>EVE is the only game ever accepted as a "true MMO" in light of themepark games
>Nobody plays it
How?
Too big
>>334750051
It's a sandbox.
It's not based in the us.
10 years of content to learn
Spreadsheet manager the game.
Full loot pvp.
Not saying any of this is bad, but it is a barrier of entry for brain dead cod,lol,wow,f2p mmo casuals
Ultima Online
Chronicles of Elyria
>point and click combat
>>334750449
This guy gets it. It's not a casual mmo, and it has a ridiculously steep learning curve with gameplay some might find boring.
It's not gamey enough.
You can't just drop-in EVE and start playing.
And when you do your whole life get sucked by it.
Eve shitter love spouting 'rollercoaster' while playing spreadsheets in space. Meanwhile everyone in real life has moved on to actual games.
>>334750051
>nobody
Are you from the year 1996?
>>334750704
>tfw I casually play eve on the weekends only
I do have 8 years of sp/experience though
>>334750680
>It's not a casual mmo, and it has a ridiculously steep learning curve
That's just a silly meme EVE faggots like to use to try to lure into their garbage game.
In reality EVE is the single most casual MMO out there, in fact the entire game is based around you being AFK for most of it, from training skills to trading to doing missions. In fact it's so shitty, boring and hands-off most long term players either play on multiple accounts at the same time, because there's nothing really to do on one account, or play other games at the same time while "playing" EVE.
Also subscription.
That's a money wall stopping you from entering.
It's boring as shit, just an accounting simulator in space.
Everything about EVE is awesome except the actual gameplay. If the combat and the flying mechanics were fun it'd be the perfect game.
>>334751518
Except for gating.
>>334750051
i would love eve if it was in medieval/fantasy environment. I do like scifi but in a mmo its a bit too hard swallow for me
It's crazy complicated, ridiculously time consuming, and the community is full of cunts.
That's why.
>>334750449
>>334752432
Does it really seem as if the market wouldn't gladly play if it weren't so.. monetized?
>>334752432
I would take the EVE community over any other MMO community I've had the displeasure of being a part of.
>>334750051
Shit's fucking work
EvE is a second life, you have to get into that shit hard or you won't like it. If you aren't the kind of person that actively enjoys the thought of getting a phonecall at 3 AM to go defend your shit, then you're not going to get the most out of it.
Then there's the fact that anything you do in eve takes 5 hours or so. If you have an hour or two, you don't play eve, even Elise Randolph said as much. You go play dota or something, not eve.
>>334750051
It's really simple.
No matter what anyone here says, the reason why a huge amount of people don't play it is because you can never be "the best". You can never finish and get top level.
Only a couple people will ever stand at the top of the EVE world, and even then it's not really an "End game"
You can be the hero of light or whatever in the other games. You can never be The Mitani in EVE.
>>334753179
None of that is accurate.
>>334750680
>ridiculously steep learning curve
not really, you have softwares to know how to mix-max things, you can learn anti-gank protection mesures in a few hours and once you're in a big corp you'll have a lot of advices while being fed with skill books
if you wish to be a top CEO, you'll have to play 24/7, make real relations, work around the market and everything, but if you want to be a responsible officer, you can do it easily, need to be a tad organized, nothing more
>>334750051
Because it has a sub that I can't pay for, and actually grinding for a plex turns it into a job.
>>334753179
I play casually and have a lot of fun.
>>334750051
Not enough gameplay
Someone just needs to make vanilla wow with EVE styled everything else. Literally free money.
>>334753560
PL's head FC most definitely did say that there's nothing to do in eve if you don't have several hours to play in a block.
>>334754407
So?
>>334751209
Truth
>Nobody has anything fantastic to say about the game here
What do?
>>334754437
one of the best eve players around says there's fuck all to do if you don't have a lot of time to commit to the game and that they should be trying to put more stuff in that you can do just by logging on and going for it.
What can you do in eve with just an hour?
fuck all, you can't organise a roam becuase by the time you've formed up you'll be basically out of time, unless you've already done prep work and live in the right part of eve you can't go solo really (if you are in the right place and have then it's a bit different, but not everyone is sat in FW space with a bunch of set up frigates and dessies)
You could, maybe join a defense fleet and hope things come to you if you live in the right places, but it's not like you're living in catch when brave was there and there were never not hostiles in their staging system so that isn't reliable.
>>334754861
>What can you do in eve with just an hour?
Well, if they removed skill queues, you could do anything. As is, there's so little to do because the game design is poor.Combat can find a fight in 5 minutes around FW space though.
>>334755014
>I've never played the game!
>>334755014
So as I said, if you happen to be in this one specific place, in the right systems, with your prep work already done, you can maybe do something.
But if you're like "hey I have an hour, lets play some eve" and you don't have that done, you're not gonna be doing much, it's even worse if you live in a WH because you log in and you'll either be doing logistics or scanning.
>>334755209
>
Your argument.
>>334755258
FW space is 5-7 jumps from the main trade hub. There's a market "buy all" window for fittings, and putting them together is a single click. It's repeatable, not some random thing.
Your hour thing is a meme.
>>334755014
Hello diabetes, my old friend
>>334755539
>not making ice cream with stevia instead of sugar
>not making chocolate sauce with cocoa and coconut oil
>that whole thing, homemade, would be like 200-400 calories
>tfw no cooking MMO
Too much time required to really get into the fun parts of the game
>literally cannot complete a step in the tutorial
Shit game
>>334750051
it's everything I would ever want in an mmo...
Except the actual gameplay involves controlling ships and shit
>>334755672
My gf is on a no carb diet and makes that stuff.
Puts chia seeds in everything.
Tastes bitter as fuck
>>334755404
>live anywhere that isn't FW space
>have to jumpclone, decide what I want to fly, get it sorted out, decide where there are probably people to fight
Unless you have done a bunch of shit beforehand, you'll be down at least 20-30 minutes by the time you're even looking for fights.
>>334750449
you forgot the rampant griefing with no means or intent from the devs to punish people for poor behaviour
why play in a sandbox when other people play it to kick over castles and steal toys?
>>334756681
I don't see how that's a problem. If someone blows your shit up then learn to avoid them. It's your own fault if you are shit at the game.
>>334756681
here we have an example of a faggot who didnt "get" EVE
EVE is a fucking sandbox, where people can do whatever the fuck they want, and youre crying about people being able to do whatever the fuck they want
>>334756681
>punish people for poor behaviour
Why would they punish them for playing the game.
Fuck, scamming is fine as long as you don't scam real dollars.
>>334756681
But the biggest cunts in the game (Goonswarm) are being punished as we speak anon.
>>334757241
i really hope the goons do something magical to turn the war around and shove the plebbitbadgers smuggery back up their own arses
highly unlikely, however
>>334757241
Yes, but not by the devs. That is the difference here, and ultimately the key.
Goonswarm is getting it's ass kicked from every direction spherically possible, because the rest of the EVE-verse united under one flag to kick their shit in, after getting sick and tired of Mitani's faggotry.
It's not EA stepping in, it's not Ubisoft stepping in, it's neither Blizzard nor Activision stepping in to "balance" the game or "make things fair again."
EVE is an unfair as fuck world, but amongst all other MMOs to date, it's arguably the world with the most amount of freedom and integrity.
>>334757241
Goonswarm are the only fun people in the game.
>>334757241
>>334758052
explain the goonswarm thing to someone who doesn't play the game
>>334750051
>Nobody plays it
21000 people online right now on a tuesday night, double that for the weekend stats, not as big as some MMOs, sure, but for a 13 year old game its not too bad
also has some of the best god damned space trailers out there
>>334758582
It's the only one of 3 alive MMOs, it's got to count for something.
>>334758443
Pirates who crash into ships on shitty barges full of explosives.
>>334758443
Griefers who managed to become the most powerful supreme faction of the entire game.
Picture related, their supreme coalition called "The Imperium" is getting its ass handled by pretty much everyone.
They will die in a couple of months. and mittens (their leader) will probably hang himself.
>>334758052
By not doing anything the devs allowed something awesome like that to happen.
They did the right thing. If you want justice, you must work for it.
