to someone like Buddha or Jesus. There's nothing inherently peaceful about the religion from its inception and the guys in ISIS are emulating the founders far more accurately than most want to admit. Not all muslims are evil but they and their countries would be far better off if they were buddhists, christians, atheists, or almost anything else. We talk about muslims like they're an immutable ethnic group because we know in most places where muslims have power swearing it off is punishable by death. Theres little to suggest the religion being inherently peaceful outside of attempts to make it palatable to western sensibilities.
>>334768751
The first amendment is an essential liberty.
You would only feel temporarily safer without muslims.
You want to sacrifice the first amendment for a feeling of temporary safety.
>>334769449
You understand of course that essential liberties such as the first amendment would be nearly impossible to get back once gone. In fact without it, it would jeopardize all essential liberties in the constitution. No harm that any number of immigrants could do would be nearly as bad as removing that.
>non-violent muslims will never renounce Islam or break away and form their own silly sect of Islam like Mormons
>there will never be a prophet named Johammad Smissan who goes on to write the New Book of Islam
>tfw no Broadway musical
>>334756269
>millions of europeans
OY VEY REMEMBER THE 6 GORILLION EUROPEANS WHO DIED BY THE HAND OF MUSLIMS
>>334769746
mormons are their own brand of silly as well.
>>334752970
>can't even be brutally raped and enslaved by a cute aryan european man and forcefully turned into his personal cum dumpster
0/10 shit game
>>334769498
>The first amendment is an essential liberty.
A right that a person possesses is an obligation conferred on somebody else. If you have a right to property I have an obligation to leave your property alone. Furthermore, rights come with responsibilities.
Why should we extend rights to people, shouldering the obligations that come along with those rights, when they cannot meet the responsibilities that are requisite of the rights?
Or, to put it another way, liberal democratic values are extended to liberal democrats, not to everyone.
>You want to sacrifice the first amendment for a feeling of temporary safety.
I'd sacrifice the whole world and everything - and everyone - in it for security. Want to know why? Because nothing can exist without security. Security is the prerequisite to everything - even liberty. A liberal, insecure society will not exist for long.
>mfw the mods just warned me
I assume they're going to warn everyone else in this fucking thread, too? I didn't start this bullshit, I joined in halfway through. I don't see why I'm more responsible than anyone else for it just because my views are less popular.
Also
>political discussion is off-topic
>in a game ABOUT POLITICS
>>334769489
>Theres little to suggest the religion being inherently peaceful outside of attempts to make it palatable to western sensibilities.
Didn't say Islam is a peaceful religion. Neither is Christianity. World religions in general are regressive garbage that needs to me limited and kept in check in western society.
That doesn't change the fact that 99% of "Religion of peace am I rite xDDD" spouting people are just racist /pol/ memers with the political understanding of a roadkilled skunk.
>>334752970
I've wanted a 4X game where you manage a migratory tribe for years.
I'll keep an eye on this.
Looks like trash and it will fade into obscurity tumblerite
>>334754043
>4Chan
>C
How to spot a libcuck.
>>334769712
>You understand of course that essential liberties such as the first amendment would be nearly impossible to get back once gone
You know what would be _actually_ impossible to get back once gone?
Your country.
An illiberal USA can return to liberty, but a kingdom once destroyed can never come again into being. You wouldn't be facing this decision if you'd retained sensible border controls in the first place anyway, but now the enemy is inside you and you've got a difficult future.
>>334769746
Yeah, that's the part I never understood about the entire situation. If it really is "not all muslims", then why don't said non-radical Muslims break off and form a more peaceful sect of Islam that can coincide with a more Western mindset?
>>334755978
>Australia
>shithole
Better check your sources, senpai.
>>334770035
>rights come with responsibilities.
No.
>Why should we extend rights to people, shouldering the obligations that come along with those rights, when they cannot meet the responsibilities that are requisite of the rights?
They haven't done anything to lose those rights other than exercise them.
Are you familiar with strict scrutiny?
>>334770179
>An illiberal USA can return to liberty
An illiberal USA is destroyed. The country, if not free, ceases to be that nation that was conceived as a free nation.
If it doesn't exist as a free nation, it doesn't exist at all.
Live free or die, tyrant.
>>334770070
>That doesn't change the fact that 99% of "Religion of peace am I rite xDDD" spouting people are just racist /pol/ memers
Don't forget american, canadian, and european world leaders and media heads.
