The reason Legion probably will be awful? DPS and HP stats are shallow progression and gameplay.
>>334699463
It's looking to be better than WoD at least.
As long as garrisons stay the fuck out.
>>334700213
>As long as garrisons stay the fuck out
Too late for that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4HUCTJ16GA
Maybe garrisons would have nothing to do with professions. That's a nice idea.
>>334700863
Maybe professions will give reasons to be out in zones? IKR
>>334700683
Its not really there.
>>334699463
was the game ever not that? don't be delusional, vanilla was the same shit at its core, as was BC, etc.
at least as the game has progressed you're being presented with different incentives like mounts, pets, toys, and other collectibles.
>>334700683
they're not the same garrisons holy shit you people are dumb as fuck. yes there are boars and yes there are missions, but literally everything related to your character happens in the outside world. the game DOES NOT let you stay in your class hall AFK the whole day. you're just there for a max of 5 minutes picking up quests and then going out to complete them. out in the world you find even more quests that chain to those you picked up at the hall, and there are even class hall quests you pick up OUTSIDE OF THE CLASS HALL.
of course if you did anything other than parrot what you saw on /v/ or acted like le epic internet activist complaining about nost then you'd probably try to stay up to date with the legion changes rather than invent problems.
>>334703513
What a stupid blizzard fangay
name my WoW band
>>334703513
Bullshit they said SOME of the missions will send you out. For all we know that could be one out of every 100 or more for big picture things like the alt artifacts or storyline progression as they said. The fact of the matter is that we will still feel obligated to come back to the order hall every few hours or daily to cycle in followers for their little minigame because important content and free shit is still tied to it. The point isn't the ratio of quests to follower mission. Its the fact that its a terrible vehicle for providing content in the first place. Less micromanaging doesn't mean none, and any in that form is a travesty at this point.
>>334703710
Shit, because they don't top The Warlords
>>334703361
>appeal to tradition
>>334704006
Are you a retard
The expansion tells us WE ARE IN FACT THE WARLORDS OF DRAENOR, NOT THE ORCS.
>>334703884
Watch literally any alpha streamer do world quests and class hall campaigns, you will see how full of shit and unfounded, speculative assumptions you are. Every quest related to your character's personal power or development sends you out. Every single one. It obviously doesn't mean there aren't filler missions with shit you send out, but every single day there are quests that keep you out in the world rather than sitting around waiting. This is not only confirmed, it's empirically proven. Watch. Game. Content. Don't just sit around bitching about something you read a sentence about and then fumed over into a conspiratory rage.
A few days ago one of the blues posted on the subject comparing WoD and Legion tables, saying that in WoD it was considered content, whereas in Legion it's not substantial enough to be called content, even quantifying it as 3% of what you'll be doing in the game. Just please for the love of god read up on what you're going to talk shit about, I don't care if you still hate it after, just stop shitposting.
>>334704067
>making redundant statements and claiming them as exceptional
Is it just me who finds increases in lower numbers more satisfying?
5 to 10 feels like progress in comparison to 5000 to 10000
Dont like how bloated WoW has become number wise
>>334703513
Actually, it is more timewall bullshit, so it is literally the same as WoD garrisons with minor flavor changes.
>>334704006
stopped playing 3 months after warlords launched. how many people in this picture have been killed? I know bladefist, but who else?
>>334703513
So, repeat quests for rep or something?
Not sure farming for the .01% legendary drop rate is a fun idea.
>>334704157
>redundant statements
Nigga, calling out a game for redundancy isn't that.
It's called insight.
>>334704192
blackhand, nerzhul, killrog, and gul'dan dies in legion.
>>334704175
I enjoyed moving up from cata to mist. I wish they had kept it by 5, but whatever.
keeping it low meant previous raids still posed a challenge. when cata hit, you still had to group up to do ICC shit. with the jump from 90 to 100, I'm clearing early panda raids(solo) with ease.
>>334704157
Once again. I am saying that its a terrible, silly method of giving players content. Watch Heelvsbabyface or whatever's rant on the matter. Like I said I don't care what the ratio is. Why are we using this silly system to give quests instead of just putting more NPCs and quest drops out in the world that provide these quests?
>>334704314
>nerzhul is a bad guy
still hurts
>>334703884
WoD makes it obvious that the game should be compelling. That's what I'm getting from this post.
Is it the reward structure for the whole order hall? What would make it interesting? ..Deep?
>>334704192
>Kargath: Dead in raid.
>Blackhand: Dead in raid.
>Kilrogg: Dead in raid.
>Ner'zhul: Dead in dungeon.
>Grommash: After Blizzard scrapped half the story, he helps us defeat Archimonde and is a good guy now.
