>doesn't play like tf2
>doesn't have aesthetic like tf2
>doesn't have movement options like tf2
>doesn't even aim for the same market as tf2
Why are we comparing overwatch and tf2 again? They're completely different.
It would be more fruitful to compare overwatch to games like Brink, titanfall and battleborn.
one has boobs and the other has hats.
Nice thread faggot
Overwatch is much more similar to tf2 than any of those other games
Kill yourself retard
>>334708162
It's more like a working monday night combat than tf2
>>334707318
Battleborn sets itself apart from Overwatch in its PvE and various PvP modes that Overwatch doesn't have.
Brink a shit.
Never played Titanfall but it seemed cool, besides the auto-aiming hitscan pistol shenanigans.
>having a "western dev character" waifu
utterly despicable
>>334707318
Because you have to push the cart man, just like in TF2!!!
>>334710813
this is a very large point considering very few other games have a similar mode
>>334708425
Not really.
>>334707318
>Brink
There is some form of vertical mobility in this game, but I wouldn't say it was focused on it like Brink was supposed to be.
>Titanfall
Only mech in the game is Mei, and she has it all the time.
>Battleborn
This one is closer to an assfaggots and has a skill tree, minions, and levels.
TF2 probably is the closest.
>>334710527
>wanting PvE
>>334711382
>not wanting pve mixed with pvp
ultra pleb
>>334711184
TF2 in terms of what, kits?
Its way more like super mnc considering the game is all about pushing properly.
>Build juice/your ult
>Use juice/your ult
>Push/kill entire team
>Win/advance
>>334707318
>Battleborn
>anything like Overwatch
The only commonality they have is that they're both first person and you shoot things. Overwatch is a first person shooter. Full stop. It doesn't really get any deeper than that. Battleborn is a MOBA (or assfaggots if you want to call it that). With skill trees, multiple multiplayer modes, a single player/split screen aspect, buyable defenses, and stat changing equipment.
What I love most are the people who claim Battleborn isn't worth $60, more like $20, because of lack of content but then praise and jizz all over Overwatch for $40 even though it has LESS content than Battleborn.
>>334712290
>>334712356
>>334711117
it really is the game monday night combat wanted to be. As for how long Overwatch will last, I cant vouch for it.
>>334711382
>20 tickrate
>>334712290
TF2 is very much about pushing properly too, unless you are tryharding and playing it with "competitive" rules.
It's like casual TF2, how about that.
>>334711382
>I-I-I don't even want that
>I asked blizzard and they said I think I want that but I really don't
And overwatch would have made sense for there to be PvE considering they are supposed to be peace keepers or whatever retarded lore there is behind the game.
>>334713385
>wanting to play against braindead bots
>thinking everyone else wants to as well
>>334713501
Man not everyone wants to PvP either. Having it as an option for those that do is fine. I'm not really into PvE but you're being retarded right now. More options for players is generally a good thing.
>>334713501
>can't have both
Are you actually retarded? I get that you are a blizzdrone and everything but seriously.
>>334707318
Valve invented character classes and guns
>>334713701
Maybe Blizzard will make a co-op mode like tf2 in the future, who can tell?
>>334713827
>for an extra $20
Overwatch would be laughed out of the fucking internet if it wasnt developed by blizzard
well team fortress kinda did so i dont see your point.
Team bases game with classes
>>334713701
>>334713757
>wasting time developing "options" for preteens and ultracasuals
>admitting you're shit at PvP
>>334712974
TF2 is casual.
>>334714215
Lots of people wish it wasn't so, enough that they're making a competitive mode for it.
I'm sure you're aware of the competitive ruleset autism on some servers.
>>334712974
I wouldn't say it's more casual off the bat.It's early access and stuff, but I have my qualms.
>There's no advanced movement options a la rocket/sticky jumping.
In tf2 you can even use enemy projectiles to alter your trajectory. There's no advanced tech in overwatch. It's pretty much what you see is what you get.
>low tickrate
I'm actually genuinely surprised by 20 tickrate servers, The default in tf2 is 66. Casual shitfest tf2 pubs get a higher server response? What is blizzard doing?
>Instakill abilities
I get the impression that HotS is floundering and Blizzard is trying to tap in to this strange middleground market of people who want a new tf2 and people that like League of Legends.
>Art style is eclectic
I'm actually genuinely disappointed that a Blizzard game has such a non-unified art style.
by comparison tf2's art style is glorious and only looks shit when people wear shitty limegreen painted hats.
http://www.valvesoftware.com/publications/2007/NPAR07_IllustrativeRenderingInTeamFortress2.pdf
All in all, I'm apprehensive. We'll see where Overwatch is in 6 months. My only concern is this is blizzard we're talking about.