>>334770179
>You know what would be _actually_ impossible to get back once gone?
>
>Your country.
Lmao
>>334770224
The Ahmaddiya muslims are exactly that. They reject all the violent verses in the Qur'an and only preach peace and integration.
unurprisingly, they are hated and persecuted by the other muslims.
>>334758272
>someone makes an actually reasonable post with sources
>he gets memed to the ground
This place is such a fucking shithole
>>334752970
>this fucking generic music
>>334769873
yeah but not "LETS RAPE WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND MURDER NON-BELIEVERS WHO DONT SUPPORT MY RELIGION" kind of silly
>>334770462
>unurprisingly, they are hated and persecuted by the other muslims.
But why would the other muslims do that? All 1.7 billion muslims in the world are peace-loving moderates with western values. Only ISIS are the extremists.
>>334760710
Better, Project Brutality (2015)
>>334770395
>Live free or die, tyrant.
You mean "Live free and die".
Protecting against invasions is racist
>>334770469
Ever since Gophergate this place has turned from /b/ 2.0 to /pol/ 2.0. And it's not just here. This is the internet now. Just give up, these people aren't interested in any kind of political discourse. It's all just memes.
this looks like a crappy indie game that someone would have to suck dicks to get press coverage for.
>the game kind of sucks but those poor refugees! 10 outta 10!
>if you hate this game you hate refugees! 10 outta 10!
>>334753114
>looks neat
looks like it was animated by Legendary Frog.
>>334770070
Hah, then we should tell the muslims as they come in that the real plan is to eliminate their religion by making them more cynical and secular like us by drawing them in closer, because we think our ideology will win out. But they're already far more aware of this than the whites that are pushing this agenda, and they'll win easily if things continue this way.
>>334770827
>gophergate
>being a cuck
GG is what vidya needed.
In light of the direction this conversation went, I'd like to speak of something I found recently. Spoilers abound.
Undertale takes place in '201x', obviously modern day.
If fan theories are to be believed, then the monsters are almost all Irish in origin. With that, fair enough to say that the monsters are living underneath modern Europe.
They get the surface....
They're obviously going to migrate across Europe.
>mfw they'll have to deal with the Muslims.
#SaveTheMonsters
>>334769240
>Give them money and they'll shut up.
look, i agree that slicing off an arm of humanity with one of them clean slice making paper slicers CAN WORK if you push down hard enough (and have enough bullets and money to pay people to shoot them). which you probably don't, but whatever. sure, it could work.
but you wouldn't shoot me, for example, because i'm just whining on the internet and not a direct threat. and just like you, i'm all talk, and will probably not be noticed by the right/wrong people in my lifetime.
and i personally wouldn't accept money to shoot innocent people who simply believe flawed ideologies. people right here in this discussion advocate building walls and letting foreigners kill themselves off while facilitating assimilation at home, with stricter, only vaguely discriminatory law enforcement - as opposed to mowing down your fellow man and concentration camping them.
just admit it trumpo, there are much less violent solutions to these problems which you are simply too lazy to support or think about.
>>334770827
I was called GG a million times earlier today.
I don't disgaree with >>334758272
Could you stop calling everyone who disagrees with you /pol/ and GG please?
>>334770279
>rights don't come with responsibilities
Yes they do. The right to bear arms, for example, comes with the responsibility to bear them responsibly. Hence why such regulation of arms is permissible, why permits and etc. happen. At the very least the rights of others confer obligations on you (his right to free speech means your obligation not to beat him up for hurting your feelings), which you as a responsible citizen will observe.
Next you'll tell me they come from God ;^).
>They haven't done anything to lose those rights other than exercise them.
But do they deserve them? Is there a reason why they should have those rights? Just for existing? Why should you accept the obligations that their liberty places on you?
>Are you familiar with strict scrutiny?
A cursory familiarity.
>>334770395
>An illiberal USA is destroyed
Don't be stupid, anon. An illiberal USA still exists physically. It still has borders, people, an economy, and a nation. All it would take to restore it to liberty would be governmental change and legislation - something eminently achievable. France went through cycle after cycle of liberty and tyranny.
A destroyed USA would have to be rebuilt out of whole cloth, and that would be impossible because the USA isn't empty land anymore.
>Live free or die
Then die.