>Durotan: still alive
>Gul'dan: Archimonde blasted him into the Legion timeline where he will die in the first raid.
>>334704342
>the game has something like 200 item levels at 100
Something, 2 raid modes.
>>334704492
>Durotan: still alive
literally why?
>>334704314
>Gul'dan
Nope hes back for Legion.
>>334704614
That's what he said
He's in Legion
Then he dies
>>334704492
i wonder what the original story was gunna be before they scrapped it
>>334704614
he said that, anon
honest mistake, I know
>>334704383
>dropping around NPCs instead of making a community hub
What funky shit is this?
The fact that suggesting quests is still a thing about max level in such a linear game is almost humorous.
>>334699463
>The reason Legion probably will be awful?
It doesn't remove cataclysm and WoD
>>334704446
If they wanted to introduce quests through the Order Hall they should at least take a cue from the garrison inn and not the garrison table. Have NPCs or your own scouts come into the hall daily that ask for help or say they have discovered something of tremendous importance. You might think this is a trivial complaint compared to just finding the quests through follower scouting on the mission board, but its what makes it an RPG.
>>334704383
But quest drops out in the world IS how you progress in Legion. There's one class hall table quest that gives you a chance at gear, but you need an item you find outside while questing that is relatively rare and the reward is a low chance. The class halls are intended to be a secondary hub. You technically don't even need to visit them for anything other than upgrading your artifact because world quests exist. If you don't know what that is, it's multiple types of quests you engage in around the world that provide gear, reputation, artifact power, etc. They have you directly engaging with elites, rare elites, super elites, and whatever the fuck else. The world and character content is definitely changed for Legion.
>>334704196
you can't really farm it apparently. devs said you'll most likely find one while leveling, but farming more than one is impractical. they want you to encounter it while performing world content rather than farming a specific area. i dont know how they'll manage that.
also legendaries aren't going to be explicitly mandatory (despite how good they are). remember they'll be stat sticks with their on equip effects disabled in mythic raids for a few months.
>>334704668
>Community hub
Are you are delusional as Blizzard about these things? Nobody is going to sit around here and have discussions. Theres not going to be Horde/Alliance banter or debates over how to play builds. People are gonna teleport it, grab their quests/assign followers, and swoop on out or teleport back to idle in Dalaran.
>>334704719
you do have NPCs giving you quests like in the inn. there's faction emissaries that show up with several quests every day. they correspond to dungeons, outdoor content, pvp, crafting, etc. these quests have a 3 day expiration time and there's a new emissary every day.
>>334704841
>hub = roundtable discussion
>>334704719
It is trivial because the gameplay that comes from it is trivial. Nobody should give a shit about quests.. for a .01% drop rate of some linear, tiny upgrade.
>>334704725
I assure you I know what world quests are. I'm just not sure why these order hall quests aren't just molded into it. It almost feels like they are trying to justify the order halls existing in the first place once they realized people would just pop in to apply upgrades to their weapon then leave. World quests are a great direction (assuming they can make them relevant once you are raid geared still), but order halls now feel completely tacked on.
>>334704650
It seems like the original plan was for you to start seeing the Shadow Council fuck the Iron Horde up so bad that Grommash would have to side with us. Or maybe even we defeat Grom in a raid and he decides to help us.
But when you're doing the storyline quests the Iron Horde is fucking you over then all of the sudden when you enter the last raid you rescue Grommash and then just let him help you kill Archimonde.
>>334704964
>It is trivial because the gameplay that comes from it is trivial. Nobody should give a shit about quests.. for a .01% drop rate of some linear, tiny upgrade.
Just because you dont appreciate worldbuilding doesn't mean nobody else does. Plus if its all trivial why even have them at all in any form at max level?
>>334704997
they are molded into it, that's what i'm trying to get at. you can pick up quests outside or in the order hall, different quests, naturally, but quests that feed into one another with an emphasis on being outside. i agree order halls feel a little contrived, there could be other methods, but it's definitely not the same system as garrisons, not even close. and that's because the way the game will relate you to the outside is different too. you can't play the game from your class hall.
>>334705074
>worldbuilding
How is that relevant to a hub giving a few quests for content? It's not as if zones are going to be captured that cut off the supply of gems or whatever.
>if it's all trivial why even have them at all
Why have shitty quest/rep grinds? Fantastic question.
>>334705149
You can't, but I am getting that concerned feeling that over the course of the expansion they are going to provide continual incentives to return to the order hall and I don't want to fall into that routine that I followed with garrisons where I feel obligated to check up on it every few hours of the day in case I miss something.
>>334703710
> Corrupted
> Missing
> Dead
> Cucked
I haven't played since Cata, some one said that the new expansion will have diablo like items, what does that mean? Are there going to be more drops in the world, or are items going to be gameplay changing?
