Why is it okay when Obsidian does it but wrong when Bioware does it?
Does what, a cool scientist companion?
>>334720998
>Obsidian
>Veronica only mentions that she was in a gay relationship when you ask her about
>Arcade only ever mentions being attracted to men when you pry him about his life story
>Bioware
>goes out of their to mention how much they like to suck cock and how prgressive they are
>>334720998
because biowEAre stole muh mass effect perfect ending from me
>>334720998
Because Veronica and Arcade tell you about their preferences only if you actually talk more to them, their entire characters is not "Being gay".
Bioware have gay characters that only have the "I take cocks in my ass" trait and shove it down your throat.
>>334720998
>why is it okay when they're written well but wrong when they're one dimensional tokens?
ftfy
>>334720998
Here's the deal, when Bioware does it, their characters make sure you fucking know that they're flaming faggots and base their entire characters on that fact and even advertise how diverse their cast is.
Obsidian just mentions, here's this scientists guy who was previously with the Enclave and he's trying to keep that past hidden. Oh and he's gay, but check out all that medical and tech knowledge he's got.
Because "gay" is not his defining character trait.
>>334720998
It's okay when either do it though
>>334720998
Because Bioware wouldnt let me date Grunt.
>>334720998
I don't really get it either. I understand the argument that>>334721227 is saying but take Dorian for example. He only mentions it if you ask him about his homeland and why he left. The problem imo is Bioware tries to market its gay characters like Dorian when they aren't really that flamboyantly gay while obsidan doesnt really care and just has characters some of which are gay. Kind of the same reason Im okay with the gays in Borderlands because most of them douchebags and murderers. If the gay characters are just regular shmucks it doesnt really matter to most.
>>334720998
Because you can play the game 4 times before even realizing arcade was gay
My friend and I had a length discussion about which of the Borderlands girls were most likely to be giga futa.
He mentioned Janey Springs, but I rebutted his argument by stating, "If she had a dick, she'd fucking tell you about it."
Jesus christ if there was any lesbian more hamfisted in to something before than this, then I don't know who it is.
>>334721912
which is really unrealistic
>>334722184
Grunt is,like, your son, Anon.
>>334720998
There's a slight difference between picking up small undertones in dialogue and having "IM GAY LOL" shoved in your face every other sentence.
Nice try though, Arcade is a well-written. Can't really say much for anything coming from Bioware.
It's alright because I can pretend Arcade isn't a huge cum guzzling faggot
>>334722341
>Dorian
Everyone know he was gay before the game even released anon. Bioware made sure of that
>>334722856
I wish I could pretend you aren't
>>334720998
>>334722946
I'm not a video game
he's gay? Shit he was my go to companion
Fucking dropped
>>334722592
...So?
>>334723068
you are a fag though
>>334723206
For you
>>334723206
>>334721796
But gay people in real life are just walking tokenism. They might as well just walk around with a dildo in their ass and a big rainbow sign that reads "I'M FUCKING GAY!!"
>>334723625
There is nothing wrong with faggots in vidya being flaming gay
>>334723625
And everyone rightfully shits on those people too. Nothing can protect you if you're a boring sack of shit with no personality outside of your sexuality.
>>334723625
Fun fact, there are at least as many straight people who can't shut up about how much they love the pussy.
Also, those are only the gays you know are gay. Even gays hate those faggots.
>>334723967
>Fun fact, there are at least as many straight people who can't shut up about how much they love the pussy.
That's such a natural part of life for straight people that they don't even notice that they do it anymore.
>>334723206
>>334723967
Yeah, because there's like 20x more straight people in the world.
>>334724426
And it's equally obnoxious.
>>334724490
Or 20x more obnoxious.
>>334724641
Or that.
Because they didn't shoehorn it in by making the player know that he likes the dick every 10mins.
but bioware did make a character similar to him and it was a pretty good quality one
>>334724950
Mordin was the best.
But the issue is about homosexuals
>>334720998
because obsidian has the capacity to write characters who happen to be gay whereas bioware just write characters that are gay. being gay is their character.