>>334770963
>GG
>video games
>>334768368
kek
>>334768604
>for you
no memes please.
>>334768751
We give speeding tickets to people who speed, we don't give speeding tickets to people with cars who might speed in the future. I'm saying we should judge people for their actions, not for their possibilities.
I'd appreciate it if you stop talking in black and whites, reel back from your pseudo-philosophical ramblings, and tell me why you want to institute the Minority Report into real life.
>>334770998
nigga read this post again
I'm literally fucking agreeing with you
>>334758272
>increasing the size of a muslim community via mass immigration
>I accept this because terrorism is inevitable!
Oh fuck off. Immigration does a lot more than 'terrorism'.
are there any rape minigames?
>>334771157
>Immigration does a lot more than 'terrorism'.
I know, right? Look what immigration has done to America.
>>334771036
An America with it's Constitution shredded isn't a country worth living in, anon. Once the muslims are gone the government will turn it's guns onto it's own citizens, and the resulting civil war won't leave either of us alive.
Your argument seems to be that we should burn down our own country before the muslims do it for us.
>>334770070
>world religions in general are regressive garbage
*tips fedora*
Christianity was one of the corner stones for western society. Why should we keep it in check.
>>334755851
It's not about being edgy.
You'd probably get arrested or at least put on a watchlist for creating a terrorism simulator that could be used for recruitment.
>>334771273
You're comparing immigration to America to immigration in Europe? Are you retarded? Name ONE upside to the native Europeans to the mass immigration of the current 'refugee' crisis.
>>334771334
>Why should we keep it in check.
Why should we keep any world view not in check. Especially the ones that are based on books that are thousands of years old.
>>334770981
>there are much less violent solutions
Sure, but they're not as effective.
I agree that there are a plethora of solutions - as many solutions as there are people thinking about the problem - but I think that once you accept that something ought to be done there's really no compelling argument outside practicality against the clean slice. You'd never get elected on the platform, obviously, but that's the only real indictment.
>>334771127
>We give speeding tickets to people who speed, we don't give speeding tickets to people with cars who might speed in the future.
Speeding is a victimless crime until you crash.
>I'm saying we should judge people for their actions, not for their possibilities.
You just advocated ticketing people for a victimless crime based on the possibility of them crashing in the future.
>I'd appreciate it if you stop talking in black and whites
I don't deny that nuance exists, I deny its relevance. Like I said, Abdul the friendly barber is probably a swell guy. Nothing wrong with him. But laws are enforced, and if a determination to downsize Islam is made then that will have to be enforced.
Nobody can provide a reason why we shouldn't do that. Islam has no benefits. Sure, the downsizing will be painful for some, but if we'd thought a little harder about it in the first place then we wouldn't have to fix this mistake at all.
>>334770469
Sorry to disappoint you, Trudeau.
>>334771448
You should put "crisis" in quotation marks, not refugee. Unless we're talking about Greece, man these guys are fucked.
>>334752970
>white protag
>>334771036
>The right to bear arms, for example, comes with the responsibility to bear them responsibly. Hence why such regulation of arms is permissible, why permits and etc. happen.
Those are infringements and in states where you need on they're highly contentions. Most states do not require a permit to own one.
>At the very least the rights of others confer obligations on you (his right to free speech means your obligation not to beat him up for hurting your feelings), which you as a responsible citizen will observe.
This is not endemic to the right. This is two laws being non mutually exclusive. A law preventing you from assaulting another person, regardless of reason unless your life is in danger, means nothing in the context of the first amendment; the two do not directly interact.
>But do they deserve them? Is there a reason why they should have those rights? Just for existing?
Yes. You haven't proven why not.
>Why should you accept the obligations that their liberty places on you?
Because it's not worth the loss of liberty.
>A cursory familiarity.
You mean none.
I'll educate you:
Strict scrutiny is, the long and short:
>Can this right/item/action be done or used safely by the user? Yes? Then you can't ban it for no damn good reason.
Can you practice Islam safely?
The fact that there people who are and do proves that yes, there are.
Which means that it does not pass strict scrutiny.
>>334771328
>Your argument seems to be that we should burn down our own country before the muslims do it for us.
A little less liberty is nothing compared to the destruction that mass immigration and a large minority population would wreak. You're already seeing it in the US with shit like the Zimmerzam trial and its aftermath. Infringing on the liberties of some may hurt you in the feelings, but not doing so will ruin you physically and economically in a way you can never recover from.
