>Legion will release on August 30, 2016!
>More than year of HFC
My sides
>>334733003
When Legion releases wow is going back to its roots. People won't even talk about vanilla servers because it will be so good.
>>334733449
Hope so
I don't raid so I don't know the answer to this but what's the point to even being a raider when you're out of content?
Selling mythic hfc runs for money and then what?
>>334733449
Sure, just like wod.
>>334733449
One can only hope, I already want to level myself a blood elf demon hunter.
>>334733449
I'm likely buying Legion on release to play with friends, but you're delusional if you actually believe that.
Why don't they go to consoles also? Works great with ffxiv and the graphics aren't as demanding.
>>334733449
Yes it is literally TBC 2.0.
>>334733752
That's retarded for a couple reason, biggest being the skill gap between people that are already bad and people that are much worse barely being able to do easy content.
I'd love a warcraft spin-off built with consoles in mind though.
>50$
>>334733003
This is the first expansion I won't be buying on release, feels kinda weird
>>334733449
enjoy your time gated garrison 2.0 missions
>>334734163
Garrisons weren't the problem, the problem was having nothing to do outside of them and not seeing people inside of them. Class Halls and World Quests fixes both of these issues.
>>334733752
Because that would require a major overhaul of everything in the game. The engine isn't ready for consoles, to begin with.
FFXIV classes have little more than 10 skills each, while on WoW, each class has at least 5 or 6 skills for their base rotation alone, not counting cooldowns and situational skills, which can easily be 10 or more in certain classes.
WoW would just never work on consoles, not this iteration anyway. Maybe a new Blizzard game would, but WoW would be too much of a hassle to port to consoles at this point.
Either way, I doubt Blizzard would ever do it. WoW at this point, is getting to the minimal resources stage of it's life. They're putting as little effort into it as they can, and will keep doing it like this until it's finally not profitable.
>>334734338
Order hall missions are time gated and required for your relic, enjoy
>>334734601
Artifact Power is received everywhere and nothing is gated by Order Hall quests but cosmetics.
>getting all your shitposting material from /v/
lol
>>334734475
>FFXIV classes have little more than 10 skills each
Unless they cut down a lot of skills that's not true at all.
Or at least I was running at close to 20 buttons mapped.
>>334734756
I only played it before the expansion, so maybe it increased after that, dunno.
But when I was playing, I could go by fine with using around 11 or 12 skills. The remaining little amount of the other skills were shit that wasn't worth using at all, even in specific situations, and I didn't even map them. I assumed it was like that for every class.
>>334734694
The top thread on the forums right now is about how relic upgrade requires time gated missions, stop shilling
>>334734994
[citation needed]
I'm actually wondering how badly WoD has been doing since they haven't even given it out for free yet (beyond 14 day trial). I got my Cataclysm (+lvl 80 booster) when they were bleeding players at the end of Cata.
>>334734975
I only played before Heavensward too. What class did you play?
>>334734994
link it.
even if that happened in the alpha there's no reason to be upset until it's in the final game.
>>334733449
You think it will, but it won't.
>tfw every paladin in the game will get THE ASHBRINGER before my tauren can use a fucking totem
>>334735101
>>334735252
>spoon feed me
>you see that the an artifact mission called enemies of air requires a completion of 4 follower missions, with the one available seen taking a DAY.
>http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17610944120
>>334734994
sorry, you know nothing...
They completely acknowledge the toxicity that garrisons brought to an MMO, and have stated that it made the game feel like a single player game.
They are nerfing anything you can get from WoD garrisons to insure you will not go back once you hit 110, and the only mission you can get in your order hall is once a day, and requires you to actually go out in the world to get your reward, which is btw, COMPLETELY OPTIONAL
They stated and I quote, "We do not even view these daily missions as 'content', it is .3% of legion
There are actually posts by alpha testers right now, saying that there actually is an overwhelming amount of content on Legion Launch
>>334735812
Nowhere have they said they'll remove that mission though, and they've even said they want offline progression to still be a thing
>>334733003
WoW is fucking dead in the water.
>>334735597
notice how there are big random barricades and how the shaman quest is labeled as a death knight quest.
refer back to
>even if that happened in the alpha there's no reason to be upset until it's in the final game.
>>334735597
It's not mandatory. Artifact power is gained through many different ways
>>334733449
>wow is going back to its roots
I know this is bait, but explain in detail how.
>>334736030
>refer back to
>even if that happened in the alpha there's no reason to be upset until it's in the final game.
They've give no indication that they intend to remove it so at this point you should assume it's in
>>334735812
>Believing the horseshit Blizzard spews for the sake of PR
Remember when they talked about how the WoW team is bigger than ever and their servers are at their prime? WoD was a broken piece of shit at launch and people were stuck in massive queues. Not to mention it got fuck all for content.
Take the dick out of your mouth because all it does is make you sound like a complete faggot.
>>334735978
"In 7.0, Salvage Yard will give a new crate. Pre-existing unopened crates will not be affected. We’re not THAT cruel.
To clarify, changes like this are being made so that you don't feel obligated to run Draenor missions in Legion."
grabbed this from a Blue Post Wall stating how they are pretty much disablign garrisons once you leave draenor, but dont ruin it for alts and new members levelign through WoD
>>334735812
Yeah, I remember when they said the garrison shit would be optional.
>>334735224
I played a Paladin, or Gladiator/Conjurer. God, Conjurer leveling was some of the worst content I've ever done in an MMO, that shit was so fucking bad, now that I think back.
>>334736303
except they viewed garrisons as content, and was the main sellign point to WoD,
now they dont even view it as content, just rehashed daily quests that make you go out into the world, such as any other daily.
>>334733449
>>334733956
You are deluded if you think so, I'm in alpha and it's just more of the same that they have been doing for years now. Along with even more dumbing down and pruning. Legion is all bells and shinny ball-balls with almost no substance. Go look at destro, they call it "class fantasy", I call it lazy, unimaginative bollocks. Same goes for many other specs.
>>334736242
I thought a designer named watcher spoke out saying he didn't even know if it would be in the final game.
>>334733449
>Legion
>Make WoW great again.
>>334736392
And what happens when they change their mind, when content droughts start hitting the game post-launch? Are you so naive you don't think they'll start viewing them as content again? It's a rhetorical question.
Continue falling for their bullshit. You people defend a full year worth of content drought, this is not surprising
>>334735597
Hey retard, what part of the artifact is that locking out? Go ahead, I'll wait.
>just throwing out retarded hyperbole until something sticks
lol
>>334736691
>Along with even more dumbing down and pruning
and they'll probably do even more pruning before release get ready for every class to have 5-6 abilities total
>>334736334
Yeah, Paladin didn't exactly shine on having many buttons.
Conjurer was alright to me. White Mage on the other hand was hell.
After Warlords, I thought wowfags would finally wise up. Looks like I was wrong.
>>334736880
what bullshit man?
I paid $50 for the expansion, gold is so easy to get I can pay for the wow token with no effort, Im not expecting there to be enough content to satisfy me 24/7 for the next 2 years.
Ill play the game, it will be fun as fuck for 3 or so months, then ill go do other shit until new content hits.
>>334736779
He's the blue post in that link he doesn't mention that one exactly but he does mention that they want off line progression and that there will still be missions
>>334736905
Get blizzards dick out of your mouth and read the post
The dumbassery in this thread reads like a fucking Onion article.
>Horde Of Autistic Anonymous Posters Staggered When Faced With Information Gleamed From First Google Result,
>"I really thought I had him with the "they're bringing back garrisons and they're mandatory and it'll take a week for you to unlock one ability through missions you can't participate in" narrative." - Anonymous poster on popular video game board /v/
>>334736993
At least things cannot possibly get worse than they already are for some classes.
>>334737347
>maybe if I samefag enough people will buy the expansion
so are you paid per post or what?
>>334733449
t. J Allen Brack
why do people still play this game? i swear it's just going in circles with nothing happening storywise since LK
>cataclysm was rework of vanilla
>nobody cares about pandaland sidestory
and fucking WOD
>burning crusade 2.0
>facebook quests
i think they started the expansion without knowing where story was going- why the FUCK did they reuse Archimonde as the final boss? came from far left field
>legion is burning crusade 3.0
>reuse illidan again
>more le free legendaries
>>334737283
Nowhere does he mention offline progression.
he actually says specifically
>missions in Legion are not intended to be an alternate progression path or a self-contained activity. We don't think of them as "content."
>>334737438
nah, BeastMaster hunter doesnt even have rend and Execute equivilents
Its just *hit x to genenerate, dump with y, z on cooldown"
>>334737239
Blizzdrones are fucking delusional. God help the people who think Legion or Overwatch look good.
>>334733449
Tell your employers, that their money is wasted on you.
>>334737641
oh shit an MSpaint comic equating something somebody likes to eating shit, time to pack it in lads WoW confirmed dead
>>334737759
Eat shit faggot.
>>334737561
>But at the same time, there are people who do enjoy the mission minigame, and there are some positive elements, such as a bit of offline progression, and the fun of looking forward to a reward waiting for you when you get home and log in.
>http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17610944120?page=10#188
So what does blizzards dick taste like
>this physically pains the anti-blizz poorfag shill/nostcuck
post em bros
>>334737815
>Backing cucks from a padding guild
wew
>>334737641
Never played WoW outside of the free trial, just came in this thread to say you're a faggot with no actual argument.