While I agree that it doesn't play like TF2 at all and that's a good thing (and this is from someone who has 1000+ hours on TF2 from back in the day), the game gets compared to it because the art style is incredibly similar and it IS aiming for the same market. It's the casual FPS market.
And the fanservice is minor enough that I doubt that's a big part of what they're trying to target. It's just manchildren blowing things out of proportion because Tracer is blatant waifu bait.
Sigh. I really wish people took an interest in the other characters. Tracer doesn't go beyond 'I'm cute and have a voice of a 10-year-old girl teehee'. I can't fathom why people like her.
But hey, if it works, it works.
>>334714326
>In tf2 you can even use enemy projectiles to alter your trajectory. There's no advanced tech in overwatch. It's pretty much what you see is what you get.
This is in Overwatch, too. Pharah can air rocket, and while she can't rocket jump with her rockets, she can with one of her skills. Her rockets will also alter your trajectory. OW's advanced tech probably comes from things like Genji's movement, Lucio's wallrunning, or Mercy's gliding.
The rest of what you said looks cogent.
>>334714326
>There's no advanced movement options a la rocket/sticky jumping.
there is
>>334714318
I used to play ugc HL when I was in uni. Weapon bans are only in place because they make the game unfun or were literally broken. Valve didn't fix weapons for months or years on end. Can you believe how long it took for valve to fix the fucking stickybomb launcher?
>>334707318
>doesn't play like tf2
It's a class based shooter involving team work. It doesn't play like source game though, so you're right about that it's more modern.
>doesn't have aesthetic like tf2
You could argue it has worse asthetic, but that's more taste than anything. Some of the characters look really good and some look really bland or uninspired like Bastion or Genji.
>doesn't have movement options like tf2
It does actually have a lot of movement options depending on the character. Pharah can actually rocket jump, surprisingly. But I mean it isn't like every character in TF2 had movement options, the Heavy and Pyro couldn't do anything like the Soldier or Scout could.
>doesn't even aim for the same market as tf2
The FPS market? Valve have always had a pretty niche audience they pander to with their games. Portal 2 was designed for a larger demographic but TF2 did bring in a lot of other people over time, furries and bronies mainly. Also Yaoi artists, Jesus.
I never got the comparisons either. This game is pretty good but it's not similar to TF2 gameplay wise. The game modes are similar but that's about it.
>>334714587
Pretty much every character has tech, I dunno what he's talking about. Fucking tracer by herself is almost as techy as the entirety of the tf2 cast.
>>334714428
She is one of high skill ceiling characters, though, so maybe people like that.
>>334714787
yes i can, because i played tf2 a bunch too
>>334714861
For however long this game has been playable, not once have I seen a person saying they like Tracer because she's fun to play.
Which is a shame, because she really is.
>>334714821
>some look really bland or uninspired like Genji
I WILL FIGHT YOU
>Blizzdrones are so desperate to defend their game they have to have multiple threads shitposting about how other games are worse than theirs is
Its seriously just sad that you think just because its better than other games(even though its not imo)that this makes it good.
>>334715034
I'm just not big on the whole cyborg thing all the characters have. They all kind of mesh together and look like things I've already seen before. Like really over designed and messy kind of feeling.
>>334714821
most of the maps are visually good looking
>no co-op horde mode
dropped hard
>>334707318
It's an arena shooter like tf2
>>334707318
>doesn't play like tf2
Except the ultimate skill and the tickrate...yes.
>doesn't have aesthetic like tf2
Comparing a 2007 game with a 2016 one.
>doesn't have movement options like tf2
Literally the same movement options
>doesn't even aim for the same market as tf2
Literally the same market plus blizzdrones.
>>334714215
Smash is casual but there is a distinct difference between casual smash and competitive smash.
>>334715372
You know what had a really fun co-op horde mode?Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer
>>334707318
Because it was marketed as the "tf2 killer"
>>334715317
That's definitely their strong point. However, while playing the beta I felt that Hanamura in particular was unbalanced to the defending team and not well designed to fit some of the heroes.
I don't know, I didn't get to play as much as I wanted to.
>>334715168
Chuck on a skin.
>>334715526
I didn't quite understand why Hanamura required some form of mobility that many heroes didn't have in order to access the side entrance to point B, forcing you to split your team.
Besides that, it was okay.
>>334707318
Because finally we have a game that's like a successor to tfc, and the tf2 fans are butthurt
>>334715563
This is what I wish the default was, kind of like the golden helmet-less armor for Reinhardt. But it just all comes down to personal taste.