>>334758443
Somethingawful group
>>334758443
a condensed history of goons in EVE
>goons are a bunch of shitters from somethingawful.com forums
>they like joining games to ruin the fun for everyone else (they actually state this as fact)
>when they joined EVE years ago, they got their shit pushed in by band of brothers (bob)
>goons regrouped, fought back
>a spy (who was a high-level director of bob) that was in goonswarm decided to leave bob and be a goon
>goons leaders told him to disband the bob alliance using his powers, he did
>bob, the largest alliance in EVE history at the time, ded
>goons and russians swoop in and steal all the shit, take all the territory
>the next bunch of years, goons grow, become the strongest guys in the game
>reddit decide to make a corporation a few years later, goons take them under their wang, help them grow
>reddit leaders later decide they want to leave goons
>goons shit all over reddit, turn them to dust, literally kill their existence in EVE
>few years later, goons do some shit that most EVE players dont like, mittani tried to make real money by releasing a biased book about EVE history, they also fucked with lowsec
>you dont fuck with lowsec
>then some gambling site called iwantisk decided they didnt like some alliance that was friends with goons, paid huge money to have their shit pushed in
>everyone wanted a piece of the action and dogpiled in
>then reddit, who had started to regrow joined up with some of the other big boys in EVE to fuck the goons
now there's a war going on, and goons (the new bob) are going down, fun times
>>334759424
So they pissed off absolutely everyone? That's pretty impressive.
>it's harcurr not casual
It's actually a cookie clicker tier idle game.
>>334759624
Kinda.
You'd expect this when you used to basically grief everyone for years without fearing retaliation because "we are the greatest", and when you finally failed to grief and got stomped hard, everyone saw how even a BEE can bleed, thus everyone is going against the goonswarm as we speak.
>>334758947
step 1 to being a succesfull mmo:
dont try to copy wow
step 2:
lolis
>>334759605
>>then some gambling site called iwantisk decided they didnt like some alliance that was friends with goons, paid huge money to have their shit pushed in
what?
>>334759878
>neither dofus nor eve have lolis
Welp
>>334759936
The great war against the goons is sponsored by an enormous gambling\banking in-game association managed by banker-players and people who like money.
They're financing the war because some Goons pissed 'em off.
So everyone is joining the rape of the bee either for money or for the sake of it.
This is basically the fall of roman empire.
>>334760005
>>334759805
>TEST is still alive
I used to be in a VERY small corp that was in TEST, years ago.
We were in the WAY WAY WAY DEEP southern null sec. Used to hide every time someone who wasn't blue showed up in local because I was a huge industrypussy who couldn't fly most t2s, and most gankers are hurr t3 niggers.
>>334760042
That's bloody great. How did the goons piss them off then?
>>334759605
>they also fucked with lowsec
>>you dont fuck with lowsec
Explain more on this
>>334760076
The Amarr are the best faction.
Prove me wrong.
Protip: you can't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XoqhLcx6rE
>>334760168
i heard that the spacemonkeys (goon friends) wouldnt pay back a loan to iwantisk
so iwantisk are now getting their pound of flesh
>>334760168
Some officers of an alliance that is included in the Imperium super-coalition pissed off the wrong people at the wrong time.
You don't piss off the bankers\people who have more money than you.
You don't.
Ever.
>>334760248
Nullsec is where the alliance empire wars take place, and its common game curtosy to keep that shit in nullsec unless you're fishing for wardec targets in lowsec (wardec meaning an enemy alliance or corp).
When you start trying to take over lowsec, lowsec, and the people in it, will MAKE SURE your precious nullsec empire is starved of resources by ganking every single freighter or transport that passe through it, since you almost have to go through lowsec to get to nullsec.
In short, you don't fuck with lowsec, or your alliance starts bleeding resources.
Unless you're goons and have literally 50 fucking years worth of every resource in the game stockpiled and can live on it basically forever. Then you do whatever you want.
>>334759936
>>334759605
That't now got Iwantisk got involved.
One of the owners of the site had characters in SMA and a lot of money inside because of how big SMA was so he could collect/pay faster/easier.
SMA leader then stole his shit which was like 100bil so not even a lot for the guy, but then they also starts humiliating him and talking shit on reddit so he just decided to pay people to kill SMA and only SMA.
It was after SMA got its shit pushed in, in record time that he also decided to also pay more people to just end it all and kill goons, then more people pilled on because goons are cancer.
reading all of this makes me want to play the game, but then again, how hard is it to make enough dosh to be a 'free' player?
like how many weeks of playing at a 20-30 hours a week rate?
>>334759936
Space jews. Basically have ridiculous amount of riches by being ingame casinoes and dominating some markets, allowing ridiculous profits
Goons are Irak and everyone else is Haliburton or other PMC. Everyone want a piece of the pie.
>>334754861
>What can you do in eve with just an hour?
what can you do with any MMO in just one hour that is not some casual as fuck unfun dungeon running for gear and points nobody cares?
Every MMO in the world requires a lot of time.
>>334760571
It's shit.
Don't, anon.
EVE is nice to talk about, but horrible to play.
Seriously, don't.
>>334760571
Don't even consider it unless your idea of fun is trading. Just pay to play like most people and have fun.
>>334760005
no lolis but children with large breasts
>>334760278
Caldari exist. Checkmate, garbage cans!
>>334760507
thanks for clearing that up
>>334760571
>how hard is it to make enough dosh to be a 'free' player?
Impossible
>like how many weeks of playing at a 20-30 hours a week rate?
8 months.
One year if you're just starting now.
>>334750051
>its all ships and menus
>can't manually drive the ship
>can't manually fire the ship guns
>press tab and hotbar, the game
maybe because EVE is shit
EVE is the only MMO worth playing imo
>>334760719
>he doesn't know it's all about the hips
woOooooOOOooww!
>>334760734
>caldari
>>334760571
One month, if you neet it up but not too much. 2 weeks if you fullneet it. After that one month at a relaxed pace. After that, a week at most.
>>334760571
EVE is a game of goals, if your biggest goal in the game is to simply "play for free", you're going to have a horrible, grindy time.
>>334755014
What does skillppoints have to do with not being able to do shit in one hour?
I can make a brand new pilot and head straight away to FW or points in the map with lots of kills/pilots on my T1 frigate and do stuff.
EVE is a very clear example of "its as fun as you are"
If you want to wait for 5 months until you can fly THIS X specific ship for some reason and stay docked up until then, then that's your prerogative.
But its a fact the game has a endless amount of shit to do with your deadtime.
Shit I've been playing this game for 5 years and there is stuff I have never ever done, like complete UI elements and aspects of the game unexplored for me and I play and PVP in this game actively 8 hours a day without ever taking a break so far.
>>334760507
How did the guy's stuff get stolen?
>>334760792
While being able to pilot the ship like a sim would be more fun I'm glad things are this way. We get to have a global server and the game is more about making connections and dosh than it is piloting ships.
>>334760716
Trading, arbitrage and exploration are all viable.
If you can find a group, you can also salvage behind someone, or even ninja salvage if you know what you're doing.
>>334750051
>no one plays it
>500k subscriptions
40k players every day what the fuck are you talking about
>>334760792
>can't manually fly the ship
double click in space to the direction you want to go
you can set the arrow keys to manually fly the ship you know that?
>can't manually fire the ships guns
what the fuck are you talking about?
>>334760902
We are allies, my retrograde religious millitary fucknugget, don't go full papal rage.
>>334760792
EVE is 10 years old anon, it aged like milk.
You have games like World of Warcraft still trying to keep up by radically change their gameplay and their in-game features, EVE Online is not that kind of game.
Still, EVE and E:D are the most interesting space MMO games out there, the first one if you like RPG games, the second one if you like flight simulators.
>>334760350
>>334760416
>>334760507
>>334760582
This is a terrifying yet hilarious simulation of geopolitics.
This is less of a game, and more of a cancerous social network with a space mmo minigame in the background.
You know a game sucks and fails as a game, when the best stories about it aren't
>remember this awesome raid and raid boss that took us months to finally complete
>remember these fun PvP builds that destroyed everything before they got nerfed
and instead are
>remember that guy who lost thousands of $ worth of in game shit
>remember that guy that got scammed for a shitload of money by his backstabbing guildmates
it's literally like reading social network drama
>>334760792
>This game is not what I want it to be there, therefore it is shit
Fuck off
>>334761032
Just because Gallente are a bunch of liberal turdcutters.
I'll be honest, i like your ships, but i like my prayers and chants more than your "2futuristic4u" ships.
>>334760983
Not sure but it was safe to assume that the SMA leaders has access to it because they sort of "trusted" each other to some degree becase of the nature of how the gambling works.