>>334738004
>backing cucks from a dead guild
eat shit HIJ
>>334738004
>>334738041
Keep it up shills.
>>334738095
>Implying
US raiding is dead m8
>>334738198
did you also buy an ad to advertise your petition?
>>334738294
nah i bought dark souls 3
>>334737974
You seriously think that is impressive? I pre-purchased 2 40 card packs for hearthstone, pre-purchased overwatch and plan on buying all the skins and currently have every skin for HOTS.
Match me.
I knew Warlords would be bad, so I am not sure why people keep saying I will get 'tricked twice.' I knew exactly what Warlords was lacking and was banking on the atmosphere or Draenor alone. The warning signs were all there. Legion on the other hand has a plethora of content we know for a fact are confirmed and how they promote longevity. Now more than ever they need to be told that things like world quests should remain important for geared players.
>>334737951
Oh no you got me so hard, wait, what's sandwiched inbetween that?
>We've tried to tackle this problem throughout our design of Legion. We've focused on replayable and varied outdoor world content and dungeon content as the heart and soul of the Legion endgame, and on reward systems that will support the continued relevance of those systems.
just before
>Not all aspects of the game are intended to appeal to all players - that's part of the challenge of creating a single game that is played by such a diverse audience with different preferences and playstyles. But while garrison followers and missions were a substantial portion of the content in Warlords, Order Hall missions are probably more like 3% of Legion.
And just after.
oh man I'm sucking so much blizzard dick pointing out your bullshit, listen to me sucking this dicks, don't worry the sound just happens to sound like you being a fucking idiot.
>>334738407
What is that, 300$ across multiple games? What a casual.
>>334733449
No, It will be shit. I will get it because it's my favorite fucking theme in WoW, But it has nothing going for it unless they make it a requirement for Legacy servers.
>>334737974
Just resubbed. Haven't played in a year. I figure I will get through the WoD content and maybe level up an alt and by the time that is done Legion will be released.
>IRL friend used to play WoW with me and other IRL friends
>hes an aight dude, always trying to hit up older women for sex, funny as fuck guy
>Halfway through Wrath, he drops out of school
>Lose contact with him
>3 years later, graduate high school, move away for Uni to bigger city
>Go to an anime convention
>See my friend
>holyshitofuckitshim
>go up to him
>he's wearing a fox tail and a bunch of rainbowy shit
>he's heavily bearded, but still skinny as shit
>talks with a gay lisp
>"So uhh..how you been man?"
>"Great, great! I travelled around Europe for a bit, then went to Australia with my daddy!"
>"Your dad?"
>"No I mean my boyfriend. I mean, kinda my boyfriend, more of a client really."
>"What kind of client?"
>"Oh well, I kinda got into male escorting. No big thing, haha!"
>"Oh. Uhh so what are you doing here?"
>"Well I moved back here after some problems in Australiaaaaaa~~ And I figured I'd check out this convention, meet some guys have some fun, you know?"
>"Right. Well, take it easy man. Gotta go, I'm here with some people."
>my cool MILF-chasing friend had turned into a furry, gay male escort
What a turn.
But yeah, fuck WoW.
>>334738649
I bet you can't even afford it, you wish you could blow 100's of dollars a month on cosmetic skins.
>>334738456
That's the hope for a lot of people giving feedback on the forums. World quests make every zone feel relevant and alive. It's just that they need to make sure you still have a reason to do them after you're decked out in mythic gear and a fully maxed out artifact.
>>334733449
Blizz bots on suicide watch.
If the new order hall mission tables aren't important content and account for only 3% of trivial quests, why even have it at all? Feels like they're trying to justify adding in the order halls because once they put them in they realized nobody had a reason to go there besides popping in to upgrade their weapon.
>>334735393
underrated
>still genuinely enjoys playing WoW in 2016
just die
>>334738898
I'll be interested to see how they turn out. As of right now most mission tables are bugged or just crash the client.
Probably going to get more info on them in a later build. Suramar should be coming soon too.
>>334739146
>>334738716
>>334737815
>>334737641
samefag
same pictures every thread
don't you get tired of your little crusade? Pretty pathetic
>>334739198
Hey I accept your opinion, try telling that to the vanillacuck ITT though
>>334735930
Warlords had a lot of overwhelming content as well
It is what follows that blew it and it will be the same for this. I do like that they are apperently making Wintergrasp and Tol Barad go up to Level 110 and making them viable places to do PVP along with Ashran... But I don't know if the gear/rewards from those scale.
That and I hope they do something new with South Seas if they ever bother fucking doing it. It's not hard for what we need.
>Pirate Raid or Goblin Raid
>Abyssal Maw/ Naga City Raid
>N'zoth released Raid
>>334738857
The emissary quests aren't going to work well enough. I think they need a weekly quota of world quests that cycle rewards each week like the BMAH does. Each week you get an advertised pet, mount, mog, or toy.
>>334739281
Keep crying.
>>334737974
Wow you sure showed them!
Maybe you should buy another account just to be sure!
>>334739390
I could see the rewards being scaled up like timewalking. You can also get pvp gear from WPvP world quests. Arena like areas that are a literal free-for-all regardless of faction.
>>334733449
>When Legion releases wow is going back to its roots. People won't even talk about vanilla servers because it will be so good.
>>334738513
The fact that they want offline progression at all should be enough to tell you how it'll go, blizz also said that they wanted to reduce time between patches but they're looking at 14 months of HFC, stay deluded and keep shoveling them your money.
>>334739489
Keep replying, autist
>>334739481
That could work. I mean, they do something similar with seasons in D3 where you can earn cosmetic items just from playing.
I cant find this damn video. Someone recorded only the scene with Guldan and the demons at the broken shore and I need it bad.
>>334739489
>Dat prune
Couple of expansions later they'll change the name of the game to League of Warcraft, or World of Diablo 3.
>>334738793
why she cryin :[
Being hyped for a product made by the same team who brought you WoD + Jay Wilson.
Most of the good devs left at the end of mop.
>>334739807
MMOs dont need more than 10 buttons in their rotation. Any more is silly.
>>334739281
Are you retarded? You can literally see that, that was my first post in this thread
>>334738716
>>334737516
>why do people still play this game?
if they like mmos, hope and/or delusion
if they're solo players or pet battlers, who cares, they should go play something else
>i think they started the expansion without knowing where story was going- why the FUCK did they reuse Archimonde as the final boss? came from far left field
we know that they always have a few expansion concepts banked at any time. i'm sure once they saw subs crash they internally shifted all resources to Legion, which was probably concepted before WoD was even conceived. we know they were trying to figure out what garrosh would do if he escaped, and the earlier idea was Cata'ing Outland and gary raising the warchiefs from the dead in some way. compound that with the movie's initial planned release being december 2015 and it becomes pretty clear how and why wod materialized when it did. i'm being long winded here but the point is they have stories banked and when they decide on one they just have to figure out some way to link the stories, and with how hard a left they took thematically with "lol jk Iron Horde is now Fel Horde" alongside all the scrapped content shows they recognized the failure of wod as early as they should have and fucking dropped it because they already had dropped a good chunk of the originally planned content due to muh orc fatigue. understandable in a way, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it was a massive failure.
tl;dr it was as much as an asspull as it seems because blizzard's internal expansion story model is literally built around asspulls
>>334740052
PvE baby detected.
>>334740052
>need
They could also have 1 button per class, after all, you don't *need* 10.
>>334740052
fuck off mobafag
They were open about how garrisons would be a big deal, we just didn't know they'd swallow all the content of the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYueIdI_2L0
When the features were listed in the announcement garrisons were the second most important feature to them, the first being draenor.
Now it seems like they're being open about avoiding that situation altogether, if we had an expansion inbetween wod and legion that focused on garrisons despite everything saying they wouldn't do that, then yeah I'd agree with you.
>>334740409
>>334740052
You could have no buttons per class you could just let the game play itself and receive a reward after a set amount of time
>>334739489
>all those empty keybinds
League is getting some real competition.
>>334740052
If you're over 50.
>August 30
They are fucking terrible at this. Jesus Christ why does Blizzard suck so much ass?
>>334740669
>Now it seems like they're being open about avoiding that situation altogether
Like I said they also wanted to reduce time between patches they were open with how soo was a mistake, the point is blizzs word means nothing anymore, but whatever man stay deluded and keep giving them money and I'll see you a couple of months after launch when you come to complain about the lack of content and being time gated on everything
WoD's abysmal launch, one major content patch, and 14 months of the same patch were enough to see the writing on the wall. Blizz is creatively bankrupt, at least when it comes to WoW.
>>334739489
lvl 107
19 skills
>mfw
>ITT
>>334733525
>>334733567
>>334733620
>>334733679
>>334733956
>>334734163
>>334736836
>>334737665
>>334738656
>>334738873
>>334739575
Clueless fags
>>334736181
This guy has been here a while
And to answer your question. there is no way they can go back. This game is past redemption and would be better off if they just started from scratch
I don't play WoW nor do I care about it, but I gotta ask this, do you guys shill Legion just to trigger Nostcucks or are you actually still enjoying the game?
>>334741047
>being high level means you should have 50 useless abilities
why cant you just accept that vanilla is gone?
>>334741047
Hell back in the day we just facerolled one ability but still had always chance to use others. :)
>>334741025
I don't raid, I've been playing with alts a lot so I'm mostly looking forward to doing artifact shit and filling my wardrobe when it comes out.