Do we need a million fucking threads on this turd?
>Game is harder than ever (at least in the high end raiding)
>There's more content than ever
>/v/ shits on it
Kek
>>334707363
TRIFLING GNOME
YOUR ARROGANCE SHALL BE YOUR UNDOING
>956k at level 107 on an Unholy DK
Holy shit, tanks are going to reach 2 million at the end of Legion
>>334707623
bear tanks have like 7 million hp currently while all others have 1.9-2.5m, obviously going to be nerfed
>>334707783
inb4 'we can't block, this makes up for it'
>>334700683
FUCK
And to think I actually considered trying Legion out
How the fuck can devs be this vain and insolent?
They are literally unable to accept that their design is just awful and that it's exactly what is causing the game to fail.
So it's not only
>You think you do, but you don't
but also
>You think you don't but you do
Absolute fucking retards
>>334705327
There's no fucking buildings producing shit like garrisons, I've no idea why you'd want to do that with order halls
>>334707363
>>334707783
>No stat squish
How braindead are these fuckers?
How is it possible to feel good about doing damage at this point?
>>334707857
I think bears should definitely have more HP than other tanks, it makes sense because they're bears.
>>334708047
>Taking a placeholder seriously
>>334708574
>>334708652
Yeah ok we've all seen that image before but I don't think Blizzard is dumb enough to repeat the worst mistake of the last expansion
>>334708780
Considering what they've done so far - yes.
>>334708780
>I don't think Blizzard is dumb enough
>>334708873
>>334708917
You honestly believe a company with this level of financial success is going to make the same mistake that lost them a massive amount of revenue last expansion twice?
Don't just say
>Blizzard
as you response.
Post yfw Blizzard biblical levels of hubris put them out of business
>>334700683
>people get this mad over something you do maybe once a day and then get on with your business
I don't get it
>>334709036
We're talking about the company that thinks making an entire expansion around panda's is a good idea and has things like Thrall jesus
>>334709161
It was more of a forced to do thing and then they brought the shipyard in which just added to it.
>>334704725
Basically they completely kicked skill and dedication to the curb in favor of everything being a slot machine of loot
>>334709036
>Blizzard
as you response.
>>334709306
>forced to do
But you're not. How are you even remotely forced to do it, beyond the tutorial quest right at the start?
Ded
>>334709239
I really liked Pandaria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g-wBrU9keE
>>334709036
You mean like how they did that after Cata? And then MoP?
>Pandaland was meh
>Warlord was garbage
>Legion is going to suck even more
I just want to have fun again
>>334709418
If you want to get the weekly gear related stuff which was quite integral to your item level progression you definitely needed to do it.
You also need to do it for the legendary questline.
Both of those are pretty important things for most players.
>>334709489
>Pandaria
>A fucking troll island with dinosaurs
What you mean is you like that patch that made world pvp happen for probably the first time since you picked up the game
>>334709489
Regardless of Pandaria's actual quality it was the expansion that thoroughly disinterested the most addiction riddled gaming community on the planet.
No amount of quality can trump that.
>>334709635
>You also need to do it for the legendary questline.
Unless they shove it in after you do the heroic dungeons parts of the quest line I have seen this.
>>334708260
>>334707857
>be blood DK
>Not only get hit hard, heal like shit and can't survive dogshit but also have shit HP
>>334709915
Have DKs been nerfed or something? Because last I checked they're one of the better tanks in WoD
Better than fucking warriors
>>334709793
Not only was it used to gather the components for the Highmaul and Blackrock Foundry segments faster but it also had a shipyard related quest.
This quest is MANDATORY. You must use the shipyard to complete around five difficult missions with your ships.
>>334710161
Well, fair enough.
Thankfully Legion won't have that
>>334710078
Warriors where utter fucking dogshit, DKs were OK but in legion they're getting nerfed to utter crap.
Only reason to bring a DK to a raid is "lol gorefiends lol"
>>334709717
I picked up the game in 2005 m8
>>334710221
>Thankfully Legion won't have that
Yes it will lol.
>>334710245
Are warriors better in Legion? Because tanking in WoD is making me hate my poor warrior
>>334710331
Nothing to do with your artifact will be gated behind order hall missions
>>334710361
No idea senpai.
IIRC paladins are droods where still OP, DH will be OP as always and monk shit. That I can confirm.
>>334709725
I sort of doubt that. I know it wasn't traditional in lore sense but goddamn Cataclyms was infinitely worse
Just look at Dragon Soul. What a fucking mess
>>334710432
Yes it is
Infact you need to do Order Hall Missions to get offspec artifacts, which is mandatory for raiding for pure DPS classes at the very least