I imagine there are going to be some pretty awesome /pol/ threads in the future.
>>334771036
>Then die.
Entirely unlikely. Islam and the United States have been around for a while and former hasn't stopped the latter yet.
Nice try though.
A solid 8/10.
>>334771730
if you don't want /v/ discussing politics maybe people should stop making politically themed video games.
>>334771697
>a bunch of muslims with no money and no jobs that make up less than 5% of the population will bring the downfall of western civilisation
>>334771450
Because if we lose touch with the values and morals that made us a relative forward and peaceful society we may cease to be either of those things. You don't have to be a staunch believer or anything but recognize that there is more to Christianity then "le dark ages"
>>334752970
VISEGRAD STRONK
TRUMP IS RIGHT
>>334769240
>Give them money and they'll shut up.
germans ran out of bullets, nazis had psychological issues and often abandoned their bloody janitor work, and global blitzkrieg bankrupted the country ==> genocide incomplete, war lost.
in palestine it might work (because it's an island the size of my left nut)
in tasmania it might work (because it's an island the size of my left nut)
but in europe, you do not have the resources to just jump n shoot your way out of dealing with noisy neighbors. you have to go about it the long way.
e.g. deportation, outbreeding, and property bullshit. the current israeli way.
>>334771946
No, I meant going to /pol/ myself and reading the threads about this game in the future will be awesome.
>>334771473
>Nobody can provide a reason why we shouldn't do that
We already have. Several.
Your supposition doesn't pass strict scrutiny. Not even close.
>>334770469
Sorry that we aren't gonna fall for your bait, shlomo
>>334771982
Christianity is obsolete. A basic understanding of humanism plus a handful of common sense and a pinch of empathy can go further than any religion will ever go.
>>334771697
>a little less liberty
You want to remove the First Amendment, anon. You want to remove the right to religious freedom. That's not a "little less" liberty. That's ALL the goddamn liberty down the drain.
You want to start a civil war that will more than likely draw in the entire world and kickstart WW3.
I'll say it again. Your plan seems to be that we should burn down our own country before the Muslims can do it for us.
I'm even with you that that Europe's current immigration policies are suicidal. That doesn't mean I want to throw everything that keeps us from rolling in the dirt like some African hellhole out the window.
>>334770981
>>334771473
argument accepted
>>334771697
I will spell this out for you because you literally said so before:
Those who sacrifice essentially liberty for a feeling of temporary safety deserve and shall receive none.
RIP Europe ;_;
>>334772002
>palestine
>island
Uhm...
>>334771679
>Those are infringements
Then the US is already illiberal. When are you going to start shooting cops? Live free or die, right?
>This is not endemic to the right. This is two laws being non mutually exclusive
Think a little harder.
Do I actually have a right to free speech if, when I say something that people disagree with, they're able to hold me down and beat me to near-death? Of course not. The right to free speech necessarily must include a right to freedom from punishment for speaking freely - not just from the state, but from everyone. "You can say whatever you want, but if it's not what we want you to say, we're going to get you!" is not free speech. Ergo, free speech also includes an obligation on other people to refrain from punishing you for your speech. Rights confer obligations on others. Similarly, a right to property confers an obligation on others not to take your property. One of the property rights is _exclusive use_.
Laws about assault have nothing to do with it.
>Yes.
Yes, they should have rights just for existing? Why? I don't have to prove why not - you have to prove why. If you tell me that Muslims have an inherent right to practice their faith undisturbed, I don't believe you. Prove it. And before you say "it's in the constitution," the Constitution is (supposedly) a descriptive, not prescriptive, document. It is not, according to the natural rights crowd, the source of the right.
>Because it's not worth the loss of liberty.
Are you a Muslim? What liberty do you lose?
>You mean none.
You wish.
>Which means that it does not pass strict scrutiny.
Objection, relevance? This isn't the Supreme Court.
>>334772296
ideologically
>>334752970
>This whole thread
>>334762390
Jewish propaganda over the last couple of decades have brainwashed them.
>>334772154
So we should just ban all bibles and other holy books because there obsolete and you don't need them anymore. What humanist works should we replace it with? ST:NG maybe?