>ywn do BT for the first time ever again
>>334741268
>useless
PvE baby detected
>>334741207
They are either marketers or sunk cost fallacy shitposters. Nobody but ERP faggots enjoy WoW.
>>334739489
>those empty bars
From someone who mained DK since WotlK, this is sad as fuck. I was planning on staying DK for this next expac too. Fuck.
>>334741450
says the nostbabby. The hypocrisy is real
I wonder if it will work?
>>334739489
>107
>all those empty hotbar slots
>>334741207
Probably neither, blizzard has the one of the most devoted fan bases ever, their forums and communities are filled with people who hate the game but continue to eat blizzards shit and become defensive anytime someone tries to talk bad about them, and this spreads across all their games as well hearthstone, hots, soon to be overwatch, I honestly don't know any other gaming company that has a weirdly devoted base as blizzard.
>>334733003
Can I play this game for free yet?
I refuse to pay a monthly sub for WoW in 2016.
>>334741401
Raiding mythic in WoD had me use at least 15-16 abilities every fight, as a DK.
PvE is only easy at Heroic and under. Mythic is quite challenging and will push your class to the limits, if you're not using at least 70% of your buttons, you're doing it wrong.
Fuck memes
who /mainingDemonHunters/ here?
>>334741572
Nostalrious was free and had a strong thriving community. People pay $50 plus tip for this single player skinnerbox shit.
>>334741642
Why do you even care? For somebody who doesn't care you put a lot of energy into caring about politics and the games they make. Pretty sad t.b.h
>>334741805
The nostbabby reveals himself, better to just come out at once instead of being a cowardly shitposter hiding behind anonymity
>>334741807
Can you even read, where did I say I didn't care I was answering the guys question.
>>334741704
You can if you have a decent amount of gold saved up.
>>334733550
Alts, selling runs, thats about it. Some people are just legit in a fun group and enjoy fucking around with each other weekly.
>>334739935
Smart schoolgirl who got hooked on drugs and thrown into prostitution. This is after she just had an abortion from being kicked in the stomach/assaulted/sodomized by a bunch of teenagers. She ODs and her last moments are hallucinations of the dream life as a mom she always wanted.
>>334741642
I know this sounds strange but they actually used to make really great games.
>>334741984
Eh, that's too bad.
How hard is it to go from practically no gold (1k) to sustaining enough for game time?
>>334741965
>where did I say
The moment you say their games are shit you implicitly say you don't care. If the games are shit, move on and accept you're not their customer segment anymore
but I know, you're going to say
>b-but I loved wc3 and I dont like where WoW is heading
too bad
reminder that blizzard killed a thriving private server community for the slight chance that any of us will resub out of desperation
reminder that 80% of this thread is paid shills using arguments like
>its tbc2.0 (yeah right just like draenor was supposed to be)
>what are you poor?
>private servers were stealing intellectual content which makes it literally theft (arguing against piracy on 4CHAN)
reminder that it is your duty to shitpost legion threads as a fuck you to a company that would rather hire lawyers and shills instead of adding more than one raid tier per 2 year expansion
>>334739935
Because wanting to be popular and taking drugs to do so will fuck up your life.
>>334741807
kek someone sounds like he hit a soft spot. Don't worry you can go join your hugbox in wow forums. They haven't all left yet... have they?
>>334742320
See what I mean? Go back to wasting time on kronos instead
>>334741704
if you log for 2 hours every day with enough alts to play facebook , its "free"
that assuming the token price doesn't go much higher because "fuck you pay 100k for a token while it should cost 10k
>>334737815
>honestlyfag butthurt over his beta being revoked for shitposting
Stay mad retard, your guild sucks.
>>334742212
So you actually can't read, I have overwatch preordered and I play diablo, and I'll get legion after the second patch so I can blow through everything in a month, stay mad shitposter
>>334733003
If subs still cost money I would be upset.
>>334742270
Who cares?
You don't see people signing petitions when torrent sites go down.
Take your pity party to Reddit, child.
>>334742412
LMAO so he was one of those cucks. He can get fucked
>>334742496
You can use in-game gold for WoW time anon, you just have to whore yourself out to the AH and your garrison :)
>>334735930
Anything is overwhelming when you are used to scraps
>>334742270
Honestly I get the feeling its gonna jump back with Legion. Not to Wrath levels but above Pandaria. No I did not say that about Warlords. I knew Warlords was trouble.
>>334736993
>>334737438
Vanilla/tbc mechanics were way worse.
>Warriors only spammed Sundering armor because that's what generated the most threat per rage in vanilla
>TBC warlocks only spammed shadow bolt
>Vanilla rouges had no scaling and only dumped sinister strike and eviscerate.
>rouges couldn't use poison in vanilla because of fucked threat generation
>The entire Onyxia raid was one guy using sundering armor and a bunch of casters using wands and every melee using auto attack of some range weapon.
>Mechanics in Vanilla.
The only two classes with any depth in Vanilla was Warlocks which were limited by debuff limiters and were simply stuck using life tap and spamming shadow bolt and Druids which had to actively shift in pvp to fight to potential and feral you couldn't actually raid unless you were the 0.00001% of all druids that actually had atiesh or best in slot full gear.
Both classes that had the most amount of depth, lost out the hardest due to how vanilla worked and ultimately were revolved like all the other classes to one two button dumps.
As much as people are cynical about WoW now, Vanilla to TBC had some really shitty mechanics. The only issue with this is to not die suddenly you had to have people use crowd control in dungeons, something that did disappear in Wrath with almost all classes getting some form of heavy AoE skill. Doesn't stop the fact that WoW was never hard just tedious after all. And that Vanilla and TBC mechanics were nonexistent, as much as people argue it. Nostalgia goggles are a hell of a thing.
>>334742580
I know. It takes like 5 minutes a day to pay your sub fee.
>>334735930
WoD had content on launch too, its after launch they had problems with
>>334742270
>reminder that it is your duty to shitpost legion threads
o i am laffin. Go right ahread though, the only one who loses is you
>>334742385
>he thinks I play vanilla wow
Wow its not just vanilla players who think blizzdrones are pathetic you know? You really aren't proving anyone wrong either.
>>334742270
Fucking right on the money man. /v/ has almost as many blizzdrone shills as the fucken wow forums.
Sad this is all these shills are prob doing it for free because they are so invested in this pile of a shit game and can't let go that the Blizzard they knew isn't the same of today.
>>334739489
>107
>All those empty keybind slots
Did Blizz run out of ideas for new abilities or did they literally just want it homogenized to hell and back?
Currently the only things I see on those action bars are:
Resource attacks
Empowered attacks
Offensive CDs
DoT(s)
Interrupt
Stun
>>334733449
go to bed morhaime
>>334742385
>wasting time
you are on 4chan
you are playing video games
ANYTHING YOU DO its a waste of time unless you make contact with aliens or create something worth remembering for the next 5000 years
your life is fucking worthless like any human in this current era
Next patch the 8.0.0 one: You will have to defeat Arthas again. LvL cap +10. Hp +1000%, dmg+500%. More raids with boring mechanics and no difficulty. PvP sailing into "5 button MOBA seas". WoW subs 10% less again. Game even easier and less rewarding.
>>334742935
I just don't even understand the point of posts this lazy. Are people really that bored?
>>334742751
>play a game everyone finished 10 years ago is not a waste of time
but everything is a waste of time and life is meaningless herp derp
>>334733003
You know when you're starting to rehash expansions it's time to do something new.
They really should just do WoW 2, or make a proper new game in the Warcraft series, spin-off or not. Just anything. It's embarrassing.>tfw they will never do some magic mumbo jumbo dragon break type shit and just continue off with a sequel to W3 continuing off from 3 like nothing happened
>>334742692
What the hell? You just proved what I said, what you just replied to. Idiot
>>334742658
Yes classes in Vanilla were mechanically flawed but that doesn't mean blizz even knows wtf they are doing with classes today.
I will never forgive them what they did to arms warriors, arms was in one of the best shapes in mop and they had to fuck that all up in the name of pruning and non-existent problems(overpower remove ect.). Arms looks slightly better in Legion than Wod but it is still a steaming pile of shit compared to mop.
>>334742575
Yeah he was a giant assslurping blizzdrone, best mythic raid guild on Frostmourne, so pro!
Then he gets all his beta revoked for posting reddit memes on official forums.
Now all of the sudden the epik mythic raider is anti-blizz, until of course he can cumguzzle thier amazing content in Legion!
Posts are all deleted now and the Pepe ASCII spam/Nost shilling.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742969636?page=2
>>334743063
not him but even now your point falls completely flat. There are plenty of games made 10 years that are worth replaying. I'm not saying vanilla is one of them but you are so blinded by your autistic fanboyism you can't even admit that currently wow is shit
post your characters butt
>>334742575
Guildmate also begged Blizz for him, for them to give Alpha back to their guild members, my sides.
>>334741642
they're like Bernie Sanders supporters
>>334743346
So why do you care? Refer to my first post. Don't bother replying, you're a waste of time
>>334742935
WoW was never hard or rewarding. It's always been a skinner box. The only reason you considered it hard back then was because you had to talk to people for 5 minutes, something that you're tiny brain can't seem to handle now in retail WoW, so you have to make up excuses like the game used to be hard.
WoW was never hard it was tedious, that doesn't make it difficult. You want difficult play something that takes reaction time, not investment time.