They also tried to ransom some of his shit.
It was really not that much money for a person that moves over 50trillion isk per month, it was more about how they tried to abuse and humiliate him.
http://pastebin.com/83rQ1Ja0
>>334760507
>>334761065
>diplomatic insults lead to war declarations
this is just like my grand strategy animes
>>334761127
>when the best stories about it aren't
>>remember this awesome raid and raid boss that took us months to finally complete
REMEMBER THAT FUCKING TIME AN ENTIRE ALLIANCE DIED TO A FUCKING SPY THAT SHUT DOWN ALL THEIR SERVICES AND DISABLED THEIR SOVEREIGNTY?
>remember these fun PVP builds
yes we have those too nigger, Nanocanes, drakes, ishtars
>>334761065
What were you expecting from a game with no rules or laws?
A game where basically everything but a very fistful of "supreme rules" is allowed?
Welcome to Humanity, anon.
>>334761127
I think we have complete opposite ideas of what makes a good MMO.
>>334752432
Community isn't full of cunts. I was playing it for about 4 months doing pve missions. Asked for help in the general chat in the system and randomly some guy in a Prophecy battleship Warped to my area we grouped together and helped me beat it. Was surprised because the system I was in was a ghost town
>>334761127
I don't think you've actually played the game.
>>334760983
When you're in an alliance things start getting put into corporate/alliance hangars because you need 23/7 access to it, and people aren't always on to refuel one of your thousands of modules. You restrict access to the more important stuff, but if you have a traitor high enough in the organization, then they can wipe it all out.
It has like zero exploration.
>>334761127
>It's an MMO instead of a massively singleplayer online game
>that means it's a shit MMO
>>334761414
>what are wormholes
>>334761414
But the best way to make isk is through exploration.
>>334761414
>jove wormholes
>wormholes in general
>any nullsec
>>334761414
Yes, this is a legitimate complaint I have with the game. Puns aside with regard to the activity called "exploration", there's nothing interesting to look for or at and every system is effectively the same thing.
>>334761358
The further you go from highsec, the more absolutely rude, cuntish and bastards players are.
It makes sense, as you go further the time required to get things skyrockets.
>>334761609
>every system
you know there are some 4200 systems plus 1200 wormholes right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmS9vcVNr5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv7vPtXdWnk
>EVE isn't fun
>its just spreadsheets in space
>its boring, theres nothing to do
>i can't handle games that dont hold my hand and tell me what to do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrYe_4vHzgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNUu75fH8Uc
>>334761180
Your ship are at least nice to look at, but they are basically elaborate goilded flashlights.
I'll keep my railguns and missiles, superior weapons born of technology.
>>334761715
Yeah but still, wormholes are pretty much extreme endgame content, or even mid-game if your exploration ship is extremely fitted, if you have at least 5 months of exploration experience and you know what the fuck is WH space and how it works.
>>334761127
>>remember that guy who lost thousands of $ worth of in game shit
yeah I remember the entire war that took 5 months and several hundred battles because of that event and causes entire alliances to collapse and some new ones to emerge from the ashes
>>remember that guy that got scammed for a shitload of money by his backstabbing guildmates
yeah, I remember how it caused an effect so big in the game that it reshaped the entire sovereignty in nullsec.
>remember this awesome raid and raid boss that took us months to finally complete
>remember these fun PvP builds that destroyed everything before they got nerfed
This is pretty fun tho, its nice to see blizzard and square gave you a bone to play with for 12 months, too bad nothing changes because of it, I mean nothing non scripted :^)
im a calamari who flies gallente ships, come at me
seriously though, come at me, i only have 3k range with blasters :<
>>334761675
that pic is actually very accurate...
>>334761715
All of which are functionally identical. Wormholes are cool for the first dozen time or so and then that's it.
I always love hearing about all the crazy political intrigue and brazen viciousness of EVE, but it sounds pretty boring to actually play.
>>334761837
>endgame content
there is no such thing as endgame content in EVE
There is tons of Jove shit to explore and tons of monuments spread out all over EVE
Visit Caldari Prime, visit Amarr, visit The Lexicon
Visit the monument to B-R
Visit Asakai
Visit the traumar installation
>>334761978
space is very empty anon.......
>>334761015
>Arbitrage
Doesn't exist in EVE, you have to truck goods to the station with a price difference; which means exposing a ship to suicide destruction and the possibility of the buy order disappearing. An arbitrage is a simultaneous purchase and sale without risk.
>Trading
If you don't have a freighter, you can't do this in meaningful numbers without exposing an industrial to suicide ganks as soon as the value in your hold exceeds ~50m
>Exploration
On the one hand this is a quick way to get into higher isk making, but it is also higher risk, and for a brand new player to engage in wormhole antics it's basically sending lambs to the slaughter
>Salvage
Literally become a garbage man
>>334761738
>>its just spreadsheets in space
I seriously don't understand this meme, even WoW has the use of spreadsheets if you delve into min/maxing and market stuff.
You can simply opt out and not use any and you'll be fine.
Really the only thing out of game you might need to use in EVE is a fitting tool like EFT or Pyfa but those are actually fun AS FUCK.
Example: a polarized corax
>>334761978
the game is about PVP, not site seeing
>>334762056
>If you don't have a freighter, you can't do this in meaningful numbers without exposing an industrial to suicide ganks as soon as the value in your hold exceeds ~50m
you can still trade on margins and trade across constellations
station trading is one of the easiest ways to make money without lifting a finger
>>334762056
>arbitrage doesn't exist, you have to do arbitrage but you can't do arbitrage because I don't know what arbitrage is
>also you can't trade because trading is secretly codeword for fighting an alliance solo or something
m8...
>>334762056
>If you don't have a freighter, you can't do this in meaningful numbers without exposing an industrial to suicide ganks as soon as the value in your hold exceeds ~50m
What are blockade runners?
>>334762143
>station trading is one of the easiest ways to make money without lifting a finger
as someone who made billions trading in Jita I can confirm it is also the fastest route to suicide.
>>334762225
Expensive ships that require a very large ISK and skill investment, and that will be a priority target on the basis that the content are cloacked.
>>334762365
what would you consider the beginning of "expensive ships?"
>>334762010
>tons of shit to explore
>visit [insert pointless shit to click "orbit" on here]
i heard the game added a new faction with its own ships. is that true
>>334761598
This meme have to stop, do you know how many new players got pull into it and quit?
>>334762459
>WoW
>"tons of places to explore
>visit
>wow thats it
>leave
same shit different game nigga
>>334762461
not really, there is a pirate faction that they added new ships for.
>>334762143
>the game is about PVP, not site seeing
its a sandbox, you can do whatever you want
https://evetravel.wordpress.com/ <- this guy literally does sightseeing as a career
>>334751209
Yeah if you avoid PVP
EVE has THE BEST PVP scene in MMOs, hands down. It has a player driven economy. There is no grinding content to get gear. You want equipment? Make that shit, or buy it from someone else who has.
>>334762518
90% of players who actually subscribe more than 1 month spend all their time in highsec and NEVER go to low/null/WH
>people who have never played the game describing it
>muh spreadsheets
Unless you're doing advanced market pvp, mining or industry, there's no spreadsheets.
>muh skills
You don't have to train skills for years & months unless you want to fly really big ships. Also skills can be trained while you're offline and you can purchase skill injectors to make it even faster
>muh boring
I applied to Pandemic Horde (large corporation with thousands of players), got accepted on the same day and flew in my first pvp fleet with 200 other people against the Imperium the same night. Every day there's multiple war fleets heading out for different tasks.
>muh no cockpit view, muh wasd piloting
Game is too large scale for it. Largely battles have thousands of players and they would be uncontrollable. Combat tactics would be really limited etc.
Try the game. Sure, it's not for everyone but the adrenaline rush that PVP gives you is amazing.
>>334762436
50-100 million, for a new player. I'm sitting on around 40 billion, so for me it's nothing much, but for someone starting listing blockade runners as a possibility is stupid.
>>334750664
The only mmorpg game that does point and click combat correctly is Mabinogi, too bad it's underated and later shat itself to pander to the anime/furry community.
>>334762675
>50-100
thats not expensive at all, a fucking proteus T2 fit is 400m, mildly blingy gets up to 600 and you can bling the fuck out of them to 1b+
>>334762365
been flying a blockade runner for years, covert ops cloak, less than 2s align, the only place youre ever at risk is when docking at jita, with some guys who play the BR lottery in nados, shooting every single one that lands near 4-4, but if you use dock bookmarks you dont even have to worry about that
Why would anyone play EVE but just to fuck with other people?
