FINAL FANTASY XV
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10 FUCKING YEARS
Also some new garbage about SE wasting money on animation.
http://archive.is/3MthE
liking final fantasy in 2016 is like liking the simpsons in 2016
>>334744014
Fix the fucking shadows
>>334744014
if Square let the fans decide if FFXV and 7R would have turn-based combat or real-time action combat, what would the majority want?
>>334744073
Light does have time stopping and slowing abilities, and while slowing down time, she can speed up (Army of one). But yeah, I doubt its Dragonball Super speed.
>>334744210
Why hasn't Kagari killed herself yet?
>another shitposting thread
just what we needed..
How will XV's look?
>>334744210
GO THE FUCK AWAY ALREADY
>>334744684
Most likely like on of the bahamuts from 1-5
>>334744357
I'd be fine with the combat XV has now if it actually felt responsive. Sure you can do some pretty cool combos but hitting enemies doesn't feel good at all.
>>334744875
If you don't want to see it then why do you still come in these shitposts threads?
>>334744907
i heard it feels repetitive, like spamming the same move too often.
How is it not responsive ? is there lag?
>>334744684
Looks like he's on the logo.
>>334744192
This. It's way, way past its prime. I don't know why people have such high hopes for this game. Looks kinda cool at first and all, but SE will find a way to disappoint most of the people in the end.
fuck stella/luna
>>334723252
/10-years#p334744864
>different eye color
>one guy has a spiky bang
>everything else teh same
so different! wow, it's like night and day
>>334745021
I don't see it.
Why /v/ has such a boner for this game?
>>334745456
hate boner*
>>334745080
>This. It's way, way past its prime.
That might be the case if every game past 4 sequels weren't different games. Different characters, different story, and often different gameplay mechanics and player progression. Which is what you have to do for a long running series, and why it can still be creatively stimulating after 15 entries.
>>334745456
You mean 4 samefags every time, if you've been here long enough you can tell when it's the same shitposter shitposting again with the same exact wording each time, still waiting for DoA-kun to show up.
>>334744907
So you're saying Versus XIII is unresponsive then
>>334744014
>Having amazing animation tech is "wasting money" on animation
Yeah no fuck off, XV has the absolute best and most fluid animation I've ever seen in a game.
>>334745732
>behemoth interacts with enviroments
>characters do not give a shit if you run into walls
>don't even touch them unless it's a hidden cave loading screen
Bravo Square
>>334745175
Cidney has had more screentime so far than both anyway so Cidney is best girl, and in reality we will most likely be seeing more of Cidney than any other female character in the game since we get a lot of quests from Cidney and she does car maintenance stuff, plus is always driving around to different areas and stuff.
>>334744207
It's got that next-gen pop.
Does anybody else feel that FF15 would've done a lot better if was released even if buggy 8 years ago?
I mean despite the fact it was thought to vapourware and its graphics become near obsolete.
The time it was revealed stuff like TWEWY, Naruto, Death Note and whole other bunch of japanese stuff was really prevalent, I mean people were cosplaying for a game that had yet to be release.
I think it really would've done better than now, even if they had just copied the Kingdom hearts engine and tweaked it they could've gotten people who were turned away from KH's light mood and into the dark gritty fantasy.
Also kinda would've liked the Romeo&Juliet/Romance setting
>>334745724
Well it's also the same 3-4 guys with their Kagari shit and their collage images and walls of text so it works
I wonder if they'll keep this up till September
>>334745824
>fluid
No, with that framerate I can't see it.
whoa
>>334745648
Yes, all different. But what if it's different for worse, instead of better? That's what happened with XIII, which I consider a massive downgrade over almost everything the previous games had done, except graphics.
>>334745000
It just feels like you're hitting the air most of the time if you're not using the greatsword or the shield for parries. And yes there is input lag, low fps and frametime problems which obviously don't help.
The platinum demo was only a small area and it ran like ass, and that makes me wonder how the full game will run if the engine can't keep steady fps against one Iron Golem.
I'm still hopeful because if the game manages to feel like an adventure with solid character building and story, I can forgive an unresponsive combat system.
>>334744907
There are attacks that counter enemies and knock them off balance, but you hardly ever see someone try using them.
Like warp striking from a long distance can stun, and the skewering sound it makes is pretty satisfying.
I was very skeptical about FFXV at first, but it actually looks pretty good now. Animations look cool and fluid, world seems vast and with tons of cool shit to do(like the chocobo and flying car)and combat seems to be decent enough. I'm still skeptical about the story and characters though, SE will have to show me that they can make an engaging narrative again.
they actually finished this game many times, but each time they give it to their focus-group it gets terrible reviews and isn't "impressive" enough.
For 10 years this game has failed to meet the minimum standard of quality control. Now Square is being pressured by its shareholders to release the game regardless, despite it receiving poor reviews from all game-testers they hired.
>>334746197
xiii was bad but xv looks better. if xv is bad you'll have a better case
>>334744684
It will look like Type-0 Bahamut
Any richfags buying the official Roen clothing? I considered getting Noctis' socks as a novelty, but that was soon put to bed after realising the shipping was going to cost almost 3 times as much as the actual item.
>>334744684
i really hope it's chubby bahamut, those are my fave designs
>>334744207
And i thought black desert had a shitty draw distance.
>>334745923
Uh what? The characters push away shrubs and bushes when walking through them and put their hand against walls when in caves
why the hell do their weapons disappear and re-appear in combat? And you can't even see them when the combat is over, they just magically disappear
I wanna see my guys carry their swords, sheathed or unsheathed, wtf is this crap.
>>334746520
why, do you want to look gay?
This seems like the type of game you would borrow off a friend or get on sale.
Why does this shit look so much worse than Duscae?
>>334744207
That is old footage from October 2015 prebeta build, Tabata in January 2016 stated they had only in Jan 2016 implemented LOD shadows while previously like in that prebeta 2015 build the shadows weren't implemented properly yet
https://youtu.be/hRGwI39dNqg?t=48m32s
Seriously keep up.
>>334744014
>10 FUCKING YEARS
Why do people keep saying this?
>>334746828
What games are you planning to buy this year?
>>334746043
It wasn't even a game 8 years ago, they only even started actually making an actual PS3 build for Versus in 2010.
From 2006-2009 it was just some CG concept trailers.
>>334746740
That's the main character's thing, has been for 10 years.
>>334746857
maybe the huge pre-beta gameplay text is a hint
>>334746197
You can't be afraid of trying new things or you'll only end up doing the same thing forever.
They took the criticism from fans about XIII, and do (you see a GI person say they immediately went into offering solutions to Noctis running out of breath when they pointed it out to the development team) what they can to fix it or replace it with something better while keeping to their vision. It's why I like Tabata, he takes suggestions, but he doesn't change things all the time exactly how fans want. And for a divisive fanbase like this, it's smart. Did you see how many people told him to either get rid of Cidney or change her outfit? It's good to stick to your guns, and he says he doesn't shy away from failure or hard reflection.
>>334744207
They can't you fucking retard. Consoles are garbage, they can't render shadows with high view distance because they are made for poor trailer trash. Want better shadows? Stop being poor
>>334746857
Because that is from unfinished area and in the prebeta
While Duscae was an area they made for people to actually play around in that they mocked up with enough stuff in it
>>334746520
The details on the clothes are fucking awful and ruin them, mite have been okay if not for those
Also use Japanese proxy if you actually plan to buy them
>>334746740
Magic. I like it because having weapons just get pulled from out of nowhere in a cutscene or float on a character's hip or back always looked silly to me.
>>334746945
A meme.
I'm getting tired of ultra faggot characters that look like gay twinks.
>>334747258
>unfinshised area
I thought they played the full fucking game
So did they just give a build to IG that looked like absolute dogshit?
>>334746520
it doesn't fit my a e s t h e t i c t b h
>>334746740
Noctis is a weapon summoner, his entire thing is that he summons weapons and they have magical properties to them, the swords are called phantom swords and they are possessed by the souls of his ancestors, the previous kings of Lucis.
>>334747218
Other games have way better draw distance than that
Thae game has framerate issues, uses dynamic resolution and has shit AA and still can't keep good LOD
>>334747397
>So did they just give a build to IG that looked like absolute dogshit?
it was not the final build. i don't think any of us can say for sure that it will look substantially different in the final game, but it was not the final build. how could it be? they haven't finished it.
>>334747319
how is it silly to see a character's gear/weapons when you're moving around in the world?? it's standard in every action-rpg these days. even traditional rpgs at least render the weapon you're holding
>cut scenes
are supposed to be taken with a grain of salt
>>334747397
Pre-beta implies that the game isn't finished.
>>334747397
No they didn't, they just played an early prebeta version of the first chapter.
The build they played was the pre-beta version.
Duscae is a different section entirely to what the first chapter is.
>>334746857
Duscae was a build they polished up to be marketed with Type-0, this was an at the time unfinished build. The Game Informer people added that pre beta text to spell out it was an old build.
>>334747389
The main problem for me is that all characters from your party are males wearing similar clothes. It looks so bland
>>334747518
none of the characters carry their weapons, they all conveniently LACK weapons...Ignis pulls daggers out of his ass and throws them, and the other don't do shit.
they look so casual and mundane, no weapons no armor, argh this is not Final Fantasy
>>334747693
That's the point though, they are from the same royal organization and so they have that similar color and attire and it's meant to stand out and clash with the fantasy environments they go to, the entire point is culture clash.
>>334747693
yes this!
Plus they don't even wield weapons or wear armor, they look like they're ready to go shopping at the mall, not save the world from anything
>>334747518
Looks even more similar to Gilgamesh now.
>>334746937
>all these reports
>people will have spent more time watching these reports than they will be playing FFXV
>>334747619
>how is it silly to see a character's gear/weapons when you're moving around in the world??
I mean when they just float in place with nothing holding onto them. If they're being held by magnets or something that's fine but most of the time it looks kinda dumb.
>>334747397
They got to play a few hours of chapter 1 on a build that was probably the most stable at the time, and also from before the game became feature-complete. GI were probably warned heavily that it wasn't going to look glamorous, hence the enormous "pre-beta footage" stamp.
Episode Duscae was a comparatively small piece of the game that had some time to be dolled up, and even then it's using an incomplete version of the game engine.