>>334743224
anon.. are you okay? I'm honestly worried about your mental health
>>334742675
I thought that it takes significantly longer to get enough gold for a sub on NA servers.
>>334743097
>tfw they will never do some magic mumbo jumbo dragon break type shit and just continue off with a sequel to W3 continuing off from 3 like nothing happened
They'll make another warcraft game eventually, they know wow is in decline but they're still bothering to expand the universe and they're starting to standardize the lore, once they've beaten the last dollar wow they'll move on to something else the warcraft name is too valuable and recognizable to abandon. Although at this point who knows if we'll get another rts or something else.
>>334743587
Nice shitpost, you seem bored. Too bad you dont have nostalrius to put your autism to use anymore
>>334743612
Not really. Garrisons alone will make you enough with about 5 minutes of work. EU subs are more expensive, so 10 minutes a day.
>>334743549
>Please refer to my huge turbo nerd rant
nah im good anon
>>334742703
Console release trying to get back lost subs
Console players have no interest in WoW though
>>334733449
God damn. Blizzard still shill-posting for Nostalrius damage control?
Why did it take people until WoD to realized WoW has gone to shit?
>>334743756
>Is Nos the boogy man of w
>>334743749
The big question is. How will they continue the story.
WoW has just ruined it. I mean, it's a MMO so that's kind of a given, but still. They need to do something to make up for it if they want to continue it.
>>334743927
Try telling someone who has spend countless hours on something that it's shit and see how that goes down.
>>334743903
They're looking for somewhere to post since the official forums are still in full damage control mode and full of deleted threads on vanilla servers and anyone against them is getting downvoted into oblivion, it's just gonna get worse now that a former dev's jumped on the nost train.
>>334735224
WoD dropped to 10 bux after announcement today
MoP was 5 bux and a bunch of people got it added to their accounts for free but wod was also closer to release when the date was announced
>>334744227
Either time dragon magic or considering blizzards record a book outside the game that explains everything and gives the official version of events.
>>334743325
was he banned or did he delete his character or something? He's not there anymore
>>334744227
>Played WoW since 2004
>Noticed it was going to shit midway through TBC
>Quit WoW
>Come back to WoW out of boredom at the end of MoP
>It's shit
>Quit for a second time
Others don't have the mental capacity to know when enough is enough?
>>334743582
Not him and while I agree on your point that WoW wasn't hard, but tedius. The thing is though, all of the quality of life things they added killed the community, the sense of purpose and the reward levels felt for doing tasks.
Everquest went through the same exact thing.
At the time, everyone loved that the game was getting quality of life buffs and a cut down on tedium.
Wow, I don't have to carry ammo around in a bag any more? Sweet!
Wow, you mean I can get a mount at level 10 now and don't have to spend 40 levels running on foot? That's awesome!
No way, I can just queue up for a dungeon now? You mean I don't have to wait around looking for a group and I can run really old dungeons that nobody else runs anymore? Thanks Blizzard!
Nobody realized that all of these 'improvements' turned the game into a shallow, meaningless experience until they had already become accustomed to them.
>>334743927
some people have 400+ days logged on there accounts. Convincing some one they wasted 400 days of there life is not an easy thing to do, but somehow WoD was that bad.
>>334743869
This information clashes with nearly everything I've heard about it.
>>334742113
Name of manga?
>>334744492
It's hard when you have invested so much time into something.
Hell, that's video games in general right now. It's so shit it's not really worth it anymore, but I've played games for so long I just can't really see myself quitting.Also same as watching that show Arrow.
>>334734975
>But when I was playing, I could go by fine with using around 11 or 12 skills.
SCH's and SMN's have way more than that and console players regularly complain that they don't have enough space.
>>334733449
>in case of emergency break canon: the game
>>334733449
Amen, it's obvious they realized what they did wrong and are looking to fix it.
I'm surprised it's being released that early. It's not even out of Alpha yet. Guess this is going to be Warlords of Legion with tons of time-gated content and garri-*cough**cough* Class hall updates with months of content droughts.
>>334745147
>That early
>14 months of nothing
Blizzard fans everyone.
>>334739489
DK has been gutted the most in Legion
>No more presences
>can't lichbourne & death coil yourself to heal, also no death pact either, no heals allowed
>no icy touch for non RP range attack & purge
>unholy frenzy is back! oh wait it's now a shitty passive
>Plague leech & Blood tap be removed, DK is literally just smash face on keyboard for max dps now
>6 of the same runes now, you would think this would lead to allowing DK's are more advanced rotation which DK desperately needs, instead the rotation is somehow simpler than WOD, who the fuck is designing DK's, an intern?
>Blizzard talks about the fantasy of making Unholy DK's being able to summon a lot of minions, so they moved Army of the Dead to Blood only
JUST
>>334744529
>Not him and while I agree on your point that WoW wasn't hard, but tedius.
Balancing tedium is a part of mmo's though it's what gets you invested in your character. Buying ammo/spell mats, making sure you had the newest rank of spells, saving for mounts, meeting people outside dungeons, all of that was what made your character yours, all that time spent making sure they were ready really built up a sense of adventure you were actually preparing your character to go out into the field and have and take on whatever it was that day. Now you can start the game buy a boost and be at end game content in a few days without ever leaving your capital.
>>334742658
>Warriors only spammed Sundering armor because that's what generated the most threat per rage in vanilla
Most threat per rage after revenge and shield slam you mean
>>334745373
>no icy touch for non RP range attack & purge
Clawing Shadows
>Blizzard talks about the fantasy of making Unholy DK's being able to summon a lot of minions, so they moved Army of the Dead to Blood only
Apocalypse literally revolves around AoTD ghouls. One talent let's them put debuff on a target. Another talent lets them explode when they die.
>>334733449
>When Legion releases wow is going back to its roots. People won't even talk about vanilla servers because it will be so good.
>>334745373
No class will ever be as gutted as hunters though. it's literally a whole different class than vanilla-wotlk
>>334745373
>no heals allowed
Took them 8 years
In fact, every class that isn't tank or healer shouldn't heal themselves all the god damn time
It's amazing how sometimes there's 2 or 4 people fighting each other and they manage to stay alive for more than 2 minutes
>>334743903
Do people really think Blizzard actually cares about damage control for Nostalrius? Are people that self centered? Do they think they are that important?
>>334746084
A hundred thousand people just spit in Blizzard's face and told them they were wrong about THEM being wrong.
I'd be pulling damage control.
>>334746084
>Do people really think Blizzard actually cares about damage control for Nostalrius
Considering the pure number of deleted threads on it, yes
>>334745568
Judging by your post and your out of context quote, I'm going to assume you didn't read my post.
>>334744634
Subs are about 40k gold right now in NA. Which is EASILY made through just garrison activities, that yes, include selling ore and shit on the AH, but still doable on a monthly basis with minimal time investment. I literally don't understand why anyone pays real money for subs when Garrisons are such easy sources of gold.
And fuck, if you just spend an hour learning how TSM and the auction house works you can make that much without doing anything but hopping from your mailbox to the AH and back a couple times a week.
>>334746193
You would pay people to go on 4chan and talk about something only tangentially related?
Really?
>>334739584
they already have offline progression, it's called dailies, both are just waiting for timers
>>334741642
the forums have always been a tiny vocal minority, especially now that 1/2 the player base has quit and only the most pathetic trolls post there anymore
>>334742658
>most threat per rage in vanilla
if you were rage capped as a warrior in vanilla you must've been in greens
>>334745974
Huntards have always been point and click, easiest class in the game to play since day one
>>334744636
its dem seksi mangas with nono material
I honestly wonder how much better society we would live in if we still had gender roles and no womens suffrage, there'd still be whores that's for granted but lots of young women take wrong turn and role models, same goes for men and we end up with dysfunctional society with manchildren and women that crave attention so much they're willing to lobotomize themselves ie spew shit and eat different dick every weekend and delude themselves in their prime to be happy
>>334733003
DYING GAM OP
>>334742113
Why does ShindoL only give happy endings to cripples and sometimes lolis?
>>334746787
f2p gaming is cancer
>>334746462
How many hours are we talking here?
I would like to play WoW casually and if the time to keep the sub going outweighs my projected play time I'm not even going to bother.
>>334741268
>skills meant to be fun like ritual of doom removed
>skills meant to have situational uses for immersion/exploring like mind soothe and eye of kilrogg removed
>it's a good thing guys!
jesus fucking christ
>>334745373
How are Shadow Priests looking?
The fact that Follower Missions are returning basically killed all interest for me, but I'm curious about my old favorite spec.
>>334741268
>roll a paladin recently
>no exorcism
Blizzard has been braying about class fantasy being superduper important for how long now, and they take THAT away? What the actual fuck.
>>334746973
10 minutes a day every day. Thats once you get your garrison up and running. So however efficient you are getting to that point is something thats on you.
>>334746973
In less than two hours you can clear all the cata 25m heroic raids. Each one gives you about 1.5k for 15-30 minutes work. Do those every week and keep the Garrison going and you'll afford a token easily while only spending a few hours per week.
>>334747161
WE WUZ OLD GODS N SHITIt's a lot of fun
>>334746862
Hey at least he isn't as bad as Shiruka Bakaudon
That guy is fucking demented.
>>334746787
>wtf is crossfire?
>look it up
>its a korean CS clone
kill me
>>334747529
That doujin disturbs me so much because the boy looks and behaves so much like my little cousin with autism.