Seriously, why?
The game is an absolutely fucking HORRIFYING grindfest where to achieve even the smallest shit you are required to sink an ungodly amount of fucking time and real money (subscription) in it.
I mean, the only reason why EVE is still played is because of its userbase, the only thing that keeps people fucking glued to that absolutely disgusting shit is either the extreme drama from all the nullsec corporations or just to fuck up with people, which probably leads everyone into either goonswarm or just lowsec gank groups.
I've played EVE for 4 years, and it didn't get any better.
The sheer amount of autism required to achieve anything valuable in that game is too fucking much, even for newcomers.
And it will only get worse, as the hyperinflation of the already-stale game economy will profit the veteran players but fuck up hard the rookies.
>a PLEX is worth 1,5 billion ISK
And then it's fucking normal to have these maximum plebs asking things like "how do i earn enough isk to play for free".
There are some better games out there that offer the whole space sci-fi bullshit that are even more enjoyable than this enormous psychopath containment game.
>>334762643
>Try the game
No.
>>334762759
>>334762756
Maybe you fellas should read the fuckign exchange.
Nigger proposed a Blockade runner to a new player to make money in trading. That's stupid as shit since it's expensive for someone starting for what it does, and a new player will need a long fuckign time to get the skills to fly it well.
>>334762951
>small shit
>long time to train
I guess a week is a long time to train
>grindfest
lol how?
>just to fuck with people
yes the game is ALL about PVP
>plex at 1.5b
it never got that high, its at 1.1 now
>>334762972
Ok senpai
>>334762951
>hyperinflation
What the fuck are you talking about, you literally never play the game
there is no hyper inflation in the game. Just because plex goes up in value because you can do more services with it doesn't magically mean its hyper inflation
the price of other items isn't going up, thats not hyper inflation
>>334762643
>Try the game.
Sure, one month to complete all the tutorial bullshit and get all these fresh cool 'n hip free ships and stuff only to get instantly bored as you see
>>334762528
Not really. You can start as a human, journey to the night elf city, then stealthily board the zeppelin to the undead necropolis while tons of horde players are jumping around trying to find you just for fun, or you can drink so much alcohol that you start seeing pink elephants, for instance.
Every zone looks drastically different than the others, and that's the most important point in that regard, though. You can relocate and progress through the game at a completely different location if you want.
>>334762056
There was a freight service, Red Frog. I don't know if it still exists.
>>334763362
it does, black frog too if you want to move shit through low/null
>>334763265
>You can start as a human, journey to the night elf city, then stealthily board the zeppelin to the undead necropolis while tons of horde players are jumping around trying to find you just for fun, or you can drink so much alcohol that you start seeing pink elephants, for instance.
You can start as a Caldari Pilot, journey to B-R and see the grave yard of hundreds of super capital ships that litter the battlefield.
>or you can drink alcohol for a screen color change
you're literally bragging about your screen changing colors because you consumed an in game item. Wow so fucking fantastic for gimmick novelties you'll do once then never touch again.
>every zone looks drastically different
you've never been to the different areas of EVE and seen the different constellations
Amarr looks nothing like the gallente space, and WH's are so fucking drastically different riddled with all sorts of explorable shit it'll make your head spin not even to mention the new Jove and Sansha shit.
>>334763579
It's OK timmy, one day you'll have at least two neurons to rub together!
>>334763646
>i have no arguments left, so i will attack you
Not him, but seriously fuck off, he has a point.
>>334763253
Takes less than an hour to complete the tutorials. Nice meme though.
>>334763579
This doesn't change the fact that EVE Online is a steaming pile of rotting, molding aged milk that only a few handful of people can enjoy in all of its features.
>>334763646
>hurr durr muh explo
>theres tons of explo in EVE, look at all these constellations, these monuments, these stars, these lore centric systems. Battlefield monuments of all sorts and faction specific lore to explore
>no those are shit, I can drink virtual alcohol and see pink elephants in some city.
>>334763861
(You)
>>334763819
>EVE is shit
>and all those people enjoying it aren't having REAL fun
>>334763743
>Takes less than an hour to complete the tutorials.
How about no.
>>334763819
>muh aged milk meme
who is looking forward to citadels?
>>334763929
>can't argue back
>get btfo
>replies with genericisms because he can't reply any further
>>334763957
>eat shit, millions of flies can't be wrong!
>Nobody plays it
What? It's got like 20,000 players always online.
>>334764027
me :>
>>334764027
the top 5% players, of course, and nobody else
i play a healer in eve online
>>334764109
>stop enjoying things I don't like
>>334764241
>you must enjoy what i like at all costs
>>334764223
>the top 5
everyone with any amount of worth between 1 and 7 billion isk
>>334750051
only nerds think themeparks aren't fun
>>334759605
Forgot the Bloodbath of B-R5RB which burned the dollar equivalent of $330000 and the fact they had over 200 titans in space at once...I was in Eve University and was on a patrol with one of the titan pilots from Pandemic Legion leading the patrol. He got his ass handed to him (I think 7 other CFC titans focus-fired him with their doomsday weapons) but said he was happy cause he got to participate in every PvPers wet dream, a titan battle.
Fun times.
>>334764345
So the top 10% players.
Barely any difference. :^)
>>334764332
never said you had to, but don't spew bullshit unfounded crap about EVE when its obvious you've never played it
You need to be a neet to fully enjoy this game, as pvp is the only long-term enthralling aspect.
PVP doesn't have a designated window for when it'll happen, so you have to have an open schedule for hours at a time to stick with a fleet or scout out areas. Everything else in the game rapidly sours with time. It's also extremely spotty when you will get good fights, as most of the time you will be wandering around looking for people, and then smashing into a force of hugely unequal strength. I wouldn't recommend it for anyone that has any other hobbies or responsibilities as it will rapidly become a second job, but like being on-call all the time.
>>334764446
>unfound
>le hurr u never played it meme xDDD
How about no, anon?
If you like your retarded eat-the-small-fishes simulator then why don't you fuck off to /eveg/ or reddit/r/Eve?
>>334764420
cant believe i forgot that
a videogame battle so important it even has its own wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodbath_of_B-R5RB
>>334764437
1b is nothing m8
The biggest issue I have with this game is that it looks like so much fun and I love space drama and territory control and shit, but everytime I play I get past the tutorial and then get told to go to this one part where you don't have the protection of the space police and INSTANTLY get killed and lose my shit right when I jump in.
I don't get how people are supposed to get very far in this game if they're new. To me it's like you have to have some corp sponsor you just to get out of highsec safely.
How do you even go about finding a corp that will take you in and transport you to wherever their home is so you can chill out and mine and just play the game without getting killed.
Is there some sort of 4chan corp or corp for different boards or something I could join and just have a small group of friends to play with that has a little bit of territory and is under another bigger alliance so I could live in my little bubble and not get killed? If so how do I find one.
It's almost like you need to know someone in real life to sponsor you.
>>334750051
probably because a lot of people pick trade or mining or business at first and end up just being high reward npc's even after a few months.
>>334750051
is this still $15 a month?
I don't like sci fi games
stuck playing black shit desert not eve
>there will never be a casual space MMO just like eve but with less grinding and LotGH-style combat
why live
>>334764825
>just play the game without getting killed.
You can't.
Welcome to EVE.
>>334750051
It's a life commitment. I have things to do besides this.
>>334764825
>4chan corp
>>>/goonswarm/
>>334764825
Eve University. Look it up.
They have scheduled patrols and activities on the regular. They have free T1 frigate hulls (just don't be a dick and take like, everything) and for larger T1 ships they have an active replacement program if you lost the ship for a good cause.
They're also super helpful and get guests from really well-known coaltions to come and say hi. They DO get war-decc'd like all the time but really, that's a fun learning experience. And if it bothers you, they even have the option for you to leave the corp to carebear and come back when the war is over.
It's pretty much my recommendation for any new EvE player that feels lost.