>>334715510
I don't understand why you are putting that in spoilers
Anyone who says mass effect 3 multiplayer wasn't great and the epitome of a god tier horde mode is just salty about bioware fucking up the story mode
one day 4chan will understand that overwatch is actually a game that stands on its own.
one day...
maybe not though if this feud keeps pumping out more tracer fanart damn i love those
>>334715563
>Young Genji and Hanzo aren't part of the Origins pack
Why though, it would make so much sense.
>>334714587
>Pharah can air rocket, and while she can't rocket jump with her rockets, she can with one of her skills
that's the point. The skill ceiling is lower. Blizzard does this for every game.
>>334716064
If only Tracer's ass was half as big as that picture shows.
>>334716064
>one day 4chan will understand that overwatch is actually a game that stands on its own.
Overwatch is on EA's Battlefront tier. A Multiplayer-Only Shooter for 60 bucks with poor options and content. But it's from Blizzard so "it has to be gut".
>>334716064
The majority of the hate is from people who've never played the game and just watched youtube/streams.
I had a couple of friends who spouted the same 'lol Blizzard lol tf2 clone lol tickrate' bullshit until they got to play it.
Now they're counting the days till open beta starts.
>>334716064
But its literally not. Its waifu's aren't even as good as some of disney's and they are the only reason people talk about the game
>>334707318
>Overwatch and TF2 not similar
>Junkrat is literally Demoman
>>334716392
Exactly, it's fucking bullshit.
>inb4 "top kek blizz shills"
>>334716459
>and they are the only reason people talk about the game
This, if the game didn't have hot females there would be zero discussion about it on /v/. It's a bland, mediocre shooter that decided to play it safe and include no interesting modes, no co-op, no singleplayer etc. It's boring, something I expect from a F2P game, however this is also full price.
>>334707318
>They're completely different
No they are not, and overwatch even blatantly copied shit from TF2. There should be absolutely no doubt left for a thinking human being that the games are pretty similar.
And this should not be a problem either. I personally welcome the game.
>>334716584
Or maybe, just maybe, it's the fact that the game's not out yet and only a few people got to play it, so most people can ONLY talk about waifus.
Or, you know, the fact that we're on 4chan and everyone only gives a shit about tits and ass and rarely anything else gets discussed.
But I'm sure you're right.
>>334716584
It's the only reason people talk about the game because up until recently the vast majority of people were unable to play the game in the first place.
>>334711184
>Only mech in the game is Mei, and she has it all the time.
*D.Va
She also doesn't have it all the time as when it explodes she runs around on foot until she can call another one in
>>334716771
>>334716762
>I-I-It's just a beta
come on guys, really. If you don't want to be called out as a shill then at least stop being such a biased fanboy.
>>334707318
Because TF2 is the closest game with the same concept.
Go on to youtube and look up a basic TF2 scout guide.
Learning how to play a scout (but not actually playing a scout) basically teaches you how to play every offence hero but pharah and also how to play D.Va.
Look up a guide on how to lead shots as soldier, huntsman sniper, or medic and that covers like a third of the roster in overwatch. Pharah, Genji, Hanzo, Zenyatta, D.Va, Mercy, Symmetra, Zarya, Mei, etc.
>>334707318
WE MUST PUSH LITTLE CART!!!
>>334714428
If tf2 and Overwatch are aiming at the casual FPS market, then what is aiming at the hardcore FPS market?
>>334716868
I'm getting too old for this shit.
>>334717135
Unreal Tournament I guess?
>>334716868
It's a CLOSED beta.
If it was open beta, you'd get a lot more discussion. Wait 'till may and you'll see a lot more threads about the actual game.
>>334716550
>>334716392
20 tickrate is really alarming though. An apt comparison is like Bloodbornes 30 fps engine vs the same engine running at 60 fps for Dark Souls 3.
You can play it, but it'll feel shitty at first going lower.
human reaction time is 250 ms on average. if I have 20 tickrate, that's 50 ms window. Every 50 ms, the positions/ hits/everything gets updated and client side, the information is interpolated. Depending on how weapons work in overwatch, the hitreg can feel awful and not conducive to competitive play
>>334716929
Didn't a revered pro Scout player pickup Tracer and go 22-0 against the devs and other pros or something?
>class based
>long time to kill
>based on defending and attacking choke points
>based on group pushes and comps
>healers/supports are broken
>cheesy as fuck mobility
>objective based game modes
its more liketf2 than any other game
>>334717245
The answer you're looking for is CS.
>>334717291
There have been numerous threads leading up to DS3 release (just as an example) and they've been about every aspect from gameplay to lore. I've not seen a single Overwatch thread that hasn't been thinly veiled fapbait.