>>334747336
Can you solo up to the Cata stuff on a level 100? Im not sure just how far you can go on these characters anymore.
>>334748167
Why wouldn't you be able to? You could solo the cata stuff in MoP.
>>334748167
Easily. MoP content is where gear actually gets required for soloing.
>>334748167
You can do 25H Cata stuff on an alright geared lvl100 (say like 680 ilvl) DS isn't really worth it though
>>334747161
They get some nice utility and their "lore" was tightened up and made cooler, imo.
>>334748167
Yes, Cata raids are easy. The only ones that would POSSIBLY provide any annoyances are as follows;
>Shannox; if you're not in a tank specialization, you need some way to kick the dog off of you. That, or kill him fast.
>Beth'tilac: Put a dot on the boss before you go down, and you're fine.
>Alysrazor: Don't fly too low or out of bounds, or else the boss resets. (Adds will leash if they can't melee you, but they don't try if you fly above the boss)
>Halfus Wyrmbreaker: You can't really heal. If you're taking too much damage, you don't belong here.
>Valiona and Theralion: if you take damage at all before the explosion hits you, you're dead.
>Maloriak: If you don't kill this boss in seconds, you're gonna be in for a bad time
>Chimaeron: If you're not confident in killing him in under 20 seconds, release Finkle's robot in the back before fighting
These are extreme scenarios, by the way. They're valid points if you're not used to doing the fights, but otherwise they're easy fights.
As >>334748341 said, don't bother doing Dragon Soul unless it's for the three mounts. The gold gain is shit there.
>>334737641
kek reminds me of this
Guys Disc or Holy? freshly hit 100 and want to be a heal slut. Never healed before and only done a few dungeons til now as shadow.
>>334741268
>useless
were you one of those fucking terrible night elf hunters
>>334741924
hey anon, look around :)
>>334748995
Both are good, but people prefer Discipline. Better burst heals.
>>334733003
>all these salty Nostrashit faggots ITT
>>334741580
It might be if you checked your fucking spelling. What is it lately with people using the wrong to/too and always using fucking LOOSE instead of lose.
>>334748254
I stopped playing in early Cata and skipped Panda land completely as i did not care for the setting. I only just recently decided to play again this month.
I know it gets shit on but ive found leveling in WoD pretty fun. And i like the garrison thing in theory as your leveling. Getting new followers and kinda building a base (Even if its barebones as hell) was a nice side thing.
I can definitely see why people hate the things now though. Its easy to look on it as something kinda fun when im 2 weeks into it. But in 2 months/years i can see how tiresome and bland it would be.
For those that have played Legion. How is Warlock Mage or DK looking? Cant decide between those 3 for that expansion.
>>334748946
The gold isn't bad in DS, but the effort required to get makes it not worth doing.
>WoWshill discussions are still allowed
Go away.
>>334749216
No one with any real opinion shits on WoD leveling. Most people's problems were with endgame. Which is basically Raid or nothing.
And Warlock looks fun as fuck. Mage too.
>>334749216
Frost is painfully simple as always and Blood is constantly being overhauled. Unholy is playing great though.
Haven't had a chance to test out destro or aff but demonology is fun with all the demons you control at once.
>>334749237
Yeah, it's horrible.
>Kill first 3 bosses
>LONG AS FUCK RP BULLSHIT, SHUT THE FUCK UP KALECGOS
>Enter the portal, LONG RP BULLSHIT AGAIN
>Beat the 4th boss
>LONG RP, FOLLOWED BY BULLSHIT DRAKE TRASH YOU CAN'T SKIP
>Beat 5th boss
>Airship takes forever because you can't kill the boss in the air
>Kill 6th boss
>Spine literally forces you to wait ages
>Finally kill 7th boss
>last boss is fast and easy
The entirety of Dragon Soul takes as much time as clearing Firelands, if not longer. Firelands has every right to take that long since there's a lot of enemies and travel required, but Dragon Soul seriously takes way too long.
Skip RP button when, Blizz?
>>334733449
>doesn't know garrisons are coming back
>>334733449
I've heard that before. In fact, word for word.
>>334749815
>coming back
they never left
>>334733449
>going back to the root
>going back to the nothingness, before the time of vanilla
>>334749138
Thanks. Is the penance glyph essential as Disc? i hate having mana issues.
>>334737641
>334737641
Yeah because enjoying something that you dont like is delusional. Fuck off.
>>334742632
WoD brought it back to panda levels. Legion would be lucky to get half of that.
>Oh great this restaurant is still open
>12 years ago I ate here and I had one of the best steaks I have ever ate, we need to check this place out again
>Hi i would like to order a medium steak
>You think you do, but you don't
>Excuse me?
>Here is a well done steak instead
>This is not what I ordered
>Well you can always not eat it and order something else, but we already charged you for it
fuck blizzard
>>334751335
Blizzard already charged you for Legion?
>>334751335
>eat a fucking amazing steak 12 years ago
>hear nearly every year that the steaks are getting shitty from friends that still come there since you stopped going
>you go there again
>OMFG WHY IS THE STEAK SO SHITTY HOW COULD THIS BE
retard.
>>334751464
paid for wod, had more enjoyment with my boosted 90 on timeless doing pvp than the entire expansion
then they shut down a private server because it was in direct competition with their shitty game instead of trying to improve it
>muh copyrights
fuck off shills
>>334733003
Taking bets on how long it'll take before the "we don't have the resources" excuse pops up to explain away why things are getting cut or changed.
>>334751656
you think you want resources, but you don't
>>334751101
It's going to be hard to determine how well or bad Legion will do. I doubt it'll pull back a lot of veteran players since a lot of them are too jaded at this point. But combined with the release of the movie and all of these bright promises they could reel in a lot of new players.
That is one thing you have to realize: new players are quickly becoming their target audience because they're easier money. Them buying the game and grabbing a few cash shop mounts, pets and level boosts is a lot easier money than trying to constantly crank out new and engaging content for the veterans that hardly ever touch the cash shop because they've farmed the mounts, pets and alts years ago.
>$10 for WoD
Still feels too high, fuck. If I wait for legion will it be free or something?
>food analogies
>>334747750
your cousin goes around raping little girls?
>>334733449
>24 replies
Starting the thread with some fine bait son
>>334750129
The thing is, WoD had an amazing launch. Best leveling yet, decent dungeons (although there could have been more) and an amazing raid with highmaul.
What happened is the NO CONTENT. What was there worked great, but the lack of content a couple months in + everything being tied to garrisons just dragged the expansion into the dirt.
The fact that I'm in full HFC normal gear without having stepped foot into the raid is baffling.
>>334752113
If memory serves, one of the guys at Blizzard thought one of the WoD patches really wasn't even worthy of being considered a major patch.
>>334735812
How much do you get per post I'm considering getting paid for shitposting too
>Game is dead
>People still talk about it
Come on.
>>334752561
>>334752113
That was the first patch (Of only two at that) for WoD: 6.1. It didn't have any new content outside of garrisons updates, garrison jukebox, selfie camera, and follower missions. It wasn't even given an official name and was instead simply known as "6.1 Garrison Updates."
If you factor that in, all that red essentially blends with the orange so really WoD got one patch for the entire duration of the expansion. One fucking patch with any meaningful content. Let that sink in for a minute.
>>334751656
karabor, bladespire, and farahlon simply didn't fit into the story of draenor, besides there was still two massive content patches!
>>334740783
I am over 50 and I for one appreciate having 8 or fewer main skills with a few situation ones and not triple that amount
>>334752093
I think the old expansions are usually grandfathered into your account if you own the base game when a new expansion comes out
>>334742658
>Warriors only spammed Sundering armor because that's what generated the most threat per rage in vanilla
>I only watched that one Preach gaming video and think I know what I'm talking about.
>>334737974
>WoW1
>It's a Nostcucks shitpost about retail episode
Awful lot of reruns lately.
>>334746547
It's negative publicity that showed up on every social media site. Along with the "You think you want it video". People are now talking about how careless and shitty blizzard are. It warrants damage control.
>>334753469
>It's a retailcucks don't have a leg to stand on episode
>>334753469
Look on the bright side. They give all those tasty (You)s.
>>334753790
Shouldn't you be off looking for petition signatures?
>>334733449
Blizzdrones say this every time. Last time it was WoD.
>>334754241
Shouldn't you be on Reddit?
>mfw nostalbabies base their arguments on "m-muh feelings," "m-muh petition," "m-muh emotional appeal"
>>334743097
Please don't make warcraft 4 not now not ever
>>334733449
I bet you aren't even in Beta. That shit is boring, you faggot.
>>334754746
The real blizzdrones are on mmo-champion.
A visit to the forums there will convince you that eugenics are the only answer.
>>334754746
Reddit, /v/, what's the difference anymore.
>>334737641
>Overwatch
Kek people are still excited for that? I'm only excited for all the porn that its spawning it great. Shit game in every regard though.
>blizz publicly states that they regretted having a year of no content before the next expansion
>say they're going to do better
>shorter cycles, less down time
>proceed to do the exact same thing
FOUR
EXPANSIONS
IN A ROW
>>334733449
>more ability's removed
>more garrisons I mean Class Halls
>50$
>more lore rape
>PvP turned into some kind of League of Legends clone
>>334754878
I don't know, MMOchamp forums tend to be just as hateful at /v/. Other than the official WoW forums, WoW is getting universal hate.
>>334754878
>The real blizzdrones are on mmo-champion.
Whatever could you be talking about?