>>334764437
having more than a billion isk in assets or liquid is not "the top 10%"
>>334764602
you're spewing memes about it being a spreadsheet simulator
I quickly realized EVE is a game I love hearing people talk about, but have no interest whatsoever in playing. Which is fine, I'm not gonna sit here and shitpost about it. I'd rather the people who can stomach the game play it, experience the neat things and tell me about them, so that I don't have to.
combat sucks
>>334764871
its 11 dollars if you buy it 6 months at a time
>>334764497
You can't be a neet, I'm sorry. You need two computers to launch several clients and monitor them at the same time. You need to be able to pay 4 PLEX per month (2 for accounts, 2 for monetary expenses) in order to eliminate grind. And if you like to fly big ships, you have to pay even more.
all praise our lord protector, James 315
saviour of highsec
>>334765493
No you don't
>>334765172
>Eve University
HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAHAA
>>334765570
they're the number one new player corporation
>nobody plays it
>30,000 people at peak time on ONE server
kek.
>WoW in glory days
>11 million people playing
>still only 5,000 people on one server
>nobody plays it
kek
>>334765631
arent they basically a farm for other corps?
>>334764027
citadel on the test server
>>334765668
>kek.
its one unified server and it hit 45k when the war started.
One server is superior to a bunch of shit ones, it means everyone everywhere is on the same economy and battles and everything.
>>334765742
not really, they form good fleets and they shit on other entities purely because of numbers
other superior new player corps are things like Pandemic Horde
>>334764825
Of course you need friends, you baka, EVE is a social game after all.
But as the time passes, you will harden up, and friends, who are weak, who are untrustworthy, who aren't dedicated enough to the game, would be a burden to you. Then it's really hard to find the people that would suit you. And you become a lone wolf. But lone wolves don't play long.
>>334756381
>null
Found the issue.
>>334765668
>News on EVE
>HUGE ASS WAR HUGE ASS BATTLES HUGE ASS LOSSES
>news on WoW
>so yea activision is shit and fucked their playerbase and they're losing hundreds of thousands of subscribers every month and content is heavily stagnating
>>334757241
>>334757995
KEK!
They won't. Goons suck. They are all plebby idiots with shitfits. And they are currently getting an assraping from everyone in eve who isn't some stupid high-sec miner.
>>334758443
basically the biggest most powerful guild in the game who love to greif.
But what they make up for in numbers they lack in organisation. They are really just a mob of rabble.
>>334765850
>mfw you can DD orcas
>>334765536
But it's not as interesting to play like that. Earning money, even stealing shit, takes alot of time and effort. And it becomes a chore. 90% of time you will be doing this instead of having fun.
>>334766054
>They won't. Goons suck.
its really funny they didn't show up for a SINGLE fucking strategic timer, they've lost trillions of valuables and sovereignty
>>334765850
>its one unified server and it hit 45k when the war started.
which is exactly what i was saying knobhead. Note I bolded ONE server.
>>334766241
Are you saying a unified server is bad?
>>334766323
>being this dense
>>334766162
You can't DD an orca, its not a capital ship
>>334766409
proof?
>>334750051
I'm very interested in the concept but EVE online itself is already damn old. I'll wait for a successor to it so AI don't feel like I'm behind everyone there.
>>334766604
Are you baiting or just retarded.
>>334766653
Play Elite Dangerous, anon.
The "EVE UPDATE" is very close too.
>>334766604
https://u.pomf.is/pmoqpk.webm
if youre looking for a game to really sink some time into, you cant go wrong with eve
just dont try it play it solo, join a corp and make friends asap, or youll get bored and quit
>>334766669
you can DD, they are caps
>>334766801
No you can't see >>334766729
>>334766778
>potbs
>>334766697
>>334766653
This. PLAY ELITE DANGEROUS. It's better than Eve in my opinion too. You have so many decisions you can take. You can combat, trade or explore. Pic related is an Earth-like I found while going to Sag A*
>>334762615
I subbed 2 weeks ago. spent my first week trading and bought 6 skill injectors to speed up pvp fits. I'm now ganking brave ratters in null using t2 frigs (bombers) and having a lot of fun.
Game is pretty sweet, don't know why people are so shit
>>334765016
If Battlescape makes enough money we might someday see Infinity: The Quest for Earth get made. It would be the ultimate space sandbox, but I honestly don't see it happening.
>>334766653
>I'm behind everyone there
i really dont get this kind of thinking
would you stop working to make money, because there are billionaires out there who have more than you, and youll never catch up to them?
would you not play an fps because some people have learned all the maps and have better reflexes than you?
i find it strange, just play it to have fun
there was one guy who within a month or so of starting EVE had one of the biggest corps in the game, brave newbies, he was behind everyone, and now he's an eve legend
holy shit eve getting BTFO
I thought it was average at best but damn some people have a huge hate boner for it. Why not just forget it exists rather than get all salty about it?
What's the appeal of entombing a highly invested character in a super-capital?
>>334767060
>6 skill injectors
thats like 3.8b isk dude
where did you get the initial capital?
>>334767123
Anon that's a beta male thing, don't try to understand it.
>>334766778
i feel like I would enjoy eve if it had actual sinks, but it's just too basic on the surface, if using ships above a certain tech level, like those that require starship command 4 or higher, required fuel I would like it more, i know most people wouldn't but it just made the game boring without sinks for your cash, at a certain point it is just making obscene amounts of money for no reason
>>334767229
>i feel like I would enjoy eve if it had actual sinks
how is losing ships not the biggest fucking actual sink there is?
>>334767204
He probby plexed it, mate.
>eve online
>2003+9
>>334758582
>tfw DUST514 was left for dead and is turning off for the final time next month.
It could have been great
>>334767229
>eve
>not having sinks
Did you actually play it, mate?
>>334761767
>railguns and missiles
kek. lazoors are more advanced.
>>334767376
They're apparently making a PC fps instead.
>>334767184
For some hisec carebears it's like a wet dream. But actually, supercaps and their pilots aren't owned by one person.
>>334767172
its not just on 4chan that eve gets this kind of reception, its everywhere, review sites, steam, youtube, you name it
the reason is because these plebs try the game out, die in a fire, then cry and uninstall instead of learning from their mistakes and carrying on
the average gamer today is an ADHD-addled faggot with no patience and a severe dose of butthurt
EVE is fucking awesome but very overwhelming for a new player, especially someone new without vets to lend a hand.
It also can be really boring like others have said.
The politics in it are unmatched by nearly any game tho.
One thing to be noted is that they've had a steady decline in subs for quite awhile now, they are at the lowest they've been in some time.
I believe with the current war lots of corps are recruiting new players and offering them shit as they need manpower, so now is a decent time to get in if someone was so inclined.
>>334767376
Yikes, that was a failure, eh?
>>334767204
It's called not being shit. You go complain in new player chat about how hard everything is and someone will drop you 20mil sooner or later.
Then it's just the standard market game in jita which is a fucking walk in the park to make a lot of money quickly. You literally have to be brain dead to not be able to plex accounts station trading on an alt.
I've been playing now for a little over 2 weeks and I can afford multiple alt accounts from understanding how markets work.
>>334767454
Emptying you shit capacitor in a cristal till it's shine is not as advanced as a explosive payload rocketting across space calculating trajectory and speed hundreds of times a second.
Then again, it's well known that Amarrfucks are about as learned as the average irish catholic.
>>334760961
For most of the market, playing an MMO is about having full access to a line of professions and combat options. EVE claims to be the game with the most depth to the profession segment but does absolutely everything to disallow the player from engaging with it. That includes placing 10y of skill queues between nothing and mastery. That's not only a huge deterrant, it's fucking ludicrous. Sure, having all skills would be unnecessary to specialize.. or whatever other excuse makes it seem as if gating the only feature your game has (the sandbox) is OK; and it's even worse because all of that can be surpassed with real money.. but the idea that the game has absolutely no mechanic in place to prevent progression is pure tripe. There's nothing to do with all of the money in the game if it's locked through SP.Inb4 "muh first day Titan". It's just an example. Everything is like this. The game has 20y of skill queues overall.
>>334767881
you realize that 90% of the core skills are beneficial to 100% of the ships right?
a titan is not the endgame
>>334767548
>An Actual James 315 cuckpuppet
How does one get so beta as to willingly follow the Anthony Burch of eve?
Eve is fucking garbage unless you're one of the following:
1. Part of a small consistent wolf pack with juicy targets
2. A Fleet Commander
Everything else is just following orders. Could be replaced by a robot and lose nothing
EVE Theme music.
lainchan
.org
/radio.html
>>334766697
>>334767002
>>334766653
Don't play elite, that game is literally boredom simulator: space edition.