>>334746937
Not even that anon, but posting youtube doesnt help, as the anons small webm doesnt help, because the game looks even worse.
And you post a bullshot video. When the game comes out, it will look nothing like this.
>>334747897
>muh royal organization
>he thinks the writers are in charge of character design, not the marketers and concept artists
you got it backwards, first they design the characters, then they justify it with some blablabla "royals are all emo" back-story
>>334744357
I'd be fine with XV keeping its combat but VIIR not being the original gameplay is scummy bullshit
>>334747920
>I mean when they just float in place with nothing holding onto them
uhhh SHEATHS????????????
this isn't PS1 graphics, im sure they can render a sword sheath, a gun holster, a strap or belt...
lmfao
> If they're being held by magnets or something that's fine but most of the time it looks kinda dumb.
wut? most of the time it looks fine because our graphics these days aren't PS1 graphix
>>334744210
CAN'T YOU HEAR ME YELL-A?
>>334747787
Yes because they are part of Noctis's retinue and can summon their weapons because he extends that power to them, the phantom sword barrier act as armor, they have shields too, they don't need actual armor because of that, and the weapon summoning are weapons, they don't need to be carrying them at all times to be weapons, in FF games on the sprites you only ever see the weapon show up when they attack too, this feels more like a story based approach on that concept
>>334747910
>Plus they don't even wield weapons or wear armor
Much like most people nowadays, especially since this is supposed to be a fantasy based on reality.
>they look like they're ready to go shopping at the mall, not save the world from anything
To be fair, the game doesn't start with them going off to save the world.
>>334748202
>uhhh SHEATHS????????????
That's the problem, most games don't have sheaths of any kind.
>>334747693
The only thing similiar is that the color is black. Gladio wears a jacket with no shirt, Ignis has a leopard print shirt and pretty stylish gloves, Prompto has interesting logos all over his clothes and ostentatious buttons, and Noctis wears a lot of military type clothing.
Plus we know we get different attire during the game.
>>334747910
>Plus they don't even wield weapons
But all of them do, Noctis is literally summoning weapons constantly while the others materialize their weapons thanks to the magic powers.
> or wear armor
And? 90% of FF characters don't wear armor.
>>334744210
I'm still mad
Versus trailers always looked much much better than anything from XV
Dev hell is a terrible thing
>>334748287
>Yes because they are part of Noctis's retinue and can summon their weapons because he extends that power to them
ya, it's a dumb way to keep the characters look modern and mundane. So it can appeal to normies and girls.
>>334747614
>>334747650
>>334747671
>>334747683
I hope the final release will look a lot better, because even for "pre beta" it looks really really bad
>>334745080
>Looks kinda cool at first and all, but SE will find a way to disappoint most of the people in the end.
Sadly, yeah. This is the truth.
>>334748018
Yes it does help because it explains everything.
>>334748430
>But all of them do
temporarily, they dematerialize in combat, and they disappear out of combat.
It's a stupid gimmick to keep the cast look MUNDANE and BORING,.... errr "modern"
>>334748074
Nomura designed the characters and was the base story writer who created the entire games concept and world, what the fuck are you even talking about?
Since 2006 before he even had a name he was set as the prince of Lucis
>>334744357
i'd expect that the majority in the world would want real time but the majority on here would want turn based.
i personally don't mind but i would expect that a fully turn based final fantasy in a to-scale 3d world would feel a bit silly.
>>334748018
>And you post a bullshot video
Did you watch it? It was them explaining that they're implementing LOD now.
>>334748637
Did he died?
>>334748606
>Actually wanting to carry your shit around.
If soldiers had the ability to materialize their shit, they'd do it. It makes sense in the context of the game, not everything is a shortcut to cut cost and keep things simple.
>>334748474
I want under ages out of my board
So since the IG shit is from chapter one and we always see Titan, does that mean Titan will be the first summon? Wasn't he underground in the Duscae demo? The area looked totally different
>>334748606
>they dematerialize in combat, and they disappear out of combat.
What's the difference?
>>334748637
Can you make this a gif friend
>>334748780
>my
>>334748202
Why would they need sheaths when the entire point is that he's a weapon summoner who can control those weapons and use them as a barrier too?
>>334748798
Best guess is that you don't actually get your first summon until around a quarter of the way into the game, but SE had Titan available for GI to use so they could get an idea of how they'd work.
>>334748413
>That's the problem, most games don't have sheaths of any kind.
the answer is for them to render some sheaths or straps, it's not hard. pic related.
or for the consumer to just use their imagination...when i see a sword hanging on a guys hip I don't need to see the strap, i assume it's there. not a big deal.
the answer isn't to make weapons de-materialize and disappear completely
>>334748474
Why? They are from a modern kingdom and the entire point is that they are modern while traveling through the progressively more fantasy style world.
>>334748970
>Those lightning fast broadsword swings
I'm glad they slowed that shit down, broadsword feels really good with how heavy and slow it is in the plat demo.
>>334744014
It's about time this fucking game is coming out holy hell
>>334749003
>the answer isn't to make weapons de-materialize and disappear completely
Why not?
>>334749003
That's the whole point of the combat though, since the very first V13 trailer
It's not like they can't do sheeaths or something
But Noctis can wield like 10 swords at once do you want him to be a walking sheath?
>>334747897
I understand the context behind it, but it doesn't change the fact that the party looks so unappealing. The point of having a unique and/or attractive character design in a game is to pick the players interest and make them want to play the game so that they can get to know those characters better, and in my opinion the cast in FFXV doesn't really evoke this sensation. It just evokes a kind of ''okay'' feeling.
>>334748606
I'm not really sure why you are trying to say, they ARE modern characters from a modern city, and they are ventuing out into the outer world which is less developed than their home city, with the world teaming with monsters and getting more and more fantastical the further they go from their home city.
The entire point is that they stick out and contrast with their environment, they have no need to be carrying weapons at all times when they have the magic to be able to summon them.
>>334749219
Because he doesn't like it. That's literally it.
>>334748637
Request for gif pls
>>334744357
Do what you want with XV, make it real time or don't
Keep VII turn based and just tweak it like they already did with the FFIV and Romancing SaGa remakes
>>334749003
>the answer isn't to make weapons de-materialize and disappear completely
It is when the main character's powers were designed around that back in 2006.
>>334748970
>hmmm how can we maintain XV's femboy fashion look? weapons and armor ruin the boy-band look....
>how about we make them weapon summoners??
>done!
>how come they're all wearing mundane black clothes? isn't that kinda boring, like they have no personality?
>ehh, just say it's how royals dress or something....
>done!
>>334749097
I hate it
Makes Noct feel really weak
It's like he can't swing fast enough
In a series where the most famous protagonist swings the buster sword around as fast as a dagger it looks really lackluster
>>334749314
It's people being overly picky on the Internet. I think I saw one guy on a video say repeated dialogue turns him off and implied he expected Square to male it so they had enough dialogue amongst the bros that it never repeated.
His friends rightly chuckled at him.
>>334748904
>>334749391
>having an iPhone
>>334749003
>the answer is for them to render some sheaths or straps, it's not hard. pic related.
But why would they need to when the entire point is that the magic is granting them WEAPON SUMMONING, that is literally what the entire point of the weapons are in XV, summoned weapons which are possessed by the souls of the fallen kings of Lucis, the ancestors of the MC
>>334744684
bahamut will probably have a spray tan and frosted tips to fit in with the boy band theme
>>334745175
She'd look hotter in a jumpsuit.
>>334749529
>repeated dialogue turns him offWolves hunt in packs!
>>334749507
Noctis is a skinny fuckboi who has to use magic to really do anything, he's not an experimental super soldier like Clod.
However, by the end of the game where Noctis IS a demigod, it will grate on my nerves when he still swings greatswords the same way. I'd rather them look like they have actual weight though.
Though I'm a MH player so I like my weapons slow and methodical.
>>334746945
Because it's just the truth. This game is SO ambitious that if it fails it will be even more years of shitposting. It will never stop.
So it gotta be pretty damn good.
>>334749507
Cloud is a supersoldier enhanced body who was in military, Noctis is a sheltered prince who only had some training from Gladio who was in military.
![FFXV IG New2.mp4_snapshot_02.57_[2016.04.19_01.04.03].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nbxv8yz.jpg "FFXV IG New2.mp4 snapshot 02.57 [2016.04.19 01.04.03]")
>>334749563
Thanks amigo
>>334749610
he can be a weapon summoner and also wield weapons.
even pure summoners in final fantasy hold staves for fucks sake.
the reason they don't carry any weapons is to maintain the boy-band aesthetic, not cause they are "weapon summoners"
the reason they all wear black, is to maintain the boy-band aesthetic, not because "they are royals"
all the shit you're saying is secondary and meaningless
>>334749504
Except the weapon summoning was there since 2006 before we ever saw him doing anything but sitting on a throne, walking outside then summoning his swords while they deflected bullets from soldiers shooting at him.
>>334749947
>Entire argument boils down to muh boyband
It's clear you won't listen to anything that disagrees with your memepinion.
>>334749563
He'sPromptoast
>>334749810
Looks easy. How would you make her hotter, /v/?
>>334749985
>Except the weapon summoning was there since 2006
irrelevant.
you can be a summoner and still carry weapons. weapons could even "enhance" your summoning powers.
he could wield a weapon and then use his power to duplicate it, summon more of it, transmorgify it, or whatever.
NONE of the characters wield weapons because they want to maintain the "boy-band" going on a "road-trip" aesthetic.
Being a summoner doesn't prevent you from carrying weapons. Summoners in FF carry weapons.
The idea to make them all weaponless was a huge marketing idea, not based on "game mechanics"
>>334750231
Have you thought on suicide?
>>334750231
Not him but why is this even an issue? So they had them materialize weapons with magic, so fucking what?
>>334750231
You're such an angry faggot over something so minor when characters have been pulling there weapons from the aether since forever, and finally they're actually explaining why.
Thankfully, as the song goes, suicide is painless.
>>334750231
You're right
You win
>>334749947
>he can be a weapon summoner and also wield weapons.
But he is wielding weapons, that's what he's doing when he summons them and uses them, literally wielding them.
>even pure summoners in final fantasy hold staves for fucks sake.