>>334755114
It'll be different this time, they promised.
>>334733449
No. The game is pretty much a single player Facebook game. Legion makes it worse.
You need to get that Blizzard cock out of your mouth. The game is dogshit and has been since Wrath of the Bitch King.
>>334755114
they only said that to please their activision overlord's hardons for one boxed game per year franchises like CoD
So /v/, when will WoW become unprofitable?
>>334752113
thanks doc
>>334755669
Never.
It could have 100k players left, but those would be the most hardened blizzdrones imaginable, willing to shill out 50$ for their shitty mount reskins released on the cashshop every week.
As WoW has gone on Blizz has only gotten greedier, so we should expect things to get much worse in the future.
>>334755669
in 30 years or so
>>334753603
Maybe on twitter. Or maybe Reddit. Not here. 4chan doesn't matter to anyone that pays money.
>>334755669
It's profitable now?
>>334756002
are you stupid?
>>334756002
>made almost $900mil last year
>being this much of a dumbass
>>334755669
Never. There will always be a sizable amount of dick riders content with just the severs being on. It's not like they actually make any content that drives up cost and man-hours.
>Sever transfers
>Instant high level characters
>Mounts pets etc.
>Whole plethora of services
Easy money.
>>334737974
What pains me is that you pay 12.99 a month for that shit.
>>334756002
You really drank the /v/ koolaid didn't you?
>>334756072
>>334756075
>>334756192
Got any proof?
>>334756002
There are different measurements of success than profit anon :^)
>wow doing so bad that they're not even releasing the numbers any more and just relying on the cash shop
>>334756002
Going by the sub numbers, WoD at $50 each made $500 million (not factoring in taxes, retailer percentages, etc). Legion will probably get another similar sub spike. They can probably get away with a few more expansions before subs just get tired of the constant letdown.
>>334756329
If official business documents given to stockholders count as proof, yes. Otherwise no.
>>334756372
>There are different measurements of success than profit anon :^)
not really is either profitable or not and wow is.
Why haven't they tried releasing chunks of the final raid at a time, or a small pre-expansion raid, like Wrath did?
>>334756434
>Bullshit numbers given to investors to keep them optimistic without being honest
>Proof
>>334756389
They will never have to close WoW. It can cover its upkeep costs off less than 50k subs. They have said as much. And there are plenty of tricks they can use to make sure it never drops below 500k, like legacy servers. WoW is only going to die if Blizzard decides its going to.
>>334742675
thats ~2.5hours of work per month. Better off just payin 15$
>>334756635
By that logic, no company is profitable because you can't trust any numbers.
>>334756554
It would take away dev time from [insert expansion]
>>334756736
Pretty much.
>>334756645
You underestimate how poor people on /v/ are. Autism bux only go so far.
>>334733449
Fuck yes, Legion; HERE WE COME!
Blizzard is the DSP of developers.
>THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO
>EVERYONE IS JUST A HATER
>>334756783
Pretty sure that's illegal champ.
>>334756139
Does anybody here really pay for this game still? I've bought like a year and a half in tokens and my account is poor. A friend dropped almost a million on tokens and has time saved up for over two years or something.
>>334756859
I wish people still took in game gold for kills. I want me that mount.
>>334756635
>Lying to the people who own the company
>Can get fired and sued for making the smallest mistake with the numbers
Sounds like a smart idea.
>>334756897
It's illegal for companies to dump toxic waste into the water. They still do it and are able to get away with it.
>>334756987
No one that knows shit pays for subs, but most people that talk about WoW on here are so buttblasted they haven't actually played it in 5 plus years and dont even know game time tokens exist.
>>334757014
Lots of ways to hide your shitty revenue stream. Someone doesn't know what EBITA is.
>>334757010
You could just git gud.
>>334757010
There's a fair amount of guilds that take gold for mythic carries anon. Might have been harder to find some early on but they're out there.
>>334757014
>Actually believes corporations uphold their own rules
>Honor among thieves
Why do people think doing the same raid on a higher difficulty is content?
>>334756987
So many people I know who still play it are still too fucking lazy to grab game tokens.
Why do people think LFR is comparable to Mythic?
>>334757182
Gitting gud at gitting my ass in a guild that still does mythic arc and would bring me along is a million times more gud than I could ever git. I stopped playing like 8 months ago when my main was only 725 ilevel. No way I get into a farm guild and I'm not paying 100 real bucks for that shit.
>>334756987
Yes.
Every WOW token is paid by Whales who are so fucking lazy they can't even do their garrisons each day for gold.
>>334752850
>fifty dollar expansion
>one content patch
You couldn't make this shit up if you tried.
>>334733449
Is the WoW cycle real?
>>334757225
I guess I could look around since mythic is cross realm now. Probably won't bother though.
>>334757483
I think some guilds charge 1.5M for Arch and the mount right now. Might be less since it's so late into the tier.
>>334757323
And it's amazing just how lazy that really is. ONE well-equipped main garrison will reward you with enough gold from missions and items to buy a token on US over the course of a month. With master plan it's literally under 90 seconds a day.
Whats your trifecta for Legion? Serious answers only.
DK-Druid-Hunter
>>334757727
dh/pirate rogue/unholyl dk
>>334757541
>>334757706
grats on being expert shit-eaters
>>334757696
Like hell I'm paying literally 3 years of sub fees for a mount.
>>334757440
>>334757292
Because the modern MMO player thinks grinding the same thing repetitively is content
>>334739489
Do you people still need rotations or is auto attack enough?
I liked when I had to manage timers, rotations and cooldowns but perhaps I just liked a challenge.
>>334757727
Demo Lock/Balance Druid/Ret Paladin
Though you could replace demo lock with Brewmaster if brewmaster isn't "reworked" into oblivion.
>WoW: I come back to play just so I can feel the 5 stages of grief again.
Why do you do this to yourselves?
>>334739489
>level 107
>that severe lack of spells and abilities
Did they do another ability prune or something?
>>334757956
DPS is more competitive than it has ever been. If you want to compete for top logs, good luck, you'll literally need it.
>>334757997
They already brought it into line with the others and it feels incredibly underwhelming. It feels like you are following a very strict almost DPS like rotation to keep up your mitigation and having such little control over self healing or shielding life before makes it feel lackluster.
>>334758291
Then 3 dps it is. I will probably give DH a try but I doubt I'll stick with it. Brewmaster was my only tank love and hes dead I guess.
I still cant get over how Blizzard charges full price for expansions.
I mean I guess they get away with it through some shit like "Each expansion comes with all the others before it!" or whatever. Still shit.
>>334758245
>Missing Epidemic
>Literally the best AoE tool for unholy
Pretty sure he's shitposting
Frost's action bar is even smaller, but there wasn't much to prune compared to WoD.
>3 tiers in 3 years
>>334757440
>same bosses, same trash, same music, same items, still get the legendary ring, still in a raid group
All you don't get is titles and mounts, and you can get them when the next xpac rolls around anyway. Mythic is a waste of time, a trick to keep you subed to this shit game for longer than any sane person would.
I realized that shit back in BRF., when after we finally killed Blackhand with all that blood sweat and tears, Blizz expected us to start THE EXACT SAME FUCKING GRIND again. What a fucking joke.
>>334757696
>1.5M for Arch
You can get a mythic carry for like 100K on EU realms. What kinda crack you guys smokin on US?
>>334758645
>You can get a mythic carry for like 100K on EU realms
>the token alone cost like 120k in eu
haha ok kiddo
>>334758645
The bad kind. Some dipshit in my guild actually thinks we could sell for 2 million. That's how retarded people are right now.
His reasoning is, "B-But this guild on Illidan did it months ago!".
>>334758291
>having such little control over self healing or shielding life before makes it feel lackluster
tank power creeped heavily in mop/wod and needed to be brought back down
>>334758852
Funny because Paladin, DRK, and DH are mitigation and self healing monsters.
>>334758723
>the token alone cost like 120k in eu
Holy shit, what happened? It was around 50k when I stopped playing around 8 months ago.
>>334757727
Beta tester here
Ret Paladin/Outlaw Rogue/Arcane Mage are going to be the most fun class specs. The rest are more of the same or pure garbage.
>>334758245
Yes.
The problem is they're pruning DPS rotation abilities, which is fine, but not returning the shit that used to take up a hotbar, like your situation abilities.
Modern WOW hotbars can be summed up as 4-5 DPS buttons, 1-2 DPS cooldowns, 1-2 Mitigation/Movement cooldowns, and maybe an active trinket
>>334759002
Garrisons provide a steady income.
No new content means no new goldsinks.
Inflation happens
>>334758645
We do mythic mount runs in my realm for gold cap, and we're usually cheaper than most other realms. We have booked 13 runs and the list is only expected to grow even quicker now. Hell, next save we're going to mix mains and alts to get two groups going.
I seriously doubt it costs 100k on any realm. We also sell Blackhand mounts, and those go for 200k
>>334759046
>tfw I finally get to be a pirate and roll the bones
>>334757727
Warrior, Demon Hunter, Shaman.
>>334733449
Shill or going for a (you) record?
>>334758641
>same items
>>334758723
>>334759002
>>334759130
EU also has less Whales then america
>>334759143
I can't believe people spend the equivalent of 25 months of game time, ie, almost 400 dollars on a mount and achieve. For fucks sake.
Who is actually in alpha? Test for me which tank or DPS is the demigod of soloing old content. Its probably still DK but I would like to see if they brought Paladin, DH, Hunter, or Druid up to that level.