The devs last notable game is literally kinectimals, that should tell you about the skill behind their studio.
>>334767881
>The game has 20y of skill queues overall.
half the Industry skills are worthless to put to 5
things like Yan Jung technology is NOT a skill you put to 5 and there are tons of these skills you never touch
>20y of skills
if you want to literally do EVERYTHING on one single character, so flying everything from DPS to Logi to explo to EWAR to Recon to HAC to Triage and Siege to every titan skill and every associative racial skill
No one does this, people min-max and focus
>>334768007
i cant hear you over 1t worth of isk killed per month
keep hating some guy because he ganked your pleb mining ship, we'll be over here being awesome and taking down more ship than most nullsec alliances
>>334767993
>a titan is not the endgame
Mining, reprocessing the minerals, and producing the ships would be for industry; but being competitive/efficient in that would also take a lot of training.
As stated, it's like that for legitimately every role in the game. ..The same roles that players would absolutely enjoy if they could.
>>334768007
I've never seen Anthony Birch cause more salt within the Highsec mining community at all ever, James315 is literally the ultimate ruse master
>>334767881
Oh come on, I thought you are being serious. You know you can buy a character for ISK? You can buy a titan pilot, even with an actual titan on day one, if you have enough dollars. Just admit that you are poor.
>>334767502
Source? If true, and if it's anything like DUST was meant to be (trailer), day one buy for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0gOjOWDuI
>>334768259
>Mining, reprocessing the minerals, and producing the ships would be for industry; but being competitive/efficient in that would also take a lot of training.
Thats why they give you multiple character slots dude, you don't train mining skills on your PVP character.
>THATS FOR EVERY ROLE
but no one actively pursues every role on one character, they have multiple characters for this, multiple accounts even
>>334768039
>Everything else is just following orders. Could be replaced by a robot and lose nothing
Hey we need logistic player for alliance pvp can anyone do it? We even pay you for it, hell we even give you free ship for it and replace it if it blown up.
>>334767635
Pretty much. Horrible optimized, bad servers, and none of the content they said would be in it at release was there.
>>334768141
It's only boring if you're confined to yourself and if you only play in solo without interacting or roleplaying
>>334768169
This. My main is an industrialist, in 5 years i got every single relevant invention manufacture etc skill maxed, and a perfect pirate battleship skillset.
>>334768267
>>334768229
Double cockpuppets, apparently dumb enough to fall for it. I was there when James was a random shitter in Osmon trying ( and failling) to bump my fleet of Retri in the permanent icefields. Dude is a autist of a degree that would make Ulililia a Kavorka man.
>>334768491
Jokes on you, I played public. The largest 'community' in the game is a closed off private server circlejerk of plebes who have a 'NO PVP ALLOWED' rule, however.
Good thing there are 10000000000000000000000000000000 procedurally generated star systems so that the 5 remaining players in public will run into eachother once every 50 quintillion years.
>>334768169
>>334768380
>>334768595
>actually supporting training for 5 years for a niche
Nobody gets why it's a thing, because it's fucking awful and uninteresting "progression". The market likes playing games, not offline queues that can be surpassed with real money.
do nothing but mine or run missions in highsec all day
>why is EVE so boring? nothing happens!
never make an attempt to talk to anyone, because youre scared that someone will target you for daring to speak
>why doesnt anyone ever talk? EVE is sooooo boring!
never leave highsec, too scared to lose your shiny ship
>ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzz
eve is as boring as you make it
because the playerbase is the equivalent of the socioeconomic heirarchy in the united states
if you start now you'll only be as good as people that started at the same time as you and if you take a break you'll fall behind to people that started before you
>>334768798
Free (You) for you!
>>334768273
Then there's this faggotry. Fuck off, dev team. If SP was removed, a bunch of the market would play the game; and you admit it with your updates and your videos. A house divided against itself cannot stand.
>>334768872
>someone who never played eve thinks his opinion on eve matters
>>334768872
There is a large possibility of advancement tho.
I did close to 100bn profits stockpilling Ice when they announced the changes.
>>334768810
See the above 20 posts about 20y of offline skill queues.
The last time I had fun in EVE was 2005I am still subbed, please send help
>>334768872
It's not, because "more progression" doesn't mean "more power". A guy with 1 year worth of skill points can lose to 3 people, who have 2 months each.
>>334768595
New guy here. I just start Eve not long ago mostly go for industrial too. Do I need to have my alt ready right away?
>>334769053
So much of the profit margins are based on SP training that it's a bit ludicrous trying to get into the game and picking a niche. I probably couldn't find a single RL referral that would be into giving up combat training for mining SP or whatevs. That's the problem with advertising depth but only showing players the option of unlocking it with real money as they come.
>>334768992
eve doesn't matter in any context
it's only effect on gaming as a whole has been containing SA forum dwellers
>>334769272
And simultaneous players of the same skillfulness potential that start with and without paying for SP would have massively unique experiences, the paying player with much more for options. Less taxes for trading, more ISK-making combat options, more efficiency for every combat ship flown, etc.
>>334769309
When you say industrial, are you trying to make things, or are you mining?
>>334768798
>>actually supporting training for 5 years for a niche
you can get into any niche in less than 8 months who the fuck are you kidding you don't even play
>>334769101
skills queues mean nothing, you can be killing 10+ year old chars within days if youre not stupid
>>334769309
Better scratch this and go pvp. PVP is the only real fun in EVE. Industrial stuff is best left for alts.
>>334769309
Not really. Personally i'd suggest getting at least some skill in combat or exploration first and foremost. Industry is probably the hardest thing to get in, since profit margins are always based on a max skill characters, and BPO need to be bought then researched to be profitable. Took me 1 year to get my basic shit in check and start making money off of it. Now i'm sitting pretty with 8ME freighter BPO'S running fulltime and inventing a rhea from time to time.
>>334769519
Both but mining come first.
>>334769672
>8 months
>this is acceptable for a video game
what the fuck is wrong with you autists?
>>334769834
>1
>year
>1 year
this is why people shit on Eve
>>334769454
>largest battle in videogame history
>largest amount of players on a single server in any game in history
>most powerful custom-made single-threaded game server on earth
>only MMO to break the mold in that it somehow retains subscribers and doesnt die, without being WoW
>only active MMO left that gives players any kind of freedom to do what they want
yeah, EVE doesnt matter
>>334770021
>people don't play wow for years thats unnacceptable.
8 months puts you into literally ANY niche you want whether it be recons/probing/bombers/covert ops because remember the first 5 months of skills applies to 100% of the ships. Or to as far as if you wanna fly a capital ship of any kind thats easy to get into as well.
wanna do heavy assault cruisers? thats not long
wanna do any kind of shit? literally the sky is your limit
it doesn't take 5 years to get into a niche, 5 years will get you EVERY fucking niche but no one does that because that'd be a waste of a character
>>334770196
autism
>>334770248
8 months to get started is a fucking retarded stretch of time for something you play to havefun
in fact it's not just fucking retarded
it's unfathomably shitty
>>334770196
> it somehow retains subscribers and doesnt die, without being WoW
Dofus.
anyone else been to the ninja turtle planet?
>>334770340
pleb
>>334770130
This is why retards shit on EVE. To stoop to your level, you don't get to make cobaltite armor set at 10 blacksmithing level. It's the same shit.
A new player can start the game , mine some asteroids, and build himself some ammo in station after a few hours.
He will NEVER make a fucking cent on the market, tho
>>334770340
>8 months to get started
holy fuck you're dense as shit
8 months gets you any well placed niche
you can start doing all sorts of shit even a few days in, stop making shit up. You don't play, you don't know anything about it, stop pretending like you do.
On the way to getting into that niche, you acquire skills that affects every ship that you fly and helps it perform better. You'll max out some frigate skill before you even begin to touch your niche very early on, you'll learn more keyboard skills and actually knowing how shit works before your niche ever comes into question.
>>334769813
No way in hell I'm at the mercy of the corp's pocket money.
I'm detecting a severe amount of plebbit in this thread.
>>334760571
it costs more and more every day to buy PLEX with isk. it was 300 million a few years ago, now it's over 1 billion
you're going to burn yourself out on the grind anyway
>>334770494
>don't want to spent 8 months grinding to get started
>would rather drop into the game and enjoy it
>pleb!!!!!!!
this is why people shit on Eve
>>334770541
the time spans you've mentioned have all been months or years
are you seeing the problem? it shouldn't take this fucking long to get where you want to be
ESPECIALLY if you want to do multiple characters
>>334764225
That image causes me to feel a bit of regret for never attempting logi during my EVE romps.