And? So does Luna who wields one which doubles as a Trident.
>the reason they don't carry any weapons is to maintain the boy-band aesthetic
No because the weapon summoning was set in stone since 2006 before anything of their character or even their designs were finalized, even before he had a name it was literally the first thing we ever saw Noctis do back in 2006, he got up from his throne, walked outside then summoned his swords whilesoldiers were shooting at him, while the text on display talked about a lone kingdom protected by ancient kings protecting their crystal from outsiders, the swords themselves are possessed by the ancient kings of Lucis and Noctis's ancestors which is why he summons his swords, we saw him do it before ANY other character was revealed too.
>>334744192
I wish I didn't understand this post. It's so true. Both are so battered and beaten into the ground they're virtually unrecognizable.
>>334749776
>>334749786
Unless they changed this, and Tabata probably did because XV isn't FNC anymore, Noctis was blessed by Etro and has magic powers gifted to him
The last time Etro blessed someone and geve them divine powers she ended up fighting the strongest villain in the series to a stand-still for several centuries
Noct should be that strong from the moment the game starts
>>334750441
> So they had them materialize weapons with magic, so fucking what?
that's not the problem
The problem is using that as an excuse to make all the characters weaponless.
They made the characters weaponless to make them appeal to a bigger, normie, audience who are turned off by seeing fantasy stuff.
It's a watering down of the genre.
>>334750231
You are a fucking RETARD. How autistic can /v/ get ?
>>334749430
I hope he's able to have a good long rest after this.
>>334750579
>>334744192
>http://archive.is/3MthE
What kind of faggot suddenly doesn't like The Simpsons just because it's THE CURRENT YEAR? I love The Simpsons. I just don't like them beyond season 10.
>>334750651
What's the point of always having one weapon if you can summon others or even multiple, what would he do with his weapon if he wants to summon a huge ass sword?
>>334750594
There's a difference between giving a person your blessing and a bit of power, and making someone your God-champion right hand warrior.
>>334750736
Forever
>>334750231
>irrelevant.
How?
>you can be a summoner and still carry weapons
He's a weapon summoner, there is no point to carry weapons when he literally materializes them with magic.
>he could wield a weapon and then use his power to duplicate it, summon more of it, transmorgify it, or whatever.
Why do that when he can just summon his weapons?
>NONE of the characters wield weapons because they want to maintain the "boy-band" going on a "road-trip" aesthetic.
This makes no sense since the weapon summoning was set in stone before any other character besides Noctis was even revealed and before he was even a written character, the first thing they ever nailed down for this game was the lore and backstory of Lucis royalty and that is that they have the last crystal, they are a modern city, Noctis is the prince and he has the ability to summon weapons which are possessed by the souls of the fallen kings of Lucis
That was BEFORE anything else about the game was done including character personality or the main story itself
>Being a summoner doesn't prevent you from carrying weapons. Summoners in FF carry weapons.
Okay and? Luna does too.
>>334744207
It's fucking pre-beta retard
>>334750651
Christ dude, check your autism
>>334750539
>But he is wielding weapons, that's what he's doing when he summons them and uses them, literally wielding them.
they don't persist outside of combat, hell even during combat they just disappear....can't have these characters look too "fantasy" I guess.
>And? So
I could excuse the "all black boy-band" look if they at least carried some badass weapons with them, to counter the mundane look.
>>334750862
Nah, I realize that as much flack and pomp this game is getting, he's still a person and he looks dog tired.
>>334750594
That is just the Astral power he has.
Where are their weapons?
>>334750651
>The problem is using that as an excuse to make all the characters weaponless.
How? It was something that was done before anything else in the game was, before we even saw any other character.
>They made the characters weaponless to make them appeal to a bigger, normie, audience who are turned off by seeing fantasy stuff.
Right that's why the first trailer is him summoning weapons and using them to teleport and deflect bullets by using the spinny magic swords as a barrier
>>334750967
>they don't persist outside of combat
That never happens in FF games, even in XIII only Lightning and Sazh have places to store their weapons. At least there's a canonical reason for it in XV.
>>334750651
What the fuck.
>>334750759
>What's the point of always having one weapon if you can summon others or even multiple
to look badass.
to have it with you at all times .
to use it as a backup weapon if you run outta mana or your powers get fucked up.
to enhance your powers -- news flash: magic weapons make your characters more powerful in FF!!!!!
>what would he do with his weapon if he wants to summon a huge ass sword?
How about he summons a cool sword, and also carries it around and it doesn't disappear, until he summons another one, and then he holds onto that one?
Does he summon weapons for his buddies? So they are totally helpless if something happens to him or his powers? lmfao
>>334751057
they aren't using them so they can maintain their boyband aesthetic
>literally no weapon
How strong is Noctis? Can he cut air with his hands?
>>334750967
>they don't persist outside of combat
And? They are still always with him.
> hell even during combat they just disappear....can't have these characters look too "fantasy" I guess.
The fuck are you even talking about? He's a weapon summoner, he summons one weapon to use them then after using them they go back to the barrier
> could excuse the "all black boy-band" look if they at least carried some badass weapons with them,
Seriously you are just autistic, they are summoning weapons and have no need to carry them.
>>334750813
>>334751019
>implying Etro knows the difference
Also now that I think about it Noct has a different interpretation of a XIII plot element, the Eyes of Etro
In the XIII saga Yuel is made in Etro's image snd has the Eyes of Etro, she can see the future but dies young
In VsXIII and probably XV because of things Tabata said Noct has them too, can see the death of others but ages rapidly
Or he has fantasy FOXDIE
>Noct ages rapidly and Luna ends up marrying Prompto
>>334751057
Well you see they are a boyband so they can't have weapons shown.
>people want the shitty boring time-consuming ball-numbing dull lifeless bad combat from VII in the Remake
>people want the god-awful nigh unreadable translation again
>people get pissed at even the tiniest of fucking changes, like Barret's gun having a slightly more apparent sleeve to hold it to his arm, even though everything seems 99.99999% incredibly faithful
>yet even with this retarded need for perfect 1-to-1 accuracy (even though most of the shit they want is just what they envisioned in their head from the shitty graphics twenty fucking years ago)- they want it all in one game
>they want the massive scale of FFVII that took like 100 people in 1997 to be made with modern standards with no cut content for $60
>when told that's an impossibility and fucking ridiculous to ask when games can easily take hundreds upon hundreds of devs in 2016 and years to make (aka more than fucking TWO which VII took originally), they bitch and moan and yell "jewwwwwwwwwwwwwwsssssssssssssssssss"
VII fans are truly an abomination that should be wiped from the earth.
>>334750967
Why would they have to though? Think about it, having materializing weapons is a huge advantage. The ultimate concealed weapon, and you don't ever have to worry about dropping them, or leaving them behind.
Besides, the fact that the weapons ARE magic runs counter to your argument. Having a physical weapon would in fact, be more mundane.
I'll be honest with you, one of the worst feelings in Xenoblade for me was getting more powerful armor/weapons, equipping them, and realizing my characters now looked like complete idiots
>>334751272
So you hate the whole look of the characters, but a weapon would make them badass?
They do have their weapon with them all the time. Compared to magic it does not cost mana, it's a bloodline thing, if he's alive he has weapons.
And they'll also make him stronger in this game, you'll find stronger weapons in this game.
You're overthinking this shit a bit too much. You might as ask yourself where the 99 potions and 500 weapons of earlier FF characters are stored and why they don't have a huge caravan behind them
>>334751272
>to look badass.
How is holding one sword less badass than being able to summon multiple swords and aim them at your opponent through magic use?
>to have it with you at all times .
The weapons are with him at all times, visibly materialized or not.
>to use it as a backup weapon if you run outta mana or your powers get fucked up.
He has multiple weapons and there is sub weapons, as well as him using magic and a bunch of other shit
>to enhance your powers -- news flash: magic weapons make your characters more powerful in FF!!!!!
Yeah and he uses magic weapons\
>How about he summons a cool sword, and also carries it around and it doesn't disappear, until he summons another one, and then he holds onto that one?
For what purpose when he can summon any sword at any time regardless of situation?
>Does he summon weapons for his buddies?
No he extends the materialize ability to them, they all only use one weapon each that you equip them.
> So they are totally helpless if something happens to him or his powers? lmfao
Yes that is the entire point, he is the prince, the royal line of Lucis is him and his father, both of them extend their powers to others to use and if they are both to die then those powers are gone, the people with Noctis are his bodyguard who is military, his strategist and a close friend who just uses guns and tech weapons, as well as a military general who joins them on occasion,
>>334751537
why does the weapon have to disappear after it is summoned? If it's a good weapon why not just hold onto it, and if you need to summon a different weapon then summon a different weapon. Why be weaponless? To maintain their boyband look, that's why.
And if he can't constantly maintain a summoned weapon then it would make sense to have a real backup weapon that doesn't depend on summoning.
And do his friends depend on his summoned weapons? Are they all weapon summoners? Or are they are useless if Noctis gets fucked up or lost?
>>334751635
Keke.
Ultimate weapons looking fucking retarded 90% of the time is a problem in JRPGs, so maybe having weapons only appear during attacks won't be so bad.
I mean, honestly think about Noctis running around with the basic broadsword on his back, it's longer and wider than he is, you wouldn't even be able to see him, it would look like a floating sword.
>>334751512
tl;dr version
>I like getting mad over a reimagining of a game I never liked in the first place
>>334748482
Pre-Beta is clearly after alpha. And, sorry to break it for you, but after alpha everything is closed. Nothing is added, nothing is changed. It's a full game. Only bugfixing from that point on.
>people spend the entire thread responding to one incredibly, INCREDIBLY obvious shitposter
>>334750739
DELETE THIS
>>334751721
>you'll find stronger weapons in this game.
how are you gonna "find stronger weapons" when he is weaponless and summons his shit?
It would be cool if he had a weapon that improves his power, that he uses as a backup, like a dagger or gunblade or something.
What's annoying is all the characters follow the same style, there's no variety in your core group. Uhhh
>>334751857
tl;dr version
>i'm a huge faggot and don't know how to read
sorry you're so stupid you take bad translations as character accuracy, and you get pissed when companies aren't willing to lose tons of money to give you a giant fucking game in one package.