>>334772591
when you're done putting absurd words in my mouth just do me a favor and drink a bottle of bleach you muppet
>>334771859
Islam and the US have occupied the same planet for a long time. Not the same state.
>>334771965
Less than 5% of Germans were Nazi party members.
Less than 2%, I believe.
>>334772002
Germany fought the world and lost. Hardly a surprise.
>in europe, you do not have the resources to just jump n shoot your way out of dealing with noisy neighbors
Europe is full of cowards. Threaten to leave the EU unless they let you genocide people and the EU will probably help.
>>334772076
>We already have. Several.
Point me to them.
>Your supposition doesn't pass strict scrutiny.
This isn't a court.
>>334772173
>You want to remove the right to religious freedom.
Only for Muslims, who are, what was it, 5% of the population?
>That's ALL the goddamn liberty down the drain.
Ah yes, the fallacious idea that if you're not totally free then you're not free at all. This makes you an anarchist by necessity.
>You want to start a civil war that will more than likely draw in the entire world and kickstart WW3.
It's not my fault that you lot fucked up the border controls. If nobody had made this dumb mistake in the first place you wouldn't have to fix it.
>>334758272
Except for the part where no muslims means no muslims that will become alienated. Fucking retard.
>>334771679
>Can you practice Islam safely?
>The fact that there people who are and do proves that yes, there are.
>Which means that it does not pass strict scrutiny.
What a load of shit. Islamic terrorist killed 34,000 people in 2014. They should have to renounce Islam if they want to live here. Don't like it? Stay in your sand pit.
I love when they ban things or introduce stricter laws and say "If it saves one life it is worth it" well maybe we should apply this logic to Muslims. There're hundreds of more suitable majority Muslim countries for them to run to, there is zero good reasons for Western countries to accept them, other than muh feels.
>>334772228
>Those who sacrifice essentially liberty for a feeling of temporary safety deserve and shall receive none.
[citation needed].
>>334772180
It was a fun discussion. Have a good day.
>>334754336
Where's the cutie from?
>>334772790
>Less than 5% of Germans were Nazi party members.
>Less than 2%, I believe.
>>334761149
Almost got me
>>334772716
>World religions in general are regressive garbage that needs to me limited and kept in check in western society
>humanism plus a handful of common sense and a pinch of empathy can go further than any religion will ever go
>Christianity is obsolete
I'm glad that you've reached the pinnacle of understanding but I think that individuals and society can still turn to religion for greater understanding of themselves and the world around them.
>>334754336
>>334772980
>google actually worked
Huh. Didn't expect that.
>>334772361
>Then the US is already illiberal. When are you going to start shooting cops? Live free or die, right?
This false dichotomy doesn't deserve a response but gets one. Resisting infringements to the constitution is not exclusive to other forms of resistance, especially non-sequitur violent revolution.
>Why? I don't have to prove why not
Onus.
You made the statement that they don't.
You didn't provide any onus why they shouldn't.
That which is stated with no evidence can be dismissed with no evidence. All the same: Because I have the same right. If they don't, I don't. I enjoy the first amendment. If Islam can be outlawed, so can any religious or non religious belief. Which I don't like.
>>334772361
>Objection, relevance? This isn't the Supreme Court.
You still don't understand what Strict Scrutiny is or Judicial review.
Keep reading that wikipedia article until you get it.
>>334773110
>but I think that individuals and society can still turn to religion for greater understanding of themselves and the world around them.
Did I say you can't
I just said your spiritual mumbo jumbo has no place in real world politics and should stay in your home or church. Just like Islam, Judaism and the rest of the bunch.
>>334772872
>[citation needed]
Seriously?
Benjamin Franklin? Inventor of the public library? One of the founding fathers of the United States? He got support from the french for arms for the united states during the revolutionary war?
Wait I though this was /v/ When did this become /pol/ ?
>>334773110
>I think that individuals and society can still turn to religion for greater understanding of themselves and the world around them.
Eesh. No wonder people use religion to explain the unknown.
>>334773358
/a/, /v/ and /pol/ are all browsed by the same people.
We are all one.
>>334773493
>We are all done
ftfy
>>334773358
Life is a game we all play
>>334773349
>Inventor of the public library?
Ok wrong there -
He invented a few other things but that's besides the point, I think.
He did invent bifocals though.
>>334773065
Translation please, and also source? Everything I can find suggests that prior to the seizure of power in '33 only about 850,000 people were party members, and a maximum of 7%. Are you sure those aren't election results?