>>334720998
Because Obsidian did it well, you dumb fucking Normie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0YVNimYUlg
>>334725039
I fail to see how it is, his sexual preferences aren't an overtly big part of Arcade's personality after all and the op didn't specify them so if we're looking for similar characters I'd say the idealistic scientist/doctor with a checkered past is a vastly more important part to his character
and it also adequately describes mordin
>>334722926
Yeah thats what I said retard. The problem was marketing but the character himself didn't reveal he was gay unless you asked about him and progressed his personal story some
>>334725392
That's the thing, being a homosexual didn't have too much of an impact on Arcade's character which is good because it shouldn't have. We're talking about how Bioware advertised their characters' selling points as being gay
>>334720998
What about Gay Tony?
I thought Steve was alright.
>>334720998
Because they actually write gay characters where it isn't their only defining trait.
Comparing Veronica or Arcade to "PROMISE ME STEVE" is completely one-sided.
STEEEEEEEVE
>>334725651
he just happens to be flamboyantly gay
>>334725605
>That's the thing, being a homosexual didn't have too much of an impact on Arcade's character which is good because it shouldn't have.
a sexuality sure as fuck has a major influence on any persons life decisions, may it be a straight or a gay person. your pretty retarded if you think otherwise.
>>334726431
depends on the person
the influence is much lower in someone who's interests are largely non-sexual
>>334726431
>your pretty retarded if you think otherwise.
>>334726637
sexuality is not only about sex. relationships are one of the most intimate bonds two people can have and are heavily influenced by wether the person is straight, gay or even asexual.
>>334725605
I've beaten NV like half a dozen times and I didn't even know Arcade *was* gay.
>>334727072
didn't mean sexual as in only sex
a person who has innate issues or is simply not particularly interested in forming those type of intimate bonds will not experience it as strongly as you'd suggest it would
>>334727189
>innate issues
what kind of?
>is simply not particularly interested in forming those type of intimate bonds
>simply
a person not being interested for various reasons isn't uncommon but usually the circumstances leading the person to not being interested are negative experiences. simply not being interested is rather unusual. but i admit my statement is more accurate if i say the vast majority of people are heavily influenced by their sexuality.
>>334727557
would having to constantly hide your parentage from everyone you meet out of a justified fear you would be shunned and even imprisoned for a heritage that ended before you were even born constitute as sufficient negative experiences that could lead to intimacy and general relationship issues?
>>334723625
David Gaider pls
>>334723625
I'm bi/gay but I don't talk about it. None of my friends know it, neither do my parents or basically anyone I'm not directly sexually involved with. Because it's not a huge deal nor is it a big part of who I am. I'd rather be defined by other traits rather than where I want to stick my cock.
>>334727841
no way for me to know. if you feel like it is the reason then it's likely that it is the reason for your issues. if it's sufficient is subjective, but obviously reasons are "sufficient" if it lead to issues.
>>334728306
wasn't talking about me, was talking about the character of Arcade Ganon who's entire family were Enclave members and in several endings gets imprisoned or killed for it
>>334728142
that sounds pretty terrible.
>>334728772
Well yeah, it is. I can't help but feel that if I was out, my friends would change the way they talk to me or just see me differently, which is definitely something I don't want.
>>334728840
do you feel like they wouldn't get over it? i mean yeah they probably change a little in the beginning but if you don't really change things should go back to normal pretty quickly, no?
>>334729298
I don't really know. Honestly, it's just not worth the trouble. Being out wouldn't improve anything significantly and raise quite a lot of issues so I'm content just never mentioning anything sentimental. Not that I'm a huge fan of talking about that anyway.
>>334721227
>Obsidian
>Ask Veronica if she'd ever been in love
>"Yeah, but we went our separate ways. I wonder where she is now. The Brotherhood promotes procreation because of our numbers blah blah blah sensible explanation"
>Ubisoft
>"OH HEY LEMME TELL YA ABOUT MY WIFE. DID I MENTION I HAVE A WIFE? I FUCKING LOVE MUNCHING CARPET. GO SAVE MY LESBO WIFE PLEASE."
>>334726431
>a sexuality sure as fuck has a major influence on any persons life decisions, may it be a straight or a gay person. your pretty retarded if you think otherwise.
Well shit anon, I was wondering why I was denied for that business loan but now I realize it was because I had a half dozen cocks jammed balls deep down my throat and another dozen stuffed up the backdoor while I was petitioning at the bank. You really cleared up how my sexuality played directly into my life decisions. If only I weren't gay, things could have been different. Bank managers love when you drag your girlfriend in and start fucking her pussy in the middle of a meeting while slapping her tits around.