>>334751876
I broke my leg 2 days ago i have nothing better to do
>>334751980
But one of them is a heavy hitting tank guy, one of them is a distance and AOE guy and one of them can heal and buff and you're the usual jack of all trades
>>334752016
Get better soon, anon-kun.
>>334751980
>how are you gonna "find stronger weapons" when he is weaponless
When he finds a new weapon he can basically add it to his 'set' of weapons he can summon.
>>334744192
This.
>>334750651
Is this for real ?
>>334752016
>tfw summons will ALWAYS be overkill in 15
>tfw you'll never be able to use one without feeling like a casual for using a win button
FUCK
>>334751272
Noctis's arsenal doesn't run on MP, if you want to masturbate to the idea of sword sheaths and gun holsters to the point where this alternate means of weaponry is literally triggering you then go look up pics online instead of expecting them to forgo established character design to pander to you
>be weapon summoner
>all your bodyguards are weaponless
>they all walk around in normal clothes
>no visible guns, or swords on them
who thought of this shit?
>>334751806
Their entire nation summons weapons. They have the last crystal in the world, while everyone else is mostly limited to technology or magitek.
>>334744014
>Spend 10 years on this crapfest
>the FFIX port has 0 time spent on it.
>They didn't even bother to filter the backgrounds correctly, or even compress the audio right.
>mobile version's menus
SE might have seemed like they were coming back, but they've proved they can not be trusted.
Burn it down.
>>334751806
Why does he need to hold onto it? He summoned it, he used it, then it's dematerialized, if he needs it again he will just materialize it again, he isn't weaponless, he always has his weapons with him and objectively has more weapons on him alone than any other FF entire party really.
You already had your argument wrecked because the weapon summoning was the first thing we ever saw him do before anything about the actual story was revealed, 2 years before any other character was shown, 2 years before we even knew his name.
>And if he can't constantly maintain a summoned weapon then it would make sense to have a real backup weapon that doesn't depend on summoning.
But he can always summon his weapons, that's the point, it is a bloodline ability he has and the weapons are tied to his family line itself, literally they are possessed by the souls of his ancestors, the fallen kings of Lucis, the entire point of Lucis's armed forces is that they use the magic from the royal line extended to them, for the royal line they are actual weapon summoners who can summon any and all weapons, while the powers they extend have those people be able to use one weapon, the entire point is that those armed forces are there to protect the royal line through the use of those sword abilities, it's an actual fucking lore based reason for why no one needs to carry their weapons because they have the ability to summon them at will
>>334752331
>Mfw that anon is never able to have unprotected sex as he gets off on the idea of condoms being a cock sheathe and always has one on.
>>334752331
>established character design
>he HAS to look like he's in a boyband at ALL TIMES!
lmfao, even when he summons a weapon it disappears after like one or two strikes. The marketers really wanted to get rid of weapons in this game for some reason
>>334751863
No, after beta everything in closed and its debug and optimisation stage, during alpha everything is constantly changed and can and will change, beta is bugfixing and optimization stage. They've been in Beta stage since December 2015, prior to that they were in pre-Beta stage, prior to that was Alpha stage.
>be bodyguard to a prince
>be weaponless
HELP NOCTIS I HAVE NO WEAPON, SUMMON ONE FOR ME OR ELSE I CAN"T PROTECT U!!!
>KH3 was relegated to a B-team because of this garbage
I hope it crashes and burns
>>334752538
>lmfao, even when he summons a weapon it disappears after like one or two strikes.
Yes, and? same thing happens here >>334751057
They attack and then the weapon is gone.
>>334752512
WHY IS MY DICK NOT ALWAYS HARD THOUGH?
WHY DO I NEED TO STORE IT AWAY?
I WANT TO LOOK BADASS
>>334751980
>how are you gonna "find stronger weapons" when he is weaponless and summons his shit?
Are you really this autistic?
>>334744192
The Simpsons is the same characters in the same setting doing the same thing for years. Final fantasy games are totally different every time apart from a few key themes and elements, the main problem with a lot of recent entries in the series is that they've been TOO different.
>>334752805
Are you really still responding?
>>334752714
>>334752332
You can try to make it less obvious
>>334752714
I thought you were supposed to be intelligent?
>>334752282
Summons don't kill enemies straight away, in ED they just modified the damage that Ramuh does
>>334744357
If you do it open world, you should do it real time, too, but I liked FFX combat because it was the deepest of any main FF.
>>334752805
>He doesn't need weapons he is the weapon!
>Of course he will find powerful weapons in the world
kek
keep contradicting yourself
>>334752332
Why are you samefagging?
>>334752538
>>334752714
Oh hey Sheath guy trying to act like he's not alone in missing the idea completely
>>334752938
Shiva better be sexy as fuck in this one
Sheathe-kun is still going huh?
>>334752983
>If you do it open world, you should do it real time, too
why?
>>334752282
Ramuh was buffed and altered for Duscae
>>334747787
like FF7
This weirdo actually increased my interest in XV a bit by making me aware of this small nod to a visual peculiarity of all the older games.
remember when FF used to be good?
>>334752538
>>he HAS to look like he's in a boyband at ALL TIMES!
But again it was explained you that he's had these abilities since day 1 he was revealed before he even had a name or a finalized design or even any of the other characters were shown, the only thing we saw him do was summon the weapons and the only thing we knew about him was that he was a prince who could only do that because of powers unique to his family, that his family has the last crystal in the world and that the phantom swords are possessed by the souls of his ancestors, and this was in a fucking CGI trailer, what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>334753293
Yeah FF6 was amazing
>>334746857
Beausr duscae was 12 fps
>>334752714
Ok at least make it less obvious.
Why does this game attract so many autists, both for and against it?
>>334752990
Dude what? He adds weapons to his arsenal, no shit he can find more weapons.
Where does Tidus store his 50 swords ?
Where does Lulue store her 200 puppets?
>>334750231
>"boy-band" going on a "road-trip" aesthetic.
I just need the music video.
bye-bye-bye with a giant adamantoise in the background. god, fuck this game
>>334748606
This guy is legit autistic.
>>334753172
In my opinion it totally breaks immersion, this was acceptable 20 years ago, but it is not now.
>>334753315
>he's had these abilities since day 1
you can be a summoner and still wield a weapon, #1 as a backup, #2 as a power enhancer, like staves on wizards.
They clearly wanted to go for the "weaponless" look, boy-bands don't walk around with big guns or swords.
>>334753541
https://youtu.be/2-BPoIW2jdQ
>>334751057
where's the boy band?
>>334753531
Lulu's gap.
>>334753460
It's the same with every degenerate weebtrash 'game'.
>>334748438
Uncovered was better Nomurafag
>>334753293
FF9 sucked balls
Kid Sephiroth in a Thong wasn't even the villain
>Own every main Final Fantasy game and a few spin offs
>Never beat a single one
Should I start at 1? People keep telling me to start with 4.
>>334753894
If you want to start with a 2d one I'd start with 4 or 6
If you want to start with 3d start with 7 or 8
![final_fantasy_xv_-_event_trailer_-_full_length_-_all_plat_-_rev_-_3-28-2016_-_1080_-_hd.mov_snapshot_00.18_[2016.04.04_01.57.36].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sjAxIpD.jpg "final fantasy xv - event trailer - full length - all plat - rev - 3-28-2016 - 1080 - hd.mov snapshot 00.18 [2016.04.04 01.57.36]")
>>334753636
He's a weapon summoner, he has no need to have weapons physically materialized at all times when he can, again get this, materialize them, fucking mind blowing right?
He doesn't need back up because he fucking materializes everything, that is the entire point.
>#2 as a power enhancer, like staves on wizards.
But again all his weapons are what he materializes, what is equipped gives him those enhancements anyway
>They clearly wanted to go for the "weaponless" look, boy-bands don't walk around with big guns or swords.
No, this was already explained to you here>>334753315
Luna is a regular summoner in XV and has no weapon summoning magic, she holds her staff/Trident, fucking kill yourself already.
>>334753636
ehh I can accept the MC being weaponless, it's a neat idea, but his entourage should be more diverse and not the same as him. Gladio should carry a big gun or sword or something different to set him apart
kinda boring how they're all the same, they even dress the same, and ya they're all weaponless kinda boring
>>334744192
only 90s kids will get final fantasy
>>334752282
I imagine it's like using Summons in a normal FF. So, you do a decent amount of dadmage, but they generally can't OHKO enemies unless they're cannon fodder from the earlier parts of the game.
>>334753460
FF is the only JRPG westaboos are aware of, so they feel like they can shitpost in these threads
A lot of other JRPG fans want FF gone because they think their niche franchise will become more popular
And then you have the FFandom which has always been divided
I don't know about you guys, but I'm a little sick of RPGs where the pretentious pretty boys fight for love and friendship, and every other minute there's a cutscene about character drama. I can't even name a JRPG this gen that wasn't about that, and if I could, it'd usually be one of the average ones that don't do much to make themselves good.
It's a sad sign of the times when pretentious games like Undertale are actually LESS annoying than games like Xenoblade, or Final Fantasy.
>>334753692
the concept of these characters is cool, the problem is the realistic look. If they were kept cartoony/anime it would be fine, they look like Gantz characters.
but when you make anime guys look too realistic it looks like this...
>>334754149
Thanks for the advice
Clearly it was the boyband look they wanted to maintain being why no one in FF4 has weapons on them
>>334754149
FFXV is ultimately the story of a sheltered prince growing and accepting his responsibility as king, that's going to be Noctis's main character development.
>>334752282
That was just in ED, and every FF demo has super OP summons.
>>334753974
>He doesn't need back up because he fucking materializes everything, that is the entire point.
if they wanted to the could make up 59 different reasons to justify a backup weapon.
he can still wield a backup weapon to boost his powers...is he literally a perfect God from the beginning, and his powers never fail and are perfect at all times? give me a break.
if they wanted to they could have many reasons to have back up weapons, and weapons that boost your powers. But they didn't cause they want the weaponless look, that's the #1 important thing to them for some reason. Even during fights the weapons constantly disappear, they really can't stand weapons for some reason
The beta was awful, worse combat ive seen in any game in a long time.