>>334770698
autism
>>334770698
>the time spans you've mentioned have all been months or years
None of the time spans I've mention have been years
you can play a frig very well at a few weeks in, thats the easiest, best role you could ever occupy right off the bat since frigs are so cheap and so popular.
Nothing I said went into years, you're not even reading you're just making shit up because you don't even play the game at all ever. If you don't like putting months into MMO's then every MMO under the sun isn't for you.
You want to SPECIALIZE into a SPECIFIC NICHE is 8 months flat
you're gonna be able to do so much more in the mean time, you're gonna fly multiple different kinds of cruisers, fly so many different kinds of ships. You'll probably get the ability to fly a T3 ship of some kind too probably a T3C or T3D. You'll do all this shit before you even fall into a niche
>>334761715
>every system is effectively the same thing.
>>every system
>you know there are some 4200 systems plus 1200 wormholes right?
Are you literally retarded?
>>334770953
You won't visit every system in eve I guarantee it
you'll stage on some system your corp lives in and visit the surrounding systems
people complaining that every system is the same fails to grasp the scope of the logistics that go into the size of EVE as a whole
>>334770902
Anon, stop.
Not him, but really, stop.
No amount of damage control will save your ass or this "game".
Some find this game funny, some do not.
Some do enjoy throwing 5 months of their life to pursue assets on a game that means nothing, some do not.
Stop throwing shit at the wall hoping that some of it sticks, it's not working.
The gameplay is shit, the community is shit, the mechanics are shit.
The only interesting things in that game are the absolutely awesome soundtrack and the general setting\scenery of it.
Everything else is pure shit.
>>334769739
>combat is the only niche in the game
>a few shitty pilots surely makes up for the fact that every other character is classes of ships and modules above yours
>you will never be chribba
why live?
>>334771113
>no rebutal
>just hurr stop damage control
>proving him wrong on every step because hes a fucking retard and doesn't play the game
nice backpedal into "well it doesn't matter I think its shit therefore it is"
>>334771105
>every system is literally the same
>that means people don't realize that every system is the same therefore every system is not the same so every system is the same because every system is the same
Keep trying, Timmy, you'll make it!
>>334771180
>I have no idea why people would think this game is shit!
>Please buy! :(
>>334771113
>I don't know anything about EVE but I'll spew memes like "it takes years to do anything useful" and other garbage memes
>>334771129
keep crying about being inferior, cuck
the rest of us are killing shit and having a blast
>>334771257
you back pedal so hard you could power amarr's lasers for years
>>334771180
If a shit is a shit, it's shit.
It is not like you can discuss how a shit is not actually a shit.
>but i have fun with it! i love to shape it in so many different ways! i even made little men out of poo!
It's still shit.
>>334771369
>get proven wrong and BTFO
>back pedal into "Its shit.. SHIIIIIIIIIIT"
>>334750051
Played Eve for 6+ years.
It's the best MMO ever made.
The community, the opportunity, the sandbox, the immersion, the atmosphere all perfect.
However it also became a job.
Truth is the MMO genre is dead in today's times.
>>334771426
>I seriously can't imagine why other people don't like the game I like!
>Guys! Please buy! :(
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM YOU POO-LOVING MOTHERFUCKER
ARE YOU FROM INDIA PERHAPS?
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I WILL END YOUR WHOLE FAMILY YOU FUCKING POO-GUZZLING INDIAN SHITSKIN
>>334771441
come back anon, join goons or join the guys killing goons, this war is fucking good times right now
>>334762571
Problem is the system is too obtuse from the outset. Also, players shouldn't be creating 100% of the content, unless it's fun. It's a little too simulation based with the boring stuff. It has its niche, like the trucking video games, but not mass appeal in that respect.
>every single EVE thread outside of /vg/ ends in a eve is shit vs eve is good git gud endless war until bumplimit
Why.
>>334771548
>Also, players shouldn't be creating 100% of the content, unless it's fun.
Why not?
EVE is full of content created by the players
CCP creates certain content too, especially with lore based content like the Sansha Incursions and Jove uprising.
>>334771671
Because wow shills are paid to post on /v/.
>>334771671
>IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T ENJOY EATING SHIT, SEE THIS IS THE PROBLEM, SHIT IS GOOD! PLEASE EAT IT! PLEASEEE :((((
>>334771671
fags be fags, and cant just enjoy a comfy eve thread
>>334771737
>only people that play wow can dislike eve
>>334770535
M8, no other MMO takes a year (and of offline "gameplay") to get 10 blacksmithing level. EVE's competition isn't even other MMOs necessarily. It's F2P games and all the survival early access titles that consistently come. EVE would be the best game to play if it just let its subs do so.
>>334771180
>>334771265
>there are 20y of skill queues, and skills affect every stat in the game including HP and DPS
>but maybe I won't be limited
>>334771805
Is the money good at least?
you guys know dat feelin
>>334770958
but what region is that
>>334771541
Last I heard the goons weren't doing shit.
I would love to get revenge after they kicked us out of 6VDT, but the game is way too time consuming.
Last time I played, fleet ops took fucken forever.
>>334771825
Every time you post the only thing you manage to do is to keep digging your whole deeper and further demonstrate that you don't even begin to know anything about eve. At the beginning, it was like you played a few hours and quit. Now, it's like you read all about eve and are going out of your way to speak in opposites.
>>334771995
>
Your argument.
>>334771265
>>334771825
Not denying that it can take time to train skills, but there are ways to significantly decrease the time it takes to train the skills you want
>>334771825
You are pretty damn good at showing how dumb you are.
Ever got 99 blacksmithing in Runescape?
>>334772115
How about the company not denying that it limits their sub income..
>>334772115
>LOL IT TAKES TIME TO DIG AFUCKING TRENCH, WHY NOT PAYING 38572358327523563245923592 DEOLLARS TO HIRE A MOTHERFUCKING EXCAVATOR??? YOU'LL BE FASTERRRXDDDD
More like Eve Offline.
Log in every few days to add skills to your 24 hour queue.
Log off.
>>334772204
Holy shit you're retarded. There are literally in game items that are widely available to everyone that do this. By the same metaphor you're voluntarily using a stick to dig a well and then complaining when everyone else has shovels
>>334759605
The vast majority of casual EVE pilots support the downfall of Goons. The will of the people are with reddit in this until Goons is destroyed and then this reddit coalition can destroy themselves for the betterment of the people
>>334772146
>giving a shit about a game as grindy as EVE
OK.
>>334772301
>in game items that cost 40 billions
>heh shovel :^D
>>334772284
the queue is now unlimited
now you can add skills for years, if you like
>>334772301
Some get paid in sticks and some in shovels. That doesn't make anything more interesting for a market that already disregards P2W.
>>334772449
So now I never ever have to log in?
>>334772381
There's a fine line between pretending and beign retarded
>skinner box grind for isk
>time gates slowly unlock the game that you are paying for monthly
>people with more time unlocked will always have the advantage over you
>you can buy game advantages for moneypay2win
>monthly fee
>named after the woman that, inspired by satan, tempted man into death
>>334757995
Goons are no longer Goons.
They became BoB. They started to take the game too seriously and it bit them in the ass.
This is coming from someone that was a member of the CFC before they became "Imperium"
>>334750051
Too much work, not enough 'Fun'.
It was neat, I tried a two week trial and sunk twenty hours in, but it wasn't fun and felt like a chore.
I'm not a dudebro, I have a couple thousand hours in Paradox games and SS13, but those are fun and while they have learning curves, they're not ridiculously extreme.
>>334772584
And there's a fine line too between being a shill and a delusional idiot who loves to gargle CCP cock.
>>334772708
So straight to the retarded bin. Clears that up
>>334772579
wow, no need to be so obtuse, friend
its just a videogame
>>334767548
Never buy a mining permit from these fraudsters. They are known to kill people with permit anyways just for lols.
I still mine in their territory with my Retriever and manage to get away quickly or survive just in time to see them BTFO by police because they have shitty gankers enforcing the mining strips
>>334772602
>being poor
>>334772854
just buy a mining permit dude, its only 10m isk for 1 whole year
>>334771721
A management system would better simulate the experience. In a different setting for example
>As the owner of a farm, you decide on planting
>soil conditions, weather, season, etc all impact your crops
>you have to decide and order people in the production
Would free the player for further fun pursuits after an hour or two of daily management. You can of course further wrinkle it by managing trade for a village, going on caravan runs etc, advertising products etc.