>>334773202
>You didn't provide any onus why they shouldn't.
Okay, fine. Natural rights don't exist and rights are a legal construct created by political institutions. We can revoke rights whenever we want for whatever reason. Islam is a net drag on society, so revoke their rights. There is no evidence for an objective system of rights.
Bam, done, prove me wrong.
>You still don't understand what Strict Scrutiny is or Judicial review.
You still haven't shown its relevance. I don't care whether or not it can be practiced safely, it's irrelevant. There's no point keeping around a drag. Even if only 5% of people who practice it are a drag, the other 95% provide no benefits to counteract it.
Net drag, cut it loose.
>>334773349
I wasn't asking for the person who said it, I was asking you to prove that people who seek security don't find it.
>tfw all these refugees won't be charged for draft evasion
>tfw they will never go back even if things got better
>tfw they left their wives and children just to get dat sweet Germoney
>>334771473
We don't punish people who aren't speeding for speeding. Just like we don't punish people who aren't terrorists for being terrorists, or people who didn't beat their wife for beating their wife.
To look at it another way, when you choose to speed you willfully increase the probability that you'll cause an accident, whereas when you choose to be Muslim you don't increase the probability that you'll commit acts of terrorism, because those two things aren't causally linked, because the world isn't black and white.
But that's the root of the argument; underneath this shitty cliffnote of Crime and Punishment, one of us think Muslims are inherently violent, and the other think they are not. So in the hopes of wrapping this up, what proof do you have that all Muslims are violent.
>>334759137
Yeah nah you're a dumb faggot
>>334759410
>muh liberal boogeyman
If Western countries hadn't involved themselves in foreign adventures that turned regions and continents into shit holes without hope or future then there wouldn't be a flood of immigrants trying to make their homes in the very nations that turned their homes into wastelands. But it's fucking impossible to stop Western countries to do that since Western civilization is literally built on pillage and stealing shit from other cultures, so the vicious cycle will continue.
>>334773843
Yes, these are election results. Because party membership is arbitrary bullshit when comparing muslims to nazis. The majority of people who vote for the nazis to be the governing party of their country are ideologically nazis. Which was a minimum of 30% in 1933.
>>334773843
>I don't care whether or not it can be practiced safely, it's irrelevant
Then you don't understand what it _is._
>Islam is a net drag on society, so revoke their rights.
The removal of their rights removes our own and would impact more people than any believed threats muslims may face.
Muslims have been living in this nation for a long ass time. In point of fact, just out of curiosity, what nation are you from?
Doesn't matter.
The united states has a larger muslim population than yours.
Period.
I'll put this bluntly and simply so even you can understand it:
It's a form of judicial review, that is, when they look at a law to see if it's constitutional or not (and, this hypothetical you are setting down would be immediately) and, if you cannot prove that there's NO WAY to practice it safely, then the law is struck down as failing strict scrutiny.
REALLY FUCKING SIMPLE:
CAN YOU DO OR HAVE THING SAFELY CONCEIVABLY?
YES?
YOU CAN'T BAN IT.
>>334772154
>People
>having common sense
lol
>>334774202
Epic strawman, compadre. Close, but no cigar.
First, a minor semantic error.
>We don't punish people who aren't speeding for speeding. Just like we don't punish people who aren't terrorists for being terrorists
This simply depends on what you characterise as a crime. If being a Muslim was a crime then this statement would be perfectly valid:
We don't punish people who aren't speeding for speeding. Just like we don't punish people who aren't Muslims for being Muslims.
Now, to the meat of your argument:
>when you choose to speed you willfully increase the probability that you'll cause an accident, whereas when you choose to be Muslim you don't increase the probability that you'll commit acts of terrorism
Irrelevant. There's no possible way to prove that each specific individual who speeds has increased the probability of causing an accident, and furthermore, that's not even an element of the offence. You have committed the offence of speeding when you exceed the posted limit, not when you increase the probability of an accident through excessive speed.
We criminalise speeding because we consider it a bad thing for society for all the reasons you stated. We PUNISH you for speeding whenever you exceed the posted limit.
By the same token, we criminalise Islam because we consider it a bad thing for society. We punish people for being Muslim simply because they are.
It doesn't need to be all Muslims, just enough to be worth legislating about.
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