>>334759130
>WoD broke everything including the economy
What were they thinking?
>>334759382
Japan has the least whales
>>334759382
eu is too poor to buy tokens with real money.
>>334759435
Havoc DH probably. Huge dips and incredible self sustain with Soul Rending and Demonic.
>>334758641
>Same items
More like useless items.
You don't need mythic raid to do anything else in the game.
Mythic/Heroic/LFR is a fucking joke content wise, they should cut out all 3 of those fucking things, spend that time they spend retooling, pruning and adding debuffs to the same exact mob, and just create real content, like another raid tier or two, or maybe baby's first raids so casuals have something to do, like they did with ZG/AQ20/Kara/ZA
>>334752113
Devs themselves said that 6.1 GARRISON UPDATE didn't really constitute as a major patch.
So add the 6 months from that time to the 6.2 shit.
>>334759435
I wouldn't take anything going on in alpha to matter. Numbers tuning won't be done until fucking JULY. Probably keep going after release.
>>334759419
Yeah, I always inspect our clients to check how they're making all that gold for curiosity, and the sad thing is most of the people buying these mounts aren't even AH players, they straight up sell tokens. It's a bit more viable in EU than US since the token price is so high, but still, that's a lot of money down the drain.
>>334755508
>They will be back up to 12m+ subs when legion hits, and wont fall below 10m for the duration of the expansion.
>>334758641
God I wish I could get the really sweet mythic tier on the lower difficulties.
>>334734975
Most skill weren't necessary for more casual content, but I found that once I got into a hardcore raid group I was finding uses for everything I had. I've got about 26 skills on my hotbars right now and I use every single one of them.
>>334759630
I 100% agree.
In vanilla I had my main who ran BWL/AQ40 with his guild, and two alts, one who pugged ZG and AQ20, and the other who just ran dungeons and pvped.
There was a perfect spread of content to do based on how geared you were, and it was all different. Now you are expected to do the same thing on every character.
>>334759765
>They will be back up to 12m+ subs when legion hits
That could be right I mean pandaria went from like 5m to 10m.
>>334759615
Yeah I have been hearing about that instead of Vengeance strangely. Vengeance seems to have more self healing overall I had assumed, but many videos have shown me thats not necessary short of trying to fight a Warlords raid boss. Plus Havoc has that speed boost from mastery. How high can that be stacked?
>>334759786
Next expansion ;)
>>334759335
He'll never beat it
>>334759929
I can go back and get it sure. But I want it now.
>>334759854
Pandaria went from 9 to 10 and lost around 4 million over two years.
WoD went from 6.5ish to 10and lost five million in four months.
>>334760038
>and lost five million in four months.
I know but it still had a huge spike and it could happen again.
The problem isn't that they're pruning more of the retarded DPS rotation.
Its that they're not adding in situation abilities back into the game.
They've finally come to grips that you cannot have functionally different, RNG based class mechanics that are supposed to fill the same role without one spec pretty much out doing the others in every single way, if Mythic raiding wasn't such a meme, people would be up in arms about how (Insert favorite spec here) is not as good as mages or rogues.
>>334760131
Doubtful. I'd bet at least half of those people felt pretty burned by WoD.I did and have no plans to touch Legion.
>>334733449
hi /r/4chan xD
>>334759973
I guess you werent here when milo posted.
>>334760297
moot saying goodbye on /a/ is still the site record
>>334760131
>>334760038
>>334759854
>>334759765
WoD managed to recruit nearly everyone that was lost over the duration of MoP. And yet, it lost all of them in four months and continued to lose more in the following quarter. WoD managed to drive away not only those who resubbed, but a good chunk of those who were still playing, it was that bad.
LEGACY SERVERS
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>>334760565
I know how bad it was and I don't care if they lost most of them I said it could happen again I don;t know why this is so hard ot understand.
>>334737974
>>334738239
>>334738681
been done for a while
>>334760565
Note: This was before they stopped reporting sub counts and before HFC launched.
The game is even deader then before, what remains of my friends list is just someone playing D3 with her boyfriend.
>>334738407
I've spent over 1000 bucks on LoL. I bought champions I will never use
>>334760565
>WoD has less subscribers than Vanilla had half-way through it's life.
Fucking hilarious. And Blizz thinks the tripe they're offering is somehow better than Vanilla/BC(or even fucking Wrath which I disliked).
>>334760565
Reminder MoP could have saved us
>>334760920
I've spent 0$ on Dota 2 and have all content unlocked.
It was quite a grind let me tell you.
>>334761039
Yeah but I'd rather play lol than Dota
>>334746673
Holy shit.
>>334733003
>more than a year of HFC
>implaying we haven't been dealing with that in ICC/DS/SoO
>>334761183
I won't try and persuade you or anything. To each their own. I just like to get that jab in.
>>334761264
But ICC was funsorta
>>334761020
MoP barely dropped anyone though
The drop at the beginning was faggot edgelords who went "Kung Fu Pandas" and left
>>334761020
How?
It was dead out the gate, fucking pandas.
I literally thought it was a blizz joke, I was waiting for the "got em' good" for a week, then it turned out to be true..
I know they were in WC3 but that was A panda not a swarm of furries trying desperately to suck Asian dick while pandering to the kung fu panda generation in order to fix their subs.
That trainwreck was nothing but a desperate attempt to repair the damage done to the casual and Asian market.
Cata was the shot that killed it, everything after it is nothing but an attempt to save a dead game.
>>334761264
At least the average player base didn't beat ICC nromal in a month
>>334761461
mop was great
>>334733449
>2010+6
>still playing WoW
Fucking pathetic
>>334761419
I quit at the start if MoP because of the shitty daily system gated behind even more dailies and I felt like I was forced to do LFR to do normal raids. After four weeks of LFR with no drops I said fuck it and quit.
Does /v/ get off on shitting on WoW?
I mean you shit on the game yet you also play it
>>334761264
At least with ICC we got Ruby Sanctum halfway through. Starting in Cata with DS was where Blizz really started to get bad with content droughts. I don't know how this is still a problem they haven't addressed after three expansions.
>>334761517
Hell I never beat ICC during Wrath, and I tried every week.
>>334761419
Ironic since part of t14 revolved around fighting the spooky black/red/greyish essences of anger, rage and fear.
>>334761568
>1986+30
>Still playing video games
wew
>>334760565
I wouldn't doubt the sub numbers are close to 2.5 million now and most of them being in Asia.
>>334761521
No it fucking wasn't.
Stop this meme.
The dungeons were garbage
The end game was daily rep grinds.
And it was an entire raiding scene blighted by LFR, same with WOD
And it started the "everyone gets one" legendary bullshit we have now, the one thing players still had left to aspire to get was legendary items, now they're literally welfare gear.
>>334761736
Yes, that is my date of birth and age, your point?
>>334761595
>you also play it
I haven't played wow since Feb 2015.
>>334761794
yes it was
>>334761794
the legendary sucked but everything else was fine
>>334761865
Not him but my most vivid memory of MoP was killing frogs on TI
>People praising the end game on the forums circle jerk about achievement points.
>>334761461
MoP was bad when it came out.
The thing is, they actually fixed it. In 5.2, they released a patch that improved their game for the first time since Wrath, and sub numbers actually went up for the literal only time since Cata came out, not counting the spike at the start of an expansion.
You'd think that would have been obvious to someone at blizzard that people are willing to play their game if they actually put effort into developing it, but no, they proceeded to release nothing for the next year and WoD after that.
>>334761521
I didn't like kung fu panda nor did I like mop.
To me they look and feel the same, boring, forced jokes, no story and takes the audience for complete idiots
>you will never play a WC4 that has no campaign
>features factions for every playable race in WoW
>features enemy factions like the Qiraj, Legion, Black Dragonflight, Naga, Illidari, etc
>>334733449
>1/10 posts - Quest: Shilling on /v/
>Quest Reward - 1 (one) WoW Token
>>334762083
>quickmeme
indeed anon
>>334761794
Dungeons were, at worst, just decent. The handling of rep in the beginning was poor, but the end result of rep and daily questing in MoP was fine.
Who cares what a bunch of LFR babbies say. There's no "scene" in LFR.
>And it started the "everyone gets one" legendary bullshit we have now
I'll give you that.
>>334733003
What's that you say? HFC is SoO 2.0 and you are tired of a year between content? You think you are, but you ain't.
>>334733003
Illidan had more transformations than RPG final bosses
>>334761938
I'm not him but you must have be 14 when MoP came out. Timeless Isle, ToT raid, and SOO were ok. Everything else was terrible.
>>334747529
>guy
bakaudon is a qt IRL, look it up.
some sperg actually send death threat to her via twatter, it was hilarious.
>>334762150
I wouldn't call any of MoP's dungeons decent. Their nice to look at sure, but they were all incredibly easy, and generally boring. Just thinking about doing Niuzao again makes me cringe.
>>334762254
>Timeless Isle, ToT raid, and SOO were ok
>3/4 of the game
>3/4 of ok = terrible
>>334762505
To be fair, dungeons across the board are just incredibly easy and as a result boring now. Not something I'd knick MoP specifically for.
>>334761794
The dungeons were charming and nice to go through, they weren't challenging but that was due to a design shift done purposefully to satisfy shitters. Challenge modes were pretty fucking cool, too, if you did want something more difficult.