>FF game
>no weapons
>>334754581
Yeah the weaponless boyband look is what they were going for in FF1
>>334753579
oh ok, I don't have a problem with immersing myself
I'd rather have a battle system without A.I. controlled allies tbqh
real time is only good for me in games with one character and no party members
>>334754725
Yeah where are the weapons? FF5 just wanted that boyband look.
What is this series really about? Be honest.
>>334755012
Adventure.
>>334755012
Crystals or some shit, I dunno.
>>334755012
it's about honesty
>>334754757
they don't look like a boyband, there's a girl with them, and they all look cool as fuck.
weaponless cause of graphic restrictions
>>334754149
>Xenoblade
>annoying
this is bait
>>334753170
>>334754952
>>334754757
>>334754264
You're as bad as sheathe fag.
>>334755132
>there's a girl with them
White mage isn't a girl, it's a jobclass, FF1 was all male.
>weaponless cause of graphic restrictions
Oh is that why the goblins in the same fucking screenshot are all holding weapons?
>>334755226
sheath guy has a point though. this isn't the 80s, they could at least render some weapons for them to carry around
>>334752282
Summons don't work the same way, they decide what conditions they come out with, and can tell you to fuck off if they want as well.
But they also have as yet undisclosed method of summoning indoors, and can give you a fraction of their power under certain conditions.
So no, no easy button all the time, because a lot of things can survive their attacks.
>>334754581
>is he literally a perfect God from the beginning, and his powers never fail and are perfect at all times
His royal family's bloodline literally has murals, legends, and other forms of propaganda that paint their lineage as being chosen by the gods.
>>334755132
>weaponless cause of graphic restrictions
That's from the PSP version you know, I'm sure it was entirely possible for them to be holding weaapons.
>>334755249
>Oh is that why the goblins in the same fucking screenshot are all holding weapons?
because the characters change weapons throughout the game, rendering dozens of different weapons, on different classes, is different than the goblin shit
>>334755327
Never mind that this >>334754757 is from the remake on PSP and shows Goblins holding weapons in the same screenshot as the party who aren't.
>>334746857
>PRE-BETA GAMEPLAY
Gee I wonder.
>>334751057
DELETE THIS
>>334744207
I can't wait to run like a faggot!
>>334755460
So if they are able to show the weapons when they attack why can't they do the same for them just holding it normally, even though that is the PSP remake? Face it your argument fell apart when everyone called you an autist the first time
>>334755634
Why? I'm sure you already do.
>>334755634
I'm sure you've already done that more than enough
>>334754206
that movie never existed anon
I refuse to believe it
>>334755634
But you already do.
>>334755327
He really doesn't. The way it works was already described. There is no sense just making them unsheath actual weapons when the lore works that way. Regis doesn't either, and he looks badass both in the anime, and in the movie.
>>334755212
GBA remake, there is no excuse.
>>334755695
wow, that was insensitive
anon might be a cripple and just wants to run >:^(
Have they announced when the second episode of Brotherhood is coming out yet?
Lightning had a sheath, FF13 confirmed for best Final Fantasy.
>>334746197
XIII has been the only bad FF I've played.(excluding original XIV) They're generally all quality JRPGs with AAA budgets. That's why people like them & will continue to by them until SE stops making them.
>>334755367
>His royal family's bloodline literally has murals, legends, and other forms of propaganda that paint their lineage as being chosen by the gods
that has nothing to do with my point. If they wanted to have the character carry a weapon they could've done so easily and it would make sense even as a weapon summoner.
is the MC an infallible God whose summoning powers can't be improved?? can't ever fail or be disrupted by others? Carrying a weapon for backup or powering up purposes makes perfect sense, unless the character is a perfect God who can't be improved.
>>334755327
>sheath guy has a point though
Nice try Sheath-kun.
>>334755879
Episode 2 in June, then episode 3 in July, episode 4 in August then 5th and final episode in September, then the game releases September 30th, the Brotherhood disc that comes with UCE comes with some extra deleted scenes from the anime though.
>>334755386
>psp version
faithful reproduction of original...things have changed since then
>>334755946
He picks up other physical weapons in the Duscae demo, and "adds them to his deck" so to speak.
>>334753835
Yeah but he was a great source for trap hentai.
>>334755946
Holy fuck dude take your meds
>>334755189
>implying listening to THE TRUE POWER OF LE MONADO for 10 hours is pleasant
>>334755946
>. If they wanted to have the character carry a weapon they could've done so easily and it would make sense even as a weapon summoner.
Are you incapable of basic logic? A weapon summon has no need to carry weapons, because they can summon them.
>is the MC an infallible God whose summoning powers can't be improved??
He adds more weapons to his arsenal, more weapons means more abilities, more different magic traits he can gain, again just from being in his arsenal.
> can't ever fail or be disrupted by others?
No and even if he had a physical "sheath" he wouldn't either.
>Carrying a weapon for backup or powering up purposes makes perfect sense
No it doesn't, at all, because he can put weapons in his arsenal for powerups, he has literlaly no fucking need for backup anything because his weapon summoning is a bloodline ability, he always has it.
Jesus fucking christ why does it need 30 fucking people to explain this simple shit to you?
>>334756235
is the MC an infallible God whose summoning powers can't be improved?? can't ever fail or be disrupted by others? Carrying a weapon for backup or powering up purposes makes perfect sense, unless the character is a perfect God who can't be improved.
>>334744014
>10 years
When will this 10 year meme fucking die. The game didn't start development until 2012
>>334756093
Where are his potions and materia?
Jesus Christ, XV threads really bring out the autists on this board.
>>334756325
The autism is too much.
>>334756280
WHAT A BUNCH OF JOKAS
>>334756452
XV-kun
Kagari
BTFO-kun
Geography-kun
NPC-kun
Now Sheath-kun
so the guy who's complaining about the lack of sheathing/carrying weapons is autistic by virtue of his excessive persistence
BUT
you guys who are all arguing against him are also autistic.
people have been fantasising about seeing the characters in FF games carry around weapons and wear different armours for years. it's one of the reasons xenoblade was so cool. it's obviously a desirable feature and it is kind of annoying that they just handwaved it away with this dematerialisation bollocks.
i don't think it has anything to do with a 'boyband aesthetic' though. just makes it a lot easier to have consistent quality in animations.
>>334756659
It's entirely a lore reason that is 1: set up in the first trailer before we knew anything else about the game and 2: characters from other kingdoms in FFXV wear armor and hold physical weapons
The entire point is that it's weapon summoning kingdom from modern society fighting against classical medieval style kingdom who physically hold their weapons and wear armor and have armored knights
>>334756093
Where is Cloud's weapon when he isn't fighting?
>>334756659
>it's obviously a desirable feature and it is kind of annoying that they just handwaved it away with this dematerialisation bollocks.
it's 2016.
we weaponless now
>>334756925
I think it really is time you took your meds.
>>334756910
>Where is Cloud's weapon when he isn't fighting?
use your imagination
>>334749563
>>334748637
I laughed because it reminded me of this
>>334756353
Yeah but Versus XIII's development still counts somewhat even if things from back then are different now.
why did they make all the core crew weaponless? It's like they aren't allowed to have fun or variety anymore...Would be cool if one guy was a rebel and said fuck it, I'm gonna carry a big gun or something
>>334745732
looks like a fuckboi
>>334756925
Yeah they just want that weaponless boyband look like FF6.
>>334750651
>>334750231
I don't usually throw out the word autism on here but Jesus Christ dude. Calm your fucking autism
>>334757228
because weapons wouldn't fit in their Audi. would be too awkward.
>>334756561
Geography?
And XV-kun is the same as BTFOfag.
>>334757228
You aren't even creative with your samefagging, like you even repeated the same thing you said before about carrying a "big gun".
>>334757293
>ff6 looks like a boyband
nah, they all looked different and even had females and monster characters.
XV just has 4 faggots in all black with super-stylized hair
>>334757108
God what were they thinking...
>>334757402
you didn't answer the question. there's never been an FF where the core crew was all the same, dressed the same and had the same weapons (or lack of weapons)
#rekt
so... how longer will it be delayed so it can be compatible with PS4K?
>play FFVII as a kid in 1998
>wow, the buster sword looks so cool
>all his other swords look like ass in comparison
>his ultimate weapon is a popsickle
>morph enemies into power sources until str is 255 so I can keep using the buster sword
>>334757596
It's compatible with the PS4k to begin with
>>334756840
>>334756925
we all understand that there is a lore justification but it invariably is going to feel like an excuse and i think if you weren't fixated on defending the game you would realise that. not only do we not get carried weapons, we don't get visible armour. it's a missed opportunity for game that is supposed to refresh the series.
>>334757357
Someone saying the mountains of the world map wouldn't form like that naturally or something.
>>334757293
this looks like a boyband to you? kek
XV is the boy band
>>334757357
No BTFO-kun was a guy who got BTFO in this thread https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/333263192/#333271832
XV-kun is XV-kun.
BTFO-kun is this guy
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/333263192/#333271413
who got BTFO by this post
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/333263192/#333271832
>>334757829
Who is the guy that talked about the monster fluctuation?
>>334757726
> not only do we not get carried weapons, we don't get visible armour. it's a missed opportunity for game that is supposed to refresh the series.
carried weapons and armor would really improve the look of the main characters imo.
If I could hide Prompto and Noctis in a suit of armor, or ninja outfit I could bear looking at them.
>>334757746
I think he was being sarcastic m80.
>>334757829
I was talking about the faggot that spams "BTFO" everywhere and even misuses it for that webm. XV-kun was spamming the word last thread as well.
>>334757531
First of all they are all wearing different actual clothes, second of all they are all wearing black because they are from the same royal organisation, thirdly they all have weapons and Noctis is a weapon summoner, thus he has countless weapons on him which he can summon, and they all use different weapons, Prompto uses guns and pile bunkers because he's a gunner, Gladio uses great swords and otherwise melee combat because he's a mix of monk and gladiator, Ignis uses magic spells along with daggers and lances whereas he's mainly a mage, Cor uses a katana because he's a samurai and military general, Luna uses a Trident as her staff since she is a summoner, Noctis and Regis both can use all weapons plus all phantom swords since they are Lucis royalty and the phantom weapons are possesed by the souls of Lucis's former kings.