Actually, a medieval-theme take on EVE could be pretty cool.
Fucking kek dude, this game is brutal.
I don't like it but I respect it for being something different. Current MMOs suck ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0
>>334770646
I remember when it was 200M.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1F4OduqrtQ
World War Bee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aJz4n21gD8
>>334773353
That already exists. It's called Planetary Interaction and the "farm" is straight up required for player owned space to exist, causing supply chain shenanigans alongside it.
>>334774693
seriously whats with the inflation in this gayme
>>334776985
PLEX is pretty much the only thing that's gone up A) that much B) that consistently. If you invest in anything other than PLEX it's probably lost you money or maybe if you're lucky stayed the same.
>>334777089
It's probably by design by CCP. I'm sure there's some background management of PLEX by them.
The higher PLEX prices go the more people will buy them to sell for isk. If the price is low people will PLEX their subs instead of paying real money.
>>334777479
>>334777089
It's not even that hard. THe real problems were incursions. Too many ISK entering
>>334750051
Only reason I stopped playing is because massive corporations have a deathgrip on the market of the world. Literally anything you buy or sell on the market is going to line their pockets and serve to only solidify their position in space.
I tried living in a high sec pocket and manufacturing everything I used, but that's impractical from a PvP standpoint since it's hard to keep up manufacturing anything more than cheap frigates when you have to mine to build them. I couldn't build a control tower anywhere either because I'd find myself war dec'd within a week and unable to defend against multiple established corporations with only three or four people.
I think I'd like the game better if it were possible for an independent to leach resources or something else from larger corps. You know, directly damage their pocketbooks rather than just blow up a few worthless ships when they have thousands more.
>>334750051
I like to play my MMOs for fun and at my leisure, not turn it into a second job.
>>334750479
CoE actually looks pretty neat, I hope the combat demo at PAX is well received.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cawwR8n875s
Gotta admit, that cape is pretty sexy
>>334776985
There's not a lot that takes ISK out of the game. Buying skillbooks or any of the small number of items directly from NPCs takes out a menial amount, broker fees and sales tax takes out about a percent on transactions. Blueprint actions take out a sliver of ISK. Buying insurance that never gets utilized (on average it does though, which adds more isk to the game). They haven't found a solid isk sink yet.
Destroying ships does not destroy isk, contrary to popular opinion -- the industrialists that made the ship and modules already have the isk when you destroy it, all it does is reduce the amount of non-currency assets in the game, which enhances inflation.
As the developers, you want some inflation because deflation is extremely bad for an economy as it makes holding onto your money i.e. doing nothing, into a valid investment strategy.
because its gameplay is boring and tedious.
Though I would play it again. (played a few months of it) but its not worth a monthly fee IMO.
>>334778298
This. I just make a free-trial account every so often and dick around in Jita.
>not playing eve online in the most exclusive lowclass WH corp
>>334778091
It's because you try to fight the system instead of becoming a part of it. It's natural, though. I've gone lone wolf before quitting too.
>>334776985
Maybe playerbase got gud? Those were the easy days when you could agentrun in 0.0 and earn billions within a few days by doing honest work (I mean, no trading or scamming).
>>334765908
>lone wolves don't play long
Sometimes I unsub and stop playing for a bit months, but I have been successfully being a Jita whore for a few months trading. I might pick up the game again and try my hand at having alts at Dodixie and Amarr to expand my trade empire.
>mfw someone puts up a sell order as a buy order on accident for something you just happened to have that you were looking to put up for trade
>Love missioning in EVE
>Build all sorts of silly setups for doing L4s.
>Blaster Naga, 3x nanoframe Megathron, Ishkurs, Enyos.
>Wind up wardec with several corps for no real reason, so I revert back to an NPC corp.
>Buy a rattlesnake cheap long ago, patch comes and suddenly they jump from 400m to 900m on the market.
>Become a target for gankers despite being in an NPC corp.
>Eventually die to a gang of 4 Tornados who wreck me before I can warp out even with omni resists.
>Can't use my Kronos or Vindicator for the same reason.
>Not enough time to haul my stuff all around the world to do incursions with a new job IRL.
>Eventually cancel my sub after it becomes too dangerous to move anything bigger than a T1 battleship around.
I know one of the appeals is suppose to be that nowhere is safe, but after a while I'd just rather not have to watch over my should everywhere I go.
Does All-Out still exist? I was about to join them before I quit, they seemed like an interesting corp.
>>334779624
They exist, but I don't know why you would want to join them.
>>334779479
Do your missioning in a backwater system.
Literally that simple.
>>334779362
>mfw all those 1-ISK undercutters
That's why I don't like trading
>>334779479
Elite Dangerous faggot here.
I would love something with the flying capability of ED while having the player driven society/economy of EVE.
That way people who can only commit a little to the game could have the joy of flying and atmosphere while full commitment player get an other level of satisfaction by the power gap.
Is the Valkyr flight system supposed to be implemented in standard EVE?
Also Scam Citizen seems to try to bridge the gap. Just read up on its economy. How likely is it going to be succesful?
>used to think people that got scammed were stupid and deserved it
>later
>lose 500m in a scam
>>334751247
>subcription
if you get the 21 day trial I'm pretty sure you can train enough skills to do content stuff to make lots of money, my favorite so far being incursions where I have to do barely anything and within a few hours you can afford paying the subscription with ingame money
>>334778501
is that fucking mandelor i see?
>>334779479
>not using dscan
>not using bookmarks
>not staying aligned
>not having known gankers added to contacts and checking local
>quitting when times get tough
you only have yourself to blame
>>334781247
>needing to stay aligned in high sec space
>bothering to check the huge local list that comes with high sec space
>>334750449
haha
many people call it a sandbox,
but its more of a fish bowl when you really think of it
every star system is like a tank you swim around in like a retard, with random decorative crap thrown in
>>334781570
When they added the regional nebulae to the skymap, that was pretty immersive though
>>334781247
I actually add whole corps to my blacklists, the problem I have is more throwaway characters showing up. Doesn't happen often, but then again, it doesn't need to when your ship's worth 1 billion or better ISK.
Also, I think high sec pockets are actually worse than standard high sec for gankers. Probably because people caught on that those who want to be left alone inhabit them, so it's easier to gank them when they stop paying attention to local.
I lived in a wormhole for a couple of years, and one of the reasons I left was because I got tired of spamming d-scan constantly and having to manage logistics so much. High sec was a lot more relaxed, but in the few months before I quit, it seemed like things were heating up to the point I was having to go through the same precautions as before.
>>334781890
no it wasn't
do you literally work at CCP?
>>334763362
>Red Frog
Man I used up billions on that service. Literally a godsend for frequent moving.
is there a 4chan pvp corp?
>>334782523
Literally better than having the background change drastically with every jump
>>334780437
Nebula Online
>>334762056
One trick I learned when trading is that battleships and other rarely bought high sec items can be bought and sold for great margins. Once, I was buying Rokhs and Ravens and turning them around for 50 million ISK profits by selling them at a good price near mission hubs. People think because they only sell such a ship once in a blue moon they can take a loss on the value, same goes for buying.
The advantage to dealing with single ships like that is you just fly them yourself to their destination and no one bothers you. It would take a coordinated team to destroy a battleship in transit, and there's no value in a wrecked ship, so they just skip it.
>>334770627
testie here, this is accurate
>>334782625
It used to be Broski enterprises, then it splintered off into Pizza. Don't know what happened after that.
>>334782845
wow
its absolutely fucking nothing
nobody cares, retard
it's ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
>>334778501
>>334781082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iEpE53-n2s
Confirmed
>>334750051
Space in general is boring
>>334750051
>Nobody plays it
There used to be a lot of people playing, but like everything, it gets old and doesn't have the marketing budget of World of Warcraft to keep itself alive.
>>334750664
That's most MMORPG anon.
Exceptions are games like TERA.
>>334750051
Fucked up progression discouraging newcomers.
is it too late to try?
>>334788335
Not really, but if you lone wolf it you'll get your shit kicked repeatedly.
If you can start with a already established corp you should be fine.
>>334764825
I'm not sure if you're in the thread anymore but I'll play with you if you want