>>334717431
No it wasn't.
>>334717348
It's a good thing you made that comparison, because Bloodborne is almost universally loved, and DS3 is 50/50. It's almost like the FPS is a quality of life thing, and has little to no impact on how good the game is.
Again, go play the game, then talk.
>>334717431
>rng bullshit: the game
you know at least in competitive tf2 they remove weapons spread? The scatter gun shoots the same pattern every time. There is no random deviation on top of the spray pattern
>>334716491
And the ice chubbi gurl is literally the Pyro with ice. Even the secondary weapon works like the flare gun lol. And let's talk about that Dwarf that builds turrets like...oh, the Engi.
>>334713501
MvM is more fun than the average pub, faggot.
>>334717462
>DS
>Lore
lol. That's literally the equivalent. If the game hat tittymonsters, that's what they'd be talking about. The 'lore' in souls games is 99% people making shit up.
And you should look at the Overwatch general during the betas. You'll find a lot of discussion there. On /v/? Obviously you're gonna get stupid fap/troll/drama posts and little else.
Which, by the way, is just as true for any game that comes out. Like DS3.
>>334707318
>Doesn't play like TF2
I love both man, they play very similar honestly. It's not an indictment of Overwatch.
>Doesn't have asthetics like TF2
Both are arguably the most cartoonish shooters ever made for the mainstream market. I don't think TF2's 1950's asthetics and Overwatch's modern asthetics are that different.
>doesn't have movement options like TF2
Other than Rocket Jump I don't know what you are talking about here.
>Doesn't even aim for the same market
Most of the trailers are based on selling you on the characters quirks and playstyle, instead of the game as a whole. What game does that remind you of?
>>334717375
Probably.
Knowing how to properly flank and retreat is HUGE in overwatch. So if you take the same skills you pick up from scout and carry them over to overwatch, you'll stomp face.
Pharah is a lot like the TF2 solly, so that's a huge bonus too. Beta weekend confirmed again that overwatch will suck ass at launch because of idiots not knowing how to play. I didn't see a single pharah aiming for feet/walls next to people or leading shots. They'd aim directly at me, i'd move, they miss, repeat until I kill them.
>>334717708
>>334717778
I didn't know the Pyro build giant fucking walls people could climb on and had a massive aoe freezing attack.
>>334717861
Eric. Nice pool of voters.
>>334717862
>And you should look at the Overwatch general during the betas
Why should I look at an echo chamber? It provides no unbiased feedback whatsoever.
>>334717942
...You must've played some shitty, shitty Pharas. Almost all Pharas I saw shot for the feet and where I'd land.
It's basic shooter shit.
>>334707318
You're right, it doesn't play like TF2, the only similarities are payload game mode, team-based and first person shooter.
The core gameplay is more like a lane-less, itemless, creep-less first person MOBA. Strategy, team comp, ability synergy and hard counters trump skill.
>>334718056
Should I look in /v/ for DSIII threads? Because if I do, I guarantee 90% of them will be troll/meme threads calling the game shit, blunder of the century, etc etc.
Just because the game doesn't have tits in it doesn't mean it's not shitposted about all the same.
>>334716064
We will see if that's the case. Titanfall was supposed to be big remember? Look at it now, the game pretty much died after about a year. Evolve went down that same path
>>334707318
>doesn't play like tf2
Except that both are heavily class and team-based first-person shooters that feature very similar game types.
>doesn't have aesthetic like tf2
Except that both are very obviously inspired by pixar, especially when animated.
>doesn't have movement options like tf2
D.Va, Mei, Genji, Junkrat, Lucio, S.76, McCree, Tracer, Reaper, Widowmaker, Winston, Pharah, Reinhardt, Hanzo, and Mercy all say hi.
>doesn't even aim for the same market as tf2
Riiiiiiight...
>>334718056
>He thinks people discuss games on /v/
lol
>>334718217
Considering how defensive you are over this game I think its safe to say I can't trust your opinion on it either.
>>334718284
>Except that both are very obviously inspired by pixar, especially when animated.
0/10 made me reply
is there going to be another chane for us to play this for free?
I don't want to shell out $40 for a game I'll be bored with in less than a week
>>334718541
Open beta may 5-9
>>334707318
>97 replies
>one replies to OP
OP MUST SURELY BE A FAGGOT
>>334718669
fug
:ddd
>>334718429
That's why I told you to go play it instead of talking about it on /v/.
>>334718752
It's easier to hate on a game you've never played, than to actually play it.