I'm not even sure why you are so triggered by this, they all use weapons and as per the lore of how the sword summoning works he can summon it in any situation so he doesn't always need to hold onto a weapon physically, because he can summon them
>>334757726
It really isn't a missed anything and it's always been this way for Lucis characters because that is the entire fucking point of them.
>mfw Tabata's goal is to surpass 7 with XV
>mfw 4 backstreet boys, in all black, driving an Audi
>mfw none wear weapons or armor
>mfw action-rpg teleport fighting
>mfw they leveled up after "stargazing" and making a campfire
>mfw this is a road-trip simulator
>>334757746
I guess you just hopped into the thread, but aside from that considering you can make your party be Locke, Setzer, Edgar, Sabin and Gau yes that would be a boyband.
>>334758252
>guns
>bows
>Swords
>daggers
>Girls and Boys
that's already more variety than XV
>>334758383
this whole argument is one great big is/ought fallacy. it's teleological. we are not arguing that the same royal organisation should or should not wear the same clothes. we are arguing that the designers of the game should not manufacture a world in which all the main characters wear the same clothes and pull swords out of their ass. we don't want that game. we want the one where you can tell your characters to run around with y-fronts and a fuckoff big metal hammer. use your critical faculties.
>>334758793
>we
>>334758671
>you can
>you have the option
that's a big difference already^
>locke, setz, edgar, sabin, gau
look nothing like a boy band btw. they don't color co-ordinate their matching outfits like in XV
>>334758793
>we
>>334758489
you calling 'sheath-kun' autistic is looking quite hypocritical at this point. Lucis doesn't actually exist, anon. it's 'always been this way' in the sense that the game developers said it was this way and for some reason you are treating their word as immutable and fundamentally correct.
>>334758793
>makes a good point
>>334758894
>XV drone green texts nothing
>no response
>>334751806
Well trolled, senpai.
>>334758614
>>334758614
>tumblr
Oh god you were that shitposter from the last thread? Holy fuck it all makes sense now.
>>334758996
>makes a good point
>>334758996
No, i'm just not his opinion. But i respect his opinion nonetheless
>>334758720
How when Noctis has all those weapons on him at once plus more?
Defend this. Please someone defend this.
>B-but, it makes sense within the confines of the story!
If the story bottlenecks the entire main playable cast into looking like a bunch of faggy boyband rejects from the early 2000's then I'm afraid the story itself needs to be changed. That doesn't excuse it.
>>334758793
>we
Yeah nah go kill yourself.
>>334758996
Just no.
>You will never cruise the US in a Cadillac with the top down
why live
>>334759197
Why do you skip 9 and 12?
>>334758901
>look nothing like a boy band btw.
Yes they are
>they don't color co-ordinate their matching outfits like in XV
Boybands don't always color co-ordinate, they more often all dress differently
>>334758938
>>334758938
>you calling 'sheath-kun' autistic is looking quite hypocritical at this point.
Okay sheath-kun, it's obvious you know you are full of shit but are still trying to get those (You)s.
>>334758793
>XV playable characters all have downsyndrome from start to finish
>XV drone defends this: "uhh ya, it's part of the design, the royals are all inbred, it's part of the story?"
>>334758894
>>334758930
>>334759274
i know i am speaking on behalf of more than one person. this tactic of crying samefag every time an argument is reiterated by multiple posts is really childish. but if you want to keep doing it i can't and won't try to stop you. i will just feel increasingly superior.
>>334759197
Clusterfuck circus of autism and shit design vs actually well designed characters who fit their setting
XV cast are without a doubt the best designed FF characters, only good FF7 designs are the side characters like Shinra
>>334759565
So, you're insecure
>>334759197
So we've come back to a common problem: the story is given way, WAY too much control over the game. The gameplay should be dictating the story, not the other way around. RPGs do not get an excuse, it's not acceptable anywhere, in any genre.
If a game is centered around fast gameplay, it should have a character who looks light and speedy, for example. It CAN have a ladyboy or a tit monster fanservice, but does it make the game better?
>>334759527
Things that never happend.
>>334744014
>No female party members
>>334759197
>XV crew
look like a boring version of the Turks.
Why they do this?
>>334759565
Man you are fucking pathetic.
>>334759723
it's an argument of reduction.
>>334759197
Oh hey look it's this SJW again.
>>334759757
i'd play XV if the main group was the Turks, they're a cool bunch
>>334759663
The fuck are you even talking about?
>>334759757
the Turks are wearing normal suits and look decent, while XV guys look like /fa/ drunk at a cosplay convention
>>334759869
Which never happened as it's a false equivalence.
>>334759757
Only good looking Turk is Elena, and Rude if he lost all those earrings.
In XV main cast with Cor, Ignis and Gladio are good and Noctis in his suit is good.
>>334760035
Noctis has normal suits too.
The premise is a mistake in the first place
>>334759978
I'm agreeing with you, genius. The story is becoming a detriment to the game, so it needs some fine tuning to make the gameplay better.
>>334760187
No it isn't, nice samefag.
>>334760063
it obviously never happened, that's the point. if in both scenarios you defend an aspect of the game by referring to its basis in the game's own lore, what makes the difference?
So whose excited to go on a road trip with these hunks?
>>334760207
But I didn't say that at all, the story is only adding more reason and actual depth to the lore to everything and that is reflected in the gameplay, barely any RPGs ever go this far to blend the two
>>334760141
>blurry as fuck
what am i looking at? and a suit won't fix his hairdo
>>334760337
Okay, if you say so.
>>334760256
No because that is a false equivalence, what you proposed is of negative connotations since it implies deformities and mental retardation which hinder all characters
Having weapon summoning gives everyone MORE FUCKING FREEDOM, like holy shit are you seriously this fucking triggered that all basic logic was thrown out the window? Them not carrying weapons 24/7 frees them up to be able to hold and do other things without the weapons getting in the way and it gives them the ease of just summoning them when they need to use them, it is a complete advantage over any alternative.
Your bullshit false equivalence is trying to act like them having "le downsyndrome XD" would somehow the same thing, fucking idiot even a child would call you a fucking stupid faggot who doesn't know fuck all about anything
Just make their costumes rainbow color, give them lots of belths and short blonde ahir and people will love it
>>334760301
How the fuck did these guys become the heroes of an FF game?
>>334760508
Still better than Reno's shitty hair
Why couldn't they have just released this on PS3? Even so late in the PS3's lifespan it would have still sold massively just on the brandname alone. I honestly haven't seen any improvements since the PS3 tech demo 5 years ago, the longer Squeenix drag this out the more hype they lose.
>>334744207
>that walking animation
Why isn't Square allowed to just make cool fantasy characters?
XV looks like Shenmue to me, I don't wanna play as a fucken NORMIE!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>334760675
Because they are better designed than any other FF cast and you have a serious case of denial and nostalgia goggles if you think otherwise.
>>334760787
you mean jogging animation
>>334760601
>what you proposed is of negative connotations since it implies deformities and mental retardation which hinder all characters
so you admit that a justification within the game's lore does not necessarily make for a good design feature. now we're getting somewhere.
so what DOES make this a good game feature? i don't buy that it gives you more freedom. you can switch weapons freely and still have them be physical. devil may cry is an example of this.
>>334744489
Does this nigga even sleep?
>>334760736
Because it wasn't even anything more than 20-25% of a game by 2012 when they transitioned Versus to XV.
All they had was probably some barebones forest area and some areas of Lucis mapped out
>>334744207
Why does he run like Steven Seagal?
>>334760834
Why are you still samefagging? FF6 cast is fucking shit and all of them but four are completely irrelevant and forgettable.
>tfw the new FF is created to pander to non-fans that only play action games and have no interest in JRPGs
Whatever, DQ is the better franchise anyway.
>>334761118
Both of them are shit.
>>334760834
Then just kill yourself already.
>>334760834
>Why isn't Square allowed to just make cool fantasy characters?
because we live in the Kali Yuga. Square is being managed by marketing execs, not artists.
>>334760965
They should have continued working on it instead of rebooting it and wasting even more time and money. Like you said it was less than a quarter of a game and already looks way better than anything they've done since then.
>>334761270
Fishing is fucking boring desu.
>>334761242
>shiny graphics means its good!!
>4 man boyband is hyper realistic and super stylish, so it's good!
this is what milennials actually believe
I'm surprised there wasn't more a ruckus from the fujos when Gladio went to mount the pinball machine.
>>334749504
Where the fuck were you people 10 years ago when the first trailer hit and this was literally the only thing we knew about the character and game?The answer is preschool but I want to hear it from your mouths.
>>334745280
>just weapons and accessories
how lame
>>334761425
>wahhh....why won't Final Fantasy rehash the same old medieval setting forever and ever like Dragon Quest
>>334760834
Well, good thing you have 12 other FF games to play then. If you don't like it just skip this one
>>334761378
You're boring.
>>334761378
>fishing
>boring
Fuck you
>>334760948
>so you admit that a justification within the game's lore does not necessarily make for a good design feature.
That is completely irrelevant and besides the actual point. The point is that the game has a set lore explanation for why things work the way they work and there is nothing that needs to be done to change how it works because there is nothing wrong with the way it works, it is already a complete advange over any other method.
> i don't buy that it gives you more freedom
It literally does, it literally fucking does.
>you can switch weapons freely and still have them be physical.
What is the point of this? WHY? You offer no actual explanation why it needs this other than your fucking autsim, Virgil isn't summoning real actual swords that he can use as regular swords by pulling them out and using them, his powers summons swords that stab the foes like telepathically controlling multiple swords, that isn't what Noctis is doing, Noctis has actual different weapons, not just swords, he has guns, shields, shurikens, crossbows, axes, broadswords, katana, daggers etc, he has them all part of his arsenal that he summons and can then use them on his volition.
>>334761270
ready for a road-trip brah?!! no girls allowed!
>>334761501
hey
hey
guess which franchise is more successful
>>334761378
Compared to what?
Triple Triad? Yes
Blitzball? Maybe
What else? It's not like you'll be doing it 24/7
>>334744207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkskuSXqUD0
>>334761564
To be fair, only two of these guys turned out to be gay.