The end game was raiding and as many dailies as you felt like doing, if you didn't give a fuck about dailies, you could skip them and miss out on basically nothing. Additionally, there was a greater amount of end-game content than ever fucking before in the game's entire history. If you didn't like it, that's fine, but it was there. Getting farmer bro rep, doing the cloud serpent stuff, doing the fishing rep, all of the pet battle shit, archaeology was actually tolerable, Blizzard put a lot of effort into MoP and it showed. There were a lot of reputation grinds but many of them were different enough that I didn't mind doing them and liked some of the shit I got out of it.
LFR didn't "blight" anything. LFR served its purpose, and it sucked, and that's why Blizzard killed it with flex by making flex easy as fuck but way more tolerable than LFR, with better rewards, too.
MoP was, and still is, the best expansion they've ever released for the game from both a quality and quantity standpoint, and there are no metrics that you can show me to disprove this, I'm not even stating an opinion here really. It is objectively the best work, as a whole, they've ever done regarding WoW.
Anyone with the alpha have any experience with the tanks?
I'm interested in prot paladin, since they seem mechanically sound, but I keep hearing they're boring as fuck. Any truth to that?
>>334763117
Boring but incredibly good right now. They're about the same they have always been but flashier and better self healing/mitigation.
>>334762708
Mythic can be challenging somewhat in a few places
Though the "challenge" revolves heavily around the fact that a mistake will wipe an undergeared group in 2 seconds in some places
But yes once you get enough gear that you can be more picky about your groups it's right back to heroic style of play pull everything and aoe it down
>>334761794
>The dungeons were garbage
Agreed. From day one, they were a facerolling treadmill for even the simplest of mouthbreathers.
>>334763117
>flail weapon
paladins already won the tank race
Can i be gangplank now that rogues are pirates?
>>334762254
ToT was one of the best all time raids. Isle content was entertaining enough, plenty of pvp, and the tier didn't overstay it's welcome.
>>334763416
>and the tier didn't overstay it's welcome.
it was way too short imo
Will they ever make good dungeons again?
Without the LFD fagfest whining about everything, I think having massive dungeons for coordinated groups could really make a comeback, if they just fucking made them.
>>334763117
>I keep hearing they're boring as fuck
Legion tanks are all pretty boring right now, except for Brewmaster which is completely fucked. Nobody even bothers purifying Stagger currently as far as I know.
>>334762083
>takes the audience for complete idiots
Good to see Blizzard is sticking to their bread and butter.
Anyone in alpha that can confirm the unlock methods for the Blood DK artifact skins? Are the scythe ones for PvP? Gimme the truth doc.
Is it too late to get into WoW?
I've never played it before because fuck sub based games but after getting addicted to FFXIV I figured I might as well play this, but a lot of people are complaining about subs dropping, expansions being shit etc.
>>334763583
How's Veng Demonhunter? Historically the new tanks always end up with way too much utility, does it look like it'll be the same case for DHs?
>>334763824
Just wait until Legion. There is nothing for you in WoD.
>>334733449
honestly, it's just sad now. As much as I want wow to be good again, blizzard just wants to sweep the game under the rug.
>>334763867
Equally boring to play. Incredibly simple mitigation management. Many of their skills have innate self healing and a few methods of picking up nearby souls (see: Monk orbs) to heal.
>>334763947
Why do people keep saying these silly things? Why would any reasonable company want to destroy a successful product/franchise that is printing money? You guys are just trying to rationalize the changes that you personally dislike.
>>334763740
One for PvP is the one that sort of matches the MoP CM set. Scythe model is a reward for doing endgame content(Kill Guldan, Max level CM dungeon, ect)
>>334761794
The dungeons were bad. The actual content that Mists had was fantastic.
>>334746787
>DFO #3
Wait seriously?
>>334763740
>>334764081
link to the scythe models?
>>334763580
I'd just be happy if they had more. The amount of dungeons in WoD was pitiful, and you were guaranteed to run each one 20 times to get geared for HFC.
The only thing they had going for them was settings and some of the bosses dialogue was a nice touch
>>334763986
I don't suppose any of the alpha tanks come close to BoS DK right now, do they? It didn't seem like it last I checked, but I haven't kept up with tanks for a few months.
>>334763117
All the fun in tanking was sucked out when threat became a non-issue
I remember at a moments notice a CC could break early and i'd have to stance dance intercept and taunt before it fucked the healer.
Paladin healer was fucking balls to the walls when it was good too, tanking half the waves in Hyjal and getting a ton of close calls
>>334746787
>DFO #3 in 2015
Wow is this real? I thought the game was starting to die again.
I was hyped for it, played for a months and then gave up on it. Didn't know it was popular again.
>>334733956
Burning crusade end game sucked dicks.
Burning Crusade PvE class balance sucked dicks.
Burning Crusade non-raid end game content as well sucked dicks.
Why do people ride TBC's cock so much? Even the vanilla fags I understand a little bit, but I'll never get people's love for TBC.
>>334763740
The scythe model unlocks when you complete the "Ancient Power" quest.
No idea on what that is. Could be from maxing out an artifact. Could also be from the DK campaign quests.
PvP one is called Executioner. Can't really take a pic since the display is buggy atm and it obstructs the view of the artifact.
Check at the DK Blood artifact part in this link:
http://www.wowhead.com/news=250059/legion-beta-all-artifact-weapon-models
>>334764428
tbc had content which means leagues more than anything else
>>334763824
Nerdcubed just recently tried it out for the first time as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zeu1tkLhjZc
I wouldn't if I were you
Alpha legion is quite polished.
Beta will be media blitz time.
I imagine quite a few people will be invited onto beta, and Blizzard will want praise to be spread by word of mouth. Get the old streamers back into the fold, have them generate views and build hype, word gets around to players that Legion is good and way better than WoD enticing players to sign back up.
Blizzard has already been tuning numbers, which means most specs will remain intact as they are (barring a huge, yet unforeseeable synergy/bug) If you aren't happy with how your favorite spec is shaping up (RIP frost mage) too bad.
Artifact trees will largely be untouched - any game breaking scaling issues will likely be ignored and tuned after a large % of people reach Legion end-game. Blizzard understood this early, which is why pvp stats are being normalized to a table. Don't expect knee-jerk reactions to fotm (see Demon Hunters) for the first few months of pvp, but expect the first few rounds of nerfs hit healers first.
Demon Hunters are going to be powerful for much of the expansion, just accept it now.
>>334764428
Because it was the first time end game was relevant for more then 6% of the playerbase.
It was the first time they felt elite when really, they were the norm, getting carried through Kara and Gruul by badge farmers
>>334764428
>almost all specs are viable
>fun dailies
>great raids
>no more foreced 40
because it was better than memenilla
>>334764513
I think that quest is related to class hall quests.
>>334764680
>Demon Hunters are going to be powerful for much of the expansion, just accept it now.
They don't feel very strong right now.
>>334764428
The content execution was bad, but at least it had stuff to do.
>>334737974
That's not even the "Account Expires in 2038" one.
>>334755114
Thing is the expansion turn around is too much as it is. More over, the vertical gear climb has been imploding for too many expansions now.
It's pretty fucking retarded when players have more of an attachment to their pets and mounts than anything else. Now with the rampant ability pruning, how can you even feel attached to a class/spec that will feel even more lifeless or foreign next expansion?
PRIEST OR DROOD HEALER FOR LEGION?
>>334764661
>gotta be blood for that
fug. What am I, not lazy?
artifact skin loser:
>2nd to last: arms warrior
>dead last: outlaw rogue
Seriously, who the fuck thought those 2 specs artifacts were passable?
>>334760491
Who?
>>334764680
They don't even look that good. It's a lot of hopping around but not much substance, utility or damage. Pretty sure Fury Warrior is going to be the class to watch in 2's.
>>334764753
>They don't feel very strong right now.
The trick that will keep them from being OP unlike previous classes that have been added is that all stuff for Demon Hunters looks really simple
>>334764937
rogues have a thunderfury skin
>>334764937
It's not really the same thing, but unholy does get a sickle as an alternate skin for Apocalypse.
>>334764937
The two new variants for arms and outlaw are pretty good. Destro one is still pretty bland, as are the assassination ones.
>>334734338
Death Knights have had a class hall since WotLK and it's an extremely antisocial experience. World quests I'm enthusiastic about, but class halls will do nothing for the game community
They don't give a fuck. They don't bother publicizing sub numbers anymore so the there's no pressure to keep people playing. WoD is dead and took 70% of the game's population with it, and the best they're hoping for is a reasonable surge in September.
>>334733449
The expansion is quite literally WoD 2.0. They practically debuted it as such. The only good thing coming out of it is the revamped transmog system, but even that is a horrible casual system that screwed with the natural format of the game when it was first introduced (as nice as it was).
If WoW ever goes "back to its roots", you will see them remove a huge amount of horrible features that they've tacked on to the game over the years. The game cannot be good until stupid shit like garrisons and collections have every line of code deleted from the game.
>>334764410
only in china though
a lot of games there are only popular in china but they still gross in top 10
New piece of bread:
>>334766335
>>334766335
>>334766335
>>334765836
>let's make garrisons!
>garrisons make faction cities useless, so let's not even bother with those
>everyone's mad that there's no cities
>nobody likes farmville: WoW edition
>nerf professions to bump up the building count
>now there's literally no friendly interaction
>let's make garrison 2.0: class halls!
Time will tell how badly they'll fuck this up