>>334720998
Obsidian doesn't force ''LOOK HE'S GAY WOW'' in your face
>>334732007
The fuck are you talking about
>>334730797
> I FUCKING LOVE MUNCHING CARPET.
>>334723625
Wrong. I've been called "a straight guy that likes guys" by some friends before because they wanted a gay friend but I couldn't stand that stereotypical stuff they wanted me to do.
I actually liked Dorian. He was like a manlier sarcastic version of Alistair that didn't get pissy whenever you choose to do some thing that he doesn't like. His personal side quest was stupid though, like he has a legit reason for being pissed at his family, but Gaider should have left his own daddy issues out of the game, especially when none of the straight characters personal quest revolved around their straightness.
It's always the same with you /v/. You always say you have no problem with gay characters unless they're badly written, and then your examples are always some massively exaggerated strawmen you came up with just to hate those characters.
And for every characters someone claims is an example of how to do it right (unlike whichever character he is mad about at the moment, obviously), there is someone else proclaiming that very character to be everything wrong with SJW pandering immersion breaking CultMarx propaganda.
It seems the only characters exempt from this are characters from games /v/ likes anyway. And the gay characters /v/ hates are always from games /v/ hates anyway. Huh. Could there be an ulterior motive here?
>>334732746
???
>>334723625
I think you need to leave your house and see the real world anon
Getting your information about the outside world off of /v/ and /pol/ isn't doing you any good
>>334732746
>/v/ is one person
>>334725651
That was his title, and that's what the people of Liberty City knew him as, Gay Tony
>>334733895
/v/ is a lot of very stupid persons who will readily hate anything put in front of them for the reasons provided and then tell you it's their own opinion.
>>334720998
I didn't even know Arcade was gay until I read his wiki entry.
>>334732638
>I've been called "a straight guy that likes guys" by some friends before because they wanted a gay friend but I couldn't stand that stereotypical stuff they wanted me to do.
Have you consider that your friends are mentally retarded?
>>334730797
Actually Ubisoft's was more like
>woman casually mention's her wife in a conversation, which married people tend to do
But it's best to lie and exaggerate to fit the narrative, right? Do you have 5 page long rant about how triggered you are on the Steam community hub that I can upvote?
>>334734348
I said it more kindly
>>334722390
Only gay character I had a problem with in Borderlands was Janey. Tiny Tina, Moxxi, Torgue, Hammerlock, Athena, they were cool characters with cool backstories and when they ended up being canonically gay or bi you didn't care because they still had personality. Janey just keeps saying she's into chicks.
Honestly though if a hetero male character kept saying he was into fucking women and constantly confirming his sexuality to me out of the blue I don't know how I'd be as upset with it as I am with Janey. Even in the real world though, jocks who just brag about banging chicks are seen as obnoxious alphas so that would probably translate the same way in-game.
There are Casanova characters and then there's characters like Janey Springs.
>>334734495
Not the anon, but that was some trivial non-issue /v/irgins complained about on The Division. A lot of other posts mention Dragon Age and Mass Effect's hamfists and tokenisms. Ignore this anon.
I figure nearly everyone in the Fallout universe is at least bi. Can't you still fuck Benny as a dude?
>>334734714
Benny doesn't swing that way, baby.
bioware fags are pandering to degenerates
obsidian fags are trying to make you think being a fag isn't degenerate
which one is really worse?
>>334735446
>obsidian fags are trying to make you think being a fag isn't degenerate
>Implying it isn't
There's a reason why the NCR's the best faction.
>>334734704
I know, but I had a feeling I had to argue against it before a circlejerk of misinformation happened.
>>334735691
the whole "character is a normal person except he sucks cock" thing is normalization propaganda. the fact that so many people on /v/ think that it's good character writing proves how effective it is.
>>334734495
And then you have a big sidequest where you save her wife who for some reason is in the middle of a warzone playing the piano
I'm honestly not sure what they were going for with that at all
>Arcade
>Kinda guessed he might be gay from his voice and general demeanor but wasn't entirely sure
>Eventually says some pretty gay but hilarious shit about Legion, cementing the guess
>Overall well written character who also happens to be a fag but is only mentioned as a small aspect of his character
>Dorian
>Literally the first thing I know about him before EVEN KNOWING THAT HE'S A WIZARD is that he's gay thanks to Bioware's marketing tactics
>Entire character is an allegory for being gay and unaccepted by society.