>>334761479
We Kingdom Hearts now
>>334760834
Final Fantasy lost its way after 7. 12 was a brief moment of grace, but ultimately FF7 took the series in a different direction, and now they keep on pushing these horrible futuristic and modern games with cringeworthy metrosexual main characters and stories utterly tainted by Japanese melodrama. Sakaguchi, the heart is gone. Matsuno, and political intrigue, adult characters, and grounded fantasies, all lost forever.
>>334758720
Noctis has phantom royal arm weapons, guns, katanas, knives, shields, and machinery weapons which are still a mystery, I predict they will be like Edgar's Tools, so our dear little Noct might get a chainsaw. They have to give him a mask as well if he does get on.
Ignis has daggers and spears.
Prompto has a pistol, pile bunker, and since he is into tech, probably shares "machines" with Noctis.
>>334761425
>milennials
Anyone under 40 is a millennial you fucking faggot.
And I guess you are blind and can't see that there is 10 characters in that image.
>>334750651
Somehow, summoning magical glittering weapons is more "normie" than carrying around a sword or a gun?
>>334761515
What the fuck is this from?
>>334761479
You can see attire menu too.
>>334761792
>Noctis has an invisible arsenal of hidden weapons that you sometimes get to see briefly
oh wow, i can't wait to see a the backstreet boys "summon" weapons for 1-2 seconds during their Audi road-trip
>>334761596
FF
FF worldwide sales 110 million
DQ worldwide sales 66 million
FF Japan sales 41 million
DQ Japan sales 39 million
FF is bigger both in Japan and worldwide, you just wrecked yourself.
>>334761909
oh boy
cosmetic armour in place of armor with stats
I wish there were other costumes for areas with cold temperatures. it'll look weird seing them run around in their shirts in ice cold temperatures
>>334744207
black desert looks better than this, what happened? it used to look amazing in the first trailer
>>334761539
>That is completely irrelevant and besides the actual point.
it's a fundamental aspect of your argument which has been shown to be flawed.
>The point is that the game has a set lore explanation for why things work the way they work
yes, which is flawed.
>here is nothing that needs to be done to change how it works because there is nothing wrong with the way it works
why? there are obviously people who want to see their character sporting the gear they have worked hard to acquire.
>It literally does, it literally fucking does.
how?
>What is the point of this? WHY?
i mean, it really should be obvious. when you get a weapon or armour, if your character carries or wears it you feel a greater sense of accomplishment and personalisation. this is something that games like xenoblade are rightly lauded for. it shows that the developers have done work to help the players feel they are playing a role in a role playing game.
>>334761564
Then why is there a girl with them? They already confirmed girls do join the party as temporary party members, so I don't know why are pretending that doesn't count.
>>334761817
>stop looking at the 4 backstreet boys!! ok they are gay, just focus on the old dudes with beards, see they are cool! and the girls you never get to play as!!
LMFAO
>>334761989
loving those sources
in b4 vgchartz
>>334762009
Makes sense, i older games you needed the protection to actually withstand damage. In this one you can dodge it
>>334745732
Delicious inverse kinematics
>>334761501
>>334761596
rofl get rekt kid
This "hurr durr they have to try out new stuff" is such a retarded argument. Of course they can do it, just try it on new game franchises, don't fucking ruin one of the best game franchises ever made trying to have some innovative shit.
>>334761952
They don't drive an audi though.
>>334762120
I love your sources
>>334762050
>when you get a weapon or armour, if your character carries or wears it you feel a greater sense of accomplishment and personalisation. this is something that games like xenoblade are rightly lauded for.
being this logical with XV-drones, you're supposed to shit post here, not quality post...
>>334750651
>It's a watering down of the genre.
Have you ever fucking noticed how in literally none of the Final Fantasy game except for 13 none of the main characters is ever seen carrying a weapon outside of battle and cutscenes?
It's something they've always done, and happens in a fukton of other JRPG too.
They're not using the weapon summoning as an excuse for hiding the weapon, it's you using the hiding of the weapons, that has always been a thing, as an excuse to complain about the main characters look.
Nw go go bitching about the most insignificant things somewhere else.
>>334762107
>Then why is there a girl with them?
where is the girl in the pic? the blondie? the girls are confirmed to be special "guest" characters
we're still stuck with the backstreet boys predominately
>>334762050
>>it's a fundamental aspect of your argument which has been shown to be flawed.
No it has literally no bearing on anything because it's a false equivalence.
>yes, which is flawed.
No it isn't.
>why? there are obviously people who want to see their character sporting the gear they have worked hard to acquire.
And? So what?
>how?
I just explained to you, like seriously is the concept of someone not holding a weapon or keeping a massive broadsword on you at all times so they can do other things so hard for you to grasp?
>, if your character carries or wears it you feel a greater sense of accomplishment and personalisation.
So basically you are autistic.
>it shows that the developers have done work to help the players feel they are playing a role in a role playing game.
Right other than the fact they are playing a set character in a set story with no actual deviation to that set story and it being a linear story, do you even know what RPGs are?
>>334762349
She's just a random NPC you can pick up though
>>334762265
Samefagging doesn't help your arguments Sheath-kun
>>334744014
For all the shitposting /v/ is doing for this game, they never really miss a day to "talk" about it. Is this some new kind of shilling? I don't mind either way. Personally, these threads actually keep the hype going. Can't wait for it to come out.
>>334762489
I feel like someone's gonna get fucked.
>>334762117
So you got proven wrong, ignored how anyone under 40 is a millennial and are still pretending there are only two characters in the entire game.
>modern kids have to play as metrosexual boyband models
>I got to play as a frog knight
I pity the modern world
>people ITT are unironically having an autism battle over a character not having a fucking sheath
>>334759634
This. The only thing I'll say is that FFX was great because it was bright and colorful while the rest of the industry was just about to head down the road to grimdark brown and bloom, so I'm a tiny bit annoyed at them abandoning that long-held design element. I can understand why it is the way it is, though, because this is still a bit VERSUS.
>XV threads
>>334762703
XV's character design honestly is boring as hell.
The rest of the game is too, though, so whatever.
If you want colorful characters you should really just wait for Persona 5
>>334762120
SE direct sales report, SE press site.
>About Square Enix, Inc.
Square Enix, Inc. develops, publishes, distributes and licenses SQUARE ENIX, EIDOS® and TAITO® branded entertainment content throughout the Americas as part of the Square Enix Group. The Square Enix Group operates a global network of leading development studios and boasts a valuable portfolio of intellectual property, including: FINAL FANTASY®, which has sold over 110 million units worldwide; DRAGON QUEST, which has sold over 66 million units worldwide; TOMB RAIDER®, which has sold over 45 million units worldwide; and the legendary SPACE INVADERS®. Square Enix, Inc. is a U.S.-based, wholly-owned subsidiary of Square Enix Holdings Co., Ltd.
>FINAL FANTASY®, which has sold over 110 million units worldwide; DRAGON QUEST, which has sold over 66 million units worldwide
http://press.na.square-enix.com/releases/582/dragon-quest-heroes-the-world-trees-woe-and-the-blight-below-now-avail
>>334762703
They can still play old games you know?
>>334762691
>still pretending there are only two characters in the entire game.
the 4 main dudes are the problem, I don't care about an NPC i talk to or some girl in a cut scene...
>>334762757
>XV threads
>>334762848
And what company was brought to the edge of bankruptcy for their franchise that led to the SE merger in the first place?
>>334762851
>They can still play old games you know?
Not with the same excitement and joy I had as a kid. They've been desensitized by shiny graphics. It's really a shame.
>>334762480
>No it has literally no bearing on anything because it's a false equivalence.
it isn't a false equivalence. if the lore says your character has downs, does that make your character having downs a good thing? no. if the lore says your character makes weapons appear out of thin air, does that make your character making weapons appear out of thin air a good thing? no. there is a clear equivalence.
>And? So what?
and so that's something that, at least to them, is wrong with the way it works.
>I just explained to you, like seriously is the concept of someone not holding a weapon or keeping a massive broadsword on you at all times so they can do other things so hard for you to grasp?
it's not hard to grasp but it's a real world consideration. a video game character does not have the same physical constraints we do. they can pull another weapon out of their inventory just like that. solid snake does it. dante does it. video game characters for many years have done it.
>So basically you are autistic.
no.
>Right other than the fact they are playing a set character in a set story with no actual deviation to that set story and it being a linear story, do you even know what RPGs are?
i don't see what bearing that has on the argument at hand. it *is* a role playing game of a specific kind, and that kind involves personalised character equipment. a way to enhance the feedback for this personalisation is showing your character physically sporting the equipment.
>>334762703
I got to play as them, and I also get to play as a young prince who will rapid age into an old man and be king, and I also played every other FF which was a pretty boy MC, except 6 where it's some weak bitch MC
FF XV haters in a nutshell:
>but look! i don't see the shadow of the feather from that bird! xDD
>it's a beta prebuild, they've already said they would fix it
>b-but then there's another problem, what's the point of warping and creating any weapon at your will? :((
>that's how they're making the game, i think it will make the gameplay interesting
>b-but muh old FFs were so basic! i don't want this shit, it's for casuals!
>don't buy the game then
>f-fuck you! i didn't want this boyband crap anyway!
>>334760787
Looks like normal jogging to me. When was the last time you jogged, lard ass?
>>334762757
did it jizzed his hand?
>>334752714
I thought they each summoned their own weapons?
>>334761596
>>334762848
B T F O. The nostalgia-goggles is too fucking real in these threads.
>>334762982
Too bad what caused the bankruptcy was a movie, not a videogame. By the way, the man behind it was Sakaguchi himself... the guy who, wait for it, made the older FFs.
>>334762982
And what does that have to do with anything when the SE merger was planned before Square released SW and cost them a ton of money? The merger was already happening before that and then it just finished after SW was released, them losing money is just happenstance of the timing it was not the reason for the merger, they merged because Enix wanted DQ to get more western exposure and Square figured it would be nice to own DQ to expand their IP repertoire, during the merger SW ended up tanking but the merger itself was already in motion.
And that still doesn't change the fact that FF is almost double as big as DQ is worldwide
>>334763260
Seriously though, i know they'll improve it, but the shadows in the prebeta build are shit and i can't blame people if they judge that build ince it's the only thing we can judge for now
>>334763279
it looks like how an animu girl jogs 2bh pham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcRv-nN2DDI&t=1m11s
>>334763260
I'm an FF XV hater and I hate it because it's got shit gameplay. End of discussion. They somehow managed to dumb down Type-0's shit gameplay even more. If I wanted to play an action game, I'd go play an action game.