>>334718752
I would, but Blizzard in their usual infinite wisdom decided it would be better to invite streamers and popular youtubers for their betas. Even though none of them actually bother to test the game. Karma's a bitch I guess since now they have to deal with the backlash fueled by several thousands of followers for these streamers.
The only chance I had to play it was at a friend's house. Which is the reason I called it mediocre because that's exactly what it felt like.
>>334718082
Yeah no shit they sucked. That's my whole point. A lot of the people who are coming in to overwatch have no fucking idea how to play a team based shooter.
Release will be hell on all of us solo players without a group.
>>334718092
>Strategy, team comp, ability synergy and hard counters trump skill.
Overwatch: the game for players that don't want to git gud
>>334719154
You're kinda right. I've been in OW beta since November and solo play is complete hell. You can drop 50 kills as Widowmaker and still lose because the players are complete trash and won't push the objective.
Matchmaking recently has been 90% steamrolls on either side and only 10% of games that are even remotely considered balanced.
Besides the players, the major problem with this game is that there are so many counters and combinations that it's impossible to balance and it's exacerbated by the fact there is no character limit. It would be one thing if abilites and ultimates weren't so monsterously overpowered.
>>334720818
Pretty much.
For example, Mercy is still broken even after getting nerfed. All you have to do is ult when your team mates are dead and you instantly win the team fight.
Have 100% accuracy as an offense character? Oh, that's too bad, they have a Zarya on their team, you wont do any fucking damage.
I mean, there's nothing really wrong about a strategical team-based FPS, just don't expect to carry teams on individual skill alone, the skill ceiling is too low, even on the characters that have higher floors.
>>334720843
It's a strange dichotomy. I think the take away is that the game is meant to be enjoyed casually, but you can expect blizzard to pump beaucoup bucks to make overwatch into a "competitive" fps regardless of the skills ceiling.
>>334716354
40 bucks*
>>334720843
I've never had a problem with countering. You just need one person on voice chat yelling at idiots and telling them what to do.
However new players don't understand the concept of hero switching or counters, so it's absolute hell when having to play with them.
>someone goes bastion on the enemy team
>you run around them
>rest of team constantly charges in to his LoS and gets facefucked
>they respawn
>repeat
>enemy team wins because your team is full of fucking retards
And then they get pissy in chat and tardpost on the forums about how the game sucks because they suck and the game should be balanced around their suck.
There was literally a forum post over the weekend where a dude said he refuses to preorder because he can't kill anyone and when he stands still to aim and shoot, he gets picked off and when he runs around he can't shoot.
>>334723064
Hitreg might actually be really shotty at higher pings
See
>>334717348
>>334712746
Fuck you MNC was way better than this. SMNC sucked huge balls though.
Shill please
it even has a mode called payload
>>334723358
Tickrate is a meme that people refuse to let die. Blizz has already talked about how the server tick isn't 20, it's 80+, as they said in the netcode video.
And yes, high ping sucks fucking ass in this game, as it does in every other fps. But the post i was referring to had no mention of it. It was literally a guy crying that overwatch required skill and he wouldn't order it because it didn't have a low skill requirement to play. He seriously would stop in his tracks when he saw an enemy, try and line up a shot on a guy moving around and jumping, and then die. So he won't preorder the game because everyone else is better than him and he doesn't know how to play.
>>334725431
And the post in question, for reference.
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20743054474
>>334725431
>Tickrate is a meme that people refuse to let die.
i remember when no one would even play minigame servers without 100+ tick
i remember playing different pubs in quake and ditching servers because the hitreg was ass
where have competitive reflex games gone /v/
why do people like this have to exist
why does everything i love die
i am so very sad
>>334725756
I'm saying the overwatch = 20 tick meme needs to die, not that tickrate in general is a meme.
>>334725967
damn i got on my sad soapbox for nothing.
>>334725967
On what grounds?
Because evidence for 20-tick is shakey or that reflex never really mattered much in overwatch? (certainly doesn't feel like quake 3 or an arena shooter at all)
>>334725967
idk scoob
https://imgur.com/a/Lkgci
>>334711184
>the only mech.
A majority of the characters breath air and jump, too. That makes it a rip off of Mario.
Try comparing gameplay over frivolous surface details next time, kid.
>>334726223
On the grounds of this video from the devs explaining how this shit works and the values. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTH2ZPgYujQ
>>334726678
if 17 minutes is too long, i'll sum it up.
Server tick = 62
client = 21
So basically if you're crying tickrate, it's on your side that's the issue.
>>334727081
huh? all the clients are sending packets at 21 though so it feels bad for everyone. It's just cheaper to do it this way, they didnt have to spend 15 minutes explaining delay