I wouldn't say he's even a bad character, but he's a decent character hiding behind a label.
>>334735446
>degenerate
Obsidian characters are written as characters.
Bioware characters are written as sex objects.
Bioware are sexists.
>>334736004
>normalization propaganda
Yes, you're so enlightened, we're the dumb sheeple, etc, etc.
I guess every other gay character in every story/myth created before the 21st century is "normalization propaganda" too, right?
>>334736004
m'/pol/acck
>>334720998
because new vegas actually had good writing
>>334736613
Why do people post this pic as if that person looks terrible? If they got rid of the trench coat, beard and fagdora they would actually look normal. Its not like its fucking pamperchu levels of retarded
>>334736004
Have you ever sided with the NCR?
>>334737329
>If they got rid of the trench coat, beard and fagdora they would actually look normal.
Because he's still a nerdy looking fat guy trying to look badass by holding a fucking gun while looking coldly into the camera.
Also, trigger discipline.
>>334737329
Because modern /pol/ is worse than that. It's just a bunch of normies that have mistaken what was originally (someone please post the qunitin comic) parody and assumed it's board/site culture. Maybe some true stormfags here and there, but mostly posers.
>>334732638
I think you need new friends. They sound like shit.
>>334720998
I only found out he was gay when I read a thread here. I did 2 playthroughs with him and I never knew that.
>>334737776
found it
Obsidian can write, Bioware cannot anymore.
There are additional flirting/romance options unlocked with the straight perks as well, Lady Killer and Black Widow. I won't compare the two but New Vegas does a good job at not shoving anything in your face. It feels believable.
>>334736004
>normalization propaganda
This is Tumblr-tier stuff
>>334736890
>>334739725
if you haven't noticed this happening for the last few years you must literally be the ostrich with his head in the sand
>>334738134
>>334738946
The perk system's great. I only wish they played a little more with it.
>No perk to become a Ghoul, with all the advantages and disadvantages that this gets to you
>No perk to have mutations because of the radiation, like the capacity to carry a one-handed weapon along with your two-handed weapon because you have a third arm now
>No perk to affect your bodymass and how people see you because of it (Big guyfor you= Feared and respected, a more resistant to damage and you do more meele damage but you loss -1 agility/little guy = Subestimed by many, but a lot faster and easy to not be seen by the enemy, etc)
They really could play with the radiation theme a little bit more, I suppouse.
>>334736613
Too big of a word for you?
i played the game without even realizing they were gay. although i did mostly use boone to slaughter everything for me
>>334720998
Because they did it right. I don't care about there being homosexuals in games. I care when its shoehorned like fucking crazy
>>334739858
What is the bad thing here?
Making gay characters?
>>334739858
All I've noticed is that writers have learned how to flesh out LGB characters beyond tokenism. I don't read into it as much as you, autismo.
>>334740435
Normalizing homosexuality, despite the fact that they're ~3% of people at most.
If media tried the same shit with transgender people most anons here would call it out right away.
>>334740235
It's a word used to completely dismiss whole concepts and refusing even to think about them, because you've branded them as bad
>>334740709
I still have no idea what you're getting at, it's not like New Vegas tries to say that everyone is gay
I don't get it either, really. It's pretty simple in both games; if you want a romantic dialogue, choose the option that specifies that type of response. People bitching about how they got "tricked" into a gay relationship in Dragon Age are just being stupid.
That being said, Bioware is more hamfisted about their dialogue. They mostly just don't know how to write it without sounding ridiculously corny, but that's what you get when you hire mostly a bunch of fat feminists that only know shitty smut novels with exceedingly fanciful conversations.
Bioware method is more realistic though
because its entirely possible to not even know arcade is gay an entire play-through, it's also not even a defining trait for him
>>334742123
are you in high school or something? gay people in the real world act like everyone else. actually now that i think about it it would make sense if all of biowares writers were still in high school.
>>334723625
There's a huge difference between being gay and being a faggot.
>Its okay if they're gay as long as they're quiet about it
What's wrong with flamboyance?