>>334763260
>b-but muh paraphrasing of the counterarguments in a childish and insistent tone intended to make the opposing stance look bad!
people are right to scrutinise the graphics. they're right to express their personal dissatisfaction with the gameplay and presentation. being a 'hater' is one thing, displaying a critical stance is another.
>>334759663
>So we've come back to a common problem: the story is given way, WAY too much control over the game. The gameplay should be dictating the story, not the other way around.
This is complete bullshit. Yeah, I guess it is wrong that the future sight Shulk is gifted with from using the Monado in Xenoblade should not have been reflected in the gameplay, right?
>>334763505
But they judge it like that build is releasing tomorrow. It's crazy, man
>>334762832
Oh? So you've played it all?
>>334762038
>pre-beta gameplay
>pre-beta
>beta
>alpha
>final
>>334762489
>She's just a random NPC you can pick up though
>>334763645
If the final game's gameplay is anything like what we've experienced so far, then yes, it's a shit game. SE has never made a good action game, so it's nothing to be surprised by, but it's still disappointing.
>>334763645
he's talking about what he's seen you numbnuts. are you saying we should judge the game solely on what we have not seen?
Guy I'm worried
>FFV13
>dark fantasy set in a night city, it's like dark souls but modern
>FFXV
>generic desert generic forest, generic road
>>334763681
>pre-alpha
>alpha
>pre-beta
>beta
>RC
>final
>>334763872
>it's like dark souls but
End this meme.
>>334763260
>how come all the characters are weaponless and gearless, I mean, if I work for gear it would be nice to see it.
>>that's how they're making the game
>how come they all dress in black, it's bad enough there's no weapons to set them apart and personalize the characters. But they wear matching outfits of the same color
>>that's how they're making the game
>how come there are no girls or monsters or variety in your main group? it's just 4 boy-band guys, isn't that a bit much?
>that's how they're making the game
>why are they going for the super modern look, why not super fantasy or sci-fi...they're driving an Audi to a gas station and texting each other, why not something more sci-fi or medieval?
>>that's how they're making the game
>why has this game not been finished yet, it's 10 years...
>>that's how they're making the game
>why is the combat so clunky, everyone who plays it says it looks better than it feels
>that's how they're making the game
>>334763260
>that's how they're making the game
Is this just another way of saying "It just works."?
>>334763491
funny how the FF MMO looks 1000000x better than XV and it's been in the works for 10 years+
>>334764030
Can we play the attack on the city at night in XV though?
>>334763047
>it isn't a false equivalence.
Yes it fucking is, it's you using a lesser value comparison thus it's a false equivalence as it doesn't meet the parameters of the initial situation.
>if the lore says your character has downs, does that make your character having downs a good thing?
See again false equivalence, there is no relation between those two things as they are not equivalent.
>and so that's something that, at least to them, is wrong with the way it works.
And so what?
> a video game character does not have the same physical constraints we do.
So you are saying that they have access to magic powers, and thus can use those magic powers to do magic things, wow it's almost as if weapon summoning is purely magic or something.
> they can pull another weapon out of their inventory just like that.
And Noctis has all his weapons equipped at once which he can manually switch to on the fly, what the fuck is your point? The entire point is that he is summoning the weapons, he doesn't need to hold them, he summons them and uses them, they dematerialize, then when he needs it he will summon it again, it costs literally fucking nothing and it completely falls into the scope of what his magic abilities are with the floating weapon barrier
There is no explanation for why snake has a million guns on him that he pulls out his ass, that is just a video game thing that isn't explain, because as I mentioned earlier barely any games give actual explanations for those things, in XV there is an actual explanation and you are sperging out like a complete fucking autistic faggot
>no.
Yes you fucking are.
> it *is* a role playing game of a specific kind,
No it really isn't, not anymore than getting a fireflower in Mario is role playing as Mario, it has nothing to do with role playing, and in JRPGs especially the RPG part refers to GAME MECHANICS, which have their root in tabletopgames, those mechanics being the stats and numbers
>>334748152
>VIIR not being the original gameplay
What was so good about it in the first place?
>>334763260
Pretty much.
will they milk XV with multiple games reusing characters and stuff like they did with XIII?
>>334763573
Show me where Type-0 has weapon switching, or aerial combat, or parries, or counters, or anything more than just 4 commands for 3 characters you have in battle at once, which Noctis alone can do more than just from his weapon switching alone.
>>334763872
>it's like dark souls but modern
Well, there's already another shitposting thread going, so no need to make a new one
>>334758081
NEXT THREAD
>>334758081
NEXT THREAD
>>334758081
NEXT THREAD
I wish we could have a civil FFXV once in a while even if it's only 50 posts long
>>334764504
This is what happens when you start wish shitpost
>>334762945
source pls
>>334762851
Shhh, don't acknowledge them. Someone already posted the reasoning going on with those guys. Whether it be turn based mechanics or just older games in general, there has always been a group that discredits any new FF because of some ill conceived notion that if modern FFs fail, Square will magically go back to older formulas, vindicating them for shitting on newer rpgs trying different things, no matter how good the games actually are. I say this as a guy who loved FF from 4 onwards.
>>334764678
Netoge no Yome
Pretty much REE I HATE NORMIES the anime
>>334751348
>cut air with his hands
>>334763975
They aren't weaponless, they all have weapons
They all dress in black because it's the color of the royal organization they are from, they all have weapons, they also all have their own individual personalities, designs and backstories, the only thing they have in common is black clothes because they are from the same place, the same royal organization
There is going to be temporary female party members who join, why would there need to be monsters? FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF8, FF13 didn't have non human party members, also you can have chocobo's travel with and camp with you.
The game is a urban fantasy mixed with medieval fantasy setting with magitek mechs with a story about a prince from a modern kingdom being exiled after his kingdom was invaded and his crsytal stolen, with the medieval kingdom with knights and dragoons using their magitek to take over the kingdom, with the MC then going on a quest to save his kingdom by gathering all the summons to defeat his enemies, and then once he is king dealing with a plague that is threatening the whole world, it's literally an FF5, 6 and FF7 setting mixed into one, there is no audi in the game.
The game known as Versus was a concept that was announced in 2006, it never got off the ground and even then only started as an actual game in 2010 before being put on hold, all because of FF13, FF14 and Crystal Tools, Versus becamse XV in 2012 and that is when full development actually began
The combat is actually responsive if you bothered to play it and try weapons like the Heroes Shield, Cross Shurike and Airstep Sword while doing the weapon swiches, aerial combos, perfect blocks and more.
>>334764181
>it's you using a lesser value comparison thus it's a false equivalence as it doesn't meet the parameters of the initial situation.
hence it's a reduction. the point is to show that the argument depends upon those parameters. the argument itself proves nothing. you need favourable parameters. such as, whether it's a good fucking game feature in the first place. so you can't use it to PROVE that it is a good feature.
>And so what?
i don't see how you're trying to market this as an argument against the criticism. and so, that's bad.
>So you are saying that they have access to magic powers, and thus can use those magic powers to do magic things, wow it's almost as if weapon summoning is purely magic or something.
no, not necessarily magic, just preternatural, outside the realms of normal physical constraints.
>And Noctis has all his weapons equipped at once which he can manually switch to on the fly, what the fuck is your point?
that he doesn't carry the weapons. stop asking what my point is when i've laid it out very clearly. you can't be so stupid you haven't noticed that JRPG fans like it when they can see their character actually using the stuff they equip.
> in XV there is an actual explanation and you are sperging out like a complete fucking autistic faggot
the explanation is there, that isn't the problem - the problem is the lack of visual feedback on your customisation of the character. snake might pull weapons out of his ass, but he carries them when they are equipped. do you think it would be just as good were he not to do this? if the gun just appeared when you went to aim, would this fly with you?
>No it really isn't,
you're arguing that a jrpg isn't an rpg now? well that's getting to the point of uncertainty.
>>334763872
It's the same exact fucking setting. In the Veruss trailers we only ever saw three places, the city Insomnia and mostly at night, the wasteland outside Insomnia on the highway, and some small section of Altissia
>>334764761
Ty bb
the thought that japaneses are even familiar with razer is interesting to me
>>334764120
Lucis gameplay happens later now
>>334765118
So far we've seen none of the gameplay of XV set in the city, it's all in the desert/plain
>>334754149
In the latest Etrian Odyssey game with a story mode the only pretty boy in the party is the ass of the jokes and literally only exists as a character to play as "The friend you hung out with"
Your guy is a tanned handsome motherfucker voiced by Matthew Mercer and the third guy is pretty much the team dad.
The other party members are a pretty dumb princess whose panties can crush solid steel when you're within visual range and a magical witch medic loli who outside of yourself is the highest damaging party member out of your group.
>>334764978
I'm not going to bother with your autism anymore, you were already completely BTFO with facts with direct statements yet you can't fucking comprehend it, it's outstanding.
>>334765274
Except the plat demo is literal set in the end at Insomnia in the same place the 2006 trailer happens
>>334759527
Not to be that guy but historically royal families used to inbreed all the time to keep the bloodline flowing if they ran out of cousins to fuck.
>>334765339
thanks for playing. note that i never resorted to 'autism' comments and my arguments were cogent and to the point. see you next rodeo.
>>334765591
Your arguments were full of autism and everyone in this thread called you out on in multiple times, everyone got sick of your shit, your literal autism.
>>334765710
i obviously don't have autism and i'm one of what seems to be a large group of people arguing for carried weapons and armour in this thread. if you can't bear the thought that more than one person might share my opinion, i have to question not only your disturbing level of investment in this game but also your recipience of the mmr vaccine.
>>334765318
the story in short is you going into a really fucking big tree to fix your arm that turns you into a demon that the princess caused to you by accident and make really fucking weird food along the way.They really gotta make a dungeon meshi DRPG.
>>334744192
shut the fuck up samefagging faggot, what a shitty meme comparison
>>334744014
i just want it out already. i'm going to be long gone from this place on that release date.
>>334763573
>Gameplay is shit cuz I'm at it
Nice autism
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